My mistake. Thank you! I'll pin this so other people know! 👍 *Also* - I kept referring to the Pallas as a "new model", but apparently it's been around since 2015! Sorry about that!
What killed the review for me was no mention of the crappy action of the Spartan. Poorly tuned detent. Deploys like a clammy limp handshake. You can even see it in the video. The socom fires like a rocket. On a 300 dollar knife, this is unacceptable.
You're wrong. The Pallas deploys very well, and is quite smooth. I didn't have an issue with it at all, and I think you can see THAT in the video. What would be the point in pretending the action of the Pallas is better than it actually is? I think the more logical answer is, YOU don't like how the action is on YOUR Pallas.
Man I wish the Socom was still made in 7075 Al. One thing you didn't mention for durability (and maybe even value w/ the engineering) is that the Socom has steel races for the bearings to wear against, thus theoretically increasing the life of the aluminum handles. The machining of the Socom impresses me more and its design draws to me.
Great video BUT I’m sorry the socom is an aesthetic master piece and Icon. Both great knives but to give the same score for aesthetics is just sacrilegious to the knife GODs.
I had a Socom. Excellent fit & finish & a premium blade steel. Having a glass breaker was nice, but I never ever needed it. I did not like the position of the pocket clip or the tip down carry. It was a very good knife, but I didn't like the textured grit on the handle. I didn't care for their warranty. The Spartan Pallas that I have, had a perfect bevel, nothing uneven about it. The fit & finish is also excellent. I have to give it to the Socom, it just has a sound to it when it opens up that sounds more solid. I am surprised at how much I like the locking mechanism on the Pallas. Very simple & easy to use. Never have to worry about your fingers getting cut. The action on it is really smooth. Opening with the flipper or the thumb studs is nicer IMO, than pretty much ever other knife I have owned. Spartans customer service has exceeded my expectations ever time. Even after I butchered up my Enyo fixed blades bevel terribly trying out a new sharpener, their guy Lannie fixed it up & had the knife back to me very quickly. Seriously, if you haven't given Spartan Blades any consideration before, do so. BTW, I really appreciate you doing this video. It was great! Only thing I think people would like to see added to your list, how is the knife when pulling it out of your jeans pocket? Is the pocket clip really tight or does it pull out easily or too easily? I got rid of my Microtech Combat Troodon because it was a mother to get out! One of the tightest pocket clips ever. The pocket clip on my Microtech Ultratech has a different shape to it & was much easier to put in & pull out of my pocket. Just a thought. I've had no issues with the Pallas in that catagory. I'm really floored by that knife. I just need to see how well the all black finish will hold up. Thanks again!
I like that Spartan so much more but I wasn't a big fan of the socom anyways. I think the Spartans a great alternative and to me it's the better of the two. Thanks for the video.
Got both, like both. SOCOM is auto. Pallas is addictive to flip and smooth. I prefer manual folders but the SOCOM is great. Pallas is S45VN. Both are fine to sharpen. For me, Pallas is hard working knife. SOCOM is my fantasy tacticool auto with blue handles and two tone blade that won’t see much work. I would use a LUDT hard.
Enjoyed the discussion. I think both of these knives would be users for me so Palles is a win for me because of tip up carry and thinner in the pocket.
This was a well balanced video, but I disagree with the decision in at least 2 of the categories. The Durability category should go to the Socom due to its oversized pivot and thumb studs that act as exterior stop pins. That construction should provide a lot more side to side stability. I also disagree with the Disassembly category since the Pallas has a button lock. I think the Socom Elite is overall in a different category than the Pallas, and is more similar to a Hinderer or a Strider.
strider? dude, i've seen older striders that were built like $50 knives (the newer models seem to be better), look nick shabazz' review of that strider and you will agree. also: i've had a 3" xm-18 (the version with the liner lock & g-10 on both sides) and the blade was totally off when it was running on bearings. pb solved the problem but that shouldn't happen on a $400 knife in the first place! i had a spartan harsey and now i have a pallas, and both are built extremely well!
I know this is a super old video but if you remade it with the s45vn pallas and the socom bravo microtech i wonder if results would be the same. $350 for the bravo right now $250 for Pallas on sale now.
Really good review. I have both the Socom manual and Pallas and it’s really a tie for me. I really like both equally for different reasons. Both are great knives made by great USA companies who back their products 100%. I purchased both of mine directly from Microtech and Spartan Blades and both were amazing to deal with.
Great video! These are a lot more alike than I thought. I also agree that they are overpriced, but I do really love my Socom and, frankly, was able to get mine for $185 on the secondary market so the price was good for me.
Good video !! You are right about the pricepoint.Both real nice knives , for me it's the Palles.Like the multiple deployment options and the S35VN (easy of sharpening).
I’m not sure why you’re calling the Pallas a new design. I bought mine used maybe 4 years ago. And unless Sparton has dropped it, the Pallas also comes in a very nice tanto.
I just received a manual Socom and after filming and posting the unboxing, I sliced my finger on the closed knife. Apparently the knife doesn't recess all the way down and hits the internal blade stop too soon. I messaged Microtech and they requested I pay to have it shipped to them and in 2 months they will get it back to me! WTF???? I haven't even used the knife yet and now I have to pay additional money to make it safe, assuming I don't mind waiting for months. This company reputation of poor customer service and quality control is apparently spot on.
Spartan Blades warranty: I emailed them about jiggle in the lock of a new cheaper pocket knife (Astor *great btw*) and they simply sent me a brand new unit and a padded return envelope with paid for 3 day shipping. I have 3 Socoms, 1 is flawless, 2 got dropped and their locks immediately developed jiggle... Gotta use the warranty on these. I started knives by collecting a Socom Elite, now I have a Spartan Pallas, Difensa, and my baby the Shinto (just concerning the bleeding point of price and quality without going in Chris Reeves)--which I shan't purchase. I love microtech and I have come to be a complete supporter of Spartan Blades. Either one is legit. I've seen more personal consistency from SB. Work hard, blow cash on super steel AYYYAYYYYYYYYY!
I totally understand your reasoning dude. Myself and many others who thought the same was were very surprised how well it carries and works with the clip. That being said,I have both knives and absolutely love them both. If you ever have the chance on a good deal on the socom,don't overlook it for the clip.
Ive always loved the look of the Socom Elite and so immediately chose it over that Pallas, but by the end of the video i found myself impressed with the Pallas. I love these types of videos, thanks MC
I like the overall shape of, and love the blade shape of the Pallas, but I want the SOCOM. Just got a SOCOM Bravo (my second Microtech after a Scarab Executive) and my next knife will likely be a SOCOM Elite either the 160-1T or 160-10.
@@randythompson560 I got the SOCOM Bravo and love it but it came pretty dull. Still wanna send it off for a proper mirror edge. I never could find the Elite in stock! Still want one when I am willing to spend that kind of money on a knife again and find one. I go through phases. I'll be back to obsessing over knives soon.
Thanks I will definitely check those out but not much of a starter knife type guy LOL I like to go straight for the good stuff LOL. I’ve learned that lesson along time ago to go straight for the big boy because you’re going to end up getting it anyway
The socom elite is a tactical masterpiece built from the ground up to ride with military and police. The more you carry it the more attention to detail you see surrounding it’s from and function. You will see the socom elite riding in and around the LBE of those who serve you won’t see the Pallas.
Yes, except that it looks like the steel is 154cm on that blade. Good steel, but at that price, I'd prefer the CPM154. I've never actually handled it honestly. I'm a big fan of Hogue though.
Microtech really missed an opportunity to update the design on the socom instead of just re-releasing it. They could have rounded off the pommel, added tip up carry, and slimmed up the bolster while keeping the overall lines. Seems either lazy or stuck inside the box. All that said, it’s love at first sight for the socom.
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The pallas actually does come in a tanto as well
My mistake. Thank you! I'll pin this so other people know! 👍
*Also* - I kept referring to the Pallas as a "new model", but apparently it's been around since 2015! Sorry about that!
True, but it doesn't have serrated options like the Socom does.
What killed the review for me was no mention of the crappy action of the Spartan. Poorly tuned detent. Deploys like a clammy limp handshake. You can even see it in the video. The socom fires like a rocket. On a 300 dollar knife, this is unacceptable.
You're wrong. The Pallas deploys very well, and is quite smooth. I didn't have an issue with it at all, and I think you can see THAT in the video. What would be the point in pretending the action of the Pallas is better than it actually is? I think the more logical answer is, YOU don't like how the action is on YOUR Pallas.
@@metal_complex more accurately, I don't like the action on ANY pallas I have handled. ;)
Man I wish the Socom was still made in 7075 Al. One thing you didn't mention for durability (and maybe even value w/ the engineering) is that the Socom has steel races for the bearings to wear against, thus theoretically increasing the life of the aluminum handles. The machining of the Socom impresses me more and its design draws to me.
Microtech realized that 7075 wasn’t necessary for the handles. 6061 is just fine for knife handles.
That's totally fair, sometimes it's just neat to have something that's engineered and constructed way beyond what we need :)
Great video BUT I’m sorry the socom is an aesthetic master piece and Icon. Both great knives but to give the same score for aesthetics is just sacrilegious to the knife GODs.
I had a Socom. Excellent fit & finish & a premium blade steel. Having a glass breaker was nice, but I never ever needed it. I did not like the position of the pocket clip or the tip down carry. It was a very good knife, but I didn't like the textured grit on the handle. I didn't care for their warranty. The Spartan Pallas that I have, had a perfect bevel, nothing uneven about it. The fit & finish is also excellent. I have to give it to the Socom, it just has a sound to it when it opens up that sounds more solid. I am surprised at how much I like the locking mechanism on the Pallas. Very simple & easy to use. Never have to worry about your fingers getting cut. The action on it is really smooth. Opening with the flipper or the thumb studs is nicer IMO, than pretty much ever other knife I have owned. Spartans customer service has exceeded my expectations ever time. Even after I butchered up my Enyo fixed blades bevel terribly trying out a new sharpener, their guy Lannie fixed it up & had the knife back to me very quickly. Seriously, if you haven't given Spartan Blades any consideration before, do so. BTW, I really appreciate you doing this video. It was great! Only thing I think people would like to see added to your list, how is the knife when pulling it out of your jeans pocket? Is the pocket clip really tight or does it pull out easily or too easily? I got rid of my Microtech Combat Troodon because it was a mother to get out! One of the tightest pocket clips ever. The pocket clip on my Microtech Ultratech has a different shape to it & was much easier to put in & pull out of my pocket. Just a thought. I've had no issues with the Pallas in that catagory. I'm really floored by that knife. I just need to see how well the all black finish will hold up. Thanks again!
I like that Spartan so much more but I wasn't a big fan of the socom anyways. I think the Spartans a great alternative and to me it's the better of the two. Thanks for the video.
Love at first sight for the SOCOM ever since I saw it in a magazine long , long ago.
Pro advice, if you want better balance, avoid the tanto (she is a beefer)
Spartan really wants you to know they use S35VN dont they?
I have the black PVD coated blade & thankfully, you don't see the lettering very much.
Got both, like both. SOCOM is auto. Pallas is addictive to flip and smooth. I prefer manual folders but the SOCOM is great. Pallas is S45VN. Both are fine to sharpen. For me, Pallas is hard working knife. SOCOM is my fantasy tacticool auto with blue handles and two tone blade that won’t see much work. I would use a LUDT hard.
Enjoyed the discussion. I think both of these knives would be users for me so Palles is a win for me because of tip up carry and thinner in the pocket.
Prefer knife steel that keeps edge retention longer than being easy to sharpen. Then using diamond Sharpener takes care of that also.
This was a well balanced video, but I disagree with the decision in at least 2 of the categories. The Durability category should go to the Socom due to its oversized pivot and thumb studs that act as exterior stop pins. That construction should provide a lot more side to side stability. I also disagree with the Disassembly category since the Pallas has a button lock. I think the Socom Elite is overall in a different category than the Pallas, and is more similar to a Hinderer or a Strider.
strider? dude, i've seen older striders that were built like $50 knives (the newer models seem to be better), look nick shabazz' review of that strider and you will agree. also: i've had a 3" xm-18 (the version with the liner lock & g-10 on both sides) and the blade was totally off when it was running on bearings. pb solved the problem but that shouldn't happen on a $400 knife in the first place! i had a spartan harsey and now i have a pallas, and both are built extremely well!
I know this is a super old video but if you remade it with the s45vn pallas and the socom bravo microtech i wonder if results would be the same.
$350 for the bravo right now
$250 for Pallas on sale now.
Great video. Im always drawn to the Solcom.
Cual solcom baboso
Really good review. I have both the Socom manual and Pallas and it’s really a tie for me. I really like both equally for different reasons. Both are great knives made by great USA companies who back their products 100%. I purchased both of mine directly from Microtech and Spartan Blades and both were amazing to deal with.
I’m trying to decide between both, any advice
@@Mattyice5950 If I was gonna buy just one, I'd get the Pallas.
Great review brotha just picked me up a socom elite clip point!
Great video! These are a lot more alike than I thought. I also agree that they are overpriced, but I do really love my Socom and, frankly, was able to get mine for $185 on the secondary market so the price was good for me.
Good video !! You are right about the pricepoint.Both real nice knives , for me it's the Palles.Like the multiple deployment options and the S35VN (easy of sharpening).
I’m not sure why you’re calling the Pallas a new design. I bought mine used maybe 4 years ago. And unless Sparton has dropped it, the Pallas also comes in a very nice tanto.
four whole years?
I just received a manual Socom and after filming and posting the unboxing, I sliced my finger on the closed knife. Apparently the knife doesn't recess all the way down and hits the internal blade stop too soon. I messaged Microtech and they requested I pay to have it shipped to them and in 2 months they will get it back to me! WTF???? I haven't even used the knife yet and now I have to pay additional money to make it safe, assuming I don't mind waiting for months. This company reputation of poor customer service and quality control is apparently spot on.
Spartan Blades warranty: I emailed them about jiggle in the lock of a new cheaper pocket knife (Astor *great btw*) and they simply sent me a brand new unit and a padded return envelope with paid for 3 day shipping. I have 3 Socoms, 1 is flawless, 2 got dropped and their locks immediately developed jiggle... Gotta use the warranty on these. I started knives by collecting a Socom Elite, now I have a Spartan Pallas, Difensa, and my baby the Shinto (just concerning the bleeding point of price and quality without going in Chris Reeves)--which I shan't purchase. I love microtech and I have come to be a complete supporter of Spartan Blades. Either one is legit. I've seen more personal consistency from SB. Work hard, blow cash on super steel AYYYAYYYYYYYYY!
I can’t stand tip down carry. I know it doesn’t matter on a non-flipper, but the Pallas would be my choice for that reason alone
I totally understand your reasoning dude. Myself and many others who thought the same was were very surprised how well it carries and works with the clip. That being said,I have both knives and absolutely love them both. If you ever have the chance on a good deal on the socom,don't overlook it for the clip.
If WE Knives does a version of the AD10..... it’ll be the last knife I buy. (Yea right)
Would you still recommend the pallas?
The tip down clip design on the socom is a HUUUUUGE design flaw. Thank God there are people out there than will flip the clip for you!
Ive always loved the look of the Socom Elite and so immediately chose it over that Pallas, but by the end of the video i found myself impressed with the Pallas. I love these types of videos, thanks MC
Great video! Where did you hear that the socoms are being make in 6061 aluminum now?
Microtech's website and retail sites now too
Heya MC just curious, do you still have the SHF all black with the spartan helmet on the scales
I like the overall shape of, and love the blade shape of the Pallas, but I want the SOCOM. Just got a SOCOM Bravo (my second Microtech after a Scarab Executive) and my next knife will likely be a SOCOM Elite either the 160-1T or 160-10.
This was forever ago but did you end up with both the bravo and elite? Which one did you like better?
@@randythompson560 I got the SOCOM Bravo and love it but it came pretty dull. Still wanna send it off for a proper mirror edge. I never could find the Elite in stock! Still want one when I am willing to spend that kind of money on a knife again and find one. I go through phases. I'll be back to obsessing over knives soon.
@@MattH-wg7ou lmfao I completely understand as I am currently in my knife phase. Its normally watches but they switch occasionally
@@randythompson560 yep! Watches, guns, knives, cars/car stuff, binoculars/telescopes/optics, guitars...etc!
How about badass factor that’s all that counts when you hold the microtech people know you mean business
I'll take the socom elite.
I remember when I first started watching you, yesterday...
Lol 👍
i thought socom handle was 7075?
Some are, some aren't. Seems like early 2018 models were 7075. At some point, they changed to standard 6061.
I don’t have any Microtech really need to get one. Any suggestions?
The LUDT is a great side opening auto starter, and the Ultratech is a great OTF starter!
Thanks I will definitely check those out but not much of a starter knife type guy LOL I like to go straight for the good stuff LOL. I’ve learned that lesson along time ago to go straight for the big boy because you’re going to end up getting it anyway
Love your videos bud very very informational
Socom, if you don’t you will anyway
The socom elite is a tactical masterpiece built from the ground up to ride with military and police. The more you carry it the more attention to detail you see surrounding it’s from and function. You will see the socom elite riding in and around the LBE of those who serve you won’t see the Pallas.
pallas has also a tanto:
www.g-gear.com/de/pallas-tanto.html
good review btw :)
I just got both of them.
The Spartan has been upgraded to S45VN.
I've got to have that Spartan.
Love me a button lock.
Would u put the hogue 4inch ex02 in the same category as these two?
Yes, except that it looks like the steel is 154cm on that blade. Good steel, but at that price, I'd prefer the CPM154. I've never actually handled it honestly. I'm a big fan of Hogue though.
you know the microtech has a stop pin INSIDE the handle too
Yep, but it's only used in the closed position. No contact on lock out.
No blade contact in the locked position.
Microtech really missed an opportunity to update the design on the socom instead of just re-releasing it. They could have rounded off the pommel, added tip up carry, and slimmed up the bolster while keeping the overall lines. Seems either lazy or stuck inside the box. All that said, it’s love at first sight for the socom.
Yes but that would go against what the socom is all about. There is a reason it is designed the way it is.
I agree. I think they are both a bit overpriced.
M390 from microtech is rumored to be extremely soft
It's target HRC is apparently 57-59. I would say 59 is ok. Below that is softer than what most people expect.
@@metal_complex have you seen Nero's video on this? They had it tested and it was very low rating
@@JuanCheeto No, what did it test at?
@@metal_complex hrc
@@JuanCheeto no I mean what level of hardness? 56? 57? 58?
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Great video 👍
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