Fender Frontman 20G (How Bad Can It Be?)
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- Fender Frontman 20G (How Bad Can It Be?)
The Frontman is Fender's small cheap practice amp solution. This is the real beginner deal, the kind of thing that I started out on back in the day when I started playing guitar. And I don't mean that in a good way.
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Is this made in China or made in Indonesia model ?
Reminds me of my first Harley Benton Amp in 2012. That also sounded very bad.
Btw I really like your rants about bad gear. Still polite but straight to the point. Thanks Sir!
Thank you :)
couldnt say it beter myself :D hahah
WORD!
20 years ago I grew up playing a MicroCube , such a great lil amp for bedroom playing . After some years i upgraded to Cube 20X which was also very good amp for a beginner player.
Roland is just Roland. Solid amps. always been. Always will be. Period (and many other things ofc!)
I just bought this amp even after watching this video. I tried it with my G&L strat and my Epi LP Special and thought it wasn't that bad as a clean amp. I also have a Blackstar ID Core 20, an Orange Crush 12, a Roland Cube 10GX and a IRig micro amp. It doesn't sound as good as the Cube or the Crush but I like it better than the Core and the IRig.
I was thinking about buying this amplifier to replace my Crush 12, if you don’t mind, I would like to know if it’s worth the upgrade. I love my crush 12 but I want more of metal sound from my amp. And you don’t have to reply if you don’t want to but it would be appreciated. Thank you.
Try the Roland Cube 10GX, you can program it for a more metal sound.@@jacobseraphin685
Amp sounds good, but do use an IBANEZ TS 10 TUBE SCREAMER. SOUNDS GOOD ON BOTH CHANNELS. I LIKE THE AMP. ALSO THE FENDER 15 G amp is very nice too.
I have the 10 watt version with the 8 inch speaker. I can’t imagine how an amp could be any worse and more discouraging to make one not want to play 🙂
Pretty much yeah :D
My first "amplification device" was a karaoke machine, trust me that 10 watt wonder you got is infinitely better
I walked passed a shop and seen this amp for 10 English pounds, it turned out to be a bass amp, but wow we both put guitars and effects through it, only a practice amp but the size of the speaker closed cab. Brilliant. Called a Meridian Ak15B Best beginning practice amp ever. Got a a lot punch.
My 90s made Frontman amps sound great when paired with some vintage celestion speakers 🔊. Takes pedals really well 😊 Gig them often
I paid $109 US last week for one. I have no problems with it. I'm not gonna take it gigging anywhere. Does what I need it to with little speaker distortion
For about 100€ you can get a mid 80s Fender Sidekick 10 which is the best small / practice transistor amp I ever heard. It has a Volume and Master and breaks up very tube like. If you have the chance get one and try it out. Also takes pedals very well.
Agreed - I have owned a Sidekick 10 from new in around 1986 - It’s a great little amp. Thankfully, I resisted the temptation to trade it in when I was younger and even more clueless than I am today! 😃
@@IanOS-UK I'll never ever trade that little gem. That thing and my Tele would be my lonley island rig.
I liked my frontman 15g so much, I bought a frontman 25r. I love these amps, lol. Just gotta turn the treble down. They’ve got a great fuzzy punch.
yup I can't comprehend what's up with all that hate train. These amps are just amazing.
Dude I was nearly about to buy this shit thx for your perspective!
Glad I could help :)
Thanks Elmo. I had one of these as a beginner. It's amazing how much better the Champion 20 sounds, for not much more money.
Haven't tried the Champion, but I'm sure it's way better than this.
I a/b both amps at Sam Ash in New York, way before the quarantine, when you could still do that in a music store. All the Champion's voices could be made with the Frontman, by just adjusting the Gain, volume, and (to a lesser extent) the EQ controls. The Champion makes it all easy for you, and it has built-in effects. That's the only difference, IMO; that, and the price.
Yes and Mustang is totally on another level than this. I like that Elmo says it straight unlike many other reactors...just using words like amazing, awesome and brilliant for everything they check.
@@johannessilver8653 The Champion and Frontman both s*ck, and the Mustang is a true Modeling amp, so it has to be more awesome than those two.
Oops.....
Yes, I agree.@@Da_Publick
I dated a girl who had this amp. I remember plugging in and being absolutely shocked at how BAD this amp was. It's truly something to behold
It truly is.
"Dated"...past tense. Say no more...
I'm not following you... was it terrible when you plugged into the amp or the girl? 🤣🤣
I liked it when you dropped the treble and then it was both muddy and still unbearably harsh at the same time.
Haha :D Yeah, it's quite something that it manages to sound harsh and muddy at the same time :D
There is a market for beginner gear so bad it makes kids quit and go back to learning a proper job. Smart fathers know that ;)
Haha :D
Absolutely nothing wrong with this amp
Im wbout to buy this amp tomorrow is it good?
Ya
@@user-qb8gx5jg6h did you buy it? what happened?
@@user-qb8gx5jg6h save up a bit more and buy a Boss Katana mk2 50 👍 i might be a bit too late 🤣
@@Leon-Coils19912a bit more?????
You can get these for twenty quid or less!!
Amazing for the price.
Somebody gave me one. I'm going to install an output and try different speakers. The speaker is it's biggest weakness. Or it's greatest feature if that's the sound you're after...
I had a fender 25r front man made in 2005. It was a cool amp, 10 inch speaker and a real spring reverb. It was a killer amp. I sold it unfortunately. It's sad to see fender lowering standards.
Mind you all the big brands have done it. Like marshall with the mg series.
I think the Marshall MG series is way better than this.
the MG series actually went up in quality; when the Frontman 10G came out that was deemed by many better due to the noise level inherent on th MG10cd @@MrPolevaulter
I picked up a Frontman 15 R , for a freind who was curious about learning to play. I found it at a yardsale for 15 dollars. It had a blown fuse, and two days later i found him a Roland amp cube for 30 bucks. I still haven't fixed and tried the Fender! Lol
I have to confess I recently bought one of these simply to have a small amp to easily move around.
My main amp is still a Marshall JCM800 50W tube combo (which is HEAVY), but after almost 60 years of playing, I still like simple stuff, too.
Simply retubing and biasing a Marshall amp costs way more than a Frontman 20.
If I were limited to only one amp, of course I would get something a lot better. As it is, using the clean channel and my usual stompboxes for extra flavor, it does OK. You're not going to get great sound out of an 8" speaker anyway.
I Had a Fender Champion 20w amp with some effects inside. It was not so bad as this one.....
The Champion is a modeller. It replicates tube distortion the same way a CD player does. This here is just a straight amplifier and it sounds terrible when pushed into true solid state distortion.
Sounds ok to me except the distortion. Maybe it's the miking instead of me being in the room?
Oh man... Now I really appreciate my roland cube 30x which I got second hand for 85 euro. Thank you Elmo for informative video
Cheers!
It's a small practice amp. It's not meant to play Madison Square Garden. For an 8 year old it's perfectly fine to learn with. It's a Fender. That says quality.
no excuse
you can DEFINITELY get a better fender-esque sound from a spark mini, if that's what you're after
Sounds a bit "stuffed" and "dry" but for beginners to learn and practise in their bedroom, this thing will do. A small amp like this can shurely not sound as good an clear as a 12" stage amp. But: I would buy it for little home use, because i ´ve already heard worse than this.
Cynical cash grab? It's $99 USD on Sweetwater. More like a cash flea bite. Maybe a pluck. Or a pinch?
I think it sounds jim dandy and bo didley. And it has a lot more controls than my blender. It's also 1/3 the price of a similar output studio monitor (one). Me thinks thou art Jaded green with energy. SO - what is better for acoustic and vocal? Nothing? A natural canyon? A tight Alleyway? A tub and shower? :)
I just got a new one. It was heavily discounted so took a chance.
No sound from clean channel at all. Very low volume sound from the overdrive channel, about the same volume as the hiss of the amp on gain.
Probably the channel selection switch is faulty.
I am sending it back. Interesting to see whether they repair it or refund the money. I already have a Jensen speaker for it so it would be nice to have a working amp to put the new speaker in.
On the positive side the pots on this amp feel very nice to turn and of course the looks are classic Fender. A nice practice toy if I will get a properly working unit.
For reference I have all the current Fender Champions, 20, 40 and 100. They all sound magnificent! I have a dozen or so tube amps, too, and still I am happy with the tones I get out of those Champions.
After a lot of looking about and loving my Boss GT6 pedal i could not, for home use, find anything worth getting i ended up with a Fender Champion 110 thats and old second hand amp( 20 ish years old )... lovely sound with or without effects (its built in reverb is crap) so i do tend to use with GT6 ... it sound lovely loud or quiet designed in USA built in Mexico and great condition for only £90 ....so look at second hand market guys some lovely bargains to be had still out there PS love your channel !!!!!!
Thanks!
100% spot on. The Frontman series should not even exist. Even the Champion 20 sounds like a tin can some times, but ok... A Katana mini is the way to go at this price level, or many other things, new or used.. thank God we have TH-cam these days.. Thanks Elmo.. Fender should even be ashamed for the quality of their guitars these days.. I own some of them, so I know what I am talking about...
Yeah, this amp is just terrible.
Not every frontman sounds bad, I have an old 25R which does make a decent clean tone when EQ`ed properly. Not brilliant but good enough for getting started. The drive sound is pretty bad though. Also the tin can feel might be better when using a bigger speaker like 10 or 12. It's sad but Fender became just another lifestyle brand like Gibson and Marshall appearently.
Bizarrely, it's quite refreshing to hear something quite bad! Lol
Haha :D
In Canada, it retails for $139.00
Looks like $100 in USA. Exchange Rate is 1.34 today. This amp reminds me a little of my Burwood G-10. I won't complain about that one. I got it when Radio Shacks were closing for about $10.
I miss my first amp, some rando Fender amp that came in those strat bundles (late 90s) the newer ones arent the same. It wasnt that good but I liked the gain on it, sounded very good for the type of stuff I was playing like Blink 182, Nirvana etc.
I have this amp. Great for practice.
I have my Harley Benton tube15 with a vintage 30 sörjer, super happy
That's a great amp.
I suppose the Fender Champion 20 is the perfect candidate for a complementary video. Fender should not be making the Frontman anymore.
the champion line is superb. I have a 1996 squier champ and it completely obliterates my fairly new frontman in any way imaginable
Based on this amp, I'd agree.
2:04 I thought it was Spongebob lol
You could improve the tone by modifying the amp with a sledge hammer.
Haha :D
The only thing worse than a Frontman 20G, is a Frontman 10G.
:D
That overdrive channel is like a swarm of angry hornets trained in the art of war to ravage your ears and make everyone hate you (not just your mother)!
Thanks for taking the bullet for us Elmo ;)
-Gabe
Thanks :D
" THANKS , BRO , FOR YOUR HONESTY .. NEVER CHANGE .. ALWAYS SPEAK THE TRUTH ..
Its not that bad. i used to jam with one it clips at full output . Its a cheap light amp that does the job.the roland cubes are waaaaay better.
I went ahead and bought this anyway. I have an affects processor though. Just needed a small speaker to play through.
Your reviews like your guitar playing is aways excellent. Your videos are always informative. I aways go to your videos to hear your good opinion on a product before I purchase anything.
I appreciate that!
I'm listening again and I'm shocked at how low quality the speaker and electronics are. The three EQ pots seem to do jack sh* for tonal improvements while the gain just turns the amplifier into a tin box. It's as though it was sitting outside in the rain for a few years. I'm assuming literally every major component is cheaper than what is found in competing amps, as nothing you did could salvage the sound. It's broken out of the box.
Indeed.
I had a 15W Frontman a few yyears back and I got rid of it fast. I do wonder though how the Nobels ODR-1 would have sounded into the clean channel? ;)
I'm a beginner and bought this amp. sounds fine to me, but hey, I'm a newbie.The thing I HATE about the small amp is the instructions that came with it are SHIT. I know the gain knob has something to do with the sound, but I can't get the gain setting right because I don't sound like Steve Vai. For that I feel kinda ripped off. I'm playing an Ibanez Jem btw, and just learned smoke on the water. had no idea learning to play guitar was so fun and easy. I think I'm ready to try For The Love of God.,
Hell yeah ! rock on dude
Thats an assault on the ears. Love it
What about Champion 20?
Haven't tried it.
I was looking for an amp that cost about 100€, I decided not to buy new one and I've found Fender Champion 65r with spring reverb, two chanels and I can say it is a beast, with 12 inch speaker, it sounds like old good fender, especially with strat SSS, I am happy I've bought used better amp, sound is brilliant. 😊
The clean sound wasn't terrible...... not what you want from a home practice amp. I like the THR series, have tried the Roland cubes, just not as good as the THR.
It's not a cash grab. It's a starter practice amplifier that you can achieve a clean sound on. Therefore you can use pedals in a chain before the amplifier and achieve a very good sound for a very cheap price. Depending on exactly where you are in the states, you can get one for 40 or 50 bucks. Sometimes less. You are obviously trying to push an amplifier from Europe. It might as well be a commercial. Harley Benton on the other hand does make garbage guitars from my experience.
Which European amp is that? Harley Benton Tube15? As in Stage Right (same amp). To my knowledge you can't find a single European or American amp at this price point. They're all made in Asia.
Reminds me of my first amp the infamous gorilla.
I think it's all subjective and situational. I understand people who have experienced greater/bigger amps would otherwise say that the Frontman 10/15/20g is a bad amp but for starting musicians, it's good for the price. I have the 10g and I'm fine with it so far. I'm not a hardcore guitar player so that maybe why. Cheers!
The clean tone is good but the distortion is where everything gets sucky
Amp actually is pretty fine. The cab is crappy.
I got rid of the cab entirely and modded mine to a "mini-head". (if you're somewhat skilled you can even mod a PA bypass and use it as direct out or in combination with another PA.)
Plug it in a 4x12 and the difference is day and night.
Boost it with a TS or similiar and you've got yourself a decent head for metal and sorts, considering its price on ebay was like 20€ or something like that.
Oh man! My first amp was Fender Frontman 15G, I got it in around 94 or something and thought it was a killer! At least you got that bee-hive buzz drive - more drive, better! I actually still have the amp (just to remind me what I learnt to play on) - it sounds as horrible as one you are demoing. Kids today should be happy for all the tabs, lessons and GEAR... hehe...
Oh! One addition, that wouldn't work as anchor for boat - it floats! 😅
Haha :D It floats :D
I have this amplifier, and I have a few gripes with your review of it. First, that amp is never meant to have the gain cranked.... 6 is as high as you should go. Second, I've gotten some absolutely wonderful tones out of my Frontman 20, plugging in my Schecter Omen-6. Lastly, you should dial the bass down to about 2 or 3. I love that amp, personally
So many options today. If you start out with one of those, it's good incentive to upgrade.
With the previous iteration of the Frontman, specifically the ones starting at 15, 15R and 25 watts, the biggest drawback were the speakers. Once those were swapped they were usable to excellent. Now weather that is the case with these new ones I don't know... If it is maybe... possibly... once they go on sale due to overstock or hit the used market then they might be something worth getting once you add the price of the new speaker
I got a new squire sonic tele and picked one of this to replace my estabaun 10 watt... I like it!
Probably all the amp most beginners will ever need ? Let's face it - will be played once or twice before being chucked in a corner with the guitar it came with. Cue years of dust later. I'm picking up my latest 'bargain' guitar tomorrow -played twice and then left in it's case. This will come with a 15 watt Peavey Vyper amp thrown in for free - what else could you do with it ?
Yeah. Dust collector.
Idk. Bought Boss Katana and Harley Benton JA baritone, and been playing almost nonstop. There are many good beginner amps and guitars, even very specific ones(like my 30" baritone, or 7-8 strings, only 9 strings aren't available for a cheap price, but down tuning pedal is, lol) - if you'll buy a bearable to good amp, and guitar you'll like, it's up to you then
Sounds like the put a speaker in a bread box. You can't expect a 1×8 to sound like a 1×10 or bigger, sure, but you can get quite a bit of sound out of it (even from smaller ones). This kinda lacks everything, sounds almost a bit broken to me.
The 8" speaker is not the problem. Solid state distortion is. A modeller with the same speaker sounds nice.
I think it's the solid state thing.
The distortion is terrible but clean thru a 12 might be respectable
Speaker in a breadbox will sound much better than this horrific amp, almost as bad as the Blaster amp of the early nineties.
When I started playing guitar in 2014 i almost bought this amp, but idk how i decided to get the vox mini 5 which i still have and sounds really good
Maybe it just needs a Dumble(ish) tuning
:D
If you're on a really tight budget for a home/practice amp you could buy a 40 watt Behringer HA40 for the same money in the UK (£99.00 depending on retailer) with two channels, 3 band EQ, spring reverb, overdrive and a Bugera 10" Vintage speaker. Can't expect miracles at this price but the Behringer sounds way better than this does.
Best advice though would be to save that £100 and you're almost halfway to a Boss Katana 50 MKII new or used.
Or a Fender Mustang LT25, Harley Benton HB-20, Harley Benton Tube5, used Roland Cube... The list goes on.
Thanks for giving honest reviews. I started playing in the mid 80s and had a small gorilla amp. It was so bad . Fortunately i didnt give up playing .
It's good to see the good old amp/guitar reviews again. 😊
I hope you already feel better after losing your job. 😁 (Seeing these awesome reviews I think you do.)
By the way I'm happy I have seen your Fender vs Boss Katana review before buying amp.
I almost bought this cr#p before seeing your video.
I thougt Fender solid state amps have got better after the years but they haven't.
I had a fender amp once. I was shocked at the speaker when I took it out. very light had really thin magnet. Seemed very cheap.
Well as stand alone amp your very correct BUT the clean channel is fab if used even like
with a old boss gt6 pedal eq ect and you can make it sound cool but only at lowish vol not as bad as you say depends on your patience to correct eq and drive extra and its over priced so i half agree with you sir Kar+
I needed a home practice amp, so I tried one too, and thought the same. I couldn't get a tone I liked. I spent less on a STAGE RIGHT w a 12" and reverb. It smokes that POS.
I saw people turning rhese things to heads and as they connect them bigger cabs sounds become more usable.
I have a Marshall MG 10 and from the sounds of the Fender 20G, its in the same category.
It's too bad too because this and g10 are amazing looking amps but they sound like hollow slush from the bottom of a well.
They go for about $200 here in Australia.
I saw them as low as $180 and as high as $249 (wow).
Is it any wonder people give it away when they buy crap like this. If you can't make it sound good with a YJM Strat, it must really be an awful amp. 😢
The three biggest problems with the Fender 20G are ...
1. Cheap 8" Transistor Radio Level Speaker (Made by Eminence?) - Should be at least a High Quality 10" Celestion, WGS, or Jensen - Scumback doesn't manufacture 10" guitar speakers anymore.
2. No Reverb - What?
3. Drive Channel Circuitry - Pulled from a 1960's Radio Shack Pocket Transistor Radio.
*NOTE:* At least it has an headphone jack, which should prevent one's Mother from hating them if used at all times instead of the Cheap 8" Transistor Radio Level Speaker. Just make sure to use QUALITY headphones.
The "Champ" that came with my Squier was pretty damn awful. Back in 2000. But it did sound pretty gnarly when you played it through headphones, like that Beatles "Revolution" distortion.
My first amp was the fender frontman 15, I genuinely wanted to quit not because I couldn't play, but because of how awful the amp sounded, I wouldn't give this amp to a crack head with a toilet seat as a guitar. Upgraded to a fender champion 20 for home use and street gigging and the difference is huge, it has multiple built in effected and voices, you should definitely give it a review! Trust me
Thanks for the review Elmo you know I enjoy & appreciate it 🎉cheers🙏✌️❤️
No problem 👍
Elmo I want to thank you for doing this review! I've been looking for a good review on this amp and I'm going to get it. I've been wanting a good solid state amp head but I either don't like the sound or the looks of some of the ones on the market. So I'm going to get the fender 20g and turn it into a head and I'm optimistic that it will sound good through my 2x12 cab! I'll probably just use the clean channel and run my pedal board for drive and whatever else. 👍
No problem.
Maybe it's where I'm listening on a MacBook Pro, but does it sound a little bit "paper cuppish"?
Elmo, you must be very committed to informing your viewers or a masochist, I would bet on the former.
:D
Thank you because I was thinking of buying one now I know better 😎🎸🎶☮️
The video didn’t sound too bad. I’ll take this as a w
Great clip as always Elmo. I miss my angry 🍻 with chainsaws. I remember tye eighties when I eagerly looked into shop windows hoping to upgrade to a Carlsbro amp... long ago.. but they all sounded like that..kind of like a mini rectifier in a sardine can..in a wooden box..and then there was the
obligatory collection of arion pedals with a Ross distortion thrown up front...and plywood marlins, hondos or encores..
I still think that the Strat is really that Gilmour-McCartney's picture. At last there it goes in my head with the 24 hrs. I wouldn't be the first who goes paralyzed by an amp putting out 400W. Pedal to the metal! Still a reliable monitor, Dude. I heard worse of Beringher Audio witch is in fact the last pedal we made. Covers 🆙️ What are you missing, the red knobs of Catwoman? I don't know. Namastè. 🗨😉🤟🌀🎨⚰🔇
I've found a Frontman 25R (10 inch Fender speaker, spring reverb) for 50 USD in great condition. I Cant find one to test, but it seams sounds pretty good in some videos on you tube. Have you ever tried one? I think the Behringer HA-40 could be an option too.
Honestly id recommend you stay away from both and just get a small practice amp like boss katana for 70$, it has quality sound, miles better than the cheapest comobos..
I have a 25r. It is repurposed/rehoused with a 12 inch rola and sounds pretty great. Using a separate speaker will help a ton
I have a Frontman 25R w/10-inch speaker and open-backed cabinet, and I think it actually sounds pretty decent for a cheap practice amp. The drive channel is not great, but sounds better than this one here!
@@luciansirbu1784 thanks.
@@jakollee Yes, I will only use the clean channel and pedals. The clean channel seams pretty good to me. Maybe a speaker upgrade (Celestion Ten 30 for $50).
I just don’t even understand the point of this thing. Fender makes the Champion 20, sells it for €150 euros or $130 dollars in the US and it actually sounds pretty decent for what it is.
Me neither.
1992 called. They want their practice amp back.
More like it was made from parts manufactured in 1992
:D
Approx $200 AUD here in Australia
And they are all riddled with cold solder joints and cheap input jacks. They ain't a gigging amp by any means. I've repaired too many of them.
I dont know, have music man 210hd 130 tube amp, and fender frontman 10g, I mean there is a difference ofcourse, but frontman 10g sound isnt that bad, it is ok instead....
i just started acoustic some months ago but decided to buy a cheap squire mustang, and i didnt have enough left for an amp so i got this cause i thought oh well its just for now it cant be that baaad, oh was i wrong 😭😂
I hear you
These small Fender Frontman amps leave me feeling blessed that my first amp was a 30 watt Crate solid state. Yes. Crate solid state. I get it when these come in a combo set, but I can't imagine buying this separately.
Hey Fender execs, Elmo hit on a genius idea. Make a cheap solid state practice amp with just a clean channel and market it as a "less is more" pedal platform. Call it the "Clean Cut Special". Bundle it with a one use money off voucher for your own line of pedals. In all seriousness this is just a continuation of a decades long trend of entry level solid state amps with usable clean and garbage drive channels. The market is still saturated with them, but as you have shown yourself companies like Joyo and Harley Benton can do better for the money so there no excuses!
those run about $100 usd here in the states. About the only good Frontman amp I've used, is my old 90's pr241. That one still kicks, and was only 20 bucks used, lol
Is there really any good Fender amps for rock and metal?
A fender prosonic is probably one of the best, but they only made them for 2 years. I have one, and its dirty channel is amazing.
@@jeffwombold9167 What about a clean amp if I rely on pedals? I currently have a Boss Katana which is great, but it has too many features I don't use.
I have a katana too, that I don't use all of its features a lot. The prosonic has a clean channel also. The problem with a prosonic is it only has one set of tone controls for both channels.
@@jeffwombold9167 That's unfortunate. I'd take a clean amp with just a master volume, and a 10 band EQ sliders any day tho.
The clean channel on the prosonic is great with pedals. It's the typical fender clean.
Well my Champion Fender due to age had a leaking clean pot it got very bad problem was to get a Fender USA was only 16 sterling but 60 sterling import price !!!! Outch so i took my Fender 20 Frontman and wired into the cab of the champion (with its lovely Fender speaker ) now i have the best of the Frontman going into a far better cab and speaker always solutions guys
Excellent guitar player !!!
Thanks!
Honestly, it didn't sound that bad for a practice amp. It's only 100USD!
Please put a new Celestion speaker in to it. The stock speaker is total cr.....