How Far Will a Bow & Arrow Kill?
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In this video Scott from WAC Outdoors demonstrates just how lethal an arrow can be a longer ranges when fired from a recurve bow. The results may surprise you, especially given that the bow that Scott is using has a very light draw weight of around 40lbs.
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I'm pretty sure that no matter what distance you're shot from, if your body is the first thing the arrow strikes after it's released from a bow, you're going to have a bad day.
Yep, distance doesn't matter, it's hitting the target.
joe Costello amen to that. sick of the "draw weight" retards:v
yea i agree however over time it will slow down but no one will be shot at with a bow over 200 yards
Shawniskool 69 yards? Even in meter (which is longer than yards. Honestly you US and UK citizen are weird) it is possible with the right material of an arrow and arrow head's design with a good wind ;/
You can easily be killed by a bow at 250, record distance with a target hit was 600 yards, so yeah you could quite easily get fucked up by a bow
People with no archery experience/knowledge have no clue how hard it is to hit a human sized target at 100 yards with a bare bow... especially because he was shooting heavy arrows with a 40 pound bow.
Stop comparing him to olympic archers because they use stabilizers, sights & everything to help them shoot more accurately.. not to mention all they do is shoot.
So trust me when i say this, He’s a great archer.
Great Video!
I've seen compound shooters having problems hitting the bullseye of a 3'x 1" target at 3 yards They had no idea where to aim the twenty yard pin Recurved and non sighted Compound shooters had no such problems and hit it consistently.
@@grizbait618 at 3 yards put your 30 dead on the target.
@@Wildwestwrangler yeah, most had trouble figuring that out for whatever reason
@@Wildwestwrangler also i should mention I've shot recurves for a while. Quit a while ago due to a shoulder injury
@Ian you've obviously never gotten into archery, thank you for showing your lack of knowledge.
I'd prefer to be shot by a .380 acp than an arrow
"grips the shaft during penetration"--no matter how old I get, that will always awaken my inner 12 year old.
hehehe
Omg it took me a minute to relize
I absolutely AGREEEEEEEEEEE WITH YOUUUUUUUUU
SuperN0va how about now?
The look on his face - he knew. LMAO
Thanks for the old school, at 14 years old pulling a 55 pound Ben Pearson long bow, this was 1960 I placed 4th in the North Dakota Championship. I also had a 30 pound fiberglass re-curve longest target was 85 yards, elevation was just above 45% to reach Target 55 pound was lot less elevation. Our farm had the Red Trail Archery Course on old U.S. 10 Three miles North west of Mandan, North Dakota. Loved reminiscing!! Thank you
4:56 "gripping the shaft as it penetrates"
lmao
oh lighten up for fuck sake...
So Freudian it's hilarious.
+veggie530 that was pretty awesome, I cant lie
+Derpy McDerpinstein Dont take it so hard, its not a dick...
I am in 8th grade
Scott is an amazing bowman. This was a great video to watch! That 100-yard hit was absolutely beautiful.
+TH-cam Aneesh I figured it would take him a few shots before he tried it but the fact that he hit it is impressive. I've been using bows for a good 20 years and the bow he was using is about the same draw weight as my standard bow and I can say that even a light breeze at that range makes things tricky
ikr I mean really a first true how far will an arrow kill video so now all this video game bow killing suck as far cry 4 isn't so much bs after all great video
Nanadaime Hokage
not always, it all comes down to the draw weight, let off speed and arrow weight.
true compound bows can have higher draw weights thanks to the pully system that reduces the force needed to draw the string back but a traditional welsh longbow (aka the english long bow) could have draw weights in excess of 180lb and used very heavy arrows (compared to modern arrows).
the let off speed however depends on a variaty of factors such as the limb length, stiffness ect
all in all there's a lot of factors that affect the killing range of a bow. and many of the advantages that compound bows had (such as stabbalisers and sights) can now be found on modern long bows.
that all said most bow hunters will never shoot at a target at that range even if they can hit a target consistantly simply becuase the likelyhood of a one hit kill is so small that they're more likely to cause the prey to suffer (there's also something in sneaking up to almost touching distance of your quarry that adds to the excitement. anyone can shoot an animal at 200 yards with a rifle without it knowing they're there, but closing to within 15-20m is a diffrent thing all together)
Nanadaime Hokage
by "let off speed" I was refering to the speed at which a bow transfers power to the arrow. basically how quickly it releases it. I realised after I typed it that I messed up the terminology I usually shoot a traditional bow and haven't used a compound since i was a kid.
actually limb length does affect the speed of the arrow quite a lot, as longer limbs take longer to transfer the power to the arrow which is why many modern compound bows have limbs that are almost horizontal.
I remember once years ago reading an article describing the perfect bow (limb length draw length ect) explaining how such a bow would be impossible and how most bows are a compromise between various factors (such as stiffness, limb length, draw length ect)
You do realize that it took him like 10 tries right?
This man is a true harvester of game. I'm glad to finally see someone point out the difference between shooting into ballistic gel and falling game with a capable bow.
The guy has an enthusiasm like a Vulcan
simple answer to the question "how far will a bow and arrow kill?" depends on the bow and arrow, but basically, as far as you can launch it. heavier arrow = more pen
its not always the weight of the arrow, but rather the quality of the broadhead and the quality of the arrow ballistics. I shot deers with heavy arrows and bad broads with less resultthen hogs with good arrow flight and broadhd
actually speed helps penetration the most. Mass just gives stopping power. So a fast light arrow can zip through a torso, with a chance of the guy still standing. But a heavy though slightly slower arrow wont pass through, but boy is he gonna feel it.
Thank you Scott for saying, that 25yrds is a responsible range. I've had so many people harp me as to why I don't take longer shots.
Ted kejick those people don't know anything about bow hunting.
Thank you for watching Ted. I owned and operated a bow shop with an attached 28 target 3D range for years. I hunted with compound bows, and competed with compound bows on a state and national level. I have made successful hunting shots at 50 yards. But that is not what I was asked to do for this video. I have focused on traditional archery gear for many years now and wanted to show what this gear was capable of. I also did not want to encourage inexperienced bow hunters to take unethical shots. The trolls came out of the woodwork when this video was released but I stand by every word I said. Hang in there Ted and thank you for fighting the good fight.
Ted kejick I mean he has a good point. I’ve dropped a lot of dear and most shots are about 25. But at the same time. I’ve taken a couple at 35 and dropped dead but I’m sighted in to about 60 but that’s just for fun
Ive killed deer and hogs at 50 years I wouldn't shoot any longer than that
There is a huge difference between a heavy draw modern compound bow with good sights, release, and rest and a traditional bow with none of that. I suspect that if he had made that more clear when he said that bow hunters shouldn't shoot beyond 25 yards he wouldn't have gotten quite as much flak.
The shooter had skill... Crazy skill
The problem with long shots isn't the penetration depth (well if you hit a rib or another bone it obviously is), but the fact that as you said the wind can and will push those arrows way outside the kill zone. You end up with a gut shot which is incredibly painful for the animal, won't kill it as fast unless you somehow pierce an artery and spoils the meat.
11:50 ballistic bob "I'm melting........I'm melting,........ and you're shooting arrows at me!"
Wow, really melting.
Didn't expect that
Yeah he was Jabbalistic by the end of the vid. lmao
Buddha belly bob now
11:50
Damn. Bob really let himself go.
All he's doing is sitting in the sun taking shots... Not healthy.
Ballistic Buddha haha
lol got hit in the belly!!!
I wanna see a 70 compound. Although this dude is amazing!
Cameron Haynes has a vid of himself shooting 180 yards on TH-cam
I am a 66 year old Britisher. I heard a story from a man that was in the SAS and during the war they went on an operation to blow up a fuel dump in N.Africa. They used a long bow. Alluminium shaft arrows filled with white phospherous, cardboard flight, and a tip that used a type of red match, . At four hundred yards it was quiet and devastating. Nobody new where the attack was coming from and they walked away clean.
He was probably talking about SAS/SBS Major, Anders Lassen. VC. Lassen had an obsession with bow's. If the phosphorus story is true - I don't know.
phosphorous only needs exposing to air to ignite, no need for a match etc. So quite possible a tall tale rather than fact.
james williamson
@@mrpirate3470 That's what I was going to say, lol! Not sure what he meant by cardboard flight. Sounds like a tall tale. Still, a British officer stormed the beaches of Normandy carrying a sword, and may very well be the last soldier to use a sword in a real battle. Or was he Scottish? Some crazy, big bollocked bloke from the UK. XD
So who really knows?
I had some buddies who turned an Abrams tank's barrel into a mechanical bull when they were off-duty and bored one day, so it wouldn't surprise me if someone did something stupid like making white phosphorus arrows. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
No Brit calls themselves a "britisher" you knobend.
65 Yards with that? That's quite impressive! 100 Yards with only several shots? Phenomenal!
4:56 to see the world's greatest poker face.
Amazing shots. The fear factor of arrows fired at you and getting hit, i can't imagine what it would have been like.
I really respect that you only take shots that will kill humanely. I can't emphasize that enough. When I was a kid, hunting with a rifle, I shot a deer from a range above my paygrade and had to walk up to it and slit its throat as my grandfather (a WWII Veteran) insisted, to teach me not to take wild shots that I can't guarantee will be humane. So mad props to you.
Doing some calculations with average fps (a forty pound bow seems to have an average of around 130 fps on the low end, depends on limb shapes/materials ) and total grain weight the arrows hitting the target are producing around 14 foot pounds of energy, it doesn't seem like much until you realize it's all concentrated on the tip of that broadhead, would be interesting to see someone shoot a target through a chronograph set up in front of the target at range just to see what the total velocity/foot pounds is when it reaches its target.
+Arctic Gator I shoot a 580 grain cedar arrow at 190 fps out of my 65 pound recurve at 5 feet away. If I had to guess I would say its still well over 100fps at 40 yards.
+Arctic Gator Math is hard
Except the gel grips the shaft more than flesh would, and since the arrow is longer and has vanes there is more drag on the arrow than a tiny bullet, so an arrow slows down a lot faster than a bullet. Realistically they should use a , pig or deer carcass or even a ham with the bone in to get a more realistic idea of penetration.
+Arctic Gator the problem with bows is the speed of the arrow isn't so much dependant on the power of the bow (though this does factor in) but has more to do with the letoff speed. a short draw bow (such as most compounds) tend to let off the arrow a lot faster than a full length long bow.
arrow ballistics are actually quite complecated as they are more affected by humidity, tempreture, air pressure/density, windage and so forth when compared to bullets.
as for realistic testing mediums check out skallagrim he has been searching for realistic testing mediums for use with swords with some interesting results.
no matter what you use it will never match a live target due to various factors (tensing of muscles, blood pressure, movement, gas densities and so forth but a pig carcus with it's organs inside would probably be the closest you could realisticly get your hands on
Eyeballing the 100yd shot from the video showed a ~1.77 sec trip to target which would ballpark at about 169 fps
11:56....the "You ain't got nothing on me" look. lol
+Uniform Tango 74Thanks for watching. That was a "boy am I glad I hit ballistic Bob" look. To the naked eye he was the size of a pea at 100yds!
Man that was an awesome shot.
+Uniform Tango 74 Thank you sir, a lot of people don't realize that long distance shooting with a broad head is not the same as with a practice point. With a broad head you have "fins" on the front of the arrow competing with the fletching in the back to guide the arrow. The broad head has to spin true or the arrow will fly wide of the mark. Setting the arrows up was harder than shooting the bow.
+wildaboutchrist Great info thx for sharing and doing this vid. I'd hate to get an arrow stuck in me that's for sure.
+Uniform Tango 74 so true LMFAO
Amazing how lethal a bow is. ❤️
That was some of the coolest bow testing ever!! Amazing shot at 100 yards!!
imo it can kill as far as it can accurately be shot...
After about 100yds.. the actual penetration from the arrow is lessened.
Exactly right. The arrow is deadly even at its maximum range. That hard part is hitting the target.
lafleurstudios If you fired an arrow directly upwards would the force on it's return impact be higher or lower than when it was initially shot ? I'm curious...
+jao hernandez depends on the mass and maximum velocity of said arrow x (9.8meters/second) squared, if im right
It can kill if it hits the mark.
Just need to hit something vital.
"grifting the shaft as it penetrates"
Eric's face was priceless !!
lol epic
Very good video. I’m a beginning archer, I have a BowTech Diamond compound bow with a 55lbs draw. I would love to see the same test done with a compound and crossbow just to see the differences between these 3 bows. Thanks again.
Get a pin scope for it.
Awesome video, As a compound bow man myself this was some amazing shooting all due respect to my brother of the bow.
Nice shooting. What most do not realize is that a 40lb. bow is absolutely lethal at greater distances than most think. Most of the Native American bows were in the 40 to 45 pound draw weight -- and they brought home the venison. Most of the Natives got as close to their prey as possible as they wanted to both bring home the meat and did want to reuse as many arrows as possible. A miss is tantamount to a wasted arrow as misses are typically how most arrows are destroyed. Flint arrowheads are not anywhere near as durable as contemporary, steel broad-heads. Either way, hitting a rock will destroy both types of points, not to mention the shafts.
Very impressive demo.
not only that, they take FOREVER to make without modern tools and dowels made by machine. Nobody wants to go back to the tribe's Fletcher and explain why five perfectly good arrows broke on the rocks.
MsJoaniePH Indians used 40-50 lbs bows for hunting and 70-80lbs bows for war. the lower poundage bows make less noise. arrow spends enough time in flight that it is entirely possible for a critter to hear the twang of the string and run before the arrow gets to them.
Thank you for commenting. Another consideration that is seldom discussed, primitive string material could only handle so much bow poundage. Many native cultures used lighter weight bows because their bow strings could not handle heavier weight bows. Even sinew bow strings, that are extremely strong, where more likely to fail when damp.
MsJoaniePH also makes you consider how powerful modern compound bows that easily fire at twice these velocities are. If you could hit a deer at 100yard with one it'll probably be right through.
MsJoaniePH
Bow easy....arrow heap much work...
Did ballistic bob start to melt?
ballistic bob got a beer belly lol
+Joseph Duenas Yes sir, he was melting from the moment we brought him outside. Temps where right at 100 degrees both days that we filmed
+wildaboutchrist You looked amazed at yourself when you made that hit on ballistic Buddah at 100 yds. Bullets and arrows are apples and oranges. That bodkin style arrow would put the hurt on someone at 100 yds+. A knife doesn't need alot of speed to slice through flesh and the wound will bleed. I won't be volunteering to be a target for either. Good shooting and happy hunting.
+William Gaines Buddha. I am not into spelling of idols.
+William Gaines Thank you for the kind words. I am not ashamed to admit I was relieved when I hit ballistic Bob, not as easy as one might think. I was nicking him and slicing him but we where looking for a solid hit on camera. Take care, Scott.
Thanks for featuring such a knowledgeable and experienced guest.
I love Eric's lookback at the camera after he says "gripping the shaft as it penetrates"..why so serious? hahaha
Amazing bowman..and great video ! Respect ! Liked and subed .
+qpae123 Thanks for watching and posting. Best regards, Scott.
impressive shots!
Love this one bro.... you guys are very genuine to what you try to pass on the information
That target arrow head was originally designed to fight against knights in their armour.. the head is designed to place all to energy on a small point which enabled the arrow to punch through the armour and into flesh. If that didn't kill then infection would as most arrows were stuck into the ground for easy of firing action.... great video guys !
Scott is obviously an outstanding archer , and I'm glad he mentioned Agincourt (I'm English, we won)
The English had 9000men max. , with the French having 36000 max. The English lost around 900 men,
the French lost 12000 dead, yes that's 12 thousand, with 2000 captured.
Those 6000 archers Scott mentioned really were a force to reckoned with :)
I read a comment by a military historian that the longbowmen of England were the heavy artillery of their day. That sounds about right to me.
When you have a guy who, with the right arrow point , can kill a guy in armour, and probably also the guy behind him as well
ABSOLUTELY @@weewilliewinkle
Englishman inFrance looool, arrows don't pierce armor! Watch lindybeige, metatron, or Tod’s workshop... All people with brains to do research know that arrows don't pierce armor but mail they do pierce.
15:19 *Crazy to think that a dude today with a minigun is better than 1000 well trained longbow men from the past*
Not true 1000 men would kill him in a second
@windson7 strongest warbows would penetrate armor i think, but when 1000 arrows fly at you, at last 1 of them will hit the body
Thank you for making this no nonsense video! Thanks for the archery demonstration and thank you for not making this into a commercial. Thank you so much.
You are welcome. Thanks for watching!
I took an archery class in college to get an "easy" PE credit. One of the most satisfying classes I've ever taken. Nothing like getting the range dialed in and hitting the target from 70 yards. What I like about the English Longbowmen was they were regular citizens, not nobility.
Regular citizens maybe, but they'd spend years building the muscles to fire their bows for sustained periods of time
I agree. My Dad, Uncle and a friend shoot less then 50LBS with modern bows. They kill deer every year. 15-20 yards shots. Great video. That man is a good shot!!!!
5-4 inches?! Hell, 3 inches kills period.
Mike Mac that's what she said 😬
yup, that'll tickle the heart pretty good. It isn't very far past the ribcage. Even an eyeball doesn't offer much resistance compared to the gel
Like he said with a real human it would likely go right through and exit out the back. Human's are way softer than ballistic gel.
The thing most people are not thinking about is the width of the injury. If a bullet does not fragments or tumble the wound channel is small but the shock damage is wide. An arrow with either a broadhead or a multiblade head(My best ones have 3 blades). The 3 blade one I have will create a 1 1/2 inch wide wound channel with three cuts and a central 1 cm diameter hole. I bought them because of the bleed out speed for a centre mass hit on pigs and deer. My friend who was advising me does not allow anyone to hunt on his property without the ability to hit an area that kills rapidly. I think the most interesting way of explaining it is the difference between a shotgun slug and a rifle bullet. Rifle faster longer range and relies on tumble and deformation to kill if not critical hit. Shotgun slug creates a massive wound channel at slower speeds. Another comparison is the cruciform bayonet compared to a single edge. Both will kill you but one will make you bleed out way faster.
As a kid my brother and I tried to make bows from tree branches. We eventually were able too and tried archery but growing up in a no fire arms environment (until the age we could buy them, parents didn’t have any) we couldn’t hit anything with the bows. Nothing we’d spend hrs trying. this man hitting bob at 100yds is an amazing feat.
You should make this video with throwing knives, Crossbows and other ranged weapons.
love the educational bits, great vid.
+DataSlam Thank you sir.
I stopped bowhunting recently because of vision problems, but hunted for years with a #40 Bear recurve. I used heavy 2117 full length shafts and either Bear razor heads or Zwicky 2 blades. I often got pass throughs with deer using this. I screwed up on one and hit it in the shoulder. It went about 50 yards. The arrow broke about a 2" circle of bone out of the shoulder blade, went into the heart and was sticking out the other side. It did bend the head point a little, but I straightened it out and used it again.
An incredibly interesting piece sir, your bowman had some very cogent points when briefly outlining Agincourt, those men had to be as tough as could be imagined.
Some of the the skeletal remains brought up from the Mary Rose shipwreck, showed abnormalities to the shoulder area, they had been trained from age six to draw a bow & this practice for decades caused deformation to the bone-structure & musculature.
Thanks again man....
"It's literally gripping the shaft as it penetrates." Hahahaha, priceless.
I’ve known Scott for several years and he’s a stand up guy.
awesome video and amazing guest, love the science of this
Awesome video and historical perspective on the long bow!
griping the shaft as it penetrates great
nothing better
16 inches of penetration
my penis
I love it when she grips the shaft as it penetrates
Way whould you shoot a hog mad
also medieval archers didnt typically fire arrows at maximum range, theyd wait until the enemy was well in range of them to minimize waste of arrows and strength (shooting more takes more stamina) remember they still had to fight after the enemy go to them
And also, firing in the range of their bows would have a better chance to penetrate plate armor.
You apparently assume that medieval archers only had to fight armored knights. Don't forget that the BULK of medieval armies were peasant levies, who had little or NO armor, or, at best men-at-arms, who would only be at most lightly armored. As you saw in the video, even a 40lb bow could still deliver at least an incapacitating wound, if not a kill, at 100 yards.
Now imagine the effect of hundreds of arrows, from bows 3 to 4 times more powerful, dropping on unarmored troops long before they can come close enough to have any effect
Very cool video man!
This is a great video about the effective range of traditional bows. Compound bows change the game a bit, but a closer, ethical shot is always preferred.
The British Long Bow Society, estimated the bows of the Medieval period drew 90-110 pounds-force (400-490 newtons). Elm Bows were commonly used back then.
he used a 40 lbs draw weight.....
Like the Indians.
@Mermaid Man The vikings DID try to colonize North America. L'ans Aux Meadows. It just didn't seem to take. Maybe they were driven away by the natives. Nobody knows
@mermaid Sure the Vikings had steel, bows, armor, the wheel, and superior strategic military planning, but the Indigenous people had "diversity". Lol
we need to outlaw these high capacity silenced fully semi automatic assault weapons. >:c
Its brown when it's black it's full auro bolt assualt bow.
Need to outlaw you for stupidity...
@@BackyardRambo it was satire
Agreed lmao
I get it’s a joke but it’s not even close to being semi-automatic. A bowman probably shoots about as often as a Sharps Rifle.
This was an awesome video. Many Thanks
Loved the foray into archery, so much fun to watch. I would love to see a more historical representation of the English longbow and the power involved to reach over 200 m. Maybe a medieval expert with a 120 lb yew long bow or something.
I don't understand why americans sometime use yards, sometimes feet. It's so confusing to me
+Tecnovlog The US still largely uses the system Britain used before Imperial.
DepakoteMeister for what i know americans use the imperial system
No they certainly don't. US weights and measures are based on units used in Britain prior to 1824, when the Imperial system was officially established. Some units are common across both systems, but not all.
Yea, because it's so hard to divide or multiply by three
+Shane K can you explain? I've read that one yard is 0.91 meter
Very interesting. I´ve read in Agincourt, longbows from 90 to 110 draw weight penetrated over three inches trough gambeson and mail armor at around 350 yards. Decimating french troops before closing in to fight. Of course this were volleys, not acquired target shots.
11:50 "you got it" that was the most satisfying shot from a bow I've seen
Fascinating vid guys!
"gripping the shaft when it penetrates"
hahahahahaha
I dont bow hunt so take this comment as you will, however him saying that 25yards is the outer limits of bow hunting seems way to short. Maybe if you're only using a 40lbs pull but with a 80lbs pull I'd hope you could hunt at longer distances.
Yeah, I have my old bear whitetail 2 EL, 31 inch draw, 65 pounds. It is sighted and will reliably punch bullseyes at 40 yards. It is a compound but still.
I hunt with both a 35# recurve with no modern sights and a modern #70 recurve. I would seriously consider taking anything over 20 yds with the recurve. Anything over 30yds, I will not shoot. I get arrows sticking out both sides of the deer out to 20 yds.
The modern recurve shoots the arrows out at over 350 fps and, with the modern sights it is no thing to split arrows out to 30 yds and maintain a 6 inch group out to 50 yds. The modern compound gets complete pass throughs on deer out to 50 yds.
I started with a Bear Whitetail II also. Killed many deer with that before upgrading.
+Ned Surf sorry meant to write modern compound.
Of course you can go deep with a heavier pull. They even talked about that in the freaking vid
+Hamilton Louis so what I commented when they made that comment. Later on in the video did they explain that.
dude, incredible channel you have, first video that i see and im suscribe, excellent information you give us and your guest is a great profesional, keep it on, greetings
Beautiful Video Thank you to every1 involved.
from my experience in re-enactment battles (knights templar) i have seen bowmen hitting targets at ranges of upto 800m in practice shots and even then we found field head arrows stuck in wood backing and trees a good half inch. never underestimate the power of a longbow, it is simply leathal and most reasonable and some surprisingly unreasonable distances.
800 meters?
Great video Eric. This is quickly becoming one of my fav informative weapons channels. I'm no firearms or archery expert by any means but it's still extremely fascinating & valuable information.
Btw, way to hold back the laughter when Scott said "grips the shaft during penetration" hahaha.
I really enjoyed this video, very informative, thank you.
The storytelling of the battles was a great piece of information to ponder
"I'm dying to know"
so is your target
It's the sharp that kills. Well that and the arrow weight, plus fps. If you're interested in archery, get a cheap bow at a weight that you can hold for 10 seconds comfortably. After you build up your strength, then get a more powerful bow. I'm a female, and my bows range in poundage from 38# to 42# at my draw length, of course it took a while to build up to that. You men will have no trouble building up to a 45 pound bow in no time, so that's why you should buy a cheap used bow to practice with at first, you won't keep it long. IFL limbs are another way to go, but still can be expensive.
+Squirrelgrrl1 Well said and thank you for sharing this information.
+Squirrelgrrl1 you may be interested to know that mediaval archers rough'nd as a matter of course their arrow with a file in order to improve cutting ability causing masive bleeding and making it even with specialised medical equipment difficult to extract the arrow head without causing more damage, also for war the bodkin point was mainly used, an interesting point being most of these were manufactured by women... I'm suprised that only btoad arrow heads were used as almost every animal had its own special arrow head including a ferocious half moon point tht greated a wound some 3/4 inches in diameter I think we used that mainly on the french, my father made bows and spears for the various special forces groups during ww2 in Egypt he was rigger in the RAF they made some wierd stuff. finally an arrow bores its way through its traget it doesnt cut watch a high speed film of an arrow strike to see what I mean.
Lol the look on his face when he hit those long shots. Priceless. Troll on
Very enjoyable video. Thanks heaps!
I love your guyses video and it proves my point ballistic shells a waste of time you proved a 40 lb longbow can go almost through a wild pig and that same boat only goes 5 inch into ballistics gel but yet completely through a hog thank you for doing this video I love it and I love bow and arrows especially I recurves keep bringing up the good videos
I have read somewhere or heard somewhere that in medieval times the bowmen would practice with their bows from childhood and by the time they went to war they were using up 300 lbs pull long bows. I would think that although it may be possible, a 300 lbs long bow would require someone with forearms the size of tree trunk to pull it back.
+Vapor Trails Typically pulling back a bow is in the shoulders and back but yaw 300 lbs is a little much.
+Vapor Trails Ancient bowman shot there arrows from the right side of the bow, And also they held the arrows in the bowhand and in later periods they switched to holding the arrows in the draw hand. This made it possible to quickly draw your arrows. Also holding the arrow on the left side is only good when u donth have to move around and takes way more time to draw your arrow compared to the right side.
And also ancient bows where mostly around 45 to 60 pounds just check history museums where they have ancient bows.
+Divi Filius Augustus odnt believe everything you hear in a larse Anderson video... most of his statements were horribly inaccurate.
Jim Jam the Space Man I know i've seen this Anderson guy on youtube. But keep in mind that there are ancient drawnings that represent exactly what i was telling arrows in the draw hand.
Look up scholagladiatoria, Matt did a few videos about British archery during medieval times. Just search on the channel and a few should pop up, don't try to look for them through the upload list it's all full of other interesting but mostly swords and HEMA related videos.
Wow, I have been a trad. Archer for 40 plus years, love the sport is sort of like golf, great one day crap the next, thats what makes it so interesting, this man is on top of this game, great video mates!
Great video, I just bought a 40lb, looking forward to letting loose with it.
he looks really silly with that beret on.
I would like to see a shot that takes advantage of the trajectory of the arrow, because that can't be done easily with a gun. For example, hit something by shooting over a wall or something like that.
+Aaron Isotton Fred Bear did that when he shot his world record sheep. He lobed an arrow over a boulder. Thanks for watching!
Informative and amazing. Scott is such a great marksman with the 40 lb bow. Also, great discussion about the lethal broadhead
Amazing shooting and video :)
5 inches or 16 inches.........with that gnarly tip, it would still hurt. A lot.
idk dude, 5 inches of penetration probably wouldn't hurt as much as 16 inches.
5 inches is enough to do serious damage to major body organs including the human heart.
anything over 3 inches of penetration is considered lethal in regards to humans. Liver and kidneys are both more superficial organs that will cause a person to bleed out very quickly if lacerated (same with the spleen).
That’s what she said!
Bows are awesome.
This is some of the best archery science in the internet and that was amazing shooting
Attending a historical recreation event a few decades back I watched a demonstration of an archer with a historically accurate LongBow and arrows. From a distance of 30 paces the arrows pierced a 12-gauge steel breastplate.
THREE INCHES of steel is like being stabbed with a standard Swiss Army Knife blade.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that the breastplate wasn't heat treated. I've seen tests done with a 160 lb English longbow at relatively close range on a breastplate that ranged from 1.6 to 2 mm thick (roughly 12 gauge at the thickest), and it just dented the plate. Heat treatment matters, as does the type of target and whether or not it is attached to something that can move and give under pressure. Go check out Tod's Workshop here on youtube, he does a lot of stuff with medieval longbows and crossbows.
I read an article where some bows from the late Hundred Years War were recovered from a sunken ship that sank crossing the Channel. They were able to determine that some of the bows they were able to recover had draw weights of 180-200 pounds! Further, though most bodkin points were iron, some were steel. This would mean that a 'top end' English bowman, who had been shooting since he could draw the flimsiest bow, could drive an arrow through the richest noble Frenchman's plate armor. Damned impressive. Worth noting that, once adopted from the Welsh, only the English encouraged and rewarded their commoners to practice archery. Where do you think the pub game of darts originated? Every nation could summon up such excellent archers, but only the English could draw upon them in such huge numbers and use them on the battlefield properly. Admittedly, they learned this in the hardest of ways - warring with the 'Celtic Fringe' nations of Wales, Scotland and Ireland. But they saw it's effectiveness, rapidly adopted it, enthusiastically encouraged it and perfected it's use on the battlefield.
the ship was not from the hundred years war with france but a much later war with france .it was henry the V111 flagship in the 16 century .it had English bowmen on it . the hundred years war between England and france stared in the 14 century .it started 1346 and lasted for 116 years .the name of henry V111 flagship was the Mary rose she sank in 1545.in the English channel while going to fight the french.
John Grealey lol Details, details. My point stands. Pretty damned amazing, they could draw bows heavier than any man now can draw - and they were much shorter men.
Jeremy Mine i agree with you .
+Jeremy Mine Quote:" only the English could draw upon them in such huge numbers and use them on the battlefield properly"
Wrong. Have you heard The Mongols, Ottoman, Persians, and Turkish armies
+Jeremy Mine Quite correct the English Peasants were paid to practice archery once a week. Correct me if wrong but the Battle of Agincourt the English were out numbered 5 to 1. 4,000 Bowmen, 1,500 Men-at-Arms and 500 Knights. The French took the field with 6,000 Knights and Bowmen I believe were only in the 1,000 mark an the rest were Men-at-Arms. Says a lot for the English Longbow. "We few, We lucky few, We Band of Brothers" Will Shakespeare.
How far will a telecaster kill?
I've cleared a room in 5 minutes. (Joke)
Haha, ive done that even without amplification.
Great VIDEO!
This subject needs to be done again with modern bows and arrowheads
40 joule point blank. That's less than half the kinetic energy of a warbow arrow at max distance.
I'd like to see your source. I mean, some warbows were immensely powerful, but I'd like to see a source for your statistic. Just so I can check it and potentially use it.
Yes. It's in the appendix in The Great Warbow by Strickland and Hardy. Simon Stanley shot several arrows of different weights with a 150 lbs Oregon yew longbow (not European yew, they will give you a couple of m/s more). They measured the velocity with a radar. The heavy arrow (95.9 gram) retained 82 % of its initial velocity (53 m/s) at max distance. That's 43.3 m/s. Formula for kinetic energy = (1/2)mv^2. Point blank kinetic energy = 134.69 joule. Max distance kinetic energy = 90 joule.
Even the 86.6 gram arrow retained 80 joule at max distance (this was a blunt head and because of this it slowed down more than an arrow with a sharp arrowhead would. Just keep that in mind too.)
The 74.4 gram arrow retained 75 joule at max distance.
In other words, an arrow in the 80-83 gram range with a sharp, slim arrowhead would probably make it to 80 joules. That's just deduction, though.
You should also google Mark Stretton blog and read about his distance tests. It's part 8 The arrow performed best at 0-50, 80-100 and 200-220 yards. The depth was the same at 220, 130 and 50 yards. 80 yards gave best penetration along with 25-30 yards. 40, 125 and 200 yards also gave the same results. Worst was the penetration at 140, 160 and 180 yards, respectively. The depth of penetration followed a S curve. Take a look at it.
You should also look at the speed he managed to get out of a 140 lbs European yew bow. He shot a 102 gram arrow at 54.7 m/s and reached 152.5 joule, point blank. That's a weaker bow in comparison to the bow Simon Stanley used, and he only managed to shoot a 95.9 gram arrow at 53 m/s. What velocity would a 150 lbs European yew bow reach with a 95.9 gram arrow? 56 m/s? That's 150.3 joule point blank. If the arrow retain 82 % of it's velocity, just for the sake of argument, you will have an arrow striking at 45.92 m/s and with 101.1 joule at max distance.
Perhaps, but there are a lot fewer opportunities to hunt armored cavalry than there is to hunt deer and rabbits.
PolluxVarangir That makes sense tho. Hunters usually don't hunt heavy armoured targets right
You don't need that power to hunt. 40-70lb is fine. Nor does the higher warbow draw wieghts deliver expected power. The stronger the bow, the less efficiency it usually delivers when talking about longbows. Warbows are designed to shoot heavy arrows out to 220 yards & have a chance of penetrating an armoured man at closer ranges c.80 yards or less. When hunting most bow hunters try to get within c.25 yards, 40-50 at the most.
It was said that William I had a bow nobody else could draw, so maybe the classic English longbow crept up from lower draw wieghts (c.70-90lb) to the 110-130lb range most common in high medieval & Tudor times. The 150-200lb ones qouted were extreme & rarer examples. If in William Is day professional archers drew no higher than 100lb, then a 160-180lb bow might seem imposible.
I was always taught that archery is not a strngth game. I can draw 60-80lb one off but would injure myself after half a dozen arrows. The right bow is one which you're able to comfortably shoot in total control safely all day. With practise & over time the muscles develop & you will be able to move up to a bow a little stronger, but it should be a slow & steady progression. That's why English longbowmen were a select breed as it took many years to grow with the bow into an accomplished & powerful warbow archer.
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I would love to see another video like this, maybe with a 60-70 lb compound bow!
Respect Scott !! Awesome shooting Thanks for the video guys much appreciated
This is from Mike Wahl of Unlimited Outdoors. OK This video leaves a lot out. #1 The least common bow used is the recurve in both target and hunting in the USA. The compound bow is the most common bow. For comparisons my compound bow shoots a 450 grain arrow at 346 feet per second that is nearly 100 foot pounds of energy. He did use the best penetrating tip for the video. This is a somewhat misleading video for the novice archer watching. A high power bow such as mine will kill a person or a deer or any other light skinned animal past 500 yards. If shooting at a downward angle such as in a canyon the arrow will experience very little velocity drop. The ballistic gel is also a misleading variant. It sticks greatly to the shaft. An animals body actually lubes the shaft as it passes through. There isn't enough resistance on light skinned game to stop the arrow unless you hit heavy bone. At 72 yards I got a complete pass through on a quartering away shot on a medium sized mule deer. On a 275 pound Russian boar at 60 yards I also got a complete pass through for instance. I later that same season was filling my second deer tag and with my 31 inch draw on a 60 pound martin recurve, bow I took a broadside shot on a smaller blacktail buck and got only 7 inches of penetration at 22 yards. (The tip barely poked through). Another thing is the variable of the fletching. Plastic vanes retain the speed much longer down range. Feathers stabilize much quicker but that is due to the increased drag factor. The most common arrow shafts are carbon not aluminum. Aluminum shafts have increased parabolic flex and lose energy quicker due to the increased flight distance that it takes them to stabilize. (Over 20 yards) Whereas Carbon arrows stabilize almost within 10 yards and retain more than 30% greater down range energy. On video I have shot a 200 pound pig with my compound at 100 yards in Northern California. The arrow went in high in the middle back and came out in the forward lower chest area. It didn't pass through but the tip did exit about 4 inches. This was a downhill shot that clipped the pig's spine and planted him in his tracks. In Texas with the makers of the Gobbler Guillotine I shot a 200 pound pig and a 130 pound whitetail each between the eyes at 40+ yards each and the arrow passed through to the fletching on both. Now before you all start hammering me about those long shots please note that I don't recommend those kind of long shots and mine are usually under 40 yards. But we practice them 2 to 3 days a week and are quite proficient yet we are aware of our limitations. Archery hunting in California tends to be at longer ranges. We are extremely lucky to get a shot under 30 yards. By the way the bow I shoot is a Limbsaver SpeedZone SZ-34 set to 80 pounds, 30 inch draw with a release, Gold tip 75/95 arrows and Titanium broadheads. The power stroke on that bow is 29.5 inches of the draw. Let off is 80% at 29.5 inches.
+John Smith Your poor performance on the deer you shot with a recurve bow has nothing to do with the bow. Not enough arrow weight, Poor arrow flight, or poor broad head choice are about the only three things that would show such poor results. As you have stated, there isn't enough resistance on light skinned game to stop an arrow.
wildaboutchrist I was using cedar arrows and razor sharp glue on Bodkin broadheads. I did hit ribs on the way through. Actually it does have a bit to do with the bow. The recurve bow is 60% slower with the same weight arrows as the compound. 60% slower means 60% less energy.
+John Smith More than likely the broad head didn't help any. The Bodkin has been around for a long time but the steel is soft and the smallest amount of tip curl hurts penetration. I have shot many deer through both shoulder blade with a 50# longbow. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
“Gripping the shaft as it penetrates”
Awesome video guys, thank you very much :)!
Great shot!