I fully agree with her contention that “effort counts twice” view-plus the need for “us” to observe that “we” tend to have a bias towards only seeing the “talent” part of the equation. However, people should read chapter 3 of her Grit book. Specifically, checkout the paragraph just after her sketch (notional equations or graph) “talent x effort = skill ➡️ skill x effort = achievement” . (Page 42 of 349 in the paperback I’ve got). “…Of course, your opportunities-for example, having a great coach or teacher-matter tremendously, too, and maybe more than anything about the individual.” “My theory doesn’t address these outside forces, nor does it include luck. It’s about the psychology of achievement, but because psychology isn’t all that matters, it’s incomplete.” “Still, I think it’s useful. What this theory says is that when you consider individuals in identical circumstances, what each achieves depends on just two things, talent and effort.” (Duckworth, A. (2016). Grit: The power of passion and perseverance. Scribner/Simon & Schuster. Ch3, p 42.) (Of course, she also mentions in her book-and in the video above-that a certain kind of difficult practice is needed (for skill development). Plus, her overall concept grit is strongly defined as someone who can sustain focus & passion on a narrow skill set, goal, or area of expertise over the long term.) BUT, as an overall view of success, getting a good coach, having time, money, resources, being “lucky” in either opportunities OR just in choosing the right career, speciality, business gamble, etc, at the right time is highly significant in outcomes between people who are not equal in those things. But, as she says, the things you can control (and I’d even argue talent is maybe not one you have too much control over, itself-but maybe you can identify your strongest particular type of talents?), effort applied over the long run counts twice: first towards skill building, and later towards employing those skills with more effort towards producing valuable outputs.
Have seen many talented people giving up and failing and many average people succeeding. By powering through problems you learn and evolve by stopping making effort you evolve in nothingness
I've alwyas been good at art but I just don't care that much about it. It's more like a second hobby to me. Swimming is my passion but I don't want to be an athlete so I really don't know
"If you hire brilliant, talented, smart people it's good for you but it's no guarantee that you're hiring the most passionate, hardest-working, resilient and growth-oriented people."
Always fascinating to listen to Ms Duckworth. Her book on grit was a great read and should be used in high school. She is absolutely right, I have hired kids with great academic performance and they don’t necessarily do better than kids who had to work through high school and college and have lower gpa’s. Same as kids who went to great colleges and those who went to lower ranked colleges. You can get high performers from both.
Absolutely true. When I was younger, I absolutely hated math -- failed it like no man's business. They got me a really persistent math tutor. Even when it rained, you'd here him knocking on the door. 😂. Back then while he was forcing me to work and practice, I didn't see the point. In my final exam, Math was my best done subject. Never believe that your efforts are pointless. Lesson in Life: The greater the effort, the greater the results you will get in life.
one thing I disagree on!....her last sentence....there's nothing wrong in not being at the top of that just "one" game.....I find that there's nothing wrong in learning many different things in life, but not necessarily "finish" them, as long as your'e having fun and enjoying yourself! I got my commercial Captain License at age 63...not to work with but just for fun and and it was a long term dream! Currently I'm pursuing health issues, hence hitting the gym for Cardio & Weight lifting. I restarted learning the piano at age 65 and having extreme fun! in two years time I hope to start a degree and eventually a PHD in Psychology! What's wrong with that?..Life is to short to stick to just one game! ...I want to experience them all......and having fun in the process!
Nothing to disagree there, you are actually finishing what you are starting or working on something that is useful to you but I think what she is saying is people whom are quitting or never really start doing .😮
Most of us can become quite good in many different fields with effort applied over the time. I think she's talking about practicing at an expert level.
love this, but curious about how people are still able to ride bikes without years of 'practice' or does the 'ease' of a life skill prevent one from losing it?
Stop your ego from judging her and listen. You become what you focus on. Keep entertaining the story that you can't and you wont. Visualize a better future and stop your past and society from telling you who you are. Your ancestors knew better and we have thousands of tools they didnt have..
I fully agree with her contention that “effort counts twice” view-plus the need for “us” to observe that “we” tend to have a bias towards only seeing the “talent” part of the equation. However, people should read chapter 3 of her Grit book. Specifically, checkout the paragraph just after her sketch (notional equations or graph) “talent x effort = skill ➡️ skill x effort = achievement” . (Page 42 of 349 in the paperback I’ve got). “…If course, your opportunities-for example, having a great coach or teacher-matter tremendously, too, and maybe more than anything about the individual.” “My theory doesn’t address these outside forces, nor does it include luck. It’s about the psychology of achievement, but because psychology isn’t all that matters, it’s incomplete.” “Still, I think it’s useful. What this theory says is that when you consider individuals in identical circumstances, what each achieves depends on just two things, talent and effort.” (Duckworth, A. (2016). Grit: The power of passion and perseverance. Scribner/Simon & Schuster. Ch3, p 42.) (Of course, she also mentions in her book-and in the video above-that a certain kind of difficult practice is needed (for skill development). Plus, her overall concept grit is strongly defined as someone who can sustain focus & passion on a narrow skill set, goal, or area of expertise over the long term.) BUT, as an overall view of success, getting a good coach, having time, money, resources, being “lucky” in either opportunities OR just in choosing the right career, speciality, business gamble, etc, at the right time is highly significant in outcomes between people who are not equal in those things. But, as she says, the things you can control (and I’d even argue talent is maybe not one you have too much control over, itself-but maybe you can identify your strongest particular type of talents?), effort applied over the long run counts twice: first towards skill building, and later towards employing those skills with more effort towards producing valuable outputs.
Talent by changing the place of a letter you can write the word 'latent'. Thus talent is something that is. Talent must be aroused, nourished for talent to blossom. If effort negatively affect talent, the potential, effort in this case doesn't matters more than talent. Let's imagine this situation the effort is for a child to walk miles to come to school. That effort, due to its nature can be a negative element, the child can be tired. In a state of tiredness the child cannot focus in order to express his or her talent. What matters more is to understand the peculiarity of situations. The detected peculiarity should be the basis of a conclusion. In saying 'why effort matters more than talent, it is like in every case, effort matters more than talent. The idea of 'Why in some cases, effort matters more than talent' would be more appropriate
In my contention, I truly agree which this female human being statement. It is so focused and attentive that I fully respect what metro boomin and Dj Khaled said. Therefore I can successfullly confirm and state this as a true hood classic..
All things being equal, talent trumps effort everyday. Talented people are typically just as passionate as the less talented and are going to put in maximum effort and get better results.
Yes ma'am u mentioned that repeated practice higher possibility of expertise however, you confused me here with the statement " one can do these ten thousand of time and remain a mediocre and not becoming a super star" this has rather confused my understanding that repeated practice can actually achieve more compare to talent. Can you help explain here what you meant by this
As I understand, someone who works 8 hours a day, five days a week for 40 years till retirement repeating drudge work without any challenge will not become an expert. For example if someone keeps copying Picasso to sell knockoffs will not become the next Picasso, as there is no challenge beyond basic skill to copy. This is just assembly line work. There is no creativity or conceptual breakthrough. Similarly, someone who makes breakfast, lunch and dinner everyday for 60 years will not become a great chef. That requires many other factors like passion, obsession, exploration and creativity.
I hate effort and I have my reason and that is ,I've loved soccer my entire life right now and I made a promise to my younger self saying I'll be the best , so I trained not very hard but some practice. I thought I was good but I was very mistaken I played at school and I WAS HORRIBLE I hated myself more than anything thats when I got serious and really put in the effort, so I practiced really hard and I just like that I hv become a decent player so I enjoyed that but after some time I saw talented people play the sport and THEY ARE SIMPLY AMAZING like 13yr olds were far better than me. That hit me hard knowing that all that effort I put was for me not be one of the best, just for me to be good enough. The promise I made to my self I was all a stupid joke I really wish I was talented, My family would hate me becoz I was lazy and didn't put any effort. While to be honest what's the point of effort if I'm not gonna be number 1 (look at Ronaldo and Messi and you will know what I'm saying) imagine putting 100% for another person to put 10% and still be something amazing and be no.1. I just hate putting effort if its all for nothing
@@SeeveJo Sure they do. Talent is innate aptitude - you get what you get, and it can't be increased. Skill is a different matter, which can definitely be greatly increased with persistence, even by modestly talented people. But it's silly to suggest that persistence can always compensate for lack of talent.
@@paulmarshall9189 Thats true.So why do so many people like this speaker, continually suggest otherwise? Im sick of this lie that you could learn this, that or the other.To be quite frank, its B.S
Its not 10,000 hours.There is no 10k hours, never was.No significance to that figure at all. Its made up rubbish.You could do 20000 hours of deliberate practice, and still be rubbish.
I read a study which showed grit had almost zero bearing on academic outcomes, which seems to contradict the content of this talk. I really think innate ability is what matters most..
@@pinny492 I swear to God that nobody.. literally nobody.. not Francis Galton himself.. would endorse your stupid oversimplified view.. Go update your knowledge dummy 😂
Well, i can tell you first hand, effort will NEVER, EVER make up for a lack of talent.Try as you might, your efforts are pointless and futile against the power of Talent....
@Darrel Dragonheart well, there have never been hundreds of thousands of studies, in fact not even hundreds.Of all those that have been done, it seems effort is only a relatively modest contributor, with other unexplained factors having a greater effect.
Even if the effect is close to negligible it is your best shot to worry and try towards things you can control such as effort, source of motivation, motivation etc. Even if effort plays minimum or negligible role when viewing things independently still in macro scale the return you get is at least quantifiable over the long term.
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I fully agree with her contention that “effort counts twice” view-plus the need for “us” to observe that “we” tend to have a bias towards only seeing the “talent” part of the equation.
However, people should read chapter 3 of her Grit book. Specifically, checkout the paragraph just after her sketch (notional equations or graph) “talent x effort = skill ➡️ skill x effort = achievement” . (Page 42 of 349 in the paperback I’ve got).
“…Of course, your opportunities-for example, having a great coach or teacher-matter tremendously, too, and maybe more than anything about the individual.”
“My theory doesn’t address these outside forces, nor does it include luck. It’s about the psychology of achievement, but because psychology isn’t all that matters, it’s incomplete.”
“Still, I think it’s useful. What this theory says is that when you consider individuals in identical circumstances, what each achieves depends on just two things, talent and effort.”
(Duckworth, A. (2016). Grit: The power of passion and perseverance. Scribner/Simon & Schuster. Ch3, p 42.)
(Of course, she also mentions in her book-and in the video above-that a certain kind of difficult practice is needed (for skill development). Plus, her overall concept grit is strongly defined as someone who can sustain focus & passion on a narrow skill set, goal, or area of expertise over the long term.)
BUT, as an overall view of success, getting a good coach, having time, money, resources, being “lucky” in either opportunities OR just in choosing the right career, speciality, business gamble, etc, at the right time is highly significant in outcomes between people who are not equal in those things.
But, as she says, the things you can control (and I’d even argue talent is maybe not one you have too much control over, itself-but maybe you can identify your strongest particular type of talents?), effort applied over the long run counts twice: first towards skill building, and later towards employing those skills with more effort towards producing valuable outputs.
This speaker is a gem
Have seen many talented people giving up and failing and many average people succeeding. By powering through problems you learn and evolve by stopping making effort you evolve in nothingness
I have actually seen people with no talent quit because they could not accomplish what a talented person could.
I've alwyas been good at art but I just don't care that much about it. It's more like a second hobby to me. Swimming is my passion but I don't want to be an athlete so I really don't know
Efforts & Talent = thank you for sharing your idea on efforts counting twice.
"If you hire brilliant, talented, smart people it's good for you but it's no guarantee that you're hiring the most passionate, hardest-working, resilient and growth-oriented people."
Always fascinating to listen to Ms Duckworth. Her book on grit was a great read and should be used in high school. She is absolutely right, I have hired kids with great academic performance and they don’t necessarily do better than kids who had to work through high school and college and have lower gpa’s. Same as kids who went to great colleges and those who went to lower ranked colleges. You can get high performers from both.
Absolutely true. When I was younger, I absolutely hated math -- failed it like no man's business. They got me a really persistent math tutor. Even when it rained, you'd here him knocking on the door. 😂. Back then while he was forcing me to work and practice, I didn't see the point. In my final exam, Math was my best done subject. Never believe that your efforts are pointless. Lesson in Life: The greater the effort, the greater the results you will get in life.
one thing I disagree on!....her last sentence....there's nothing wrong in not being at the top of that just "one" game.....I find that there's nothing wrong in learning many different things in life, but not necessarily "finish" them, as long as your'e having fun and enjoying yourself! I got my commercial Captain License at age 63...not to work with but just for fun and and it was a long term dream! Currently I'm pursuing health issues, hence hitting the gym for Cardio & Weight lifting. I restarted learning the piano at age 65 and having extreme fun! in two years time I hope to start a degree and eventually a PHD in Psychology! What's wrong with that?..Life is to short to stick to just one game! ...I want to experience them all......and having fun in the process!
Nothing to disagree there, you are actually finishing what you are starting or working on something that is useful to you but I think what she is saying is people whom are quitting or never really start doing .😮
Most of us can become quite good in many different fields with effort applied over the time. I think she's talking about practicing at an expert level.
I with you
Hard work always beat talent if talent don't put an effort.
Clear and impressive. You'd find more on this theme in the book The Eloquence of Effort.
SHE IS REALLY TRUTH TALKER, A GEM
Powerful message. If you have the full session or you you know how i can get the full session, kindly help me. Thanks!
Great video. Tysm.❤❤👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
love this, but curious about how people are still able to ride bikes without years of 'practice'
or
does the 'ease' of a life skill prevent one from losing it?
Riding a bike might be easily recalled due to muscle memory, but you can't become an expert if you don't practice regularly and deliberately.
Stop your ego from judging her and listen. You become what you focus on. Keep entertaining the story that you can't and you wont. Visualize a better future and stop your past and society from telling you who you are. Your ancestors knew better and we have thousands of tools they didnt have..
I fully agree with her contention that “effort counts twice” view-plus the need for “us” to observe that “we” tend to have a bias towards only seeing the “talent” part of the equation.
However, people should read chapter 3 of her Grit book. Specifically, checkout the paragraph just after her sketch (notional equations or graph) “talent x effort = skill ➡️ skill x effort = achievement” . (Page 42 of 349 in the paperback I’ve got).
“…If course, your opportunities-for example, having a great coach or teacher-matter tremendously, too, and maybe more than anything about the individual.”
“My theory doesn’t address these outside forces, nor does it include luck. It’s about the psychology of achievement, but because psychology isn’t all that matters, it’s incomplete.”
“Still, I think it’s useful. What this theory says is that when you consider individuals in identical circumstances, what each achieves depends on just two things, talent and effort.”
(Duckworth, A. (2016). Grit: The power of passion and perseverance. Scribner/Simon & Schuster. Ch3, p 42.)
(Of course, she also mentions in her book-and in the video above-that a certain kind of difficult practice is needed (for skill development). Plus, her overall concept grit is strongly defined as someone who can sustain focus & passion on a narrow skill set, goal, or area of expertise over the long term.)
BUT, as an overall view of success, getting a good coach, having time, money, resources, being “lucky” in either opportunities OR just in choosing the right career, speciality, business gamble, etc, at the right time is highly significant in outcomes between people who are not equal in those things.
But, as she says, the things you can control (and I’d even argue talent is maybe not one you have too much control over, itself-but maybe you can identify your strongest particular type of talents?), effort applied over the long run counts twice: first towards skill building, and later towards employing those skills with more effort towards producing valuable outputs.
I too observed many talented people having no consistency could not achieve what they are worthful infact
Talent by changing the place of a letter you can write the word 'latent'. Thus talent is something that is. Talent must be aroused, nourished for talent to blossom.
If effort negatively affect talent, the potential, effort in this case doesn't matters more than talent.
Let's imagine this situation the effort is for a child to walk miles to come to school. That effort, due to its nature can be a negative element, the child can be tired. In a state of tiredness the child cannot focus in order to express his or her talent.
What matters more is to understand the peculiarity of situations. The detected peculiarity should be the basis of a conclusion. In saying 'why effort matters more than talent, it is like in every case, effort matters more than talent.
The idea of 'Why in some cases, effort matters more than talent' would be more appropriate
How do my teachers find this stuff
In my contention, I truly agree which this female human being statement. It is so focused and attentive that I fully respect what metro boomin and Dj Khaled said. Therefore I can successfullly confirm and state this as a true hood classic..
Rehashing of Carol Dweck's Mindset: Growth vs. Fixation.
you've got to be kidding... this take is much better IMHO
1. Talent is very superficial
2. Talent and skill are not same
3. Quality is a broad term; expertise is all that matters
Where is the full clip?
All things being equal, talent trumps effort everyday. Talented people are typically just as passionate as the less talented and are going to put in maximum effort and get better results.
Yes ma'am u mentioned that repeated practice higher possibility of expertise however, you confused me here with the statement " one can do these ten thousand of time and remain a mediocre and not becoming a super star" this has rather confused my understanding that repeated practice can actually achieve more compare to talent. Can you help explain here what you meant by this
As I understand, someone who works 8 hours a day, five days a week for 40 years till retirement repeating drudge work without any challenge will not become an expert. For example if someone keeps copying Picasso to sell knockoffs will not become the next Picasso, as there is no challenge beyond basic skill to copy. This is just assembly line work. There is no creativity or conceptual breakthrough. Similarly, someone who makes breakfast, lunch and dinner everyday for 60 years will not become a great chef. That requires many other factors like passion, obsession, exploration and creativity.
thanks
I hate effort and I have my reason and that is ,I've loved soccer my entire life right now and I made a promise to my younger self saying I'll be the best , so I trained not very hard but some practice. I thought I was good but I was very mistaken I played at school and I WAS HORRIBLE I hated myself more than anything thats when I got serious and really put in the effort, so I practiced really hard and I just like that I hv become a decent player so I enjoyed that but after some time I saw talented people play the sport and THEY ARE SIMPLY AMAZING like 13yr olds were far better than me. That hit me hard knowing that all that effort I put was for me not be one of the best, just for me to be good enough. The promise I made to my self I was all a stupid joke I really wish I was talented, My family would hate me becoz I was lazy and didn't put any effort. While to be honest what's the point of effort if I'm not gonna be number 1 (look at Ronaldo and Messi and you will know what I'm saying) imagine putting 100% for another person to put 10% and still be something amazing and be no.1. I just hate putting effort if its all for nothing
Interesting monograph. I regard Dr. Jordan Peterson’s analysis of the trait “high conscientiousness” equally informative.
That’s basically what she’s talking about but rebranded
Transform the negative and using it.
But why do i still have my skills in a game after so many years
The effort was on for talent
That's what all us untalented people want to hear....it gives us the possible illusion there is still hope, sells more books also.
Untalented people who have grit don't stay untalented for long.
@@SeeveJo That's encouraging.
@@SeeveJo Sure they do. Talent is innate aptitude - you get what you get, and it can't be increased. Skill is a different matter, which can definitely be greatly increased with persistence, even by modestly talented people. But it's silly to suggest that persistence can always compensate for lack of talent.
@@paulmarshall9189 Thats true.So why do so many people like this speaker, continually suggest otherwise? Im sick of this lie that you could learn this, that or the other.To be quite frank, its B.S
Its not 10,000 hours.There is no 10k hours, never was.No significance to that figure at all. Its made up rubbish.You could do 20000 hours of deliberate practice, and still be rubbish.
I can and i will do it
Just thinking about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, right now.
Fr😭😭😭
@@YikhokonkeNzuza owwww, says Yikho, from the internet.😂
Facts
I read a study which showed grit had almost zero bearing on academic outcomes, which seems to contradict the content of this talk. I really think innate ability is what matters most..
Hi
What study m
Sources ??
@@englishwithanes Dont you understand. Talent is inborn.Its accepted fact.All abilities are inherited you dumb dumb.Go get the references yourself.
@@pinny492
I swear to God that nobody.. literally nobody..
not Francis Galton himself..
would endorse your stupid oversimplified view..
Go update your knowledge dummy 😂
how colors can influence your self love...
Ronaldo!😂
Well, i can tell you first hand, effort will NEVER, EVER make up for a lack of talent.Try as you might, your efforts are pointless and futile against the power of Talent....
@Darrel Dragonheart well, there have never been hundreds of thousands of studies, in fact not even hundreds.Of all those that have been done, it seems effort is only a relatively modest contributor, with other unexplained factors having a greater effect.
I know
Even if the effect is close to negligible it is your best shot to worry and try towards things you can control such as effort, source of motivation, motivation etc. Even if effort plays minimum or negligible role when viewing things independently still in macro scale the return you get is at least quantifiable over the long term.
@@nikolaoskousiaris2748 Yes, but that does not result in accomplishing what you want, or what other people can accomplish.