Thinking about it more, High Templars would be great against Hydras, Archons not so much, but it would be a good way to attack multiple bases since the carriers are so slow.
Maybe without a ground army to screen, he thought HT would get picked off too easily. I dunno if storm would do significant FF to the interceptors either, you dont see it much. Though in the heat of it, I think he just hoped that if he pushed a little harder, he can break the zergs back. Setting aside a few minutes and all that money to tech to HT would slow his momentum.
Exactly what I thought. Storm would have been awesome as a defense and as a replacement for the reaver drops when he didn't have enough minerals to pay for interceptors AND scarabs. But with all the corsairs even some late DTs could have sniped some hatches...
Desperate hydra vs carrier&reaver fight! Surprisingly no storm today and just a single dark swarm! I could say almost good weather. Thanks for the cast!
15:27 That was a neat trick with the Reaver. He didn't have detection, so he targeted his own Probe and used the splash damage to kill the burrowed Lurker.
Damn close! What Maru tried seems quite viable, if only he'd went for HTs instead of reavers. Sure, the scarab hits were great, but in the end it got down to him running out of minerals and sitting on a buttload of gas. Pumping HTs is almost mineral free, and it would've let Maru... release all that gas.
Did you see 15:28 ? Maru is targeting his own probe with a reaver shot and moves the probe next to the lurker while the shot is in the air to kill the lurker with the spalsh. Never seen this done with a reaver, at least not to my memory. Not the best game I have ever seen, but definitely quite entertaining. Well deserved epic tag, simply because it was something different (and actually pretty close). Btw: you will find this Maru here: www.esportsearnings.com/players/35553-by-maru- He is rank 3400 in Korea. This must have been one of his best matches he ever played. THX for the relaxing evening entertaining FalPal, your cast was as usual these days simply well done. See you next time.
Damn Maru coulda steamrolled if he had just re-built that nexus and didn't long distance mine for the rest of the game, he had the lead but didn't fix his eco to sustain it. Remember kids, carriers are a rich man's unit.
Keep on uploading these replays my guy and i’ll just keep on clicking on them. I won’t blame you too once i lose my job because i preferred binge-watching starcraft instead of showing up to work.
Question: At about 19:00 you talk about parasite being used and a commander just destroying the unit themselves. Is there a reason that is preferable over selecting attack-move directly to the enemy base by itself?
One of these days it'd be really exciting to see you cast one of your own replays, with your commentary on what you were thinking moment by moment. Your fans might appreciate seeing their favoruite caster on the other side of things! Unless that's already been done?
Falcon, burrowed units don't take damage from the splash part of splash attack but still get hit by direct part. That's why burrowed units don't normally take damage under dark swarm
Spire asap to be built: 1. Corsair is such common that making spire early is viable. And if scourge is waiting on the first corsair at the stargate or scourge did kill the first corsair is tremendous big lead in terms of containment and intelligence. 2. Even they did not make stargate, muta is good to snipe shuttle, reaver, zealot, small-number of dragoon, and High-Templars. PS: I would suggest not zooming out unless there are multiple scenes to look on I see ASL observer did most of the screen being default-size unless big-fights coming on. (and graphic enhancement of remastered version just so good) Seeing these public replays on pro-gamers, you would give a score of 9 of 10 to their performance. But then whenever the tournaments come out, the score would just become 19 out of20.
Falcon how can viewers best kept track of which videos they have watched? Lnow any systems? Videos I watched on this phone show the duration bar all the way at the end, but it forgets them after awhile. .
man, when you go carrier, maybe a battery to recharge the shields when it gets super low. Those damn things are expensive$$$ So painful to watch the lack of resources for Maru. XD
Great game ) I like how Terror risked in the end by not attacking the warping Nexus to make Maru lose extra 400 minerals ) The risk was high as bunch of Corsairs was already coming. Protoss actually forgot that the best way to eliminate hydras is storm. Too bad Terror has retired (
I think burrow protect from most splash like tanks and even scarabs. What it was is sometimes when u burrow and scarab is enroute it catches some of the burrowing tings.
NEED HELP WITH A QUESTION, MY MEMORY ISN'T SERVING ME. If a zerg is at 40 of 40 supply, and Lurker aspect just finished researching, can you morph hydras into lurkers without making more overlords so that you go Over 40, or will it say "spawn more overlords"? @FalconPaladin thanks so much man!
Concerning the weird placement for the first hatchery, I think he just didn't wanna bother with the harassing probe blocking his hatchery placement so he just surpised him by going for the macro straight away. Didn't really slow down his mining time
There was a time in BW (in the 2010s or maybe later 2000s) when that became common on some maps as people were blocking natural hatcheries more often, as well as (although this also happened in SC2, maybe more so?) just putting it at the third base. The latter resulted in increasing cannon rushes at the third as well as the natural after a successful natural block in PvZ.
I think it would deserve the epic tag for the wideness of the Protoss tech tree used. But the play were also insane. It always surprises me when a Zerg uses less tech variety than the opponent.
Well deserving of the epic tag. I have often wondered about burrow and while it wasn't exactly game changing here, I think it vindicates me for thinking it has its uses.
epic sweet and clean, skillful with the disruption and smth smth and a kinda comeback or just a good sustain on the zerg, the protoss just didn't get his base play out there
Maru wasted his corsairs though. Why not hunt the overlords down like crazy. He had more than enough of them to do so, and Terror wouldn't have been able to produce hydras. Great game
Crazy game man. What a match! I think Maru lost it when Terror's lonely lurker spotted the carriers, then went mass hydras. I mean he was on 3 stargates, had he not been spotted, the reaver + carrier drops would've been devastating. Once he got spotted i guess he couldn't change the mindset and try to use whatever forces he had to expand instead of going all out against Terror's main. That's a costly mistake. Like the 2v2 you uploaded where they thought they could easily 2v1 the terran instead of setting up a blockade and simply expand and let chips fall where they may. Sometimes it's hard to shift from an attacking mindset to a conservative defensive one, and that makes people lose games.
Hey falcon can you try focusing on the early micro play of the units (like the zerglings attacking the probes) rather than talking about the building compositions? I feel like you can discuss that without having to look at the buildings for more than 5 seconds/ just observing the build queues so that we don't miss out on the action. Enjoying the broadcasts though thanks
Since I've found this channel, I've been watching ZvP and ZvT exclusively, and I believe zerg's current winrate is 2/9 overall and 1/5 against protoss. so.... just keep watching.
Great Game! Maru had it a few times. He got a bit sloppy with his Reaver Play. Also his Disruption Web wasn't that great. He should of shot the disruption web ahead of time and just blanket the entire area with webs, that way there's no real way hydras can attack and since each one can shoot 2 webs.. he would only need to use 4-5 corsairs to block it long enough to to take down the hatchery and leave. OVERALL FUN
I don't think Corsair/Carrier is all that bad against Zerg. Maru got outmined by 15,000 minerals and hung in for 35 minutes. Like Bill Clinton always said "It's the economy, stupid". Disruption Web was actually doing a great job protecting the carriers. I would've upgraded Corsair energy to be able to use more. Shield Batteries would have been great on this map. Maru could have split his carriers into 2 fleets and could've rotated them back to base to heal. I've been in low econ situations in the past where I'm using carriers. Batteries at 100 minerals are basically broken considering how powerful they are for carriers that can run from any battle, fly in a straight line to regain 150 shield hp and then go right back to fighting. It makes them invincible almost. Plus Zerg has no EMP?! Ya!
Oh you probably are sick of people pointing this out, but you did miss quite a bit of action on the right side of the map while you were focused on the left side. Pretty sure it was a significant drop.
Falcon Paladin ok, so I am 2 weeks late to point this out :) Maru dropped in probe count from 56 to 35! Falcon a bit later - seems that Maru is on low probe count for a while :)
it feels like an epic game to me!
bazarish
Yes definitely a great game.
15:30 did he just use his probe as a target to hit that lurker? Nice play.
Good catch. That’s awesome.
I was for protoss the whole game but he went hitting a wall of hydras again and again with not that big of a mass carier
@@tomepajmakoski9095 Protoss were my favorite. I usually lean towards wanting them to win haha.
I feel like Maru should have tech switched at some point into High Templar and Archons since he had so much gas. I love the attempt he did though.
Thinking about it more, High Templars would be great against Hydras, Archons not so much, but it would be a good way to attack multiple bases since the carriers are so slow.
Maybe without a ground army to screen, he thought HT would get picked off too easily. I dunno if storm would do significant FF to the interceptors either, you dont see it much. Though in the heat of it, I think he just hoped that if he pushed a little harder, he can break the zergs back. Setting aside a few minutes and all that money to tech to HT would slow his momentum.
Exactly what I thought. Storm would have been awesome as a defense and as a replacement for the reaver drops when he didn't have enough minerals to pay for interceptors AND scarabs. But with all the corsairs even some late DTs could have sniped some hatches...
Desperate hydra vs carrier&reaver fight! Surprisingly no storm today and just a single dark swarm! I could say almost good weather. Thanks for the cast!
Of course!
"They found us! I don't know how but they found us!" Nice Back To The Future reference!
15:27 That was a neat trick with the Reaver. He didn't have detection, so he targeted his own Probe and used the splash damage to kill the burrowed Lurker.
Damn close! What Maru tried seems quite viable, if only he'd went for HTs instead of reavers. Sure, the scarab hits were great, but in the end it got down to him running out of minerals and sitting on a buttload of gas. Pumping HTs is almost mineral free, and it would've let Maru... release all that gas.
Did you see 15:28 ? Maru is targeting his own probe with a reaver shot and moves the probe next to the lurker while the shot is in the air to kill the lurker with the spalsh. Never seen this done with a reaver, at least not to my memory.
Not the best game I have ever seen, but definitely quite entertaining. Well deserved epic tag, simply because it was something different (and actually pretty close).
Btw: you will find this Maru here: www.esportsearnings.com/players/35553-by-maru- He is rank 3400 in Korea. This must have been one of his best matches he ever played.
THX for the relaxing evening entertaining FalPal, your cast was as usual these days simply well done. See you next time.
Yup, fun move. :)
Damn Maru coulda steamrolled if he had just re-built that nexus and didn't long distance mine for the rest of the game, he had the lead but didn't fix his eco to sustain it.
Remember kids, carriers are a rich man's unit.
Always enjoy your Brood War cast. Thanks Falcon, a lot!
I enjoyed the burrow upgrade being researched! Especially against Protoss to set some vision.
Epic tag was more than necessary. It felt like a movie of last surviving protoss against the swarm. So cool
26:20
Wait... WHAT??? Corsairs totally ignored the scourge! Didn't even move!
They probably were on the "follow" command but... damn! Such a pain.
however the turbulence for 2020, thanks for putting out these casts of broodwar! :D
Keep on uploading these replays my guy and i’ll just keep on clicking on them. I won’t blame you too once i lose my job because i preferred binge-watching starcraft instead of showing up to work.
Question: At about 19:00 you talk about parasite being used and a commander just destroying the unit themselves. Is there a reason that is preferable over selecting attack-move directly to the enemy base by itself?
Definitely needs an epic tag, what a crazy match!
33:13 in....."They found us....I dunno how but, they found us. RUN FOR IT, Maruuuuuuuuuuu!!!" aaaahahahaha
27:49 Lol dark swarms?
One of these days it'd be really exciting to see you cast one of your own replays, with your commentary on what you were thinking moment by moment. Your fans might appreciate seeing their favoruite caster on the other side of things! Unless that's already been done?
2:32 "what the hatchery positioning is that" had me cackling
gradually ramped up to shouting at my screen again, wife just walked in to see what the hells goin on
Hahahaha you know it's a good match when that happens.
Falcon, burrowed units don't take damage from the splash part of splash attack but still get hit by direct part. That's why burrowed units don't normally take damage under dark swarm
17:06 What was that range?? Was that a glitch it exploded harmlessly though
Yeah, scarabs don't do damage if they explode too far away from the reaver. Crazy unit.
@@FalconPaladin I see
Amazing back and forth! I can only imagine the hydra count.
Bro, you should cast one of your own games for Broodwar. Lol that shit would be hilarious.
If those group of corsairs just saw those 3 overloads it would have been a Maru win.
Spire asap to be built:
1. Corsair is such common that making spire early is viable. And if scourge is waiting on the first corsair at the stargate or scourge did kill the first corsair is tremendous big lead in terms of containment and intelligence.
2. Even they did not make stargate, muta is good to snipe shuttle, reaver, zealot, small-number of dragoon, and High-Templars.
PS:
I would suggest not zooming out unless there are multiple scenes to look on
I see ASL observer did most of the screen being default-size unless big-fights coming on.
(and graphic enhancement of remastered version just so good)
Seeing these public replays on pro-gamers, you would give a score of 9 of 10 to their performance.
But then whenever the tournaments come out, the score would just become 19 out of20.
Falcon how can viewers best kept track of which videos they have watched? Lnow any systems? Videos I watched on this phone show the duration bar all the way at the end, but it forgets them after awhile. .
man, when you go carrier, maybe a battery to recharge the shields when it gets super low. Those damn things are expensive$$$ So painful to watch the lack of resources for Maru. XD
What a tight game. Conclustion: hidra good vs Carrier. I miss your interest in neutral critters like a year or two ago.
Great game ) I like how Terror risked in the end by not attacking the warping Nexus to make Maru lose extra 400 minerals ) The risk was high as bunch of Corsairs was already coming.
Protoss actually forgot that the best way to eliminate hydras is storm.
Too bad Terror has retired (
Falcon! 15:29 behind the mineral line he target fires the probe with the reaver to kill the lurker with splash damage with no observer present! Gosu~~
Nice spot, James! Thanks!
My gosh EPIC was right. GG. Well played on both sides!
The scarab tech was really very effective. Those drops are so devastating, if I wouldve been terror I wouldve tapped out ahaha
I think burrow protect from most splash like tanks and even scarabs. What it was is sometimes when u burrow and scarab is enroute it catches some of the burrowing tings.
9:55 Yay, not too shabby’s back!
It has returned!!!
Oh man that was good. I love the loads of macro hatches and use of burrow
Is this the same Terran player Maru in SC2? Why carrier in his match up ?
NEED HELP WITH A QUESTION, MY MEMORY ISN'T SERVING ME.
If a zerg is at 40 of 40 supply, and Lurker aspect just finished researching, can you morph hydras into lurkers without making more overlords so that you go Over 40, or will it say "spawn more overlords"? @FalconPaladin thanks so much man!
Gotta have available supply to start morphing lurkers.
Can't you go into the game/replay file folder and get the original date off the Properties screens.
No. The date is the day I downloaded the replay. It's not great.
Concerning the weird placement for the first hatchery, I think he just didn't wanna bother with the harassing probe blocking his hatchery placement so he just surpised him by going for the macro straight away. Didn't really slow down his mining time
There was a time in BW (in the 2010s or maybe later 2000s) when that became common on some maps as people were blocking natural hatcheries more often, as well as (although this also happened in SC2, maybe more so?) just putting it at the third base. The latter resulted in increasing cannon rushes at the third as well as the natural after a successful natural block in PvZ.
Where's mah EPIC tag?
Hmm ok. :)
I think it would deserve the epic tag for the wideness of the Protoss tech tree used. But the play were also insane. It always surprises me when a Zerg uses less tech variety than the opponent.
11:44 Pro players do that to avoid their workers to stick to close, and to avoid the scarab to explode before reaching the target
love the disrupt strats on corsairs
2:20 THERE IS SO MUCH GOOD STUFF!
Your outro music is dope where can I hear more of it?
It's Cee Beats, link in the description. :)
The supply block is indeed real.
Well deserving of the epic tag. I have often wondered about burrow and while it wasn't exactly game changing here, I think it vindicates me for thinking it has its uses.
Wow very well played
epic sweet and clean, skillful with the disruption and smth smth and a kinda comeback or just a good sustain on the zerg, the protoss just didn't get his base play out there
Maru wasted his corsairs though. Why not hunt the overlords down like crazy. He had more than enough of them to do so, and Terror wouldn't have been able to produce hydras. Great game
So where is this maru dude now ?
THis is why i love SC:BW more then SC2.. Drops are such a widely used tool, battles on multiple fronts are effective and Zerg uses Macro Hatches :P
Man, this was intense!
Holy crap. I feel like after the first 45 overlords I would make a few spore colonies and stick them in the corner behind them or something.
This is exactly how protoss and zerg would fight in real life. Protoss would lose out via war of attrition. Crazy match
those corsairs going safari mode on overlords, hardcore
Surprising finish, almost all match dominated by the Protoss, but without quiting, slowly but zergly, Terror managed to win that. Zerg FTW !
Finally DW! I wonder why is not seen in P v T, that would demolish tanks
Here's an attempt at using DW on tanks. :) th-cam.com/video/I-XyF1mnmQM/w-d-xo.html
@@FalconPaladin Meh... To bad it didn't work out.. Maybe it would to another player than FlaSh. But thx on the link!
I personally don't try to use carriers without having corsair and scout support for them, flying escort.
why is he not destroying those extractors?
Crazy game man. What a match! I think Maru lost it when Terror's lonely lurker spotted the carriers, then went mass hydras. I mean he was on 3 stargates, had he not been spotted, the reaver + carrier drops would've been devastating. Once he got spotted i guess he couldn't change the mindset and try to use whatever forces he had to expand instead of going all out against Terror's main. That's a costly mistake. Like the 2v2 you uploaded where they thought they could easily 2v1 the terran instead of setting up a blockade and simply expand and let chips fall where they may. Sometimes it's hard to shift from an attacking mindset to a conservative defensive one, and that makes people lose games.
That was awesome
Why don't you cast more mirror matches?
By far the least popular matchups on the channel.
@@FalconPaladin I feel like I'm missing out on part of the meta! I do enjoy your casting, was just curious
Carrier has arrived
Hey falcon can you try focusing on the early micro play of the units (like the zerglings attacking the probes) rather than talking about the building compositions?
I feel like you can discuss that without having to look at the buildings for more than 5 seconds/ just observing the build queues so that we don't miss out on the action.
Enjoying the broadcasts though thanks
lol scourge trying to chase down that corsair and murder it xD
This would actually work with stop-hold micro.
Are there any games where protoss win zerg??
I sure do! Here's a recent one!
Since I've found this channel, I've been watching ZvP and ZvT exclusively, and I believe zerg's current winrate is 2/9 overall and 1/5 against protoss. so.... just keep watching.
Nice!!! thanks for this video falcon
You're welcome. :)
Is this Maru the Korean SC2 player Maru in Jin Air
Nope, different Korean.
2 Zerglings MVP, those probe kills
Weeeeell, those were 3 probe kills and some scouting for 6 lings which is decent for zerg but not super significant
Like button fa sho. Thanks Falcon
No problem!
Im surprised they dont use burrow for spying/ sentry duty more often. Its a pretty cheap upgrade, and the potential warning can have big payoff.
Agreed!
Great Game! Maru had it a few times. He got a bit sloppy with his Reaver Play. Also his Disruption Web wasn't that great. He should of shot the disruption web ahead of time and just blanket the entire area with webs, that way there's no real way hydras can attack and since each one can shoot 2 webs.. he would only need to use 4-5 corsairs to block it long enough to to take down the hatchery and leave. OVERALL FUN
that's a good point, maru was a bit stingy with the webs
I don't think Corsair/Carrier is all that bad against Zerg. Maru got outmined by 15,000 minerals and hung in for 35 minutes. Like Bill Clinton always said "It's the economy, stupid". Disruption Web was actually doing a great job protecting the carriers. I would've upgraded Corsair energy to be able to use more. Shield Batteries would have been great on this map. Maru could have split his carriers into 2 fleets and could've rotated them back to base to heal. I've been in low econ situations in the past where I'm using carriers. Batteries at 100 minerals are basically broken considering how powerful they are for carriers that can run from any battle, fly in a straight line to regain 150 shield hp and then go right back to fighting. It makes them invincible almost. Plus Zerg has no EMP?! Ya!
Cool Epic match!
WOW what a match
The first hatch is not in position because the probe.
awesome game!! I thought terror was going to lose
Oh you probably are sick of people pointing this out, but you did miss quite a bit of action on the right side of the map while you were focused on the left side. Pretty sure it was a significant drop.
Yeah, I noticed later. :(
Falcon Paladin ok, so I am 2 weeks late to point this out :) Maru dropped in probe count from 56 to 35! Falcon a bit later - seems that Maru is on low probe count for a while :)
wow.. how did terror keep pumping out hydras with no vespene geyser income
Gave you a thumbs up
not enough defence of income for protoss here) he had to put cannons mixed with temllars and rivers.
Disruption Web + Carriers vs Zerg = insta click
That was good play
damn this toss is good
Hooch is crazy!
I'm a simple man, I see carriers I hit like
Great game. Protoss player didn't use his early game advantage and become too proud to make zealots on late game. :)
So many Hatcheries getting massacred. Somehow he still won, probably due to the Corsairs not really helping all that much.
His central hatchery was blocked
BIG like !!! 👍👍👍
Epic carrier v zhydra match
It feel like protos played first time for protos did not get quick enough that this will be crystal hard game. Reaver by it self is high on crystal.
It feels like Maru could have done better if he used DW more generously. It requires some crazy micro though.
WHY CAN'T ZERG PLAYERS JUST BUILD SPORE COLONIES UNDER THEIR OVERLORDS........ GAHHHHHHHHHHH THE AGONY
just two words: disruption web!
I just feel like I had prolonged, rough sex watching this. I need a cigarette, and I don’t even smoke.