The behavior you describe is predictable, understandable and easy to cope with. It’s not a bug. But there is another problem I frequently had with the V1F trim that is different than this behavior. Often the setting of the trim wheel would change from somewhere around the mid point to zero (full nose down) without me touching the wheel at all. Putting the yoke in training mode while flying I could see it happen on the V1F lcd screen. This was not a mismatch between the yoke and sim soft value like the one you skillfully describe. This was completely the fault of the yoke producing a false input on its own. Watching it happen on the training mode screen confirms that. Weeks of back and forth with Turtle Beach support and various help forums confirmed it. It was not isolated to my unit. The problem was never solved to my knowledge. The work around for me was to not use the analog trim wheel at all and assign digital trim up/down to a couple of other buttons on the yoke. Sad that I can’t use that cool trim wheel but it just was not reliable. TB reproduced my problem and acknowledged it as a bug on their end. All the analog axises have the behavior you describe especially with the autopilot making changes that get out of sync with the position of the physical control. That’s just a behavior we have to understand and accept.
@@Huddison To follow up. I just found out that TB released a firmware update 1.5.0 on July 29, 2024 that specifically addresses the bug that I have been reporting since March 2023. From the TB support page: "• Fixed bug with trim axis data jumping when used with VelocityOne Rudder connected on Xbox consoles.". I'm on Xbox and first encountered the problem only after I added the rudders. To be clear Huddison- this is a different issue than the out of sync behavior you described so well. I don't think the out of sync situation is a bug at all. It's just built into the design. Same thing happens with all the other controls like the initial physical setting of my throttle or flaps not matching the initial setting the sim assumes. And the AP can move the throttle (just like the trim) such that it no longer matches my V1F levers when I turn off the AP. We just have to understand and adapt to that. Thanks for all your work making the excellent videos. I appreciate it.
Yes, you should be checking trim but surely Huddison's point is that you can visually check it on the screen but that if you don't actually touch the wheel it will be showing incorrectly. I found this extremely helpful and now have two pieces of tape on the physical trim wheel showing the neutral position on the axis. Thanks Hudison
I use the setting where you see your trim settings, and other info on the screen. When I'm ready for takeoff, I look outside plane for the default trim setting and, for example, it's plus 5, I then set my trim to that. Take off is fine now but when landing and disconnecting autopilot, I must leave the trim setting alone and deal with whatever setting it's at or the plane might spike up. I land safely but it's not ideal. This is the one fault of the V1F that takes away from an otherwise excellent product. My V1Y also had it's name changed to gamepad like yours awhile back on one of the sim updates. Thanks for explaining it and hopefully this will be better with flight sim 2024.
Thanks for sharing your own experiences. Keep in mind: it's the Sim that's not playing along correctly with the V1 Yoke (and other analogue trim wheels).
Yep. In the Vision Jet I have to trim down during initial climb before engaging the AP. Otherwise, when on short final and disengaging the AP, the Vision Jet will nose up suddenly, putting me above the glide path. Though I usually am able to regain control right away, this behavior typically forces me to land longer than intended. Not a major problem if the runway is long enough. Glad I don’t fly airplanes for a living. LOL I’ll have to look for the FW update for the yoke.
@@Huddison Same thing happens with the throttle on planes that have auto throttle engaged. When you turn off AT, it likely won't match the physical setting of your TB throttle lever. You just have to anticipate that and adapt the same as the analog trim wheel getting out of sync. It is inherent to the MSFS design.
Update: I find the AP trims pitch at about 2° on final with airspeed at 100-110 kts. At 90 kts., the AP pitch trim is usually at 3°. I make sure I’ve trimmed down to 2°-3° on a 5° climb gradient during initial climb, then I engage the AP. After that I do the climb checklist and go to MCT on the throttle before engaging AT. I usually disengage AT as I start final approach. AT has the power at a lower percentage than the lever setting at MCT. I move the lever to match the power percentage before disengaging AT. These tricks help me make a smoother transition from full AP to manual control. Fewer surprises. Such is simming.
Thanx for this Huddison. All becomes much clearer now. I know I haven't personally been resetting so explains all my problems. Wonder if it could be coded correctly in MSFS 2024, or is it simply too late now.
A encoder wheel trim wheel digitally pushes a trim button continuously on and off as you turn the wheel. And this problem does not happen. For instance that's the way the Saitek autopilot panel trim wheel works when driven by Axis and Ohs. When you move the wheel, trim moves very slowly. Is easy to set exactly. If you need to trim fast, then move the wheel fast and the trimming effect will instantly shifts gears and change the trim even faster than you are turning the wheel. And so you have very slow or very fast trim: a two speed trim wheel. For Axis and Ohs to take command of the trim wheel, just check one box called "Saitec Panels Enabled" in the AaO menu. No setup or adjusting is required. And when you start a new flight, the old trim setting is not remembered. Because the Saitek trim wheel on their AP panel is not an axis.
I typically edge towards my Logitech Multi Panel trim wheel (which works in a similar way I believe); whilst using the rockers on my XPC yoke for more aggressive trim.
The easiest way to think of this is, you have a hardware trim wheel and a software trim wheel. You have to make sure they are synchronized by setting the hardware trim wheel to the neutral position before starting the flight.
That trim wheel is almost useless on FS2024. Setting trim to digital buttons adjust the trim 0.2 - 0.25 % per click. This miserable trim wheel adjusts 1 % at a time. So it is actually 400-500% less precise than a button adjusment.
Hi Huddison great video, have you ever used the velocity one flight yoke on the Fenix A320? If so did you have a problem setting up the reverse thrust with the throttle levers as the only way i can get them to activate reverse thrust is by putting the levers to the reverse detent then back to idle but i have to do that twice for the reverse ro activate, any help would be appreciated
The problem still exists when you use auto pilot. It will re trim the plane and now your analog trim wheel won't be synchronized with the one in the sim
I've had this problem and fixed it with this in my mental checklist. What I've been wondering, would it work if I put some marker on trim wheel middle and set it middle while in menu?
I did just that, marking "center trim" on my V1 Flight with a piece of red tape. I did this by going to the controller settings, bringing up the trim settings and adjusting to "center" (solid bar in left half, empty bar in right). Make sure to save and exit... Seems to help but I've also gotten in the habit of simply rotating up/down/return to center while checking my flight controls before take-off. The only issue is, if, for some reason while flying, and you don't have an actual trim guage in the plane, if you dial in a lot of trim, you may go past that mid-mark several times and lose track of where the mid-point is...🤔
Hi, @Huddison I am thinking of getting the V1 in the new year for use on my pc. Many thanks for this video guide. Question: Has this issue now been fixed in fs2024?
I must try that firmware update! I’ve been doing this since I bought it as part of my pre-flight checks. What’s been happening recently though which is sometimes impossible to recover from is that my trim will suddenly jump to +/- 100% trim. Seems to be ever since the U.K. and Ireland update. 😢
Don't have that problem cause I ever could get the compete TURTLE SYSTEM to work si it sits in the original boxes along with the Logitec rudder peddles
I assume Asobo probably patrol's your excellent YT channel but if not Im hoping youve not "dilly dalleyed" and have already opened up comments in the official MFS page so they're aware of this issue!?
@@Huddison wow, must be a real dilly of an issue if theyve not fixed it. Well, I mentioned your video again on one of their MFS reels. Get all your members to start messaging the same comment. That would be funny.
I sold my V1 ages ago because of this and replaced it with a honeycomb, a real shame because I liked the V1 otherwise. Its a travesty that they never solved this in four years, can only hope they are putting as much effort into issues like this as they are into stuff like first person walking...........
It's down to how MSFS translates Analogue Trim wheels; I remember reading a forum post on a similar controller. You can't go wrong with a Honeycomb Yoke though ;)
@@brin57err no, I'm not stupid. I sold it because it used to smash me into the ground after I disconnected autopilot. This was long before anyone had figured out the fixes for it
Nothing broken here. Setting your trim before takeoff is standard procedure. You wouldn’t jump in a plane someone else just flew, and just go with whatever they had set!
You should be setting/checking your trim during your pre takeoff checklist. 😂 Come on people! Call yourself a simmer ? Lol. Thanks for the video Mr. H
😊
Absolutely. You should be checking your trim😊
I do every time, especially for that fault.
Yep, that's a checklist item
@@alancookuk8154it’s not even a fault
The behavior you describe is predictable, understandable and easy to cope with. It’s not a bug.
But there is another problem I frequently had with the V1F trim that is different than this behavior. Often the setting of the trim wheel would change from somewhere around the mid point to zero (full nose down) without me touching the wheel at all. Putting the yoke in training mode while flying I could see it happen on the V1F lcd screen. This was not a mismatch between the yoke and sim soft value like the one you skillfully describe. This was completely the fault of the yoke producing a false input on its own. Watching it happen on the training mode screen confirms that. Weeks of back and forth with Turtle Beach support and various help forums confirmed it. It was not isolated to my unit. The problem was never solved to my knowledge.
The work around for me was to not use the analog trim wheel at all and assign digital trim up/down to a couple of other buttons on the yoke. Sad that I can’t use that cool trim wheel but it just was not reliable. TB reproduced my problem and acknowledged it as a bug on their end. All the analog axises have the behavior you describe especially with the autopilot making changes that get out of sync with the position of the physical control. That’s just a behavior we have to understand and accept.
It's not a 'bug' no.
@@Huddison To follow up. I just found out that TB released a firmware update 1.5.0 on July 29, 2024 that specifically addresses the bug that I have been reporting since March 2023. From the TB support page: "• Fixed bug with trim axis data jumping when used with VelocityOne Rudder connected on Xbox consoles.". I'm on Xbox and first encountered the problem only after I added the rudders. To be clear Huddison- this is a different issue than the out of sync behavior you described so well. I don't think the out of sync situation is a bug at all. It's just built into the design. Same thing happens with all the other controls like the initial physical setting of my throttle or flaps not matching the initial setting the sim assumes. And the AP can move the throttle (just like the trim) such that it no longer matches my V1F levers when I turn off the AP. We just have to understand and adapt to that. Thanks for all your work making the excellent videos. I appreciate it.
That explains so much! I’ve been fighting this issue since day one 😮
Yes, you should be checking trim but surely Huddison's point is that you can visually check it on the screen but that if you don't actually touch the wheel it will be showing incorrectly. I found this extremely helpful and now have two pieces of tape on the physical trim wheel showing the neutral position on the axis. Thanks Hudison
I use the setting where you see your trim settings, and other info on the screen. When I'm ready for takeoff, I look outside plane for the default trim setting and, for example, it's plus 5, I then set my trim to that. Take off is fine now but when landing and disconnecting autopilot, I must leave the trim setting alone and deal with whatever setting it's at or the plane might spike up. I land safely but it's not ideal. This is the one fault of the V1F that takes away from an otherwise excellent product. My V1Y also had it's name changed to gamepad like yours awhile back on one of the sim updates. Thanks for explaining it and hopefully this will be better with flight sim 2024.
Thanks for sharing your own experiences. Keep in mind: it's the Sim that's not playing along correctly with the V1 Yoke (and other analogue trim wheels).
Thank you for this Mr H - very helpful! The trim wheel action on my TBV1 was a bit of a mystery to me 😂
Glad it helped.
Thanks!
Thank you Ron! Very kind of you :)
Thanks Mr. H. Some time back I ask for assistance with the trim wheel. This was a fix for my very problem…
Yep. In the Vision Jet I have to trim down during initial climb before engaging the AP. Otherwise, when on short final and disengaging the AP, the Vision Jet will nose up suddenly, putting me above the glide path. Though I usually am able to regain control right away, this behavior typically forces me to land longer than intended. Not a major problem if the runway is long enough. Glad I don’t fly airplanes for a living. LOL
I’ll have to look for the FW update for the yoke.
I know from communication with TB, this behaviour of the trim wheel is inherent to MSFS; love to be proven wrong though.
@@Huddison Same thing happens with the throttle on planes that have auto throttle engaged. When you turn off AT, it likely won't match the physical setting of your TB throttle lever. You just have to anticipate that and adapt the same as the analog trim wheel getting out of sync. It is inherent to the MSFS design.
Update: I find the AP trims pitch at about 2° on final with airspeed at 100-110 kts. At 90 kts., the AP pitch trim is usually at 3°. I make sure I’ve trimmed down to 2°-3° on a 5° climb gradient during initial climb, then I engage the AP.
After that I do the climb checklist and go to MCT on the throttle before engaging AT. I usually disengage AT as I start final approach. AT has the power at a lower percentage than the lever setting at MCT. I move the lever to match the power percentage before disengaging AT.
These tricks help me make a smoother transition from full AP to manual control. Fewer surprises. Such is simming.
Thanx for this Huddison. All becomes much clearer now. I know I haven't personally been resetting so explains all my problems. Wonder if it could be coded correctly in MSFS 2024, or is it simply too late now.
I really hope FS2024 will fix this issue; just reset the trim regardless of where it lies along its axis.
A encoder wheel trim wheel digitally pushes a trim button continuously on and off as you turn the wheel. And this problem does not happen. For instance that's the way the Saitek autopilot panel trim wheel works when driven by Axis and Ohs.
When you move the wheel, trim moves very slowly. Is easy to set exactly. If you need to trim fast, then move the wheel fast and the trimming effect will instantly shifts gears and change the trim even faster than you are turning the wheel.
And so you have very slow or very fast trim: a two speed trim wheel.
For Axis and Ohs to take command of the trim wheel, just check one box called "Saitec Panels Enabled" in the AaO menu. No setup or adjusting is required.
And when you start a new flight, the old trim setting is not remembered. Because the Saitek trim wheel on their AP panel is not an axis.
I typically edge towards my Logitech Multi Panel trim wheel (which works in a similar way I believe); whilst using the rockers on my XPC yoke for more aggressive trim.
The easiest way to think of this is, you have a hardware trim wheel and a software trim wheel. You have to make sure they are synchronized by setting the hardware trim wheel to the neutral position before starting the flight.
Sounds intriguing; please elaborate.
It's actually funny bug, cause it's never gonna happen when you trim your airplane before flight, like we always should do :D
Very helpful, thank you 👍
Thank you too.
In real life you have to recenter the elevation trim before take off, it is part of the check list. Not a bug.
That trim wheel is almost useless on FS2024. Setting trim to digital buttons adjust the trim 0.2 - 0.25 % per click. This miserable trim wheel adjusts 1 % at a time. So it is actually 400-500% less precise than a button adjusment.
I'm sure you can adjust sensitivity settings so it matches the digital method.
Hi Huddison great video, have you ever used the velocity one flight yoke on the Fenix A320? If so did you have a problem setting up the reverse thrust with the throttle levers as the only way i can get them to activate reverse thrust is by putting the levers to the reverse detent then back to idle but i have to do that twice for the reverse ro activate, any help would be appreciated
I've only flown the default A320 in MSFS and very rarely at that.
The problem still exists when you use auto pilot. It will re trim the plane and now your analog trim wheel won't be synchronized with the one in the sim
Thanks for the tip
Always my pleasure ;)
I've had this problem and fixed it with this in my mental checklist.
What I've been wondering, would it work if I put some marker on trim wheel middle and set it middle while in menu?
Interesting 🤔
I did just that, marking "center trim" on my V1 Flight with a piece of red tape. I did this by going to the controller settings, bringing up the trim settings and adjusting to "center" (solid bar in left half, empty bar in right). Make sure to save and exit...
Seems to help but I've also gotten in the habit of simply rotating up/down/return to center while checking my flight controls before take-off. The only issue is, if, for some reason while flying, and you don't have an actual trim guage in the plane, if you dial in a lot of trim, you may go past that mid-mark several times and lose track of where the mid-point is...🤔
Hi, @Huddison I am thinking of getting the V1 in the new year for use on my pc. Many thanks for this video guide.
Question: Has this issue now been fixed in fs2024?
You still need to adjust the trim wheel, unfortunately.
Preflight checks!
Controls free and correct - Check
Elevator Trim set to takeoff - Check
OK, CBC pilots doesn't care ...
CBC = Couch, Beer, Controller
;)
Turtle Beach recently updated the firmware on the Flight Yoke to 1.5.0. I believe there was a fix for this. I have not tested it yet.
I recorded this on the latest firmware.
I must try that firmware update!
I’ve been doing this since I bought it as part of my pre-flight checks.
What’s been happening recently though which is sometimes impossible to recover from is that my trim will suddenly jump to +/- 100% trim. Seems to be ever since the U.K. and Ireland update. 😢
Yikes 😕
@@andyh5224 the new firmware update completely fixed that issue issue
Just on the Flightstick? I was still getting the jumps with the latest firmware on the Yoke.
Don't have that problem cause I ever could get the compete TURTLE SYSTEM to work si it sits in the original boxes along with the Logitec rudder peddles
Come on our Discord; we might be able to help you get it up and running.
What if your trim still doesn’t work
Same with Turtle Beach Yoke
I assume Asobo probably patrol's your excellent YT channel but if not Im hoping youve not "dilly dalleyed" and have already opened up comments in the official MFS page so they're aware of this issue!?
Asobo are well aware of this issue and have been since the V1 Yoke launch my friend.
@@Huddison wow, must be a real dilly of an issue if theyve not fixed it. Well, I mentioned your video again on one of their MFS reels. Get all your members to start messaging the same comment. That would be funny.
PROTEST TIME LOL
Trim whell doew not work with PMDG 737 or 777....
It was working ok on my 737-600 last time I checked.
That's solved the problem for me many thanks
Good to hear; that's what I was hoping for :)
I sold my V1 ages ago because of this and replaced it with a honeycomb, a real shame because I liked the V1 otherwise.
Its a travesty that they never solved this in four years, can only hope they are putting as much effort into issues like this as they are into stuff like first person walking...........
It's down to how MSFS translates Analogue Trim wheels; I remember reading a forum post on a similar controller.
You can't go wrong with a Honeycomb Yoke though ;)
So you sold it because you wouldn’t check your trim before takeoff !
@@brin57err no, I'm not stupid. I sold it because it used to smash me into the ground after I disconnected autopilot. This was long before anyone had figured out the fixes for it
Nothing broken here. Setting your trim before takeoff is standard procedure. You wouldn’t jump in a plane someone else just flew, and just go with whatever they had set!
Good tips.