My grandfather, a gunsmith, left me a Remington 742 in 7mm Express. I was totally unfamiliar with that cartridge or 7mm bullets in general. Once I started researching it and found that 280 ammo was available, I feel in love with the 7mm in general. Needed a bolt gun for hunting in PA, so I got a 7mm-08. Eventually got a 7RM and then did my first customer in a 7mm Sherman Short. needed a lightweight rifle for Western hunting, got a 280AI in an ultralite. Convinced myself I needed a 7PRC. I still haven't shot that one, but I do love my 7's.
😢😅I have completed 91.15% of the streets! Only 33 streets away from finally running every street in my city. There 3888 streets, 1991.11 miles of streets in Wichita. I started at 3% in May of 2021. The closest person behind me, in 2nd place, is at 71%. Of the 33 remaining streets, several are just fields where streets are planned to be, a couple are in a gated community that I've not found open in the last 3 years and 2 are way the heck out in country.. I have to figure out a way to get the final few red dots, then will run the final 7 mile route in the center of the city, finishing at our downtown arena.😅 0:29 😢 0:31 😮😮 0:33 😅😮 0:41 😅😮 0:49 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮 0:59 😮😮Franchi momentum 65 PRC😅Franchi momentum 65 PRC🎉😢I was just looking at old photo albums and I saw the largest Northern Alberta Wtail shed I have ever had the pleasure of finding with a buddy over 20 years ago. Sadly we gave this shed away back then. If I remember correctly it scored 91-7/8 as a 7 pt. Had a 28” beam that curled right around inside itself. I personally found a 96” the next year that I still own but it is a non typ and a hard white shed. This one is world class and I feel blessed to have been given the privilege of seeing it exactly where it fell as it laid.😢😢😮😢 1:54 😮 1:56 1:57 😢
👍 The Blessing Of Remington Nutering The 280 Is That It Created The 280 AI - One Of The Very Best Cartridges For Hunting Elk In The Rocky Mountain West! It Deserves To Be More Popular! 🤑
Well we agree again lol I had a 280 Remington awesome cartridge I like it better than the 270 or the 30/06 don't really have experience with the 280 ai
Love my 280 AI’s. Big fan of all 7mm’s. Currently have a 7mm-08, 7x57, 7 SAUM, 280 REM, 3- 280 AI’s, 7 REM Mag, 7 RUM and 7 PRC. Out of all of the 7’s I own, I am partial to my 280 AI’s and my 7 SAUM. Running 168 and 175 gr bullets they have accounted for several Mule Deer, Whitetail, Antelope, Bear and an Elk at ranges from 60 yards to 525. I’ve been shooting 280 AI for 18 years and have been happy to see it pick up a following over the years and even a few factory rifles and factory ammo offerings that have brought more people to the table on a great cartridge!
Great pod cast! The 7mm is in my heart! I have a 7mm-08, .280, 280Ai, and two 7mags! But my favorite is the .280Ai! I agree it is magical and looks so cool! I’m shooting a 26” barrel and have 7mm Mag velocities! Of course I’m a hand loader of 47 years so, I love to work up loads that are accurate and fast! Keep up the great work at Hornady, love your bullets!
Another great video in this series. Love getting the perspective of the people in the business who are truly in the know. It's starting to become a "when Hornady speaks, everyone listens".
You forgot to mention Kenny Jarrett. He put the 280 Ack on the map with his beanfield rifles. He published loads in the early Nosler reloading manuals and deserves almost as much credit as PO Ackley
I am a 280 rem shooter. I have 2 280 rem rifles. But my new rifle came in. A Browning Xbolt Speed Long Range 280AI. The barrel is 26 inch 1@8 barrel. I'm planning on trying some Hornady 162 gr eld x ammo. Also, picking up some 162 175 and 180 gr eld bullets. Great show. Please do more on 280AI shows.
You'd do better velocity wise to get a good 7mm magnum and then download it to any velocity that you want, including the 175 grain nosler partition or the long range accubond for elk and such.
The 280 was loaded down from the beginning due to the weaker action of the semi auto and the pump actions of its time. When it was first introduced in a bolt gun, the factory loads were still downloaded due to the many weaker semi and pump guns on the market. My first "high power" rifle was a Browning A Bolt in 280 Remington in the mid 80's. Handloading really makes this round shine. It still serves me well to this day.
Not true, the semi & pumps were already chambered for 270, so no reason the 280 shouldn't have been run at same pressure. We all know the famous writer that did his best to downplay the 280 because the 270 was his baby.
@@randyphillips559 You need to research a little better. The Remington M740 introduced in 1955 was not chambered in .270. When the M740 was replaced with the M742 in 1960 it was not chambered in .270 either. So no, the .270 was not chambered in the M740 before the 7 mm Express/.280 Remington. Nor was it chambered in the M742 before the .280. The 7mm Express/.280 Remington was developed and loaded for the specific pressure level to reliably operate the Remington gas system.
I've wanted a 280 AI ever since I read an article by Ron Spomer several years ago about his experience with the 280 AI. Then along comes the 7 PRC. Decisions decisions. That decision was made when a gentleman I work with had some Nosler brass and Redding 280 AI dies for sale. The barrel and action are currently at the gunsmith getting worked and should be in my hands within the month. Can't wait. Thank you for all the content. Very interesting.
Keep in mind, too, that Hornady's own posted velocities for 162gr 280AI load and 160gr 7PRC ae separated in velocity by a whopping 150fps. If you get the throat cut long on your Ackley, you can stuff a little more powder in while keeping the pressures at safe levels, and -easily- nudge that 150fps velocity.
Just picked up a NIB Ruger M77 Hawkeye African in .280 AI 1 of 250 made in 2020 along with 2 boxes of Hornady Precision Hunter 162 Grain ELDX. Got her scoped up and can't wait to get out to the range to sight her in!
I had a 280 Remington for years. It was a Winchester Featherlite. I live and hunt in Idaho. My 280 Rem took many deer both mule deer and whitetails, as well as a few elk. I reload and using 168gr Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets, I was able to get low 7 Rem Mag velocities safely. As I've aged and with two shoulder replacements, I had to stop using my magnums and my heavy loads in my 45-70. To continue elk hunting, I chose a Kimber Hunter in 280AI with a muzzle brake and good recoil pad, I was able to continue hunting elk. The fact that it is only 5-4 lbs naked allows me to hunt all day. Using Barnes 168gr TTSX and Hornady 150gr CX bullets, I get 7 Rem Mag velocities with much reduced recoil. The 280AI can take anything in North America except for the big bears. You guys at Hornady always do a great job with your videos. Just a request, could you guys make a 168gr CX bullet in 7mm?
The 280 is an incredible cartridge that will always be a sentimental favorite. I killed my first mulie buck, pronghorn buck, and cow elk using my uncle’s model 700 in 280 shooting 140 Partitions. Of course, as a western hunter, whose favorite big game animal is mule deer, I’ve played with having a 280 AI built so I could shoot quality 140 bullets on mulie hunts. Thanks for a great video.
Hornady has extended my appreciation of the 280 AI with the 162 ELDX and my favorite the 160 CX. Your pod cast was very enjoyable in its scope. I have enjoyed shooting many different cartridges for many years, and the 280 AI is my favorite. The 7mm PRC is impressive also. Since I hand load only, I hope to see more brass availability from Hornady for the 280 AI and the 7mm PRC.
Similar to your experience with RL-26, I found peak performance in 280 AI with VV-N560 and 162gr. ELD-X. I run 150gr. monolithic bullets at 3k fps for hunting and it’s amazing for both timber and open country. I’m just beginning the journey with 7PRC but 280AI will be hard to unseat as my do-it-all cartridge.
Sounds like Ackley was ahead of his time. His head spacing and cartridge profile looks like the new prc cartridges. Which prc line is a breath of fresh air.
I have a Kimber hunter in 280AI. Just wanted one. Already have everything covered: 25-06 for medium game and 30-338 WM for larger game. I guess the Kimber would be my sheep/back country rifle, but too old and fat for that anymore. Good podcast. Thanks for the content.
🕵️♂️ The Lesson That The 280 Remington Taught Us Is Design The Gun Around The Cartridge And Don't Neuter The Cartridge To Promote A Specific Model Of Gun!
I purchased a bergara 7 PRC last summer with a 24-in barrel. Not getting anywhere near the velocities as advertised on the factory ammo. So I can't say I love it yet. I need to experiment with some hand loading.
PO Ackley created cartridges with only a tiny expansion in powder capacity. The gain in performance came in loading to higher pressures than the parent cartridges.
@4:55 hunting was different then, even in the west. i talked with my grandpa before he passed and the 50-mid 60s was a good time, elk and deer were everywhere and you could get close. a lot of places that are privatly owned now were open to the public back then also, so it was kind of a free reign sort of thing. there wasnt a need to reach out across a canyon to reach the elk because there was a group in the canyon you were in back then. so they needed fast hnadling auto loaders or pump guns to get multiple shots off at 200 or less
I bought my .280 back in 1998. Still shot it, my very first hunting rifle. Nothing like the thud in the woods from my .280rem! I miss the 139 SST Hornady bullet can on get the on reload now.
I just inherited my grandfather's ww2 kar 98 he rebareld to 280 in the 60's or 70's for hunting and his reloading equipment for it. Didn't know to much about it other than it always brought home game every year. Cool to find some info on all the differences of the 7mm cartridges.
The 280 AI is rated at 65,000 psi (transducer) in the current SAAMI tables vs 60,000 for the non-AI version. This could make a little more boost in factory ammo.
The 280ai is my favourite cartridge hands down, I would be happy to take it hunting anything. I am considering building a long range target rifle in 280ai. Lol I am a huge fanboy of the 280ai mine has a 1:8.5 twist and can handle almost any weight of bullet.
FWIW, my understanding is the reason that the 280 Rem was introduced (at slightly lower max pressure than the 270) was that Remington discovered reliability problems with the model 740 semi-auto rifle in 270. It seemed to work OK with the 30-06 at 60,000 psi, but it just didn't last with the 270 at 65,000.
Seth, history bro: Remington's Model 725 rifle was a short-lived bolt-action design offered from 1958 to 1961. About 16,635 were manufactured in .222 Rem., .243 Win., .244 Rem., .270 Win., 280 Rem., and .30-'06 chamberings. The majority of the rifles made were in .30-'06 caliber.
I've taken more deer with a Remington 700 MTN .280 Rem than any other rifle. At the time I purchased the rifle as a teenager, I wanted a rifle with less recoil than a 30-06, and heavier bullet options than the .270 Win.
Joe - Any chance of getting your chamber/throat/leade specs? I've been considering having a .280AI (1:8) built, but want the PRC-type chamber specs. Thanks.
I have had one in 280 since 1982 love it the bullet coefficient or the 7 mm is fabulous start out with 30/06 a buddy of mine so you should try to 280 had never heard of it, but I bought one because it was on sale and I love it
I have a question for you ,I just purchased the 11th edition reloading manual by Hornady and it does not have the ballistics in it like other manuals have. Why is that.
The 280 Remington Model 700 was my first Big game rifle, in 1972. I ran into some shooters who suggested I have it rechambered to the 280 P.O Ackley Imp. I've taken Antelope, Mulies, and Elk in Colorado with it. I love it. When I bought my die set from Redding they requested 3 new fire-formed cases to confirm my chamber dimensions to match up their part number for the dies. Question: When the SAAMI 280 AI came out I was told never to shoot it in the PO Chamber. I was told they do not have the same dimensions. Do you know if I was misled, or bad information?
I put a .280 ai together for my Father in law, blueprinted 700 action, criterion Remage barrel in a magpul hunter stock. It’s a shooter, his best group 5 shots at 500 yards 1.5 inches! I believe that was with 175 smk’s.
.280AI is a very efficient, low recoiling, shoots different bullet weights, and has impressive ballistics. 4350 and 4831 accurate powders with .280AI but RL22, 23, and 26 bring the velocity.
The biggest improvement beside the increase in powder capacity of the 280 AI over the 280 Remington comes from the SAMMI chamber pressure limits. Because it was chambered in pumps and auto loaders the 280 Remington is limited to 58,000 psi while the AI goes to 65,000 psi. A 12% increase in allowable chamber pressure is certainly going to give a significant increase in bullet velocity.
When you buy a 7mm Remington magnum you can download the damn thing to the 280 Remington, or anything in between. My old BDL made in 75 is currently loaded with the Hornady 139 gr. Interlocks at a muzzle velocity of 3140. My experience using this load is one of a good 280, doesn't kick like a shave tail mule. It pokes a quarter size hole on the ribcage exit wound, and they don't take another step. I like my 280, even though it's actually a downloaded 7mm. Remington magnum.
Didn’t the 280 rem get limited like the 284 win did because of its initial loading was made basically for the pump and semi automatic rifles thus requiring a lower pressure load? That cost the 280 dearly just like the 284 win.
So fast forward 6 months I’ve ordered one to be built though my gunsmith here In SD. I’ve wanted a 280 AI for several decades and I just got a 7mm Rem mag a few weeks ago. The main reason I want it so bad is because it’s truly always been a reloaders Nirvana type caliber. Now elect Trump so we can end these wars and get some reloader 26 back on the shelves.
I’ve been saying the caliber that I want that Hornady has not provided as a 7 mm bullet and the 65 PRC case. I have no need or desire for a magnum, but would like a better short action that’s modern running the same speed as a Ackley improved then someone told me about the 284 Winchester, which seems like a really cool cartridge. That’s pretty well dead.
Great informative video once again, can you tell me what the length of a factory loaded shell is for a 162 grain ELDX? I’m trying to find a sweet spot on my X-bolt and am hoping to get a headstart starting with your factory OAL.
Good show guys. I reload a 280 Rem in a Mauser bolt Rifle and love the bullet selection over 270 Win. To me there is no doubt 280 is better. 280 Rem is enough for me and easier to make or find brass than the 280 AI. I’ve settled on 175gr bullets for Moose and they can work good on deer too. No such thing as over penetration, that just gives you 2 bleed holes.
This'll probably be overlooked, but at release the 280 was down-loaded (like Seth said) because of the platforms it was chambered in. When it was renamed, they bumped those loads up to what they are now, or so Remington claimed. Also, weight-for-weight, it depends on the bullets when determining which has a higher BC.* For instance, the 140gr .284 Nosler Accubonds and Ballistic Tips have a BC of .485, but the .277 ones are at .460 G1. However, the 150gr .277 versions of the same bullets have a very slight edge over the .284 versions (from Nosler 9). In Hornady offerings, the .277 140gr SST has a G1 of .495, and the .284 139gr SST has a BC of .486. The .277 and .284 Interbond and SST has the exact same BC of .525. For the ELD-X, the .277 145gr option has a G7 of, ironically, .270, which is less than a 150gr ELD-X in .284 at .289 (from Hornady 11). *TLDR; It just depends.
@@noahhorinek historically 7mm has had better bullet choices, but the differences you pointed out aren’t significant to me at 300 yards and in. Barnes makes a 155 grain .277 bullet with a G1 BC of 0.540 - that’s sweet! Except you need a 1:8 twist rate.
This is coming along when I am building a 280 AI I just got my finish reamer I got a 721 Remington and it was in a 30-06 but it didn’t shoot good so I ordered a barrel short chambered and threaded and crowned and I am building one it’s going to be 26” 1-8 twist you guys know what is a good weight of bullets would be good to start with with that twist
Back when the 280 Remington came out I don’t think too many people were making 400 or 500 yard shots, I think a lot more hunters gravitated towards lever action and semi automatic rifles, I think had to load the ammo a little lower pressure for those rifles and I think that hurt it.
The 280 Rem has the same SAAMI max pressure of 60,000psi (transducer) as the 30-06, so it can be used in any rifle designed for the 30-06. The 270 Win, like the 280AI are allowed 5,000 psi more. I noticed that tha Remington's semi-auto 740 and 742 were chambered in 30-06 and 280 but not 270, but I don't know if it was just marketing or whether they were not designed for the slightly higher chamber pressures. A newer model, the 7400 came out in 1981 and could be chambered in 270.
I think my dad always said the 280 failed because it was released with a 140gr instead of a 150gr so it really didn’t do anything the 270 didn’t do with a 130gr.
a .280 will keep up with(or even go faster) a 7mm mag to about thrugh 150 grn bullet weight. the larger powder collum of the 7,mm mag shows its self on the higher weight end I built My .280AI with barnes 140 X bullets in mind
OMG! The original cartridge name was 7mm Express Remington, NOT 7mm Remington Express! Thankfully, I bought a brand new Savage 110 Hunter in 280 Ackley Improved with a 22-inch barrel. I use Winchester, Remington, and Norma 280 Remington brass for my reloads. Redding dies are the best over the counter dies for my money. My heavy bullets are Sierra 160 grain Game King bullets and Nosler's 160 grain Accubond and Ballistic Tip bullets. I reload all my ammo on my 30+ years old RCBS Rock Chucker II press. Another excellent cartridge from the 30-06 Springfield parent case is the 338-06 A-Square cartridge. Thor's Hammer!
I have a H&R got 13 Barrels all 5 of the -06 casings 25-06 26 inch barrel 280 26 inch barrel it's my go to PA. I run 120Gr. Hornady V-Max. You don't chase Deer.
Hornady look at reloading 175 gr in 280AI. I would like to find factory ammo in 175 gr eld. I am going to try 180 gr also. I have Remington 280 brass. It has 7mm express on the brass.. New Browning rifles only come in a 1@8 twist.
I built a custom .280 Rem a few years back. I went back and forth between building it in AI. But It really came down to the fact I already had .280Rem dies. I can easily load 140 grain bullets at 3000fps but my pet load is a 120 Barnes TTSX with IMR4831 at just over 3200fps. I would take the .280 Rem for any animal in North America except maybe the biggest bears. I know the AI is considered cooler because you can jam a little more powder in it but just the standard is a big plenty.
My one and done is a 280 AI with a 160 grain bullet at around 2900-2950 fps. This will take anything in North America. A little correction though. At around the 6:30 mark you guys mention that in the same weight of bullet between the 270 and 280 that the 280 would have a better BC and SD. This isn't true. You correct yourself on BC, but not SD. With the exact same weight, bullet, and velocity, the 270 will slightly out penetrate the w80 due to a smaller bullet diameter. The 270 will always have a better SD than the 280 in the same weight class, regardless of which bullet is chosen.
Let hear the velocity with the 175 from 280ai with rl26. I know what my 7mm prc is doing. I also have a 280ai. Im just going to say the 280ai should be much more popular then it is.
I wouldnt call your 280ai ammo "available". I have yet to see it on the shelf or in stock online ever. The only box i have ever seen was at my gunsmith and he used it for checking headspace after the gauges.
The 280 Rem is near and dear to my heart. The 280 Ackley is just a bit more of an already good thing. What I can’t figure out is why some production rifles in 280 Ackley are being built with 22” barrels. The Ackley shines in a 24-26” barrel. What’s the point in owning a race horse if you’re going to hobble it from the get go.
👨🏫 Though Not Complete, Here Is a "Sufficient 0.277 Bullet List" (in 5 grain Increments) to Back Up My Claims That The 270 Caliber Has A Better "Hunting Bullet" (Bonded and Monolithic Solid) Availability Than Either the 7mm Caliber or 6.5 Caliber, With More High B.C. "Hunting Bullets" of This Construction: 1.) 80 grains (G.S. Custom) = B.C. of 0.260 2.) 85 grains (Nosler E-Tip) = B.C. of 0.273 3.) 90 grains (Speer Bonded Gold Dot) = B.C. of 0.253 4.) 95 grains (Barnes TAC-TX) = B.C. of 0.292 5.) 100 grains (Nosler E-Tip) = B.C. of 0.327 6.) 105 grains (Cavity Beck MKZ) = B.C. of 0.325 7.) 110 grains (Barnes TTSX) = B.C. of 0.377 8.) 115 grains (Speer Bonded Gold Dot) = B.C. of 0.401 9.) 120 grains (Cavity Beck MKZ) = B.C. of 0.365 10.) 125 grains (Cutting Edge) = B.C. of 0.465 11.) 130 grains (128 grain Badlands Bulldozer-2) = B.C. of 0.531 12.) 135 Grains (Lost River J-36 Bullet) = B.C. of 0.649 13.) 140 grains (Badlands Bulldozer-2) = B.C. of 0.650 14.) 145 grains (Cutting Edge) = B.C. of 0.495 15.) 150 grains (Badlands Bulldozer-2) = B.C. of 0.710 16.) 155 grains (Federal Terminal Ascent) = B.C. of 0.585 (Note: Federal Has Mistakenly Listed the 7mm Bullet of Similar Length Higher, Which Can't Be True) 17.) 160 grains = 162 grain Hammer Hunter Copper Soild = B.C. of 0.274 (Could Be Significantly Improved) 18.) 165 grains (Nosler ABLR) = B.C. of 0.620 19.) 170 grains = None Found Yet (Here is an Opportunity For Someone to Fill in the Gap) 20.) 175 grains = None Found Yet (Here is an Opportunity Someone to Fill in the Gap) 21.) 180 grain (Woodleigh Weldcore) = B.C. of 513
I bought a used 700 ADL back in 1982. It is marked 7mm Express. The 280 has always been my favorite cartridge since 8th grade in 1972.
It's worth a lot more than you paid for it. Some are marked 7mm- o6.
I have one s well!
My grandfather, a gunsmith, left me a Remington 742 in 7mm Express. I was totally unfamiliar with that cartridge or 7mm bullets in general. Once I started researching it and found that 280 ammo was available, I feel in love with the 7mm in general. Needed a bolt gun for hunting in PA, so I got a 7mm-08. Eventually got a 7RM and then did my first customer in a 7mm Sherman Short. needed a lightweight rifle for Western hunting, got a 280AI in an ultralite. Convinced myself I needed a 7PRC. I still haven't shot that one, but I do love my 7's.
280 AI is a really interesting cartridge and might be a lot more popular if there was plenty of ammo. It definitely has my interest 👍
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Of the 33 remaining streets, several are just fields where streets are planned to be, a couple are in a gated community that I've not found open in the last 3 years and 2 are way the heck out in country.. I have to figure out a way to get the final few red dots, then will run the final 7 mile route in the center of the city, finishing at our downtown arena.😅 0:29 😢 0:31 😮😮 0:33 😅😮 0:41 😅😮 0:49 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮 0:59 😮😮Franchi momentum 65 PRC😅Franchi momentum 65 PRC🎉😢I was just looking at old photo albums and I saw the largest Northern Alberta Wtail shed I have ever had the pleasure of finding with a buddy over 20 years ago. Sadly we gave this shed away back then. If I remember correctly it scored 91-7/8 as a 7 pt.
Had a 28” beam that curled right around inside itself. I personally found a 96” the next year that I still own but it is a non typ and a hard white shed. This one is world class and I feel blessed to have been given the privilege of seeing it exactly where it fell as it laid.😢😢😮😢 1:54 😮 1:56 1:57 😢
If 280ai had the support of some of the newer cartridges we probably wouldn't have a lot of the newer cartridges. It's the do all 7mm!
I love mine I can get with in 100 fps of the 7 mag. I have a 1 in 8.5 twist criterion barrel on a savage trued action
👍 The Blessing Of Remington Nutering The 280 Is That It Created The 280 AI - One Of The Very Best Cartridges For Hunting Elk In The Rocky Mountain West! It Deserves To Be More Popular! 🤑
Well we agree again lol I had a 280 Remington awesome cartridge I like it better than the 270 or the 30/06 don't really have experience with the 280 ai
I Like All Three Alot!@@Matt-en1kn
LOVE the .280 Ackley! Best all around cartridge made.
Love my 280 AI’s. Big fan of all 7mm’s. Currently have a 7mm-08, 7x57, 7 SAUM, 280 REM, 3- 280 AI’s, 7 REM Mag, 7 RUM and 7 PRC. Out of all of the 7’s I own, I am partial to my 280 AI’s and my 7 SAUM. Running 168 and 175 gr bullets they have accounted for several Mule Deer, Whitetail, Antelope, Bear and an Elk at ranges from 60 yards to 525. I’ve been shooting 280 AI for 18 years and have been happy to see it pick up a following over the years and even a few factory rifles and factory ammo offerings that have brought more people to the table on a great cartridge!
Great pod cast! The 7mm is in my heart! I have a 7mm-08, .280, 280Ai, and two 7mags! But my favorite is the .280Ai! I agree it is magical and looks so cool! I’m shooting a 26” barrel and have 7mm Mag velocities! Of course I’m a hand loader of 47 years so, I love to work up loads that are accurate and fast! Keep up the great work at Hornady, love your bullets!
भाई जी मुझे काटरेज भेज सकते हो 280 चैबर राईफल का काटरेज मिल जाता है मुझे अभी तक काटरेज नहीं मिला किसी भी दूकान से कहा से मिलेगा जरूर बताओ जी
Another great video in this series. Love getting the perspective of the people in the business who are truly in the know. It's starting to become a "when Hornady speaks, everyone listens".
definitley need more various loads from hornady with the 280 ackley. SST and interlock loadings would be awesome to have
You forgot to mention Kenny Jarrett. He put the 280 Ack on the map with his beanfield rifles. He published loads in the early Nosler reloading manuals and deserves almost as much credit as PO Ackley
Own multiple 280 Remingtons and other cartridges as well. But I always find myself grabbing the 280 for everything
I am a 280 rem shooter. I have 2 280 rem rifles. But my new rifle came in. A Browning Xbolt Speed Long Range 280AI. The barrel is 26 inch 1@8 barrel. I'm planning on trying some Hornady 162 gr eld x ammo. Also, picking up some 162 175 and 180 gr eld bullets. Great show. Please do more on 280AI shows.
I am running the 175 ELD-X in my 280 AI. Using 4831 SC it is moving 2855fps in a 24” barrel, 1-8 twist. Great shooter.
You'd do better velocity wise to get a good 7mm magnum and then download it to any velocity that you want, including the 175 grain nosler partition or the long range accubond for elk and such.
The 280 was loaded down from the beginning due to the weaker action of the semi auto and the pump actions of its time. When it was first introduced in a bolt gun, the factory loads were still downloaded due to the many weaker semi and pump guns on the market. My first "high power" rifle was a Browning A Bolt in 280 Remington in the mid 80's. Handloading really makes this round shine. It still serves me well to this day.
Not true, the semi & pumps were already chambered for 270, so no reason the 280 shouldn't have been run at same pressure. We all know the famous writer that did his best to downplay the 280 because the 270 was his baby.
@@randyphillips559 You need to research a little better. The Remington M740 introduced in 1955 was not chambered in .270. When the M740 was replaced with the M742 in 1960 it was not chambered in .270 either. So no, the .270 was not chambered in the M740 before the 7 mm Express/.280 Remington. Nor was it chambered in the M742 before the .280. The 7mm Express/.280 Remington was developed and loaded for the specific pressure level to reliably operate the Remington gas system.
I've wanted a 280 AI ever since I read an article by Ron Spomer several years ago about his experience with the 280 AI. Then along comes the 7 PRC. Decisions decisions. That decision was made when a gentleman I work with had some Nosler brass and Redding 280 AI dies for sale. The barrel and action are currently at the gunsmith getting worked and should be in my hands within the month. Can't wait. Thank you for all the content. Very interesting.
Keep in mind, too, that Hornady's own posted velocities for 162gr 280AI load and 160gr 7PRC ae separated in velocity by a whopping 150fps. If you get the throat cut long on your Ackley, you can stuff a little more powder in while keeping the pressures at safe levels, and -easily- nudge that 150fps velocity.
I admire y'all for shooting it straight on the ole 280ai. My mind was set on it before the 7prc. Now I probably will end up with both lol
Just picked up a NIB Ruger M77 Hawkeye African in .280 AI 1 of 250 made in 2020 along with 2 boxes of Hornady Precision Hunter 162 Grain ELDX. Got her scoped up and can't wait to get out to the range to sight her in!
I had a 280 Remington for years. It was a Winchester Featherlite. I live and hunt in Idaho. My 280 Rem took many deer both mule deer and whitetails, as well as a few elk. I reload and using 168gr Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets, I was able to get low 7 Rem Mag velocities safely. As I've aged and with two shoulder replacements, I had to stop using my magnums and my heavy loads in my 45-70. To continue elk hunting, I chose a Kimber Hunter in 280AI with a muzzle brake and good recoil pad, I was able to continue hunting elk. The fact that it is only 5-4 lbs naked allows me to hunt all day. Using Barnes 168gr TTSX and Hornady 150gr CX bullets, I get 7 Rem Mag velocities with much reduced recoil. The 280AI can take anything in North America except for the big bears. You guys at Hornady always do a great job with your videos. Just a request, could you guys make a 168gr CX bullet in 7mm?
The 280 is an incredible cartridge that will always be a sentimental favorite. I killed my first mulie buck, pronghorn buck, and cow elk using my uncle’s model 700 in 280 shooting 140 Partitions. Of course, as a western hunter, whose favorite big game animal is mule deer, I’ve played with having a 280 AI built so I could shoot quality 140 bullets on mulie hunts. Thanks for a great video.
Hornady has extended my appreciation of the 280 AI with the 162 ELDX and my favorite the 160 CX. Your pod cast was very enjoyable in its scope. I have enjoyed shooting many different cartridges for many years, and the 280 AI is my favorite. The 7mm PRC is impressive also. Since I hand load only, I hope to see more brass availability from Hornady for the 280 AI and the 7mm PRC.
Similar to your experience with RL-26, I found peak performance in 280 AI with VV-N560 and 162gr. ELD-X. I run 150gr. monolithic bullets at 3k fps for hunting and it’s amazing for both timber and open country. I’m just beginning the journey with 7PRC but 280AI will be hard to unseat as my do-it-all cartridge.
Sounds like Ackley was ahead of his time. His head spacing and cartridge profile looks like the new prc cartridges. Which prc line is a breath of fresh air.
280 REM is my go to deer/bear rifle. My most forgiving load is 162 ELDX @ 2,750fps out of a 20" barrel.
The 280 Remington was my first hi-power rifle. Today, I have several, some no longer made. I also got a7mag, because everybody needs one of them.
I have a Kimber hunter in 280AI. Just wanted one. Already have everything covered: 25-06 for medium game and 30-338 WM for larger game. I guess the Kimber would be my sheep/back country rifle, but too old and fat for that anymore. Good podcast. Thanks for the content.
My current firearm project is a 280 Remington. The 280 Remington is a fine cartridge.
🕵️♂️ The Lesson That The 280 Remington Taught Us Is Design The Gun Around The Cartridge And Don't Neuter The Cartridge To Promote A Specific Model Of Gun!
Exactly this.
I purchased a bergara 7 PRC last summer with a 24-in barrel. Not getting anywhere near the velocities as advertised on the factory ammo. So I can't say I love it yet. I need to experiment with some hand loading.
Great podcast and absolutely love cartridge talks
Thanks so much!
I love my 280AI!
PO Ackley created cartridges with only a tiny expansion in powder capacity. The gain in performance came in loading to higher pressures than the parent cartridges.
@4:55 hunting was different then, even in the west. i talked with my grandpa before he passed and the 50-mid 60s was a good time, elk and deer were everywhere and you could get close. a lot of places that are privatly owned now were open to the public back then also, so it was kind of a free reign sort of thing. there wasnt a need to reach out across a canyon to reach the elk because there was a group in the canyon you were in back then. so they needed fast hnadling auto loaders or pump guns to get multiple shots off at 200 or less
Great video. You said at 6:05 that they chambered it in the Winchester 760 pump. I think it was the Remington 760 pump.
I bought my .280 back in 1998. Still shot it, my very first hunting rifle. Nothing like the thud in the woods from my .280rem! I miss the 139 SST Hornady bullet can on get the on reload now.
I just inherited my grandfather's ww2 kar 98 he rebareld to 280 in the 60's or 70's for hunting and his reloading equipment for it. Didn't know to much about it other than it always brought home game every year. Cool to find some info on all the differences of the 7mm cartridges.
The 280 AI is rated at 65,000 psi (transducer) in the current SAAMI tables vs 60,000 for the non-AI version. This could make a little more boost in factory ammo.
Deming's folks should use 280 Rem original story as a "How-Not-To" primer.
Great to hear the 280 Ackley is a good feeder.
The 280ai is my favourite cartridge hands down, I would be happy to take it hunting anything. I am considering building a long range target rifle in 280ai. Lol I am a huge fanboy of the 280ai mine has a 1:8.5 twist and can handle almost any weight of bullet.
FWIW, my understanding is the reason that the 280 Rem was introduced (at slightly lower max pressure than the 270) was that Remington discovered reliability problems with the model 740 semi-auto rifle in 270. It seemed to work OK with the 30-06 at 60,000 psi, but it just didn't last with the 270 at 65,000.
I handload the Berger 180-grain VLD at 3,000 fps in my 26" 280 AI (SAAMI standard chamber). What's not to like?
Love the 280AI, I have been looking at a modified 35 Whelan to a 35 AI. Remarkable cartridges.
Seth, history bro: Remington's Model 725 rifle was a short-lived bolt-action design offered from 1958 to 1961. About 16,635 were manufactured in .222 Rem., .243 Win., .244 Rem., .270 Win., 280 Rem., and .30-'06 chamberings. The majority of the rifles made were in .30-'06 caliber.
I think your dates are incorrect. I have a 725 made in '63 and is chambered in 280 Rem.
I was just headed down the path of building a 280AI and then the 7 PRC was introduced.
So I built the latter.
I've taken more deer with a Remington 700 MTN .280 Rem than any other rifle. At the time I purchased the rifle as a teenager, I wanted a rifle with less recoil than a 30-06, and heavier bullet options than the .270 Win.
Is it possible to throat the barrel of 280AI to shoot long and high BC 7mm in 185-195gr range?
Joe - Any chance of getting your chamber/throat/leade specs? I've been considering having a .280AI (1:8) built, but want the PRC-type chamber specs. Thanks.
I was loading up some 280 brass to fire form to 280AI. I was shocked how much room in the case was left was unused by a max 280 load of powder.
I have had one in 280 since 1982 love it the bullet coefficient or the 7 mm is fabulous start out with 30/06 a buddy of mine so you should try to 280 had never heard of it, but I bought one because it was on sale and I love it
I have a question for you ,I just purchased the 11th edition reloading manual by Hornady and it does not have the ballistics in it like other manuals have. Why is that.
The 280 Remington Model 700 was my first Big game rifle, in 1972. I ran into some shooters who suggested I have it rechambered to the 280 P.O Ackley Imp. I've taken Antelope, Mulies, and Elk in Colorado with it. I love it. When I bought my die set from Redding they requested 3 new fire-formed cases to confirm my chamber dimensions to match up their part number for the dies. Question: When the SAAMI 280 AI came out I was told never to shoot it in the PO Chamber. I was told they do not have the same dimensions. Do you know if I was misled, or bad information?
I put a .280 ai together for my Father in law, blueprinted 700 action, criterion Remage barrel in a magpul hunter stock. It’s a shooter, his best group 5 shots at 500 yards 1.5 inches! I believe that was with 175 smk’s.
When are we gonna get a switch barrel podcast?
Would love to know the best style and how to build a 6.5 CM/7PRC
.280AI is a very efficient, low recoiling, shoots different bullet weights, and has impressive ballistics. 4350 and 4831 accurate powders with .280AI but RL22, 23, and 26 bring the velocity.
I HAVE USED THE POWDERS YOU MENTION IN MY 280 AI, BUT I FIND THAT VV-N560 PROVIDES EVEN BETTER RESULTS.
Great work, thanks boys.
Have you done a talk on the 338 RUM ?
Not yet!
The biggest improvement beside the increase in powder capacity of the 280 AI over the 280 Remington comes from the SAMMI chamber pressure limits. Because it was chambered in pumps and auto loaders the 280 Remington is limited to 58,000 psi while the AI goes to 65,000 psi. A 12% increase in allowable chamber pressure is certainly going to give a significant increase in bullet velocity.
When you buy a 7mm Remington magnum you can download the damn thing to the 280 Remington, or anything in between. My old BDL made in 75 is currently loaded with the Hornady 139 gr. Interlocks at a muzzle velocity of 3140.
My experience using this load is one of a good 280, doesn't kick like a shave tail mule.
It pokes a quarter size hole on the ribcage exit wound, and they don't take another step.
I like my 280, even though it's actually a downloaded 7mm. Remington magnum.
My 24” 280ai pushes 162eldx @2960fps with h4831sc.
60.5 grn
Need more standard 280 loads from Hornady
150 grain ELDX shoots great from my Montana rifle company gun
Didn’t the 280 rem get limited like the 284 win did because of its initial loading was made basically for the pump and semi automatic rifles thus requiring a lower pressure load? That cost the 280 dearly just like the 284 win.
So fast forward 6 months I’ve ordered one to be built though my gunsmith here In SD. I’ve wanted a 280 AI for several decades and I just got a 7mm Rem mag a few weeks ago. The main reason I want it so bad is because it’s truly always been a reloaders Nirvana type caliber. Now elect Trump so we can end these wars and get some reloader 26 back on the shelves.
Pump rifles are so underrated easier for a whole family to use when some of the shooters are left-handed
Both are extremely underrated cartridges.
Get a 280AI with a 1:8 twist and don't look back!!!! 😁😁😁
I have 280 Remington, aka 7mm express. I was surprised how flat it shoots
I’ve been saying the caliber that I want that Hornady has not provided as a 7 mm bullet and the 65 PRC case. I have no need or desire for a magnum, but would like a better short action that’s modern running the same speed as a Ackley improved then someone told me about the 284 Winchester, which seems like a really cool cartridge. That’s pretty well dead.
I have always been enamored with the .280 AI, but never purchased a rifle chambered in it.
Love my 280 ai. I got rid of my 25-06’s, to me it doesn’t do anything a 6.5 creed or 7mm-08 won’t do with a short action and shorter barrels.
Great informative video once again, can you tell me what the length of a factory loaded shell is for a 162 grain ELDX? I’m trying to find a sweet spot on my X-bolt and am hoping to get a headstart starting with your factory OAL.
Checked, ~3.275"
@@hornady can you please confirm the length. 🙏 Thanks
@@keithchikowski5583 fixed
Thank you, greatly appreciated
Good show guys. I reload a 280 Rem in a Mauser bolt Rifle and love the bullet selection over 270 Win. To me there is no doubt 280 is better. 280 Rem is enough for me and easier to make or find brass than the 280 AI. I’ve settled on 175gr bullets for Moose and they can work good on deer too. No such thing as over penetration, that just gives you 2 bleed holes.
Technically, the Saami approved 280ai is not the version PO Ackley originally designed it as.
Perfect, thinking bout building a gun in this caliber. Very timely
This'll probably be overlooked, but at release the 280 was down-loaded (like Seth said) because of the platforms it was chambered in. When it was renamed, they bumped those loads up to what they are now, or so Remington claimed.
Also, weight-for-weight, it depends on the bullets when determining which has a higher BC.*
For instance, the 140gr .284 Nosler Accubonds and Ballistic Tips have a BC of .485, but the .277 ones are at .460 G1. However, the 150gr .277 versions of the same bullets have a very slight edge over the .284 versions (from Nosler 9).
In Hornady offerings, the .277 140gr SST has a G1 of .495, and the .284 139gr SST has a BC of .486. The .277 and .284 Interbond and SST has the exact same BC of .525. For the ELD-X, the .277 145gr option has a G7 of, ironically, .270, which is less than a 150gr ELD-X in .284 at .289 (from Hornady 11).
*TLDR; It just depends.
And you have to ask yourself does it make enough difference to make a difference? 7 thousandths of an inch just isn’t much.
@@chipsterb4946 it is when the heaviest .277 bullet until a few years ago was a 160gr semi spitzer. 7mm has always had better designs and weights
@@noahhorinek historically 7mm has had better bullet choices, but the differences you pointed out aren’t significant to me at 300 yards and in. Barnes makes a 155 grain .277 bullet with a G1 BC of 0.540 - that’s sweet! Except you need a 1:8 twist rate.
You guys said years ago it would be temporary the plain brass case on critical defence, stop skimping and put the plate back.
This is coming along when I am building a 280 AI I just got my finish reamer I got a 721 Remington and it was in a 30-06 but it didn’t shoot good so I ordered a barrel short chambered and threaded and crowned and I am building one it’s going to be 26” 1-8 twist you guys know what is a good weight of bullets would be good to start with with that twist
If you have enough room in the magazine, look at the 175 gr ELD-X
I have a Rem 725 made in '63 chambered in the 280 Rem. Looks and sh9ts very well. Most loads MOA or better.
How short can you go? I know I sound nuts but I want an 18” Ackley
Back when the 280 Remington came out I don’t think too many people were making 400 or 500 yard shots, I think a lot more hunters gravitated towards lever action and semi automatic rifles, I think had to load the ammo a little lower pressure for those rifles and I think that hurt it.
The 280 Rem has the same SAAMI max pressure of 60,000psi (transducer) as the 30-06, so it can be used in any rifle designed for the 30-06. The 270 Win, like the 280AI are allowed 5,000 psi more. I noticed that tha Remington's semi-auto 740 and 742 were chambered in 30-06 and 280 but not 270, but I don't know if it was just marketing or whether they were not designed for the slightly higher chamber pressures. A newer model, the 7400 came out in 1981 and could be chambered in 270.
Hopefully you guys will keep loading for the 280 ai
Would love to hear a comparison of the 280 Remington and 284 Winchester.
I think my dad always said the 280 failed because it was released with a 140gr instead of a 150gr so it really didn’t do anything the 270 didn’t do with a 130gr.
a .280 will keep up with(or even go faster) a 7mm mag to about thrugh 150 grn bullet weight. the larger powder collum of the 7,mm mag shows its self on the higher weight end I built My .280AI with barnes 140 X bullets in mind
OMG! The original cartridge name was 7mm Express Remington, NOT 7mm Remington Express!
Thankfully, I bought a brand new Savage 110 Hunter in 280 Ackley Improved with a 22-inch barrel. I use Winchester, Remington, and Norma 280 Remington brass for my reloads. Redding dies are the best over the counter dies for my money. My heavy bullets are Sierra 160 grain Game King bullets and Nosler's 160 grain Accubond and Ballistic Tip bullets.
I reload all my ammo on my 30+ years old RCBS Rock Chucker II press.
Another excellent cartridge from the 30-06 Springfield parent case is the 338-06 A-Square cartridge. Thor's Hammer!
Love my Remington 700 bdl 7mm remington express
I have a H&R got 13 Barrels all 5 of the -06 casings 25-06 26 inch barrel 280 26 inch barrel it's my go to PA. I run 120Gr. Hornady V-Max. You don't chase Deer.
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Love the .280. I’m about to have it rechambered to AI. Please look at 338-06 / AI I have the AI. Also thank you for producing .358 Win ammo!
Hornady look at reloading 175 gr in 280AI. I would like to find factory ammo in 175 gr eld. I am going to try 180 gr also. I have Remington 280 brass. It has 7mm express on the brass.. New Browning rifles only come in a 1@8 twist.
I built a custom .280 Rem a few years back. I went back and forth between building it in AI. But It really came down to the fact I already had .280Rem dies. I can easily load 140 grain bullets at 3000fps but my pet load is a 120 Barnes TTSX with IMR4831 at just over 3200fps. I would take the .280 Rem for any animal in North America except maybe the biggest bears. I know the AI is considered cooler because you can jam a little more powder in it but just the standard is a big plenty.
Give us a factory 280 Ackley with the 160 CX
My one and done is a 280 AI with a 160 grain bullet at around 2900-2950 fps. This will take anything in North America.
A little correction though. At around the 6:30 mark you guys mention that in the same weight of bullet between the 270 and 280 that the 280 would have a better BC and SD. This isn't true. You correct yourself on BC, but not SD.
With the exact same weight, bullet, and velocity, the 270 will slightly out penetrate the w80 due to a smaller bullet diameter. The 270 will always have a better SD than the 280 in the same weight class, regardless of which bullet is chosen.
6:30 Seth, you've got that wrong! The 270 weight for weight is going to be better. Glad those guys corrected you
If I ever bought a custom Rifle it would be .280 Rem. Has everything I would need.
You think 20 or 22 inches is too short?
Reloader 26 and 175eldx or 168 bergers in my 280ai is all smiles.
Let hear the velocity with the 175 from 280ai with rl26. I know what my 7mm prc is doing. I also have a 280ai. Im just going to say the 280ai should be much more popular then it is.
I wouldnt call your 280ai ammo "available". I have yet to see it on the shelf or in stock online ever. The only box i have ever seen was at my gunsmith and he used it for checking headspace after the gauges.
Have both the 280 and 280 AI love both but the 280 AI with 162 ELDX I have shot coyotes, deer and moose no issues ever.
The 280 Rem is near and dear to my heart. The 280 Ackley is just a bit more of an already good thing. What I can’t figure out is why some production rifles in 280 Ackley are being built with 22” barrels. The Ackley shines in a 24-26” barrel. What’s the point in owning a race horse if you’re going to hobble it from the get go.
It's hilarious that the 280 ai is just as good as the 7prc that doesn't produce the velocity that they have lied about to everyone
I believe that the RCBS Improved version is 28* not 35*
👨🏫 Though Not Complete, Here Is a "Sufficient 0.277 Bullet List" (in 5 grain Increments) to Back Up My Claims That The 270 Caliber Has A Better "Hunting Bullet" (Bonded and Monolithic Solid) Availability Than Either the 7mm Caliber or 6.5 Caliber, With More High B.C. "Hunting Bullets" of This Construction: 1.) 80 grains (G.S. Custom) = B.C. of 0.260 2.) 85 grains (Nosler E-Tip) = B.C. of 0.273 3.) 90 grains (Speer Bonded Gold Dot) = B.C. of 0.253 4.) 95 grains (Barnes TAC-TX) = B.C. of 0.292 5.) 100 grains (Nosler E-Tip) = B.C. of 0.327 6.) 105 grains (Cavity Beck MKZ) = B.C. of 0.325 7.) 110 grains (Barnes TTSX) = B.C. of 0.377 8.) 115 grains (Speer Bonded Gold Dot) = B.C. of 0.401 9.) 120 grains (Cavity Beck MKZ) = B.C. of 0.365 10.) 125 grains (Cutting Edge) = B.C. of 0.465 11.) 130 grains (128 grain Badlands Bulldozer-2) = B.C. of 0.531 12.) 135 Grains (Lost River J-36 Bullet) = B.C. of 0.649 13.) 140 grains (Badlands Bulldozer-2) = B.C. of 0.650 14.) 145 grains (Cutting Edge) = B.C. of 0.495 15.) 150 grains (Badlands Bulldozer-2) = B.C. of 0.710 16.) 155 grains (Federal Terminal Ascent) = B.C. of 0.585 (Note: Federal Has Mistakenly Listed the 7mm Bullet of Similar Length Higher, Which Can't Be True) 17.) 160 grains = 162 grain Hammer Hunter Copper Soild = B.C. of 0.274 (Could Be Significantly Improved) 18.) 165 grains (Nosler ABLR) = B.C. of 0.620 19.) 170 grains = None Found Yet (Here is an Opportunity For Someone to Fill in the Gap) 20.) 175 grains = None Found Yet (Here is an Opportunity Someone to Fill in the Gap) 21.) 180 grain (Woodleigh Weldcore) = B.C. of 513