Hello Johan, this is an excellent test! This C12Q sounds great, and well, every time I hear a good one, I remember why the vintage G12Ms are my favorite Celestions :) - Please allow me to chime in with a bit of tech background. The Voice Coil diameter is where some of the key tonal differences are: Celestion historically uses 44mm (1 3/4") diameter voice coils. Jensen has used a variety of different sizes, 25mm (1"), 32mm (1 1/4"), 38mm (1 1/2") and 50mm (2"). Only two of our newest speakers, the Nighthawk and the Tornado Stealth 65 use a 44mm voice coil. Not by chance, as we designed those two to be the most "British oriented" speakers in our catalog. The 44mm voice coil delivers a characteristic grunt and aggression in the midrange that is an important factor of the tone of the most sought after Celestion speakers. The Jensen C12Q has a 32mm voice coil, so significantly smaller. This is one of the reasons of the brighter, airier tone. All else being equal, a smaller voice coil will deliver more trebles, and may have a wider dispersion at higher frequencies, but will have less power handling. All else being equal, a larger voice coil will shift the balance more towards the midrange, may be a little more beaming in the higher resisters, and will take more power before burning out. Then of course there is a million other parameters that influence the tone, starting from the membrane and the dustcap... and I'm ready to chat and discuss them... but for now, I hope this is an interesting piece of info for the community! Ignazio Vagnone - Jensen Speakers
Hi Ignazio, what would be the difference between the old C12Q as shown here by our amazing Johan and new reissue apart from Kapton? voice coil tube? I am looking for most apropriate speaker for 1964 Vibrolux Amp that I am putting together…
@@staccami our Vintage Reissue speakers are built “as close as technically and legally possible” to the ‘50s and ‘60s originals, especially about the cone membrane, the doping (treatment of the membrane and of the suspensions) and magnet specs. However, certain components such as glues and voice coil paper former had to be updated: the vintage glues are not durable and reliable enough for the contemporary quality requirements. The original voice coil paper formers were well known to burn out under thermal stress. We changed them to new, polymer-based materials such as Nomex and Kapton that sound virtually equal to paper but can withstand almost twice the applied power. To interpretate you question: does a new reissue speaker sound like a 60-years old one, played and stored in unknown conditions? To put it simply, no, there is no way to predict and approximate a generic "aging" process, that could mimic what the speaker has gone through in its lifecycle. Let me give you an example: Let's take two amps, out from the assembly line in the same day. One has been sold to a guy who plays low volume bebop jazz guitar, in a living room in Colorado, with 15% humidity all year long. The next one has been sold to the owner of a blues club in New Orleans, where this amp has been beaten to death every night for 50 years, and went through smoke, dust, and floods. Let's take those two speakers and measure them. NO WAY they will sound even remotely close one to the other. We have dozen of speakers in our vault that span from one extreme to the other. They key is to isolate the one that sounds "just right" and take it as a reference to voice the reissue. So we decided to voice the vintage reissue speakers “as they would have sounded new”. Kind of NOS Time Machine. So, in most cases, the reissue speaker, brand new, will sound clearer and brighter than the vintage speaker. Give it some time, a minimum of burn-in, and the lower midrange/bass range will come up, warmer and fuller, balancing out with the treble range. About 20-30 hours of average playing at "band rehearsal volume level" will get you 95% of your way. Technically the vintage and the reissue speakers are really really close one to the other, the closest possible.
@@JensenSpeakersVideos thanks for your answer. It is shame that these new reissues are talked down often by some. Honestly I am strong defender of them. 2 Jensen ri C10R are closest match to vintage Oxfords in my 6G16 Vibroverb. I can say those Jensens sound even better, with similar frequency range, but less of ´cold steel’ sound… And low sensitivity of RI Jensens enables me to run the amp at the sweet spots with reasonable volume…. Thanks for keeping them in production.
@@staccami Thank YOU for being part of the Jensen family of players. Let the haters do their thing. We well know the reason why behind the internet hate. When we came back into the game, some weren't happy to have us competing to gain back our own market, with strong manufacturing capabilities and one of the biggest brand names in guitar history. As simple as that. Some people trash talked about Jensen right at the announcement of the speakers being newly in the market, even before mass production... how laughable is that? We never cared abou tthe haters, and never will. We care about tone, quality and consistency. That's how we play the game.
I replaced 10" Fender super champ speaker with a P10r and after a month (100hrs) of running in time it sounds like a 60s Princeton ,I was actually surprised as all I wanted was a smoother tone but it excells at Fender tones. Then a tweed 50s Dlux got a P12Q and we are playing/ recording/ using them both all day. Maybe the new paper/glue is just a bit stiffer and needs time to shine. My tip is to use your amp like a juke-box and plug a sound source through the amp/speaker to speed up the time the speaker takes to "Blooom"!
Oh @johan You opened a can of worms. I was chasing down Pulsonic Celestions for years. Then I stumbled across Jensens. Even modern day ones are great. The Blackbirds, the vintage series as soon as broken-in... As soon as one gets their beauty, one is lost. I really do love old Greenbacks and they got their place where one can't replace them, but... THIS JENSEN ATE THE G12 ALIVE.
I have C12R (cheap low wattage) and put it in an old traynor YGM3...sounded great. Very chimey and still good crunch with dirt. And when pplaying more jcm800 i play with a jet falcon 210 cab. Cleans up the fizz on marshalls.
Beautiful tones from both. Personally I prefer the Jensen, I find it more open on upper mid frequencies and generally speaking a bit more "3D sounding" so to say,
On their own I think both speakers sounded great. Back to back I prefer Celestion (maybe because I'm more used to that sound). Thanks Johan for your never ending sound demos and comparisons!
@@JohanSegeborn Hey Johan! Here's an idea for a vdo, how about mixing a neck/bridge alnico 2 pickup and a bridge/neck alnico 5 magnet pickup in a guitar so we can hear what they sound like together? (duncan 59 neck HB & Gibby Classic 57 bridge HB) and also ceramic bridge (dimarzio DP100 Super Dist HB with a alnico 5 neck HB pickup? In short do they all mix ok are some better mixed than others or is it best to match-up the magnet types in N&B pups in a guitar?
Both sounded great. I really loved what those lipsticks were doing in the Strat. I still lean to Celestion tone somewhat to my ears. God bless and Merry Christmas 🎄🎸😎
This is very eye opening! I have always thought of the Jensens as “Clean Only” speakers, but there is some lovely raspy, gargly stuff going on when you really cranked it. Thanks so much for what you do!! I have one Greenback and FOUR vintage C12Q speakers! I am DEFINITELY going to try putting one of them in a 2x12” with the GB and mic both for some all new flavors. ❤️🔥
This is a great comparison. I’m a big fan of vintage Jensens, but with the Marshall, the Celestions just sound “right” as they are more focused and peaky in the midrange, which lends that classic crunch. The Jensens have a wider frequency response and a looser feel in the mids. I especially love the old alnico Jensens with tweed Fenders.
Please do the Tornado Stealth series, all 3 speakers by Jensen sounds different, The 65W and the 100W (my favorite one, maybe) sounds awesome it seems, but the 80W maybe can shine with you.
As always the best comparisons ever Johan! I’m curious about the greenback dust cover, is there any doping surrounding the cover and in the cone? Cheers
Thanks Ignacio! The Greenback cone has doping at the surround as well as at the dust cap. There’s a picture of the cone in the video where it can be seen
If I were tracking guitar parts on a big mix I would wheel my C12q’s out before my vintage Marshall for sure. Thank you for this video. The Celestions are maybe too fat to create big space between instruments as they are. The less eq the better. Imagine plugging in the Roland 120 into a cab of J’s..
Hi, Johan! I am very interested and excited about Jensen. In Canada I can get it, but I am not so good in electronics, to replace the old speaker. But its really awesome. Hope to see you a little more! Siegfried
Not a LOT in them, but as I hear it, the Jensen is a bit bassier & smoother sounding, a bit scooped. The Celestion is flatter with more top end & less low. I'd go either for cleans, and Celestion for dirty! Rock on! (Cos I can't! ) \m/
I might be the dumb one but that looks like a P12Q P is for alnico and C is for ceramic as stated on their website and that looks like an alnico. Im a little confused
Jensen= more low mids/less shrill highs, G12M= more high mids and highs. Jensen reminds me early Tony Iommi's sound, G12M is vintage '70s sound. Cheers!
No idea it existed differences in speakers.Even Audio\video -96 serviceman.Tested Boss Katana HEAD 100W.It has a 30 W inbuild speaker,if you dont have a cabinet.I say 60 pedals,they 60 effects.Its 5 knobs with green,red,orange selections and bank a and bank b.Cost 5000 Boss MD-500,paid 4500 withshipping the amp.8 Preset and of course infinitive online internet.0.5-50-100W selection.5 channels each 2 variations-10 amps.
Interesting comparison! I have a '66 C12Q in a VALCO. I think the comparison matches my experiences --- there are many speakers that have a better high gain growl than the C12Q (for sure the Greenback here!), but the Jensen is great for cleaner vintage tones. I find that the Jensen gets kind of stiff and wooden when you try to get it to break up at higher gains.
I like the Jensens at high gains - sometimes. They get that saxophone sound that either sounds good or bad depending on the circumstances. And the motorcycle-trying-to-start sounds in the lows and mids.
I like the c12q because it sounds more unusual. Having owned both, I know there's a reason for this: the Celestion holds together a lot better in most circumstances, while the c12q is more likely to fall apart or hurt your ears. But the c12q has those weird fuzzy noises and beautiful cleans.
Wrong amp to use The Jensen is for C&W and Surf and in a Fender amp The Jensen will blow up being pushed The Rola is made to handle OD I have a box of blown Jensens That sounded great Next time use a Fender amp I love Old Jensen speakers
Can't really call it a jensen anymore tho, since It's a recone. Secondly the recone was spelled "Waldom" with an M not an N, and they were considered basic allied radio shack quality not in high regard. But hey if you like the tone that is all that matters. Sounds fine here but not much like the greenback except slightly in certain spots, but overall has the typical american jensen fender style speaker tone. Being in USA I have had hundreds of vintage jensens of all models and none sounded like a celestion...too different overall from cone to coil to dustcap to mag.. And one can never trust a recone to sound like an original vintage...too many things have changed as you have said over time...the paper used, coils, etc, etc. Fun test tho, always good to compare things regardless, but few will say any old jensen sounds like a greenback. They dont feel the same either. Jensen's tighter stiffer, hard paper dustcap etc etc too many differences add up. Funny I have just gone back to using old fender jensen speakers with my british amps for a change (and since I had 8 identical old fender twin reverb speakers lying around, why not fill up a few spare cabs and try it. Very different from celestion tones, not sure I dig them yet with UK amps, different for sure tho.
@@JohanSegeborn Maybe it sounds more like a celestion because of the recone, as I have to agree all the vintage "survivors" I've come across sounded patently american, which is my personal preference anyway
@@JohanSegeborn You can often tell orig vs recones just like celestions, the rear of cones often have little white numbers on them, jensen's I have seen started with 301 but there may be others or not in different era's. But it is pretty easy to tell recones done on vintage speakers...things just look too clean and new or have glue slop, etc. Even this one which might be an older recone, the glue around the dustcap looks too much compared to originals. Also many 50s early 60s ones had 10 ribs and not 8 like this one, tho I think I have seen some 8 rib ones that appeared to be orig. I am not a total jensen expert but im sure more precise info is out there just like you figured out with all the celestions. A jensen C12N will be closer in magnet and coil size to a greenback and a little higher wattage so more apt to be original and not recone, as C12Q tended to blow in deluxe reverbs versus C12N pairs in twin reverbs, as guys would more often push deluxes a bit harder into the one Q more than they would N pairs in twins which were louder cleaner so not apt to be worth pushing for overdrive or shy of clean volume, unless you were nugent but he used Ev SRO or JBL higher power spks. Still the Q and N used the same american jensen style hard ribbed paper cones and dustcaps, with the diff between the Q and N the coil size and watts rating and the magnet oz size. Q have very little low end, and more treble. N better lows and bit smoother, tighter less compression. This was all in open back fender cabs tho. Used in closed backs like your marshall cab may change that obviously.
Jensen all the way here, GB sounds just throaty (middy) . B..but... this 1963 Jensen sure is Alnico, right ? 😉 So - it is again Alnico vs ceramic... Anyway, Jensen was NO British tone "long ago before Celestion"... the T0530 (later Blue) began in the late ‘50s, based on a high-end radio speaker from 1936. Older than Avro Lancaster, or what ? Duh... Celestion was founded and made speakers since what.. 1924 - when Bentley won Le Mans for the first time. British enough for me 😂
It clearly looks like an AlNiCo for the bell cover over the magnet - but the frame says undoubtedly C12Q - which is the ceramic version. Alnico would be the P12Q. Don't get fooled by the bell
C12Q C7368 is actually a ceramic Jensen with the Bell. You Coldplay find it in the Ampeg Super Twins for instance. And yeah I should have written british Marshall tone.
@@tomasvanecek8626 yes, for the bell cover and age of the speaker it's an easy miss. To be honest, I was looking carefully at the footage to verify it's being a C, not a P. The bell cover...
I may be over-simplifying this, but to me everything played on the Strat sounded better with the Jensen while everything played on the SG sounded better with the Celestion.
Hello Johan, this is an excellent test! This C12Q sounds great, and well, every time I hear a good one, I remember why the vintage G12Ms are my favorite Celestions :) - Please allow me to chime in with a bit of tech background.
The Voice Coil diameter is where some of the key tonal differences are: Celestion historically uses 44mm (1 3/4") diameter voice coils. Jensen has used a variety of different sizes, 25mm (1"), 32mm (1 1/4"), 38mm (1 1/2") and 50mm (2"). Only two of our newest speakers, the Nighthawk and the Tornado Stealth 65 use a 44mm voice coil. Not by chance, as we designed those two to be the most "British oriented" speakers in our catalog.
The 44mm voice coil delivers a characteristic grunt and aggression in the midrange that is an important factor of the tone of the most sought after Celestion speakers.
The Jensen C12Q has a 32mm voice coil, so significantly smaller. This is one of the reasons of the brighter, airier tone.
All else being equal, a smaller voice coil will deliver more trebles, and may have a wider dispersion at higher frequencies, but will have less power handling.
All else being equal, a larger voice coil will shift the balance more towards the midrange, may be a little more beaming in the higher resisters, and will take more power before burning out.
Then of course there is a million other parameters that influence the tone, starting from the membrane and the dustcap... and I'm ready to chat and discuss them... but for now, I hope this is an interesting piece of info for the community!
Ignazio Vagnone - Jensen Speakers
Hi Ignazio, what would be the difference between the old C12Q as shown here by our amazing Johan and new reissue apart from Kapton? voice coil tube? I am looking for most apropriate speaker for 1964 Vibrolux Amp that I am putting together…
@@staccami our Vintage Reissue speakers are built “as close as technically and legally possible” to the ‘50s and ‘60s originals, especially about the cone membrane, the doping (treatment of the membrane and of the suspensions) and magnet specs.
However, certain components such as glues and voice coil paper former had to be updated:
the vintage glues are not durable and reliable enough for the contemporary quality requirements. The original voice coil paper formers were well known to burn out under thermal stress. We changed them to new, polymer-based materials such as Nomex and Kapton that sound virtually equal to paper but can withstand almost twice the applied power.
To interpretate you question: does a new reissue speaker sound like a 60-years old one, played and stored in unknown conditions? To put it simply, no, there is no way to predict and approximate a generic "aging" process, that could mimic what the speaker has gone through in its lifecycle.
Let me give you an example: Let's take two amps, out from the assembly line in the same day. One has been sold to a guy who plays low volume bebop jazz guitar, in a living room in Colorado, with 15% humidity all year long. The next one has been sold to the owner of a blues club in New Orleans, where this amp has been beaten to death every night for 50 years, and went through smoke, dust, and floods. Let's take those two speakers and measure them. NO WAY they will sound even remotely close one to the other. We have dozen of speakers in our vault that span from one extreme to the other. They key is to isolate the one that sounds "just right" and take it as a reference to voice the reissue. So we decided to voice the vintage reissue speakers “as they would have sounded new”. Kind of NOS Time Machine. So, in most cases, the reissue speaker, brand new, will sound clearer and brighter than the vintage speaker. Give it some time, a minimum of burn-in, and the lower midrange/bass range will come up, warmer and fuller, balancing out with the treble range. About 20-30 hours of average playing at "band rehearsal volume level" will get you 95% of your way. Technically the vintage and the reissue speakers are really really close one to the other, the closest possible.
@@JensenSpeakersVideos thanks for your answer. It is shame that these new reissues are talked down often by some. Honestly I am strong defender of them. 2 Jensen ri C10R are closest match to vintage Oxfords in my 6G16 Vibroverb. I can say those Jensens sound even better, with similar frequency range, but less of ´cold steel’ sound…
And low sensitivity of RI Jensens enables me to run the amp at the sweet spots with reasonable volume….
Thanks for keeping them in production.
@@staccami Thank YOU for being part of the Jensen family of players. Let the haters do their thing. We well know the reason why behind the internet hate. When we came back into the game, some weren't happy to have us competing to gain back our own market, with strong manufacturing capabilities and one of the biggest brand names in guitar history.
As simple as that. Some people trash talked about Jensen right at the announcement of the speakers being newly in the market, even before mass production... how laughable is that?
We never cared abou tthe haters, and never will. We care about tone, quality and consistency. That's how we play the game.
I replaced 10" Fender super champ speaker with a P10r and after a month (100hrs) of running in time it sounds like a 60s Princeton ,I was actually surprised as all I wanted was a smoother tone but it excells at Fender tones. Then a tweed 50s Dlux got a P12Q and we are playing/ recording/ using them both all day. Maybe the new paper/glue is just a bit stiffer and needs time to shine. My tip is to use your amp like a juke-box and plug a sound source through the amp/speaker to speed up the time the speaker takes to "Blooom"!
Oh @johan
You opened a can of worms.
I was chasing down Pulsonic Celestions for years. Then I stumbled across Jensens. Even modern day ones are great. The Blackbirds, the vintage series as soon as broken-in...
As soon as one gets their beauty, one is lost.
I really do love old Greenbacks and they got their place where one can't replace them, but... THIS JENSEN ATE THE G12 ALIVE.
Yeah the Jensen sounded way better to me too
I have C12R (cheap low wattage) and put it in an old traynor YGM3...sounded great. Very chimey and still good crunch with dirt. And when pplaying more jcm800 i play with a jet falcon 210 cab. Cleans up the fizz on marshalls.
Beautiful tones from both. Personally I prefer the Jensen, I find it more open on upper mid frequencies and generally speaking a bit more "3D sounding" so to say,
Thanks!
On their own I think both speakers sounded great. Back to back I prefer Celestion (maybe because I'm more used to that sound). Thanks Johan for your never ending sound demos and comparisons!
Thanks Bengt!
@@JohanSegeborn Hey Johan! Here's an idea for a vdo, how about mixing a neck/bridge alnico 2 pickup and a bridge/neck alnico 5 magnet pickup in a guitar so we can hear what they sound like together? (duncan 59 neck HB & Gibby Classic 57 bridge HB) and also ceramic bridge (dimarzio DP100 Super Dist HB with a alnico 5 neck HB pickup?
In short do they all mix ok are some better mixed than others or is it best to match-up the magnet types in N&B pups in a guitar?
That SG/Greenbacks combo sounds perfect for early period Sabbath covers.
Yeah, it’s got that War Pigs tone
Really surprised how close they sound! Did not expect that! Great video Johan! Cheers from Seattle, WA !
Glad to hear that! Cheers!
Both sounded great. I really loved what those lipsticks were doing in the Strat. I still lean to Celestion tone somewhat to my ears. God bless and Merry Christmas 🎄🎸😎
Thanks my friend, Merry Christmas!
Jensen P12Q's are my favorite. Great demo
Such sound, what a surprise! Thank you Johan!
Thanks! Yeah Vintage Jensens can be a lot more aggressive sounding than most assume
Amazing that they are so similar. Great work Johan!
Thanks Eddie!
For me this video shows clearly the different between British and American vibes tone legacy.
This is very eye opening! I have always thought of the Jensens as “Clean Only” speakers, but there is some lovely raspy, gargly stuff going on when you really cranked it. Thanks so much for what you do!! I have one Greenback and FOUR vintage C12Q speakers! I am DEFINITELY going to try putting one of them in a 2x12” with the GB and mic both for some all new flavors. ❤️🔥
The king is back.cant wait.👍👍👍🎸👍🎸👍🎸👍🎸👍🎸👍🎸👍🎸🙏🙏🙏
This is a great comparison. I’m a big fan of vintage Jensens, but with the Marshall, the Celestions just sound “right” as they are more focused and peaky in the midrange, which lends that classic crunch. The Jensens have a wider frequency response and a looser feel in the mids. I especially love the old alnico Jensens with tweed Fenders.
the clarity is what i love about em ...
Yeah sparkling but still warm
Both sound great! But i preferred the Jensen with the strat and the Greenback with the SG. 👌
This Will be great Johan!
Cheers Darrell!
The Marshall amp sounds great too
That Strat always sounds great.
Thanks, yeah those pick ups are killer
Please do the Tornado Stealth series, all 3 speakers by Jensen sounds different, The 65W and the 100W (my favorite one, maybe) sounds awesome it seems, but the 80W maybe can shine with you.
Jensen and a tele would be awesome... Let's hear that match up
As always the best comparisons ever Johan! I’m curious about the greenback dust cover, is there any doping surrounding the cover and in the cone? Cheers
Thanks Ignacio! The Greenback cone has doping at the surround as well as at the dust cap. There’s a picture of the cone in the video where it can be seen
Very exiting
Looking forward
Sounded very "tweedy" with the Jensen. Celestion gave it creaminess.
If I were tracking guitar parts on a big mix I would wheel my C12q’s out before my vintage Marshall for sure. Thank you for this video. The Celestions are maybe too fat to create big space between instruments as they are. The less eq the better. Imagine plugging in the Roland 120 into a cab of J’s..
Hi, Johan!
I am very interested and excited about Jensen. In Canada I can get it, but I am not so good in electronics, to replace the old speaker. But its really awesome. Hope to see you a little more!
Siegfried
Thanks Siegfried! Are you in Canada now? Cheers
@@JohanSegeborn Yeah, now I am in Montreal till Friday
@@siegfriedwashburn3484 you mean for the climate thing 😂
@@mohamedtlass3842 Kind of..😏
It's like splitting hairs. They both have something special to offer.
Haha!! I’ve got a Jensen c12q.. ‘65 or ‘67, it’s in a cab. Great speaker, like Johan demonstrated in his post! Keep those videos coming Johan!
Thanks! Glad to hear it!
Both inspiring in different ways :)
Thanks!
Yeah that jensen is amazing.great tone.wow.🎸🎸🔥🎸👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks, glad to hear it
Not a LOT in them, but as I hear it, the Jensen is a bit bassier & smoother sounding, a bit scooped. The Celestion is flatter with more top end & less low.
I'd go either for cleans, and Celestion for dirty!
Rock on! (Cos I can't! ) \m/
Sorry to hear that. How are you?
@@JohanSegeborn I'm ok! Got a broken shoulder!
Had fracture clinic this morning! I am progessing well. Need to take it easy on my left arm!
I might be the dumb one but that looks like a P12Q
P is for alnico and C is for ceramic as stated on their website and that looks like an alnico. Im a little confused
Jensen= more low mids/less shrill highs, G12M= more high mids and highs. Jensen reminds me early Tony Iommi's sound, G12M is vintage '70s sound. Cheers!
Celestion has a slightly nasal tone. Jensen sounds much more transparent and pleasant to my ears.
I prefer the Jensen too
Both are great I have a pair of the jensens and I like them. I think the greenbacks hava little more low end. hard to tell very close. Cheers!
Cheers Darrell!
Johan you’re a great musician and Scientist!
Sounds like the Jensen let amp do the work, while Celestion adds its own character all over the amp.
Surprisingly, I preferred the Jensen
It's not how it sounds, it's how you play it! ;D
Liked a lot the jensen, but if you ask me, could be interesting compare the vintage one with a new one 😊
Yeah I’m gonna do that too!
@@JohanSegeborn as always i'm here to see results :)
No idea it existed differences in speakers.Even Audio\video -96 serviceman.Tested Boss Katana HEAD 100W.It has a 30 W inbuild speaker,if you dont have a cabinet.I say 60 pedals,they 60 effects.Its 5 knobs with green,red,orange selections and bank a and bank b.Cost 5000 Boss MD-500,paid 4500 withshipping the amp.8 Preset and of course infinitive online internet.0.5-50-100W selection.5 channels each 2 variations-10 amps.
G12m ----- C12q
35oz ------ 16oz magnet
1.75" ------ 1.25" coil
Thinking about swapping the Utahs in my ‘73 twin with Jensens.
Those Utahs are very rare and valuable. Don’t get rid of them too soon 👀
I prefer the Celestion
35oz magnet vs 15oz no wonder.
Interesting comparison! I have a '66 C12Q in a VALCO. I think the comparison matches my experiences --- there are many speakers that have a better high gain growl than the C12Q (for sure the Greenback here!), but the Jensen is great for cleaner vintage tones. I find that the Jensen gets kind of stiff and wooden when you try to get it to break up at higher gains.
Thanks!
I like the Jensens at high gains - sometimes. They get that saxophone sound that either sounds good or bad depending on the circumstances. And the motorcycle-trying-to-start sounds in the lows and mids.
Muy bueno !!
Both is killer when break and crunchin but the Jensen is little head overall and the killer when on the clean tones
”””The one to rule them all?
🎬🎬🎬
Is the chassis morphology more influent than speakers type inside ?
The speakers are the most influential part in the sound chain to me but the box is really important too
Both were great. For some reason I can't explain, gotta give the nod to the greenback, a bit more stank perhaps 🤔 😏?
you should see how long it takes to shatter a wine glass
Jensen for me!
I like the c12q because it sounds more unusual. Having owned both, I know there's a reason for this: the Celestion holds together a lot better in most circumstances, while the c12q is more likely to fall apart or hurt your ears. But the c12q has those weird fuzzy noises and beautiful cleans.
Wrong amp to use The Jensen is for C&W and Surf and in a Fender amp The Jensen will blow up being pushed The Rola is made to handle OD I have a box of blown Jensens That sounded great Next time use a Fender amp I love Old Jensen speakers
Can't really call it a jensen anymore tho, since It's a recone. Secondly the recone was spelled "Waldom" with an M not an N, and they were considered basic allied radio shack quality not in high regard. But hey if you like the tone that is all that matters. Sounds fine here but not much like the greenback except slightly in certain spots, but overall has the typical american jensen fender style speaker tone. Being in USA I have had hundreds of vintage jensens of all models and none sounded like a celestion...too different overall from cone to coil to dustcap to mag.. And one can never trust a recone to sound like an original vintage...too many things have changed as you have said over time...the paper used, coils, etc, etc. Fun test tho, always good to compare things regardless, but few will say any old jensen sounds like a greenback. They dont feel the same either. Jensen's tighter stiffer, hard paper dustcap etc etc too many differences add up. Funny I have just gone back to using old fender jensen speakers with my british amps for a change (and since I had 8 identical old fender twin reverb speakers lying around, why not fill up a few spare cabs and try it. Very different from celestion tones, not sure I dig them yet with UK amps, different for sure tho.
Thanks, interesting feedback
How can I identify original Jensen cones then? And as I’ve understood it many Jensens from the 50s and early 60s are re coned
@@JohanSegeborn Maybe it sounds more like a celestion because of the recone, as I have to agree all the vintage "survivors" I've come across sounded patently american, which is my personal preference anyway
@@JohanSegeborn You can often tell orig vs recones just like celestions, the rear of cones often have little white numbers on them, jensen's I have seen started with 301 but there may be others or not in different era's. But it is pretty easy to tell recones done on vintage speakers...things just look too clean and new or have glue slop, etc. Even this one which might be an older recone, the glue around the dustcap looks too much compared to originals. Also many 50s early 60s ones had 10 ribs and not 8 like this one, tho I think I have seen some 8 rib ones that appeared to be orig. I am not a total jensen expert but im sure more precise info is out there just like you figured out with all the celestions.
A jensen C12N will be closer in magnet and coil size to a greenback and a little higher wattage so more apt to be original and not recone, as C12Q tended to blow in deluxe reverbs versus C12N pairs in twin reverbs, as guys would more often push deluxes a bit harder into the one Q more than they would N pairs in twins which were louder cleaner so not apt to be worth pushing for overdrive or shy of clean volume, unless you were nugent but he used Ev SRO or JBL higher power spks. Still the Q and N used the same american jensen style hard ribbed paper cones and dustcaps, with the diff between the Q and N the coil size and watts rating and the magnet oz size. Q have very little low end, and more treble. N better lows and bit smoother, tighter less compression. This was all in open back fender cabs tho. Used in closed backs like your marshall cab may change that obviously.
ps and Waldom recone kit cones usually have a white stamp number starting with W
I feel weird saying this, but i think i like the jensen better.
Same here!
Jensen all the way here, GB sounds just throaty (middy) . B..but... this 1963 Jensen sure is Alnico, right ? 😉 So - it is again Alnico vs ceramic... Anyway, Jensen was NO British tone "long ago before Celestion"... the T0530 (later Blue) began in the late ‘50s, based on a high-end radio speaker from 1936. Older than Avro Lancaster, or what ? Duh... Celestion was founded and made speakers since what.. 1924 - when Bentley won Le Mans
for the first time. British enough for me 😂
It clearly looks like an AlNiCo for the bell cover over the magnet - but the frame says undoubtedly C12Q - which is the ceramic version. Alnico would be the P12Q.
Don't get fooled by the bell
C12Q C7368 is actually a ceramic Jensen with the Bell. You Coldplay find it in the Ampeg Super Twins for instance. And yeah I should have written british Marshall tone.
@@JohanSegeborn Fair enough, thanks.. I´d never think that Jensen used ceramic magnet in 1963... learn somethin new every day 😜
@@heikopfister9739 Yeah, I stand corrected 🤭 ... having P10Rs in tweed Bandmaster, I should have known their codes...
@@tomasvanecek8626 yes, for the bell cover and age of the speaker it's an easy miss. To be honest, I was looking carefully at the footage to verify it's being a C, not a P.
The bell cover...
Jensen
I may be over-simplifying this, but to me everything played on the Strat sounded better with the Jensen while everything played on the SG sounded better with the Celestion.