Think A One Ton Truck Is Big Enough? What Are The Differences And Why You Might Want A 550 or 5500?
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- We built our overland truck camper on a singled-out flatbed Ram 5500 because a one-ton truck just wasn't big enough. In this video, we take a deeper look at our Ram 5500 truck and share the differences you will find between the two truck types.
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You guys really landed into a find with this truck. Hoping to see more vids soon
There is a reason we use the word "payload," and not "weight carrying capacity."
Lord I felt like I was being taught by a third grade teacher
Talking more about the drivetrain modifications and numbers seems to scare away some of the dumber audience, so I guess he opted against that.
@@jamesellsworth240 What a stupid comment.
Bad ass!!!! I'm feeling so inferior in my tinewennie Ram 3500!
The truck should be able to handle the off-road, but can the slid-in camper handle it?
now youve gone and ruined my plans for buying a 5500 manual to do this kind of setup for it. I fear after this video and the ones to follow they will be even harder to find now. lol
Just ordered a one ton dually for my new Northern Lite 10.2 . Never even thought about the flat bed idea but sure seems smart for all of the extra storage for full time living! Great episode!
Is Dodge affected by the chip shortage?Wife and I are looking into the exact setup as you. When considering the flatbed, it might put you over GVW which is exactly why Morton decided to upgrade to this Dodge 5500. With so much economic uncertainty taking place, we’re thinking waiting it out for awhile to see if Americans are done maxing out they’er credit before we make a big purchase. If its fun, or housing related, its way over valued.
@@garbinator09 all new vehicles, cell phones, TV, basically everything new takes those chips so yes. Sure you could find one if you travel. That's why used vechles market is crazy right now. With the current administration it will not get better only worse.
@@mrrod3004 - Just spent an hour on Carvauna searching for GMC used 2500’s even 3500’s. All a No-Go or sale pending. “The buying Pandemic”
Absolutely love the new rig... The wife an I have been talking about going this direction for a year or so now, so we're excited to see more of the truck & camper.
Just found this channel, looks like the TH-cam algorithm is working. Love the video quality and enjoy the content.
This looks like a more "off the shelf" version of the Everlanders rig. I will be interested to watch you both for similarities and differences. Cheers from Canada!
Awesome rig, jealous! Thanks for the info! 👍
Ok so I am officially jealous, and fyi I dig this kind of content big time.
Yep when MPT81 tires get old and the lugs start cracking they wear fast. Only thing is we pay $420 For Mpt tires and $800 for G275 tires.
I have been looking forward to this new series since I saw you promoting it!
Damn 17mpg. My fucking Tacoma I had was less than that and that was just a toy truck.
Alaska! Here we come again!? With this rig, you would probably get see more of the great outdoors.....can hardly wait for your upcoming adventures.
Thanks for all the information. Makes total sense why you went with this truck. I’m looking forward to seeing the inside of the camper.
Yah for a truck camper, can't wait to see your travels in the lower 48.
Is there a major reason you didn’t get a Lance TC after taking one to Alaska?
Lance makes a good quality product but a bigfoot is a very different beast. Molded fiberglass is one of the most durable and long lasting ways to build an rv. Oh and probably because they make a large slideless camper with a dry bath and really good space utilization.
That sums it up pretty well, it was just the right camper for this build and out budget.
Thanks, for both replies. As a Lance travel trailer owner that pulled our rig to Alaska on our sixth RV trip in 2018 I was just wondering. We enjoy all your videos especially the ones on your Alaska Trip. We are thinking about a 2022 return trip if Canada is open.
Very thorough information comparing the two trucks! Thank you!
Just debadge the truck. It looks great and you don’t have to worry about them looking at it as a 5500. I noticed that when I debadged I got a little less hassle with my srw
And put one of those "hybrid synergy drive" emblems on the side like the priuses have so you can virtue signal about it being a "hybrid" just like all the other hybrids rolling down the road hahahaha
If your going off-roading with that camper shell? You better bring a pole saw. I barely clear with a FWC camper often.
I wish people would please STOP confusing medium duty trucks and Commercial vehicles. 'Medium Duty' is just a weight class. 'Commercial' means you use it to generate taxable revenue. Very small cars are often used as 'Commercial' vehicles by Taxi services, and 1/2 ton pickups can be 'military' vehicles. Full sized buses and Heavy duty Semi trucks are used as 'Recitational Vehicles'. Please stop confusing 'Weight Class' and 'Commercial' use. They are totally separate classifications. I have a 5500, and it is registered and insured as a Private vehicle, as I use it to tow my RV.
You do have a good point, but I could not find private insurance that would cover the truck... I get what you are saying but in the many states eyes this is a "commercial" vehicle. Yes we could get it registered as an RV but it would have been messy.... This according to Florida and my insurance it's still a commercial truck. Twice we had to pay high tolls because it was a "commercial vehicle"...even tho we told them it was private. Seems pretty stupid because there are 50k lbs RVs running around that don't have to do that BS.
@Peter Straub
Was 'Recitational Vehicles' a typo/misspelling? Did you mean "Recreational Vehicles"?
@@cacatr4495 LOL. I suppose some drivers may recite aloud entire plays as they I drive. I imagine its mostly Shakespeare and modern Broadway productions. But indeed, "Recreational" is what I intended.
I think that depends on the state. California is very aggressive about… well… everything, especially where they can get extra revenue.
You might be able to register it as personal, but if you have so much as a chunk of 2x4 in the back you’ll find yourself in trouble for illegal commercial activity.
So sick you got a manual! Nobody ever goes that route. Also really awesome that the truck is already deleted, tuned, and upgraded.
What year is this truck Mr. Morton? I think you've just shifted my interest as far as building platform for a full time RV. Love the channel!
It is a 2011. Info was on their website in one of their posts about where they have been.
Yes, the truck is a 2011. mortonsonthemove.com/morton-update-july-2021/
Great Vid Content , I can completely identify because i have one = 2018 Ram 5500 6 sp man 4.88 stock gears & motor , duel 220 amp alternator . Super single Hutchison bead lock wheels . "I extended my front AEV flares another 4" , easy to do , i think i have a vid ( they are very rookie vids ) Your Mod's are whats providing you with the great miles per gal. You have a beast of a truck and very lucky to have gotten it with a 6sp. , they are extinct . In 4 low 1st gear , it becomes a tractor ! " Alpha Truck House / Wild & Free ... ~peace~
Great video! Awesome rig! Well explained and easy to follow. I followed your other series travelling North, and can’t wait to see where you get to in this rig, and the modifications you make to it. It wouldn’t work for me, with two small kids, but I can always live vicariously through you.
Thank you!
The 2021 Ram 5500 cab and chassis has a recall for a rod going through the block problem. It’s a software issue, the engine runs a lower oil pressure at startup to speed up warm up. This resulted in burning up the rod bearings. Yes crazy but true. The good news is they can just reflash the truck, bad news is you don’t know what damage has already been done.
I have a RAM 5500 CA84 with a Knapheide flatbed and a Eagle Cap 1165 camper. The problem with flatbeds is they are designed for downward pressure and not upward. I talked with Knapheide and several other flatbed manufactures about the best way to tie down a 6000 pound camper and they all said that they don't recommend tying the camper to the flatbed because in rare conditions you can have a large upward force on the flatbed. My solution was to used an 8ft H-Beam and two 24 inch u-bolts that go around the frame and tie to the H-Beam which is on the top of the flatbed. I then put very large D-Rings on the H-Beam to tie down the front of the camper. For the rear I used a square steel tube the same size as a TorkLift tiedown and tied that into the rear hitch setup. That way I can use my TorkLift tiedown inserts for the rear of the camper. In the future I plan to weld together a setup I can bolt to the frame that will sit under the flatbed. Since I have an 11ft bed you still need something on the bed to keep the camper from sliding forward in a sudden stop. The H-Beam is currently doing that and I figure something out when I modify the setup in the future. With an 11ft bed I have room in the front for a Honda 3000i generator and another fuel tank.
Pete, I found your post above informative. Could you advise how wide your flatbed is? I have an 11' flatbed as well mounted on a F350 dually and want to put a truck camper on, but its 8 wide' (i.e., 96") and I'm curious what others are running. Thanks.
@@ShawnHedges I believe it's 8ft wide. I have my camper on the bed plus two 6 foot boxes under the wings. My camper is 102 inches wide.
@@petehaidinyak9084 - Thank you.
Great looking ride, safe travels
You lost interior space by not getting a flatbed model camper. Like that it’s a manual. Figure you bought it used, what year is it? Does it have/had emissions stuff.
There are not a lot of flatbed choices out there unless you buy the flatbed that the flatbed camper manufacturer sells. At the end the day cost wise you're looking at orders of magnitude more expensive. So what do you do? You put tool boxes on the fender cutouts and use the space effectively.
You can see the EGR has a block off plate so some of the emissions have already been removed if not all.
@@defekticon I'll note that you do not have the buy the flatbed that the flatbed manufactures use. A flatbed camper can go on any flatbed that is rated for the weight. It may just need modifications to account for the type of tie downs that the specific flatbed camper manufacturer uses. Have not run into a flatbed camper manufacturer that won't sell only the camper; they don't force to you to also buy their flatbed.
@@MrChadx1 I've spent a lot of time researching this. The problem you run into with that approach is that the deck height of the flatbed is incorrect to fit the cab over portion of the camper. Generally speaking commercial flatbeds that are not designed for flatbeds have headache racks, and the purpose built ones do not. That's generally where the fitment issues come in. Either the camper will really high up, or won't clear the cab. So it's not just a weight problem.
@@defekticon That makes sense. I interpreted your previous comment as the manufacturers wouldn't sell you the flatbed camper if you had another manufactures flatbed and now understand you were just talking from a clearance and fitment perspective. Good clarification.
I agree the commercial flatbeds can throw a wrench in the works on fitment. From my perspective, I was thinking more from sourcing a flatbed from one manufacturer that you prefer (like sherptek) and using it with a flatbed camper from a different company that also sells a flatbed from a different manufacturer (like FWC) or builds their own flatbed (like Overland Explorer Vehicles). That would be if one was sourcing the flatbed yourself vs using a commercial setup. In any case, like you say, it will take some calculations to ensure fitment is acceptable.
I saw this truck for sale months ago on expediton portal. If I could have imported it to Canada I would have bought it instantly. You got a hell of a deal.
This is a fine example of what a very good commentator acts and sounds like likes.
I avoid driving off road or in mud with my 4th gen Ram 3500. I would not want to get stuck in the mud or break suspension off road with a rig so heavy...
Talking about a 1 ton+ truck as an overlanding truck is uncanny to me...
Big rigs you can shift many gears without using the clutch, but I don't know about the 5500. It would be good if you can.
Edit: Not recommended to shift without the clutch on these transmissions, as it will destroy the synchros.
Most synchronized can be shifted without the clutch,at the right rpm.
My ram has the same transmission as this truck, a G56. It shifts smoothly without the clutch in 1st-4th, but oftentimes going into 5th it will grind the synchros a bit so I dont do clutch less shifting in that gear.
Adding to the comments about the commercial aspect of the truck, check jurisdictions before you enter, as they may require a commercial driver’s licence, or CDL, and you might also be required to run a log book as well. This could prove to be a very expensive lesson roadside (as in stopped by the local law enforcement types).
Kicking around ram5500 with buckstop and liquid spring buildout for overland rig. Super cool setup u found
Great video and nice rig. What did the engine and drive train modifications cost? Are they within reach of an average owner?
Don't leave your winch line hanging down like that. It might get caught on something while your off road.
Insofar as "commercial insurance", are you not making your "living" with your travels, and therefore, your vehicle(s), 5th Wheel and truck camper are business related assets, so going commercial/business insurance seems to be not only required because of the truck, but also advantageous for MotM... Cheers from the Nearly North, hard by Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada!
I think insurance is playing you. Do you haul stuff for money? Then you are not commercial, make sure you have a not for hire decal on it. Do you have a CDL? Do a little more digging on this and it could save you some money and hassle.
So you build a “somewhat” less expensive Dodge version of an “Earthroamer” ? Cool!
Lol a budgetroamer!
:)
Somewhat??! When an ER goes for over half a mil, I’d say they did for way less than half! Great build!
Hey Tom, great adventures and new truck! Sorry if I missed it, but what is the CA length of your truck? Do you or any of your followers know who makes front and rear lockers for the 5500? Thanks very much! Safe travels!!
Thank so much. The best presentation I have ever seen here. Kind regards from Fance. Patrick
Man you got lucky on that one.. Manual.. you got the best of it all there.. Cared for this monster will out last you both...
As a guy who is heavily into trucks for work and overlanding and owns two 5500’s one for work and one for play this video was a little… different lol a little hard to watch lol I’m not going to pick it apart but hey everyone starts somewhere lol
Looking forward to seeing your future modifications!
With a flatbed, be careful and check with states you will be traveling in you may have to stop at all truck weigh stations. CA is one of those states, that requires any truck with any thing other than a regular truck bed to stop at weigh stations.
Thanks for the tip!
I tend to go smaller and lighter, easier to get in and out of hard to reach places.
More stuff, more weight, more complexity, more problems.
But I guess it really depends on your life style.
Dude you could haul 4 of those dumb campers with that truck, the other truck is MORE than enough to haul that camper !!
$$$$$$$$$$ average middle income cant afford a so called truck ,house payment, carpayment,and price of fuel at 4.50 a gallon not including def additive and price of tires at 300.dollars if you blow one off road better have $$$$$$$ too pay for road call
An emission delete would give you 35 to 40% more power and around 16 to 18mpg hauling. And 25+ unloaded. A 5500 is overkill for what you nneed. A few upgrades would have had you're older 6.7 out performing that 5500 and saved a ton. All you have is a tad sturdier frame. You could have upgraded gears in the older truck and saved tons and had the same thing..
…….but they didn’t want to, it’s their choice, so the would’ve, could’ve, should’ve you’re talking about does not matter. And overkill for what they “need”, how do you know what they “need”??? You do you bro😎👍
@@Roninforged cause I do the same thing dumbarse
@@Roninforged he spent probably 50k$ or more for 5k more capable pulling.. that engine is actually less hp it has a higher torq curve. Get educated m8. Hd could have swapped gears and tune and had the same truck for far much less.
@@mrrod3004 He wanted the axles and heavier suspension as much as towing ability. And I lead you back to my original point…..IT’S THEIR RIG, and it was really cool that they shared THEIR dream rig with us. Funny how internet commando’s get butt hurt when something is pointed out to them highlighting a different view point…..then the juvenile name calling starts😂🤣😜 Again brother, you do you, and just enjoy that in this community, we like to share our rigs with the masses. Be well….
Bullshit. Only way you're getting those mpg numbers is if you are going 50-55 mph on flat ground. I've driven 50k miles with my 3500 ram g56 deleted with my TC and 20k without. Never have I ever seen 25mpg. Best I ever saw was 23.5 doing 60mph in very special circumstances over 250 miles.
Best I ever saw with the TC was 16 for a couple hundred miles going 55. 70 mph average 13-14 in ideal conditions.
No need to lie about mpg numbers. I dont get why people think it's a thing worth lying over.
My 2016 Tundra gets 16 mpg highway and 12.5 city. That tells you how bad Toyota trucks are on gas. LOL
Very thorough video, thank you for all the info. You really thought this whole thing out in advance and picked the perfect rig for this type of setup. I did feel like the 1172 was a bit too big on that Ford you guys had before. Smart moves for sure!
Thanks! We were maxing out the Ford, but with this RAM 5500, we have a lot more wiggle room with payload.
Love the truck, what was the reason someone on Kodiak Island sold with ALL those beautiful upgrades..?
Just picked up our 22 5500 4x4
Congratulations, hope you are having a wonderful time!
Love the truck and the idea. However this truck is still highly modified. I though the idea of getting a 4500/5000 is that it's all ready to go, no need to modify to carry the weight of a large truck camper and supplies. If I have to modify the 4500/5500, might as well just modify my 3500 and save money no?
A new 3500 is about the same money as a new 4500/5500, the big expense is in the super single conversion and flat bed.
I mean I got a 1976 gmc camper special and it can hold about 8,200 pounds and it’s a 3/4 ton truck so yea
Ok..... just keep in mind, it is NOT overland vehicle. It is Perfect for North America.
I think I would extend the bed to the end of camper and that way the weight of all the camper would be supported by bed and it looks king of funny with it just hanging off the back and that’s just me .
You can get all the gears as you 1 ton. I have 337 that all around gear better fuel mileage and tuts 2000 rpm for 70 mph and with 310’s you better have taller tires to get your fuel mileage.
You got my dream truck there!!
Dude I’m in Alaska and almost bought and really wanted to buy that truck off marketplace glad to see it went to a good home though.
That’s a nice truck
It’s got all the goodies under that engine and much needed (Parts) fall off that’s not needed! Ha! #letthatcumminsbreathe!!
Nice video. Payload is very important. Maximum payload rating RAM5500 is 11,140 pounds and Ford F-550 is 12,750 pounds. Why you preferred the RAM 5500?
He said he likes the Cummins engine. 🙂
We're all ready for the new adventures!!! 👍
Cool rig. Thanks for detailed description
If you are talking Expedition Vehicles you get in Australia. A 1 ton is NOT enough
Great video and awesome platform. Can't wait to see the rest of the videos on the build-out and trips. This is basically the same thing I've been looking to build (but Ford and NorthernLite) in a few years.
Thanks!
Do you have to run commercial insurance?
If so roughly what does that set you back a month?
Those tie downs with hook ends look a little wimpy. I would feel more comfortable with something a little more heavy duty.
Lol I thought the same thing, might upgrade them
How do you as young couple afford to do this! You are elec engineer but what jobs do or did you and wife have?!
They don't call manual transmission millenial anti theft device for nothing lollol
Thank God I own a 2019 3500 Ram High output dually..
why is it many of the overland trucks are rams 2500 plus more than other brand
Sorry but I have to ask, how big a bank do I have to rob to afford one of these 5500 Rams ?
Hope you have a wench to lift out and replace a blown tire.. you will never lift that one ... by hand !
Is it porcupine proof though?
Great question! lol! :)
Wow, manual transmission, you don’t see that everyday.
Last of its breed.
Dodge offered the G56 manual trans with the Cummins until 2018. They are hard to come by towards the end of the production run. Just as hard to find in the 5500 as well.
Got like 200 k in trucks and campers, get a good cabin and land for less!
all that and he didnt even invite you in to see the inside of the camper.....lol
Next video is the camper tour!
Awesome!!
If you do not mind me asking what did you pay for the truck and what was the year and mileage
Love the new truck. Hope to see you both on the road.
Thanks Curtis! Same here :)
Tom, I noticed you are running synthetic winch line with a cable fairlead. As an off-road guy with plenty of winch pulls, I would strongly recommend either switching to wire rope (cable) or switching your fairlead from a roller model (designed for wire rope) to a hawse type fairlead.
I won't get into the endless debate over synthetic versus wire rope :) but I will say you run the risk of your current fairlead shredding your synthetic line, which could then fail under load.
Overall, an awesome rig, and I totally understand why you elected to go with a heavier-duty platform for this particular application. Happy travels!
Thank you for the tip!
Wish they had a tire option that size that wasn't $1,200 / tire :(
On an F-350 you can swap axles from a 450 or 550 Pickup (Not cab/chassis - but models that came with a regular dually bed). Solid axle swaps are all bolt on, no welding or cutting required. Dunno about the dodge or chevy stuff. One of the reasons I love the ford, they kept the trucks very similar between truck series. Kinda of the best of both worlds. Power rating of the Light duty, axles from an MDT.
Or just get the F450 pickup version off the bat.
Built engine, built transmision, upgrade suspension, military tires, this stuff screams big dollar
It doesn't have to be! You can also get from GovPlanet auctions ex-military 2.5 tonne trucks or even a 5-tonne truck that will ALSO work for off-road/boondocking/overlanding purposes. Those can be had for as low as $30,000 USD and have low miles needing just some suspension parts replacements and new tires which will run you about $10,000 USD.
If you have some welding/construction skills, you can build it out FULLY LOADED with some used/surplus camper-top gear for another $10,000 to $20,000 USD so up to $60,000 USD fully loaded with everything you want for long-term offroad living!
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Yes everything about this truck has been expensive... Compared to an earthroamer however this thing is cheap! It's out budgetroamer.
What do you think of adding Sherptek sides to the truck?
Sherptek sides (storage boxes). Is just a design concept to work with CM beds. Gets rid of all the design hassle. Otherwise you can get whatever boxes that fit.
All seems like major overkill for something that will sink off-road
nice setup. Have been planning a RAM 5500 design with an Overland Explorer truck camper using their tray but realized the truck modifications would be better for me to have done by an Overland Explorer dealer in Colorado whom also has an off road truck modification business.
Shuttle bus is the way to go my guy. $100000 for a setup like this is just crazy talk for an emissions controlled nonsense piece of junk.
@@thomasbarlow4223 careful. Talk like this on youtube will have the EPA trying to figure how to send you a six figure dollar emissions violation pentalty fine. haha
@@lrobie123 Yes except for you have to remember a 2001 7.3 comes factory with no emissions control systems it doesn't even have a catalytic converter. Fuck the EPA
What website(s) did you use to find and purchase the truck?
Looked into doing this with a Kodiak. Dealer said, Parts are more expensive and they are only really better if you're using them commercially. Otherwise, it doesn't work out. A 1 ton is better and easier to get parts for.
For sure they are easier to get parts for, this truck has been expensive all around. I still cant get the weights I want with a one ton tho.
How many miles were on the truck when you guys got it?
How do u manage your finance, since you are on the way for 6 years now.?
You can place an automatic transmission in the truck (Allison)
Guess if you can afford that you can afford $6 a gallon diesel
Hi how much did that truck cost you? Thanks! 😊😊😊
How more insurance do you pay or do you care when you make stupid money
How much did you have to pay to buy your new truck?👍
Great job explaining how, what and why you built this!
Awesome truck. What flatbed is on that?
the term you're looking for is PAY LOAD
Im looking for an f550 7.3 powerstroke crew cab 4x4 if anybody is selling!!
You might find the resources in this article helpful for your search: www.mortonsonthemove.com/used-overland-vehicles-for-sale/