How to Install Starter Shingles
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- On today’s video of how to shingle a roof, we will be going over the installation of starter shingles along eaves and rakes.
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Full Tar Adhesion sounds like a metal band.
Great video!👍🏼
First time shingling...this series extremely helpful. You explained how to and why without talking down to us, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
@YourAverageRoofer hey dylon,I was wondering for places where high wind is a factor. Is there any other addition steps you have to do so the first layer of shingles don't blow off..or is a starter strip good enough..?
Nice video! I have roofed my share of farm buildings but it's infrequent and I tend to forget how to roof in the in-between times. This was a great refresher! Thanks for putting this out there!
Same. It's only every decade or so I actually roof lol
Love your camera angles and instruction. Keep up the good work brother 😊
Thanks, will do! (y) More content coming soon!
I've never roofed anything but shouldn't you run your razor blade somewhere besides on top of the felt paper ? ? ?
On the Gable end the starter strip should probably be on Top of the lower one because of the path of water
Interesting..hmm..as it flows it should go..well I guess 905 is Ontario, Canada! it's probably a base that is covered which doesn't matter..I take the 3 tab shingles en just cut umm! but who says ya can't get out a caulk gun with a roofing tar tube in it! (shouldn't HAVE to I guess!)..and did he build that roof to MovieSet this Presentation!
I don’t think that matters as much as the paper and flashing underneath it. I believe you’re just as like;y to have wind-driven water moving in at this location. If water happens to drain down under the shingle above the starter strip AND under the starter strip (you probably have other issues to deal with), the paper and flashing are still going to drain water off the roof.
@youraverageroofer great video very helpful, the only tip i have for improvement is on your starter strips on the corners put the bottom starter then gable one over the top so just flipped from how you did it. Water runs downhill. Really great video though!
I'm 60 years old and looking to re-shingle my farm house to save on labout costs. Never don it before. This video was awesome! I don't think there's anything 'average' about your quality of work. Well done!
I'm in the same boat as you. Too bad we don't live close by so we can help each other. Mine came in a 32K to remove a layer of cedar and asphalt on a 1700 sq ft home that is 4/12 pitch with a long ranch roof with no alcoves or anything. I just turned 70!
Please stop making videos showing people the wrong way to do roofing. Our at least let them know that this is what NOT to do. Drip edge NOT supposed to be tight against your fascia board. It's recommended to be 1/2" away from to the process of water cohesion won't suck water up behind the drip edge. Ice and water dam should ALWAYS be used along the bottom, the rake edges and valleys and is highly suggested to be used on the peak. No one that actually knows what their doing uses tar paper anymore, they use synthetic. Starter strip is also supposed to extend 1/2 inch over the edge to help with cohesion. And finally, 45° cut the corners of your starter strip so you don't have the overlap build up. You said not to use shingles for the very same reason then did it with the starter. And if you do overlap the starter do the bottom edge first before the gable end. You should ALWAYS overlap whatever is higher on the roof.
The best way to start the starter shingles along the corners at the rake and eave is to 45 degree cut both starter strips. Then they both are flush with each other. There both flat on the roof and the tar strip will contact itself to both shingles firmly.
Just slap it on as fast as humanly possible, get paid. Warranty void first rain fall. Bigtiiiiime!
Great video series! I couldn’t have reroofed my old shed by myself without this awesome video series with so many detailed tips.
Shouldn't the gable starter overlap the eve starter?
Good vid. Very well explained. And you explained why you DONT do things. Such as not lining up the shingle and starter lines.
Andrew Bortolini I always try to explain why not to do certain things and the consequences of doing so, just helps with understanding from a students point of view.
Of course you always start your starter with a half so it wont fall even with the finish shingle
@@Average_Roofer can i spread turbo polyseal over the nails to stop leaks
Wouldn't it make more sense to reverse the lap at 4:56? Seems like it would be better for water run-off.
That's correct and you are supposed to overlap the gable sides 3" at every joint.
@@rickyhinton5726 you’re a roofer? I’m a newb but this makes since. Don’t think I’ve seen a TH-cam er do what you’re saying unfortunately
I just noticed he gave us the bird at 2:15. I'm just starting this part on my shed. Very good video.
i like how you point out some of the common mistakes like joints lining up and the leaks that can cause along with nail spacing. a screwed up my first room simply because i didn't know nails should be 4-5" from a joint and really no less than 3. water creeps towards the nails when they are right next to joint lines and 5 years later you have the drips and nails that look like they were submerged in salt water
Thanks for the video. I have to put a roof on my shed tomorrow and this helps a lot. Little nervous about getting on the roof though.
You guys are lucky , in central FL we need to nail dripedge every 4 inches and put tar on it all around , difference is we don't put starter going up, it's way faster that way
You have the best videos! You tell and show without all the extra talk some youtubers do. Thanks
The intro music doesn't help. Thanks for the info on the starter strips, and installation procedures. Great technique; thanks for going to the trouble to build a model roof structure to use to demonstrate proper roofing practices.
No shit the intro music doesn’t teach u anything...
You really nailed this tutorial! I do a couple of small roof repairs a year. Laying the tar strips together makes total sense, something I wouldn't have thought of. Thanks! 👍🏻
Seems to me if you did your first eve starter strip as suggested .... that if something happened somewhere between the eve and peak ... water would run down and have a path to "UNDER" the shingle? NO?
Why not run the eve piece first and the gable piece on top?
This was a good question I wish was answered
@@alexw4225 I'll answer it... The starter shingle is only a waterproofing element at the butt ends of the regular shingles along the eave edge. The UNDERLAYMENT is the waterproofing under the starter shingle and that's where the water will end up anyway so that 5" strip of starter bucking water is inconsequential
Hello, when adding another starter shingle. Do they overlap or go up against one another?
No overlap. Just butt in tight.
Thanks again Dylan. This video and your "How to properly start shingle courses" helped me today with our new garden shed
As you work up the gable end, is it good to overlap the starters on the way up?
No , we simply butt it up to the previous piece
You cover all the basics. Glad to see you know your stuff.
Awesome, I mean average video. Stay average >>>
Yes very helpful thank you. Can you or have you made a episode with shingling in valleys? Thanks again time to smash the like button
Thanks for this bud, I’m helping a friend roof a small shed tomorrow and I couldn’t remember if you put the nails in tar strip or not.
Good job Dilly
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The problem I see with this video is when you were talking about the bump you over laped your corners so there's gunna be a even bigger bump there. And you didn't over lap the corresponding starters on the eves or rakes so I dont see why you have to over lap the corners. And I'm pretty sure bdr uses normal shingles 4 the starters
wouldnt it make more sense to overlap the eve starter over the other one? in case water gets behind your shingles, it wont run behind your starter
I was wondering as well, and will follow the manufacture's instructions, th-cam.com/video/nzaIKlaxD78/w-d-xo.html.
If water gets in under there, then you have other issues.
@@michaelh7527 that's not the point. You need every 2nd chance protection you can get.
@@blinxtheredone6844 properly installed shingles alone will keep all the rain out.
@Ricky Robyn i’m not sure how he could trim it where he would retain the adhesion strip and fix the overlap issue… it seems more to me that the rake(side) starter strip should go over the eve(bottom) starter strip
Your vids are so much more professional than the bdr
Thanks for the knowledge just livein it up a bit bud, you sound like a robot.
Noted. Thank you! 🙏🏼
It may of shown on the video but do you go over the peak as well with the starter? Thanks for the videos
You can, but you can also cut it right at the ridge line. Both ways are fine !
Getting ready to do roofing on my shed and your video was very helpful! I Hulk smashed that like button!
Thien Nguyen Thank you! If you need any help or advice feel free to DM me on Instagram @youraverageroofer
@@Average_Roofer Dylan, how long should the nail be and how long should it protrude through the roof?
great video but the shingles going up the sides should be placed on top of the bottom row of started shingles I'm thinking
Hey man. Great videos. Im a framer in Ottawa. About to do my own roof at home, first time doing shingles.. If I were to use just the regular shingles i have in bulk as my starter strip, could i not just put a bit of roof cement down to make up for no tar strip? I was also hoping to reuse my flashing..Seems to be in good shape still. Is that doable you think? Appreciate the content bro keep it up!
You can reuse the flashings, and you can user shingles for starters.
Just ensure the tar side it up. It’s not the end of the world as you could use any shingles as a starter. It just helps with wind resistance
@@Average_Roofer Thanks man appreciate the response. Just finished my roof. First one ever. Went very well. I think ill do some more sometime!! You got a new subscription 👍🏼
why do you need starters on the gable/rake? why not just on the eaves? i dont get it please please help
You do not necessarily need them, however it will help with additional adherence of the shingles along the gables, is creates a straight line to follow while cutting your shingles, and it also helps reduce the changes of wind driven rain from penetrating the roof horizontally.
Although it’s not always required, it is HIGHLY recommended, and most manufacturers state the use of it in their installation procedures.
thats wrong bud.. gable overlaps the eaves then cut a 45 from the gable overlap to the corner to expose the tar strip.
Absolutely ....just like step flashing so it sheds water.
No, it isn't wrong and your method isn't wrong either. The only point the starter shingle is a "waterproofing" element is at the butt ends of the shingles (aka keyways). Move 18" away from the rake edge with the water and what does it run into? That's right, the top of the starter shingle. Where does it go after that? Under the starter shingle and on TOP of the UNDERLAYMENT where it continues over the drip edge and off the roof!
@@timphillips8966 Is it better to have them overlap or to cut at a 45° angle and butt them up? I also have question about repairing a section of a roof. Is there a good place to ask this?
Pretty dang sure,TIM PHILLIPS IS CORRECT ....bud !!!!!
@@gregscheyd4131 hes not
I've always wondered why not put tar strip facing down?
Better at the bottom if your starter glue can bond with the shingle glue. Up north nails hold down the starter, and the starter and shingle glues bond together. Down south we put roofing cement on the drip edge then lay starters in it, so the cement and nails hold down the starter, and shingle glue and starter glue bond together.
I'm not in to hand nailing, but it's very satisfying watching and hearing this guy do it.
Dylan,
Thank you for making these videos. Extremely helpful for a novice like me.
The primates who installed the new roof on my house had the shingles extending so far off the edge of the roof that they covered most of the gutter.
Great video. Only thing I would do different is I would put the eave starter on first then overlap the rake starter. Backward laps erk me lol. Outside of that your procedure is legit. I know it's the same either way, as long as you do like you said and make sure to have the starter glue meet on the rake and eave.
if one of those sides are against a wall, do I still want to do starter shingles the same way?
yes put the starter shingles against the wall, then install your step flashing onto of your starter shingle, then butt your first shingle course onto of both the starter and the step flashing. I will have a video for this process soon!
This was nicely done. Good production values. Clear, unhurried audio.
Thank for the detail information, great video explaining the methods used and why.
So it looks like the shingle sticks out a quarter more than the metal edge.....right???
Yes, always!
@@Average_Roofer Thanks....the guy who did my roof left off any drip edge, and didn't use a starter course!! I'm going to try to add drip edge all around. The facia is square, not plumb.
This guy seems like the best roofer
I’m not a professional roofer by any means but I’ve never put my starter upside down. This is an awesome video
I recently cleaned out gutters on my roof. I noticed that there was no starter shingles installed. The first course was the first full shingle. I also noticed that this first course overhung the drip edge anywhere from 5/8" to 1". This caused that first course of shingles to droop over (bend, curve, whatever) in the hot sun. The home builders roofer said they were installed per manufactures specs. Any opinions out there?
The one inch overhang is normally used when you have a 1x2 trim board fastened to the facia to cover the flashing.
You can tell this kid uses a nailgun in his daily work. Nails way to slow to be a hammer guy. But this is how a roofs supposed to be started. My only gripe would be to run a chalk line. Just in case the house and roof ain't straight.
You literally look like the guy from Fortnite
What character? 😂
Not to ask a dumb question but you started on the side first with the starter shingle but watching GAF starter shingle from them directly they start at the bottom of the roof, and then put the starter shingle OVER and on the sides... I would think starting on the side first then putting the bottom ontop would be a potential for water to sit if there was any penetration?
I have a 20 ft outbuilding shed. I bought the gaf at 39 3/8 inches. They say full first run. Then less 6, 11, and 17. The first starter row is 3-1/4 inches short. It hardly makes sense to spice in every 5 th row with a 3-1/4 inch piece does it. You have good videos. Watched several of them. Please advise.
THANKS ,BUDDY ....GOOD INFORMATION !!!!!
Thank you so much! I purchased the started shingles and thank to you I feel confident that I can shingle my gazebo. Any additional advice for an octagonal shape roof? 🙂
You are so welcome!
Using 3 tab shingles for starter also work just fine. In your case IKO is Marathon if memory serves me right.
Sooo.... I redid my roof. We didn't put starter going up the roof. Just at the bottom. Is that okay?
That’s fine. It’s there to help with wind but doesn’t necessarily need to be installed. You will be fine without it.
Very easy to follow your instructions. Great job.
What is the mark of this hammer?
PrimeGrip
We just had our roof reshingled on Saturday. On the quote, it said that there will be 2 bundles of starter shingles. But when I saw the actual job being done (I took pictures), I noticed that they installed architectural shingles flipped the other way (rotated 180 degrees) on both the gable and eave ends. They are Certainteed Landmark. Does not using proper starter shingles void the warranty in any way?
Appreciate the video but i didn't catch the set up / positioning of/ drip edge below starter shingles on gable and the horizontal. But there is a lot of time dedicated to you driving in the mails, would be way more helpful to see how the drip edge is installed and jow the starter shingles go ontop.
Why did you take 10 to 12 inches off the starter strip? Didnt the seal go all the way to then end on that one? Excellent content, brother! I wish I had found this channel years ago.
Good videos but why wouldn’t you have your first bottom starter lapping underneath the rake instead of on top of it, couldn’t that top seam be a potential leak?
For a novice homeowner learning, this was is what I needed. I didn't like the cutting of shingles on the roof. In regards to the starter strips in the corners, how about cutting them at a 45 so you get less of a bump on the ends? Thanks for the video, no BS, well done.
If you prefer to cut the 45, do it. It won't be noticeable if you don't tho
Doesnt the overlap leave a gap and prevent the shingle fro sticking to the tar strip? How would you get them flish with each other?
You have some great videos! I have a question on the starters I noticed you ran the gable starter first then overlapped at the bottom wouldn’t you run the eve first then run up the gable just so water would shed properly? Thanks
Very informative. Great job and good luck with chanel.
5...5 hits to drive an inch and a half..and why don't you carry them in your mouth like the rest of us
I'm not a contractor, but shouldn't the roofing felt be under the drip edge like it is on the gable ends?
When you put the nails in the starters, is it ok for them to penetrate the drip edge?
Yes. That is actually good practice as it means your nails are close to the edge of the roof which assists in adding strength to the starter shingles to combat wind.
Good roofers cover the heads with Blackjack roof cement
@@largemouthhunter5014 I spray flex seal ..just enough to cover the head.. seems to make it quicker on bigger projects n bout 100 more per project
Yeah you know this guy is a roofer look at his teeth. I would hire this fucking guy though he knows his shit!!
That was a great video!
Great video what do you do at the ridge? Just butt the two gable starter strips at the ridge? Or should one starter strip go over the ridge
- Gundy to be 100% honest. You can do it either way. As hip/ridge shingles are going to cover it regardless.
Why would you not use the 9” roll of starters?? They usually come in rolls of 32’…
I just inspected my roof kinda wish I hadn't gone up there. I'm pretty sure it just stole my wallet and my personal info
Are this flush with the drip strip?
spenceational86 overhang 1/4 inch off of the drip edge.
Hey am doing a lean roof storage shed do I have to put starter at the top of the shed roof & also for the drip edge for the top does it goes after the shingles or before?
No starter needed at the top, but put your last drip edge on top of the shingles and seal the nails.
Thanks alot relle appreciate the help
I found your video to be on point and precise. You will laugh, but I watched your videos prior to roofing a dog house. If I am going to do something, I like to do it right, even on a dog house.
Did you install the starter strip 1/4 inch beyond the drip edge or before the drip edge?Hard to see on video?
Yes it was 1/4" beyond the drip edge, BUT this is ONLY for drip edge that has a 1" lip that extends beyond the edge of the roof! There are drip edge metals that are only a simple 90 degree bend with a small 3/16" bend at the bottom that is the actual "drip edging" that kicks the water out away from the fascia. Using this type of drip edge you'd extend the starter shingle one full knuckle (1") beyond the drip edge and not the 1/4".
@@timphillips8966 Thanks, I installed some shingles back in December this way.
Thank you for all your videos please keep them coming!
Great video! What do I do when I get to the ridge?
Great video, very informative!
I’m trying to roof my little tiny chicken coop with remnant shingles from friends. Tried to start today after doing tar paper and the drip edge. Its not pretty but... I’m learning. I tried starting the shingles today and realized I just be missing something and it was the starting shingles. Lol. Your videos are super helpful. Thanks. You also just taught me how important the tar strips are. I’ll send a photo if it works out. Thanks again.
claymonsterpottery send your finished photos via email to YourAverageRoofer@gmail.com 👍🏼
Good job man, I watched your shingle video too, very good as well I will be doing this tomorrow morning so I really appreciate this clear video.
Thnx man great vid.
Does everyone use a starter shingle up the gable I think a lot of people don't even use it
thanks so much for video. branch just fell through my roof. so i have lots of work ahead of me. now to learn how to do the sheathing.
There is is a video on my channel for that. I’ll tag a link to you.
th-cam.com/video/wnPsUNeENFA/w-d-xo.html
In any other roofing video I've watched they all start out at the edge of the eave and put the rake starter on top, you did the opposite. Any reason why? I don't think it makes a difference...just curious. Good explanations and demonstrations BTW. 👍
Ted Locke you can absolutely do it both ways. This way just utilizes all of the tar adhesive 100% around the roof line.
@@Average_Roofer Your way makes perfect sense once I watched and actually paid attention, thanks for the reply bud, roof on!!
Rake starter should be on top. If not water will get in eave 100% - your overlap should never face ridge , ever
I’d reverse the starter corner lap so higher materials lap onto the lower.
Today I had a roofing/gutter company come look at my hanging gutter I requested a quote on the repair. They came out to look at the damage but the person they sent was under the impression that he was there to inspect the roof. I was heading home from work when he had arrived he asked if he could go up to take a look while I headed there I stupidly said yes, I’m thinking okay he need to get up there to inspect the damage to the gutters. As I am driving home I get notifications from my ring camera I open it up and see my love camera, watching him picking up shingles off the ground and throwing them into his car. When I finally arrive we go up the the roof I’m thinking he’s going to show me the damage he saw on the gutters but instead he tell me right away have you seen your shingles lately I said no and he point out the am area that had a patch of missing shingles, I asked him those are the ones I seen you throw into ur car through my camera. He responds with oh I was them cleaning up since they were already hanging and continues on to sell me on getting a whole new roof replaced with no out of pocket cost besides the deductible to the insurance company. He mentions how because I am missing shingles they can file a claim for wind damage. I’m thinking to myself well clearly he ripped the shingles off and is now trying to tell me the damage was there and I need a new roof. I tell him again that I only called them for a gutter repair quote and he’s like of well I was told this was a roof job. How shady was that and what do you recommend I do. Sorry I’m not sure if this is the place to ask this but I’m lost as a young clueless homeowner with zero guidance it seems everyone is just trying to take advantage of that. That company sent me a contact to get the roof replaced after the whole ordeal and offered to get me in contact with someone for just the gutter if I chose to just do the gutter. Which was my whole plan to begin with but now I have missing shingles on my roof from where I believe this guy just ripped off for what ever reason other than to get me to contract them
I staple them in with my hammer tacker saves nails. Quicker application and the nails from the shingles fasten them down. No dragging the air hose around. Thanx 4 your video.
Ppl be complaining like there a pro roofer and yet they here watching a tutorial lol
We don’t discriminate 🤷🏻♂️😂
@@Average_Roofer 👍
So many videos show the starter strip as a shingle rotated 180 degrees. This puts the adhesive tab five inches away from the bottom of the first row, increasing the chance of wind lift. Cut the tabs off if using a regular shingle as a starter and install with the adhesive at the roof edge. This video clearly shows the correct way a starter strip has the adhesive at bottom of the first row.
I got to redo an old front porch roof. It's in constant shade. Does the adhesive still melt, work ?
@@LiftingwithGrandpaCharlie Most asphalt shingle manufactures require that a specialized adhesive is manually applied to each shingle if temperatures are below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. If shingles are applied below 40 degrees without the specialized adhesive, the manufacturer will void any warranty. Above 40, no problem.
@@brianw612 Thanks !
Your caption is covering what you are trying to explain
Are you putting those nails through the D-metal or behind it?
I did I roof on a garage on my summer cabin, and I failed to put down a starter strip, dumb mistake I know but never done a roof before, any adhesive you would recommend that I go back to adhere that first course?