Ernesto De La Cruz's Fate Explained! | What Happened After The Bell?: Discovering Coco Theory
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Isaac explains Ernesto De La Cruz’s fate after he was crushed by a bell… for the second time.
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Oh Ernesto. Why did you have to be such a mean person? You were so talented, suave and oozing with machismo so when the first bell fell on you I was shocked! The thing is though that you also, spoiler alert, murdered your best friend Hector and attempted to doom Hector’s grandchild Miguel to the land of the dead sooo when you ended up here, I didn’t feel very bad when another bell fell on you. But when I started to really think about what happened to you I just couldn’t pinpoint what your ending was going to be. Ernesto De La Cruz did that bell bring you to the final death or are you still roaming the Land of the Dead?
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Definitely. Although he was a good singer, he received that fame by stealing it from his best friend and murdering him. Of course he’s going to essentially live on in poverty until he is forgotten, if he’s EVER forgotten.
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I like to think Ernesto De La Cruz is enduring eternal suffering, as while he’s still in the Land of the Dead, he’s arguably THE MOST despised individual there, meaning he’ll be remembered for his cruelty, and thus be reduced to what Hector started out the film as (when us viewers first meet him, that is)! Either way, karma’s a real B***H, ain’t it, De La Cruz? 😈😈😈😈😈
Anyways, another great video as always, Isaac! Keep up the great work! 👍🏻👍🏻
Ernesto was not thinking long term when he murdered Hector. had the bell not killed him he would have run out of songs and it would become very obvious that he was not writing the songs. He could come up with some excuse like that he was retiring, but someone could see through that.
Ships in Coco:
Hector x Imelda
Ernesto x Bell
Lol good one
*Ernesto X Belle
Angela Lotz XD YASSS
HAHA!!
Miguel x Guitar
Ernesto is a type of evil I hate. He easily could have just kept Hector on his payroll and have him write from home.
He claims that he did not felt hatred for Hector, but why would he not only poison him, but discourage him to not go to the doctor by suggesting him tlhe just ate bad chorizo? I'm pretty sure Ernesto lied and he did hate Hector, but eventually told himself it was necessary to the point that Ernesto started to believe it, and his grudge was gone. If he felt bad about what Hector did, he could have made sure Hector lived off decently in the land of the dead instead of letting Hector live as he did
@@OMartinez91 I don't think ernesto had HATED hector. He wanted to be the greatest musician to ever lived, hector, as he said in the movie, wanted atleast a lil bit of credit, if ernesto credited hector then he wouldnt be the greatest musician, singer, AND song writer, he'd just be greatest singer, and even then eh i mean hector's voice is better. So yeah, this was necessary for him to do his evil deeds
@Super Great716 i know he's evil
But the other commentor said that he hated hector
And as i said, i don't think that's the case because ernesto told hector "I CANT DO THIS WITHOUT YOUR SONGS" and hector said sorry bruh im out
So ernesto HAD to kill him in order to achieve his dreams, because hector didn't allow him to keep the songs, so i think he's evil yes, but i also think that what he did WAS necessary for him to be the greatest musician ever. I tried making this as clear as possible i even repeated my self twice lmao
@@eroith5133 idk if that completely makes sense.. only because if he killed him to not give him credit then what was the purpose of having him performing with him on the road. It would've been the same outcome if he would've stayed he still would have to give credit. He also easily could've found another song writer some song writers like to stay anonymous as long as they get paid under the table.. so killing hector was pointless to his goal. I think he just got carried away with emotions and at that time thought now or never and didnt consider anyone else's feelings or life because hes " evil" it did seem alittle personal because he felt abandoned by his friend the rest of his actions wasnt personal it was just to keep the secret.
@@lelelew2735 Both comments I said he's evil..
And, hector packed up his songs before he tried to leave, yes there's plenty of musicians out there that would be more than happy to be "ghost writers" and just get paid, but those other writers are NOT hector, ernesto wanted those specific songs, the songs that were considered by many if not all "The best ever", you cant be the best musician if you just write good songs, and you can't be the musician if youre just good at playing instruments/singing, to be the best musician you have to be the best at both
So, as I said a few times already, ernesto was evil, yes, but he did NOT hate hector, ernesto needed hector's songs (He even told hector "i cant do this without your songs), hector didnt want to stay and wanted to keep the songs he wrote, cause he wrote them, so, killing hector WAS necessary for him.
So, he is evil but he didnt hate hector, atleast not at the beginning.
Who’s to say he isn’t just spending his eternity under the bell?
Gas Mask sulking 😂😂😂
Maybe even the bell abandoned him.
Albert Muriithi ouch
Mustiboi Salman nice
There’s also a police force in the land of the dead, so that could mean he’s just forever imprisoned in the land of the dead which I’d argue is a fate worse than the final death
"You can't kill something that's already dead."
Coco: Well yes, but actually no
@@Anonymous-pc7eb yep
When they got forgotten tho
that isn't even how the quote goes
Spottedleaf from Warriors: yep
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You know? I think your theory of Ernesto living with disgrace and being hated, losing everything he worked for is a far better punishment than just death all together.
Loki Vanni he’ll wish he’s dead.
It's called living in purgatory.
there are worst punishment than death
Does everyone go to the land of the dead? Is hell a thing? If so, why want he instantly there? Did he trick Satan? God? No. Also, it would have been more interesting to see Ernesto get thrown into hell...
@@Therebesquare I wonder if there is a Judicial system for the dead.
Ernesto:*exist*
Bell:im about to end this whole mans career
Skeleton Ernesto:*exist*
Bell:Here we go again
Before he hits bell some guy stars playing to be continued theme
Literally😬
Nowendern YT twice
Why you gotta go making me laugh man? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
There is a police department in the afterlife of Coco. What if he is literally spending the rest of his days in prison?
The bell is too heavy for them to lift-
@@nooreisa7175 They have some very huge spirit being though that may be able to lift it. That said, they may not care to either.
@@knellycornnan5132 what does it look like?
@@nooreisa7175 I don't think that all of them we represented in the movie. It was a behind the scenes thing, but there is that one sort of lion with wings.
@@knellycornnan5132 wait you mean pepita? Mama imeldas alebrije??? :0
According to my Disney Magic Kingdom game, he's lost his tower, his reputation and all his prestige. No one is even willing to rent him a tent.
Thats really sad man
I wouldn’t wish that upon my worst enemy
What game?
No one, except for Emilie Agreste…
True, he will survive in the land of the dead but he will never return to the living world or enjoy the lavish “life” he had in the land of the dead. He will no longer have a place on any offrenda, therefore no offerings.
Question. if he cannot die and his body will always rebuild its self. Wouldn't he just be trapped under that bell for all eternity? It's not like he has super strength to lift the bell nor would anyone help him, and the only thing that would help is his spirit guide which was either the porcupine or the puppy looking things neither would be able to move the bell.
That is true. If no one moved the bell he would remain there for eternity until he fades away. That sound like a horrible fate. Thanks for watching!
You mean the chihuahuas?
Keep in mind that the spirit guides were said to be very powerful, and weren't just ordinary animals. So I wouldn't rule out him getting freed by them through some means all too soon.
If they depised him and hated him, wouldn't he be living longer in the dead
Integral Gamings Dante wasn’t exactly all powerful. Just very loyal. I would say the same with Ernesto’s chihuahuas.
The messed up thing about the afterlife in CoCo is that there is no judgement.
Ernesto was a murderer, but he was still able to basically be in heaven and enjoy a nice afterlife.
Good point
The world of the dead isn't heaven
@@mirkala8696 That is why I said "basically be in heaven." His afterlife is what most would consider to be heaven.
@@sirarnie9837 yeah but he would tormented by all the haters he will be hated by the people in the land of the dead too so yeah i don't think there is a way for him to stop being hated by other people
Probably a limbo before judgement.
But, the thing is, Hector was being forgotten despite everyone in his family knowing of him and hating him. Unless part of the memories keeping them around needed the name for it to work.
Wellll not exactly
Because if u remember only Mama Coco remembers him but barely due to the fact that she was around before his death everyone else didn’t know him or how he looked like because Coco’s mom ripped the face off there photo
No one knew him, except for Mama Coco, after Imelda's death.
No one in the family knew him except Imelda and Coco. No one else even knew his name. Imelda made sure no one was ever able to speak about him, she wanted them to forget him.
They didn’t know him personally and Coco was losing her memory. When she dies at the end of the movie he doesn’t die even tho no one remembers him personally because his photo was put up on the ofrenda.
At least Ernesto did hit the notification bell.
am I right.
hehe......
I HEAR YA! BING*
Lol
OH MY GOD I GOT THAT WHEN HE GOT HIT BY THE BELL but im not laughing i has no soul ;-;
Ser Pway 👌😂 That was so lit amigo!
That’s what I thought he subscribed
I think being shunned and remembered in infamy will be a crueler fate than a Final Death.
NickyVendetta Plus no home visits since nobody is putting his picture on an ofrenda....though there still might be some unconvinceable die-hard Ernesto fans out there.
He can still be shunned and living in the slums in the LotD.
Ernesto would become a recluse in his mansion
I have an idea of what happened to Ernesto afterwards. If Coco had a post-credit scene, it would show Ernesto now becomes a resident in the complex of the nearly forgotten souls where he's banished after his crimes were exposed. Because I think banishment is a better punishment for Ernesto than imprisonment (and we also don't know whether or not there're a prison and/or court in the Land of the Dead), unable to face the Final Death or even cross to the Land of the Living as he is now remembered as a murderer and fraud in both realms.
Honestly, he'd prolly still have fans in the living world, even with his crimes exposed. I mean, everyone knows Frank Sinatra and the rest of The Rat Pack were connected to the mob, and that Elvis was a predator, but they're still beloved.
5:27 a fate far worse then death whos only mercy is being forgotten truly a terrible punishment for a terrible person a existence as close to hell as Mexican mythology gets
MEEDIAMONGER GAMEMODDER what is it
My theory is that he became trapped under the bell when it landed on him at the end of the movie, and the other residents of The Land of The Dead decided to just leave him in that confined space, alone with his own thoughts, for eternity, the ultimate punishment for such an egomaniac.
Dustwarewolf 55 Now that’s a logical theory
Just like Porky (from Mother 3) and Wheatley (from Portal 2)
He's security is loyal to him. They already know his true personality
@@micahbell7840 Pretty sure they were just doing it for money,the second Ernesto's true side was discovered they probably acted "Woooooooooow...He is evil? I had NOOOo idea...Let's leave" basicly,they stopped being loyal when it stopped benefiting them.
@@cbfranco3307 Money in the Land of the dead?? They don't need food because they are dead. 🤣
CoCo's ending makes me cry every time. 😢
kirara2516 me to especially the song and when hector finally sees his daughter again.
kirara2516 me too
What happened at the end again, I was crying my eyes out so everything was fuzzy.
Me to 😭😭😭😭😭😭😢😭😭😭😭
your not alone bud i also cry
something that confused me after watching the movie:
if ernesto is now being remembered through hatred, why was hector being forgotten? his family passed down his story for generations about how he left his family to pursue music and never came back. miguel even talked about it at the very beginning of the film. shouldn't that be counted as people remembering him?
He wasn’t mentioned in the beginning
Not his name or how he looked like he was forgotten
He as more or less remembered as a warning tale (what to not do) than what he was in life (no one alive even knew his name)
Ariel RF only Coco knew about him not his name but his songs
The difference between the two, for me at least, is that Ernesto still has a statue of his face with the “Forget Him” sign, which still lets people remember who exactly this guy was, while Hector was never really known by anyone in the family, yes everyone knew that long ago Imelda’s husband left her and their daughter but they never actually knew _who_ the husband was, with eventually no one having a picture except Coco
Piggles Goomshby yeah since coco was slowly dying and she was the only one who remembers him Hector would have died
Does Ernesto carry a magnet in his pocket or something because metal seems to be atracted to him
Probably yes...or no?...
Probably a joke, but no the bell fell always due another force. During his life, when the first bell fell, someone pulled the switch by mistake. During his death when the second fell, the bell loosened due to his body hitting it. Nothing to do with metal, just gravity.
@@fornax5798 ummmm...ok I believe this is TRUE...soo not a magnet who cause it...(why am i comparing it with a Goal in a Soccer though 😅😅🤣)
5:19 Not being able to die from the Final Death but having to live in the land of the dead with no one going to care so much about you and losing everything that you've worked so hard for. Truly a fate worse than death. And all of this happened because of his greed.
For shame Ernesto..For Shame.😤
@Shadow Hedgehog couldn't have said it better myself
Like Dantes Inferno that's worst than being forgotten and disappear
@@Wh1stle_03 without context this is hilarious
They probably just put him in skeleton jail.
That place is very bad
Even though the bell didn’t bring Ernesto to the final death, he’s still clearly stuck under there- and I doubt anyone’s gonna let him out!
So my thought was that when he was crushed under the bell there was no way out. His bones would be too big to fit under the tiniest cracks there might be and I doubt that people would let him out if they had he same thought process as me. Under the bell he'd slowly go insane and since people won't forget him, his time under there would go on and on.
But even if Ernesto De La Cruz does continue to live in the land of the dead it would be like his own purgatory where he is unable to leave and every he is reminded of all his bad deeds he did in the land of the living. Plus the people in the land of the dead probably left him under the bell anyway. So all he sees is darkness just like him cold black soul with no light sight.
Dark
That took a turn.
he won’t be on any ofrenda so no more offerings. but yeah, as long as people remember him (presumably forever, as he’s described as the “most famous singer in mexican history”) he’ll remain in the land of the dead. he’s probably not having a good time lol
@Shadow Hedgehog This actually brings up a question. How do the spirits deal with criminals? Everyone in the land of the dead seems to be good happy honest people. Maybe a swindler here or there, but no one notorious. However, major criminals and outlaws are still remembered.
I think back to another film that deals with the land of the dead. Corps Bride. The spirits there are also fun, good, honest people. However, at the end od the film we see a more sinister side when they deal with the dead Barron. Almost like they made his afterlife a literal hell.
Which brings me back to Ernesto. Would the spirits leave him under yhe bell? Maybe. But I feel like there would be something else they would do. Something to keep him away from all the good honest spirits, and punish him for his crimes in the land of the living.
Sadly a lot of individuals get away with their horseshit because people think it's no big deal or it's funny or they don't know they did anything
He probably still inside that bell. They should of had a end or mid-credit scene where he says “Can someone get me out of here!!”
Hello! Hola! But nobody’s there to help him.
That would have been really funny lol.
There is honestly, no feasible way that Ernesto could ever be completely forgotten, he was a musical icon while he was alive and even though he was most likely discovered to be a fraud that just makes him one of the biggest hacks in the history of music, he will NEVER be forgotten.
On top of that, due how popular he is implied to be, there are gonna be some die hard fans that would remember him fondly. I mean look at R. Kelly, he has been accused of so many different things with mountains of evidence stacked against him, but there are still superfans who think he is innocent and would probably take a bullet for him.
Am i the only one who feels like Hector and his family have rights to everything Ernesto has/had??
Like they should move in his palace
They are a Mexican family living a simple life in a small town. Getting rights is not their main motivation, nor is the main thing bout the narrative of a Mexican family. Their strength comes from
being together, supporting and loving each other.
@@ErnieKings27 true that, even when Hector got his fame and potentially all the publicity for his works, not one scene shows him having a life of luxury or wealth with fans or bodyguards. It's just him and his family, using music to bond with his family instead of the public. He never saw his family less than fame, he even left the tour because Ernesto only cared about fame and he felt homesick, but losing his family for a century made all his ambitions for the public disappear
So in the Pixar universe Adolf Hitler, Mao Zedong and Stalin are technically still alive. I mean if Frida Kahlo exists in this universe then Leon Trotsky most likely does as well, which most likely means Stalin existed.
@Roadwhore no in hell not history
Brian Tyler
True, but they are probably suffering the same fate as Ernesto.
But doesn’t it seem that only people from Latin cultures live in the Land of the Dead? Because they are the only ones who celebrate the Dia de Los Muertos holiday.
Is pretty much a Méxican thing, other Latin countries don't celebrate it like Mexicans do. We at most buy a nice bouquet and leave it with our gone family. We don't celebrate or do parties or anything just church and flowers
@Super Dynamic videos que parte no entiendes? Si es lo primero, gente como Stalin, Hitler y Mao todavia viven por medio del odio, pero no es probable ya que parece ser algo exclusivo a los Mexicanos
This is why I personally think Ernesto is one of the best villains in all Disney movies
Me when I meet him: *Calls FBI*
Ernesto: Oh hell nah
Me: oh hell YAH
I personally believe that before he was forgotten, they NEVER moved the bell that fell on him. Like just left it there for people to insult him, or better yet. BANG on the bell everyday xD
"Ding Ding Ding, top of morning!!"
Also I believe that Miguel's family would use the funds from hector's museum to BUY all of Ernesto's merchandise, and pay lawyers for ALL the rights. Thus allowing them to buy most of it. Though he might still be around, but as long as those in the afterlife remember to HATE him, they would keep the bell where it is... TRAPPING him forever, where people can keep annoying him. Like I said, I hope they have people banging the bell every day at random. While his goods he acquired over his afterlife would go fully to hector and his family :)
A fate worse than second death!!!
Moral of the story, being hated is worst then being forgotten.
We saw the other skeletons put themselves back together, but we didn’t see what happens if the bones were broken.
Hector has a arm fixed with tape, he's probably laying trapped and broken under that bell
And crushed
@@CaityRaindrop i think that thats part of his shirt where the other one is ripped and the other one stayed
@@CaityRaindrop while a little bit ripped
king of games and anime
Ikr. Though, I'm pretty sure if the bones can stick to each other without anything holding them together, pieces of bones could do the same thing.
That stagehand worker must’ve felt really bad after that. But little did he know he killed a lying selfish murderer. That dude is a hero!
I finally noticed that Ernesto may never received his final death, which means he's going to live an absolute squalor all his afterlife. Him being forgotten maybe his only mercy that he receives but sadly he will never have that mercy. That is truly a fate worst than final death. He'll never be able to pass on.
My opinion: He will stuck in the bell forever
that's what i thought!
Alphys Kawaii Good point hahahha😂😁😀
HAHAHAHAHAHA VERY FUNNY!😅😂🤣
Lol probably
I imagine a post credit scene where he is still in the bell, begging anyone to get him out and singing "Remember me" miserably.
Next time in Coco 2: Ernesto’s revenge. Who can see this coming😂
If Ernesto were able to get out the giant bell.
I need this
bikanella me
bikanella I can definitely see it I imagine him coming back with his clothes all tarred apart some cracked bones and having glowing blue eyes for some reason with pure hatred against everyone
Also imagine there were creatures that are like soul creatures but there nightmare creatures long forgotten and corrupted that could be used by Ernesto to destroy the memories of the people they loved and somehow erasing them from existence plunging the land of the dead into darkness forever forgotten like him
Another fact about Ernesto's death at the end was that even if he survived the bell, then there is no in the land of the dead that he can go that he won't be able to be yelled at for his actions, so that is why the bell in the land of the dead truly crushed him to death once again.
I always just assumed he was around but was stuck under the bell.
In my opinion, ernestro's defeat is one of the most satisfying disney villain defeats. Like he no longer has friends, he no longer has his fans, he lost his huge mansion, his money, his gifts from his fans, and he is gonna be alive in the land of the dead for many years to come while being remembered as nothing but as a lying selfish murderer and being hated. I think it's way better than him being forgotten because he deserves to still be in the land of the dead while being hated for many years. It's like letting a horrible criminal live in jail for many many years instead of giving the criminal a death penalty. Why? Because death penalty is only a punishment that lasts for a few seconds, so letting the criminal pay for it's actions while staying trapped in jail alive for years is a way much better punishment. I don't know, that's my opinion. But yea, him getting crushed by a bell for the second time is only just the beginning of his suffering, he is now gonna be hated and rejected by everyone who used to love him. That's what he deserves for killing his own best friend who just wanted to see his family again.
fire miracle Also putting his bffs family in misery and agony from banning the music which his killing kinda set a catalyst for that.
You think they will make a COCO 2, should be interesting
fire miracle. If anyone also ever thinks to get him out of there, he should be taken to jail where he will stay until he is forgotten, unless they believe that being trapped in the bell is a far better punishment for him to stay where he can't get out.
I've always thought that the only thing worse than dying is wanting to die and not having the ability to do so.
I’m happy someone’s covering this, I’ve been wondering this for awhile.
Not to mention he'd still be trapped under the bell for all time
Ernesto verbally admitted his Reputation is the most important thing to him. Justice was definitely served to this villain. Even if hypothetically he had retained a few companions and wealth, he would have to live out eternity in the land of the dead shamed, ridiculed and hated by those in our world and theres. In the land of the dead they know he murdered hector and tried to kill a living child.
After hector’s reveal as the true music genius came to light in both worlds he lost the one thing he cared about - his reputation. Hector will live on in the world of the dead with the love of his family, music, and reputation he now deserves. Its a better justice served than most Disney movies where the villian just falls to there death or something. Ernesto must live his nightmare for essentially forevermore
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HK
Woah... That's deep...
A first step to 'killing' Ernesto would be to erase his name. (In Ancient Egypt this was the most important part of the punishment for the most serious of offenses)
After a while this will create a disconnect between Ernesto and Hector's betrayer in people's memories.
The Romans referred to the practice as "damnatio memoriae," and was the worst punishment imaginable, worse than any of the many, many, many forms of executions they devised and formalized. That, and the ancient Egyptians would also erase the names of deceased political rivals.
that movie is based on mexico not egypt
@@apokryltaros Sorta makes you wonder the true history of the old world. The first thing colonizers did even beyond the 1700s was burn down documents, the books, the records, etc, replace it with their own and spread lies stating that no such records ever existed and everything was spread orally.
@@Ratchetonater Read about the poetic eddas, it's basically a weird way to fight that.
No. I don't think that's the right punishment for him. But being hated and scorned for the rest of his afterlife might.
5:40 not even Disney is safe from darkness
1:16 luckily he'll be redeemed
I'm glad that Ernesto gets to live like Hector had to for decades.
What do Coco and The Book of Life have in common?
They both have falling bells
Nekoette Chan oh yeah
Nekoette Chan yeah bells fall very easily in Mexico
Scott Carpenter yeah one fell on my aunt😂😂💀
Exactly
Nekoette Chan i
I don't think he will be left with nothing at all. He will probably still get a lot of ofrendas from people ignorant of his crime, people that deny his crime, and people who don't care about his crime.
But he will exist as a pariah in the land of the dead. Being hit by the bell again was a poignant humiliation signaling what was to come.
A part of me can't help but think he's just trapped under the bell now and nobody bothers to get him out. After all no way he's moving that off himself by himself.
The pause pic of Ernesto is priceless!!!🤣
3:38, now I got that song "Forget you" by CeeLo Green
Which is actually called F**k You. Forget You is the radio friendly version.
@@KittyKatt_Luna80s which is what I would actually say to Ernesto
New enemy found. The Bell 🔔. The killer 🔔
A challenger approaches.
Riddles 4 U Taco Bell
What is the bell just trapped him forever?
Coco captured my heart
Me:
Hey I need that
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Ernesto lived in the Land of the Dead. Just like you said: he lived through constant mockery and shame, he became an outcast. Lol, I feel pretty bad for him, considering the only birthday gift he is gonna get is constant reminders about how he was a traitor, murderer, fraud and probably alot more than that..
I think he's still trapped in that bell...
Probably until he's forgotten
Imagine him kicking inside of he bell calling for help
Stinkyink YES
Stinkyink me two
D a r k e n e d S o r r o w
Very
Factual
Deduction
When a Nester got crushed by a giant bell at the beginning😰 when he got crushed by a giant bell at the end😝
My seventh grade teacher has the same city lamp as you
I don't think he's going to lose anything he already has, but he definitely is going to have to ration it, as it's clear he won't be getting any more.
He’ll probably still get some offerings from fans who either don’t care he stole another’s songs or fans who blindly believe in him and deny he actually did those horrible things.
Though it will be nowhere near what he got before the events of the end of Coco happened.
Or plot twist: he's stuck inside the giant bell, singing remember me in a miserable tone, waiting for someone to hear his voice and free him from his small prison, and counting the days until he's rescued it forgotten.
until those fans die and the people of the land of the dead show the recorded Live video of Ernesto not only unintentionally confessing killing Hector and stealing his songs, but throwing Miguel off his huge tall home or stadium
Ernesto craves adulation from fans/audience
Never ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee!
AJ Jones Wow, I'm so Donne
Aye, t'is. True.
I guessed that after getting crushed by a bell again,he was erased early
My theory is that there’s also a ruler/king/queen/prince/princess/mayor that has a memory stone that can erased living people’s memories of there dead relatives as punishment
Hi, Wotso. I think not only will Ernesto lose everything, but he's also going to be stuck under that bell until his Final Death, because none of the dead will care enough to help him get out from under it.
I always thought that he got forgotten by everyone in the real world and he had the final death. And I was also thinking that in the movie if people did remember him at first, they would, after a few years, soon forget him.
SS Dreams I thought that to
It's not that easy to forget someone you hate.
Oh his infamy will be remembered for a long long time. And that will be Ernesto's eternal Hell.
Actually I don't think, that even when he was a murderer and liar, that everyone would hate him in the real world after finding out who Ernesto really was. I mean, I'd say at least one family in Mexico would still love him for his songs and movies and simply ignore his other side. He was, after all, /the/ most famous singer in the country, and a bunch if not all famous historical people who did a bunch of bad things (like in war) still have people supporting them. Mexico's a huge place, not everyone will think along the lines of justice and the idea of what's right and wrong.
I need to watch coco again
He's probably still inside the dark bell. Like, there is no way he is able to escape! To he's just living in darkness. Wouldn't be surprised if he becomes claustrophobic.
The time he got squished by a bell for the second time,
The bell was rusty which meant that his reputation was ruined because of what he did to his best friend.
Best Friend 🧐.
At the end of the movie, people in the real world realized Ernesto is a fraud. He was, eventually, forgotten and likely a social outcast amongst the dead
alize0623 Ernesto won’t be forgotten.
I feel like Ernesto would still be remember by die hard fans.
alize0623 he can’t be forgotten cause history will teach Ernesto killed hector
In the movie it looked more that you must be remembered Fondly to be in the land of the dead, any bitter memories seem to not count at all, Ernesto could still be alive most likely thanks to a few veeeery huge fanboys that will forever love him and will refuse the fact their hero was a backstabber fraud, but maybe not for long, there’s the chance those fans are of very old age as the modern world most likely now see him in a bad light.
Nobblk Praetorian valid point
He was probably stuck under the bell forever.
Nobody:
Ernesto: Let me hit dat notificarion bell!
Bell: I about to end this mans whole career
Ernesto: *Hits bell* (no really)
Also Ernesto: *Oof's the 2nd time*
The irony of how Coco ended is how stories like this end in real life- Look at how many celebrities turn out to be obscenely horrible people, but after a few years, no one cares about their crimes anymore. Even the worst monsters get that kinda rebirth- People start becoming indifferent to the crime, or worse- They paint them as the victim. Look at Marvin Gaye for an example, people were so appalled by what a monster he was to his wife, mistresses, and groupies with benefits that many areas banned his music, like they're doing with Michael Jackson now. Then it became "But he was a a great performer...", then it was "Remember him as this, not this..." And now, discussions and biopics on him paint that his own father shot him in self defense as this huge tragedy, and ignore that Gaye was going after his mother in the altercation he was killed over.
Ernesto got the equivalent of a career slump.
akiameko1984 hold up MJ never did anything wrong
He may not have had his second death, but I'm pretty sure that heavy bell broke some bones.
But, if you see at the beginning of the movie, Miguel runs into papa Julio and all of Julio’s bones broke. But they all gathered up again and was fixed. Same thing happened later in the movie where hector jumps of that bridge thing
That's just them falling apart, I'm talking about actual broken bones.
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Pls make Ernesto's backstory
Bonconickel no not really
ok
Donnie The Doughnut. I aggre the backstory
Donnie The Doughnut yea
Also permanently trapped under the bell for all time.
I like to think that Ernesto is trapped under the bell forever. After he fixed himself he got trapped beneath it, and obviously no one wanted to help him so he's trapped forever.
What I want to know is this: we found out that the photo of Mama Imelda and toddler Coco was folded to hide the part of the photo containing Hector. Which means that technically Hector's picture really was on the offrenda the whole time. So why couldn't he cross the marigold bridge in previous years? Is it because his image isn't visible on the offrenda? Or because the photo doesn't contain the image of his head? That seems petty, because nobody says the rule is "your face must be visible on the offrenda". The rule is "your picture must be on the offrenda."
Technically they need a face to identify the person. Otherwise anyone with Hector's body shape could have crossover.
They do face recognition in the land of the dead
Coco and the book of Life are also both based on Dia de las muertos and who knew that a Disney movie presented with Pixar would bring out this beloved tale.
I like to think that Ernesto was just stuck under the bell for the rest of his death, just sitting there being basically crushed until he's forgotten about but that'd probably never happen so he just suffers constantly
also some people wont believe miguel or his family. most will probably just assume there lying and continue to praise Emesto
In the land of the living yes. In the Land of the Dead it’s irrefutable as it was caught on camera
All things considered, I feel like Ernesto would've actually PREFERED being simply forgotten over what he got - roaming the Land of the Dead in disgrace, bereft of everything he once had, and hated by all.
I love how Hernesto sounds like "Honesto", the Spanish and Portuguese word for honest, and ironicly, honest is what he is not.
Or ernest, since his name could be an allegory for "ernest from the heart", which he is not.
@@seanadams9332 Pffft, no way in hell! 😤😡
Bell: I’m about to end this man’s whole career, twice.
Loved this video! How about some more How To Train Your Dragon videos?
……...Well if Ernesto isn't "Final Dead", then I guess that leaves the possibility of him coming back in the sequel... Coco 2, The Revenge of Ernesto!
Or Coco 2: The Wrath of Ernesto!
ERNESTO!!!!!
sprinkles girl It sounds better with Wrath!
Yes just like Wrath of Khan! Sounds more serious and epic!
If only he could find a way out of that bell.
Wait a second, so how did Miguel convince people to hate Ernesto? I missed something in the movie.....
LPS Lily shops the letters???
He exposed him
Plagiarism, murder,and attempts murder.
Remember, it took a year for everyone to know the whole story. A lot can happen in that time.
Plus we don't know for sure if he exposed the murder or not. But exposing that he stole all his songs was much easier for Miguel to do.
lets just say hes trapped in the bell
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I’m only assuming that all the luxury, fortune and fame that Ernesto once had will be given to Hector and his family in the land of the dead.
He was crushed by a bell just like when he was killed the first time.
also there seems to be enough space inside that bell so at worst his hand got crushed or something.
one more thing, at the end no one likes him, making him more memorable and thus granting him total immortality because he won't be forgotten.
I know he said most of this in the video but I figured this out on my own before watching it.
Yeah, but it will be filled with hate and at most, hindered love that people won't act on due to becoming a social outcast for doing so. Worst case scenario, he'll have to hang out solely with those musicians who have done similar crimes in life or maybe even serial killers.
He’ll probably end up homeless
Ernesto. Doesn't. Deserve. To. Be. Remembered, or even. Live, because, he. Is. A. Bad, bad, man.
He'll probably still have his huge house, but no one will help him to keep it clean and he'll stay alone in there in disgrace
What if he's still under that bell in the land of the dead lol, his skeleton is obviously fine but can he get himself out from under that bell cause I doubt anyone would get him out. I say he's stuck under the bell for the rest of his existence.
He's probably Imprisoned Under that Bell.
The truth is
He is stuck under the bell being alone
I don’t think he won’t be forgotten. They will always know he stole his friends songs.
Coco 2: Evil Mastermind brings a memory wiping device and terrorizes Miguel’s town
THE LUCKY TITAN or just make a short sequel like tbey did with Toy Story and Cars where Miguel goes back to the land of the dead to see if Hector did not fade away to get closer and he gets his red Hoodie back.
I’m assuming in the land of the dead, he lives with nothing. And in the living world, I’m going to go ahead and guess that, given the contextual cues that said things like”Forget You” on his grave, that word got out that he did away with Hector.
Coco finally revealed her father’s name, then reveals his poems and lyrics, then there’s a photo of him WITH “Ernesto’s guitar”, and the fact that he disappeared in the same year that he went on tour with Ernesto. This is probably mentioned somewhere in one of the letters, maybe like “I am having a fun time with Ernesto!”. I feel like if Miguel or anyone had brought that to any musical historian or authority, then word would have gotten around quickly, especially considering that he disappeared forever and then Ernesto magically appeared and claimed to have owned this guitar and written these songs. A lot can happen in a year, and even if poor Hector’s body wasn’t found or something, those puzzle pieces add up and rumors spread fast.
broadwaymelody33 Good theory.
they might know he murdered Hector or just know he stole the songs
Wolves600Gaming The fact that they let the Rivera’s keep the guitar though is a big thing. That was in de la Cruz’s crypt for over 70 years, after all. There must have been something substantiated that came out to prove that it wasn’t just the fact that he stole some lyrics, but also his guitar. And how he got the guitar probably became a thing that led to more questions answered. “This was Hector Rivera’s?” “Yes, our grandfather Hector went on tour with Ernesto and was never heard from again, but Ernesto had his guitar and lyrics” “.....huh...”
You're so right, I never thought about that!
I still wonder about the phase, "memories have to be passed down by those who knew us in life in the stories they tell about us" I wonder then who know him in 'life' to tell his story. Or is it not know him personally but that they has stories of him his lifetime?
A Fate more befitting for him I feel, the final death is too good for him in my eyes.
It was wrong for del la cruz for taking credit betraying miguel's great grandfather hector right before the the bell crushed to embrace his fate everyone and the rivera family are not pleased with Ernesto for what he had done and to hector here at building Ernesto' s monument is set to the exact same thing for where the church bell is forgetting him of all the madness.
There might even be some people that still give him offerings. There's always at least one fan who will stand behind their idol no matter what. They would go from justifying the idols actions to saying that they never did that.
Honestly I hope that even when he gets to the Final Death he's just sent back to the Land of the Dead to continue to wander. His actions being so heinous he doesn't even deserve a proper peaceful end