We have entered a BRAND NEW ERA for this TH-cam channel. I got rid of those black bars in my pfp. 😯 (Also, I uploaded this on 4/20 and forgot to mention that Hoover buys weed from Shauna, smh)
I honestly think it would be a good idea to of had Hoover be a ‘Failed Lisa’. Meaning that she was at one point just like Lisa, only for her morale to get destroyed by time and other issues, sending her on a downward spiral.
Would be good if an episode exploring this ended with her realizing that her own callousness and even rivalry with Lisa wasn't a helpful dose of reality but clipping her wings, almost guaranteeing that Lisa will end up more like Hoover as an adult. Maybe she even apologizes to Lisa for her unprofessional behavior, and indicates that in the future she will lean harder towards indifference than spite, so as to stop getting in the way of Lisa's development. On the other hand, Lisa's characteristic wisdom could lead her to say that she *does* appreciate having Miss Hoover for a teacher, because it has encourages her to be self-reliant in learning and has tested her determination to learn in the face of a world which would allow her to stagnate. Either way, love this angle. I mean, it's "Gifted Kid Syndrome", innit? That'd be a good topic to explore with these characters just in general.
That's a really good idea. I like the dark reflection of Lisa being her backstory, they should have done something like that. Also, I could have sworn she lived next to the VanHoutens, so I'm not sure where the apartment at the bottom of the hill came from.
Alright, so this is almost certainly TOO deep a cut, but in one of the Simpsons comics, Lisa tries to reignite Ms Hoover’s love of teaching, and she ends up causing her to realise that she never really loved teaching, she loved being apathetic towards teaching. So she ends up thanking Lisa for helping her remember how fun it is to not give a shit about her job. This is almost certainly far too obscure for Simpsons Histories, but I’ve always been fascinated by that one girl in Bart’s class with the green glasses. It’s such a weird ‘early Simpsons’ design and yet she hasn’t really been updated because she has no real stories or anything. Maybe an episode tracking various background characters might be interesting? I’m curious how long some unique designs have lasted.
I'd like to see that unique reoccuring background characters episode. The extra drunks at Moe's bar, Power Plant employees, Oldfolks senior citizens, etc. Then again each disussion will become which character replaced the need for the all extras (i.e Milhouse replacing the other 4th graders).
I used to read those Simpsons (and Futurama!) comics all the time when I was a kid, so this takes me back. They had some really great storylines and additional fleshing out of the lore, I always thought they were every bit as enjoyable as watching the shows.
oh yeah that girl! always loved her design lol. have used her as a PFP on other social medias before. she is also in lisa's class sometimes for some reason
@@jaded151 that’s actually her younger sister whom she wishes wouldn’t dress the same as her but can’t get her mom to intervene due to the savings from hand-me-downs. (I kid, but…)
I think it's neat that Miss Hoover goes unexplained. It's like with real teachers, some of them you get to know more personally and even get to talk with them outside of school. Some others are just... Kinda there. A mysterious question mark. It's a constant that not only rings true in america, it rings true worldwide.
Good point. Watching the video back after upload, I questioned whether it's more realistic to let Hoover be unexplained. Maybe we don't need to understand the "why" of everyone and she can just be a simple representation of that archetype
I agree honestly, it feels very much like the family’s perspective, Krabapple becomes integral to the family because she always feels something for her job, whether she’s frustrated with Bart or genuinely caring for him, she always has *feelings* about it which would translate to her being more involved, but Hoover is apathetic and teaches their less “problematic” child, she’s barely involved, so there’s no reason they’d really know much if anything about her as a person. Krabapple also overshares a lot, which sets the scene easier for us to connect with her more, but Hoover doesn’t even really care enough to vent to the kids, she just clocks in and clocks out, and she doesn’t exist to the family outside of that so…she doesn’t really exist to us.
@@TheRealJims everyone has a why. Miss Hoover is not Hans Moleman or Mojo. I think looking a bit more into her character would be appreciated, which may or may not include references to her past
I'm going to be honest, I didn't think Miss Hoover had enough history to have a nearly 20 minute video about her. Once again, I'm proven pleasantly wrong
Having an episode on Mayor Quimby might be a fun time! He has a lot of appearances and one-off jokes if I recall correctly, so there's probably a decent amount of material there. He's probably one of those characters that most easily slips into the back of your mind when it comes to remembering the core Simpsons cast, despite being semi-prolific in the series.
Miss Hoover has long fascinated me as a character. She's one of the fairly prominent school characters we know so little about, yet she's such an excellent portrayal of the careworn, burned-out teachers that are sadly such a part of American public school life. It would be interesting to see a little more of her, maybe some deeper explanation of her inner life.
I’d like to see an episode about Professor Frink or Rainier Wolfcastle. Interesting how they both have such specific inspirations, but you can get a lot more use out of one than the other (lone scientist vs. action movie star competing with other media personalities for attention).
Wolfcastle would be specifically interesting subject for a video because of the odd way the show's floating timeline affects him. The real life Arnold Schwarzenegger has aged 30 years and had huge changes in his career (from a B movie actor to a serious politician) while Wolfcastle as a Simpsons character can't age but is still supposed to be a direct parody of Schwarzenegger.
I think Frink had a few episodes to himself. I remember one specifically where Homer helped him with trying to find a girlfriend. Edit: yeah I think a bit of the episode was mentioned when Ms. Hoover was going out with Frink.
@@tarvinneekomainitakaan I always thought it was weird they had President Schwarzenegger in the movie yet he was still clearly just Wolfcastle… were some studio heads worried some audience members might not get the reference or something?
My favourite part of this series is probably discovering random jokes from post-classic seasons that are genuinely funny. "She assigned reading the wiki article, not the book" got a really good laugh from me.
I think we should do Groundskeeper Willie next. He's always been that type of character to me that's prominent and has jokes for sure...he he never really stick around for most of an episode. It's mostly quick gags and separated events. I'd like to see the history straighten it out!
From this episode I also learned that Snake's real name isn't Jailbird, even though thats the name he uses when he's a professor, it's written on that revenge sheet as Chester Turley
I always thought a good reason for Miss Hoover being so jaded towards her job is because of Springfield Elementary and how absolutely poor it is as a school. It's no secret that the budget of the school and the management in general is pretty bad, and doesn't lend itself to good teaching. I've always liked the idea that Miss Hoover really did genuinely love teaching, but the constant Ralph Wiggums flying through her classroom year after year due to the school being so ridiculously shit slowly chipped away at her passion until she just can't be bothered. She's so ready to go on strike because it might just give her the slightest chance of having a better classroom. She's so ready to read a book in class or read the answer's off a teacher's guide because, well, what's the point? No matter what she does, there'll be another Ralph around the corner thanks to the school. Would probably lend itself to a good nuanced story about the school. idk
You could always follow up with another of Lisa's well known teachers: Mr Largo. A character you see every opening, yet rarely gets any sort of spotlight
"Miss Hoover was President Lincoln ok?" "He was fine Ralph..." That line always made me laugh b/c of how just not caring and able to flip a switch in her mind she was able to do. Works done, so I dont have to care anymore lol
As far as obscure characters go I'm very curious about Jainey (Lisa's friend) She's never fully faded away like Richard and Lewis have, but she also doesn't seem to have really impacted much either. She seems to be in a weird place as far as Simpson characters go
in one later episode, they show her with lisa viewing a jazz performance, which strikes me as odd bc they never mentioned that she liked jazz before or since
I would love to see a Lindsey Negal episode. The emergence of her character and her predecessors was an interesting late 1990s development. The fact that the writers included a 1990s corporate speak executive women says a lot about the changes in the show, the writing room and the world at that time
The standadised test episode showcases why Hoover needed Edna to work, even though they don't even interact with each other. They both don't like their job, but Edna overshares that while telling a story while Elizabeth just apatetically tells the class to wait for the bell when they finish. And like, Edna still took pleasure on baiting and switching the kids with the test, while Hoover just did the assignment. And the way they serve as a foil for not only the simpsons kids, but each other made Edna's vanishing all the more tragic.
This is the hill I'm dying on - Sherri and Terri, because the show is kinda stuck with them. They got a notable role in Homer's Odyssey but never really progressed from there. I'm always fascinated by the Simpsons characters who are locked into the fabric of the show but I could barely tell you anything about them, which is my favorite aspect of Simpsons Histories.
I had a teacher much like her, a science teacher when I was in high school and you could tell he lost his love for the job many many decades ago before he started teaching our class.
Jim: “we need a Miss Hoover renaissance” Al Jean: “We’ve already done every possible joke with her” *Jim slams his hand on Al’s* Jim: “PERHAPS I’m not making myself clear. I think you should reconsider”
I'd like to see a simpsons histories on Judge Constance harm. I find it interesting how she was introduced during the middle era of the show and used for a few prominent roles, but then disappeared in the HD era. Not sure if there's another character like that.
Constance is especially interesting bc it lead to a huge change in another character, Judge Snyder: Because Constance Harm is so harsh and angry ala. Judge Judy, they softened the once-serious Snyder into a much sweeter person by comparison.
I feel a better Hoover centric episode would be her having to teach Ralph how to be a model student for some sort of academic contest, which could develop both characters. Ms Hoover gets chosen in some teacher contest, is going to put lisa as her student to work with and Ralph’s name is mixed up instead. Episode is her making Ralph smarter.
Miss Hoover is probably the least fleshed out character in the Simpsons imo. Pretty much a standard teacher beaten down by the lifeless school system and yet the most memorable role she had was when Ms. Hoover slept with Bart in an futuristic episode
Maggie, the neglected Simpsons family member needs her history. For a main character she's had so much less times when she's been relevent to the plot than your Moe's and your Skinner's, and possibly not even as many as Santa's Little Helper. Yet her highlights are so good, as she's gunned down the Springfield mob, might just be smarter than Lisa, defeated the scourge of Objectivist thinking, and she did shoot Mr. Burns after all.
12:47 really smooth. As for the next Simpsons Histories, I'm voting for Apu. He went through a lot of stuff during the series... he's probably the character with the most status quo changes now that I think about it?
Was so excited for this! Miss Hoover's always been one of my favorite Simpsons characters, and I really really wish the writers did more with her! Huge agree that she's an underutilized foil for both Lisa and Ralph these days.
Good vid as always! Lindsey Naegle for Simpsons Histories next? I think it’s interesting how she kind of evolved out of nameless, similarly voiced ‘executive-type woman’ one-off characters that were used for awhile before we had one definitive named character for that kind of role. Also just in general I think it’d be interesting to look at characters introduced closer to halfway through the show’s run~
Neat to know that Hoover finally got a spotlight episode in the HD era. Disappointing to know it didn't add any depth to her. It's always felt strange to me that Edna became such a prominent character in the show, and Hoover kinda stagnated in the C-listers. (though I guess the Maggie Roswell situation helps explain that) With any luck, we'll see more use of her going forward and she'll start to evolve more as a character. As for who to see in the next Simpsons Histories video, I'm going to again suggest Eddie and Lou. 2 characters that initially were basically permanently linked with each other (ala Richard and Lewis, Lenny and Carl, etc) but now in the modern era, I genuinely can't think of the last time I have even seen Eddie appear in an episode as anything more than a background character, and any police scenes nowadays seem to just involve Lou and Wiggum. I can't help but wonder, what it was about Eddie that made him fade into the background and what made the writers decide to have Lou slowly shift towards being Wiggum's snarky sidekick.
Honestly Miss Hoover is one of my favourite Simpsons characters out of how purely relatable she is. She has a complete sense of apathy and basically zero passion for her job but at the same time knowing what she deals with on a day to day basis you can hardly really blame her. She's also fairly attractive for a simpsons character and honestly would seem like a cool person to hang out with if you shared a similar outlook. I have to admit she also reminds me of a teacher I had in high school who I sort of had a crush on, they dressed very similarly and was a miss as well which probably colours my perception somewhat.
She kinda looks like those pre-makeover girls in 90's teenage romcoms that use the ugly duckling trope. A conventionally good looking girl/woman with just some out of fashion clothes, glasses and a bit of a plain hairstyle.
Ooh, seconding this! A look at how much we've seen of Shelbyville (and the less popular Ogdenville) over the years and how the use of Springfield's foil has changed would be awesome.
I have to admit I always really hope that Miss Hoover would get a Renaissance in a form of a adult jaded Lisa type character because they both seem to have at least very active personalities that could lead to a really cool dynamic kind of like a cautionary tale for Lisa. Plus I always thought that Miss Hooper trying to deal with Ralph if not for the whole episode maybe a b plot would be hilarious
I'd love to see a skinner episode in the future- and not just because he's my favorite (although it does have a lot to do with it lol) but he's genuinely a very interesting guy, despite the show wanting you to think otherwise. he's also changed throught the entire show's run, it kinda feels like s1 skinner and current skinner is like, 2 different versions. also his relationship with his mom is weird as hell and the fact its implied he subconsciously wants to kill her is wild. theres a lot going on with this guy is what im trying to say lol
Likely influenced by the shot of his Lego version in the credits, I always found Mr Largo quite enigmatic as a kid. He seems like he never really became the character that the show initially thought he'd grow into. He even gets his own bit in the opening sequence. I think he'd be a good subject to focus on, though I have no idea what the show's done with him since the early 2000s.
Great video, Jims! I've always been fascinated by the characters that barely ever get used, even for background roles, but are mentioned throughout the series (ie: Comptroller Atkins, Scott Christian, Dave Shutton, The Winfields, etc.) Even characters like Charlie who is mainly a background character, but gets his own consistent name, voice, job, and relationships. I'd love to see a Simpsons histories about a few of these characters all wrapped up together.
I personally head cannon that Hoover was once a bright overachiever like Lisa, but her life didn't go how she wanted and she wound up with a teaching job she hates. So when she brushes Lisa off she's subconsciously trying to lessen what she sees as Lisa's inevitable disappointment and misery, since that's what happened to her.
Thank you so much for this video! There is nothing better than starting the day with new content from you 💖 An interesting fun fact about her is that in LATAM it was really common for the translators to change the name of the characters either to make them more fitting with our culture or just because they wanted and in this case Hoover's last name was "Stricter" (as in strict) for a very long time which is weird because that's not a word i would use to describe her character (or maybe that was the joke who knows), she also had a very old sounding voice for most of her early-mid appearances despite looking younger than most of other teachers
2:34 psychosomatic is when an illness or perceived injury such as a limp can be the result of mental health as opposed to actual injury/illness e.g. PTSD causing a limp when there is no injury to legs.
There are some hints that Miss Hoover is an alcoholic. Possibly a recovering one that falls off the bandwagon a lot. She spills some on Lisa's test, falls asleep often, and we see her drinking more often when she isn't teaching. There is also the time in Bart vs Lisa vs the Third Grade when introduced to their new teacher she describes Edna has a chain-smoker and acts out chugging a bottle when describing Miss Hoover.
I am still nominating Sam and Larry and Sarah Wiggum to be covered eventually, but Ralph Wiggum's evolution is one that I find very interesting. He started out as an average child, became a bit estranged, and then devolved into what we always see of him. Not to mention that Season 1 has 2 Ralphs: 1 resembling his modern incarnation and one that was explicitly called in the DVD commemtary for Moaning Lisa.
I would love to see an episode on Shauna. She is one of the later season additions, had a bit of a slow go, but became so ubiquitous. She’s had a stand out episode or two and is both one of Bart’s former love interests but also SUPERINTENDENT CHALMERS DAUGHTER. Not to mention SHES an addition to an already existing character trio. She’s like if the Simpsons just added another character to Moe’s bar line up.
I always wondered, does Disco Stu actually like disco? I think the show gave multiple conflicting answers to that question and maybe you could get to the bottom of this
I think your strong suit is the more obscure characters, and weaving a narrative that fits their changing role in the show. This was one of my favorites in recent memory. I vote Frink, if only for his contributions to Frinkiac :D
The Sea Captain would be my pick for the next episode because he’s got that spark that makes me want to know more and less about him and I don’t really know what they’ve done with him in the modern episodes and to cap it off he’s just iconic
Hoover has always been an interesting character as she’s always been a prevalent side character but unlike the many others in the show, she never really received much focus in a plot. I’m glad you did an episode on her!
I'd love to see one on Moe! He's my favorite, and it's because of his past struggles that got me to like him so much. I'm new to the Simpsons and am still making my way through the older seasons and haven't watch much of the new seasons, so I wanted to say thanks for creating this series! The Simpsons has a lot of depth to its characters and their histories, so it's great to see it so thoroughly explored! Thank you so much if you read this. Can't wait for the next character histories!
It'd be nice to see an episode on one of the less prominent wife characters, like Sarah Wiggum or Manjula. Idk if there's a whole lot to go off of for Sarah, but an episode on Manjula would be interesting.
Sarah Wiggum would pretty much be her spotlight episode she finally got in s32 and that's it. Manjula I feel would be depressing. This bright attractive woman in her first appearance, who then gets eight kids and an unfaithful husband who she gets incredibly, incredibly bitter about. Reasonable for her to do so but it doesn't exactly make her a 'fun' character to watch.
Would love to see a histories on Sherri and Terry! I love the sort of obscure but not really characters. Ms. Hoover is so weirdly interesting. I think had the simpsons taken a more sitcommy route, she would have taken off quite well.
This was great! She's one of those characters you don't often think about, but she's so well characterised in subtle ways. I'd love to see an episode about someone I do think about more though, Ralph Wiggum. I still don't fully understand him as a character, or to what extent he can be said to have a learning disorder, or whether the show is generally sympathetic to him, or how his intelligence fluctuates *massively*, he's just got so much going on that bears thinking about! Thanks for the great content and I can't wait to see what's next :D
It funny you mentioned a teacher Renaissance during this when they recently announced a new permanent teacher for Bart. Of course you film this way before that announcement but the timing of this episode and that announcement is hilarious. Good work as always
Moe had a pretty big status quo change, so I think now would be a good time for a Simpsons Histories on our favorite surly bartender. Or maybe after the seasons is over, just in case they do anything more with Moe and Maya. Wiggum would also be an interesting pick, I noticed he's much more serious in the earlier seasons, I wonder exactly when he became the goof we know today and how him being Ralph's father changed him. Although I'm also holding out hope for a Skinner or Burns episode in the future
I loved The Simpsons as a kid but I haven't watched it since, I think, 2008. I've had a serious hankering to dive back in. I stumbled on your vids today and they're great. I think I may just fire up the newer seasons I haven't ever watched. I had a teacher like Ms. Hoover. Her name was Mrs. Andersen. She treated all of the smart children in her class like small adults. More like rivals than children she could/should inspire. It's been 30 years and she's one of the few teachers I remember and for all the wrong reasons. Maybe as a fully grown middle aged adult I can appraise Ms. Hoover separately from my long held negativity. I'm certainly inspired to try at least. Personally I'd like to hear your take on Cletus and Brandine. I grew up poor in a large family and I think they could use a more critical take.
Holy shit I choked on my lunch at the "what is with all these head-related Hoover and Bart jokes" when you showed those particular pictures. I stand by my earlier nomination of Skinner, but I humbly request a 'Simpsons mysteries' on it if you can swing it since I am most interested in what kind of continuity (if any) can be gleaned from those sporadic extremely dark jokes. If there isn't enough for a whole mysteries episode, I would settle for a 'chapter' on it in a histories episode instead.
yeah, that too. That may lend some credence to the idea of him being a super dark character deep down. But for me the most interesting thing is that since I've been watching random episodes, Skinner (as we know him) just randomly tosses some REALLY dark subtext in a conversation and I'm curious exactly what it all adds up to. At first, I was like "haha he did a dark thing once maybe" but he does it way more than I realized and it's both terrifying and fascinating.
We have entered a BRAND NEW ERA for this TH-cam channel. I got rid of those black bars in my pfp. 😯
(Also, I uploaded this on 4/20 and forgot to mention that Hoover buys weed from Shauna, smh)
nice
Those black bars were bugging me forever! (I can't think of a Simpsons quote to go with this)
who's Shauna?
Time to enter the HD pfp era
Give me a Simpsons histories for Jebediah Springfield.
I honestly think it would be a good idea to of had Hoover be a ‘Failed Lisa’. Meaning that she was at one point just like Lisa, only for her morale to get destroyed by time and other issues, sending her on a downward spiral.
Love this idea. It would make so much sense and would be a different spin on how Edna K came to be
Would be good if an episode exploring this ended with her realizing that her own callousness and even rivalry with Lisa wasn't a helpful dose of reality but clipping her wings, almost guaranteeing that Lisa will end up more like Hoover as an adult. Maybe she even apologizes to Lisa for her unprofessional behavior, and indicates that in the future she will lean harder towards indifference than spite, so as to stop getting in the way of Lisa's development. On the other hand, Lisa's characteristic wisdom could lead her to say that she *does* appreciate having Miss Hoover for a teacher, because it has encourages her to be self-reliant in learning and has tested her determination to learn in the face of a world which would allow her to stagnate.
Either way, love this angle. I mean, it's "Gifted Kid Syndrome", innit? That'd be a good topic to explore with these characters just in general.
That's a really good idea. I like the dark reflection of Lisa being her backstory, they should have done something like that. Also, I could have sworn she lived next to the VanHoutens, so I'm not sure where the apartment at the bottom of the hill came from.
Reminds me of that episode where Lisa learned that Marge used to be a prodigy like her, it's a fascinating concept!
This is an interesting idea. I like it.
Honestly? Miss Hoover could get it.
Krabappel, too
@@GrizzlyAdams94 ehhhh
@@milliondollarmistake That scene in Team Homer where she's adjusting her desk bruh.
I agree I always wanted to give it to her to
She cute
Alright, so this is almost certainly TOO deep a cut, but in one of the Simpsons comics, Lisa tries to reignite Ms Hoover’s love of teaching, and she ends up causing her to realise that she never really loved teaching, she loved being apathetic towards teaching. So she ends up thanking Lisa for helping her remember how fun it is to not give a shit about her job.
This is almost certainly far too obscure for Simpsons Histories, but I’ve always been fascinated by that one girl in Bart’s class with the green glasses. It’s such a weird ‘early Simpsons’ design and yet she hasn’t really been updated because she has no real stories or anything. Maybe an episode tracking various background characters might be interesting? I’m curious how long some unique designs have lasted.
I'd like to see that unique reoccuring background characters episode. The extra drunks at Moe's bar, Power Plant employees, Oldfolks senior citizens, etc. Then again each disussion will become which character replaced the need for the all extras (i.e Milhouse replacing the other 4th graders).
I used to read those Simpsons (and Futurama!) comics all the time when I was a kid, so this takes me back. They had some really great storylines and additional fleshing out of the lore, I always thought they were every bit as enjoyable as watching the shows.
And they are also written by homer Simpson himself. SO YOU KNOW THIER GOOD!
oh yeah that girl! always loved her design lol. have used her as a PFP on other social medias before. she is also in lisa's class sometimes for some reason
@@jaded151 that’s actually her younger sister whom she wishes wouldn’t dress the same as her but can’t get her mom to intervene due to the savings from hand-me-downs. (I kid, but…)
I think it's neat that Miss Hoover goes unexplained. It's like with real teachers, some of them you get to know more personally and even get to talk with them outside of school. Some others are just... Kinda there. A mysterious question mark. It's a constant that not only rings true in america, it rings true worldwide.
Good point. Watching the video back after upload, I questioned whether it's more realistic to let Hoover be unexplained. Maybe we don't need to understand the "why" of everyone and she can just be a simple representation of that archetype
I agree honestly, it feels very much like the family’s perspective, Krabapple becomes integral to the family because she always feels something for her job, whether she’s frustrated with Bart or genuinely caring for him, she always has *feelings* about it which would translate to her being more involved, but Hoover is apathetic and teaches their less “problematic” child, she’s barely involved, so there’s no reason they’d really know much if anything about her as a person. Krabapple also overshares a lot, which sets the scene easier for us to connect with her more, but Hoover doesn’t even really care enough to vent to the kids, she just clocks in and clocks out, and she doesn’t exist to the family outside of that so…she doesn’t really exist to us.
@@TheRealJims everyone has a why. Miss Hoover is not Hans Moleman or Mojo. I think looking a bit more into her character would be appreciated, which may or may not include references to her past
“The children are right to laugh at you Ralph” -- still gets me every time. 🤣
"These things couldn't cut butter."
"The children still have a right to laugh at you Ralph" - Future Miss Hoover
@jbiehlable lol XD
@jbiehlable yeah
@jbiehlable yeah true, thx for talking to me, have a nice day an- Ralph put your finger out of your nose!!
She is a realistic portrayal of many teachers I had in school.
Same
Those teachers are always the worst, because you know you’re not getting a good answer when you ask them questions
That’s why she’s one of the worst characters in the show Lol
Same
@@Zacman1123 She's a miserable alcoholic woman. She needs a hug.
I'm going to be honest, I didn't think Miss Hoover had enough history to have a nearly 20 minute video about her. Once again, I'm proven pleasantly wrong
WELLLL A TH-cam CREATOR gets paid by length of video 10 min and 20 mins , pushing the 20 min mark just ensure bigger ad revenue
@@dogtownoon9791 This. The majority of TH-cam channels these days go out of their way to get as much ad money as possible.
pessimists lmao
Having an episode on Mayor Quimby might be a fun time! He has a lot of appearances and one-off jokes if I recall correctly, so there's probably a decent amount of material there. He's probably one of those characters that most easily slips into the back of your mind when it comes to remembering the core Simpsons cast, despite being semi-prolific in the series.
Seconded
Vote Quimby
Yeah and Disco Stu
Seems like a good choice, also interesting to see you here.
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Miss Hoover has long fascinated me as a character. She's one of the fairly prominent school characters we know so little about, yet she's such an excellent portrayal of the careworn, burned-out teachers that are sadly such a part of American public school life. It would be interesting to see a little more of her, maybe some deeper explanation of her inner life.
Well, they made a balls of that, didn't they?
I never realized how hot she is
They’re in British and Japanese schools too, don’t kid yourself
@@wolfetteplays8894 I... Never said they weren't? I simply mentioned America because the show is set in America.
They did do recent episode where Hoover and Lisa butt heads over later not apologizing to the former.
I’d like to see an episode about Professor Frink or Rainier Wolfcastle. Interesting how they both have such specific inspirations, but you can get a lot more use out of one than the other (lone scientist vs. action movie star competing with other media personalities for attention).
Wolfcastle would be specifically interesting subject for a video because of the odd way the show's floating timeline affects him. The real life Arnold Schwarzenegger has aged 30 years and had huge changes in his career (from a B movie actor to a serious politician) while Wolfcastle as a Simpsons character can't age but is still supposed to be a direct parody of Schwarzenegger.
I think Frink had a few episodes to himself. I remember one specifically where Homer helped him with trying to find a girlfriend.
Edit: yeah I think a bit of the episode was mentioned when Ms. Hoover was going out with Frink.
@@AwesomeAceZ yeah and Disco Stu
@@tarvinneekomainitakaan I always thought it was weird they had President Schwarzenegger in the movie yet he was still clearly just Wolfcastle… were some studio heads worried some audience members might not get the reference or something?
I think Lydia did one on Frink
My favourite part of this series is probably discovering random jokes from post-classic seasons that are genuinely funny. "She assigned reading the wiki article, not the book" got a really good laugh from me.
Homer: Runs a red light. "Its okay I'm a teacher!"
Miss Hoover: "I didn't know we could do that!" Runs a red light.
Using the pic of Hoover and Bart in bed as an example of "head-related" jokes should be a fucking war crime tbh
I think that's what's implied with the "Hoover" pun already.
I finally got that "why they call you Miss Hoover" joke today. Took me longer than I'd care to admit
I think we should do Groundskeeper Willie next. He's always been that type of character to me that's prominent and has jokes for sure...he he never really stick around for most of an episode. It's mostly quick gags and separated events. I'd like to see the history straighten it out!
Slipping in “head related Hoover and Bart jokes” was hilariously genius.
As a fellow teacher, Ms. Hoover rings as one of the truest characters on the show.
Once again, I nominate the Blue Haired Lawyer for Simpsons Histories!
I'll always suggest Cletus. His huge family and wide variety of one off jokes and injuries would make for a really fun video in my opinion.
Yeah he seems smarter than he looks
Gotta be honest, been watching this show for 20+ years and I just learned Miss Hoover's first name.
Me too!
Yeah same here.
From this episode I also learned that Snake's real name isn't Jailbird, even though thats the name he uses when he's a professor, it's written on that revenge sheet as Chester Turley
I always thought a good reason for Miss Hoover being so jaded towards her job is because of Springfield Elementary and how absolutely poor it is as a school. It's no secret that the budget of the school and the management in general is pretty bad, and doesn't lend itself to good teaching. I've always liked the idea that Miss Hoover really did genuinely love teaching, but the constant Ralph Wiggums flying through her classroom year after year due to the school being so ridiculously shit slowly chipped away at her passion until she just can't be bothered. She's so ready to go on strike because it might just give her the slightest chance of having a better classroom. She's so ready to read a book in class or read the answer's off a teacher's guide because, well, what's the point? No matter what she does, there'll be another Ralph around the corner thanks to the school.
Would probably lend itself to a good nuanced story about the school. idk
I actually like that idea. I've had a few teachers like that in my lifetime
You could always follow up with another of Lisa's well known teachers: Mr Largo. A character you see every opening, yet rarely gets any sort of spotlight
Is he the music teacher ? Lol
Definitely want to see a histories on Largo.
"nobody likes milhouse!!"
Definitely would be interesting to do a compare and contrast to Smithers who both got to come out over the course of the show
@@hellodaphne yeah screw that kid
"Miss Hoover was President Lincoln ok?"
"He was fine Ralph..."
That line always made me laugh b/c of how just not caring and able to flip a switch in her mind she was able to do. Works done, so I dont have to care anymore lol
The next character for Simpsons Histories? Oh, let's say...Moe.
As far as obscure characters go I'm very curious about Jainey (Lisa's friend)
She's never fully faded away like Richard and Lewis have, but she also doesn't seem to have really impacted much either. She seems to be in a weird place as far as Simpson characters go
Mostly because Lisa is good friends with Janey but they don't have much in common
@@fixedfunshow I think it's more "we need a friend for Lisa to talk to" and they just go for her first.
in one later episode, they show her with lisa viewing a jazz performance, which strikes me as odd bc they never mentioned that she liked jazz before or since
@@ashaler__ I guess Janey can light up and enjoy a jazz performance
@@fixedfunshow fair
I would love to see a Lindsey Negal episode. The emergence of her character and her predecessors was an interesting late 1990s development. The fact that the writers included a 1990s corporate speak executive women says a lot about the changes in the show, the writing room and the world at that time
I think it would be neat having a Simpsons history of all the pets the Simpsons have had over the years
Stampy is the real MVP
Ms. Hoover kinda baddie tho
The standadised test episode showcases why Hoover needed Edna to work, even though they don't even interact with each other.
They both don't like their job, but Edna overshares that while telling a story while Elizabeth just apatetically tells the class to wait for the bell when they finish.
And like, Edna still took pleasure on baiting and switching the kids with the test, while Hoover just did the assignment.
And the way they serve as a foil for not only the simpsons kids, but each other made Edna's vanishing all the more tragic.
Don't be so modest Lisa, you earned that A plus-plus-plus.”
"Actually, there are 4 pluses there.”
“No, that's Drambuie.”
This is the hill I'm dying on - Sherri and Terri, because the show is kinda stuck with them. They got a notable role in Homer's Odyssey but never really progressed from there. I'm always fascinated by the Simpsons characters who are locked into the fabric of the show but I could barely tell you anything about them, which is my favorite aspect of Simpsons Histories.
I had a teacher much like her, a science teacher when I was in high school and you could tell he lost his love for the job many many decades ago before he started teaching our class.
Jim: “we need a Miss Hoover renaissance”
Al Jean: “We’ve already done every possible joke with her”
*Jim slams his hand on Al’s*
Jim: “PERHAPS I’m not making myself clear. I think you should reconsider”
I'd like to see a simpsons histories on Judge Constance harm. I find it interesting how she was introduced during the middle era of the show and used for a few prominent roles, but then disappeared in the HD era. Not sure if there's another character like that.
Constance is especially interesting bc it lead to a huge change in another character, Judge Snyder: Because Constance Harm is so harsh and angry ala. Judge Judy, they softened the once-serious Snyder into a much sweeter person by comparison.
Nooooope. She didn't come along until after season 8, making her non-canon...
I feel a better Hoover centric episode would be her having to teach Ralph how to be a model student for some sort of academic contest, which could develop both characters.
Ms Hoover gets chosen in some teacher contest, is going to put lisa as her student to work with and Ralph’s name is mixed up instead. Episode is her making Ralph smarter.
Miss Hoover is probably the least fleshed out character in the Simpsons imo. Pretty much a standard teacher beaten down by the lifeless school system and yet the most memorable role she had was when Ms. Hoover slept with Bart in an futuristic episode
Eh, she is a perfectly cromulent character
Maggie, the neglected Simpsons family member needs her history. For a main character she's had so much less times when she's been relevent to the plot than your Moe's and your Skinner's, and possibly not even as many as Santa's Little Helper. Yet her highlights are so good, as she's gunned down the Springfield mob, might just be smarter than Lisa, defeated the scourge of Objectivist thinking, and she did shoot Mr. Burns after all.
This is due to the fact that shes a babie,theres only so many stories you can do whit a babie
@@davifernandopereiraborges5168how did you spell baby wrong the whole time
12:47 really smooth.
As for the next Simpsons Histories, I'm voting for Apu. He went through a lot of stuff during the series... he's probably the character with the most status quo changes now that I think about it?
Was so excited for this! Miss Hoover's always been one of my favorite Simpsons characters, and I really really wish the writers did more with her! Huge agree that she's an underutilized foil for both Lisa and Ralph these days.
Miss Hoover is a character I would love to see them develop more in the show
4:29 As a former educator, I can say that sometimes the Lisas can be as frustrating as the Ralphs to deal with in the classroom. ;-)
Good vid as always! Lindsey Naegle for Simpsons Histories next? I think it’s interesting how she kind of evolved out of nameless, similarly voiced ‘executive-type woman’ one-off characters that were used for awhile before we had one definitive named character for that kind of role. Also just in general I think it’d be interesting to look at characters introduced closer to halfway through the show’s run~
"Calm blue ocean" 😂😆😅 That scene has cracked me up for 30 years.
I wouldn't mind a Ralph or Chief Wiggum episode. It's always interesting to see how media portrayals of police tend to evolve as society changes.
Oh wow, you finally did it. Thanks so much!
Neat to know that Hoover finally got a spotlight episode in the HD era. Disappointing to know it didn't add any depth to her. It's always felt strange to me that Edna became such a prominent character in the show, and Hoover kinda stagnated in the C-listers. (though I guess the Maggie Roswell situation helps explain that) With any luck, we'll see more use of her going forward and she'll start to evolve more as a character.
As for who to see in the next Simpsons Histories video, I'm going to again suggest Eddie and Lou.
2 characters that initially were basically permanently linked with each other (ala Richard and Lewis, Lenny and Carl, etc) but now in the modern era, I genuinely can't think of the last time I have even seen Eddie appear in an episode as anything more than a background character, and any police scenes nowadays seem to just involve Lou and Wiggum. I can't help but wonder, what it was about Eddie that made him fade into the background and what made the writers decide to have Lou slowly shift towards being Wiggum's snarky sidekick.
Honestly Miss Hoover is one of my favourite Simpsons characters out of how purely relatable she is. She has a complete sense of apathy and basically zero passion for her job but at the same time knowing what she deals with on a day to day basis you can hardly really blame her. She's also fairly attractive for a simpsons character and honestly would seem like a cool person to hang out with if you shared a similar outlook. I have to admit she also reminds me of a teacher I had in high school who I sort of had a crush on, they dressed very similarly and was a miss as well which probably colours my perception somewhat.
Never had a teacher like her, but I always thought she was quite an attractive character too.
She kinda looks like those pre-makeover girls in 90's teenage romcoms that use the ugly duckling trope. A conventionally good looking girl/woman with just some out of fashion clothes, glasses and a bit of a plain hairstyle.
Do a video on Shelbyville next. It's practically a character in of itself
Ooh, seconding this! A look at how much we've seen of Shelbyville (and the less popular Ogdenville) over the years and how the use of Springfield's foil has changed would be awesome.
"What town did we just crush?" "Shelbyville." "YAAAYYYY!!!"
@@emSeq An episode about the about the nearby cities/towns near Springfield like Shelbyville, Ogdenville and Capitol City would be cool.
I love how two people have mentioned Ogdenville, but nobody has mentioned North Haverbrook. Have we ever even SEEN North Haverbrook on screen?
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I have to admit I always really hope that Miss Hoover would get a Renaissance in a form of a adult jaded Lisa type character because they both seem to have at least very active personalities that could lead to a really cool dynamic kind of like a cautionary tale for Lisa. Plus I always thought that Miss Hooper trying to deal with Ralph if not for the whole episode maybe a b plot would be hilarious
Maybe Hoover and Ralph get their own 6-minute short?
Great episode! I would still love a Simpsons Histories on Shelbyville in general.
How is Ms. Hoover not having fun even once every day? She literally slides down a hill on her way back home.
That means she's faking it. No that means she's crazy. Miss Hoover, actually it's little bit of both.
A little from column A, a little from column B.
"What is it with all these Bart and Ms. Hoover head jokes?"
I hate that I laughed so hard at that.
I'd love to see a skinner episode in the future- and not just because he's my favorite (although it does have a lot to do with it lol) but he's genuinely a very interesting guy, despite the show wanting you to think otherwise. he's also changed throught the entire show's run, it kinda feels like s1 skinner and current skinner is like, 2 different versions. also his relationship with his mom is weird as hell and the fact its implied he subconsciously wants to kill her is wild. theres a lot going on with this guy is what im trying to say lol
Finding a new TheRealJims video at the end of the day is a gift.
Likely influenced by the shot of his Lego version in the credits, I always found Mr Largo quite enigmatic as a kid. He seems like he never really became the character that the show initially thought he'd grow into. He even gets his own bit in the opening sequence. I think he'd be a good subject to focus on, though I have no idea what the show's done with him since the early 2000s.
I think Mr. Largo turned out being the least stereotypical gay character in the show.
Great video, Jims! I've always been fascinated by the characters that barely ever get used, even for background roles, but are mentioned throughout the series (ie: Comptroller Atkins, Scott Christian, Dave Shutton, The Winfields, etc.) Even characters like Charlie who is mainly a background character, but gets his own consistent name, voice, job, and relationships. I'd love to see a Simpsons histories about a few of these characters all wrapped up together.
I personally head cannon that Hoover was once a bright overachiever like Lisa, but her life didn't go how she wanted and she wound up with a teaching job she hates. So when she brushes Lisa off she's subconsciously trying to lessen what she sees as Lisa's inevitable disappointment and misery, since that's what happened to her.
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An interesting fun fact about her is that in LATAM it was really common for the translators to change the name of the characters either to make them more fitting with our culture or just because they wanted and in this case Hoover's last name was "Stricter" (as in strict) for a very long time which is weird because that's not a word i would use to describe her character (or maybe that was the joke who knows), she also had a very old sounding voice for most of her early-mid appearances despite looking younger than most of other teachers
Never stop making these videos
I don’t understand the writers’ reluctance to use Miss Hoover; she’s a perfectly cromulent character.
2:34 psychosomatic is when an illness or perceived injury such as a limp can be the result of mental health as opposed to actual injury/illness e.g. PTSD causing a limp when there is no injury to legs.
Dear miss Hoover, you have Lyme's disease, Kevin's biting me again. Here's a picture of a spyrokeet
There are some hints that Miss Hoover is an alcoholic. Possibly a recovering one that falls off the bandwagon a lot. She spills some on Lisa's test, falls asleep often, and we see her drinking more often when she isn't teaching.
There is also the time in Bart vs Lisa vs the Third Grade when introduced to their new teacher she describes Edna has a chain-smoker and acts out chugging a bottle when describing Miss Hoover.
I still think next Simpsons History should be on Comic Book Guy. I feel like there would be some interesting stuff there.
They pack so many amazing background details and gags into the school scenes - had to keep pausing for posters, boards, etc.
I am still nominating Sam and Larry and Sarah Wiggum to be covered eventually, but Ralph Wiggum's evolution is one that I find very interesting. He started out as an average child, became a bit estranged, and then devolved into what we always see of him. Not to mention that Season 1 has 2 Ralphs: 1 resembling his modern incarnation and one that was explicitly called in the DVD commemtary for Moaning Lisa.
I've been asking for/waiting on this for awhile, thank you so much.
As a kid I thought it was cute how thirsty for Apu she was. It allowed me to see a different sides of teachers. Somewhat humanizing.
I hope you take this compliment the way its intended: your videos are the perfect mindless entertainment
The only thing more impressive than her getting a focus episode 30 years later is that it wasn't about her living at the Simpson house
I just finished binge-watching all your Simpsons histories videos so this truly couldn't have come at a better time!
I would love to see an episode on Shauna. She is one of the later season additions, had a bit of a slow go, but became so ubiquitous. She’s had a stand out episode or two and is both one of Bart’s former love interests but also SUPERINTENDENT CHALMERS DAUGHTER. Not to mention SHES an addition to an already existing character trio. She’s like if the Simpsons just added another character to Moe’s bar line up.
*Supernintendo Chalmers
I love how embiggen and cromulent are just words now and nobody ever really seems to question it
Third best teacher in Springfield Elementary after Edna and Skinner.
Fourth if we count Willie.
Third best, yes. But Skinner's not a teacher. Mr. Wergstrom, however, was.
Another Simpsons Histories, another request for Disco Stu
I STILL BELIEVE!!!!
I always wondered, does Disco Stu actually like disco? I think the show gave multiple conflicting answers to that question and maybe you could get to the bottom of this
I think your strong suit is the more obscure characters, and weaving a narrative that fits their changing role in the show. This was one of my favorites in recent memory. I vote Frink, if only for his contributions to Frinkiac :D
The Sea Captain would be my pick for the next episode because he’s got that spark that makes me want to know more and less about him and I don’t really know what they’ve done with him in the modern episodes and to cap it off he’s just iconic
Hoover has always been an interesting character as she’s always been a prevalent side character but unlike the many others in the show, she never really received much focus in a plot. I’m glad you did an episode on her!
I like Ms. Hoover! She can sense Lisa's a teacher's pet and call her out on her bs!
I'd love to see one on Moe! He's my favorite, and it's because of his past struggles that got me to like him so much. I'm new to the Simpsons and am still making my way through the older seasons and haven't watch much of the new seasons, so I wanted to say thanks for creating this series! The Simpsons has a lot of depth to its characters and their histories, so it's great to see it so thoroughly explored! Thank you so much if you read this. Can't wait for the next character histories!
It'd be nice to see an episode on one of the less prominent wife characters, like Sarah Wiggum or Manjula. Idk if there's a whole lot to go off of for Sarah, but an episode on Manjula would be interesting.
Sarah Wiggum would pretty much be her spotlight episode she finally got in s32 and that's it. Manjula I feel would be depressing. This bright attractive woman in her first appearance, who then gets eight kids and an unfaithful husband who she gets incredibly, incredibly bitter about. Reasonable for her to do so but it doesn't exactly make her a 'fun' character to watch.
Love your work!
Throwing the suggestion that an itchy and scratchy histories episode could be fun and interesting.
Would love to see a histories on Sherri and Terry! I love the sort of obscure but not really characters.
Ms. Hoover is so weirdly interesting. I think had the simpsons taken a more sitcommy route, she would have taken off quite well.
This was great! She's one of those characters you don't often think about, but she's so well characterised in subtle ways. I'd love to see an episode about someone I do think about more though, Ralph Wiggum. I still don't fully understand him as a character, or to what extent he can be said to have a learning disorder, or whether the show is generally sympathetic to him, or how his intelligence fluctuates *massively*, he's just got so much going on that bears thinking about! Thanks for the great content and I can't wait to see what's next :D
After Marcia Wallace's passing, it seems like they'd use Miss Hoover more, but I dunno. Too many other characters, I guess.
It funny you mentioned a teacher Renaissance during this when they recently announced a new permanent teacher for Bart. Of course you film this way before that announcement but the timing of this episode and that announcement is hilarious. Good work as always
Moe had a pretty big status quo change, so I think now would be a good time for a Simpsons Histories on our favorite surly bartender. Or maybe after the seasons is over, just in case they do anything more with Moe and Maya.
Wiggum would also be an interesting pick, I noticed he's much more serious in the earlier seasons, I wonder exactly when he became the goof we know today and how him being Ralph's father changed him.
Although I'm also holding out hope for a Skinner or Burns episode in the future
I loved The Simpsons as a kid but I haven't watched it since, I think, 2008. I've had a serious hankering to dive back in. I stumbled on your vids today and they're great. I think I may just fire up the newer seasons I haven't ever watched.
I had a teacher like Ms. Hoover. Her name was Mrs. Andersen. She treated all of the smart children in her class like small adults. More like rivals than children she could/should inspire. It's been 30 years and she's one of the few teachers I remember and for all the wrong reasons. Maybe as a fully grown middle aged adult I can appraise Ms. Hoover separately from my long held negativity. I'm certainly inspired to try at least.
Personally I'd like to hear your take on Cletus and Brandine. I grew up poor in a large family and I think they could use a more critical take.
I would love an episode on Sarcastic Guy (the omnipresent store clerk who sounds like Charles Bronson).
Raphael is his name, though most of the time he’s simply ‘Wiseguy’.
Holy shit I choked on my lunch at the "what is with all these head-related Hoover and Bart jokes" when you showed those particular pictures.
I stand by my earlier nomination of Skinner, but I humbly request a 'Simpsons mysteries' on it if you can swing it since I am most interested in what kind of continuity (if any) can be gleaned from those sporadic extremely dark jokes. If there isn't enough for a whole mysteries episode, I would settle for a 'chapter' on it in a histories episode instead.
Isn’t skinner an impostor?
yeah, that too. That may lend some credence to the idea of him being a super dark character deep down. But for me the most interesting thing is that since I've been watching random episodes, Skinner (as we know him) just randomly tosses some REALLY dark subtext in a conversation and I'm curious exactly what it all adds up to. At first, I was like "haha he did a dark thing once maybe" but he does it way more than I realized and it's both terrifying and fascinating.
Mrs. Hoover said in "My Octopus and a Teacher" that she did have Bart two years ago...and it apparently wasn't pretty.
"Miss Hoover? are you goi-"
:drives away:
"GO HOME CHILDREN!"
I’d liked to see a Lou & Eddie Simpsons Histories episode, so many good moments from those two
Groundskeeper Willie did feature prominently in an episode recently. As did Martin! Maybe this was meant to be his farewell episode.
Blue-haired lawyer could make a good episode. We’ve seen him in many episodes, yet we don’t know his name.
I knew exactly where you were going w/ the" first appearance." On my own rewatch, "Brush with Greatness" also surprised me.