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Methanol Injection- What is it? Why you need it? How does it work?
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- Watch this video on Methanol Injection. This video will explain what it is and why performance enthusiast and shop owners like it so much.
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I was going to google where to purchase meth, figured I’d come to TH-cam first before I get put on some watch list
Funny how old ideas come back, in WW2 the Germans were using this system in their fighter planes, in particular the Ta 152 Focke-Wulf, interesting enough it had BOTH NOS & MW injection operated at different throttle positions!
@Loonytoones85 Nobody cares. Not the point of the comment.
what does a methanol injection exhaust smell like, gun powder? or is it something else
this isnt how to cook meth
@Loonytoones85 Hahaha! Great unexpected response. Some people just don't have a sense of humor.
@@StackBundle quit being a prick. I thought that was pretty cool to learn myself, so yeah somebody does care.
Great vid!!! No dumb shit straight to the point and conveyed in a knowledgeable way!! 👍🏻
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL ! So Detailed and on point with the delivery!
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Super great video short straight to the point and give you a perfect run down of how meth injection works
Thanks for the info. Question I have a turbo Scion FR-S; does it need a tune if I install a methanol injection?
I have a 03 Lightning about to break 100k. running about 430 to the wheels. would I have any problems doing somthing like the to my lightning?
would like to see one on the new GM 2.7t. it has a massive turbo. huge
Excellent Video. Thanks.
Thank you for watching!
On a v6 twin turbo is it better to inject the 6 cylinders with 6injectors just spray with two on the inlet to the plenum as I’ve heard that when using only two injectors the rear cylinders do not get the same amount of spray ?
Hello
I have an caddy ats v, so far its 19 psi 540 hp and i will go to 600hp soon with almost 21 or 22 psi. In this case does the car need meth injection ? Or is it safe enough without it, and what is the side effect if i did not install meth ?
Won’t you need to put the ride back on the rollers for a retune?? Merry Christmas to you and yours
Can you run these in CA or any smog state?
Pure methanol or a mix of water/meth solution, and if so whats the optimal mix?
Great vid
Thanks for watching!
The big question is, can you run this with good results on your daily non turbo ed grocery getter?
Is it possible to run nitrous and methanol?
Im running a fitech fuel injection system with a procharger and intercooler on a BB chevy @ 10.1 comp making 6 to 8 psi on pump gas. Where would the injectors for the meth system be mounted above or below the throttle plates?
anthony pavia I'm running 2 nozzles. One before the Procharger and one after the intercooler. I have a Procharged SBC with a Fitech 1200 hp.
Great video.Very informative. G'Day mates
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching!
How about disadvantages
Termal strain on cylinder head and intakes, plus methanol more corrosive to aluminium than to carbon iron, plus sooth formation on valves from gasoline burning will be completely eliminated by methanol and sooth is a lubricant for valves
Thx for your videos, but one question. Everyone is talking about benefits with one possible downside only if system stops working without appropriate safety signaling. What I am curious to know is what about blow by, and water/meth that goes in to the oil? How do you keep this under control?
Thank you for watching! This is not an issue we have specifically dealt with. The methanol kit manufacturers are probably best suited to answer this for you but I can imagine that a catch may be the answer.
for blow through carbs do you need a plate or can you run through charge tube? tuning the same?
Since Fuel Injection is our specialty, this question is not something we can give much more advice on. I would suggest contacting the companies that manufacture methanol kits as they will likely have great suggestions for you. We work a lot with the guys over and Alky Control, and Snow Performance is another big name as well.
How much would it take to get a good meth injection system for a 2007 bmw 335i ?Also who is a good tuner in the Houston area?
How do these work on winter driven daily drivers? Will anything freeze? Also, (this may be a dumb question), but is it possible to turn off meth injection and just go back to normal, or do certain engines require it? I know it will lessen the HP but i am curious.
It's achol it don't freeze and you wouldn't want to turn it off once you got it
I have sbc gen1 383 stroker with 142 blower. 6.9 psi at 30 degrees total timing..My question is; ıf İ make my boost like 11 psi.. Can İ get away just by dropping total timing to like 20 degree of total timing?or msn 6btm. Or both?
We recommend getting "How to Rebuild GM LS-Series Engines" by Car Tech. According to the book, it suggests to start the cam bolts by hand, torque to 18-26ft-lbs (cams with three small retaining bolts) or 66ft-lbs plus 40 degrees (cams with one large retaining bolt).
all thoughts welcome
can water/meth be used on my 5.0 mustang N/A? how much power should I spect?
It can be used, cant say if it would be a noticeable increase though, not familiar with mustangs
You stated that @5:05 its highly corrosive and a special pump is required however that same fluid is being sprayed with the incharge like it should so the question here is wouldn't that same corrosive fluid sprayed cause any damage to the engine internals? pistons/cylinder walls/plugs or any contact points? Thanks for the Info!
Highly corrosive to aluminium by the way
@@a.a7648 that makes it even worse to aluminum blocks I assume?! Hope we get a reply on those comments! My friend just installed the kit on his S2K!
@@tareqjawdat6401 It needs to be sitting methanol to corrode, it implodes inside the engine so fast it wont generally hurt the aluminum block
Are there any issues with corrosion in the combustion chamber over longer periods of time? Is there any need for special or rings or seals or anything from your throttlebody back?
None that we are currently aware of.
Wouldn't the use of distilled water take care of this?
Does it cause corrosion of the engine
We’re we should put it how far from the engine
If your Methonal tank goes empty while driving is the drivability ok still at low RPM's?
Yeah. I had a kit on a 500hp turbo and when it ran out, it just felt like I had lost 50hp, but it still drove fine, and strong. T
The water/methanol mix basically just makes the car run like it's always on a cold start, or as though the weather is cold.
once it runs out, it goes back to what it was before.
The only time it'd probably not be alright, is if you needed the water/meth because your car might blow up without it, cause of extra boost/heat or whatever reason.
Kits like aqua mist have a low level sensor in the tank which triggers a warning light in its gauge.
They also have safe monitoring feature which puts you onto a non wmi map.
I have a 1985 Cadillac with a 4.1 size engine, obviously is super slow and I would like just some more power ( not for races ) but just to keep up with rest of the cars in the highway.
Can I just this system?
I have a mere Ford Focus SE and I want to add horsepower, is it possible for me to methane inject it? Or should I just look into a forced induction system?
NathanSynth forced induction
It is possible, though I'm not sure why you'd want to add methane to your engine haha
If you are running E85, can you use a meth injection in conjunction with a e85 ?
you can also simply mix the e-85 with water, 50%
@Armando Villa AND if to Use 90% water AND 10% methanol ??
How high of hp do you suggest to get a double nosel?
After around 700+ or so
Have you heard of mixing Gas Ethanol & Methanol together ? GEM ?
Are people mixing this for more horsepower or just doing it for the environment? I got a recipe recipe. I want to try out… but if it’s not gonna give me more power, then I don’t really think it’s worth all the money to buy the fuels I need. Thx
Can i install it to my 320d engine?
You talk about 15 or 20 degrees of timing, I assume that is base timing. But what is total timing? Is it practical to go beyond, say 40 degree total advance? No matter what fuel or water injection you are using?
Chip Bennett that would be
15 to 20 degrees timing at max torque. No way are you running 40 degrees on pump fuel with boost
My dad keeps arguing with me about straight water injection saying how amazing it is. I keep pushing the water/meth setup but he disagrees. I can’t find the answer anywhere so can you tell me once and for all why water/meth is better than just water?
Straight meth for the corvette PD blower guys.
Water meth and alcohol meth are not to be confused …. I have M1 meth by vp racing ..
Water meth =cools the car
Alcohol meth =cools the car BUT it raises octane which means more timing and more power
@@mach183 that makes sense. The one my dad is referring to is apparently a Subaru thing where you spray water at the intake to make the air colder. I think it’s for NA cars. He does it on his bikes too and always claimed it makes a big difference.
@@skatepark02 yeah I remember when water meth came out and lots of racers where using them and it definitely worked
Is a tune required specifically for running meth? I'm already tuned just didn't know if it is necessary to be re tuned after installing the meth kit
No you can run it without our a tune, but if you want to get your money's worth get a retune
How do you combat tooth loss from Meth use?
I get it
Is there any advantages to running meth on a n/a Ls1? Will it damage the crappy plastic inlet manifold?
Can I put it on my 2015 focus N/A engine without a tune as I only want to keep the carbon cleaned out?
You should do a walnut blasting or do a valve cleaning treat mean like CRC or seafoam
Maybe get with Richard Holdener as he has problems making power with Meth injection. He seems to always lose power with it. Weird.
How do activate it for Natural aspiration??
That's what I'm wondering.
Can you explain what’s the difference between methanol and Nos ( I know ones a liquid and ones a gas) but why pick one over the other? Am I right in saying
Is methanol cheaper, used with pump gas and reduced knock and temp? You can then add more air?
Nos just reduced air temp but you can add more fuel ? Can’t find the answers
Meth injection is to control knock and temperature .it is primarily for cooling purpose not octane boost. Nos is a power fuel with an oxidizer sprayed in for short periods of time. The two are not related in any way just to clarify
Ok so methanol is using pumped gas/standard petrol. And it cools the air?
And nos cools the air but also is a fuel ?
If I were to buy a car that already has meth injection what do I need to know? How does it work/what would I need to do to maintain it? Can I run the car without using it? Does it have to be filled and used?
typeav say u have a fuel injection setup and u run out do you have to keep adding more meth/water or can u just drive without it and does it replace the actual gas or do you still have to fill up
wordizzle10 it's sprayed into the intake, generally before the throttle body. So yeah, you still need to buy fuel..
Could I run boost to the top of the tank and set a boost controller to say 5psi and as my boost raises the injection pressure raises could that work?
Likely not. The tank is not what provides pressure to the methanal nozzle. It is the pump in the system. You would be pressurizing the backside of the methanol pump which may not be what the methanol kit manufacturers suggest.
So i just bought a 2013 Taurus Sho from a dealer and it has one of these kits from snow preformance installed. I have no idea what this is, but yeah lmao
Andrew Stiltner someone went racing
Lol i just installed catless downpipes and a low temp thermastat as well as a 3bar map. About to go get it dyno tuned as well
Does this kit have to be used for a supercharged/turbo engine or would it be ok for a naturally aspirated engine? I have a 2013 charger rt and was thinking about setting a meth kit on it
+AnthonyNStacy10 Useless for N/A engines, like a blowoff valve would be.
methanol injection was used in aviation prior to introduction into auto industry. anything that increases octane & reduces operating temps is going to improve performance regardless of whether boosted or not. it also increases engine life due to running @ lower temps most of the time
Absolutely- There are a couple advantages to a meth-H20 system for a N/A engine. #1- You can tune the ignition timing to run at a more advanced rate which generally translates to more HP. This is due primarily to the methanol elavating the octane level of 'pump gas' you're running. #2- The injected mixture dramatically lowers the 'intake charge' tempature, which in fact will "densify" the charge going in to the combustion chamber, which alone creates more HP without adjustments to timing(think of this as the difference between running your car on a very hot summer day as opposed to a cold winter day and how the engine feels much more crisp on that cold day). And #3- The injected mist 'cleans' the inside of the combustion chamber by removing carbon deposits, etc. I'm probably missing something else but these should be reasons enough to run the system IMO
Mohamed ThePedophile wrong
Not true at all. Do not listen to "the pedophile" not that anyone would...
Hi ~tuningschool. How is the nozzle size determined in the methanol kit?
Horsepower of vehicle vehicle engine CC
The AEM kits provide a graph you can use to work out the correct nozzle size
3-5 days is crazy
My car already runs the full timing advance setting on pump gas. It does this by utilizing A prototype that I built.
A video is on my page showing where the distributor is adjusted and A few full throttle pulls.
What if your car was naturally aspirated? Will there be any advantages?
In theory if your intake temps are too high yes it would cure that.....i would think if youre running high compression too it should help prevent knock
You will see benefits but not like a boosted car you may see 10tq 10hp while a boosted car would see 50tq 50hp I would recommend nitrous on a N/A set up cold and powerful
We have a z06 meth injected
Can't find any source of methanol in my country, how about ethanol?
Will this work on an Automatic car? Subaru wrx 2016 CVT
Alberto Bautista no, automatic cars don't have an air intake /sarcasm
I have a non turbo v6 could I run meth on it and get better hp
roni rome nope
2007 bmw m6 v10 should I run a turbo or a supercharger?
Check out our ongoing Forced Induction Series: th-cam.com/users/edit?video_referrer=watch&video_id=k6J24gdbfs8
Upgrade internals when going boosted, engine is already prone to failure on stock powerlevel
Can I run a water meth kit without a tune?
typeav makes sense on a diesel ,or a pulling diesel
What happens if you forgot to fill your meth tank with methanol?
Nothing it’s mostly water and when it runs out the pump will stop trying to spray the intake all it does is create colder air which is denser.
any advantage when i use math in my n\a v6 engine
+Yahya Almalakee Not really, unless you have nitrous injection.
Or if you have unusually high compression, more than 12:1, and having detonation problems, which is not likely.
can't you just use water to cool the intake temps?
+Bart Van Riel spraying water into the intake would risk hydrolocking as it isn't combustible vs meth is a form of fuel if that makes sense.
Chris Atkinson I was talking about vapor, not gallons
+Bart Van Riel I believe that's like the hydrogen setup ppl are doing.
isnt' that how italians used to clean the combustion chambers and valves? a mist of water
sranjesuper I heard of that technique but don't know if its Italian or not
I'm going to try denatured alcohol on my modified go-kart and research shows it is about 50% ethanol, 50% methanol. Opened the main jet to a .062 Will just need to "flush" the whole system with gasoline when after each use.
I use denatured alcohol from Lowe’s, 1200hp fox body, stock 04 cobra motor...
scenario: i have a meth kit installed and i'm all tuned for it. My meth tank runs empty. I decide to go WOT, what would happen?
+denbleyg V you hook up a low level indicator. Once your tank is low, it will trigger a light that you run from the low level switch.
+madman4you thank you.
+denbleyg V You melt parts because it's too lean.
If your ECU is programmed to replace the missing water/meth with extra fuel if the tank is empty, then that would happen instead of melting your engine.
you blow shit up, literally. provided you dont have a fail safe or some sort of alarm
Your ecu switches to the other map you have for non meth assist, because you should have it properly installed
the most funny shot is to make your solution 70% everclear. While expensive, drinking from the tank to analyze a problem is priceless.
Now i know why my friend is running fast because of meth. Lols.
So its nothing more then an intake charge chiller...cool
Dang it wrong meth injection
how has nobody made a meth injection joke yet
😔They have.. 🤦🏻♂️
That’s not even the best part
The best part is the fact meth injection replaces the need for an intercooler, the need of race fuel
while built cars usually have big mods, it’s newer cars where meth setup is suited best-with new cars, you don’t have to hack the car for intercoolers etc
also, response! buy not needing a big intercooler for boost, meth uses the factory pipes and this is more suited for spool time
also, your car bay stays stock-this is a big bonus for expensive cars
I want to add meth to my 87 Chevy Sprint Turbo with 1.0L 3cyl engine... Only running about 5lbs of boost
Why not just run straight methanol ? simpler
the water actually acts as a coolant
when it vaporizes, it takes the energy, in the form of heat, with it out of the combustion chamber and out the exhaust. this is on the exhaust stroke, AFTER, the power stroke. during the power stroke, the water vaporizes (absorbing heat) and creates a steam engine effect as it expands, increasing load on the piston and therefore the "power" of the stroke. as a bonus, the water (now steam) literally steam cleans the combustion chamber, the pistons, and the exhaust valves.
when it vaporizes, it takes the energy, in the form of heat, with it out of the combustion chamber and out the exhaust. this is on the exhaust stroke, AFTER, the power stroke. during the power stroke, the water vaporizes (absorbing heat) and creates a steam engine effect as it expands, increasing load on the piston and therefore the "power" of the stroke. as a bonus, the water (now steam) literally steam cleans the combustion chamber, the pistons, and the exhaust valves.
ok but my experience with M3 etc is that it makes the engine run a little cooler anyways.
+Jamessr23 yep, it does. but the atomized water just works a little better than straight meth.