American vs British Guitar Speaker Comparison - Jensen C12n vs Celestion G12m Creamback - US vs UK
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- I’m comparing the sound of an American guitar speaker with a British guitar speaker.
Which speaker do you prefer? Let me know in the comments.
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Jensen C12N
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UK: www.hotroxuk.c...
Celestion G12-M Creamback
USA: amzn.to/3bRTjM3
UK: www.hotroxuk.c...
I did this speaker comparison to help me decide which type of speaker I like best for each style of guitar playing.
For the American speaker I chose the Jensen C12N reissue, for the British speaker I chose the Celestial G12M Creamback.
I know the Jensen C12N reissue is made in Italy but the design is still based on the classic American Jensen C12N.
Signal Chain:
Mics: Shure SM57 and Rode NT2 close to the speaker and two AKG C1000 as stereo room mics, all blended together to give as true a representation of how it sounded in the room as I could. No mixing effects or post processing.
Amp: Fender 65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue.
Pedals used:
Clean: Flashback 2 Delay set on short tape delay and spring reverb from the amp.
Rock Overdrive: Catalinbread 5F6 (Tweed Bassman style amp pedal) and Ibanez Tubescreamer.
Clean Funk: Origin FX Cali76 Compressor.
Blues Overdrive: Catalinbread 5F6 (Tweed Bassman style amp pedal) and a little spring reverb from the amp.
Rock Distortion: Catalinbread Dirty Little Secret (Marshall style amp pedal) and ProCo RAT
Jazz Clean: Spring reverb from the amp
Here’s a list of other popular American and British speakers.
American Speakers:
WGS G12C
WGS G12C/S
Weber 12F150
Weber Chicago
Eminence Red White and Blues
Eminence Lil’ Texas
Jensen C12K
Jensen P12Q
Celestion A-Type
British Speakers:
Celestion G12M Greenback
Celestion G12M-65
Celestion G12H
Celestion Vintage 30
Celestion Blue
WGS Green Beret
WGS ET65
Fane F70
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Wow thanks for all the comments! Just to be clear, while the current reissue Jensen speakers are based on the design and sound of the original U.S. Jensen models, they are currently made by those lovely people in Italy. So when I say 'American' or 'British' speaker, I'm talking about the tone and design of the speaker, not necessarily the location they're currently manufactured in. Thanks!
the original speakers on the 60s fender amps were jensen, so, regardless of where they are made, they are actually the original "american" speakers. and today's jensen has the actual models still in production.
Hi the Fender Deluxe Reissue comes factory fitted with a Jensen C12K not the Jensen C12N, as far as I know (I had a lot of FDRRI from early 1990´s to 2015 all came with the Jensen C12K or the "Fender original design" that is hit or miss. The Jensen C12K is a 100W speaker with a heavy magnet, a harsh sound that puts a blanket over the highs so not as good as the Jensen C12N featured in this video witch is a 50W speaker, a bit less efficency (97dB vs almost 100dB from the C12K) . The Jensesn C12N as you said Made In Italy modeled with the original Jensens is the best ceramic speaker you can install in a Fender Deluxe Reverb RI if you want the original 60 and 70 sound but with a smoother trebble (enough to eliminate Ice pick sounds and to make the amp overdrive friendly but retainig the original "surfy" sound of that great amp). I make this remark so people that´s thinking of getting a Deluxe Reverb Reissue knows what to expect. That´s why in this video the difference between the C12N and the Creamback (American vs British) is not so dramatic. In this really well made comparison, the Jensen C12N sounds much better IMHO than the Creamback Clean and Overdriven / Distorted. The Creamback has a huge spike in the high mids (Like the Celestion Vintage 30) that makes overdriven sound "spiky and harsh", The Wharehouse ET65 is a version of the Creamback that eliminates that spike. If you want this amp to sound best with overdriven or distorted sound a good British option is the G12H (Heritage series) It´s a greenback, massive magnet, 30w (Real 30W) full range (not as mid forward as the Greenbacks found in Vox or Marshall) It cost almost as much as the Creamback, It´s a very efficent speaker (100Db) so pleny of volume with 22watt if you need It. Hope This Helps
I wanted to like the Celestion better on the drive/rock samples but I actually prefer the Jensen!
I had just the opposite experience. I assumed that I would prefer the Jensen, but I liked the Creamback better in every style.
creamback sucks. he should have used the greenback
@@ubdejones1 They are pretty close, so you must think greenies suck too. The cream is a higher wattage green.
most american spks (especially these new italy C12N) are far too harsh fizzy buzzy bees in jar for rawer overdrive and metal tones, only tolerable w smoother overdrive amps, or smoother pedals such as TS9 etc. Even for fender clean the new C12N is harsh and thin compared to vintage ones. I had one when they first came out...ouch. But vintage amercan spks also sound too bright thin harsh on overdrive type amps like old marshalls. Try them in real life like I did, you cant really judge from YT videos and other peoples gear and playing styles.
It has more mids
Clearly the answer is a 4x12 with one Jensen, one cream back, one green back and an alnico blue with 4 mics.. .
Negative ghost rider I'm gonna need 4 4x12s at home
Need an Emerson speaker in there
The Jensen was a natural sound. The Celestion sounded "musical" like it had a character all it's own.
Such a stark difference! We spend so much time comparing amps and overdrives and the whole EQ could be changed by the speaker.
Excellent review :)
I wanted to pick a winner but....they both sound terrific...maybe a 2x12 cab with 1 of each would
be the greatest sound ever !!!
Good call!
Cool! I prefer the Jensen in every style, although the last "rock distortion" with the Les Paul at least gave this Celestion a chance. That particular Jensen model just sings with this amp. Thanks!
Yes, I wanted to like The Celestion but it didn't work for me. Perhaps the Jazz/Clean sample was tied but that's not my style so I disregarded it.
Both sounds killer (probably courtesy of the player), Jensen is to me more "I have pretty much all the sonic space in mix as I want" and Celestion is "no matter what, you will hear me"
Exactly
@@swagedelic in this demo, it was the Jensen that sounded to me more compressed. But I dont have real experience with it live.
Greenback muddy in live mix? Never noticed that.
I liked the Jensen much more for almost any application. Have to get rid of my Creamback 😉
What suprised me in this clip is that the archtop sounds better to me with the celestion. It seems to me the Jensen is voiced too similar to the archtop - big low end and bright top but misses the mids and the celestion brings the mids out so nicely. Also makes me wonder how these compare in the mix.
Yep. And I thought the Brit did better with the funky stuff, too. But for blues or rock my impulse is towards the Jensen. Now for country twang on a Tele I'd go either way, even tho they're very different sounds. I like both, in different ways.
Agreed
I thought the same thing. This is the only guitar and style where I preferred the Celestion over the Jensen.
Excellent demo. Clean and the funky the Jensen wins, but with a little durt, the Celestion is my favorite
History of Jensen® Loudspeakers
Peter Jensen
Peter L. Jensen dedicated his life to innovation and today's Jensen® musical instrument speakers continue the essence of that innovation. Peter L. Jensen was born in 1886 in Falster, Denmark and came to America in 1909. In 1915, working alongside Edwin Pridham, Peter Jensen developed the "Magnavox", the first loudspeaker. Magnavox speakers were predominantly used for public address systems, famously first used publicly in 1919 to amplify President Woodrow Wilson's speech in San Diego.
In 1927, Peter Jensen founded Jensen® Radio Manufacturing Company and began producing speakers for both military use and radios. The company later began to produce commercial loudspeakers for public use.
In the mid-1940s Leo Fender developed one of the first guitar amplifiers and chose Jensen® speakers for their excellent tone. Throughout the 1940s, 1950s and most of the 1960s, Fender®, Ampeg®, Gibson® and all the other major amplifier companies used Jensen® musical instrument speakers. Jensen® ceased production of their loudspeakers in the late 1960s.
In the late 1990s, under a licensing agreement, SICA Altoparlanti, an Italian speaker manufacturer, commenced production of the legendary Jensen® speakers. These Jensen® "reissues", after intensive research and analysis, are made to the same specifications as the original Jensen® speakers used by Leo Fender and others. Following the success of these reissues, Jensen® has released new speakers utilizing the same quality design as the original Jensen® speakers, but dedicated to modern music, including speakers in the Jensen® Jet Series.
The Jensen® name is synonymous with classic vintage tone, and is the pioneer in modern state-of-the-art speakers today.
I am just posting for those that might be interested to know the history of Mr. Jensen, the creator of the first loud speaker.
Kudos! One of THE BEST speaker comparisons on the Tube! Truly showed the tonal characters of each speaker with all guitar types. Brilliant work!
I have a Deluxe Reverb, Like the American speaker for it. Want it sound the way it intended. I have AC30 and a Plexi for the British voice stuff.
Both sounded great! I’d be happy with either. Considering that an amp can sound different just by moving it around a room, I’m sure most players could coax a usable tone out of either of these.
The sound difference between the two speakers is MASSIVE! Great demo! I have a preference for the Jensen!
Thank you!
I liked both. If I had to pick just one.............Jensen
Thanks TJ, yeah the Jensen has a lovely sound. How about that rock distortion sound at the end though? I think I prefer the Celestion for that.
I have to agree with you on that.
Same here.
The rock stuff with the Lespaul and celestion was well defined and chunky love it.
Thanks for the comment! Yeah I agree, the Les Paul and Celestions are a great combination.
Both are nice but I like the Jensen best.
Thanks for the comment. It looks like the Jensen is most people’s favourite so far!
I absolutely LOVE how tamed and clear the jazz sound is through the creamback!!! I ordered a g10 greenback for my vox vt30 just yesterday, can’t wait to noddle around with an improved clean tone! Thank you for this comparison
Great to hear! Hope you enjoy the G10 Greenback
And the winner is. . . Epiphone Zephyr Regent!
Great video! Jensen 🔊 sounds best, it is a bit bright on the overdrive but you can always tweak the pedal EQ.
I liked them both. It would depend on which side of the bed I got up on as to which I liked best. Jensen is brighter and Celestion is a little darker and mellower. Would love to hear them matched in a 2 x 12 cabinet.
This just confirms what I always felt deep within. I hate Celestions. They have 1khz peak that just ruins the entire sound for me. For those that don’t know 1khz is the part for the bandwidth that gives you that tiny speaker in a tiny box sound. It’s not musical like the frequencies between 400-800. The Jensen is scooped in the mids but sounds great clean. This is why I ended up choosing Fane type speakers in the end because they have a dip at 1khz, musical mids, but do the nice clean Jensen tones as well. Thank you for making this video. I thought it was just the Vintage 30 I hated but it seems to be a signature sound amongst the brand. Also, I use a TS pedal for boosting and with a Jensen or Fane, this sounds huge but on a Celestion it just brings out more of that small speaker sound. Going to save up for some Alnico Jensen’s and Fanes now. Thanks.
Well done! Great comparison and playing! Listening on my Air Pods and with that amp, I preferred the Jensen. Going to have to listen on my studio monitors tomorrow and see if that’s still the case. I’ve actually been considering both of these speakers, so this is perfect!
Thanks. Glad it was helpful!
Really clear difference between the two in your video. That is helpful. Thanks!
Wow. Great Demo. Concise. I LOVE the Creamback. Probably the best single speaker there is. V30's mix well with Greenbacks and T75's, but alone, the Creamback 65 dominates IMO.
great video - quite a big difference between them, but I'm not quite sure which one I would choose
Came here to decide which speakers I want but shiieet, now I need both speakers and another amp.
right?!?
Great comparison, I wanted to prefer the Celestion but I prefer the Jensen in every scenario.
I am pretty sure it would work better in a band situation as well.
Dirt on the jensen cleans on creamback except the jazz cleans you played
incredible demo and beautiful guitar playing friend. best regards!
Hey thanks!
Great video, thanks for your work. I prefer the Jensen, that’s the vintage Fender sound.
Good choice, thanks for watching!
Jensens kick Celestions ass. Celestions sound best clean to me.
Except Jensen is an Italian guitar speaker
This is a great comparison, thanks. I have an old Pro Reverb 2x12 with neo creambacks in it at the moment. Might give some Jensens a go as nature intended one day
The Jensen rappresent the classic american sound but it's made in Italy.
Fair comment! I mentioned this in the description, it’s a shame Jensen speakers aren’t made in the U.S. anymore. The overall design of the reissue is pretty faithful to the original U.S. C12n though. If you want a version that is made in the U.S. then I think a Weber 12F150 is the way to go. Unfortunately shipping costs to here in the U.K. are very high so it made more sense to use the Jensen reissue instead. Thanks for commenting. Did you have a favourite of the two speakers?
@@MichaelBanfieldGuitar You probabily misunderstood my comment. I think that Italian brand produce the higest quality woofer (but also the compression driver) in the world (or a good half, maybe more) so it's a shame that the title is not "Italian VS British".
Andrea Vico ah I see. Yes another fair comment! I like the newer Italian made Jensen’s too
@@andreavico6198 because historicaly, this is the american sound.
@Bodgie1960 - Yes - those re-issue Jensens are really great once broken in
The Celestion definitely for all except the Clean Jazz example (that one seemed a bit too punchy for it. All the others, the Celestion had more bite, and a crisp sound where it seemed to define the chords and notes better and clearer, even in Rock Overdrive. Celestion seems like a winner to me, whether in a Fender or Vox amp. Great comparison!!!
The jensens have more bright crisp attack, the celes are less defined attack wise, but have more forwards upper mids, but not as forwards attack response. I have had all these speakers....try them in real life, the new C12n is harsh and thin as heck. The celes was awesome on clean jazz...took the edge off the attack
I have a 2x12 with those Jensen's. Nothing sounds good into it unless it's a Fender amp. Which is why both speakers sound good in this video; you're using a Deluxe Reverb. I've run everything I own into my Jensen loaded cab - Hiwatt dr103, 69 Super Bass 100, vox ac30hw2, Dr z Mazerati, Greer mini chief, mesa tremoverb, 81 JMP 50 watt. The Jensen's sound horrible with all those amps. If I plug my hand wired Deluxe Reverb or my 61 Tremolux, they sound great. With the Celestion loaded cabs I have, everything sounds good.
I'm coming to the video a bit late
They both sounded great but I think I preferred the Jensen overall.
A few months ago I tested my Deluxe Reverb with the stock speaker vs a Tayden AlNiCo Ace 25. The Tayden was in a 1x12 extension cab so not exactly A/B.
What prompted me to try it was advice from Psionic Audio videos. Lyle at Psionic says that he intensly dislikes the stock Jensen C12K and that all the musicians he has worked with dislike it as well and this started niggling in my mind that i should try and improve it.
I found the Tayden was very clear and pristine and sort of hi-fi, but not as complementary to the Deluxe. However with some other amps (e.g. a Laney LC15R and a cheap Bugera head) the i find the Tayden sounds really good and suits them better to my ear.
So anyway, I've stuck with the stock speaker
Excellent video, thanks! What was originally in the amp? A C12K? If so, was there much difference between that and the C12N?
The Jensen C12 Sounds Better, Over All, in My Ears!! ..
Fantastic playing, both sound good. I have a carvin vintage 16, and I am trying to find a speaker to brighten up the El84s.
i like the jensen for clean and celestion for dirty
Good choice!
Jensen for sure for this demo. Great pedal platform as well. Having said that I do love my Marshall 4 x 12 with Greenbacks using a Friedman PT22 to rock out.
In the living room the Jensen sounds great. In a mix with the band the mids in the Celestion make it a better choice. Bedroom tones and band tones are two different worlds. Thats why an EQ pedal is a must.
Yes I agree, real life results may vary! I tried my best to mic the amp as best I could to give a true representation of the sound of it in the room (see description) but yeah, sometimes you don't truly know whether a tone is really going to work for you until you go out and try it on stage at a gig with the band. Thanks for commenting!
The Jensen's pedigree through the 60's into the 70's and beyond is equal to anything else that was/is around. All gash no flash. Im putting 2 in an open back cab to run with a 15 watt tube amp.
Great demo, the differences and similarities are very clearly evident.
What ultimately is the dilemma, then, is how does any one particular tone work in the mix of the band? Very often, less range, or less bottom, or less mids work best to not crowd the others, especially vocals.
So I suppose the choice comes down to one's willingness to maximally exploit whatever tone it is you've got, to make it work best in whatever situation it's placed.
Adapt, improvise, overcome! 😎
Very good point! Thanks for commenting.
Great comparison, thanks. How about using both speakers in a vintage style 2x12 combo amplifier?
I really like Jensens. I use mostly C12k’s and C10q’s. I was surprised that the Celestion caught my ear when you were playing jazz. I think I preferred the cream back for jazz. Thanks for the demo!
I know, you're right. I wasn't expecting the cream back to sound that good with a jazz tone either. Thanks for the comment!
Sounds so good on over the ear 50mm headphones 💆🏻
To my ears it’s the Jensen for cleans and cream back for dirt. However if I only had the choice of one speaker it would be the cream back as it gives the cleans attitude whereas for me the Jensen does not do the same for dirt.
Jensen more articulate on the light stuff and a pleasing grind when played hard.
This video is amazing, thanks for putting it together! The Jensen definitely excels at clean tones, but gets kind of harsh with overdriven tones. The Celestion does everything well to my ears.
Very good and useful video
US with Jenson?...how about US with Eminence OEM speaker?
I liked Jensen for clean tones, Celestion for anything with overdrive / distortion. Great video!
Celestion Creamback its my favourite xD i have one and i love how it color the sound of everything , but the Italian is a legend and a very sweet speaker too ;) , Happy new year for all you people ! xD
Good choice. Thanks for sharing!
*italian speaker reverse engineered from an old American speaker design.
wow this is really difficult... I have always used G12H30 Anniversary or Greenbacks but this Jensen demo sounds really good!
I am not convinced however that the Creamback sound as good as the original Greenbacks on overdrive sounds. I have just tested (and sold) a G12H75 Creamback which sounded fizzy with overdrive and nowhere near as sweet as my UK made Greenbacks
thanks for the comment! Maybe a separate cab for when you feel the urge?
For anything clean like jazz, country, and funk I choose the Jensen anyday of the week, there's a reason most iconic Fender amps use it. For blues , at first I liked the Jensen, but when I heard the creamback I immediately prefered its thicker rowdier tone . For anything overdriven or distorted, whether single coils or humbuckers , I choose the creamback anyday of the week. And I'm really not partial in this case, since I'm an Eminence guy.
Both have their strengths depending on the guitar and style. I guess you have to have both ;-)
Wise choice!
Overall I prefer the Celestion G12m Creamback but like everything when it comes to guitar, its completely subjective.
I'm an American but I've always been partial to the Celestion sound. I think the British sound shines with crunchy tube sounds especially. I like it though: American amp with a British speaker. You see that. We all can get along. Unless you put a Jensen in a Marshall. There are Geneva Convention laws against war crimes ;-)
Jensen. I prefer the creamback H over the M. Seems to have a tad more bass and upper mids than the M has. Try some WGS Reaper 30 watt.
Useful info. Thanks for commenting!
@@MichaelBanfieldGuitar WGS Retro 30 also. I have both (2 and 2) in my 4X12 👍
My jensen C12N say MADE IN ITALY in my twin reverb 65 reissue. And the ones in this video say made in Italy also, these modles are made in Italy not America.
Guilty as charged, check out the pinned comment. Good choice with the C12N’s in that twin reverb, I prefer them to the C12K.
The greenback/creamback works better for a closed back cab as the Q value is lower than the Jensen type speaker. The resonance frequency of the celestion is 75Hz,, It can sound a little bass shy in an open back cab as most of the guitars bass range is from 85Hz to 150Hz. You want the trapped air of a smaller closed back cab to act as a spring/damper on the speaker cone, raising its resonance frequency ... In general a low Q value around 0.5 should be placed in a small closed back cab.. Around 0.7 or higher is where eminence start recommending using an open back cab..
The celestion greenback/creamback works nice for an amp with some high mids in the signal (1KHz to 1.7kHz),, This is where the celestion creamback has a big gapping hole in the frequency response graph.. The Jensen is this clip is much more present as it has these high mids..
Interesting stuff! I'm thinking of putting the creamback in an extension cab so I'll probably try a closed back cab for it. Thanks for the comment!
Clean Jazz Funk Jensen - Crunch Disto Celestion
The celestions have a special nice chime but in american style music and jazzy I don’t like it. For pop music and rock yes. They give a nicer tone. The C12N are better for punk though. I think I need two cabs with ine speaker eacg :)
Always a good choice when can’t decide, get both!
My mind is still being blown about how different these two sound. Can you confirm that besides the speaker, there were no other changes to the signal path? Same amp, same setting on the tone knob, etc?
Jensen for the cleans. And I mean squeaky clean.
Celestion for the dirty. 🤘
I like your thinking!
i don't really think this is a fair comparison because a British speaker would be played through EL-43 or EL-tubes, not 6L6s.
I see what you're getting at. If I had more amps it would have been good to include some different types in the comparison. Unfortunately I only have a Deluxe Reverb so that's all I can offer I'm afraid. There are plenty of amps that combine 6L6/5881 tubes with Celestions though like the Marshall Bluesbreaker, Fender Vintage Modified line, Wampler Bravado, some Marshall heads like the JCM900 and probably a bunch I don't know about. The Deluxe uses 6V6's anyway. Hope you can still get some use from the video, thanks for commenting!
Great comparison video thanks for sharing! It’s really all subjective to each listener. However, I prefer the Jensen as it sounds more transparent and open allowing for the tones to ring through.
it's amazing how much the speaker impacts the tone, more than actually changing the amp. to me, the jensens sound flatter and more neutral overall, with smoother highs - i love that about them. i prefer the celestions for a clean tone with a little bite, exactly for that midrange, although - or maybe because - they sound a lot more scooped. i don't like it that the scoop isolates the lows and that makes them feel a bit out of control, even though there's less of them, and also that they're a bit harsh, but overall i think the mids make up for that. a combination between them would make for the best speaker. or a 2x12 with one of each. i think the celestions would work better on a 2x12, anyway, where the mid-lows would be filled back in a little more, whereas these jensens were designed to balance a 1x12 just right. a humbucker would also have kind of the same effect on the celestions, plus subduing the treble a little. a subtle hint of chorus would focus the mids a little more on the jensens. for jazz. blues, and rock distortion i prefer the jensens, and the celestion for the rest. but i don't think it depends on the generic genre, as much as on the specific tone you're going for. great comparison, and nice playing!
The clean and funk and blues drive through the Jensen sounded sweetest
The Celestion for overdriven stuff
As everyone would expect
I love the Jensen for clean tones but when I pump my Friedman OD pedals through it it sounds like razor blades cutting through the speaker, just awful. Neo Creamback is on the way and I know I"ll be happy. It's the one speaker I keep coming back to regardless of the amp I'm using. Great video!
Great Job!!! Creamback sounds really good. Regards from MX City!
Thanks!
I go with 2 amps, a jensen one the right and cream back on the left, panned at 10 and 2 oclock : i feel the jensen has a better driven tone and celestion has more bass on the cleaner side, so they complete each other perfectly
Both sound good....because you a great player. If i have to choose one, the Jensen. For Rock the Celestion, it sounds dirty
I have much experience with the Jensen C12, and I respect its quality, but I tend to prefer British speakers like your example. This is because the American speakers tend to have excess energy in the 1.5khz to 3khz octave and the American speakers (esp. Jensen) tend to be deficient in the 200hz to 400hz range like Fender amplifiers are and the combination makes a thin sound that is deficient in body (when combined with Fender). But the C12 is a quality speaker, and I know a number of jazz guitarists who love it.
Great info, thanks for commenting!
I could live with either speaker.
Interesting how the type of music being played really does suit different styles. Thanks for this.
Glad you like it!
Thanks for a great video!!
With that amp I preferred the Jensen by a long margin. My experience echoes yours too.
I was thinking about my own amps... JTM45 through the Celestion Greenbacks? Glorious! Princeton tweed through the American voiced speaker? Great. The latter reminds me of Eric Clapton's Strat tone in the Riding with the King album. Fabulous tone!
I was trying today the Princeton with my favourite cabinet, an open back 2x12 cab with Heritage speakers G 12 M and G 12 H and whilst it sounded okay but it wasn't anything to write home about. I plugged the tiny 8 inch American voiced speaker back (Jupiter 8SC), and the tone returned.
I guess the JTM45 wouldn't sound its best through American voiced speakers but haven't really tried.
For my single coils; the Jensen C12n. For my humbuckers; the Celestion G12m creamback! Glad I own 2 Fender amps.
good observation.
Interesting! Often with shoot-out videos I find I naturally prefer the first option in every case and whilst I thought the Jensen sounded nice, on every occasion I preferred the Creamback
How do you think no the cream backs would sound in a twin reverb? Or should I go with the jensons?
I used the creambacks in a 65 Twin Reverb for a while. Sounds good, especially with drive sounds, if you want to get closer to a British Marshall type overdrive sound from a Twin Reverb the Creambacks will help a lot. The clean sound is good and still sounds pretty 'Fender' to me but purists will prefer the Jensen's if you're going for classic Fender cleans. Hope that helps. Thanks for commenting.
Can you help me? I dont know in wich category a EV12L fall. But my options are a Eminence Legend and a Jensen Raptor (C12). I think the two then to the EV12L character with a twist each. I like to play high gain a lot, im using a Carvin X100b series IV with a Gt 10 for Fx and Boost. And the amp is know to go well with celestion V30 and Ev12L. I dislike the v30 ( a metal guy that hates it? funny uh?) So i would like something that goes to the EV12L, but not that speaker itself. Hence the options. That said, i am considering the Overtones Thick Boy too lol...
The EV12L is an American design but it's very different to the Jensen C12n in this video. The Eminence Legend equivalent to the EV12L is the Eminence EM12. The Jensen Raptor looks like a great option for a modern versatile speaker design.
@@MichaelBanfieldGuitar i have been searching and now i dont know what will be good. There is the Eminence Delta pro 12a too... it just that i dont know if more bass will be good to my tone, but dont want something that cut it a lot and make the amp seems harsh. Right now i have the celestion Rocket 50, they seems quite dark, i think with eq they maybe, maybe can get to sound similar to Celestion classic lead 80. I know it sounds crazy, but yeah, they already cut highs so a boost on the mids somewhere can get it there, its my theory. Anyway, im more in favor of eminence today, just cant decide wich one...
Celestion on the clean, jensen on the dirty
I can hear a clear difference, but I have no idea which I like better. So I would probably go with what I already have. I had a similar experience with the comparison between OD-3 and BD-2.
I guess it's just a matter of taste, some people like strawberry ice cream, some people prefer chocolate ice cream and others just like ice cream...and now I'm hungry.
I used to prefer the AMERICAN sound, but now I prefer the British sound. Especially in distortion.
The Celestion had a British accent.
Great video. The Jensen spanks the Celestion on clean sounds but the Celestion kicks ass as soon as overdrive is introduced.
Thanks! Yeah the Celestion fits so well for those high gain sounds. Thanks for Commenting!
I think you just sold a Catalinbread 5F6! Holy.
Yeah the Catalinbread 5F6 is great, one of my favourite amp in a box type pedals!
Dude, high quality video! All around, literally every aspect! Including your riffage, brother!
Hey thanks for the nice comment Brandon that's really kind of you! Did you have a favourite of the two speakers?
@@MichaelBanfieldGuitar Not a problem, man! And i would probably say overall I slightly prefer the jensen to the celestion? it's so hard, I've been swapping back and forth in my own amp between a WGS G12C/S and WGS ET-65, and I like one and then I like the other, and then I play the british and it sounds amazing, and then I find a weird little thing it does that I don't like. I wish there was a combination of both sounds together in one speaker. I found the Celestion A Type and that sounds like it's up my alley, but its 50w and my amp is 65w solid state. I guess overall though, the american sound is what I prefer, although there are elements about the british tone that can't be beat.
Brandon Neumann I think I get where you’re coming from. I’ve heard very good things about those WGS speakers. How about putting one in a separate cab? Radial do a pedal that can switch between cabs too if you wanted to go all out!
@@MichaelBanfieldGuitar Not a bad idea! never really considered that I guess haha
Brandon Neumann it might be worth looking into. I think that’s what I’m going to do with my celestion. Hope that you find the tone you’re after anyway.
Great job👍
OMG! Where did all the mids go on the Creamback??? That is definitely NOT what I was expecting. I really wanted to like the Creambacks, but I can't see a use for them outside of metal.
The only answer is the Jensen in the combo and a 1x12 cab with the Creamback. I like them both. I bet the Jensen cuts through a mix a little better.
Couldn’t agree more. Thanks for commenting!
Replaced the stock Eminence (American Voiced) Speaker in my Fender Blues Junior III with a Vintage 30 and it gave the amp a completely different character. The thing with the Hot Rod/Blues series amps is that the amp circuits are a combination of Fender and Vox circuitry (all of those amps use EL84/EL34 power tubes instead of 6V6/6L6s), so experimenting with British and American speakers in those amps is a really good idea. I got the idea to use a Vintage 30 because the Limited Edition Blues Junior III had it as its main speaker. I almost considered the Greenback, but then I thought I'd want something with a bit more power. Definitely prefer the quality of the sound of that speaker to my stock Eminence, but it does change the mid-range characteristic a bit. My friend has a Tweed Blues Junior with a Jensen C12N and it sounded 10,000x better than my stock speaker, so If I wanted to experiment with more American sounding speakers, then Jensen is the way to go!
Great demo, it's the Celestion for me
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Both are great nobody's in life are the same allways thats why we need both of them
American sound is clear and happy , the british sound is serious and sad
I love this analogy!