@@aygwm The C60 can handle a fair bit over the stock 192hp for ages, as long as it's maintained properly, if you still have the original oil in there after 250-300k km and 20+ years then yeah, you will get problems. The gear ratios are one thing that makes the cars engaging to drive, with a short shifter and all metal shifter bushings the shifts also feel really satisfying
@@tyreksimmons4167 As a owner of a 2000 celica, the transmission sometimes has issues shifting at high gear. I mainly have issues going from 2-3 just because i hesitate a little because of all the moneyshifting stories that circulate about this car/transmission. There is one main issue that i noticed in multiple transmissions, they all have synchro problems. if you dont rev-match perfectly, the car will punish you with a nice grind. This has happened with both transmissions ive had and in 3 of the cars ive test drove. Over all its not bad, like tom said, the short gearing is what allows this engine to shine
mathewceron4384 it could just be my slow shifting due to the trans resisting shifting after like 6000 rpm; but I never had a grinding problem. Again, you sound your much more experienced with manual cars than I am, and are able shift fast enough to achieve the condtion to grind gears between shifts.
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@@soupatroopuh3696 The NA L series? Nothing wrong, they are just not in any way impressive. Their fuel efficiency is similar to a K series, but with much less power. They are reliable, but so are most engines with proper care. The turbocharged L series has had issues with head gaskets and oil dilution and they have pretty limited tuning potential even in the Si, but again, with proper maintenance, most people won't have issues with them.
The 1.8L 7K was the most popular engine here in indonesia, with the carburated version being produced up until 2007 on the 4 speed manual kijang pickup. Unfortunately it is also one of the most terrible engines when it comes to fuel efficiency. It gets about the same fuel economy as a v6 engine (6-7km/l or 16mpg) while only making 82hp...
Good video the A series also has the 20 valve 4age which was the first toyota engine to use vvt. The 2zzge has toyotas version of vtec which has a noticable increase in power at 6200rpm both very reliable.
The 1AZ-FE in my mom's '01 RAV4 did not consume oil, but it developed a rod knock at 420k km. I swapped a 2AZ from a Camry in it, but didn't get it completely finished, as the head gasket was blown and my time went into moving houses. Not having the space to store that project is something I regret.
4AFE will always be my favorite. I had a 1993 Corolla and my friend has a 1992. with 440,000 miles, it ran fantastic and I had no doubts that it could make 1,000,000 if the new owner tries. It can also be revved to the moon 😂
Im restoring an AE92 GTS 4age. It has left me stranded once already with a bad alternator. I suspect the previous owner did not care for the car at all. I plan to boost it if the engine needs a rebuild. Dealing with oil and coolant leaks and it's not even close to 200k...
I was a technician at a Toyota dealer for 2.5 years and never heard of the zz piston rings being problematic. A few 2zz engines had failed oil pumps tho. Should’ve been S teir
I used to have Yaris GRMN, it had 2ZR-FE 1.8l supercharged engine (magnusson-eaton) with 212HP, watercooled intercoller from lotus elise, what a great engine, so eager to rev... Loved every moment...
AZ oil consumption issues, it's mainly year specific problem. the earliest iterations of these engines were just as stout and reliable as any toyota engine. Toyota did a mid cycle update that added low tesion piston rings causing all the oil burning. That being said i still do argee about the placement solely do the sheer amount of cars sold with the updated engine, and the with a range spanning so many years (in certain models) It deserves that spot on the list.
Earlier years had issues with the head bolts. Northstar Performance, known for bulletproofing Cadillac Northstar V8 engines also has a SureGrip kit for Toyota 2AZ-FE engines as well.
i used to deliver medical supplies for a living with a 2AZ xB that i stripped the interior out of after noticing that a windshield seal was leaking water into the floorboards... by the time i spun the bearings in it omw home one night it was drinking a solid quart a night (250-300 miles), barely smoked at all somehow 😂 it was such a fun car with the waterlogged interior gone, felt like a go kart for big kids
Just curious what tier should it be if it doesn't have that oil consumption/piston ring issue? My one was made in 2006 or little earlier in Australia, narrowly avoided stripping head bolts disaster and oil burning plague.
@@enchantereddie I would probably say B tier. It's a solid engine with decent fuel economy and power, but by no means were they built for performance. You see people adding force induction to scion TC's but u won't find many going past 300hp on stock internals.
all the early 2000s engines burn oil due to stuck piston rings, a piston soak with engine flush of b-12 over 24 hours will fix this 90% of the time. Look up this in Audi engines for example. This is coming from a 2zz owner
I'm surprised the ZR was placed so low. At least in its North American application in the Corolla, there were not really any major issues beyond the VVT-i cold start rattle in the early revisions and oil burning caused by poor maintenance.
Very few engines are truly flawed and can't last a long time IMO, some just are just more susceptible to damage from abuse and neglect than others. No engine with low tension piston rings (which is most engines from the 2000's on) responds well to dirty oil. Even the Honda K series will easily get stuck rings and start burning oil if it's not maintained properly. Really not the fault of the manufacturer IMO.
Same. ZR is a solid improvement over the ZZ. Whenever I see someone bring up reliability of the ZR it's typically because of documented issues with the Hybrid application.
S series engines go up to 2.2L (5s-fe) Their racing pedigree also stems from their multiple WRC wins. These things were legendary in wrc until toyota got banned.
@@redbonetony22Fun fact, the 5SFE in the 90s Camry has balance shafts. However the one in the Celica is identical but doesnt have balance shafts. Found tbis out when i swapped my Celicas's 5S with a junkyard camry 5S and the oil pans were incompatible.
I have the Dynamic Force engine in my C-HR. It has been my daily for the last 5 years and I have had zero issues. It has great fuel economy and predictable, linear power. I bought a Toyota TRD Air Intake Kit to squeeze more power out of the engine and with the bump in HP it feels like how this is how it should have come from the factory. I have had zero issues with the engine and it actually drives better now than when I bought it new.
The 18R and 2T-G has probably one of my favourite valve cover designs ever put on an internal combustion engine. Another thing to add, the 2ZR-FE was featured in the Auris TRD Edition. Sounds pretty good with the proper exhaust setup.
Can confirm that the 2zr fe engines are gutless from a racing standpoint but man do they sound good, also didn’t expect that series to be in d tier with how much they take a beating
the 3sge powered the altezza too (the JDM version of the lexus IS) in the rs200 trim, and i honestly think its so cool how different it is from the rest of the world, instead of 2-3 liter inline 6's, theres a 2 liter inline 4 that revs to 8k and gets 210 hp NA, just 10 less than the 2jz version. It's one of the coolest JDM exclusive car for me.
2ZZ is just a crazy engine for how conservative Toyota are, but when Yamaha gets involved, you KNOW you are getting something exceptional. I think at least the 2ZZ variant belongs in S-tier because of how extreme that redline is, fixes the oil burning of 1ZZ, and of course Lotus making it look like a jet thruster. I think I still like my 7M-GE more, but I've never remotely had a car with a motor as wild and driver involved as the 2ZZ.
The zz piston ring problem was caused by a 2$ pcv valve that would fail sticking open and allowing oil to get sacked up into the intake. This would then burn in the cylinder causing immense carbon build up and in turn causing the piston rings to stick. We have fixed multiple zz engines by simply replacing the valve with the updated part from toyota, then soaking the cylinders with sea foam and atf over night. Once the rings are freed up it stops consuming oil
The Dynamic Force is a great engine! Love it in my Camry, it’s got just about as much shove as my BMW N52 did while being so much more efficient.. makes a pretty decent noise for a 4 cylinder too! Plus being able to throw in 87 octane is nice. Definitely A tier engine, but if i had to change one thing id put the ZR engine in at least B tier, its still an improvement upon the ZZ
Over here in Australia we were lucky to get the ZZT Celica with the 2ZZ, which you can get for pretty cheap albeit with high K's but it just goes to show how reliable and fun that engine really is
I've got a 1zz in my manual pontiac vibe. made in 08, 160k miles, still kicking and doesn't burn a drop of oil. I plan to rebuild and boost the shit out of it when I've got a second car in a year or two.
As someone with a 2az motor, I love that thing because it's an absolute tank. I have redlined it countless times and driven it so hard even with 270k miles on it. That being said it absolutely burns an unholy amount of oil, putting me down a quart a week. Sometimes even a little more.
The 2zz is like the 7m of toyota 4s. People like to complain about them online because they don't know how to drive one. Its not a bullet proof engine. You need to wait 5 minutes for the car to warm up before driving and longer before engaging lift. People will money shift them then complain that it breaks the engine. I think the reason there is a lot more hate towards them has to do with the nature of the engine. It's extremely tempting to ride out gears to 8k. That makes people more likely to miss shift and blow them up. Especially since toyota manual shifters are sloppy and vague. If you were changing up at 4k then money shift, it would have enough range to keep the engine safe.
The 3SZ-VE in my Daihatsu Materia is a great engine. It's a wonderful car to own and drive with an engine that matches it's character perfectly. It is very willing and the vvti makes you feel sporty even though it's not that powerful. The chassis also is inspiring and it's strange stature only makes it more engaging! What a great car. It would ve great to see the nissan engines done as well. SR, CG, MA etc
The Dynamic Force is a great engine. Warms up fast, has lots of power, and gets great fuel economy. Had a 2ZR before it and there is no comparison. My '22 Corolla 6MT has a Borla Catback and a K&N typhoon intake with stock tune. Sounds great. I always thought it was a slow car but after doing a pull alongside a 2008ish BMW 328i Coupe and almost passing it (ran out of road) I am now convinced this engine is much better than I thought. Not surprised it is A-tier on this list.
My friend has a 2ZZ Celica and it's a brilliant engine when paired with the 6 speed manual. Very similar character to VTEC Civics with a high redline and aggressive valve lift changeover. The car itself also handles beautifully with just better tyres, coilovers and a thicker rear sway bar.
why is the AR B tier? Its a very reliable engine that is fully aluminum with very good head flow and wide angle VVT gears, its a known to make Honda K power by swapping the cams from the hybrid version and moving them a tooth for performance. Its very comparable to the A and S for its time. The AR is the 4 cylinder equivalent of the GR V6.
I was about to comment almost exactly this! The 2AR-FE, with the FXE cams can make really healthy power numbers, and thanks to the conservative compression ratio, they can make a ton of reliable power when a turbo is added. They are extremely stout, and as long as the oil is changed every five thousand miles, they will run nearly forever. It's not uncommon to see these with over 300k miles still running reliably. I think the only thing that holds this motor platform back was the lack of a turbo model on offer aside from the bizarre and fairly uncommon 8AR motor, which was scaled down to 1.8L and shares more in common with the SZ series than the AR.
AR is not good. It's entire valve train and internals are made of paper, the engine can't rev for crap, it's only big. The entire AR swap idea is a ploy by a company (Frakenstien Motorworks) trying to sell products. They are trash engines which is why 20 years ago no one tuned them when they were in the Tc. They didn't suddenly get better, someone wanted to sell gullable people a "cheaper kswap" by trying to be first to market with conversion parts.
Our 2AZ in our '04 RAV4 consumes absolutely no oil, surprisingly torquey especially off the line and decent MPGs..we have 200k miles and it is still going strong.
no modern toyota inline 4's in the S tier? yes, I can see how this vid will be controversial! perhaps doing it by series is a bit too broad to be useful? for instance, the 1zz is a totally different beast to the 2zz. still, it was an enjoyable and informative vid, cheers.
I agree on breaking down series, unfortunately in many cases it would make for ultra long videos with repetitive points where engine variants are just different displacement. I’ll look into breaking up ones that are quite different though. Thanks for the input and I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
The 1ZZ corolla that I have is still the car that I have driven. I bought it from facebook marketplace 2 years ago just so I have a relatively cheap car that I can cheaply maintain. It pulls really hard considering that it is automatic. More fun than my dad's 2017 impreza (cvt).
RIP the AZ series. My Mums Avensis Verso (Ipsum in other countries) has the 2L 145 hp version. Actually been rock solid for the past 21 years with no oil consumption issues at all.
Little correction, the toyota 88c was powered by a 3sgtM which was quite different to those found in road cars which use the 3sgtE in various revisions
Here is some trivia for the toyota K and T series. These engine can also be found in Philippine stainless jeep replicas. The K series for more efficient daily use and the T series for old school racing application
I believe the Y series (4Y) became one of the most prolific forklift engines, not mentioned in the applications of the Y series in the video. Dirt simple and intended to last forever, the 4Y block should outlast the attachments; mine needs a new distributer.
The RZ should be A tier if the ZZ and R is A tier. It is as reliable as the R series and makes more power. The only issue is burnt valve, preventable if you adjust the valves, and even if you don't it takes a long time to occur. People with the R series upgrade to the 3rz, which is enough said. And if the RZ is A tier, the TR is S tier. The TR is the RZ perfected, the valves are self adjusting. It has no common problems, and it most mechanics don't have experience replacing them. And both engines are cast iron, so they can be bored out for a 2nd life.
I had the 2012 toyota yaris with the 1.5 1NZ-FE engine, it was very reliable and never gave me trouble. Now i have the toyota yaris cross (SEA spec) with the 1.5 2NR-VEX hybrid engine which gives me 60 mpg
As a growing fanatic of JDM I appreciate this and I appreciate you gathering of research can’t wait for you to HONDA as my current dream car is the 10th gen Accord!
2RZ and 3RZ have some very nice modifiablity, while its more popular in Australia, its becoming more and more popular in north america. With simply a turbo, you can make 300hp+ on either of these engines. The 2RZ is known to handle boost better, likely because of the smaller stroke. But on the contrary, the 3rz has a forged crank and more displacement. Majority parts between these two motors are interchangeable. As far as I know, there is no major issues known with these. Over all I think the RZ would be an A tier at least.
As the happy owner of a 3ZZ-FE with 206 000km running E85 since it's 185 000km note that ZZ engine piston rings problems were corrected from 2004 to 2005 depending on the model. So latest ones are not impacted and are very reliable. Like every engine just remember to do basic maintenance like filter and oil every 10 000km maximum
Ok the RZ series was definately underrated in this video. They are the best light commercial vehicle engine Toyota made. In Australia they fetch a premium as they are very common to be built for performance applications, responding excellently to forced induction making heaps of power and torque. The 3rz is one of if not the best engine they ever put into a Hilux.
I will say the 1AZ-FSE has been proven to be incredibly tough and quite quick, my 06 Caldina has the engine and it screams to high rpm, really gets up and goes and keeps up with alot of cars, helps that I have a ganador exhaust and filter, it's proven to be really tough and handles being driven hard with 8000km oil changes
E series are beasts. Got a few with over 250K miles and the 4E-FTE can be pushed to 300 horsepower no biggie Def A tier at minimum The regular 4E-FE is pretty close to the 4A.
In Australia our 7th gen celicas only ever came with 2zz. Regularly see them beating 300000km with no real issues. I personally have never had an issue with my engine, although the heater core design will lead to overheating upon failure, since the coolant flow isn't controlled by valve.
yeah, my favorite two engine families are at the top, i knew at the beginning of the video "s" stood for s block but a blocks are just as good, but smaller. i would have added r blocks to the top or s tier but i understand. i drove a 3s-fe for 14 years. i miss that old camry.
I got an AR series on my '14 tC and I feel like I got lucky since it doesnt seem to have the oil burning issues, but man if I could just get it to 200+ HP it'd be my perfect daily
3S-GE Gen 5 BlackTop AT 86 x 86 mm, 11.5:1 comprassion ratio, 34.5 mm intake valves, 29.5 mm outake valves made of steel-alloy 197 hp @ 7000 rpm and 216 NM @ 4800
The only 2 litre naturally aspirated engine that can mach that torque output is the Mazda RF 2.0 G-184 with 181 hp @ 7000 and 205 NM @ 4000 but this engine is from 2018 and has a compression ratio of 13:1
ZZ is solid high A tier agreed. Better than AZ or ZR in terms of performance and reliability, but not quite as good as the S or A series b/c of their slightly finnicky reliability. They'll run for ages, but you gotta take care of them better than the old ones and can't beat on it quite as much. They also don't have quite the same power potential since they're not as good with boost.
I got 227k on the 2AZFE on an 07 RAV4. Did start burn oil at around 65k and got really bad close to 200k. I did a pistons soak with Berryman B12, and it has significantly reduced oil burning.
2ZZ owner here. Had a Celica with this engine, as far as it "hooked" me to the small, powerful 4-cylinder n/a engines, it's just not that good, especially when I switched to K20 in Civic Type-R. Most common problem with 2ZZ was when the lift system starts to kick in and gearing ratios - when you change from 1st to 2nd gear, engine are just below lift rpm range. It's also expensive (camshaft and lifters), hard to repair (MMC cylinder walls if they fail, that's basically a thrash engine), not really a lot of mods for them, and the standard ECU cannot be modified. It's a shame because after Celica, the Toyota ended the little battle with Honda in terms of fun FWD with around 200hp n/a engines.
I think the placement of the ZZ engines make sense, i own a 7th gen Celica GT-S which means i have the 2ZZ-GE, i have had no problems with it. on the other hand one of my friend has 7th gen GT that has the 1ZZ its pretty much a daily occurrence of something leaking oil or blowing up with his engine.
Eh, my brother has a stock 2RZ in his '86 pick-up putting down 350 to the rear tire with the help of e85 and 14lbs of boost. He's had more issues with finding a transmission or rear end to hold it than the engine itself. It actually made over 150 to the rear tire bone stock, but running on a Haltech Elite. The 22R really can't hold a candle to that engine in pretty much any way, they really aren't as "bullet proof" as been let on.
Only early 3zz have this problem. My car is a Corolla equipped with 3ZZ it has been running E85 for now 21 000km (with a Map) and it has 207 000km in total. And it's running like a charm
2ZZ owner here with 189k miles. I drive it to redline almost once every day it gets driven & the car will take it with no problems. No huge oil burning/consumption, only about half a quart per 3000 miles or between oil changes, which ain't too bad!
The first and only toyota i've owned is a '09 yaris. It's slow as hell, but man it's a stout little engine and it pushes 40mpg highway. Doesn't burn a drop of oil between 5k mi changes. I've put 60k on it so far with zero problems besides a $50 radiator replacement from rocks hitting it while driving to aggressive on gravel. I've beat the hell out of that car
its in the unique area where when you turbo it and double the atmospheric pressure it gains above award hp say 150 hp 1 bar and you put 2 bar in it will got to say 320 hp not 300 hp it wanted boost and over achieves on regular
@@jacksonbermingham2168 My brother has an '86 Pick-up with a boosted 2RZ making 350 to the rear wheels on E85. Nothing done to the 2RZ other than a Haltech Elite to run it and the boost.
I think the AZ series should be in the d tier fs, if it's never overheated, oil changed regularly, and it's pre 07 it's one of the most simplistic soild and cheap engines out there.
My 5S-FE drips and burns oil like fuel but it still runs like new with 260k miles. When it breaks I could get another one for $1000. It gets good fuel economy, sounds good and when I drive it, it makes me so happy I recently bought a 4A-GE to swap into an AW11. As a proud father of two, I couldn't have asked for more perfect children. They tell you what you want to hear, don't complain so long you as you feed them, and you don't have to change diapers. One day I may adopt a ZZ but a 2GR may be the only thing to ease my mourning in the eventual passing of my eldest son
i would just like to say that the nz series is a tank. theres just so many beat up vios taxis here in the philippines, like literally body panels falling off but the engines just dont die.
@@javman6022 Yup, I used to have a 2010 Matrix and used to track and abuse it to the point it of the brinks of it blowing up🤣 and all it asked for return was basic maintenance and tune ups (I still have it btw)
The 2ZZ-GE is one of the most fun engines of all time, reminds me of 90s era v-tech
It’s too bad it was never mated to a good transmission… except maybe in the Elise
@@aygwm The C60 can handle a fair bit over the stock 192hp for ages, as long as it's maintained properly, if you still have the original oil in there after 250-300k km and 20+ years then yeah, you will get problems. The gear ratios are one thing that makes the cars engaging to drive, with a short shifter and all metal shifter bushings the shifts also feel really satisfying
It could just be a thing with my transmission bc it's old, but i hear the c60 in known for not wanting to shift at high engine rpm. @tomboxyz5564
@@tyreksimmons4167 As a owner of a 2000 celica, the transmission sometimes has issues shifting at high gear. I mainly have issues going from 2-3 just because i hesitate a little because of all the moneyshifting stories that circulate about this car/transmission. There is one main issue that i noticed in multiple transmissions, they all have synchro problems. if you dont rev-match perfectly, the car will punish you with a nice grind. This has happened with both transmissions ive had and in 3 of the cars ive test drove. Over all its not bad, like tom said, the short gearing is what allows this engine to shine
mathewceron4384 it could just be my slow shifting due to the trans resisting shifting after like 6000 rpm; but I never had a grinding problem. Again, you sound your much more experienced with manual cars than I am, and are able shift fast enough to achieve the condtion to grind gears between shifts.
Idk why my original comment deleted, but could you do Honda next bro? Love the videos!
I'm a moderator for two different channels and I have my own channel separate from this channel. People's comments can be erased for several different reasons of course using certain words can get your message taken down but a moderator or the show's Creator can accidentally remove your comment I've had it happen and seen it happen quite a few times I highly doubt that he would take down a comment as simple as you asking for a Honda tier list. I hope he does one soon as well. 👍🏻
Just want to second this, a Honda tierlist would be choice
@@AwesomeBoss55what’s wrong with the L-series? I Personally haven’t had any reliability issues, but it’s only lacking power.
@@soupatroopuh3696 The NA L series? Nothing wrong, they are just not in any way impressive. Their fuel efficiency is similar to a K series, but with much less power. They are reliable, but so are most engines with proper care. The turbocharged L series has had issues with head gaskets and oil dilution and they have pretty limited tuning potential even in the Si, but again, with proper maintenance, most people won't have issues with them.
Should do a Mazda I4 list too. They had some banger engines that handle boost very well.
Finally! Someone referring to an inline-4 as an inline-4 and not a "four cylinder".
I’ve owned a few Subarus, since then I always distinguish
“Yeah bro I have a K series in my 70’s Corolla”
“No way bro that’s sick!!”
*the K series* @2:57
The 1.8L 7K was the most popular engine here in indonesia, with the carburated version being produced up until 2007 on the 4 speed manual kijang pickup.
Unfortunately it is also one of the most terrible engines when it comes to fuel efficiency.
It gets about the same fuel economy as a v6 engine (6-7km/l or 16mpg) while only making 82hp...
🤣
Yep the 1 and only REAL K series is this Toyota version
Good video the A series also has the 20 valve 4age which was the first toyota engine to use vvt. The 2zzge has toyotas version of vtec which has a noticable increase in power at 6200rpm both very reliable.
The 1AZ-FE in my mom's '01 RAV4 did not consume oil, but it developed a rod knock at 420k km. I swapped a 2AZ from a Camry in it, but didn't get it completely finished, as the head gasket was blown and my time went into moving houses. Not having the space to store that project is something I regret.
4AFE will always be my favorite. I had a 1993 Corolla and my friend has a 1992. with 440,000 miles, it ran fantastic and I had no doubts that it could make 1,000,000 if the new owner tries. It can also be revved to the moon 😂
I still have a 4AFE manual Corolla. I'm never selling that thing; it's the only vehicle that has never left me stranded and is fun to drive.
I have a 1990 AE92 corolla with 1st gen 4afe
Im restoring an AE92 GTS 4age. It has left me stranded once already with a bad alternator. I suspect the previous owner did not care for the car at all. I plan to boost it if the engine needs a rebuild. Dealing with oil and coolant leaks and it's not even close to 200k...
Yo I just bought a 1992 toyota corolla with 440,000 miles?
I was a technician at a Toyota dealer for 2.5 years and never heard of the zz piston rings being problematic. A few 2zz engines had failed oil pumps tho. Should’ve been S teir
Yeah those open floored oil pans will definitely starve those engines :(
Switching to a 1zz pan or that morosso (spelling) pan fixes this
Ive had a 3zz-fe engine eat its rings at 205tkm. -01 Avensis
My 1zz ate rings on mr2😢
You'd need to work there a few more years to see those 😂
The 2ZZ also featured in the Toyota Corolla and Matrix XRS as well as the Pontiac Vibe GT. It ran up to 8,200 RPM in those applications as well.
I used to have Yaris GRMN, it had 2ZR-FE 1.8l supercharged engine (magnusson-eaton) with 212HP, watercooled intercoller from lotus elise, what a great engine, so eager to rev... Loved every moment...
AZ oil consumption issues, it's mainly year specific problem. the earliest iterations of these engines were just as stout and reliable as any toyota engine. Toyota did a mid cycle update that added low tesion piston rings causing all the oil burning.
That being said i still do argee about the placement solely do the sheer amount of cars sold with the updated engine, and the with a range spanning so many years (in certain models) It deserves that spot on the list.
Earlier years had issues with the head bolts. Northstar Performance, known for bulletproofing Cadillac Northstar V8 engines also has a SureGrip kit for Toyota 2AZ-FE engines as well.
i used to deliver medical supplies for a living with a 2AZ xB that i stripped the interior out of after noticing that a windshield seal was leaking water into the floorboards... by the time i spun the bearings in it omw home one night it was drinking a solid quart a night (250-300 miles), barely smoked at all somehow 😂 it was such a fun car with the waterlogged interior gone, felt like a go kart for big kids
Just curious what tier should it be if it doesn't have that oil consumption/piston ring issue? My one was made in 2006 or little earlier in Australia, narrowly avoided stripping head bolts disaster and oil burning plague.
even with the oil burning, the engine is very reliable as long as it got oil in it
@@enchantereddie I would probably say B tier. It's a solid engine with decent fuel economy and power, but by no means were they built for performance. You see people adding force induction to scion TC's but u won't find many going past 300hp on stock internals.
My biggest ever regret is selling my Corolla Sportivo, man. That little 2ZZ brought me so much joy
1999-2002 1ZZ burns oil,
2003+ 1ZZ is the bulletproof version.
300K+ miles on my daily 2003 MR2-S
As a victim of a 2001 Corolla I can verify this
I have a 03 vibe with a 2zz I love it it’s my favorite shit box so far
all the early 2000s engines burn oil due to stuck piston rings, a piston soak with engine flush of b-12 over 24 hours will fix this 90% of the time. Look up this in Audi engines for example. This is coming from a 2zz owner
I'm surprised the ZR was placed so low. At least in its North American application in the Corolla, there were not really any major issues beyond the VVT-i cold start rattle in the early revisions and oil burning caused by poor maintenance.
Very few engines are truly flawed and can't last a long time IMO, some just are just more susceptible to damage from abuse and neglect than others. No engine with low tension piston rings (which is most engines from the 2000's on) responds well to dirty oil. Even the Honda K series will easily get stuck rings and start burning oil if it's not maintained properly. Really not the fault of the manufacturer IMO.
Same. ZR is a solid improvement over the ZZ. Whenever I see someone bring up reliability of the ZR it's typically because of documented issues with the Hybrid application.
S series engines go up to 2.2L (5s-fe)
Their racing pedigree also stems from their multiple WRC wins. These things were legendary in wrc until toyota got banned.
The reason they were banned is also legendary.
For cheating... lul.
and the only s blocks with balancer shafts.
@@redbonetony22Fun fact, the 5SFE in the 90s Camry has balance shafts. However the one in the Celica is identical but doesnt have balance shafts. Found tbis out when i swapped my Celicas's 5S with a junkyard camry 5S and the oil pans were incompatible.
22re not being s tier is a crime
It’s slightly superior 2RZ and 3RZ being B tier is a felony
As someone who swapped a 3RZ into a naturally 22r vehicle, I agree and think the rz should also be in A tier.
I have an 04 Matrix with a 1zz-fe and it really is a great engine. Im currently at 275,000 miles.
I have the Dynamic Force engine in my C-HR. It has been my daily for the last 5 years and I have had zero issues. It has great fuel economy and predictable, linear power. I bought a Toyota TRD Air Intake Kit to squeeze more power out of the engine and with the bump in HP it feels like how this is how it should have come from the factory. I have had zero issues with the engine and it actually drives better now than when I bought it new.
The 18R and 2T-G has probably one of my favourite valve cover designs ever put on an internal combustion engine. Another thing to add, the 2ZR-FE was featured in the Auris TRD Edition. Sounds pretty good with the proper exhaust setup.
Can confirm that the 2zr fe engines are gutless from a racing standpoint but man do they sound good, also didn’t expect that series to be in d tier with how much they take a beating
the 3sge powered the altezza too (the JDM version of the lexus IS) in the rs200 trim, and i honestly think its so cool how different it is from the rest of the world, instead of 2-3 liter inline 6's, theres a 2 liter inline 4 that revs to 8k and gets 210 hp NA, just 10 less than the 2jz version. It's one of the coolest JDM exclusive car for me.
This is one of my favourite top list of automotive stuff on all youtube! Thank you for you work, please, keep on going! With love, from Russia :)
Much appreciated, thank you!
the S-series of engines is missing the Altezza in the car lineup
No mention of Yamaha's contribution to the BEAMs 3sge... Great video regardless but the 3sge deserves its own breakdown over its own generations
Just about to comment the same haha
I, too, noticed this. Glad I'm not the only one.
2ZZ is just a crazy engine for how conservative Toyota are, but when Yamaha gets involved, you KNOW you are getting something exceptional.
I think at least the 2ZZ variant belongs in S-tier because of how extreme that redline is, fixes the oil burning of 1ZZ, and of course Lotus making it look like a jet thruster.
I think I still like my 7M-GE more, but I've never remotely had a car with a motor as wild and driver involved as the 2ZZ.
The zz piston ring problem was caused by a 2$ pcv valve that would fail sticking open and allowing oil to get sacked up into the intake. This would then burn in the cylinder causing immense carbon build up and in turn causing the piston rings to stick. We have fixed multiple zz engines by simply replacing the valve with the updated part from toyota, then soaking the cylinders with sea foam and atf over night. Once the rings are freed up it stops consuming oil
The Dynamic Force is a great engine! Love it in my Camry, it’s got just about as much shove as my BMW N52 did while being so much more efficient.. makes a pretty decent noise for a 4 cylinder too! Plus being able to throw in 87 octane is nice. Definitely A tier engine, but if i had to change one thing id put the ZR engine in at least B tier, its still an improvement upon the ZZ
AR series should be A tier at least
The power potential is crazy
Over here in Australia we were lucky to get the ZZT Celica with the 2ZZ, which you can get for pretty cheap albeit with high K's but it just goes to show how reliable and fun that engine really is
I've got a 1zz in my manual pontiac vibe. made in 08, 160k miles, still kicking and doesn't burn a drop of oil. I plan to rebuild and boost the shit out of it when I've got a second car in a year or two.
you forgot the diesels, they may not have lots of hp but they got tons of torque and are really reliable too... theyre toyotas after all
My Corolla has a 2ZR-FAE and it’s got 117k miles with 0 issues and it’s tuned making 200hp with 0 issues
As someone with a 2az motor, I love that thing because it's an absolute tank. I have redlined it countless times and driven it so hard even with 270k miles on it. That being said it absolutely burns an unholy amount of oil, putting me down a quart a week. Sometimes even a little more.
The 2zz is like the 7m of toyota 4s. People like to complain about them online because they don't know how to drive one. Its not a bullet proof engine. You need to wait 5 minutes for the car to warm up before driving and longer before engaging lift. People will money shift them then complain that it breaks the engine. I think the reason there is a lot more hate towards them has to do with the nature of the engine. It's extremely tempting to ride out gears to 8k. That makes people more likely to miss shift and blow them up. Especially since toyota manual shifters are sloppy and vague. If you were changing up at 4k then money shift, it would have enough range to keep the engine safe.
I really like this analogy to the 7M and totally agree!
My 2zz has 298,000 miles
@@korbendallas9876 mine has about 165k currently replacing the timing cover gasket because of leaks
The 3SZ-VE in my Daihatsu Materia is a great engine. It's a wonderful car to own and drive with an engine that matches it's character perfectly. It is very willing and the vvti makes you feel sporty even though it's not that powerful. The chassis also is inspiring and it's strange stature only makes it more engaging!
What a great car.
It would ve great to see the nissan engines done as well. SR, CG, MA etc
Bro this channel is extremely underated
The Dynamic Force is a great engine. Warms up fast, has lots of power, and gets great fuel economy. Had a 2ZR before it and there is no comparison. My '22 Corolla 6MT has a Borla Catback and a K&N typhoon intake with stock tune. Sounds great. I always thought it was a slow car but after doing a pull alongside a 2008ish BMW 328i Coupe and almost passing it (ran out of road) I am now convinced this engine is much better than I thought. Not surprised it is A-tier on this list.
The M20A-FKS has been a sweet engine in my opinion, got it in 22 and it’s taken a lot of brutality
My friend has a 2ZZ Celica and it's a brilliant engine when paired with the 6 speed manual. Very similar character to VTEC Civics with a high redline and aggressive valve lift changeover. The car itself also handles beautifully with just better tyres, coilovers and a thicker rear sway bar.
why is the AR B tier? Its a very reliable engine that is fully aluminum with very good head flow and wide angle VVT gears, its a known to make Honda K power by swapping the cams from the hybrid version and moving them a tooth for performance. Its very comparable to the A and S for its time. The AR is the 4 cylinder equivalent of the GR V6.
I was about to comment almost exactly this! The 2AR-FE, with the FXE cams can make really healthy power numbers, and thanks to the conservative compression ratio, they can make a ton of reliable power when a turbo is added. They are extremely stout, and as long as the oil is changed every five thousand miles, they will run nearly forever. It's not uncommon to see these with over 300k miles still running reliably.
I think the only thing that holds this motor platform back was the lack of a turbo model on offer aside from the bizarre and fairly uncommon 8AR motor, which was scaled down to 1.8L and shares more in common with the SZ series than the AR.
@@MalcomHeavy Great minds think alike hehehe 😎
AR is not good. It's entire valve train and internals are made of paper, the engine can't rev for crap, it's only big. The entire AR swap idea is a ploy by a company (Frakenstien Motorworks) trying to sell products. They are trash engines which is why 20 years ago no one tuned them when they were in the Tc. They didn't suddenly get better, someone wanted to sell gullable people a "cheaper kswap" by trying to be first to market with conversion parts.
Our 2AZ in our '04 RAV4 consumes absolutely no oil, surprisingly torquey especially off the line and decent MPGs..we have 200k miles and it is still going strong.
Good to hear, sounds perfect!
Cant wait for Citroen V16 tierlist
The 1zz piston rings were only really an issue before 2003, and even less of an issue after 2005.
Nice video and subbed! Will you include VW, Honda and other manufacturers in the inline 4 series.
Boosted EA113 and EA888 keeping the flag high
i had a 01 celica gts (2zz-ge) and i am IN LOVE i want another one. 10/10 engine
Love the 2.7 3rz and 22re both super reliable inline 4 engines
All of the forklifts at my work have 4Ys in them with 35,000+ hours, absolutely immortal engines.
no modern toyota inline 4's in the S tier? yes, I can see how this vid will be controversial! perhaps doing it by series is a bit too broad to be useful? for instance, the 1zz is a totally different beast to the 2zz. still, it was an enjoyable and informative vid, cheers.
I agree on breaking down series, unfortunately in many cases it would make for ultra long videos with repetitive points where engine variants are just different displacement. I’ll look into breaking up ones that are quite different though. Thanks for the input and I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
The 1ZZ corolla that I have is still the car that I have driven. I bought it from facebook marketplace 2 years ago just so I have a relatively cheap car that I can cheaply maintain. It pulls really hard considering that it is automatic. More fun than my dad's 2017 impreza (cvt).
RIP the AZ series. My Mums Avensis Verso (Ipsum in other countries) has the 2L 145 hp version. Actually been rock solid for the past 21 years with no oil consumption issues at all.
The 2ZZ-GE in my Elise revs to 8500RPM. With the Sector 111 oil pan starvation even on track is not an issue.
Little correction, the toyota 88c was powered by a 3sgtM which was quite different to those found in road cars which use the 3sgtE in various revisions
Here is some trivia for the toyota K and T series. These engine can also be found in Philippine stainless jeep replicas. The K series for more efficient daily use and the T series for old school racing application
Really fascinating, thanks for sharing
I believe the Y series (4Y) became one of the most prolific forklift engines, not mentioned in the applications of the Y series in the video. Dirt simple and intended to last forever, the 4Y block should outlast the attachments; mine needs a new distributer.
Thanks for sharing I totally missed that!
The RZ should be A tier if the ZZ and R is A tier. It is as reliable as the R series and makes more power. The only issue is burnt valve, preventable if you adjust the valves, and even if you don't it takes a long time to occur. People with the R series upgrade to the 3rz, which is enough said.
And if the RZ is A tier, the TR is S tier. The TR is the RZ perfected, the valves are self adjusting. It has no common problems, and it most mechanics don't have experience replacing them. And both engines are cast iron, so they can be bored out for a 2nd life.
3RZ is gods motor😂 should have been higher
I had the 2012 toyota yaris with the 1.5 1NZ-FE engine, it was very reliable and never gave me trouble. Now i have the toyota yaris cross (SEA spec) with the 1.5 2NR-VEX hybrid engine which gives me 60 mpg
As a growing fanatic of JDM I appreciate this and I appreciate you gathering of research can’t wait for you to HONDA as my current dream car is the 10th gen Accord!
Much appreciated, thanks for watching!
20R and 22R should have been in the S tier.
The RZ's are better in every way.
1NZ is literally immortal i have seen 20 years old Yaris running with no issues
My 1nz fe has 288k miles original. 2008 yaris
2RZ and 3RZ have some very nice modifiablity, while its more popular in Australia, its becoming more and more popular in north america. With simply a turbo, you can make 300hp+ on either of these engines. The 2RZ is known to handle boost better, likely because of the smaller stroke. But on the contrary, the 3rz has a forged crank and more displacement. Majority parts between these two motors are interchangeable. As far as I know, there is no major issues known with these. Over all I think the RZ would be an A tier at least.
As the happy owner of a 3ZZ-FE with 206 000km running E85 since it's 185 000km note that ZZ engine piston rings problems were corrected from 2004 to 2005 depending on the model. So latest ones are not impacted and are very reliable. Like every engine just remember to do basic maintenance like filter and oil every 10 000km maximum
Ok the RZ series was definately underrated in this video. They are the best light commercial vehicle engine Toyota made. In Australia they fetch a premium as they are very common to be built for performance applications, responding excellently to forced induction making heaps of power and torque. The 3rz is one of if not the best engine they ever put into a Hilux.
I will say the 1AZ-FSE has been proven to be incredibly tough and quite quick, my 06 Caldina has the engine and it screams to high rpm, really gets up and goes and keeps up with alot of cars, helps that I have a ganador exhaust and filter, it's proven to be really tough and handles being driven hard with 8000km oil changes
E series are beasts. Got a few with over 250K miles and the 4E-FTE can be pushed to 300 horsepower no biggie
Def A tier at minimum
The regular 4E-FE is pretty close to the 4A.
And here i was wondering about an i4 list look at my feed and there it is
In Australia our 7th gen celicas only ever came with 2zz. Regularly see them beating 300000km with no real issues. I personally have never had an issue with my engine, although the heater core design will lead to overheating upon failure, since the coolant flow isn't controlled by valve.
A few mistakes here and there but overall a good broad look at these engines. Keep up the good work man!
yeah, my favorite two engine families are at the top, i knew at the beginning of the video "s" stood for s block but a blocks are just as good, but smaller. i would have added r blocks to the top or s tier but i understand. i drove a 3s-fe for 14 years. i miss that old camry.
Another great video another one where my 2.5 is in there great work
Much appreciated!
Another thing to note about the ZZ family, they have a tendency to make their oil pickup gear explode in cases of excessive rpm.
I got an AR series on my '14 tC and I feel like I got lucky since it doesnt seem to have the oil burning issues, but man if I could just get it to 200+ HP it'd be my perfect daily
Yee my lil 4efe may not be the fastest but i hope it will stay reliable for the next 300k km
3S-GE Gen 5 BlackTop AT 86 x 86 mm, 11.5:1 comprassion ratio, 34.5 mm intake valves, 29.5 mm outake valves made of steel-alloy 197 hp @ 7000 rpm and 216 NM @ 4800
The only 2 litre naturally aspirated engine that can mach that torque output is the Mazda RF 2.0 G-184 with 181 hp @ 7000 and 205 NM @ 4000 but this engine is from 2018 and has a compression ratio of 13:1
The y series is still used in the forklift world. It's a pretty solid engine.
The 3sge also came in the toyota altezza. I have a manual one and the feel of that car is amazing. Gonna swap it to the gte version tho
Do Honda 4 cylinder engine tier list next.
ZZ is solid high A tier agreed. Better than AZ or ZR in terms of performance and reliability, but not quite as good as the S or A series b/c of their slightly finnicky reliability. They'll run for ages, but you gotta take care of them better than the old ones and can't beat on it quite as much. They also don't have quite the same power potential since they're not as good with boost.
I got 227k on the 2AZFE on an 07 RAV4. Did start burn oil at around 65k and got really bad close to 200k. I did a pistons soak with Berryman B12, and it has significantly reduced oil burning.
got a 4age shilvertop and she's amazing to drive (ae101 trueno)
I have a 4efte in my glanza v its amazing they sound great for a tiny engine
2ZZ owner here. Had a Celica with this engine, as far as it "hooked" me to the small, powerful 4-cylinder n/a engines, it's just not that good, especially when I switched to K20 in Civic Type-R. Most common problem with 2ZZ was when the lift system starts to kick in and gearing ratios - when you change from 1st to 2nd gear, engine are just below lift rpm range. It's also expensive (camshaft and lifters), hard to repair (MMC cylinder walls if they fail, that's basically a thrash engine), not really a lot of mods for them, and the standard ECU cannot be modified. It's a shame because after Celica, the Toyota ended the little battle with Honda in terms of fun FWD with around 200hp n/a engines.
I didn't realize zr engines had such a bad oil burning problem, the 2zr in my 2010 corolla didn't burn a drop of oil
Nice, it may not be all variants, just some within the family. I wonder if maintenance quality makes a difference too. Thanks for watching!
It was only the ealier years. They fixed that and the VVT rattle issue later. The earlier ones gave the engine a less than spectacular reputation.
Love the series, German I4 please!
I think the placement of the ZZ engines make sense, i own a 7th gen Celica GT-S which means i have the 2ZZ-GE, i have had no problems with it. on the other hand one of my friend has 7th gen GT that has the 1ZZ its pretty much a daily occurrence of something leaking oil or blowing up with his engine.
I am here today speaking as a 3ZZ-FE engine piston-ring failure survivor. Went 2001 engine 205tkm and pistonrings gone.
Eh, my brother has a stock 2RZ in his '86 pick-up putting down 350 to the rear tire with the help of e85 and 14lbs of boost. He's had more issues with finding a transmission or rear end to hold it than the engine itself. It actually made over 150 to the rear tire bone stock, but running on a Haltech Elite. The 22R really can't hold a candle to that engine in pretty much any way, they really aren't as "bullet proof" as been let on.
Interesting info, thanks for sharing
The Zz, mainly the 3zz with the oiling issue, 2zz not really a problem
Ive heard it is a problem, just not as big
The 1zz till about 2005
Only early 3zz have this problem. My car is a Corolla equipped with 3ZZ it has been running E85 for now 21 000km (with a Map) and it has 207 000km in total. And it's running like a charm
2ZZ owner here with 189k miles. I drive it to redline almost once every day it gets driven & the car will take it with no problems. No huge oil burning/consumption, only about half a quart per 3000 miles or between oil changes, which ain't too bad!
Why was I expecting more? And more of what exactly I dont know
Not sure, a lot of these engines are similar story though, reliable not a lot of power. Tried my best to make it interesting, thanks for watching
The ARs also landed themselves in the matrix. Great for building power
The first and only toyota i've owned is a '09 yaris. It's slow as hell, but man it's a stout little engine and it pushes 40mpg highway. Doesn't burn a drop of oil between 5k mi changes. I've put 60k on it so far with zero problems besides a $50 radiator replacement from rocks hitting it while driving to aggressive on gravel. I've beat the hell out of that car
3rz is s tier. has lots of after market push good power figures
its in the unique area where when you turbo it and double the atmospheric pressure it gains above award hp say 150 hp 1 bar and you put 2 bar in it will got to say 320 hp not 300 hp it wanted boost and over achieves on regular
@@jacksonbermingham2168 My brother has an '86 Pick-up with a boosted 2RZ making 350 to the rear wheels on E85. Nothing done to the 2RZ other than a Haltech Elite to run it and the boost.
I think the AZ series should be in the d tier fs, if it's never overheated, oil changed regularly, and it's pre 07 it's one of the most simplistic soild and cheap engines out there.
I think you mean shouldn’t be there, but valid points. Thanks for watching
Simplicity and quality are the keys.
Those E series engines for a cheap run arround shitbox are amazing and so cheap and easy to repair, they can run 40% low on oil and be fine
Sounds like a good deal of fun with no worries, can’t argue with that
Now we finally know which zz is top
My 5S-FE drips and burns oil like fuel but it still runs like new with 260k miles. When it breaks I could get another one for $1000. It gets good fuel economy, sounds good and when I drive it, it makes me so happy I recently bought a 4A-GE to swap into an AW11. As a proud father of two, I couldn't have asked for more perfect children. They tell you what you want to hear, don't complain so long you as you feed them, and you don't have to change diapers. One day I may adopt a ZZ but a 2GR may be the only thing to ease my mourning in the eventual passing of my eldest son
2GR is sooo good, but maintenance is tough :/
I got the 1szFE in my little yaris, reliable as usual and "fun" if you push it to red line ( 900kg on the scale ). I'm sad for the C tier 😢
i would just like to say that the nz series is a tank. theres just so many beat up vios taxis here in the philippines, like literally body panels falling off but the engines just dont die.
K Series Diesels ❤ 2kd and 1kd
2ZR FE being in D tier must be a crime
The later years of the 2ZR-FE is a A tier at minimum if not S tier.
@@javman6022 Yup, I used to have a 2010 Matrix and used to track and abuse it to the point it of the brinks of it blowing up🤣 and all it asked for return was basic maintenance and tune ups (I still have it btw)
Can you make a japanese 3 cylinder tier list