I guessed correctly 🙂. There is something wrong with piano market, the most obvious things are mis-designed or buggy... Many thanks for covering such issues as this one.
The funniest part, I see how FL Studio reacts in "Hint panel" with lighting on and off, each time I pressing pedal, but not managed to get sustain, without this tweaks.
I’m having the same problem when connecting to a MacBook. Installed the driver… the “duo mode” solution don’t work. Is there anyone to help, please? 🙏🏾
Out of curiosity I checked the MIDI messages that PSR-E383 sends. When you press the sustain pedal it sends 3 cc messages on channels 1, 2, and 3. Channel 1 and 2 have value of 127, but channel 3 has value of 0. When you release the pedal, it sends 0 on all 3 channels. Yamaha DGX-670 also sends 3 messages on channels 1-3 but all of them have the same value, either 127 or 0. I also checked Casio CTS1 and Akai MPK mini. They send cc messages on channel 1 only. Most DAWs except GarageBand probably, allow you to route messages from any MIDI channel to any track. I tested it in Bitwig Studio. If you route only channel 1 to your track then sustain works, but if you route all channels, then sustain doesn’t work, because 0 on channel 3 overwrites 127s on channels 1 and 2. If you want to use PSR-E383 as a MIDI controller you need a better DAW 🙂
I did some more research. PSR-E383 can play up to 3 voices at the same time. That’s why there are 3 midi channels. In split mode, left-hand area (bass) sends midi messages on channel 3. Right-hand area could have 2 channels - main voice (midi channel 1) and dual voice (midi channel 2). Because sustain pedal is shared by all 3 midi channels it makes total sense to apply sustain only to melody / lead voices (1&2) and not bass (3). More advanced / expensive instruments like Yamaha MODX have more channels (16) and more control of sustain and other parameters. Anyways, as I said in most DAWs you can choose which midi channels to record on which tracks. In that case the sustain works properly. The issue you have described is a limitation of GarageBand software.
Tony, I apologize for placing this question in your most recent video, instead of another, more relevant to my question video. You have Hammond SKPRO and Studio Logic Numa Compact 2X (not counting Yamaha DGX-670). The price of Hammond SKPRO 73 key is higher than Nord Electro 6D 73 key (very similar actually) in Canada. What made you decide to get Hammond SKPRO instead of Nord Electro 6D that has very good and upgradable piano (and other) sounds? I am still debating what I should get for myself if I wanted to learn to play organ. I would definitely return P-525 and get (for instance) Yamaha P-45 (on sale now) that I would use with my piano VSTs. I would be also practicing on Yamaha C7 and just learn to play organ (mostly jazz) at home. Your comments would help me to decide what to do. I am still considering Hammond Solo and (as you suggested) XK-1C. I will first need to find a good organ online school. Thank you, Michael
LOL no worries. I decided on the Hammond over Nord (or any other clones like Yamaha CK/YC, etc) mostly because of the better quality organ engine. The CK was fine (sounded great to me . . . at first, because I didn't know too much), but then I borrowed an SK1 (predecessor to the SK Pro, came out in 2011) - it's demo'd a bit in my M-Solo review; and it sounded SOOOO much better (even being that old) than my CK did (and the leslie effect was way better, and the overdrive was better etc). The Nord's sounds are probably closer than the Yamaha, but I always found the Nord user interface confusing, and . . . I knew if I bought something that didn't say "Hammond" I'd end up buying a Hammond eventually anyways. I was very torn between the SK Pro and phase out the Numa so just carry 1 board to band practice vs. keep the Numa for piano/EP and get an XK-4 or XK-1C (also circa 2011) for just organ. The piano on the SK Pro is way better than the SK1, says "Y-CF" on screen so that tells me it's probably the CF Grand sample from the P-125; the EP's are awesome on the SK Pro as well, the only weak voices are the "extras" like woodwinds and brass. I still go back and forth a bit wondering if I should have gotten the XK-4, but now that I have the SK Pro, if I sold it I would lose enough that I might as well just keep it and if I wanted to could pretend it's an XK-4 and just use the organ :) Knowing how you put a lot of emphasis on your piano actions, I am willing to bet you won't like playing piano pieces on a Nord Electro or an SK Pro anyways, so maybe keeping a piano with action you like and just getting an XK-4 might be the way to go. I don't mind playing piano on the semi weighted non graded action, but you might think differently. I know most stores don't stock Hammonds, but if you spent some time on an Electro just playing some of your piano pieces the action is very close so it would give you more of an idea. For training/courses, I have to recommend Marine from Online Rock Lessons, she is an amazing player, and her courses are awesome (the main course is piano, but she has added actual Hammond courses now and they're excellent). The link is in multiple videos of mine but here it is again: onlinerocklessons.com/membership-signup/ If you use PIANOTONE as a coupon code if you go ahead she'll give you a free lesson/zoom intro call. I'm assuming you've seen this video of mine, where Marine gives an intro to playing organ vs piano: th-cam.com/video/vZdTB_T-DdU/w-d-xo.html. She also has some videos on her TH-cam channel you could browse through: www.youtube.com/@OnlineRockLessons And for fun, check out th-cam.com/video/UUKjMqaus1I/w-d-xo.html; band she was in with 2 Hammonds and drums Might even be an idea to try out some of the lessons of hers (or whoever else's) just on whatever keyboard before spending a bunch on a fancy organ Anyhow hope that helps, feel free to shoot me more questions if you want
@@PianoTone Thank you for such a thoughtful advice, Tony. I appreciate your explanation of how you arrived at your decision. It makes a lot of sense! Thank you for your advice on the course and your code. I will heed your advice and start with lessons. I have just bought a book “Hammond Organ Complete” 😊 I will also focus on getting a Hammond organ. Thank you again, Michael Ps. I will just keep P-45 for light home practice and do all my recordings on Yamaha C7
@@PianoTone Tony, it is me again 🙂Could you please tell me if you would recommend Yamaha CK61 or Hammond M Solo? I just want to try cheap. I even thought of Yamaha Reface YC 37. Thank you very much, Michael
The M solo costs more but the Hammond sounds are far better and the key action isn’t perfect but it’s also better than the CK. If you want to try cheap the YC reface is the same sounds as the CK (not as good as Hammond but not bad) - and then get a cheap non/semi weighted midi controller like m-audio (that has 5 pin midi out) and connect that to the reface. The reface sounds are ok but you can’t learn to play on those tiny keys. I did list my M solo on reverb if you decide to go that way
You would expect the sustain pedal to work anywhere, it's a very standard MIDI message. This is so weird. When you get into teacher split mode, some of the actual Yamaha pianos actually convert the left pedal to a sustain pedal (for the teacher) as well. I wonder if the PSR shares some of the firmware and possibly changes the MIDI message of the pedal in this mode. It would be a good idea to use something like MidiView to check what is been sent in either case.
Hey that's an interesting idea! This was a problem with the prior model as well (PSR-E373) but NOT with the next model up in the same line (PSR-E473/EW425) so there's definitely something weird going on there. Thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe
You can fix the sound balance issue on the keyboard too. There is a third function option called 55 DuoType. Change it to 1 Balance. Only the auto chord progressions feature and the slimmer case seem new in the 383. Get the slightly older 373 as its almost identical, even down to this bug!
Thanks for sharing that! Yea it’s not a huge upgrade, although Yamaha kept the price the same which is awesome. The metal speaker grills, smaller form factor and the auto chords are still great for the same $ - if you can find a 373 for a big discount then yeah get that. Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
can someone please help me? my keyboard (the same as you) doesn't work as a midi controller, i plugged into my cellphone and even bought the audio evolution and it doesn't work as a midi controller, im going crazy.
The keyboard should be fine as a midi controller - if you’re connecting it to a phone and it’s not working it’s likely the cable or the adapter (like lighting adapter for iPhone). If you were connecting it to a pc and it didn’t work I would say make sure to check for a driver. Also test out some other MIDI apps on your phone see if those work (like GarageBand if it’s an iPhone). Hope that helps! Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
@@PianoTone Thank you for the answer! I really liked your channel. about the keyboard, I tried other apps and it still didn't worked, but when i connected my cellphone to a bluetooth speaker it worked but with a delay.
I don’t think it’s GarageBand - other apps also have this issue - I think it’s something to do with Yamaha not sending a standard MIDI message on the E383/373 (this is not an issue with the Yamaha PSR E473/EW425)
@@PianoTone To use an instrument as a MIDI controller you need to understand how midi works and how the instrument works. Yamaha instruments usually send midi messages on multiple channels. In many cases you have to tell the software what to do with those multi channel messages. As I said in my another post the sustain didn’t work in Bitwig Studio DAW initially with default configuration, but after filtering out midi channels 2&3 everything worked. With more complex instruments like Yamaha MODX you always have to manually configure midi channel routing in your DAW.
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I guessed correctly 🙂. There is something wrong with piano market, the most obvious things are mis-designed or buggy... Many thanks for covering such issues as this one.
Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
The funniest part, I see how FL Studio reacts in "Hint panel" with lighting on and off, each time I pressing pedal, but not managed to get sustain, without this tweaks.
I’m having the same problem when connecting to a MacBook. Installed the driver… the “duo mode” solution don’t work. Is there anyone to help, please? 🙏🏾
Out of curiosity I checked the MIDI messages that PSR-E383 sends. When you press the sustain pedal it sends 3 cc messages on channels 1, 2, and 3. Channel 1 and 2 have value of 127, but channel 3 has value of 0. When you release the pedal, it sends 0 on all 3 channels. Yamaha DGX-670 also sends 3 messages on channels 1-3 but all of them have the same value, either 127 or 0. I also checked Casio CTS1 and Akai MPK mini. They send cc messages on channel 1 only. Most DAWs except GarageBand probably, allow you to route messages from any MIDI channel to any track. I tested it in Bitwig Studio. If you route only channel 1 to your track then sustain works, but if you route all channels, then sustain doesn’t work, because 0 on channel 3 overwrites 127s on channels 1 and 2. If you want to use PSR-E383 as a MIDI controller you need a better DAW 🙂
I did some more research. PSR-E383 can play up to 3 voices at the same time. That’s why there are 3 midi channels. In split mode, left-hand area (bass) sends midi messages on channel 3. Right-hand area could have 2 channels - main voice (midi channel 1) and dual voice (midi channel 2). Because sustain pedal is shared by all 3 midi channels it makes total sense to apply sustain only to melody / lead voices (1&2) and not bass (3). More advanced / expensive instruments like Yamaha MODX have more channels (16) and more control of sustain and other parameters. Anyways, as I said in most DAWs you can choose which midi channels to record on which tracks. In that case the sustain works properly. The issue you have described is a limitation of GarageBand software.
Hey cool thanks for sharing all that super helpful!
Tony, I apologize for placing this question in your most recent video, instead of another, more relevant to my question video.
You have Hammond SKPRO and Studio Logic Numa Compact 2X (not counting Yamaha DGX-670).
The price of Hammond SKPRO 73 key is higher than Nord Electro 6D 73 key (very similar actually) in Canada.
What made you decide to get Hammond SKPRO instead of Nord Electro 6D that has very good and upgradable piano (and other) sounds?
I am still debating what I should get for myself if I wanted to learn to play organ. I would definitely return P-525 and get (for instance) Yamaha P-45 (on sale now) that I would use with my piano VSTs. I would be also practicing on Yamaha C7 and just learn to play organ (mostly jazz) at home.
Your comments would help me to decide what to do. I am still considering Hammond Solo and (as you suggested) XK-1C.
I will first need to find a good organ online school.
Thank you,
Michael
LOL no worries. I decided on the Hammond over Nord (or any other clones like Yamaha CK/YC, etc) mostly because of the better quality organ engine. The CK was fine (sounded great to me . . . at first, because I didn't know too much), but then I borrowed an SK1 (predecessor to the SK Pro, came out in 2011) - it's demo'd a bit in my M-Solo review; and it sounded SOOOO much better (even being that old) than my CK did (and the leslie effect was way better, and the overdrive was better etc). The Nord's sounds are probably closer than the Yamaha, but I always found the Nord user interface confusing, and . . . I knew if I bought something that didn't say "Hammond" I'd end up buying a Hammond eventually anyways.
I was very torn between the SK Pro and phase out the Numa so just carry 1 board to band practice vs. keep the Numa for piano/EP and get an XK-4 or XK-1C (also circa 2011) for just organ. The piano on the SK Pro is way better than the SK1, says "Y-CF" on screen so that tells me it's probably the CF Grand sample from the P-125; the EP's are awesome on the SK Pro as well, the only weak voices are the "extras" like woodwinds and brass. I still go back and forth a bit wondering if I should have gotten the XK-4, but now that I have the SK Pro, if I sold it I would lose enough that I might as well just keep it and if I wanted to could pretend it's an XK-4 and just use the organ :)
Knowing how you put a lot of emphasis on your piano actions, I am willing to bet you won't like playing piano pieces on a Nord Electro or an SK Pro anyways, so maybe keeping a piano with action you like and just getting an XK-4 might be the way to go. I don't mind playing piano on the semi weighted non graded action, but you might think differently. I know most stores don't stock Hammonds, but if you spent some time on an Electro just playing some of your piano pieces the action is very close so it would give you more of an idea.
For training/courses, I have to recommend Marine from Online Rock Lessons, she is an amazing player, and her courses are awesome (the main course is piano, but she has added actual Hammond courses now and they're excellent). The link is in multiple videos of mine but here it is again: onlinerocklessons.com/membership-signup/ If you use PIANOTONE as a coupon code if you go ahead she'll give you a free lesson/zoom intro call. I'm assuming you've seen this video of mine, where Marine gives an intro to playing organ vs piano: th-cam.com/video/vZdTB_T-DdU/w-d-xo.html. She also has some videos on her TH-cam channel you could browse through: www.youtube.com/@OnlineRockLessons
And for fun, check out th-cam.com/video/UUKjMqaus1I/w-d-xo.html; band she was in with 2 Hammonds and drums
Might even be an idea to try out some of the lessons of hers (or whoever else's) just on whatever keyboard before spending a bunch on a fancy organ
Anyhow hope that helps, feel free to shoot me more questions if you want
@@PianoTone Thank you for such a thoughtful advice, Tony. I appreciate your explanation of how you arrived at your decision. It makes a lot of sense!
Thank you for your advice on the course and your code.
I will heed your advice and start with lessons.
I have just bought a book “Hammond Organ Complete” 😊
I will also focus on getting a Hammond organ.
Thank you again,
Michael
Ps. I will just keep P-45 for light home practice and do all my recordings on Yamaha C7
@@PianoTone Tony, it is me again 🙂Could you please tell me if you would recommend Yamaha CK61 or Hammond M Solo? I just want to try cheap. I even thought of Yamaha Reface YC 37.
Thank you very much,
Michael
The M solo costs more but the Hammond sounds are far better and the key action isn’t perfect but it’s also better than the CK. If you want to try cheap the YC reface is the same sounds as the CK (not as good as Hammond but not bad) - and then get a cheap non/semi weighted midi controller like m-audio (that has 5 pin midi out) and connect that to the reface. The reface sounds are ok but you can’t learn to play on those tiny keys.
I did list my M solo on reverb if you decide to go that way
@@PianoTone Thank you, Tony.
You would expect the sustain pedal to work anywhere, it's a very standard MIDI message. This is so weird. When you get into teacher split mode, some of the actual Yamaha pianos actually convert the left pedal to a sustain pedal (for the teacher) as well. I wonder if the PSR shares some of the firmware and possibly changes the MIDI message of the pedal in this mode. It would be a good idea to use something like MidiView to check what is been sent in either case.
Hey that's an interesting idea! This was a problem with the prior model as well (PSR-E373) but NOT with the next model up in the same line (PSR-E473/EW425) so there's definitely something weird going on there.
Thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe
You can fix the sound balance issue on the keyboard too. There is a third function option called 55 DuoType. Change it to 1 Balance.
Only the auto chord progressions feature and the slimmer case seem new in the 383. Get the slightly older 373 as its almost identical, even down to this bug!
Thanks for sharing that! Yea it’s not a huge upgrade, although Yamaha kept the price the same which is awesome. The metal speaker grills, smaller form factor and the auto chords are still great for the same $ - if you can find a 373 for a big discount then yeah get that.
Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
can someone please help me? my keyboard (the same as you) doesn't work as a midi controller, i plugged into my cellphone and even bought the audio evolution and it doesn't work as a midi controller, im going crazy.
The keyboard should be fine as a midi controller - if you’re connecting it to a phone and it’s not working it’s likely the cable or the adapter (like lighting adapter for iPhone). If you were connecting it to a pc and it didn’t work I would say make sure to check for a driver. Also test out some other MIDI apps on your phone see if those work (like GarageBand if it’s an iPhone). Hope that helps!
Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
@@PianoTone Thank you for the answer! I really liked your channel. about the keyboard, I tried other apps and it still didn't worked, but when i connected my cellphone to a bluetooth speaker it worked but with a delay.
Perhaps the Garage Band needs to fix their software.
I don’t think it’s GarageBand - other apps also have this issue - I think it’s something to do with Yamaha not sending a standard MIDI message on the E383/373 (this is not an issue with the Yamaha PSR E473/EW425)
@@PianoTone To use an instrument as a MIDI controller you need to understand how midi works and how the instrument works. Yamaha instruments usually send midi messages on multiple channels. In many cases you have to tell the software what to do with those multi channel messages. As I said in my another post the sustain didn’t work in Bitwig Studio DAW initially with default configuration, but after filtering out midi channels 2&3 everything worked. With more complex instruments like Yamaha MODX you always have to manually configure midi channel routing in your DAW.