Screen time data for Batman Returns (1992) - Danny DeVito (The Penguin) - 38 min 57 sec (30.82%) - Michelle Pfeiffer (The Cat Woman) - 36 min 46 sec (29.09%) - Michael Keaton (The Batman) - 32 min 24 sec (25.64%) - Christopher Walken (Max Shreck) - 26 min 06 sec (20.65%) Bizarre movie.
@@misterkefir Is that both Bruce Wayne and Batman? I'd imagine it's way less for just Michael Keaton as the character the movie is named after, completely disregarding the Bruce Wayne scenes.
@@supercow376 Yes. Bruce Wayne IS The Batman. No but seriously. This stat does not differentiate between the two, afaik. If it did it would be even more nonsensically nuts.
Piggybacking on Thorin's take on cat woman, Toxoplasmosis, which people often contract from cat feces, is believed to cause elevated levels of sexual promiscuity and aggressive behaviour.
Kind of surprised you didn’t like it. First time I watched it back in the day I was thoroughly disappointed because I expected a classical action hero movie. This time I was prepared for the dystopian fantasy theater style and enjoyed it for what it was.
I rewatched this a couple of years ago (I'm 40 now) and that was the first time I rewatched it since I saw it in the cinema with my parents. I also had very fond memories of it but the rewatch was terrible. When Duncan said it was a good movie last episode I was very surprised. But now it make sense. He prolly had the same nostalgia for it I had before my rewatch 2-3 years ago.
the uk rating system is one of the reasons i improved my english considerably. My Mom was super strict on those age ratings on media. Since some of the titles that were 18+ in germany fell under the 15 rating in the UK i would order games and movies from there, convincing my mom it was fine for my age (15-16 at the time). All that UK import media i consumed because of that really helped me become much more fluent in english lol.
People have had a tendency to big up Returns and say '89 is a bit choppy, but I actually think the opposite. '89 is variable in terms of editing in a few places, but tells a solid Batman story with just enough of that Tim Burton flourish (but not too much). Returns, on the other hand, is full of over-indulgence on the part of the director, while paradoxically being both campier than it's predecessor and more grotesque. In it's own way, Returns pre-supposes the feeling of the Schumacher Batman films to come. I feel it doesn't hide it's production flaws as well, either. We keep seeing the same Gotham square over and over. The city in the first movie felt like a *city* despite being only a few street sets built on a soundstage, but in this movie it really does feel like a few street sets on a soundstage. There's no scope to any of it. Burton got so caught up with the little details, he forgot the big ones. In summary, don't get me wrong, Batman Returns isn't a bad movie. But I prefer '89. That is all. 😂
Aha glad Richard brought up how this film is hardly a Christmas movie - still glad to have seen it now and to have enjoyed this episode talking about how bad it was 🤣
50:37: "Just to put a pin in the sexuality thing as well [...] The ... *fucking weird* ... incel interactions with the Penguin and Michelle Pfeiffer's character where he's ' *Aahh* ' [...] He's literally like ' *Aahh* ' with his fish-breath, he's just eatin' fish, he's ' *Aahh* *Aahh* ' -- just like that. 'Yeah, Go on, go on -- would you, would you, would you. Touch it. Look at it.' Like, oh my god, it's like a Harvey Weinstein documentary, it's so fucking bad." Funny you should mention that, because Batman Returns is a really weird watch in light of the sexual misconduct allegations leveled at Toy Story director John Lassiter. Here's what I know for sure: according to the Vanity Fair article "The Class that Roared", both Lassiter and Tim Burton were part of the same academic class that graduated from the California Institute for the Arts in the '70s, and the 2009 documentary "Waking Sleeping Beauty" contains actual footage of the two of them at the Walt Disney Animation studio in the '80's. Given that, I've since reached the unprovable conclusion that there was some kind of incident between the two of them and that this inspired the characters of The Penguin (Lassiter) and Sid Phillips (Burton). I'd even go so far as to say that Max Shreck is a stand in for Jeffery Katsenburg and that "Shrek's Department Store" represents the Disney Animation studio at some point between 1978 and 1984.
It's funny cause all the reasons why you hate the movie is wy i love it. It took Batman into a dimension that he doesn't belong to and made it work. Burton took all the typical tropes of super heroes comic book, threw them in the trash and made a overly pathinated gothic movie and batman is barely in the film. For me it actually aged perfectly considering how many movies (even nolan movies and more recentrly "The Batman") try Sooo hard to give to a guy wearing a bat costume an element of seriousness and realism that completely takes me out of the watch in certain instances. The fact that it's so over the top is the reason why i love it. In terms of dialogues i don't agree, the level is pretty much the same that you would find in most Super hero movies anyway, even the good ones. Estetically it's by far the best batman, the art direction and the actors are great. I can see why if you love batman from the comic books you wouldn't like it and something like a nolan trilogy could be more of your thing, but to me this is the best batman movie by far and the most original one, wheter you love it or not.
You guys did not disapoint. Great show. I must say when I watched the movie i was perplexed because I was thinking troughout: How can they possebly think this is a good movie..
Batman Returns might be my favorite Batman movie. The perfect peanut butter & chocolate mix of Batman and Tim Burton (at his peak). For sure the horniest Batman movie made too.
Its interesting, I had only seen tidbits of this movie from randomly finidng it on TV many years ago and thinking what I saw was absolute dogshit. I would never have seen this one in its entirety without Fourplay, but I was pleasantly surprised. It is unhinged, but I had zero expectations for it, and with that starting point I was able to enjoy it.
I saw this film like 5 years ago for the first time and thought it was shit. After ya'll were hyping it up in a previous episode I sat down and watched it again to see if I would like it better (I didn't). Good to see I'm not just smoking crack by thinking this movie is ass lol
In preparation for this I didn't just rewatch Batman Returns but all 4 films in order. I always hated Batman Returns because it spooked me as a kid but now it's just a lame, perverted film. Unfortunately, I suspect you guys will be disappointed with 1989 Batman as well. Jack Nicholson hard carries it and the plot moreso resembles a real film than Returns but it's still very campy and cartoonish. I'll say rewatching Returns without first rewatching Batman didn't do you guys any favors; it would've softened the blow imo. I still have a soft spot for the Joel Schumacher films. Jim Carrey is hilarious, Tommy Lee Jones was way more fun than I remembered, and Arnold as Mr. Freeze is my guilty pleasure. Unfortunately Poison Ivy is really bad; could've been much better if they had gotten her powers right but she has to pull out a knife because she's nothing beyond poison lips and pheromones in the film. Batman 1989 is still easily the best of the four but it's maybe a 6 or at best a 7/10 film. Returns is still personally my least favourite despite Danny Devito's best efforts.
I was talking with someone about how people will masturbate their cats, and I was told that this is (or was) a common thing in South East Asia to do to crying babies. I wonder if Europeans were doing the same thing a couple hundred years ago. It's not really the sort of thing you could expect to be recorded in books.
That Thorin analogy is actually insane 😂
Yup 🏆
I hope one day they'll actually sit together and film a reaction someday. I feel like it'll be hilarious.
Screen time data for Batman Returns (1992)
- Danny DeVito (The Penguin) - 38 min 57 sec (30.82%)
- Michelle Pfeiffer (The Cat Woman) - 36 min 46 sec (29.09%)
- Michael Keaton (The Batman) - 32 min 24 sec (25.64%)
- Christopher Walken (Max Shreck) - 26 min 06 sec (20.65%)
Bizarre movie.
But even more, what is the screen time for just "Batman"? I think that's the main point they were getting at
@@supercow376 32 min 24 sec
@@misterkefir Is that both Bruce Wayne and Batman? I'd imagine it's way less for just Michael Keaton as the character the movie is named after, completely disregarding the Bruce Wayne scenes.
@@misterkefir That how much time you said Michael Keaton was on film. He plays Batman AND Bruce Wayne
@@supercow376 Yes. Bruce Wayne IS The Batman.
No but seriously. This stat does not differentiate between the two, afaik. If it did it would be even more nonsensically nuts.
that intro KEKW
I didn't think listening to this I would be accused of being a sub to a cat dominatrix. I love these guys.
This movie was worth being made just to have this episode
This was not a good watch, only redeeming quality was Danny Devito's over-acting
Piggybacking on Thorin's take on cat woman, Toxoplasmosis, which people often contract from cat feces, is believed to cause elevated levels of sexual promiscuity and aggressive behaviour.
Kind of surprised you didn’t like it. First time I watched it back in the day I was thoroughly disappointed because I expected a classical action hero movie. This time I was prepared for the dystopian fantasy theater style and enjoyed it for what it was.
I rewatched this a couple of years ago (I'm 40 now) and that was the first time I rewatched it since I saw it in the cinema with my parents. I also had very fond memories of it but the rewatch was terrible. When Duncan said it was a good movie last episode I was very surprised. But now it make sense. He prolly had the same nostalgia for it I had before my rewatch 2-3 years ago.
Monte's cliffnotes was such a fever dream man. What a movie
the uk rating system is one of the reasons i improved my english considerably. My Mom was super strict on those age ratings on media. Since some of the titles that were 18+ in germany fell under the 15 rating in the UK i would order games and movies from there, convincing my mom it was fine for my age (15-16 at the time). All that UK import media i consumed because of that really helped me become much more fluent in english lol.
People have had a tendency to big up Returns and say '89 is a bit choppy, but I actually think the opposite.
'89 is variable in terms of editing in a few places, but tells a solid Batman story with just enough of that Tim Burton flourish (but not too much).
Returns, on the other hand, is full of over-indulgence on the part of the director, while paradoxically being both campier than it's predecessor and more grotesque. In it's own way, Returns pre-supposes the feeling of the Schumacher Batman films to come.
I feel it doesn't hide it's production flaws as well, either. We keep seeing the same Gotham square over and over. The city in the first movie felt like a *city* despite being only a few street sets built on a soundstage, but in this movie it really does feel like a few street sets on a soundstage. There's no scope to any of it. Burton got so caught up with the little details, he forgot the big ones.
In summary, don't get me wrong, Batman Returns isn't a bad movie. But I prefer '89.
That is all. 😂
Aha glad Richard brought up how this film is hardly a Christmas movie - still glad to have seen it now and to have enjoyed this episode talking about how bad it was 🤣
How did the phrase ‘razor cake’ not make an appearance this episode!? Great stuff guys
Damn Thorin cooking.
50:37: "Just to put a pin in the sexuality thing as well [...] The ... *fucking weird* ... incel interactions with the Penguin and Michelle Pfeiffer's character where he's ' *Aahh* ' [...] He's literally like ' *Aahh* ' with his fish-breath, he's just eatin' fish, he's ' *Aahh* *Aahh* ' -- just like that. 'Yeah, Go on, go on -- would you, would you, would you. Touch it. Look at it.' Like, oh my god, it's like a Harvey Weinstein documentary, it's so fucking bad."
Funny you should mention that, because Batman Returns is a really weird watch in light of the sexual misconduct allegations leveled at Toy Story director John Lassiter.
Here's what I know for sure: according to the Vanity Fair article "The Class that Roared", both Lassiter and Tim Burton were part of the same academic class that graduated from the California Institute for the Arts in the '70s, and the 2009 documentary "Waking Sleeping Beauty" contains actual footage of the two of them at the Walt Disney Animation studio in the '80's.
Given that, I've since reached the unprovable conclusion that there was some kind of incident between the two of them and that this inspired the characters of The Penguin (Lassiter) and Sid Phillips (Burton). I'd even go so far as to say that Max Shreck is a stand in for Jeffery Katsenburg and that "Shrek's Department Store" represents the Disney Animation studio at some point between 1978 and 1984.
watched the movie with my gf so we could watch this, we struggled heavily to get through it 😂
I gotta give some love to the Tokyo Godfathers inspired artwork, it's killer
It's funny cause all the reasons why you hate the movie is wy i love it. It took Batman into a dimension that he doesn't belong to and made it work. Burton took all the typical tropes of super heroes comic book, threw them in the trash and made a overly pathinated gothic movie and batman is barely in the film. For me it actually aged perfectly considering how many movies (even nolan movies and more recentrly "The Batman") try Sooo hard to give to a guy wearing a bat costume an element of seriousness and realism that completely takes me out of the watch in certain instances. The fact that it's so over the top is the reason why i love it.
In terms of dialogues i don't agree, the level is pretty much the same that you would find in most Super hero movies anyway, even the good ones. Estetically it's by far the best batman, the art direction and the actors are great. I can see why if you love batman from the comic books you wouldn't like it and something like a nolan trilogy could be more of your thing, but to me this is the best batman movie by far and the most original one, wheter you love it or not.
dunno about rewatching this one haha
This series is soo much fun have a nice day everyone drink water oki?
I watched this movie and god it sucked, but I knew this episode was coming so I hope I can recoup some of the value.
You guys did not disapoint. Great show. I must say when I watched the movie i was perplexed because I was thinking troughout: How can they possebly think this is a good movie..
@@Cr3at1vem1nd Glad we could entertain you even if the movie didn't!
thorin cooked on this one, big time :o
I was going to say last week that I thought this movie was terrible, guess I turned out to be right lol
They're probably right, but stil love this era of Batman
Penguin's name is Oswald so Monte said he is Reverse Ozz Moses
Batman Returns might be my favorite Batman movie. The perfect peanut butter & chocolate mix of Batman and Tim Burton (at his peak). For sure the horniest Batman movie made too.
1:00:04 😂
I need to see you guys talk about book of Henry for 2 hours
🤣🤣🤣
Its interesting, I had only seen tidbits of this movie from randomly finidng it on TV many years ago and thinking what I saw was absolute dogshit. I would never have seen this one in its entirety without Fourplay, but I was pleasantly surprised. It is unhinged, but I had zero expectations for it, and with that starting point I was able to enjoy it.
I saw this film like 5 years ago for the first time and thought it was shit. After ya'll were hyping it up in a previous episode I sat down and watched it again to see if I would like it better (I didn't). Good to see I'm not just smoking crack by thinking this movie is ass lol
In preparation for this I didn't just rewatch Batman Returns but all 4 films in order. I always hated Batman Returns because it spooked me as a kid but now it's just a lame, perverted film. Unfortunately, I suspect you guys will be disappointed with 1989 Batman as well. Jack Nicholson hard carries it and the plot moreso resembles a real film than Returns but it's still very campy and cartoonish. I'll say rewatching Returns without first rewatching Batman didn't do you guys any favors; it would've softened the blow imo.
I still have a soft spot for the Joel Schumacher films. Jim Carrey is hilarious, Tommy Lee Jones was way more fun than I remembered, and Arnold as Mr. Freeze is my guilty pleasure. Unfortunately Poison Ivy is really bad; could've been much better if they had gotten her powers right but she has to pull out a knife because she's nothing beyond poison lips and pheromones in the film.
Batman 1989 is still easily the best of the four but it's maybe a 6 or at best a 7/10 film. Returns is still personally my least favourite despite Danny Devito's best efforts.
We are definitely scared to re-watch the first Batman again, now. Thanks for your research and perspective!
I am convinced that when Nicolas Cage as Superman didn't happen the timelines split and we are now on the cursed one.
The last time I watched this move was also when I was a teen, getting flashbacks from scenes you guys are describing has me in tears
I love all you guys together commenting on movies never stop doing this and please cover modern movies soon!
They obviously have to talk about good bad movies like the ROOM
Very nice
1:26:45 a few moments later also before this lewis 0 stars
I’m dying at the cat analogy 😂😂😂😂😂
to think, this episode could of been on diehard
Into was incredibly funny lol
Thorins lost his marbles this one
Thorin sounds like grandpa ranting about a stray cat.
Penguin, reverse osmosis Moses
addicted to these
The vampiric cat xD
Why is Die Hard not on the Christmas movie watch list?
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hahahaha this is great !
legendary content
The teaser at the beginning 🔥👑
What a great episode LOL
👍
Been waiting for this one
Absolutely love this movie so it should be fun seeing the trio bash on it!
I swear that music that plays at the beggining I heard at one of my adult movie dvd's when before menu they play trailer.
ive been never fan of batman movies.
Gotham portrayed penguin so much better
I was talking with someone about how people will masturbate their cats, and I was told that this is (or was) a common thing in South East Asia to do to crying babies. I wonder if Europeans were doing the same thing a couple hundred years ago. It's not really the sort of thing you could expect to be recorded in books.
I haven't seen the video yet.
Now I'm scared.
I thought the alcohol soaked blanket method was messed up.
As a cat-person convert, I 100% want my cat to dominate me when I come home from my career in law
Holy shit that cat monologue was so true
Thank you, Mr. President.
Very much looking forward to this, up the lads