The RC3 isn't for most people. The reason it exists is for people who are doing high volume shooting and specifically CANNOT DUNK IT IN A VAT OF SIMPLE GREEN EVERY 2000 ROUNDS, like huxwrx recommends for the Flow 556k, or who do not want to worry about their suppressor working its way off their gun like every HUB suppressor is vulnerable to. Civilian shooters have a set of needs and specifications that they want out of a suppressor, like wanting it to work with a variety of muzzle device types or paying a certain amount or having it a certain weight or having a certain sound reduction. Many of these things just do not matter for a military application; guys in SOCOM already know to use flash hiders because they were already using flash hiders instead of brakes, and that's who the RC3 was designed for. It was designed for being used with any degree of full automatic fire, high round counts per session, and potentially on belt fed machine guns like the Mk46. The RC3 is the longest lasting flow through can on the market right now. It has NO durability difference vs the RC2, which is something that people have ignored because "muh fireball" (which only occurs when you use a brake or warcomp). It has NO special maintenance requirements. It fits current issue devices, and the interface is welded into the suppressor, which is massively more durable than a threaded interface. It suppresses better than a flow 556k and mitigates flash/sound better, when you use the correct device, that surefire assumes it doesn't have to hold your hand on. You are exactly correct in that the RC3 suits your needs best, and I'm glad you understand that.
Do you work for Surefire? I've seen a number of people test the RC3 who know what theyvare doing, and they weren't fans. It did throw fireballs even without a warcomp...the flash signature was very visible when compared to the Flow 556k. PS. Flow 556K blows the RC3 out of the water in terms of actual suppression of the gun. Pew science does a great job with his reviews, and the numbers are flat out better.
Wow, thank you for sharing. Before this video and your comment, I wrote the rc3 off because I had heard that it has a serious tendency to fireball. Being a civ now, obviously signature reduction is not very important right now, but it’s something I do care about in case reality shifts one day. My rifles are generally set up for serious and daily use, the rc3 seems like an excellent contender otherwise and very happy to have come across users with more appropriate perspectives to base my decisions upon.
@@Osprey1994 like the huxwrx flow 556k, the suppressor is tuned around specific gas flow behavior If you look at how huxwrx designed ALL of their devices, they don't look like typical device designs, because they aren't If you take a HUB compatible huxwrx can and use a different company's devices it will also behave worse than the huxwrx ones The RC3 is designed around only one device: the SF3P. Everything else doesn't work, because the people it is designed for don't use any other SF device. Does it flash more than the RC2? Sure But the requirement wasn't "maximum flash reduction", it was "acceptable flash/sound reduction with minimal adaptation from systems already using RC/RC2", which this does. If you want the best flash/sound reduction in a flow through you don't even buy a flow 556k anyway, you buy a velos LBP or B&T printX or some other design. The OSS design is still fundamentally gen 1 and is limited by its laminar flow design, there are better options. The RC3 has its place. If you can't understand why someone might value long term use over absolute suppression then you really ought to reconsider the entire point of buying SF to begin with.
@@Sercer25 that would really depend on your budget and parameters that you care about The RC3 suits ben because it meets his specific needs, there is no such thing as a "best" silencer, only "what is best for the job I am setting out to do" The RC2 and RC3 make specific compromises to do what they are intended for. You need to decide what things you value the most (durability, weight, flash reduction, backpressure reduction, signature mitigation, cost, device compatibility, platform compatibility) and then you can pare down what options you want.
The RC3 definitely became the cool thing to hate. I personally think it performs better than anything Hux is doing in both sound and flash. Aside from using the closed tine FH
Makes sense with your material abuse regiment. All about the use case. Big hunting can: Super quiet, heats up like crazy, doesn't matter cause 1-3 rounds till cool off time. Goal reached, with that use case it'll last. Shorty MG can: Not really quiet, signature reduced, still able to communicate, will withstand high fire volume, will outlast the barrel. Goal reached. Those and the in between that need it rather quiet and a medium volume of fire for a mission. It's a buffet. What do you need? The best, the best...best for what?
Calling it trash is a bit harsh/unrealistic. However, regardless of your needs, we have enough data now to know that there are better options for cheaper money, regardless of what your needs are.
That’s kind of an absolute statement. I think there are some users whose needs would dictate that the RC3 is actually the best option. And money doesn’t matter at all when it comes to “best” that’s simply a matter of value. Some users aren’t affected by that much, if at all.
It makes sense for ben, and for law enforcement. But its feature set really doesnt make it a top contender for anyone else. Its competitors cost 2/3 as much, while still outperforming it. And shooting it off is silly. Id use a taper style mount with wrench flats. Save length weight and cost. Something like the cat wb isnt just a few db quieter. It significantly outperforms the rc3 for hearing damage risk.
My RC2 and RC3 are my workhorses, they are tanks I don't feel like I need to baby them. I fully trust them enough to forget theyre attached. My other cans I have to be more careful.
I just got the griffin dual lock HRT 556. It does most thing very well. Good sound reduction, Inconel, short, good mounting system, not extremely gassy. Around 800 bucks on sale.
Rc3 flash mitigation is on par with the rc2 if your using open tine flash hiders. Flow through cans in general will be louder and flashier than traditional baffled cans. No 556 will be truly hearing safe. A 556 can should reduce concussive over-presser, flash, bring sound down to a less painful level, and have a rock solid mount that returns to zero. Lefties and super high volume shooters benefit more from flow through cans
A surefire rep said that shooting the cans off the guns is not the correct way. I know Manuel’s have said to do this, but most recent the rep said damage caused by shooting the cans off, won’t be covered by warranty.
lol no people are complaining about it because it’s trash compared to something like a B&T or a full size hux or a liberty precision machine torch or a velos it’s just not the can people are going to be happy with especially if they compare it to the many other options
I think @benstoeger needs to continue with this RC3 talk. It seems as if the high opinion, low commitment folks have carried over into the suppressor side of things and brought their emotional attachments to certain brands with them lol.
As someone who doesn’t have either, the Hux round count you stated was if you never clean it. All the things that make a good suppressor you don’t care about lol. If all you want is a durable can just get any baffle style inconel can including an RC2.
SilencerCo LBP 5.56 is a so called flow through can. I really like it. It runs great on my DD mk-18 and mk-12. There is a difference compared to traditional cans. This can has decent flash suppression for in my opinion. Thanks!!
The RC3 is the bottom of the list on all 3 key aspects of current supressors -Bad flash medigation -Little to no diference on backpresure compared to regular baffle cans -Bad meter numbers at the ear and muzzle. The RC2 still out preforms the RC3 the only reason the RC3 got made was for those juicy gov contracts. Velos lbp B&T SRBS556 Huxwrk 556k Huxwrk 762ti CAT ODB CAT WB For 3d printed flow trough cans For traditional baffle cans Polonium Polonium K Are better options.
RC2 was almost the same yet it was the only can that could survive the SF use. Its not a can designed for civilian use, because it doesnt fit civilian use
@@gansior4744 odd because the RC2 definitely is not the only can that could stand up to use by SF. DEVGRU is/was using Dead Air Sandman-S’s on their Noveske builds. British SF are using Huxwrx cans on their LMTs as well as Canadians using HX-QD 5.56 cans from them. The Marines utilize Knights Armament NT-4s, point is there are a lot of companies supplying suppressors that are being fielded besides just the RC2
For Flow thru style Cans . I prefer SiCo Velos LBP 556K. Surfire SOCOM RC and KAC NT4 are tried and true Cans . I cannot imagine RC3 would be any different. Price of RC3 is pretty high. I'd rather have Velos LBP 556K due HUB Style / Universal Mounting system
@@tacamo21you sure? I’ve seen quite a few flash tests (check Rooftop Defense’s) and even under nods it looks really good for the most part. Ft Knox Podcast posted a still image under nods that looked Kinda bad (unknown barrel length), but other flash tests look damn good
@CR-wy5oi self admittedly my personal experience was me using PMC which isn't the best ammo. Check some videos out, it does not perform well with flash mitigation.
@@chinesemassproduction the one device he didn't test, was the one it was designed for Look up big tex ordnance's video where they test all of the devices. The SF3P has the performance that ben and others are talking about.
Ben my man, you really need to chat up the boys at Specter's CAT and get yourself a White Bread in Inconel or the upcoming full sized Super Thug silencers in 5.56. CAT is the same engineering group that delivers solutions to Delta and other super tier units. Their AI software in gas dynamic modeling has no equal in the market place and thus their designs have been ground breaking this entire past year. Also those Huxs silencers can go past the quoted service life, that is only published for the optimal performance range. The tech will still work but will decline as the flow paths start to erode into each other. But the public at large doesn't realize that baffled cans do the same thing when they start to lead up. All silencers need servicing, the higher flowing ones are just more honest about it.
Coming from first person experience as I previously owned one and ditched it. Also personal experience with probably 30-40 other cans. The RC3 doesn't make sense unless you have 5-6 guns already setup with SF mounts that you want to get a low BP can for. If surefire priced it reasonably close to the RC2 it would be a significant difference in sales and attitude towards it. The flash is only an issue if you aren't running an open tine fh like the 3p or 4p. I've shot it under nods on multiple host lengths and muzzle devices, and pretty much performs like an RC2 with an open tine FH. One thing to consider whether or not you look at sound reduction is the tone of the shot. The RC3 still sounds like a gunshot, just slightly quieter while something like an RC2, Polonium, etc have a significantly different tone to them. Personally own 10+ cans and have shot probably 2-3 dozen more.
My only con is the price. Otherwise, the product to me is just another can so why would i pay potentially double or triple some other can. This is for my use case. If I was shooting as much as you or could write it off for business purposes, I would probably own one as well. But until then, I'll be ok with just sticking with traditional baffle cans for half or 1/3 the cost.
Great video good info the only thing I see missing that wasn’t mentioned is on the huxwrks cans is that they can be recored to be able to be continued to use over and over again.
Ben, you explained that your use case is a high round count, low maintenance suppressor, but there are many other cans on the market other than the RC3 that can achieve both. Do you particularly like the RC3 because it's a flow through/low back pressure can?
If I buy more suppressors, it isn't going to be some hole in the wall company who's stuff is made in a garage or some flashy instagram famous one whos stuff is made by an OEM. Surefire makes more cans in a month than most of these other brands do combined. They're also not going bankrupt like you can see with so many brands on the used section of gunbroker. They are going to be around forever, your can is going to be able to serviced or replaced forever.
Sucks cause hux is way too loud, almost not even suppressing anything except blow back witch is manageable with Brt ez tune gas tube with an rc2 you get ZERO gas blow back and better suppression all around. The tuned guns just shoot better
All my DI rifles have brt ez tune gas tubes for 100% suppressed usage, vltor a5h2 buffer system and headspaced bolts. My mk18 has the lmt enhanced Bcg as well. These all shoot insanely flat and I have the videos to prove it. All m fiends want my rifles and none of them have the motivation to tune their own rifles… it’s sad really.
Lmao the Flow 556 K is quieter than the mini 2 and way better on the full rifle system. If you're comparing the full sized RC2 to a K can that's stupid. My Flow 762 Ti next to an RC2 is extremely close and has almost no effect on the system compared to the RC2.
You should considering getting a Knight's suppressor, they're absolutely bomb proof and much better than Surefire imo. Especially the MCQ mini suppressor; it's super compact (so the rifle is still balanced) and makes the gun shoot extremely flat.
Most people commenting and hating, never even shot a RV2, not to say to own one. A month ago I saw a 350lb guy at the gun expo. Those are the type of guys that argue on the internet like they are the shit and they know the best
@@armorers_wrench it might be all the Flow through stuff I have on semi autos but I notice zero difference in heat of the rifle with and without the can.
Maintaining suppressors? Vast majority of suppressors require zero maintenance. Pistol cans need pistons cleaned, 22 cans and most Flow through cans just need to be dunked in a solution every now and then which is pretty simple and easy. As far as shooting ARs suppressed and then being uncomfortable that's just using the wrong silencer and/or a lack of tuning. None of my rifles are like that.
Makes sense. 180/year over the course of the 10 years it takes me to run the 100k through it is a better deal than the $400/year on the hux that burns out in ~3 years
Have you actually seen a Hux that's been shot out? I haven't. Everyone is stating a specific number (like 20k or something) that isn't even the actual service life of the can but a worst case scenario with no maintenance and just getting beat on as per Hux. Even if you do shoot the can out, they can replace the core.
Have you worn a can out before? What happens after the 75k-100k round mark with a can? Do you just toss it and buy a new one? Or is there a repair service?
SF recores the suppressor with a new baffle stack. It's at your expense but since they can retain the serialized part of the tube body, you don't have to pay a new tax stamp, only for the repair service.
Id be very interested to see it's night time performance. I shot a lot under nods and would never own a Hux after watching them flash, heat up extremely fast, and stay hot forever. They are literally a big, hot, glowing shoot me sign under nods and thermals. I dont know if this is just a Hux issue or if all flow throughs do this? Seems to me the RC3 would be much better for night time use as its double walled correct? Also, the Hux cans are much louder downrange than normal cans.
@@SOG487 that's with an unapproved muzzle device. There's videos of it being shot at night without the flash. I want see how it handles heat being double walled
Suppressor tech is my Tism. The RC3 and FLOW556k are trash. So many better cans that balance backpressure reduction while still maintaining good levels of muzzle suppression. The SiCo Velos LBP, The LPM Torch, the CAT WB, The PTR Vent 3.
I shoot 2 gun with my Flow 556k and it only adds 12 oz to my lightweight gun and the amount of recoil and just muzzle blast it deleted so I can focus on my targets is so worth it.
I’ve shot 3 gun for 7+ years, no one shoots with a suppressor, I’ve maybe seen two guys loaded up in camo, battle belts, helmets slings when not needed, etc. A lightweight BCG, adjustable gas gas block and decent muzzle brake make them almost zero recoil and you don’t have a weight hanging off the muzzle making transitions more difficult and you don’t spear your rifle, suppressor first into a barrel. For those not building, they just run a normal AR.
This video feels like a whole “I mean I guess” vibe. I get it you don’t really care about certain things like signature and all that but bro you got money, buying something like a huxworks is like chump change to you so might as well just get the better flow through suppressor out there.
After a quick google and Reddit search it seems like people generally either meme roast this thing or get very defensive about owning one. Just some observations so far.
@@Youknowwh0iam I wouldn’t go that far. They sound good out in the wide open but once you get into and type of confined space they’re louder. If indoors I think it’d be a wash almost comparing suppressed to unsuppressed
I’ll add, if you can afford to shoot 100k rounds, you can afford several silencers. But then, you are assuming everything else is disposable after a few thousand rounds…
Well, to him "few thousans rounds" Is like 20k+. I think he has a different perspective that you assume. Its not "oh, shot with it 5k, time to throw it out"
I can't speak for ben but personally, I don't really like doing it People assume that shooting at night will magically give you a massive advantage, and it still can, but the use case is a lot more narrow. The way that night fighting is taught in current curriculums is no longer applicable today. There are numerous things that can expose you to excessive risk, such as UAV mounted sensors (thermal, digital/multispectral) or even just things like normal $200 security cameras or ring units that are using the same 850-940nm wavelengths that your presumably "invisible" LAM illuminators and lasers are using. I see people using IFF beacons all of the time on their heads and gear when guys have been taping over that shit for emergency use only for the last ten years. Stuff like the Taliban Red Unit or chinese infiltration of the american NV training/manufacturing base have been going on for literally 15+ years now (West Point's Modern War Institute published an article called "We Don't Own the Night Anymore", 3 years ago, but this was only rehashing what we already know). Back then, those guys were using camcorders with the IR filters removed. Now they have their own Gen 2+ IIT (NNVT 6-8/Norinco Night Vision Technology) and thermals (infraray/iray, AGM, etc), and many of those same technologies are made available for cheaper than "real" units from L3 or elbit or photonis. You cannot expect that the opposition you face will not be fielding the same technology. And so, when you ask me "do I like shooting with NVGs" and I see people keying their LAMs to a degree and scale that they would never use a white light, even though they are just as vulnerable to incoming fire as someone keying a white light into the abyss 100, 200m in front of them? Nah I'm good. I'd rather rely on other techniques than expecting to skulk around in the open but at 0200.
Muzzle device makes very little difference in whether a can throws fire or not. What does make a difference is baffle design, end cap design and barrel length. A lot of the people that complain about the RC3 likely have 10.3" mk18s. They throw fire with most cans.
You don’t care about flash reduction. You don’t care about sound reduction. 😂 so what are you even bothering with a can? Specially an $1800 one. That makes no sense. The can is not good. This video is top tier copium. Strange coming from Ben. Makes sense if you want an $1800 blast forwarding device to look cool on the internet. Seems extremely stupid.
The people who have the biggest negative opinions on the RC3 have never even seen one in person, let alone shot one. They all saw a picture on Reddit and that was enough for all of them to form a complete opinion. I have an RC3 and it’s a perfectly good can. It’s my only rifle suppressor so I use it for training and for “oh shit I need a rifle” situations. Realistically it’s the only 5.56 suppressor I’ll ever need with its durability and longevity and I’m very happy with my purchase. In my personal experience the two biggest complaints people have with it are very much overblown. The sound delta between the RC2 and 3 isn’t as big as people make it out to be, and the flash is only there if you use a very specific combo of barrel length, muzzle device, and ammo. Also shooting it off voids the warranty of all SC cans, I asked and they told me that.
The Mini 2 is probably one of my favorite cans. I'd say you're right unless it's on a shorter barrel. Anything 12.5 or shorter is noticeably louder than the fullsize
It was designed around length/size reduction for 14.5" or longer. People like to pair the mini with shorter barrels but it really doesn't work out, because you're dealing with a lot more unburnt powder that has to be consumed before leaving the can, with a can that has much less internal volume and baffles. It is really meant for longer barrels where the powder is mostly burnt up by then, leaving only hot gas for the silencer to deal with.
The RC3 isn't for most people. The reason it exists is for people who are doing high volume shooting and specifically CANNOT DUNK IT IN A VAT OF SIMPLE GREEN EVERY 2000 ROUNDS, like huxwrx recommends for the Flow 556k, or who do not want to worry about their suppressor working its way off their gun like every HUB suppressor is vulnerable to.
Civilian shooters have a set of needs and specifications that they want out of a suppressor, like wanting it to work with a variety of muzzle device types or paying a certain amount or having it a certain weight or having a certain sound reduction. Many of these things just do not matter for a military application; guys in SOCOM already know to use flash hiders because they were already using flash hiders instead of brakes, and that's who the RC3 was designed for. It was designed for being used with any degree of full automatic fire, high round counts per session, and potentially on belt fed machine guns like the Mk46.
The RC3 is the longest lasting flow through can on the market right now. It has NO durability difference vs the RC2, which is something that people have ignored because "muh fireball" (which only occurs when you use a brake or warcomp). It has NO special maintenance requirements. It fits current issue devices, and the interface is welded into the suppressor, which is massively more durable than a threaded interface. It suppresses better than a flow 556k and mitigates flash/sound better, when you use the correct device, that surefire assumes it doesn't have to hold your hand on.
You are exactly correct in that the RC3 suits your needs best, and I'm glad you understand that.
Whats your 2nd best suppressor you would recommend? Great write up on the RC3.
Do you work for Surefire? I've seen a number of people test the RC3 who know what theyvare doing, and they weren't fans. It did throw fireballs even without a warcomp...the flash signature was very visible when compared to the Flow 556k.
PS. Flow 556K blows the RC3 out of the water in terms of actual suppression of the gun. Pew science does a great job with his reviews, and the numbers are flat out better.
Wow, thank you for sharing. Before this video and your comment, I wrote the rc3 off because I had heard that it has a serious tendency to fireball. Being a civ now, obviously signature reduction is not very important right now, but it’s something I do care about in case reality shifts one day.
My rifles are generally set up for serious and daily use, the rc3 seems like an excellent contender otherwise and very happy to have come across users with more appropriate perspectives to base my decisions upon.
@@Osprey1994 like the huxwrx flow 556k, the suppressor is tuned around specific gas flow behavior
If you look at how huxwrx designed ALL of their devices, they don't look like typical device designs, because they aren't
If you take a HUB compatible huxwrx can and use a different company's devices it will also behave worse than the huxwrx ones
The RC3 is designed around only one device: the SF3P. Everything else doesn't work, because the people it is designed for don't use any other SF device.
Does it flash more than the RC2? Sure
But the requirement wasn't "maximum flash reduction", it was "acceptable flash/sound reduction with minimal adaptation from systems already using RC/RC2", which this does.
If you want the best flash/sound reduction in a flow through you don't even buy a flow 556k anyway, you buy a velos LBP or B&T printX or some other design. The OSS design is still fundamentally gen 1 and is limited by its laminar flow design, there are better options.
The RC3 has its place. If you can't understand why someone might value long term use over absolute suppression then you really ought to reconsider the entire point of buying SF to begin with.
@@Sercer25 that would really depend on your budget and parameters that you care about
The RC3 suits ben because it meets his specific needs, there is no such thing as a "best" silencer, only "what is best for the job I am setting out to do"
The RC2 and RC3 make specific compromises to do what they are intended for. You need to decide what things you value the most (durability, weight, flash reduction, backpressure reduction, signature mitigation, cost, device compatibility, platform compatibility) and then you can pare down what options you want.
The RC3 definitely became the cool thing to hate. I personally think it performs better than anything Hux is doing in both sound and flash. Aside from using the closed tine FH
I’ve personally seen an RC3 on a block 2 upper being shot pretty heavily under NODS. No giant fireballs or obnoxious muzzle flash.
Yeah people really latched on to the whole fireball thing.
Makes sense with your material abuse regiment.
All about the use case.
Big hunting can:
Super quiet, heats up like crazy, doesn't matter cause 1-3 rounds till cool off time. Goal reached, with that use case it'll last.
Shorty MG can:
Not really quiet, signature reduced, still able to communicate, will withstand high fire volume, will outlast the barrel. Goal reached.
Those and the in between that need it rather quiet and a medium volume of fire for a mission.
It's a buffet. What do you need? The best, the best...best for what?
Calling it trash is a bit harsh/unrealistic. However, regardless of your needs, we have enough data now to know that there are better options for cheaper money, regardless of what your needs are.
That’s kind of an absolute statement. I think there are some users whose needs would dictate that the RC3 is actually the best option. And money doesn’t matter at all when it comes to “best” that’s simply a matter of value. Some users aren’t affected by that much, if at all.
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It makes sense for ben, and for law enforcement. But its feature set really doesnt make it a top contender for anyone else. Its competitors cost 2/3 as much, while still outperforming it. And shooting it off is silly. Id use a taper style mount with wrench flats. Save length weight and cost. Something like the cat wb isnt just a few db quieter. It significantly outperforms the rc3 for hearing damage risk.
doesn’t outperform in durability by any metric, which is huge
My RC2 and RC3 are my workhorses, they are tanks I don't feel like I need to baby them. I fully trust them enough to forget theyre attached. My other cans I have to be more careful.
I just got the griffin dual lock HRT 556. It does most thing very well. Good sound reduction, Inconel, short, good mounting system, not extremely gassy. Around 800 bucks on sale.
Rc3 flash mitigation is on par with the rc2 if your using open tine flash hiders. Flow through cans in general will be louder and flashier than traditional baffled cans. No 556 will be truly hearing safe. A 556 can should reduce concussive over-presser, flash, bring sound down to a less painful level, and have a rock solid mount that returns to zero. Lefties and super high volume shooters benefit more from flow through cans
A surefire rep said that shooting the cans off the guns is not the correct way. I know Manuel’s have said to do this, but most recent the rep said damage caused by shooting the cans off, won’t be covered by warranty.
It’s just the price is why people are complaining about the product. If it was the same price as others they would be saying it’s the best thing ever…
The price was wild off the bat just like the Flow 762 Ti yet on black Friday last year not long after launch I got mine for $999 with a MD included.
It’s because it’s loud. That is all.
Only hear people talking about performance.😂
lol no people are complaining about it because it’s trash compared to something like a B&T or a full size hux or a liberty precision machine torch or a velos it’s just not the can people are going to be happy with especially if they compare it to the many other options
I think @benstoeger needs to continue with this RC3 talk. It seems as if the high opinion, low commitment folks have carried over into the suppressor side of things and brought their emotional attachments to certain brands with them lol.
As someone who doesn’t have either, the Hux round count you stated was if you never clean it. All the things that make a good suppressor you don’t care about lol. If all you want is a durable can just get any baffle style inconel can including an RC2.
SilencerCo LBP 5.56 is a so called flow through can. I really like it. It runs great on my DD mk-18 and mk-12. There is a difference compared to traditional cans. This can has decent flash suppression for in my opinion. Thanks!!
The RC3 is the bottom of the list on all 3 key aspects of current supressors
-Bad flash medigation
-Little to no diference on backpresure compared to regular baffle cans
-Bad meter numbers at the ear and muzzle.
The RC2 still out preforms the RC3 the only reason the RC3 got made was for those juicy gov contracts.
Velos lbp
B&T SRBS556
Huxwrk 556k
Huxwrk 762ti
CAT ODB
CAT WB
For 3d printed flow trough cans
For traditional baffle cans
Polonium
Polonium K
Are better options.
PTR Vent is the new king on the block for flow through cans.
RC2 was almost the same yet it was the only can that could survive the SF use. Its not a can designed for civilian use, because it doesnt fit civilian use
Have you shot an Rc3?
@@gansior4744 odd because the RC2 definitely is not the only can that could stand up to use by SF. DEVGRU is/was using Dead Air Sandman-S’s on their Noveske builds. British SF are using Huxwrx cans on their LMTs as well as Canadians using HX-QD 5.56 cans from them. The Marines utilize Knights Armament NT-4s, point is there are a lot of companies supplying suppressors that are being fielded besides just the RC2
“medigation”
When you trash expensive products all the guys that make it their whole personality having all the Gucci gun gear get but hurt. Just the way it is
Ben’s larping at night and not telling us?
Given his work, probably NDAs and such involved with some of those experiences.
I too am an RC3 fan. You should try the B&T SRBS
I really like my RC3.
For Flow thru style Cans . I prefer SiCo Velos LBP 556K.
Surfire SOCOM RC and KAC NT4 are tried and true Cans . I cannot imagine RC3 would be any different.
Price of RC3 is pretty high. I'd rather have Velos LBP 556K due HUB Style / Universal Mounting system
The flash performance is garbage.
@@tacamo21you sure? I’ve seen quite a few flash tests (check Rooftop Defense’s) and even under nods it looks really good for the most part. Ft Knox Podcast posted a still image under nods that looked Kinda bad (unknown barrel length), but other flash tests look damn good
@@CR-wy5oi Look up Hunter Constantine's video on the RC3 flash test
@CR-wy5oi self admittedly my personal experience was me using PMC which isn't the best ammo. Check some videos out, it does not perform well with flash mitigation.
@@chinesemassproduction the one device he didn't test, was the one it was designed for
Look up big tex ordnance's video where they test all of the devices. The SF3P has the performance that ben and others are talking about.
similar use case, but a touch more price sensitive; def considering the rc3..when budget permits; grateful for your perspective
So basically if you don't care about price or performance but must have a Surefire, the RC3 is for you
Ben my man, you really need to chat up the boys at Specter's CAT and get yourself a White Bread in Inconel or the upcoming full sized Super Thug silencers in 5.56. CAT is the same engineering group that delivers solutions to Delta and other super tier units. Their AI software in gas dynamic modeling has no equal in the market place and thus their designs have been ground breaking this entire past year.
Also those Huxs silencers can go past the quoted service life, that is only published for the optimal performance range. The tech will still work but will decline as the flow paths start to erode into each other. But the public at large doesn't realize that baffled cans do the same thing when they start to lead up.
All silencers need servicing, the higher flowing ones are just more honest about it.
Coming from first person experience as I previously owned one and ditched it. Also personal experience with probably 30-40 other cans. The RC3 doesn't make sense unless you have 5-6 guns already setup with SF mounts that you want to get a low BP can for. If surefire priced it reasonably close to the RC2 it would be a significant difference in sales and attitude towards it. The flash is only an issue if you aren't running an open tine fh like the 3p or 4p. I've shot it under nods on multiple host lengths and muzzle devices, and pretty much performs like an RC2 with an open tine FH.
One thing to consider whether or not you look at sound reduction is the tone of the shot. The RC3 still sounds like a gunshot, just slightly quieter while something like an RC2, Polonium, etc have a significantly different tone to them. Personally own 10+ cans and have shot probably 2-3 dozen more.
My only con is the price. Otherwise, the product to me is just another can so why would i pay potentially double or triple some other can. This is for my use case. If I was shooting as much as you or could write it off for business purposes, I would probably own one as well. But until then, I'll be ok with just sticking with traditional baffle cans for half or 1/3 the cost.
Great video good info the only thing I see missing that wasn’t mentioned is on the huxwrks cans is that they can be recored to be able to be continued to use over and over again.
Ben, you explained that your use case is a high round count, low maintenance suppressor, but there are many other cans on the market other than the RC3 that can achieve both. Do you particularly like the RC3 because it's a flow through/low back pressure can?
Ben keeping everyones PR Reps on their toes with these titles. Gotta make em sweat and watch the vids lol
If I buy more suppressors, it isn't going to be some hole in the wall company who's stuff is made in a garage or some flashy instagram famous one whos stuff is made by an OEM. Surefire makes more cans in a month than most of these other brands do combined. They're also not going bankrupt like you can see with so many brands on the used section of gunbroker. They are going to be around forever, your can is going to be able to serviced or replaced forever.
I like surefire just hate the mounting system. Im in on Hux for pretty much all my semi autos besides like 300 blk
Sucks cause hux is way too loud, almost not even suppressing anything except blow back witch is manageable with Brt ez tune gas tube with an rc2 you get ZERO gas blow back and better suppression all around. The tuned guns just shoot better
All my DI rifles have brt ez tune gas tubes for 100% suppressed usage, vltor a5h2 buffer system and headspaced bolts. My mk18 has the lmt enhanced Bcg as well. These all shoot insanely flat and I have the videos to prove it. All m fiends want my rifles and none of them have the motivation to tune their own rifles… it’s sad really.
Lmao the Flow 556 K is quieter than the mini 2 and way better on the full rifle system. If you're comparing the full sized RC2 to a K can that's stupid. My Flow 762 Ti next to an RC2 is extremely close and has almost no effect on the system compared to the RC2.
You should considering getting a Knight's suppressor, they're absolutely bomb proof and much better than Surefire imo. Especially the MCQ mini suppressor; it's super compact (so the rifle is still balanced) and makes the gun shoot extremely flat.
Most people commenting and hating, never even shot a RV2, not to say to own one. A month ago I saw a 350lb guy at the gun expo. Those are the type of guys that argue on the internet like they are the shit and they know the best
Ok Ben the real question is which NVGs do you have? Tell me its Panos
Shooting suppressed sucks. So I’ve heard.
Yeah most poor people say this
It can suck if you shoot very high round counts. The main issue is the gun will get extremely hot.
I've never heard a single person say anything close to that lol. Once your start you'll never want to go back
@@armorers_wrench it might be all the Flow through stuff I have on semi autos but I notice zero difference in heat of the rifle with and without the can.
Maintaining suppressors? Vast majority of suppressors require zero maintenance. Pistol cans need pistons cleaned, 22 cans and most Flow through cans just need to be dunked in a solution every now and then which is pretty simple and easy. As far as shooting ARs suppressed and then being uncomfortable that's just using the wrong silencer and/or a lack of tuning. None of my rifles are like that.
Makes sense. 180/year over the course of the 10 years it takes me to run the 100k through it is a better deal than the $400/year on the hux that burns out in ~3 years
Have you actually seen a Hux that's been shot out? I haven't. Everyone is stating a specific number (like 20k or something) that isn't even the actual service life of the can but a worst case scenario with no maintenance and just getting beat on as per Hux. Even if you do shoot the can out, they can replace the core.
Have you worn a can out before? What happens after the 75k-100k round mark with a can? Do you just toss it and buy a new one? Or is there a repair service?
SF recores the suppressor with a new baffle stack. It's at your expense but since they can retain the serialized part of the tube body, you don't have to pay a new tax stamp, only for the repair service.
Makes perfect sense. Thanks!!!!!
Id be very interested to see it's night time performance. I shot a lot under nods and would never own a Hux after watching them flash, heat up extremely fast, and stay hot forever. They are literally a big, hot, glowing shoot me sign under nods and thermals. I dont know if this is just a Hux issue or if all flow throughs do this? Seems to me the RC3 would be much better for night time use as its double walled correct? Also, the Hux cans are much louder downrange than normal cans.
Have you even seen the videos of the RC3 at night?
@@SOG487 that's with an unapproved muzzle device. There's videos of it being shot at night without the flash. I want see how it handles heat being double walled
Suppressor tech is my Tism. The RC3 and FLOW556k are trash. So many better cans that balance backpressure reduction while still maintaining good levels of muzzle suppression. The SiCo Velos LBP, The LPM Torch, the CAT WB, The PTR Vent 3.
If you like those guys check out the FOR systems 5.56
Good list for people who want sound suppressors to suppress sounds.
@@HaydenLane9mm and don’t want a bunch of gas in the face
reccs for 11.5?
Otter creek is also good for traditional suppressor design, very cheap but durable and good suppression.
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So many experts in the comments who dont own one trying to cope amd explain why it sucks
Better, most didn't own RC2 or dont own a can at all. And if they did, they have maybe a thousand rounds thru one
Talk about the facts then😂
@@headache237 tALk AbOuT tHe FaCtS tHeN
Why own a supressor at all purely for competative shooting?
I don't shoot competitively but all my suppressors delete recoil on my rifles so I can see that being a positive
@@EdwardSnortin I can't imagine that would outweigh the massive weight at the tip of your gun.
I shoot 2 gun with my Flow 556k and it only adds 12 oz to my lightweight gun and the amount of recoil and just muzzle blast it deleted so I can focus on my targets is so worth it.
@@JNOSNOW Do you shoot faster with the can on?
I’ve shot 3 gun for 7+ years, no one shoots with a suppressor, I’ve maybe seen two guys loaded up in camo, battle belts, helmets slings when not needed, etc. A lightweight BCG, adjustable gas gas block and decent muzzle brake make them almost zero recoil and you don’t have a weight hanging off the muzzle making transitions more difficult and you don’t spear your rifle, suppressor first into a barrel. For those not building, they just run a normal AR.
This video feels like a whole “I mean I guess” vibe. I get it you don’t really care about certain things like signature and all that but bro you got money, buying something like a huxworks is like chump change to you so might as well just get the better flow through suppressor out there.
Wait you guys can have silencers???? 🎉
After a quick google and Reddit search it seems like people generally either meme roast this thing or get very defensive about owning one. Just some observations so far.
If I buy a new 5.56 can it’ll be a Huxwrx Flow
Maybe. Just a heads up but flow through isn’t a free lunch either
The CAT cans are waaay better
@@K-bob_45yup flow cans sound unsuppressed to the naked ear.
@@Youknowwh0iam I wouldn’t go that far. They sound good out in the wide open but once you get into and type of confined space they’re louder. If indoors I think it’d be a wash almost comparing suppressed to unsuppressed
@@Youknowwh0iam they seem pretty good. Just don’t forget they’re affiliated with CGS and all the flops and issues they had
I think explaining what use you have for cans would have helped these comments
Price has always been my problem with Surefire products. I always wind up bending over and taking it though. 😮😢
Lube up and Surefire all the things😂
would love to hear what ben thinks about b&t SRBS
Any update on holosun AEMS?
Put thing on end of gun, gun quieter with no gas, don't have to maintain thing
I’ll add, if you can afford to shoot 100k rounds, you can afford several silencers. But then, you are assuming everything else is disposable after a few thousand rounds…
Well, to him "few thousans rounds" Is like 20k+. I think he has a different perspective that you assume. Its not "oh, shot with it 5k, time to throw it out"
@@gansior4744I’d like to see some data showing all these other suppressors are trashed after 20k. And no, your $2k titanium silencer doesn’t count.
Have you tried KACs low back pressure can?
Ben you gotta film some of your night LARPing sessions for us
Please do a troll video shooting a PSA AR with a Witt machine suppressor and then talk about how the dagger is better than a Glock
I can't help but think I contributed to this video. 🙂
Have the surefire cans carbon locked on you?
its not the droid you are looking for......
What are your thoughts on shooting with NVGs and how often do you do it? I like most people are too poor to afford NVGs.
I can't speak for ben but personally, I don't really like doing it
People assume that shooting at night will magically give you a massive advantage, and it still can, but the use case is a lot more narrow. The way that night fighting is taught in current curriculums is no longer applicable today. There are numerous things that can expose you to excessive risk, such as UAV mounted sensors (thermal, digital/multispectral) or even just things like normal $200 security cameras or ring units that are using the same 850-940nm wavelengths that your presumably "invisible" LAM illuminators and lasers are using. I see people using IFF beacons all of the time on their heads and gear when guys have been taping over that shit for emergency use only for the last ten years.
Stuff like the Taliban Red Unit or chinese infiltration of the american NV training/manufacturing base have been going on for literally 15+ years now (West Point's Modern War Institute published an article called "We Don't Own the Night Anymore", 3 years ago, but this was only rehashing what we already know). Back then, those guys were using camcorders with the IR filters removed. Now they have their own Gen 2+ IIT (NNVT 6-8/Norinco Night Vision Technology) and thermals (infraray/iray, AGM, etc), and many of those same technologies are made available for cheaper than "real" units from L3 or elbit or photonis.
You cannot expect that the opposition you face will not be fielding the same technology.
And so, when you ask me "do I like shooting with NVGs" and I see people keying their LAMs to a degree and scale that they would never use a white light, even though they are just as vulnerable to incoming fire as someone keying a white light into the abyss 100, 200m in front of them?
Nah I'm good. I'd rather rely on other techniques than expecting to skulk around in the open but at 0200.
@@DD-hz3ts that was very very informative thanks. The drone stuff makes sense.
What muzzle device that’s open are you using ?
Will I shoot 75k rounds of 556 in the next 10-15 years? Maybe…Supressed? Hell no!
North forest iron sites - you seen them ? Interesting - be a fun review
The RC3 is strictly one of the worst cans on the market, in almost every category you measure a can by
To each their own
Muzzle device makes very little difference in whether a can throws fire or not.
What does make a difference is baffle design, end cap design and barrel length. A lot of the people that complain about the RC3 likely have 10.3" mk18s. They throw fire with most cans.
In this case the sfmb was causing flash issues vs the 3 and 4 prong
You don’t care about flash reduction. You don’t care about sound reduction. 😂 so what are you even bothering with a can? Specially an $1800 one. That makes no sense. The can is not good. This video is top tier copium. Strange coming from Ben. Makes sense if you want an $1800 blast forwarding device to look cool on the internet. Seems extremely stupid.
If you really want to get under people’s skin, buy Knights Armament and give an honest opinion….
Shartfire
The people who have the biggest negative opinions on the RC3 have never even seen one in person, let alone shot one. They all saw a picture on Reddit and that was enough for all of them to form a complete opinion.
I have an RC3 and it’s a perfectly good can. It’s my only rifle suppressor so I use it for training and for “oh shit I need a rifle” situations. Realistically it’s the only 5.56 suppressor I’ll ever need with its durability and longevity and I’m very happy with my purchase.
In my personal experience the two biggest complaints people have with it are very much overblown. The sound delta between the RC2 and 3 isn’t as big as people make it out to be, and the flash is only there if you use a very specific combo of barrel length, muzzle device, and ammo.
Also shooting it off voids the warranty of all SC cans, I asked and they told me that.
Watchlist toys.
A lot of people would be glad to have a suppressor, must be nice to complain about them 😊
....RC2 Mini is pretty much the same performance of the RC2, just shorter and lighter.
The Mini 2 is probably one of my favorite cans. I'd say you're right unless it's on a shorter barrel. Anything 12.5 or shorter is noticeably louder than the fullsize
It was designed around length/size reduction for 14.5" or longer. People like to pair the mini with shorter barrels but it really doesn't work out, because you're dealing with a lot more unburnt powder that has to be consumed before leaving the can, with a can that has much less internal volume and baffles. It is really meant for longer barrels where the powder is mostly burnt up by then, leaving only hot gas for the silencer to deal with.
That's not what she said.
RC2 full length...because that was available at the time. 😅
Does the RC3 help you find the red dot?
You’re a funny mf 😆
@@TexasTeaHTX Thanks!!!!