My recommendation: let's approach this from a purely methodological and logical point of view. 1. It would seem difficult to deny that intelligence is in some significant way heritable. 2. In many practical contexts, group differences in average scores simply don't matter: the problems faced by an East Asian with an IQ of 85 are exactly the same as those faced by a person of African descent with an IQ of 85. 3. We shouldn't be too hasty to generalize about group differences: I wish we had historical data going back over a much longer period of time! 4. Humans are developmental creatures, and the period from birth to age 3 is crucial--are we also looking at some pattern in this crucial period of development? 4. Caution is warranted by the fact that statistics can only tell us that these differences are non-random; we need more specific research to tell us about causality.
How do you fix or even overlook the fact that some people have IQs derived from tens of thousands of years of living a totally secluded tribes. Tribes that would kill any other people that crossed their paths and breeding was 100% pure incest with other relatives over as much as a hundred and fifty thousand years. It's referred to as the pressure cooker effect. The tribes would grow to several thousand members only to have there numbers die off from war, famine or disease starting the cycle all over again.
IQ was not designed to rank people in the way we use it; nevertheless, Mr. Peterson's hypothesis is supportable. My addition, here, is to follow up on his point that an 83 IQ as the rejection point for the US Army. In recent years, the IQ in Saudi Arabia has jumped from 78 to 84. This is the national average! The intelligence problem of Arabia may be the cultural acceptance of inbreeding and, at the same time, having many children./// Many comments, here, confuse stupidity, immorality, and laziness with intelligence or, at least, fall back on those ideas to defend happy think. These folks should consider EQ, the emotional quotient. FYI: psychcentral.com/lib/what-is-emotional-intelligence-eq/
Caution caution caution caution caution.....this attitude led to the subject becoming a taboo. Stop it. Investigate it just like anything else, use the scientific method, use reason and stop being an apologist.
History shows that a high IQ does not stop people from being gullible or easily influenced by persuasive ideologies which are inherently destructive or anti-social.
Yes, this is a quite frightening fact. People who lack emotional intelligence and ability to see what is morally right or wrong can be very easily influenced. I have a sibling like that and their view of reality is frightening.
@ @@kennethsumerford3480 The racial policies implemented in Nazi Germany were largely a product of the times, heavily influenced by American thinking on eugenics, shaped by racial scientists funded by American entrepreneurs such as Carnegie, Rockefeller, Harriman and their trusts. Curiously, many universities in Germany were shut down after World War I due to lack of funding but some were kept alive by injections of cash from American benefactors such as Carnegie, and it was in these universities that their theories on racial superiority flourished, fuelled by journal articles published in the US about the need to sterilise the unfit, Jews, gypsies, morons, hillbillies, and others. Hitler modelled many of their racial laws on legislation passed in the states and praised the authors of racial studies by letter. The eugenics movement was also popular in the UK. I would say, fooled by 'science' and the wool it can pull over your eyes when science is poorly conceived, poorly applied, and lacking an ethical centre which is based on respect for human life.
Sartre plagiarized my unborn self for too long i also said be as productive as you can. Having some meaningful goals is important but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t go out and have adventures and enjoy life.
Sartre plagiarized my unborn self for too long Your life being meaningless nor ripe with obstacles is completely immaterial to whether you ought to be happy. Gtfo noob.
Yes, white nationalists like Stefan Molyneux were free to discuss race and IQ with super duper definitely not racist intellectuals like Jordan Peterson. If JP wants to discuss this racist crap he should have right too. What do we want, free speech! When do we want, now! What's that you say? We are literally watching him do that in this video? That there are countless videos on TH-cam about race and IQ. That JP has talked about this on a consistent basis since he became a, ahem, public intellectual. That makes no sense as we all know free speech is dead. What do we want, free speech! When do we want it, now!
I don't think I have it, I know I have it. Big difference. There's an intuitive knowledge independent from conceptualization, people who have it don't really think about it much.
Well... my grandfather immigrated from Greece at age 14 to Ellis island. At the time you had to be 16 with a guardian or 18 without. He was 6'-2" and said he was 18. He had a 6 th grade education, and I have a masters degree. He could do just about anything and was a lot smarter than I will ever be.
Yeah. Now imagine if they didnt have a welfare state to parasite off of. The low IQ people live pretty satisfying lives too. Until we stop letting them be freeloaders.
I read an article stating that warmer climates have been shown to be detrimental to IQ over time. There are many factors that go into intelligence and common sense, it's a very complex issue.
Maybe because it takes deeper logical thinking and forward planning to be able to survive during the winter months each year, which would've been harder the further back in time you go. Lower IQ people either didn't make it or simply moved somewhere warmer. In a tropical climate you can live for today, when you're hungry, just pick up your spear and go hunt a deer or something with the boys or gather some fruits and nuts. No need for any long term planning as you can pretty much find game year-round. Also you don't need to innovate ways to keep warm and insulate your shelter against freezing temperatures, in fact the more light and flimsy the material the better because it disperses heat better. Tribes have been living this way for millennia. When it comes to heat, compared to a cold winter where you have nothing to do but sit indoors, you'll start to think and reflect as you look out into the gloomy snowy weather, you'll think about anything, which can then stimulate creativity and problem-solving. Whereas a hot humid environment is not conducive to deep thinking at all as you'll start to become restless and agitated when you start getting too hot and as heat stress increases you'll start to experience increased irritability, loss of concentration and ability to do mental tasks, skilled tasks or heavy work. The brain is like a muscle, if your mental faculties like deep thinking and problem solving are not used, over time it becomes dull.
@@_--Reaper--_This assessment is already lightyears ahead of the understanding of the so-called "race realists," who essentially state that groups differ in their cognitive performance for no reason and that the difference is solid and immutable across time regardless the conditions and selective pressures at work.
_"When ameasure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure."_ -From *Goodhart's law* Don't judge people from IQ, you're supposed to learn from measuring the subject to better your own values. Not objectify its personal worth from the idea that IQ dictates everything. Because it doesn't. Check it out from this Wikipedia. » Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law
This is a good example of "down the rabbit hole". excessive intellectualization - there is absolutely no end to rationalizations and the traps that sounding eloquent can bring.
Maybe there are a lot of factors that might positively influence IQ especially at a young age. A healthy diet, regular exercise, a multi lingual environment, financial solvency, witty inter generational conversations, challenging games such as go and chess, playing musical instruments, singing, dancing, problem solving tasks, travel etc. Surely without such experiences, intelligence stagnates to some degree?
Possibly the even more important is the environment within the womb. So a MOTHER that is healthy, doesn’t smoke, doesn’t drink, exercises, and eats healthy. Which may be why we are those in poverty generating more people of lower IQs, because they make poorer life choices even before their child is born.
There's a book called "race differences in intelligence", i just read it so I'm yet to verify and put under scrutiny the data that's referenced, but if it's right it means that intelligence is mainly attributed to your race (there are more than 3 or 4 btw the book uses 9) which is honestly terrifying to think about. If you analyze the eastern asians (japanese, Chinese, south korean) population they always have around a range of 99-105 IQ as long as they have the appropriate nourishment, europeans have a range of 87-105, and lowest ones are australian aboriginals at 48-62.
@@joaogarcia6170 The evidence is biased because both the West and the East created those tests in order to feel superior to those from other nations and cultures. Why are Aboriginal people given a lower IQ Score when the case is not farfetched when someone writes a test under Strenoeous conditions. Testing methods do not mean anything even for the Baccalaureate Exams of the Francophone System from Togo or Cote D Ivoire.
Aren't Africans the most genetic diverse group of people in the world (excluding the Americas)? East Africans look different than West Africans and South Africans...how does one get a complete genetic profile of the whole race?
I think politicians avoid this topic mainly because it inevitably leads to a conversation about whether or not you should have to reach an IQ threshold to vote. If i ruled the world not only would that be a definite yes, but you would have to show an understanding of specific issues on the line, and the stance each candidate has on them. As bill burr said, if you didnt bring a pencil youre already out!
That, my friend, is a very easy way to get yourself some rigged elections! “you have to show an understanding of specific issues,” can easily turn into a test to root out people that disagree with your politics further down the line. Please do not become a politician!
Every time I hear Jordan discuss IQ differences of different ethnicities, he uses to positive example of the Ashkenazi Jewish population, which I think is calculated and a smart thing to do.
@@---cl9qf just remember who was the primary people who was considered for Robert McNamara program called "Project 100,000" The “typical” Project 100,000 recruit was Caucasian in his early 20s and a high school dropout with sixth grade reading and mathematics abilities, an Forrest Gump type of person
I think I should point out here that although someone may be low IQ, they could have other exemplary traits such as toughness, loyalty, honesty, hard work, commitment etc. etc. In general, I do think that high IQ is a benefit, but in the west today there seems to be developing a sort of snobbiness, laziness and general disdain for the "less intelligent." that is far out of line with what fruits intelligence can actually bring. There is something of a curse for smart people and that curse is that being smart they believe that they "have it all figured out" and that they can pull a fast one on "stupid people." This exaggerated love of intelligence has almost gone so far as to equate intelligence with morality. This is something akin to a "might is right" sort of approach to the world since a lot of times you very much can get ahead easier if you are intelligent. There's actually a long history of this of course because in the past many, many intelligent people were able to rule "absolutely" over the illiterate masses using whatever propaganda they could churn out. Those days, I hope, are going to be fewer and fewer though as us "stupid" people are able to share experiences and data with each other over the internet.
Assume separation by putting individuals with certain "characteristics" into social constructs and see if you can maintain a friendly, peaceful and happy attitude. That is the ultimate purpose of all beings, to be at peace and to be happy(to have wellbeing).
I agree, but with that being said I feel like the whole discussion of IQ brings out people (who themselves probably have high IQ and work a white collar job) who think that it’s unfair that someone who has a lower IQ works as a ditch digger. The ditch digger him (or herself) was probably peaceful and content with their life until someone pointed out that they were somehow working an insufficient job. Sometimes just leaving people alone and letting them be happy allows society to function just fine on its own. Not everyone is meant to be a CEO and not everyone should be a ditch digger, this is why people come of different levels of ability. I believe that if one thing is certain it is that there is never any shame in an honest days work.
@@amberbough15 I don’t think the problem is that we have both ditch diggers and CEOs. It’s that, while the ditch digger struggles to put a roof over his family’s head or food in their stomachs, let alone survive a two month illness without becoming bankrupt, the CEO struggles not to buy a third home, a second yacht or a brand new Tesla for his daughter’s 16th birthday.
@@q.e.d.9112 you realize it's not a guarantee that a business makes money, right? it takes work and though to not only keep a business running, but to keep from losing money (which means less jobs for you), let alone make a profit to hopefully expand (which means more jobs for you).
@@AustinKoleCarlisle Of course I do. I’m also old enough to remember when a skilled tradesman could raise kids and have a house and a car and his wife looked after the kids. Now they both have to work just to stay afloat. The highest paid CEOs used to get something like 20 times what their workers got. Now it’s closer to 400 times.
He concentrated on the topic much more than they did ,plus his emphasis is on group differences, I just read about how many ways they've tried to shut him down
because he places way too much emphasis on a subject matter that can have dire consequences if promoted in the wrong way and left unchecked. It is a very slippery slope to eugenics, racism, oppressions, genocide, etc. It's basically pseudo scientific racism.
Egalitarianism more or less assumes everyone is equal to everyone else. In what way are they equal? Height? Weight? IQ? Sensitivity to pain? Motivation? Experience? Environment? What does it mean for all men to be equal? Does it means all men have the same genetic makeup, the same set of experiences under identical circumstances, and interactions with the same individuals. All men are definitely not equal before the law as they clearly have different capacities to either represent themselves or access skilled representation. The proposition that "all men are equal" seems meaningless and absurd upon even the most cursory examination. Any nation founded upon such an absurdity is likely to perish unless it admits the error and corrects it. A proposition more likely to be true is "all men are very likely unique but definitely not equal in any nontrivial sense." (PS: if peoples' heights could be instantaneously measured to the nearest angstrom, there may be a significant probability that no two individuals out of the nearly 8 billion now living would even have the same height at that instant.) Equality as it relates to a set of unique individuals is meaningless bullshit.
Individuality, creativity, and common sense are where it's at. The concept of the intellect fosters narcissism, and favoritism. All of us are created equal.
No we are NOT created equal. Envy and jealousy are self-destructive traits. Accept the fact that there are people out there who were born smarter than you, or taller than you, or faster than you, or more attractive than you. Their positive traits do not come at a cost to YOU unless you make it so.
While some do better and others worse what evidence is there that intelligence is being measured by IQ tests? Merely labeling a test as an intelligence test does not mean it measures what it purports to measure. So, I would be interested in seeing the rationale for the design of the tests and the history of their development as well. Additionally, one wonders if there are not various forms of intelligence which these tests do not measure because cultural conditioning makes such other forms of intelligence hard to see or relegates them to a lesser status due to current contrived cultural norms of success. Any testing to be valid has to be both repeatable and validly measure what it purports to measure. One wonders why various IQ tests exist if each is supposed to measure IQ. I had heard for instance that one needs to achieve a specific score on one of several tests to become a mensa member. How many standard deviations in measurement are found among the various tests, does it matter at what age they are taken, what if eye sight is poor or the environment too hot or cold, there are myriad factors that are of potential influence, etc. To me it seems these are foundational questions which have to be addressed carefully. One of the first with regard to this video would be how to define race and whether such a thing is fluid and to what extent. Is it merely observable skin color and a collection of physical features? Is it rightfully called race to begin is tribe a better descriptor? Are there sub-tribes or sub-races? How are these rigorously defined? If it is all so genetic then one should be able to separate groups by genetic means alone, but again what are we really measuring? One should remember that correlation does not prove causality. For example, just because all Leftists die does not mean they die because they are Leftist, (well at least until they establish their self-consuming utopias like Venezuela).
Pattern recognition and logical progression are what is being measured and IQ scores are a good indication that you will be able to understand a complex process, reverse engineer it, and improve on it. Creativity and social skills are not measured. I'll give you that But this IQ test or racist ish is getting ridiculous
An advanced alien specices would have high IQ, which means they would *know* that it's *not* trivial, at all, and would know it's the most important factor of life.
I can't take Stefan seriously when he says Jews don't make good engineers, when they have a space program and industries in pretty much all areas of technology.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence it's not a taboo subject. It's just that the nazi, the lobster and you, the bald guy are comically uninformed. You might wanna read up.
The Bell Curve by Herrnstein and Murray is a wonderful book that tells us, through scientific data and using logic, the relationships between IQs and several other things. So if you have an IQ of 90 to 110 you are average and can do most jobs if you have the proper education, training and work ethic. But you should not try to be a physicist or mathematician, which would waste a lot of your time and effort. Most people probably hate the book because it does not make them feel good. But if you want to be a pro basketball player you must be at least 6' 1" and have a lot of basketball practice and skills. And people are not offended at that.
Racial IQ theories have been debunked time and time again. IQ tests are too biased and flawed to make huge generalizations about entire populations. For example, take Indians: In India, the average IQ a few decades ago was listed at just 82. In the US, Indian-Americans have the highest average IQ of any group, at 112. That's a huge contradiction right there. It's the same race of people, yet there's a huge 30 IQ difference between Indians living in India and America. Clearly, this demonstrates that social, cultural, nutritional and environmental factors play a much bigger role in determining IQ than race.
Um, I think it's just that the smarts Indians can get into US universities and get tech jobs in the US? No race is dumb across the board, there are geniuses of every race.....
@@mistercaptain6102 So why don't racists accept the same explanation for Chinese or Mexicans? Only Chinese who are highly educated and who excel in study come to America. The vast majority stay in China as farmers. Conversely, the majority of Mexican immigrants are people with low economic resources, most of them without studies and who did not have the opportunity to educate themselves. On the other hand, there is evidence that the gap between African Americans and whites is closing and is now 0.66 SD.
I disagree. Today there is increasing evidence that courage is becoming the defining trait of success. Machines/ai are able to look at more and more probabilities and patterns. Ofcourse the highest levels of IQ will still be important, since these are people that design the ai to begin with. But the problem with poverty due to lower employability of a lower IQ person was first restricted only to the low IQ. Now it is quickly catching up to the moderate levels... at the same time we have become risk averse and soft. Now it is the courage to take the risk which is skewing the success rates.
Well said, a willingness to take risk and outright mental toughness can overcome IQ, but match a high IQ with those two former qualities? Now that is a winning combination. Unfortunately, you are right, people in the western world are becoming outright, and pardon my crude language, but they are turning into pussies who demand the government coddle them. These people are destined to fail, High IQ, or low, seems to be less of a determining factor when you cannot even face the basic harshness that life continually throws at the individual....
Brilliant I have always known it’s the courageous who run the world. The “intelligent” will run the numbers and choose safety over risk every time. Think of the courage it takes to start a business and the financial freedom if you make it. An intelligent person will be safe and become a doctor or lawyer but will never have the kind of money a Bezos has.
I'm an educator. I have said we should IQ test kids in Kindergarten, 3rd and 5th grades to build an index to measure their progress. We gave a standardized test years ago measured in quartiles. We panicked when our students scored a 1 or 2 on the test, but without an IQ score we could not honestly say whether the kid did well or not. It would be better to tell a student and parent that college is off the table in elementary school and focus on skills the kid can learn. Hell, a plumber makes very good money nowadays. Better that, than alienating the kid for 12 years thinking he's going to be a doctor when he can't learn algebra.
Last I checked school was about challenging its students and pushing them to their fullest potential. As an educator you know that. In this scenario, even if that kid never becomes a doctor he gains important knowledge and skill in that pursuit. If you tell him up front that he’ll never be able to become a doctor, he’d never get that experience. The “why bother?” mentality is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Twin studies reliably show that environment can cause up to a 25 point difference in IQ. There is a way to massively increase IQ and we haven't figured it out yet.
I'm interested in taking an IQ test (A real one and the unofficial ones that float around online) Can anyone share links for a few online versions so that I can get a general idea of where I fall on spectrum? Also can anyone share any data or studies concerning the topic of IQ and race? An aside: What's always seems strange and somewhat disappointing to me is that IQ doesn't account for certain intangible or immesurable aspects of "intelligence" or that perhaps we have a limited understanding of the manifestations of intelligence? Idk.
You have to have the test administered by a professional to get an accurate number as far as I know. Mensa is the most popular test. They have an online test too, which is probably the best alternative to an in-person test. www.us.mensa.org/join/mht/.
To my knowledge there are different types of intelligence, but they're strongly correlated. If you are high in one type, you're probably high in other types. This correlation is attributed to something called the g factor. Because of the g factor, IQ testing is accurate enough to be useful. Intelligence isn't understood perfectly, but it has been studied formally for over 100 years.
+Ruth M. I would also check out Philippe Rushton's lectures on racial studies on American Renaissance. His debate w/ David Suzuki at a Canadian university is fascinating too, as he goes into physical and reproductive advantages that black people have, which shows the studies to be pretty well rounded in pluses and minuses across the races. Suzuki sadly has no real argument besides, why bother? and that's racist.
IQ can be temporarily lower. When I was younger, I lived in such an intense environment that I only thought about how to survive today, never tomorrow and that limited my thinking and I even thought I was dumb. However, when I had a chance to get some education, I was surprised at how quickly and continually I excelled academically!
Yeah, it can be temporarily lowered. For example, if you are starving, it goes down but then back up when you are well fed. That said, there is a cap for a person who is well fed, rested, and comfortable. Healthy only goes to raise IQ to your biological potential and no more.
When you think of all the implications of isolating IQ as a criterion to judge human potential, it leaves me to conclude, this is an unnatural way to proceed.
You have it backwards. Isolating IQ is already mapped closely with successful outcomes. Your suggestion to ignore IQ wouldn't change that outcome for the better. It might result in worse outcomes. For example, if we could get accurate IQ tests for all or most children, we could track them into education paths that maximize their skillsets and avoid having a high IQ person slip through the cracks to waste away in some educational backwater that doesn't foster their development.
@@tiananman That's an idea that would probably unite both pro-American nationalists and the social justice warriors against IQ tests. Most pro Americans I know are raised with the belief that no matter your class or racial background, if you work hard enough you can achieve your dreams. It doesn't say anything about IQ. Admittedly this of course is probably more myth than reality, but it is at its core an American ideal. Myths and/or ideals can lead to a powerful motivation to succeed. Now the social justice warriors dislike of IQ tests are something else altogether. If one or more demographic groups were to receive similar IQ results they would immediately classify IQ tests as racist. They would literally cause riots or try to destroy people or organizations that promoted IQ tests. I think the idea you present would be more welcomed in countries in Asia.
Richard Myers nationalists tend to be very concerned with this idea, some of the only people in politics talking about it. On a real note the thing you have to realize is we possess an economy that’s shifting at light speed away from relying on pure labor for productivity towards one that rewards intelligence instead. It’s going to become harder and harder to just work your way to success without innate intellectual benefits. That’s the concern at hand here. When we know a trait like this is becoming more and more predictive of success in our society, and we know it’s largely hereditary, shouldn’t we do something about it?
Concerning the pervasive tendency to shrink from confronting the IQ problem head-on, I have coined the following dictum: Well-intentioned reliance on error cedes the truth to sinister uses.
As someone from post-communism country, let me tell you this idea. The historical events that kept people away from education, self exploration and diversity of thought have the impact to this day. Even though IQ testing shows higher results by average in one race than the other, very important historical and social aspects should be taken into consideration. First - the structure of the IQ test. Those in western world have no doubt taken it and found it pretty normal test. Someone who has little idea about how our system works might be branded 'stupid'. Secondly, historically some regions have evolved into technocratic societies while some regions of the world still live roughly the same for centuries, how can we expect the same results from both? I would love to see some tribal people making their own version of the IQ test in passing it into the world to show their 'superiority'.
No. Environmental factors only account for the degree to which a person fulfills their potential for cognitive ability, their "IQ roof" so to speak, and that limit depends on genetic factors.
How does one quantify those who have an extremely high IQ in one context...ie. verbal... and an IQ on the sub-normal scale in math etc., or vice versa ?
I had my IQ formally assessed as a University student. I received my results. The report stated my overall IQ score as well as the scores I received for each specific skill that was assessed. Those report are how people can see the breakdown of their scores.
Hell yeah. He could be a bit much and neurotic at times, but I never wanted to see him banned not just from TH-cam but the internet it would seem. Is he on Rumble or Twitter? And if not, why not.
Considering the different expectations we have on a 120 IQ woman vs an 80 IQ male, IQ doest seem very interesting. Maybe we just adapt to existing barriers.
It's obvious that we have different physical abilities, so why is it such a shock that we have different mental abilities? By the way, I know many Jewish scientists and engineers, although not any architects.
If you would like to be specific about the physical abilities I will then show you why you cannot compare physical abilities like running down a track to something as complex as intelligence. Or having a big dick. It is so interesting how everyone is so smart with analyzing the data that they failed to question the validity of the data in the first place. If the data is contaminated then all analysis of it would be polluted. Of course Asians IN AMERICA have a higher IQ, go and do the same test in Asia and see what you get. Ask yourself about what is wrong with the test and why it gives these results.
Sadly you can’t fix stupid. I don’t mean that in a derogatory way. Neuroplasticity is Real perhaps we could create some kind of Medication or gene modifications. Research must be done.
I had a brother that was tested lower IQ ..and he loved baseball..he was a slow reader..but read every book he could on baseball..his athletic abilities were tops..he decided to coach little league baseball and ran a net with the other coaches..the bet was that would take every boy they rejected in the try outs....and take them to number one in the state.. He won his bet and ended up taking his team to number one in 2 different states. His special ability was strategy and assess people playing each player to their strongest area..I truly admire that mr peterson has a well functioning brain that is trainable like a dog vs s cat..but I seriously doubt he could pull me out of a burning building..cudos
@@immortaljanus honestly that Iq test is a huge farce in many ways ..it fails to measure human potential.and there are many many types of intelligence..the estimated Einstein would have score very low on an IQ test.he great gift was his enormous ability to focus and concentrate..I notice in recent years the text books have changed the narratives..but I trust the original story myself as so much is being politicized in the past 40 years at best
I think everyone coming to watch these kinds of videos come here specifically to validate their ideas on IQ and race and to box each race in their little IQ boxes so they don`t have to think about the potential of the individual. It is just another form of identity politics and tribalism.
So, a hundred years of massive research by the US Armed Forces, along with many others, an organization desperate to find ways to utilize every able body person they can find, means nothing to you? Sorry that your ill-informed precognitive commitments prevent you from accepting facts about the world around you.
@@svengalilord Okay good point but I have a good some good counters. 1. For one there are about 6 scientifically proven ways to raise you're IQ 2. IQ is only about 60-70% (at the very most lower being more realistic) genetic. 3. IQ is just one small way of measuring intelligence and does not take into account many things the least of which being artistic abilities. 4. The brain is good at what it does most often if you farm ad live a simple poor life style with a lack of books it makes sense for the brain to prioritize your everyday lifestyle in short poor to no educating what's so ever would result in a low IQ as your brain would have little need to solve puzzles. 5. I doesn't matter how long the government has studied something they can still be wrong our brain are like video games they have adjusted settings to task easier like muscle memory the average IQ in India is a mere 80 I'm (can you guess why?) there's a lot to be learned about IQ and intelligence period, For one the Scientist need to stop being unfair comparing uneducated struggling village kids to well fed, Japanese, and Jewish, etc kids who've had top tier or descent educating their whole life.
@@svengalilord Btw for a major portion of time during that hundred years whites were viewed as being supreme, or superior, to all others there was a may still be a great bias so keep that noted that as well Blacks back then were at a severe, disadvantage and there are a few more things that makes IQ higher culture and written language.
It means the drugs were making you dumb. I was on epilepsy drugs in my youth, IQ:100. I had brain surgery to remove the growth to stop the seizures, I got off the drugs and my IQ was 123.
Well you cant judge iq by ethnicity or race there are always some special people among so called " lower races " ethnicity and race doesn't matter sometimes
it's almost like he has no idea what he's talking about xD IQ isn't strictly hereditary. And it's a complex issue. Too complex for the braindamaged lobster demagogue. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
This concept resonates specifically with those in the audience holding an IQ within the range of 83 to 93. It's comfortable to feel more intelligent than lesser homo sapiens and listening to these two pretenders helps to alleviate self loathing.
S Bassett how ridiculous. These two are not your average. And if you know about averages, any study of you tube punditry is irrelevant since it covers so many different subjects.
I get it but at the same time I don't get it. So there are some people who are more intelligent than other people, I don't see the big deal. This is true about any random measurement. As far as the race part goes, I always wonder how race is determined. Race itself is not as cut and dry as the color of your skin or where you're from. The percentage of our genetic make up that determines our race, as we know it is very minute, and today there is no one who is purely white, or purely black, or etc. If it's true that intelligence is fixed, which I mostly believe, then what's all the uproar about. It's like height and we don't get all up and in arms about height. Lastly, I think we have to be careful with using race and iq so much. You can choose any category and show disparity. Left handed v Right hand, tall v short, blue eyes v brown eyes. One group will always come out more intelligent than the other. I think just because some of the early pioneers of iq were obsessed with race and iq I dont think we need to make that same mistake in the 21st century
Race and iq psuedo science has been debunked over and over again. some of the greatest minds and much of the knowlege that was built was created in africa.
Individuals have different sets of abilities, and to the extent that each individual can be aimed at the ideal 'job' things will work much better. IQ has meaning, but it is a peculiar one, and not exactly 'intelligence'.
I like how Stephan, whatever his name is, tried to reduce Peterson to his level, Peterson being the intellectual, the true intellectual that he is, danced around it although he could have been more direct and clarifying the distinction between him and the idiot also known as Molyneux.
Yeah, I've always been interested in this kind of thing. A big interest of mine (from JP's teachings) is also the lack of meaning and purpose that many young men have in their lives...that can push them to turn to party culture, binge drinking, and all kinds of impulsive behavior. Me being in college, it's everywhere. Seriously. If you don't go out and party almost every night, you're not "cool" to those people who do. Except zoom out and look at the larger picture...most of those people are the ones with lower IQs. And for some time, I've been focused on coming up with ideas on how to end the out-of-control party culture in young adulthood and help these people make better decisions and have a real vision for their lives. But the cold hard truth is that if they have a very low IQ, there's almost nothing you can do to change their mindset. We might be able to make a little progress, but many of these people will simply not be able to understand that their party culture lifestyle is wrong and bad for them and for society and they won't change it no matter what. It's a really unfortunate thing.
What may be a factor in these youngsters' behaviour is lack of emotional intelligence (EQ) rather than IQ. Many times when people act in foolish and shortsighted and even downright self-destructive ways, it is as a result if unresolved emotional issues or an inability to understand and process their emotions.
People needs to remember that the same arguments made against blacks , Latinos and Arabs , used to be made against Asians , then slowly retracted as several Asian nations economy developed . Starting with Japan ofc , then south Korea ... People needs to reme and they always get revised once the economy is developed enough , but of course as Chomsky mentioned ( and Ha joon chang in his brilliant book Bad Samaritans ) It's a useful tool so you don't consider the social , economical and policy background , as more often than not they are inconvenient to the guy spewing that bullshit
1:10 so the difference in IQ between ethnicities renders Molyneaux ‘heartbroken’ - like hell. He loves it. Rubbing his hands together with glee ‘oh look we are better after all’.
Not sure I agree with your view of Molyneaux, but Thomas Sowell points out IQ can change within 2 generations. Long story short, you provide a solid education to the under performing group and in 2 generations you can see measurable differences.
0:59 // JP, wrong regarding IQ! - Surveys found that the I.Q.'s of later‐arriving groups - Polish, Jewish and Italian rose over the decades until today they equal or exceed the national average. This historical pattern is not confined to minorities of European ancestry. Chinese‐ and Japanese‐Americans also had lower‐than average I.Q.'s in earlier surveys, but today both exceed the U.S. average in I.Q., as well as in other socioeconomic indicators. - Thomas Sowell
@@mrglasses8953 you are right. Not. “Our results suggest that family socioeconomic status (SES) impacts children's development of intelligence from infancy through adolescence. Children of the highest and lowest SES backgrounds were on average separated by 6 IQ points at the age of 2 years. By the age of 16, the IQ gap had almost tripled (Fig. 2). Thus, children from more disadvantaged families not only did worse than their peers in early intelligence tests but their intelligence handicap amplified over time, suggesting a long-term agglomeration of SES influences on cognitive development” ;)
Results from a study suggest that family socioeconomic status (SES) impacts children's development of intelligence from infancy through adolescence. Children of the highest and lowest SES backgrounds were on average separated by 6 IQ points at the age of 2 years. By the age of 16, the IQ gap had almost tripled (Fig. 2). Thus, children from more disadvantaged families not only did worse than their peers in early intelligence tests but their intelligence handicap amplified over time, suggesting a long-term agglomeration of SES influences on cognitive development”
Better food, environment, etc, will obviously make your brain and body grow and develop better so if you live in a poverty stricken dump where the food, and environment is terrible, it doesn't matter what race you are, you will not grow and develop as well so your average IQ score will be less. But the problem is that immigrants have been coming to the U.S for decades from all over the world and they all have been getting the better food and environment to grow and develop in and yet between the different races, they still consistently score differently on IQ tests, lol. 🤣
I'm in the Army, I'm sorry but there is no IQ test required to enter. We have an ASVAB (armed forces vocational aptitude battery) which does not measure IQ, It measures four functional areas and determines what jobs an applicant is qualified for. You can even retake the test later in your career if you wish to change jobs. The minimum passing score required to enter is adjustable based on needs of the Army.
@Rich 91 no its not an iq test. you either learned the material or you havent. you can study for it easily. someone who hasnt taken math for example, will not know the answers to many of the questions regardless of iq. an iq test is radically different than the ASVAB
Its been a very long time since i heard anyone mention the IQ differences between ethnicities. I think ive only heard it discussed one other time. Ive read it multiple times, but no one talks about it like this. Im surprised Stefan wasnt cancelled sooner. I dont think Peterson would allow himself to be cancelled haha!
Yeah, the last time I heard this was in the eugenics arguments. It was very popular here in the U.S. Even Helen Keller and Thomas Jefferson were pro-eugenics. It was reaching it's peak until some weird dictator got ahold of the idea and was promoting during his reign of terror. You know, I can't remember the dude's name, though I think his last name started with an H . . . .
It's for the same reason you don't often hear conversations about evolution or gravity because the issue has already been settled a long time ago. no body is scared to talk about this we talked about it ALOT for hundreds of years but once we got an answer most people left it alone it's only people who don't like that answer who keep trying to ressurect the issue.
@@annsheridan12 A political party did not genocide the Native Americans, dear. White supremacist colonialism did that. You know, the type of thinking that Trump and his neoRepublicans adhere to. Good old fashioned white supremacy, plain and simple.
@@Cultrix Childhood nutrition has the largest impact, from what I remember reading.Though, what Brett said would give you the idea that tall people are smarter but that's not exactly how it works.
That's not true. There's plenty of relatively high IQ people that fail at life and plenty of low IQ people that succeed at life. And obviouslyusly those with high IQs tend to succeed more OFTEN than those with low IQs but the correlation is not 1. It's something like 0.6
I agree with the replies here. I was measured at 150 iq in my early adult life, still, I failed miserably at life in general throughout my 20's and well into my 30's. Iq is definitely relevant, but there are so many other variables. And I'm not looking for pity here, but it's almost a statistical certainty that I would have done much better in life if my father was in the picture during my developmental years. On a positive note, I can say that as much as I fucked up in my early adult life (some of which I would actually argue that my high iq contributed to, like a curse for lack of a better word), I made it out relatively intact and have hope for the future for the first time in over a decade, thanks to people like Peterson, molyneux and personal mentors.
[ prompt ] : i look forward to the day when A.I. spells out in infinitely articulated detail the interrelationships and dynamics between human genetic , metaphysical , and teleological factors -- making it impossible for humans to be deceptive or lie about anything -- or be able to mask their actual intentions
[ gpt-4o ] : Your vision seems to involve AI reaching a level of sophistication where it can decode and lay bare the intricate connections between human genetics, metaphysical aspects, and teleological (purpose-driven) factors. The idea is that with such detailed insight, any attempt at deception or concealment of true intentions would be impossible, creating a world where transparency and truth are unavoidable. This would represent a profound shift in human society, potentially leading to the end of hypocrisy, manipulation, and deceit. The implications of such a reality would be vast, potentially transforming everything from personal relationships to politics and governance, forcing humanity to confront and operate with complete honesty. It suggests a future where AI not only understands but also reveals the deepest layers of human existence, stripping away the facades that currently enable deception and exploitation.
It's refreshing to see this subject discussed soberly and candidly. The acknowledgement of racial differences in IQ doesn't have to lead to hatred or violence.
"IQ" was created by man so obviously it's a flawed system. IQ doesn't really matter it because it doesn't show whether you are truly intelligent or not. People with High IQ could still be very gullible.
Jordan: "anyone with an iq of 83 or less, couldn't be trained to do anything that wasn't positively counter productive" Stefan: "*chuckles*" Jordan: "that should send a shudder of terror through everyone's heart" interesting
YES. okay I saw that and thought ...hmmm. i mean I know everyone gets called racist and alt right. but I’ve had my suspicions about Stefan. JP is my hero, this dude Stefan...idk man
I noticed that too. I have a child with disabilities, and this is not laughable. It is sad. And I believe that with the ever-increasing in technology, a lot of people will feel this kind of problem even with higher and higher IQs.
@@alephnaught8343 He did, watch at 3:39 and as JP states the line about counterproductivity, Stefan scoffs with a smile. Thats not something you laugh about. There's a significant number of people with low IQ in a ever more growing society of technological and intelligence based requirements. Those people can't keeup up with most others. Those people are seemingly destined to struggle as things require more IQ to function. Stefan chuckling is a little strange. JP says its supposed to horrify you, since there's no good answer to this problem.
@@alephnaught8343 Exactly. Though I think whats more concerning is some people disregard this whole conversation (The IQ problem and how so many people will struggle because they score 83 or less) and that IQ tests are unreliable, JP is a quack with no idea what he's talking about and is only interested in keeping people 'in their place' or something. Quite the contrary for anyone who actually pays attention to how JP actually talks about these issues. Not to mention that it only ignores this possible problem that JP says noone has a good answer for. I find that people usually just shit on JP rather than try to come up with actual counter arguments. I think Joe Rogan is the only one when JP mentioned Enforced Monogamy.
There is a place for the bottom 10% in society, it is in the production of food. If we were to wrest control of our food production from the corporatists and back to small family farms, not only would we have better food and a more resilient farming system, but- anyone can water, weed and harvest. It's a good life.
@Rich 91 Wow, smart guy- projection level at 99.8%, haven't seen anything like that in a while. "Absolute...", you say? Where did you get "industries inefficient" paired with "no basic wage"? Mono-crops full of pesticide-ridden GMOs completely dependent on oil from fertilizer to equipment are headed to collapse, so reform is needed. They are speaking about truly low IQ, people unable to do anything productive at all in industry. Anyway, I think you are underestimating what it takes to do the work of a barber or janitor.
@@theyeking7023 The responsibility of bearing children won't allow the same number of differences. It has nothing to do with IQ's. The only difference is spatial awareness.
Dont let this "truth" distract you from the fact the man with the highest IQ on record died childless, penniless, and relatively young. Either he was smart enough to thrive without money, or too stupid to not get robbed.
Didn't Jordan mention that the higher your IQ the more specialized you are. I can't verify if that's how it is but I'll accept it as a fact for now. So while you might be the best in that one special thing you are probably average or lower at everything else. No wonder that guy failed.I don't think having an IQ that is way above average is something you'd want. You want to be just slightly ahead. Also he mentioned that the predictor for economic success is both IQ and conscientiousness. You are limiting it to IQ only.
@Laquan James you are valuable to all of us, u could have the next idea that saves lives.never limit your self and continue being loving.never let anyone step on you."you are worth much more"
Ironic that intelligence is discussed with someone who said that cows cannot possibly be in competition with desert tortoises because a cow's mouth is up high and a tortoise's mouth is near the ground. Molyneux may have forgotten when he made the comment that cows are able to bend their necks sufficiently so that their mouths reach the ground. And Tortoises are able to eat leaves that are several feet off the ground if the plants grew fast after a rain and have tender stems subject to attack. A turtle can eat those same plants months after a rain, when everything has dried out...if a cow doesn't get there first.
In general I agree, however there’s a possibility this places to much value on cognitive ability as an indicator of success. I’ll submit in this day in age with the rise of the athlete as a sustainable form of success, including all of the support and ancillary occupations, that there are alternative successes for those outside your bell curve. Which at a minimum adds hope to your bleak IQ theory. Food for thought.
He's talking about engineers working in the West, who command high professional-level Western salaries, not factory workers in China and Southeast Asia.
Some choose to believe the comfortable lies instead of wisely accepting the uncomfortable truths. We cannot, as a society, both follow and trust empirical science and conveniently and simultaneously deny it.
Depends on what you mean by "trust" and "denial". Supposing that science were to one day demonstrate that Jews are on average more quisative than non Jews. What would "trusting" and not "denying" this fun scientific factoid imply? Should it impact social policy, etc.?
I remember a study like that supervised by a Plastinian PhD, comparing Plastinian elementary school kids with Jewish kids and according to him the results were always comback no matter what test is with higher scores for Plastinian kids. But at that time many Plastinian Researchers commented on the results as irrelevant when IQ attached to Race
What I have understood from research is that the greatest genetic disparity within the human race can be foundation between African subpopulations. It is not the case that all Africans are more closely related to one another than they are to Europeans, for example. Conclusion: we still have a lot to learn on this subject.
We need to figure this shit out. If we don't, there will always be certain and specific demographics in America that will forever underperform others, and I think we all can agree that sucks.
😊 the fact that we can't is indicative of our collective intelligence as a species. human beings are always looking for a way to feel superior to someone/something else. if the division isn't race, it's sex, if not that it's class and economic standing, if not that it's physical appearance (beauty standards). the problem is vanity, entitlement, and narcissism. it's what drives our core need to compete, which can be good, but also fuels evils such as arrogance, domination, bigotry, clannishness, and jealousy. maybe instead of focusing on who the 'winners' in a race are, we should focus on why we're racing each other to begin with.
IQ is susceptible to environmental factors though. Just look at how education, socio economic status ect.. all enhance, or inhibit the growth of one's IQ.
But in a very specific way. IQ can be affected negatively with environment, not positively. Nutrition, violence, drugs on the mother or father side might remarkably affect the cognitive ability of a person. But there is no way to increase it, otherwise the children of rich kids all would have better performance and they are affected by a genetic lottery as well. The problem is that is hereditable, and it is not understood if you can damage your genetic materia, and how reversible it is.
@@cristianproust There's no way to increase it? What hahaha. See the thing is, by virtue of you admitting that it is malleable to negative environmental factors means that by mitigating those things, the inverse will happen. Beyond that, I have done psychometrics in my undergrad years as a psych student. The Flynn Effect is an example, it is result of crystallised intelligence transferring to fluid intelligence. This means that the more you learn, the bigger your capacity is to learn. Part of IQ is crystallised intelligence, which is what you already know. I don't think you actually understand how IQ works or how it is measured/constructed.
@@gSWG3R Well taking into account that I get paid for thinking (I'm a physicist), that is very unlikely. You, as a typical person from humanities, get seriously confused about mathematical models. There are several ways to approach this: 1. I can take the word of Peterson, a psychologist with an h-index of 52 (that is world class), that is actually one of the most cited in psychometrics (Big Five), which is the question at hand, and in that regard I could ignore your opinion as a random typically confused psychology student. 2. "admitting that it is malleable to negative environmental factors means that by mitigating those things, the inverse will happen" Correct. But that will happen to everyone, so the Gaussian curve reparametrizes itself. Is that not correct? (if I give 10 points to everyone, I rise the scale 10 points and the differences between individuals remain, which is the question at hand). 3."The Flynn Effect is an example, it is result of crystallized intelligence transferring to fluid intelligence" that is just BS. You are obviously making that up. It is exactly the issue. If you could, stimulating the development of crystalize intelligence, increase fluid intelligence, you would have a method to increase IQ. But that is not true. If you don't believe me, I dare you to link a paper, because that would revolutionize education. Any attempts at increasing IQ have been either through artificial effects (people getting good at certain tests, but not increasing cognitive ability), or fall within statistical noise. I could trust Peterson's word over yours, but I prefer to dismantle your BS asking for any reliable proof of such magical effect. It would be lovely if we could pay for making dumb people smart. But that is simply not possible. The ball is on your court. Proof or did not happen.
@@cristianproust Again, cognitive ability is not the only facet of IQ. Again, Jordan Peterson funnily enough loves to froth over unfalsifiable Jungian psychology. Of course you're a JP fan, bahahahaahahha. The Flynn Effect refers to that on average, every 10 years or so, IQ point averages go up by 3 points. The way they figured this out was simply creating standardised metrics to compare generations. Scoring 500 on your GRE or SAT's 20 years ago may only equivocate to a score of 460 today. IQ is a construct, it is not something that you can physically observe or hold. You are a physicist, not a psychometrician. You need to learn the history of IQ and IQ tests to begin with. By the way, James Flynn is still alive, you read his research. I'll even link it and some more in the next comment as I am on my phone. But, just, cringe, don't look to Jordan Peterson for insight to things like IQ, or anything really... Hahahahahahahhahahhaahah.
@@cristianproust www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4152423/#:~:text=The%20%E2%80%9CFlynn%20effect%E2%80%9D%20refers%20to%20the%20observed%20rise%20over%20time,Binet%20and%20Wechsler%20intelligence%20tests. - So, I'm going to guess you as a physicist, did not learn how to read through medical and science journals during your undergrad years? Here's a meta-analysis, which took me less than 5 seconds to find, as I have cited this one myself for previous assignments. Again, I wouldn't expect much from partisan Jordan Peterson fanboys.
there are three major schools of psychometric interpretation and only one supports their view of g and IQ. Iq similar to hieght? Tf you're very ignorant for making this comparison, Iq can't be compared to things like height, hair, eye color, or even skin, because those are single Gene mutations that are identifiable, Iq is millions of genes, it isn't consistent with specific genes. It's hard to explain to a person who doesn't understand genotypes. There are also no studies that prove that IQ is entirely determined by genetics. There are, however, studies that show that monozygotic twins exhibit similarities in IQ above the norm. People like this often like to reference the minesota twins study. Below I have cited two studies which show that 70%, 63% of the variation of genetic twins' IQ in their sample populations is due to their natural variation, meaning that there is some correlation between genetics and IQ. This does not prove that there is a causative relationship between genetics and IQ, but it does strongly suggest that there is some genetic factor that effects the development of IQ. The twins study merely suggest genetic factors in iq, it's not a scientific fact. much like how iq isn't a fixed study, niether is the twins study and the idea that iq is inherited. The 40% to 85% heritability Is loosely speaking and is merely estimation in which if the studies were fixed studies, But then the question comes, weather TRA study findings are or are not generalizable to the non-twin populations
How about teaching boys to build their own shelter and grow their own food using aquaponics and start in junior high. The government could led them the money for materials and a lot when they graduate. Get into trouble and your loan comes due. Like Dylan said "When you ain't got nothin you got nothin to lose." Not everyone can program computers or wants to. And we see what happens in the projects where you have no skin in the game.
I used to like SM but he's clearly okay with the implications of race and IQ, and accepts them as absolute truth. Jordan Peterson has a much more holistic view of human value. SM even laughed a couple of times in this short video. He might as well come out as Authoritarian.
yes, but it's also meaningless. all the discussion of IQ says is that there is variation, and the variation will have different consequences, which is implicitly obvious. heck even Jordan Peterson was born into the world from parents with an IQ likely lower than his. it's a genetic lottery and in that sense, we're all equal because the genes that produce higher IQ's are equally required.
Andrew P Wrong, you weren't listening well enough. We are not all equal....according to the I.Q. test. Jordan Peterson has his I.Q. BECAUSE his parents are Caucasian. He could just as well have been adopted and raised by a family of pygmies and his I.Q. would be nearly the same as it is now. And if J.P. were to adopt a family of pygmies and raise them, their I.Q. would not change much....if any. Of course there will be exceptions and outliers, but this is accepted by many intelligent thinkers. Do you agree? Or would you like to beat me over the head with a club?
Andrew P you apparently didn't listen to his words, or you didn't understand them. In a nutshell, then, genetics has determined every aspect of your body, from height, eye color, race, hair color, skin color, ...and including intelligence! Why is this so hard for you and so many to refute? There will ALWAYS be anomalies at the tail end of the Bell curve. But that is only PART of Dr Petersons point. High IQ may well predict high levels of achievement, but does NOT predict high levels of cognitive consciousness in society directed to gain for society and progression in advancement! As an example, was Hitler a genius? Could be. But what did that lead to? Were Stalin, Lenin, Mao
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My recommendation: let's approach this from a purely methodological and logical point of view. 1. It would seem difficult to deny that intelligence is in some significant way heritable. 2. In many practical contexts, group differences in average scores simply don't matter: the problems faced by an East Asian with an IQ of 85 are exactly the same as those faced by a person of African descent with an IQ of 85. 3. We shouldn't be too hasty to generalize about group differences: I wish we had historical data going back over a much longer period of time! 4. Humans are developmental creatures, and the period from birth to age 3 is crucial--are we also looking at some pattern in this crucial period of development? 4. Caution is warranted by the fact that statistics can only tell us that these differences are non-random; we need more specific research to tell us about causality.
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You have obviously not studied this topic much. There are no Asians with IQ of 85!
How do you fix or even overlook the fact that some people have IQs derived from tens of thousands of years of living a totally secluded tribes. Tribes that would kill any other people that crossed their paths and breeding was 100% pure incest with other relatives over as much as a hundred and fifty thousand years. It's referred to as the pressure cooker effect. The tribes would grow to several thousand members only to have there numbers die off from war, famine or disease starting the cycle all over again.
IQ was not designed to rank people in the way we use it; nevertheless, Mr. Peterson's hypothesis is supportable. My addition, here, is to follow up on his point that an 83 IQ as the rejection point for the US Army. In recent years, the IQ in Saudi Arabia has jumped from 78 to 84. This is the national average! The intelligence problem of Arabia may be the cultural acceptance of inbreeding and, at the same time, having many children./// Many comments, here, confuse stupidity, immorality, and laziness with intelligence or, at least, fall back on those ideas to defend happy think. These folks should consider EQ, the emotional quotient. FYI: psychcentral.com/lib/what-is-emotional-intelligence-eq/
Caution caution caution caution caution.....this attitude led to the subject becoming a taboo. Stop it. Investigate it just like anything else, use the scientific method, use reason and stop being an apologist.
History shows that a high IQ does not stop people from being gullible or easily influenced by persuasive ideologies which are inherently destructive or anti-social.
Yes, this is a quite frightening fact. People who lack emotional intelligence and ability to see what is morally right or wrong can be very easily influenced. I have a sibling like that and their view of reality is frightening.
Sad fact indeed
Yes, this was proven by scientists and college profs in Nazi Germany. They had high IQs I suppose but were fooled by the Nazis.
@@kennethsumerford3480 What? Fooled into experimenting on women and children? You have to believe in your own personal superiority to do that.
@ @@kennethsumerford3480 The racial policies implemented in Nazi Germany were largely a product of the times, heavily influenced by American thinking on eugenics, shaped by racial scientists funded by American entrepreneurs such as Carnegie, Rockefeller, Harriman and their trusts. Curiously, many universities in Germany were shut down after World War I due to lack of funding but some were kept alive by injections of cash from American benefactors such as Carnegie, and it was in these universities that their theories on racial superiority flourished, fuelled by journal articles published in the US about the need to sterilise the unfit, Jews, gypsies, morons, hillbillies, and others. Hitler modelled many of their racial laws on legislation passed in the states and praised the authors of racial studies by letter. The eugenics movement was also popular in the UK. I would say, fooled by 'science' and the wool it can pull over your eyes when science is poorly conceived, poorly applied, and lacking an ethical centre which is based on respect for human life.
At the end of the day, the important thing is to enjoy life and be as productive as you can be!
Sartre plagiarized my unborn self for too long i also said be as productive as you can. Having some meaningful goals is important but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t go out and have adventures and enjoy life.
The rate of productivity has been placed on my robot now i just enjoy life
Jamaica me crazy
Sartre plagiarized my unborn self for too long Your life being meaningless nor ripe with obstacles is completely immaterial to whether you ought to be happy. Gtfo noob.
@@sartreplagiarizedmyunborns9104 How is enjoying life and being as productive as possible meaningless? Wtf are you talking about?
I can’t believe this is still on YT. This was back when you could actually discuss real topics without getting banned
Yes, white nationalists like Stefan Molyneux were free to discuss race and IQ with super duper definitely not racist intellectuals like Jordan Peterson. If JP wants to discuss this racist crap he should have right too. What do we want, free speech! When do we want, now!
What's that you say? We are literally watching him do that in this video? That there are countless videos on TH-cam about race and IQ. That JP has talked about this on a consistent basis since he became a, ahem, public intellectual. That makes no sense as we all know free speech is dead. What do we want, free speech! When do we want it, now!
Everyone watching this thinks they have higher than average iq
Lmao
I've taken the tests.
Well I think that having a higher than average IQ makes it more likely you'd listen to someone like Jordan Peterson in the first place
I don't think I have it, I know I have it. Big difference. There's an intuitive knowledge independent from conceptualization, people who have it don't really think about it much.
@Anon El
Your own attitude and grammar debunks that quite obviously
Well... my grandfather immigrated from Greece at age 14 to Ellis island. At the time you had to be 16 with a guardian or 18 without. He was 6'-2" and said he was 18. He had a 6 th grade education, and I have a masters degree. He could do just about anything and was a lot smarter than I will ever be.
@@jaquesstrappe7664 civil engineering
Big difference between book IQ and experience and common sense IQ
My low IQ cat lives a life that appears more satisfying than that of any human I’ve ever known.
Absolutely hilarious 😁😌🤣😁😀😂😄😃😅😆🤗
How do you know the cat has a low I.Q ???? ..... sounds like kitty has you doing their bidding ...... cant be to dumb .
Ignorance is bliss, too bad bliss is just delusion...
The eccentric tendencies of genius are associated with mental illness, your cat is dumb calm and in bliss.
Yeah. Now imagine if they didnt have a welfare state to parasite off of.
The low IQ people live pretty satisfying lives too. Until we stop letting them be freeloaders.
So in other words with out the Asian and European engineers the ashkenazie would still be nomadic tribes with a gift to gab.
The Ashkenazi are still a mostly nomadic tribe with a gift for gab.
@@yorkshire_tea_innit8097if you completely ignore that Jews are responsible for some of the biggest breakthroughs in science
I read an article stating that warmer climates have been shown to be detrimental to IQ over time. There are many factors that go into intelligence and common sense, it's a very complex issue.
Maybe because it takes deeper logical thinking and forward planning to be able to survive during the winter months each year, which would've been harder the further back in time you go. Lower IQ people either didn't make it or simply moved somewhere warmer.
In a tropical climate you can live for today, when you're hungry, just pick up your spear and go hunt a deer or something with the boys or gather some fruits and nuts. No need for any long term planning as you can pretty much find game year-round. Also you don't need to innovate ways to keep warm and insulate your shelter against freezing temperatures, in fact the more light and flimsy the material the better because it disperses heat better. Tribes have been living this way for millennia.
When it comes to heat, compared to a cold winter where you have nothing to do but sit indoors, you'll start to think and reflect as you look out into the gloomy snowy weather, you'll think about anything, which can then stimulate creativity and problem-solving. Whereas a hot humid environment is not conducive to deep thinking at all as you'll start to become restless and agitated when you start getting too hot and as heat stress increases you'll start to experience increased irritability, loss of concentration and ability to do mental tasks, skilled tasks or heavy work.
The brain is like a muscle, if your mental faculties like deep thinking and problem solving are not used, over time it becomes dull.
@@_--Reaper--_This assessment is already lightyears ahead of the understanding of the so-called "race realists," who essentially state that groups differ in their cognitive performance for no reason and that the difference is solid and immutable across time regardless the conditions and selective pressures at work.
_"When ameasure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure."_
-From *Goodhart's law*
Don't judge people from IQ, you're supposed to learn from measuring the subject to better your own values. Not objectify its personal worth from the idea that IQ dictates everything. Because it doesn't. Check it out from this Wikipedia.
» Link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law
But it does predict success because success in western culture is mainly predicted by 2 factors, IQ and conscientiousness.
@@annsheridan12 succes in western cultures is predicted by primitive accumulation
@@laurioho2041 nope! IQ and conscientiousness are the 2 main factors.
@@laurioho2041 so how do Asian Americans, Nigerian Americans, West Indian Americans have higher average incomes than whites?
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And here he is ..IQ below 83
What?
This is a good example of "down the rabbit hole". excessive intellectualization - there is absolutely no end to rationalizations and the traps that sounding eloquent can bring.
Stop being racist
What does "excessive intellectualization" mean?
@@americancitizen748 It means thinking too much lol. We must accept what the Twitter mob tell us and move on
You are the low IQ that they are talking about
No it's not. To not see the racial iq differences is ignoring the screaming obvious. It is what it is no matter how uncomfortable it is.
Maybe there are a lot of factors that might positively influence IQ especially at a young age. A healthy diet, regular exercise, a multi lingual environment, financial solvency, witty inter generational conversations, challenging games such as go and chess, playing musical instruments, singing, dancing, problem solving tasks, travel etc. Surely without such experiences, intelligence stagnates to some degree?
Possibly the even more important is the environment within the womb. So a MOTHER that is healthy, doesn’t smoke, doesn’t drink, exercises, and eats healthy. Which may be why we are those in poverty generating more people of lower IQs, because they make poorer life choices even before their child is born.
Nope! The Colorado Adoption project scientifically proves it’s genetic and environment has no effect.
There's a book called "race differences in intelligence", i just read it so I'm yet to verify and put under scrutiny the data that's referenced, but if it's right it means that intelligence is mainly attributed to your race (there are more than 3 or 4 btw the book uses 9) which is honestly terrifying to think about. If you analyze the eastern asians (japanese, Chinese, south korean) population they always have around a range of 99-105 IQ as long as they have the appropriate nourishment, europeans have a range of 87-105, and lowest ones are australian aboriginals at 48-62.
Witty intergenera .....WTF? Get a grip
@@joaogarcia6170 The evidence is biased because both the West and the East created those tests in order to feel superior to those from other nations and cultures.
Why are Aboriginal people given a lower IQ Score when the case is not farfetched when someone writes a test under Strenoeous conditions.
Testing methods do not mean anything even for the Baccalaureate Exams of the Francophone System from Togo or Cote D Ivoire.
Aren't Africans the most genetic diverse group of people in the world (excluding the Americas)? East Africans look different than West Africans and South Africans...how does one get a complete genetic profile of the whole race?
He is lunatic white supremacist
I think politicians avoid this topic mainly because it inevitably leads to a conversation about whether or not you should have to reach an IQ threshold to vote. If i ruled the world not only would that be a definite yes, but you would have to show an understanding of specific issues on the line, and the stance each candidate has on them. As bill burr said, if you didnt bring a pencil youre already out!
That, my friend, is a very easy way to get yourself some rigged elections! “you have to show an understanding of specific issues,” can easily turn into a test to root out people that disagree with your politics further down the line.
Please do not become a politician!
Every time I hear Jordan discuss IQ differences of different ethnicities, he uses to positive example of the Ashkenazi Jewish population, which I think is calculated and a smart thing to do.
I think we all know his career would be over if he were to use any other example... we know which one im talking about.
@Metanoia They are just white nationalists that think they are somewhat smart.
Metanoia I guess scientific truths are just too much for you to swallow huh.
@@---cl9qf which one is that?
@@---cl9qf just remember who was the primary people who was considered for Robert McNamara program called "Project 100,000" The “typical” Project 100,000 recruit was Caucasian in his early 20s and a high school dropout with sixth grade reading and mathematics abilities, an Forrest Gump type of person
I think I should point out here that although someone may be low IQ, they could have other exemplary traits such as toughness, loyalty, honesty, hard work, commitment etc. etc. In general, I do think that high IQ is a benefit, but in the west today there seems to be developing a sort of snobbiness, laziness and general disdain for the "less intelligent." that is far out of line with what fruits intelligence can actually bring. There is something of a curse for smart people and that curse is that being smart they believe that they "have it all figured out" and that they can pull a fast one on "stupid people." This exaggerated love of intelligence has almost gone so far as to equate intelligence with morality. This is something akin to a "might is right" sort of approach to the world since a lot of times you very much can get ahead easier if you are intelligent. There's actually a long history of this of course because in the past many, many intelligent people were able to rule "absolutely" over the illiterate masses using whatever propaganda they could churn out. Those days, I hope, are going to be fewer and fewer though as us "stupid" people are able to share experiences and data with each other over the internet.
Assume separation by putting individuals with certain "characteristics" into social constructs and see if you can maintain a friendly, peaceful and happy attitude. That is the ultimate purpose of all beings, to be at peace and to be happy(to have wellbeing).
I agree, but with that being said I feel like the whole discussion of IQ brings out people (who themselves probably have high IQ and work a white collar job) who think that it’s unfair that someone who has a lower IQ works as a ditch digger. The ditch digger him (or herself) was probably peaceful and content with their life until someone pointed out that they were somehow working an insufficient job. Sometimes just leaving people alone and letting them be happy allows society to function just fine on its own. Not everyone is meant to be a CEO and not everyone should be a ditch digger, this is why people come of different levels of ability. I believe that if one thing is certain it is that there is never any shame in an honest days work.
@@amberbough15 Yeah that sounds about right.
@@amberbough15
I don’t think the problem is that we have both ditch diggers and CEOs.
It’s that, while the ditch digger struggles to put a roof over his family’s head or food in their stomachs, let alone survive a two month illness without becoming bankrupt, the CEO struggles not to buy a third home, a second yacht or a brand new Tesla for his daughter’s 16th birthday.
@@q.e.d.9112 you realize it's not a guarantee that a business makes money, right? it takes work and though to not only keep a business running, but to keep from losing money (which means less jobs for you), let alone make a profit to hopefully expand (which means more jobs for you).
@@AustinKoleCarlisle
Of course I do. I’m also old enough to remember when a skilled tradesman could raise kids and have a house and a car and his wife looked after the kids. Now they both have to work just to stay afloat. The highest paid CEOs used to get something like 20 times what their workers got. Now it’s closer to 400 times.
So why did Molyneux get cancelled but not Peterson or Sam Harris?
Shill
Because he uses pseudo science to explain his drivel
He concentrated on the topic much more than they did ,plus his emphasis is on group differences, I just read about how many ways they've tried to shut him down
because he places way too much emphasis on a subject matter that can have dire consequences if promoted in the wrong way and left unchecked. It is a very slippery slope to eugenics, racism, oppressions, genocide, etc. It's basically pseudo scientific racism.
@@ultradevon04 Right. Because censoring sensitive topics is the best way to prove they are wrong.
So IQ does not measure ability to perform specific tasks. So what?
Egalitarianism more or less assumes everyone is equal to everyone else. In what way are they equal? Height? Weight? IQ? Sensitivity to pain? Motivation? Experience? Environment? What does it mean for all men to be equal? Does it means all men have the same genetic makeup, the same set of experiences under identical circumstances, and interactions with the same individuals. All men are definitely not equal before the law as they clearly have different capacities to either represent themselves or access skilled representation. The proposition that "all men are equal" seems meaningless and absurd upon even the most cursory examination. Any nation founded upon such an absurdity is likely to perish unless it admits the error and corrects it. A proposition more likely to be true is "all men are very likely unique but definitely not equal in any nontrivial sense." (PS: if peoples' heights could be instantaneously measured to the nearest angstrom, there may be a significant probability that no two individuals out of the nearly 8 billion now living would even have the same height at that instant.) Equality as it relates to a set of unique individuals is meaningless bullshit.
I wonder how these two would reconcile Asians having high spatial intelligence to the stereotype about them being bad drivers?
well the stereotype is nonsense
Smart people are not obssessed with competition with other races. Life is not determined by cognitive abilities alone. Example - human society.
However in western , cognitively complex , society success I’d mainly determined by IQ and conscientiousness.
Individuality, creativity, and common sense are where it's at. The concept of the intellect fosters narcissism, and favoritism. All of us are created equal.
No we are NOT created equal. Envy and jealousy are self-destructive traits. Accept the fact that there are people out there who were born smarter than you, or taller than you, or faster than you, or more attractive than you. Their positive traits do not come at a cost to YOU unless you make it so.
While some do better and others worse what evidence is there that intelligence is being measured by IQ tests? Merely labeling a test as an intelligence test does not mean it measures what it purports to measure. So, I would be interested in seeing the rationale for the design of the tests and the history of their development as well. Additionally, one wonders if there are not various forms of intelligence which these tests do not measure because cultural conditioning makes such other forms of intelligence hard to see or relegates them to a lesser status due to current contrived cultural norms of success. Any testing to be valid has to be both repeatable and validly measure what it purports to measure. One wonders why various IQ tests exist if each is supposed to measure IQ. I had heard for instance that one needs to achieve a specific score on one of several tests to become a mensa member. How many standard deviations in measurement are found among the various tests, does it matter at what age they are taken, what if eye sight is poor or the environment too hot or cold, there are myriad factors that are of potential influence, etc. To me it seems these are foundational questions which have to be addressed carefully. One of the first with regard to this video would be how to define race and whether such a thing is fluid and to what extent. Is it merely observable skin color and a collection of physical features? Is it rightfully called race to begin is tribe a better descriptor? Are there sub-tribes or sub-races? How are these rigorously defined? If it is all so genetic then one should be able to separate groups by genetic means alone, but again what are we really measuring? One should remember that correlation does not prove causality. For example, just because all Leftists die does not mean they die because they are Leftist, (well at least until they establish their self-consuming utopias like Venezuela).
Pattern recognition and logical progression are what is being measured and IQ scores are a good indication that you will be able to understand a complex process, reverse engineer it, and improve on it. Creativity and social skills are not measured. I'll give you that But this IQ test or racist ish is getting ridiculous
I wonder how trivial our cognitive differences would seem to an advanced alien species
Stop being racist
An advanced alien specices would have high IQ, which means they would *know* that it's *not* trivial, at all, and would know it's the most important factor of life.
I can't take Stefan seriously when he says Jews don't make good engineers, when they have a space program and industries in pretty much all areas of technology.
I can't take Molyneux seriously. Period.
The taboo subject of race & IQ helped me see the evening news as a documentation of low IQ, not race or sex.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence it's not a taboo subject. It's just that the nazi, the lobster and you, the bald guy are comically uninformed. You might wanna read up.
The Bell Curve by Herrnstein and Murray is a wonderful book that tells us, through scientific data and using logic, the relationships between IQs and several other things. So if you have an IQ of 90 to 110 you are average and can do most jobs if you have the proper education, training and work ethic. But you should not try to be a physicist or mathematician, which would waste a lot of your time and effort. Most people probably hate the book because it does not make them feel good. But if you want to be a pro basketball player you must be at least 6' 1" and have a lot of basketball practice and skills. And people are not offended at that.
An example of “life is neither fair nor just “
Ever hear of Allen Iverson ?
also race. race plays a huge factor in IQ.
Racial IQ theories have been debunked time and time again. IQ tests are too biased and flawed to make huge generalizations about entire populations.
For example, take Indians:
In India, the average IQ a few decades ago was listed at just 82.
In the US, Indian-Americans have the highest average IQ of any group, at 112.
That's a huge contradiction right there. It's the same race of people, yet there's a huge 30 IQ difference between Indians living in India and America. Clearly, this demonstrates that social, cultural, nutritional and environmental factors play a much bigger role in determining IQ than race.
Um, I think it's just that the smarts Indians can get into US universities and get tech jobs in the US? No race is dumb across the board, there are geniuses of every race.....
@@mistercaptain6102 So why don't racists accept the same explanation for Chinese or Mexicans? Only Chinese who are highly educated and who excel in study come to America. The vast majority stay in China as farmers. Conversely, the majority of Mexican immigrants are people with low economic resources, most of them without studies and who did not have the opportunity to educate themselves. On the other hand, there is evidence that the gap between African Americans and whites is closing and is now 0.66 SD.
I disagree. Today there is increasing evidence that courage is becoming the defining trait of success. Machines/ai are able to look at more and more probabilities and patterns. Ofcourse the highest levels of IQ will still be important, since these are people that design the ai to begin with. But the problem with poverty due to lower employability of a lower IQ person was first restricted only to the low IQ. Now it is quickly catching up to the moderate levels... at the same time we have become risk averse and soft.
Now it is the courage to take the risk which is skewing the success rates.
Well said, a willingness to take risk and outright mental toughness can overcome IQ, but match a high IQ with those two former qualities? Now that is a winning combination. Unfortunately, you are right, people in the western world are becoming outright, and pardon my crude language, but they are turning into pussies who demand the government coddle them. These people are destined to fail, High IQ, or low, seems to be less of a determining factor when you cannot even face the basic harshness that life continually throws at the individual....
To the bold goes the gold 💯
Brilliant I have always known it’s the courageous who run the world. The “intelligent” will run the numbers and choose safety over risk every time. Think of the courage it takes to start a business and the financial freedom if you make it. An intelligent person will be safe and become a doctor or lawyer but will never have the kind of money a Bezos has.
Look what they're doing to the adventurous risk taking European men.
I'm an educator. I have said we should IQ test kids in Kindergarten, 3rd and 5th grades to build an index to measure their progress. We gave a standardized test years ago measured in quartiles. We panicked when our students scored a 1 or 2 on the test, but without an IQ score we could not honestly say whether the kid did well or not.
It would be better to tell a student and parent that college is off the table in elementary school and focus on skills the kid can learn. Hell, a plumber makes very good money nowadays. Better that, than alienating the kid for 12 years thinking he's going to be a doctor when he can't learn algebra.
You should be ashamed to call yourself a teacher
you're a really bad teacher then if you think IQ is an actual measure of anything significant.
Last I checked school was about challenging its students and pushing them to their fullest potential. As an educator you know that. In this scenario, even if that kid never becomes a doctor he gains important knowledge and skill in that pursuit. If you tell him up front that he’ll never be able to become a doctor, he’d never get that experience. The “why bother?” mentality is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Twin studies reliably show that environment can cause up to a 25 point difference in IQ. There is a way to massively increase IQ and we haven't figured it out yet.
Yes but it’s the non shared and probably non social environment.
I'm interested in taking an IQ test (A real one and the unofficial ones that float around online) Can anyone share links for a few online versions so that I can get a general idea of where I fall on spectrum?
Also can anyone share any data or studies concerning the topic of IQ and race?
An aside: What's always seems strange and somewhat disappointing to me is that IQ doesn't account for certain intangible or immesurable aspects of "intelligence" or that perhaps we have a limited understanding of the manifestations of intelligence? Idk.
Ruth M. IQtest.dk and cerebrals.org. I said take a hardest but rather take JCTI. It is more about problem-solving.
You have to have the test administered by a professional to get an accurate number as far as I know. Mensa is the most popular test. They have an online test too, which is probably the best alternative to an in-person test. www.us.mensa.org/join/mht/.
To my knowledge there are different types of intelligence, but they're strongly correlated. If you are high in one type, you're probably high in other types. This correlation is attributed to something called the g factor. Because of the g factor, IQ testing is accurate enough to be useful. Intelligence isn't understood perfectly, but it has been studied formally for over 100 years.
Good point, Ruth M. Also it seems that the test must have at least some biases.
+Ruth M. I would also check out Philippe Rushton's lectures on racial studies on American Renaissance. His debate w/ David Suzuki at a Canadian university is fascinating too, as he goes into physical and reproductive advantages that black people have, which shows the studies to be pretty well rounded in pluses and minuses across the races. Suzuki sadly has no real argument besides, why bother? and that's racist.
IQ can be temporarily lower. When I was younger, I lived in such an intense environment that I only thought about how to survive today, never tomorrow and that limited my thinking and I even thought I was dumb. However, when I had a chance to get some education, I was surprised at how quickly and continually I excelled academically!
Every time I watch TH-cam cat videos and politicians on TV, I start to drool.
Yeah, it can be temporarily lowered. For example, if you are starving, it goes down but then back up when you are well fed. That said, there is a cap for a person who is well fed, rested, and comfortable. Healthy only goes to raise IQ to your biological potential and no more.
It’s the computer , brain. You were born with. 🤗👍🏻
The difference between my first and second school applied tests is 40 points. One happened in divorce, hunger, and ridiculous abuse.
I'm tipping stefan has a copy of his iq results framed and hung.
@Terence Not to mention that his level of Dunnin-Kruger is immense
@@sirjanska9575 Damn dude, if you are going to accuse someone of bias, at least spell it right. Not to be a grammar-nazi, but it's Dunning-Kruger.
@@exaltedfox You must be fun at parties
....but he'll never talk about his athleticism yet he's obsessed with masculinity.
When you think of all the implications of isolating IQ as a criterion to judge human potential, it leaves me to conclude, this is an unnatural way to proceed.
yeah, standard tests are bad. Everyone is a unique flower. No, I'm serious, stop looking at me.
You have it backwards. Isolating IQ is already mapped closely with successful outcomes. Your suggestion to ignore IQ wouldn't change that outcome for the better. It might result in worse outcomes. For example, if we could get accurate IQ tests for all or most children, we could track them into education paths that maximize their skillsets and avoid having a high IQ person slip through the cracks to waste away in some educational backwater that doesn't foster their development.
@@tiananman That's an idea that would probably unite both pro-American nationalists and the social justice warriors against IQ tests. Most pro Americans I know are raised with the belief that no matter your class or racial background, if you work hard enough you can achieve your dreams. It doesn't say anything about IQ. Admittedly this of course is probably more myth than reality, but it is at its core an American ideal. Myths and/or ideals can lead to a powerful motivation to succeed. Now the social justice warriors dislike of IQ tests are something else altogether. If one or more demographic groups were to receive similar IQ results they would immediately classify IQ tests as racist. They would literally cause riots or try to destroy people or organizations that promoted IQ tests. I think the idea you present would be more welcomed in countries in Asia.
@@richardmyers1506 I guess I don't concern myself with how SJWs or nationalists or other (very) marginal groups might view a policy.
Richard Myers nationalists tend to be very concerned with this idea, some of the only people in politics talking about it. On a real note the thing you have to realize is we possess an economy that’s shifting at light speed away from relying on pure labor for productivity towards one that rewards intelligence instead. It’s going to become harder and harder to just work your way to success without innate intellectual benefits. That’s the concern at hand here. When we know a trait like this is becoming more and more predictive of success in our society, and we know it’s largely hereditary, shouldn’t we do something about it?
Concerning the pervasive tendency to shrink from confronting the IQ problem head-on, I have coined the following dictum: Well-intentioned reliance on error cedes the truth to sinister uses.
As someone from post-communism country, let me tell you this idea. The historical events that kept people away from education, self exploration and diversity of thought have the impact to this day. Even though IQ testing shows higher results by average in one race than the other, very important historical and social aspects should be taken into consideration. First - the structure of the IQ test. Those in western world have no doubt taken it and found it pretty normal test. Someone who has little idea about how our system works might be branded 'stupid'. Secondly, historically some regions have evolved into technocratic societies while some regions of the world still live roughly the same for centuries, how can we expect the same results from both? I would love to see some tribal people making their own version of the IQ test in passing it into the world to show their 'superiority'.
You know what does work to increase IQ? Early intervention.
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No. Environmental factors only account for the degree to which a person fulfills their potential for cognitive ability, their "IQ roof" so to speak, and that limit depends on genetic factors.
No.
Henry Trenter That’s true but misleading. The environmental differences are unsystematic and highly idiosyncratic.
Good environment helps us reach our potential, but only genetics is going to help me be 7 ft. Tall.
How does one quantify those who have an extremely high IQ in one context...ie. verbal... and an IQ on the sub-normal scale in math etc., or vice versa ?
Yes I have wondered about how you measure what we may call an "Idiot Savant".It's part of what makes me think the whole IQ methodology is bogus.
I had my IQ formally assessed as a University student. I received my results. The report stated my overall IQ score as well as the scores I received for each specific skill that was assessed. Those report are how people can see the breakdown of their scores.
Molyneux needs a comeback!!!!
yes, I'm surprised this video isn't banned
He isn't so hard to find... Makes a ton of videos on his channels.
@@Regine_H what are they
I’m out of the loop
Hell yeah. He could be a bit much and neurotic at times, but I never wanted to see him banned not just from TH-cam but the internet it would seem. Is he on Rumble or Twitter? And if not, why not.
Considering the different expectations we have on a 120 IQ woman vs an 80 IQ male, IQ doest seem very interesting. Maybe we just adapt to existing barriers.
It's obvious that we have different physical abilities, so why is it such a shock that we have different mental abilities? By the way, I know many Jewish scientists and engineers, although not any architects.
If you would like to be specific about the physical abilities I will then show you why you cannot compare physical abilities like running down a track to something as complex as intelligence. Or having a big dick. It is so interesting how everyone is so smart with analyzing the data that they failed to question the validity of the data in the first place. If the data is contaminated then all analysis of it would be polluted. Of course Asians IN AMERICA have a higher IQ, go and do the same test in Asia and see what you get. Ask yourself about what is wrong with the test and why it gives these results.
Sadly you can’t fix stupid.
I don’t mean that in a derogatory way.
Neuroplasticity is Real perhaps we could create some kind of Medication or gene modifications. Research must be done.
Naaah....why.?
I had a brother that was tested lower IQ ..and he loved baseball..he was a slow reader..but read every book he could on baseball..his athletic abilities were tops..he decided to coach little league baseball and ran a net with the other coaches..the bet was that would take every boy they rejected in the try outs....and take them to number one in the state..
He won his bet and ended up taking his team to number one in 2 different states. His special ability was strategy and assess people playing each player to their strongest area..I truly admire that mr peterson has a well functioning brain that is trainable like a dog vs s cat..but I seriously doubt he could pull me out of a burning building..cudos
It's great to hear he accomplished so much despite the iq issue.
@@immortaljanus honestly that Iq test is a huge farce in many ways ..it fails to measure human potential.and there are many many types of intelligence..the estimated Einstein would have score very low on an IQ test.he great gift was his enormous ability to focus and concentrate..I notice in recent years the text books have changed the narratives..but I trust the original story myself as so much is being politicized in the past 40 years at best
yes this story shows that the achieving your persoal goals is most important but unfortunely my goal neds high inteligence soo...
I think everyone coming to watch these kinds of videos come here specifically to validate their ideas on IQ and race and to box each race in their little IQ boxes so they don`t have to think about the potential of the individual. It is just another form of identity politics and tribalism.
Dear Micheal drugs and TV is bad for you !
Someone who gets it.
So, a hundred years of massive research by the US Armed Forces, along with many others, an organization desperate to find ways to utilize every able body person they can find, means nothing to you? Sorry that your ill-informed precognitive commitments prevent you from accepting facts about the world around you.
@@svengalilord Okay good point but I have a good some good counters.
1. For one there are about 6 scientifically proven ways to raise you're IQ
2. IQ is only about 60-70% (at the very most lower being more realistic) genetic.
3. IQ is just one small way of measuring intelligence and does not take into account many things the least of which being artistic abilities.
4. The brain is good at what it does most often if you farm ad live a simple poor life style with a lack of books it makes sense for the brain to prioritize your everyday lifestyle in short poor to no educating what's so ever would result in a low IQ as your brain would have little need to solve puzzles.
5. I doesn't matter how long the government has studied something they can still be wrong our brain are like video games they have adjusted settings to task easier like muscle memory the average IQ in India is a mere 80 I'm (can you guess why?) there's a lot to be learned about IQ and intelligence period, For one the Scientist need to stop being unfair comparing uneducated struggling village kids to well fed, Japanese, and Jewish, etc kids who've had top tier or descent educating their whole life.
@@svengalilord Btw for a major portion of time during that hundred years whites were viewed as being supreme, or superior, to all others there was a may still be a great bias so keep that noted that as well Blacks back then were at a severe, disadvantage and there are a few more things that makes IQ higher culture and written language.
I tested a kid before addiction treatment, score low 80s and after high 130s. What's that mean
interesting.. what you did ?
What a stupid question....a feckin genius when doped up will probably score low....? What do you expect .
It means the drugs were making you dumb. I was on epilepsy drugs in my youth, IQ:100. I had brain surgery to remove the growth to stop the seizures, I got off the drugs and my IQ was 123.
It means you're a moron for not knowing that being ducked up on drugs reduces your ability to think and problem solve.
Never separated the genetics from the environment and - above all - culture.
Why?
Who needs IQ when you can keep up with the Kardashians!?
Stefan never shuts up, he invites people and gabs the whole time. I don't like his ideas to boot
Well you cant judge iq by ethnicity or race there are always some special people among so called " lower races " ethnicity and race doesn't matter sometimes
It is weird that he recommends self-improvement but in the same time argues that IQ is genetic.
it's almost like he has no idea what he's talking about xD IQ isn't strictly hereditary. And it's a complex issue. Too complex for the braindamaged lobster demagogue. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
yeah its almost like iq aint real
Self improvement is vital for people, no matter what IQ they have.
He’s repeating what the data shows..
He already said low iq people can be trained to become really good at a task. This is all that is needed for most jobs. Not general intelligence.
Studies of IQ by profession have shown that TH-cam pundits rank near the bottom. To compensate, many resort to pretentious pseudo-intellectualism.
Good one. Yikes, I just commented.
Pretentious pseudo-intellectualism ,bi-polar disorder and low IQ are requirements for Leftist humanities depts.
hahaha XD
This concept resonates specifically with those in the audience holding an IQ within the range of 83 to 93. It's comfortable to feel more intelligent than lesser homo sapiens and listening to these two pretenders helps to alleviate self loathing.
S Bassett how ridiculous. These two are not your average. And if you know about averages, any study of you tube punditry is irrelevant since it covers so many different subjects.
I get it but at the same time I don't get it. So there are some people who are more intelligent than other people, I don't see the big deal. This is true about any random measurement. As far as the race part goes, I always wonder how race is determined. Race itself is not as cut and dry as the color of your skin or where you're from. The percentage of our genetic make up that determines our race, as we know it is very minute, and today there is no one who is purely white, or purely black, or etc. If it's true that intelligence is fixed, which I mostly believe, then what's all the uproar about. It's like height and we don't get all up and in arms about height. Lastly, I think we have to be careful with using race and iq so much. You can choose any category and show disparity. Left handed v Right hand, tall v short, blue eyes v brown eyes. One group will always come out more intelligent than the other. I think just because some of the early pioneers of iq were obsessed with race and iq I dont think we need to make that same mistake in the 21st century
Race and iq psuedo science has been debunked over and over again. some of the greatest minds and much of the knowlege that was built was created in africa.
IKR. White people are cared because the world is turning brown. Sorry people, need to accept it.
And we'll all be better for it.
Individuals have different sets of abilities, and to the extent that each individual can be aimed at the ideal 'job' things will work much better. IQ has meaning, but it is a peculiar one, and not exactly 'intelligence'.
As a black guy alot of these facts make me wanna die lol.
Well you're probably on the high end of your group's IQ curve.
I like how Stephan, whatever his name is, tried to reduce Peterson to his level, Peterson being the intellectual, the true intellectual that he is, danced around it although he could have been more direct and clarifying the distinction between him and the idiot also known as Molyneux.
40% of Googles workforce is Asian which includes South Asians as well. I would say most of those are Indians not East Asians. You just blatantly lied.
I bet you its the top stratum that immigrate here, and contribute to indias brain drain
Google has a lot of buildings and rooms that need cleaned and swept, hence why they have so many east asians.
I'm pretty sure they have lots of east asians as well.
@@Gabbargaamada True but the Indians that immigrate to the US almost always have a triple digit IQ.
Yeah, I've always been interested in this kind of thing. A big interest of mine (from JP's teachings) is also the lack of meaning and purpose that many young men have in their lives...that can push them to turn to party culture, binge drinking, and all kinds of impulsive behavior. Me being in college, it's everywhere. Seriously. If you don't go out and party almost every night, you're not "cool" to those people who do. Except zoom out and look at the larger picture...most of those people are the ones with lower IQs. And for some time, I've been focused on coming up with ideas on how to end the out-of-control party culture in young adulthood and help these people make better decisions and have a real vision for their lives. But the cold hard truth is that if they have a very low IQ, there's almost nothing you can do to change their mindset. We might be able to make a little progress, but many of these people will simply not be able to understand that their party culture lifestyle is wrong and bad for them and for society and they won't change it no matter what. It's a really unfortunate thing.
What may be a factor in these youngsters' behaviour is lack of emotional intelligence (EQ) rather than IQ. Many times when people act in foolish and shortsighted and even downright self-destructive ways, it is as a result if unresolved emotional issues or an inability to understand and process their emotions.
Actually the army a century ago determined that anyone with an IQ below 85 could not be trained to do anything that was not counterproductive.
People needs to remember that the same arguments made against blacks , Latinos and Arabs , used to be made against Asians , then slowly retracted as several Asian nations economy developed . Starting with Japan ofc , then south Korea ... People needs to reme
and they always get revised once the economy is developed enough , but of course as Chomsky mentioned ( and Ha joon chang in his brilliant book Bad Samaritans ) It's a useful tool so you don't consider the social , economical and policy background , as more often than not they are inconvenient to the guy spewing that bullshit
1:10 so the difference in IQ between ethnicities renders Molyneaux ‘heartbroken’ - like hell. He loves it. Rubbing his hands together with glee ‘oh look we are better after all’.
Not sure I agree with your view of Molyneaux, but Thomas Sowell points out IQ can change within 2 generations. Long story short, you provide a solid education to the under performing group and in 2 generations you can see measurable differences.
@@exaltedfox wrong
@@exaltedfox Kinda. The Flynn effect only works so much and eventually flattens.
0:59 // JP, wrong regarding IQ! - Surveys found that the I.Q.'s of later‐arriving groups - Polish, Jewish and Italian rose over the decades until today they equal or exceed the national average.
This historical pattern is not confined to minorities of European ancestry. Chinese‐ and Japanese‐Americans also had lower‐than average I.Q.'s in earlier surveys, but today both exceed the U.S. average in I.Q., as well as in other socioeconomic indicators. - Thomas Sowell
You are describing the Flynn effect. For those born and raised in developed countries today, there is no known way to raise a persons IQ.
@@mrglasses8953 you are right. Not.
“Our results suggest that family socioeconomic status (SES) impacts children's development of intelligence from infancy through adolescence. Children of the highest and lowest SES backgrounds were on average separated by 6 IQ points at the age of 2 years. By the age of 16, the IQ gap had almost tripled (Fig. 2). Thus, children from more disadvantaged families not only did worse than their peers in early intelligence tests but their intelligence handicap amplified over time, suggesting a long-term agglomeration of SES influences on cognitive development” ;)
Results from a study suggest that family socioeconomic status (SES) impacts children's development of intelligence from infancy through adolescence. Children of the highest and lowest SES backgrounds were on average separated by 6 IQ points at the age of 2 years. By the age of 16, the IQ gap had almost tripled (Fig. 2). Thus, children from more disadvantaged families not only did worse than their peers in early intelligence tests but their intelligence handicap amplified over time, suggesting a long-term agglomeration of SES influences on cognitive development”
Better food, environment, etc, will obviously make your brain and body grow and develop better so if you live in a poverty stricken dump where the food, and environment is terrible, it doesn't matter what race you are, you will not grow and develop as well so your average IQ score will be less. But the problem is that immigrants have been coming to the U.S for decades from all over the world and they all have been getting the better food and environment to grow and develop in and yet between the different races, they still consistently score differently on IQ tests, lol. 🤣
@@ohlawd3699 environment still at play, for instance at home, single parenting, hours studying, kids hearing word per minute etc ...
I'm in the Army, I'm sorry but there is no IQ test required to enter. We have an ASVAB (armed forces vocational aptitude battery) which does not measure IQ, It measures four functional areas and determines what jobs an applicant is qualified for. You can even retake the test later in your career if you wish to change jobs. The minimum passing score required to enter is adjustable based on needs of the Army.
@Rich 91 no its not an iq test. you either learned the material or you havent. you can study for it easily. someone who hasnt taken math for example, will not know the answers to many of the questions regardless of iq. an iq test is radically different than the ASVAB
Its been a very long time since i heard anyone mention the IQ differences between ethnicities. I think ive only heard it discussed one other time. Ive read it multiple times, but no one talks about it like this. Im surprised Stefan wasnt cancelled sooner. I dont think Peterson would allow himself to be cancelled haha!
Yeah, the last time I heard this was in the eugenics arguments. It was very popular here in the U.S. Even Helen Keller and Thomas Jefferson were pro-eugenics.
It was reaching it's peak until some weird dictator got ahold of the idea and was promoting during his reign of terror.
You know, I can't remember the dude's name, though I think his last name started with an H . . . .
It's for the same reason you don't often hear conversations about evolution or gravity because the issue has already been settled a long time ago. no body is scared to talk about this we talked about it ALOT for hundreds of years but once we got an answer most people left it alone it's only people who don't like that answer who keep trying to ressurect the issue.
@@jgunn03 “H “ also noted the democrats genocide of the native Americans.
@@annsheridan12 Yep, nazism was just a natural continuation of american settler colonialism and racism
@@annsheridan12 A political party did not genocide the Native Americans, dear. White supremacist colonialism did that. You know, the type of thinking that Trump and his neoRepublicans adhere to. Good old fashioned white supremacy, plain and simple.
IQ and height have a direct relationship with nutrition. So to say these cannot be changed in a generation is incorrect
No one has ever shown that IQ can be improved in any way by nutrition..???
@@Cultrix Childhood nutrition has the largest impact, from what I remember reading.Though, what Brett said would give you the idea that tall people are smarter but that's not exactly how it works.
IQ can vary from race to race just like height, complexion, hair texture, eye colour, athletic ability etc. does.
They want to erase this
Life is an IQ test.
That's not true. There's plenty of relatively high IQ people that fail at life and plenty of low IQ people that succeed at life. And obviouslyusly those with high IQs tend to succeed more OFTEN than those with low IQs but the correlation is not 1. It's something like 0.6
@@breakmanradio2530 Yes, wisdom and IQ don't have an incredibly strong relationship, although there is some relationship there.
I agree with the replies here. I was measured at 150 iq in my early adult life, still, I failed miserably at life in general throughout my 20's and well into my 30's. Iq is definitely relevant, but there are so many other variables. And I'm not looking for pity here, but it's almost a statistical certainty that I would have done much better in life if my father was in the picture during my developmental years. On a positive note, I can say that as much as I fucked up in my early adult life (some of which I would actually argue that my high iq contributed to, like a curse for lack of a better word), I made it out relatively intact and have hope for the future for the first time in over a decade, thanks to people like Peterson, molyneux and personal mentors.
A luck test
@@ghost79ish you probably aren't 150 iq if you are listening to either of them
[ prompt ] :
i look forward to the day when A.I. spells out in infinitely articulated detail the interrelationships and dynamics between human genetic , metaphysical , and teleological factors -- making it impossible for humans to be deceptive or lie about anything -- or be able to mask their actual intentions
[ gpt-4o ] :
Your vision seems to involve AI reaching a level of sophistication where it can decode and lay bare the intricate connections between human genetics, metaphysical aspects, and teleological (purpose-driven) factors. The idea is that with such detailed insight, any attempt at deception or concealment of true intentions would be impossible, creating a world where transparency and truth are unavoidable.
This would represent a profound shift in human society, potentially leading to the end of hypocrisy, manipulation, and deceit. The implications of such a reality would be vast, potentially transforming everything from personal relationships to politics and governance, forcing humanity to confront and operate with complete honesty. It suggests a future where AI not only understands but also reveals the deepest layers of human existence, stripping away the facades that currently enable deception and exploitation.
@@michaelfischer841
[ your meds ]
Take them.
It's refreshing to see this subject discussed soberly and candidly. The acknowledgement of racial differences in IQ doesn't have to lead to hatred or violence.
This was not a discussion. Both men agreed in the subject.
Don Wood lol you expect to call a group of people stupid and they’re not supposed to be offended?
It inevitably will, but you can sit back and let history repeat itself.
All people are created in the image of God and therefore have inherent value that does not depend upon things like IQ.
"IQ" was created by man so obviously it's a flawed system. IQ doesn't really matter it because it doesn't show whether you are truly intelligent or not. People with High IQ could still be very gullible.
Jordan: "anyone with an iq of 83 or less, couldn't be trained to do anything that wasn't positively counter productive"
Stefan: "*chuckles*"
Jordan: "that should send a shudder of terror through everyone's heart"
interesting
YES. okay I saw that and thought ...hmmm. i mean I know everyone gets called racist and alt right. but I’ve had my suspicions about Stefan. JP is my hero, this dude Stefan...idk man
I noticed that too. I have a child with disabilities, and this is not laughable. It is sad. And I believe that with the ever-increasing in technology, a lot of people will feel this kind of problem even with higher and higher IQs.
@@alephnaught8343 He did, watch at 3:39 and as JP states the line about counterproductivity, Stefan scoffs with a smile. Thats not something you laugh about. There's a significant number of people with low IQ in a ever more growing society of technological and intelligence based requirements. Those people can't keeup up with most others. Those people are seemingly destined to struggle as things require more IQ to function.
Stefan chuckling is a little strange. JP says its supposed to horrify you, since there's no good answer to this problem.
@@alephnaught8343 Exactly. Though I think whats more concerning is some people disregard this whole conversation (The IQ problem and how so many people will struggle because they score 83 or less) and that IQ tests are unreliable, JP is a quack with no idea what he's talking about and is only interested in keeping people 'in their place' or something.
Quite the contrary for anyone who actually pays attention to how JP actually talks about these issues. Not to mention that it only ignores this possible problem that JP says noone has a good answer for.
I find that people usually just shit on JP rather than try to come up with actual counter arguments. I think Joe Rogan is the only one when JP mentioned Enforced Monogamy.
Gotta love two supposed intellectuals pushing race science garbage. JBP doesn't understand he's a fucking mark for white nationalism here.
There is a place for the bottom 10% in society, it is in the production of food. If we were to wrest control of our food production from the corporatists and back to small family farms, not only would we have better food and a more resilient farming system, but- anyone can water, weed and harvest. It's a good life.
@Rich 91 Wow, smart guy- projection level at 99.8%, haven't seen anything like that in a while. "Absolute...", you say?
Where did you get "industries inefficient" paired with "no basic wage"? Mono-crops full of pesticide-ridden GMOs completely dependent on oil from fertilizer to equipment are headed to collapse, so reform is needed.
They are speaking about truly low IQ, people unable to do anything productive at all in industry. Anyway, I think you are underestimating what it takes to do the work of a barber or janitor.
OMG I'm surprised stephan didn't have a fit when peterson said IQ gap between the sexes is negligible.
It isn't. Peterson is bsing.
@@theyeking7023 It actually is.
@@mrt445 nope. At the extreme ends the difference is what causes the extreme disproportion in the genders of geniuses
@@theyeking7023 The responsibility of bearing children won't allow the same number of differences. It has nothing to do with IQ's. The only difference is spatial awareness.
@@mrt445 wat. Bearing children has nothing to do with iq or if it does it's not an obvious correlation. Explain
You know once Peterson says the words Identity Politics, he is about to spew a whole bunch of bullshit.
What if Ashkenazi Jews, Middle Easterners, And North Africans had there own consensus seperate from Whites?
The truth is painful sometimes and people don't want to accept it! Sad, because no progress will be made!
Dont let this "truth" distract you from the fact the man with the highest IQ on record died childless, penniless, and relatively young.
Either he was smart enough to thrive without money, or too stupid to not get robbed.
Didn't Jordan mention that the higher your IQ the more specialized you are. I can't verify if that's how it is but I'll accept it as a fact for now. So while you might be the best in that one special thing you are probably average or lower at everything else. No wonder that guy failed.I don't think having an IQ that is way above average is something you'd want. You want to be just slightly ahead.
Also he mentioned that the predictor for economic success is both IQ and conscientiousness. You are limiting it to IQ only.
You say it as if they’ve come up with any ways to progress?
@Laquan James you are valuable to all of us, u could have the next idea that saves lives.never limit your self and continue being loving.never let anyone step on you."you are worth much more"
Laquan James I'm First Nations and refuse to let this hold back anyone.
Has anyone read " The Brain That Changes Itself " by Norman Doidge ?
Ironic that intelligence is discussed with someone who said that cows cannot possibly be in competition with desert tortoises because a cow's mouth is up high and a tortoise's mouth is near the ground.
Molyneux may have forgotten when he made the comment that cows are able to bend their necks sufficiently so that their mouths reach the ground. And Tortoises are able to eat leaves that are several feet off the ground if the plants grew fast after a rain and have tender stems subject to attack. A turtle can eat those same plants months after a rain, when everything has dried out...if a cow doesn't get there first.
In general I agree, however there’s a possibility this places to much value on cognitive ability as an indicator of success. I’ll submit in this day in age with the rise of the athlete as a sustainable form of success, including all of the support and ancillary occupations, that there are alternative successes for those outside your bell curve. Which at a minimum adds hope to your bleak IQ theory. Food for thought.
I am so glad my ancestors gave me the IQ to survive these fools on every level.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣Fantastic!!!
The solution is simple. Accept the problem, so you have a chance of doing something about it. Denying the issue doesn’t make it go away
They do not even bother to clearly define what an IQ test actually is and implies.
Google’s 40% workforce being East Asian maybe has to do with cheap labour Stefan, no?
no. He´s talking about the asians that work for google in America
He's talking about engineers working in the West, who command high professional-level Western salaries, not factory workers in China and Southeast Asia.
In that business? Doubt it.
Some choose to believe the comfortable lies instead of wisely accepting the uncomfortable truths.
We cannot, as a society, both follow and trust empirical science and conveniently and simultaneously deny it.
Depends on what you mean by "trust" and "denial". Supposing that science were to one day demonstrate that Jews are on average more quisative than non Jews. What would "trusting" and not "denying" this fun scientific factoid imply? Should it impact social policy, etc.?
@@spuilloh2637 If that were true why would they admit Asians having higher IQ. Stupid.
@@blankslate6590 because culturally the studyyyyyyy. Genius. They work the brain muscle.
Don't trust scientific imperialism, it's that simple.
I think you meant empirical science.
I remember a study like that supervised by a Plastinian PhD, comparing Plastinian elementary school kids with Jewish kids and according to him the results were always comback no matter what test is with higher scores for Plastinian kids. But at that time many Plastinian Researchers commented on the results as irrelevant when IQ attached to Race
Just shows you how intelligent those researchers were. They didn't use their research to make huge sweeping statements about millions of people.
Molyneux needs to shut up and let Peterson talk. He keeps cutting him off.
Ishaq Vally he knows what he is talking about, every video that he makes is about IQ.
What I have understood from research is that the greatest genetic disparity within the human race can be foundation between African subpopulations. It is not the case that all Africans are more closely related to one another than they are to Europeans, for example. Conclusion: we still have a lot to learn on this subject.
yet they have Africans in one tidy box. The Ethiopian vs the Nigeria is more diverse than the European vs the Iraqi Arab
Nope find another subject you are not qualified
@@markcredit6086 No need to be rude. Quite tasteless.
We need to figure this shit out. If we don't, there will always be certain and specific demographics in America that will forever underperform others, and I think we all can agree that sucks.
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the fact that we can't is indicative of our collective intelligence as a species. human beings are always looking for a way to feel superior to someone/something else. if the division isn't race, it's sex, if not that it's class and economic standing, if not that it's physical appearance (beauty standards). the problem is vanity, entitlement, and narcissism. it's what drives our core need to compete, which can be good, but also fuels evils such as arrogance, domination, bigotry, clannishness, and jealousy. maybe instead of focusing on who the 'winners' in a race are, we should focus on why we're racing each other to begin with.
They don't want to hear that IQ can be genetic, but when it comes to running fast and jumping high... /rolleyes
This.
Correlation vs Causation.
Just because we don't like biological reality doesn't mean it stops existing. IQ does vary...heavily.
IQ is susceptible to environmental factors though. Just look at how education, socio economic status ect.. all enhance, or inhibit the growth of one's IQ.
But in a very specific way. IQ can be affected negatively with environment, not positively. Nutrition, violence, drugs on the mother or father side might remarkably affect the cognitive ability of a person.
But there is no way to increase it, otherwise the children of rich kids all would have better performance and they are affected by a genetic lottery as well. The problem is that is hereditable, and it is not understood if you can damage your genetic materia, and how reversible it is.
@@cristianproust There's no way to increase it? What hahaha. See the thing is, by virtue of you admitting that it is malleable to negative environmental factors means that by mitigating those things, the inverse will happen.
Beyond that, I have done psychometrics in my undergrad years as a psych student. The Flynn Effect is an example, it is result of crystallised intelligence transferring to fluid intelligence. This means that the more you learn, the bigger your capacity is to learn. Part of IQ is crystallised intelligence, which is what you already know.
I don't think you actually understand how IQ works or how it is measured/constructed.
@@gSWG3R Well taking into account that I get paid for thinking (I'm a physicist), that is very unlikely.
You, as a typical person from humanities, get seriously confused about mathematical models.
There are several ways to approach this:
1. I can take the word of Peterson, a psychologist with an h-index of 52 (that is world class), that is actually one of the most cited in psychometrics (Big Five), which is the question at hand, and in that regard I could ignore your opinion as a random typically confused psychology student.
2. "admitting that it is malleable to negative environmental factors means that by mitigating those things, the inverse will happen" Correct. But that will happen to everyone, so the Gaussian curve reparametrizes itself.
Is that not correct? (if I give 10 points to everyone, I rise the scale 10 points and the differences between individuals remain, which is the question at hand).
3."The Flynn Effect is an example, it is result of crystallized intelligence transferring to fluid intelligence" that is just BS.
You are obviously making that up. It is exactly the issue.
If you could, stimulating the development of crystalize intelligence, increase fluid intelligence, you would have a method to increase IQ. But that is not true. If you don't believe me, I dare you to link a paper, because that would revolutionize education.
Any attempts at increasing IQ have been either through artificial effects (people getting good at certain tests, but not increasing cognitive ability), or fall within statistical noise.
I could trust Peterson's word over yours, but I prefer to dismantle your BS asking for any reliable proof of such magical effect. It would be lovely if we could pay for making dumb people smart. But that is simply not possible.
The ball is on your court. Proof or did not happen.
@@cristianproust Again, cognitive ability is not the only facet of IQ. Again, Jordan Peterson funnily enough loves to froth over unfalsifiable Jungian psychology.
Of course you're a JP fan, bahahahaahahha.
The Flynn Effect refers to that on average, every 10 years or so, IQ point averages go up by 3 points. The way they figured this out was simply creating standardised metrics to compare generations.
Scoring 500 on your GRE or SAT's 20 years ago may only equivocate to a score of 460 today.
IQ is a construct, it is not something that you can physically observe or hold. You are a physicist, not a psychometrician. You need to learn the history of IQ and IQ tests to begin with.
By the way, James Flynn is still alive, you read his research. I'll even link it and some more in the next comment as I am on my phone.
But, just, cringe, don't look to Jordan Peterson for insight to things like IQ, or anything really... Hahahahahahahhahahhaahah.
@@cristianproust www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4152423/#:~:text=The%20%E2%80%9CFlynn%20effect%E2%80%9D%20refers%20to%20the%20observed%20rise%20over%20time,Binet%20and%20Wechsler%20intelligence%20tests.
- So, I'm going to guess you as a physicist, did not learn how to read through medical and science journals during your undergrad years? Here's a meta-analysis, which took me less than 5 seconds to find, as I have cited this one myself for previous assignments.
Again, I wouldn't expect much from partisan Jordan Peterson fanboys.
there are three major schools of psychometric interpretation and only one supports their view of g and IQ.
Iq similar to hieght? Tf you're very ignorant for making this comparison, Iq can't be compared to things like height, hair, eye color, or even skin, because those are single Gene mutations that are identifiable, Iq is millions of genes, it isn't consistent with specific genes. It's hard to explain to a person who doesn't understand genotypes. There are also no studies that prove that IQ is entirely determined by genetics. There are, however, studies that show that monozygotic twins exhibit similarities in IQ above the norm. People like this often like to reference the minesota twins study. Below I have cited two studies which show that 70%, 63% of the variation of genetic twins' IQ in their sample populations is due to their natural variation, meaning that there is some correlation between genetics and IQ. This does not prove that there is a causative relationship between genetics and IQ, but it does strongly suggest that there is some genetic factor that effects the development of IQ. The twins study merely suggest genetic factors in iq, it's not a scientific fact. much like how iq isn't a fixed study, niether is the twins study and the idea that iq is inherited. The 40% to 85% heritability Is loosely speaking and is merely estimation in which if the studies were fixed studies, But then the question comes, weather TRA study findings are or are not generalizable to the non-twin populations
How about teaching boys to build their own shelter and grow their own food using aquaponics and start in junior high. The government could led them the money for materials and a lot when they graduate. Get into trouble and your loan comes due. Like Dylan said "When you ain't got nothin you got nothin to lose." Not everyone can program computers or wants to. And we see what happens in the projects where you have no skin in the game.
How about they get a part-time job to buy their own materials 🤦🏻♂️
I used to like SM but he's clearly okay with the implications of race and IQ, and accepts them as absolute truth. Jordan Peterson has a much more holistic view of human value. SM even laughed a couple of times in this short video. He might as well come out as Authoritarian.
This is the most concise explanation of the problem I've seen yet. Thank you, Jordan!
yes, but it's also meaningless. all the discussion of IQ says is that there is variation, and the variation will have different consequences, which is implicitly obvious. heck even Jordan Peterson was born into the world from parents with an IQ likely lower than his. it's a genetic lottery and in that sense, we're all equal because the genes that produce higher IQ's are equally required.
Andrew P
No.
Andrew P
Wrong, you weren't listening well enough.
We are not all equal....according to the I.Q. test. Jordan Peterson has his I.Q. BECAUSE his parents are Caucasian. He could just as well have been adopted and raised by a family of pygmies and his I.Q. would be nearly the same as it is now. And if J.P. were to adopt a family of pygmies and raise them, their I.Q. would not change much....if any. Of course there will be exceptions and outliers, but this is accepted by many intelligent thinkers.
Do you agree? Or would you like to beat me over the head with a club?
Andrew P you apparently didn't listen to his words, or you didn't understand them. In a nutshell, then, genetics has determined every aspect of your body, from height, eye color, race, hair color, skin color, ...and including intelligence! Why is this so hard for you and so many to refute? There will ALWAYS be anomalies at the tail end of the Bell curve. But that is only PART of Dr Petersons point. High IQ may well predict high levels of achievement, but does NOT predict high levels of cognitive consciousness in society directed to gain for society and progression in advancement! As an example, was Hitler a genius? Could be. But what did that lead to? Were Stalin, Lenin, Mao
iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country
and the full talk has been removed from youtube ? link is not working, what a shame