Me two! Fortress have the two most satisfying units in the game. Nothing beats watching that death gaze on a tier 7 unit or seeing the hydra gobble up 2-4 units at once, and everything fleeing from them :D
@@bosspoke True. In the second fight, victory was there when the Gorgons focused on the archdevils. Fortress is incredibly dependent on how you use your units. In the case of a blunt attack, you usually lose out.
Poison by wyverns, weakness by Dragonflies, petrify by basilisks, terrible gaze by Gorgons, 360° hit by Hydras, a perfect tactical town, I love Fortress.
Mighty gorgon ability carried the win on round 2. I'm so glad they won the second battle. In fights like these inferno always seems to have a better AI from some reason and win even dough they should lose. GG mighty gorgons !
The first round clearly shows the deadly weakness of Fortress creatures: their limited mobility and artillery. Other than Serpent Flies, the other creatures are slow as hell, and their only ranged unit are the Lizard Men, which only have tanky defense as the shining aspect. But the upgraded versions obviously turned the table: the effective petrifying ability of the Basilisks, the poisoning and elevated speed of the Wyverns, the horrifying death stare of Mighty Gorgons, which are considered as the lvl7 slayer, and the ever standing Chaos Hydras. Imo Fortress is really underrated, and can be a strong facture if played correctly.
Yes spd is fortress biggest enemy. Unupgraded they are too slow. But the first battle will be a bit closer if the battlefield was not cut in half with the giant boat. When Hydra come into action it was too late.
+cuong Pham.... shhh! Don't tell people that Fortress (my favorite H3 town) is underrated cause they might start liking it, and I don't want to play against pro players who like Fortress cause I'm bad at H3 and so they might kick my ass :p .... Just let them say "Really? You like those lizards? N00b".... Let them think that Fortress is shit xD
xD yeah... I freaking LOVE the mighty moos. They're like my second favorite unit after the dread knights. Actually, dread knights are in 1st place, and Arch Devils, Mighty Gorgons, Naga Queens, Magic Elementals, and Efreeti Sultans all come in the 2nd place. Can't really decide on either of them which is the coolest... after DKs obviously, which are the best creature ever created in my humble opinion, both stats-wise, and design-wise
as stupidly as the AI played in the battle of the upgrades (mighty moos hit cerberi instead of devils) the outcome of the 2nd battle seems normal to me. Inferno wouldn't stand a chance against so many freaking AWESOME abilities that fortress' creatures have (death stare, poison, petrification, weakness, no enemy retaliation). I fucking LOVE that faction (it's my favorite faction in the entire history of HOMM), and I wish they'd bring it back when they make another HOMM game. A REAL HOMM game I mean, not the bad jokes they call HOMM 6 and HOMM 7
agreed with the wyverns being lucky (when I play Fortress - which is quite often since it's my favorite town - I rarely get the damn lizards to cast poison, like once in of 7-8 hits or so).... but, basilisks?? They only petrified once when it mattered, the other 2 times when they stoned the enemy the game was already over. Again, when I play Fortress basilisks petrify more often than they did in this fight, THAT gay they are :)
I know it was necessary to give Mighty Gorgons their broken special ability to even the odds for the generally miserable Fortress army, but hot damn! They fucking devastate everyone they fight, from Imps to Titans. Practically the only units positively capable of defeating zounds of MGs are shooters, or at least an assload of 7th lvl creatures.
Comparable week numbers of dread knights will crush mighty gorgons as they are much stronger and immune to death stare. I think also magic elements should contest them very well with their immunity and somewhat better stats + no ret. Farmed skeletons should decimate them too, and maybe the farmed demons aswell. Then there are the hit'n run units that mighty gorgons can never reach: "Arch devils, sprites, harpy hags, vampire lords, Cerberus, yeah and magic element" In a situation with only mighty gorgons and one of these left on the battlefield, and both heroes are out of mana. Then realistically any of these units can chip the mighty gorgons to death without being touched.
yeah... I'm surprised too, although I shouldn't be surprised because AI never plays smart. As someone who's had the displeasure to play against good players many times I can guarantee you that all those juicy abilities (death stare, poison, dragonflies' weakness, petrification from basiliks) would RARELY get a chance to manifest against good players. I've had my units perma-slowed, blinded, berserked and whatnot whenever I'd play against a pro H3 player that I stopped having fun playing hotseat games LOL
Gorgons and Hydras are both the best units of their level hands down. Their maximum potential damage output is pretty much 10x times bigger then any other unit on their level.
Gorgons are the best of their tier hands down. But lets be honest; hydras are not. Against human players, they will never cluster units so the hydras get to use their strength. And even against AI, the hydra is likely to be outshined by certain other tier 7 units. I do agree though, they are underrated and in the right hands can prove to be very deadly. They just need the mighty gorgons to take out other tier 7's because they lose in 1v1 against other tier 7's. And they need a good teleport or haste/prayer.
Hmmm "The mighty gorgon has a death stare with a 10% chance per attack of killing 1 creature in a troop outright, applied for each Mighty Gorgon in the troop." Yet it still killed like 20 archdevils on a hit... hmmm.
Кирил Желязков its 10% chance to kill 1 but for every 10 gorgons they kill one more and the % chance go up as well. So 600 will kill 60 with death stare and the chance is almost 100%. You can see at 3:47 that 412 Gorgons killed 42 AD just with death stare.
Sooo, I resurched it a little bit. There is a nice thread here: heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=17640. Probability of scoring 1 kill with three mighty moos = 1-0.9^3 = 0.27 Probability of killing at least one creature with 3 separate stacks of 1 mighty gorgon each = 3 * 10% = 30%. And there's a 0.001 probability of killing 3 creatures with 3 mighty gorgons! With 3 in one stack the maximum kills is 1! You can never be sure that your gorgons are going to kill creature with death stare, since 0.9^x > 0. With 50 gorgons, you will get 1 - 0.005153775 = 0.994846224 probability to kill at least one creature. Maximum is 5. With 80 gorgons, you will get 1 - 0.000218474 = 0.999781525 probability to kill at least one creature. Maximum is 8. With 100 gorgons, you will get 1 - 0.000026561 = 0.999973438 probability to kill at least one creature. Maximum is 10. With 150 gorgons, you will get 1 - 0.000000136 = 0.999999863 probability to kill at least one creature. Maximum is 15. With 170 gorgons, you will get 1 - 0.000000016 = 0.999999983 probability to kill at least one creature. Maximum is 17. TLDR: Mighty Gorgon are more cost effective than all level 7 units (maybe almost all units).
JFC how do you screw up playing fortress this badly? They aren't a hard faction to understand: point the Mighty Gorgons at the highest-tier enemy stack, point the Wyvern Monarchs at whichever stack has the highest total health, and put the Hyrdras somewhere where they're likely to be able to get multiple hits. It's not rocket science. This is why I almost never do auto-combat in this game.
yes it is. Even if - through some miracle - it had a stroke of intelligence and decided to make a smart move/hit, it still is terrible. I mean, looking at the 2nd fight... how dafuq can you choose to hit cerberi when archdevils are right there beside you?... *facepalm*
Fortress winning always puts a smile on my face
Richi Abosuli :^)
Always??
1:1 not 2:0 ;)
Me two!
Fortress have the two most satisfying units in the game.
Nothing beats watching that death gaze on a tier 7 unit or seeing the hydra gobble up 2-4 units at once, and everything fleeing from them :D
@@bosspoke True. In the second fight, victory was there when the Gorgons focused on the archdevils. Fortress is incredibly dependent on how you use your units. In the case of a blunt attack, you usually lose out.
Poison by wyverns, weakness by Dragonflies, petrify by basilisks, terrible gaze by Gorgons, 360° hit by Hydras, a perfect tactical town, I love Fortress.
its way OP, needs balance
@@darklord9549 No, it's not op.
HAIL HYDRA!!!!
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If they cut off one head two more shall take it`s place!
The Gorgons in round 2 should go for the AD from the start. 600 will kill 60 AD just with their death stare. It would be over much sooner.
Mighty gorgon ability carried the win on round 2. I'm so glad they won the second battle. In fights like these inferno always seems to have a better AI from some reason and win even dough they should lose. GG mighty gorgons !
agree with everything you said :)
Marneus Calgar better AI? This mindless rush wasn't even close to good performance
Well AI mostly plays horribly, but it just seems the AI playstyle favours inferno more than others.
Inferno doesn't have too many layers of complexity when fighting. Therefore, the AI should be able to do less blunders when using Inferno.
The first round clearly shows the deadly weakness of Fortress creatures: their limited mobility and artillery. Other than Serpent Flies, the other creatures are slow as hell, and their only ranged unit are the Lizard Men, which only have tanky defense as the shining aspect. But the upgraded versions obviously turned the table: the effective petrifying ability of the Basilisks, the poisoning and elevated speed of the Wyverns, the horrifying death stare of Mighty Gorgons, which are considered as the lvl7 slayer, and the ever standing Chaos Hydras. Imo Fortress is really underrated, and can be a strong facture if played correctly.
Yes spd is fortress biggest enemy. Unupgraded they are too slow. But the first battle will be a bit closer if the battlefield was not cut in half with the giant boat. When Hydra come into action it was too late.
+cuong Pham.... shhh! Don't tell people that Fortress (my favorite H3 town) is underrated cause they might start liking it, and I don't want to play against pro players who like Fortress cause I'm bad at H3 and so they might kick my ass :p .... Just let them say "Really? You like those lizards? N00b".... Let them think that Fortress is shit xD
Death stare is absolutely insane vs 7th lvls
Fear the death stare.
Mighty mighty Gorgon
I can't get enough of these holy fuck
3:48 XD kocham to
what means kocham to wtf learn english
it is a language? I thought you are just a district of some bigger country
@@tastybekonn "kocham to" means "I love it" in poland
aha spoko
What a stupid AI.
Hail mighty Gorgons.... .42 AD died under the terrible gaze...........
xD yeah... I freaking LOVE the mighty moos. They're like my second favorite unit after the dread knights. Actually, dread knights are in 1st place, and Arch Devils, Mighty Gorgons, Naga Queens, Magic Elementals, and Efreeti Sultans all come in the 2nd place. Can't really decide on either of them which is the coolest... after DKs obviously, which are the best creature ever created in my humble opinion, both stats-wise, and design-wise
4 from 7 fortress' units get unique abilities when upgraded. They might contest castle/rampart, maybe even conflux.
As a Fortress fan... isn't that beautiful? :)
Wow, I did not expect that Fortress win in round 2. Probably it happened because it used the Mighty Gorgons the right way, for once.
as stupidly as the AI played in the battle of the upgrades (mighty moos hit cerberi instead of devils) the outcome of the 2nd battle seems normal to me. Inferno wouldn't stand a chance against so many freaking AWESOME abilities that fortress' creatures have (death stare, poison, petrification, weakness, no enemy retaliation). I fucking LOVE that faction (it's my favorite faction in the entire history of HOMM), and I wish they'd bring it back when they make another HOMM game. A REAL HOMM game I mean, not the bad jokes they call HOMM 6 and HOMM 7
I think it was up to the map. If hydra is stuck behind rocks for half of the game, you can't really do much.
Ultra lucky fortress on second run,super effective wyverns and basilisks.....
Neko_ValentinE_Butterfly if Gorgons go for Arch Devils right from the start they would not even need luck.
agreed with the wyverns being lucky (when I play Fortress - which is quite often since it's my favorite town - I rarely get the damn lizards to cast poison, like once in of 7-8 hits or so).... but, basilisks?? They only petrified once when it mattered, the other 2 times when they stoned the enemy the game was already over. Again, when I play Fortress basilisks petrify more often than they did in this fight, THAT gay they are :)
I know it was necessary to give Mighty Gorgons their broken special ability to even the odds for the generally miserable Fortress army, but hot damn! They fucking devastate everyone they fight, from Imps to Titans. Practically the only units positively capable of defeating zounds of MGs are shooters, or at least an assload of 7th lvl creatures.
Comparable week numbers of dread knights will crush mighty gorgons as they are much stronger and immune to death stare.
I think also magic elements should contest them very well with their immunity and somewhat better stats + no ret.
Farmed skeletons should decimate them too, and maybe the farmed demons aswell.
Then there are the hit'n run units that mighty gorgons can never reach:
"Arch devils, sprites, harpy hags, vampire lords, Cerberus, yeah and magic element"
In a situation with only mighty gorgons and one of these left on the battlefield, and both heroes are out of mana. Then realistically any of these units can chip the mighty gorgons to death without being touched.
Those Mighty Gorgons are so sexy! Just use Teleport when playing Fortress. Teleport those Chaos Hydras all over.
Rocky shouting: ADRIENNE ADRIENNE
Dragon Flies survived for VERY LONG!!
yeah... I'm surprised too, although I shouldn't be surprised because AI never plays smart. As someone who's had the displeasure to play against good players many times I can guarantee you that all those juicy abilities (death stare, poison, dragonflies' weakness, petrification from basiliks) would RARELY get a chance to manifest against good players. I've had my units perma-slowed, blinded, berserked and whatnot whenever I'd play against a pro H3 player that I stopped having fun playing hotseat games LOL
Inferno scared mighty gorgons and hydra on their very first steps
Gorgons and Hydras are both the best units of their level hands down. Their maximum potential damage output is pretty much 10x times bigger then any other unit on their level.
Mateusz Tur hydras are shitt in pvp ☺
Bs
Gorgons are the best of their tier hands down. But lets be honest; hydras are not. Against human players, they will never cluster units so the hydras get to use their strength. And even against AI, the hydra is likely to be outshined by certain other tier 7 units. I do agree though, they are underrated and in the right hands can prove to be very deadly. They just need the mighty gorgons to take out other tier 7's because they lose in 1v1 against other tier 7's. And they need a good teleport or haste/prayer.
Hmmm "The mighty gorgon has a death stare with a 10% chance per attack of killing 1 creature in a troop outright, applied for each Mighty Gorgon in the troop." Yet it still killed like 20 archdevils on a hit... hmmm.
has to be at least 10 mighty gorgons 4 there to be a hit
Кирил Желязков its 10% chance to kill 1 but for every 10 gorgons they kill one more and the % chance go up as well. So 600 will kill 60 with death stare and the chance is almost 100%. You can see at 3:47 that 412 Gorgons killed 42 AD just with death stare.
k ty
Sooo, I resurched it a little bit. There is a nice thread here: heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=17640.
Probability of scoring 1 kill with three mighty moos = 1-0.9^3 = 0.27
Probability of killing at least one creature with 3 separate stacks of 1 mighty gorgon each = 3 * 10% = 30%. And there's a 0.001 probability of killing 3 creatures with 3 mighty gorgons! With 3 in one stack the maximum kills is 1!
You can never be sure that your gorgons are going to kill creature with death stare, since 0.9^x > 0.
With 50 gorgons, you will get
1 - 0.005153775 = 0.994846224 probability to kill at least one creature. Maximum is 5.
With 80 gorgons, you will get
1 - 0.000218474 = 0.999781525 probability to kill at least one creature. Maximum is 8.
With 100 gorgons, you will get
1 - 0.000026561 = 0.999973438 probability to kill at least one creature. Maximum is 10.
With 150 gorgons, you will get
1 - 0.000000136 = 0.999999863 probability to kill at least one creature. Maximum is 15.
With 170 gorgons, you will get
1 - 0.000000016 = 0.999999983 probability to kill at least one creature. Maximum is 17.
TLDR: Mighty Gorgon are more cost effective than all level 7 units (maybe almost all units).
Unless they fight undead or other nonalive creatures
amagerd
Mass slow on Fortress and they are done.
Mass slow is answered with mass haste or prayer and/or teleport.
gorgons are badass
3:47 Ahhhh
JFC how do you screw up playing fortress this badly? They aren't a hard faction to understand: point the Mighty Gorgons at the highest-tier enemy stack, point the Wyvern Monarchs at whichever stack has the highest total health, and put the Hyrdras somewhere where they're likely to be able to get multiple hits. It's not rocket science. This is why I almost never do auto-combat in this game.
hail hydra haha
why autofight? it is impossible to watch
Lol first battle... AI is not that stupid as I thought.
yes it is. Even if - through some miracle - it had a stroke of intelligence and decided to make a smart move/hit, it still is terrible. I mean, looking at the 2nd fight... how dafuq can you choose to hit cerberi when archdevils are right there beside you?... *facepalm*
Tazar with 0 Defence
Lol mighty gorgon won that 2nd round
don't they always do?
good job , however tho these fights will never happend in real game , so its kind of pointless andyway thumb up for the effort.
Only Hydra powerfull creature in Fortress. The rest warriors are weak.
Mighty gorgons are powerfull too
@@Nonii-92 Whatever you say. I agree