6.5 NEEDS-MORE | Flavio Fare and Tubb Duo Springs | #8
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Pretty soon the only original parts left are going to be the action screws. 🤣
Do you mean that they haven't already upgraded to torx heads yet? Must have improvement. 😄
In essence, the Big Green R is not what it used to be!!!
@@Joel-vt9mh not for over 30 years. Thry sood so much trash in the 90’s and till they finally went tits up
As one of my own experiments, I put a shilen full bull barrel on a Savage Axis action and in oryx chassis. It is 6.5 Creedmoor and with hand loads it is usually under 0.5 MOA. I feel like I put lipstick on a pig 🤣. But this is an awesome series!!!
It has been a rare pleasure to watch a channel where logic and precision are the concerns. Instead of mag dumps.
Although at 1000 yards, I have to take it on faith that there's even a target out there.
Yes, I really needed some more of the need more series.
Love this series!
Get it done, you both have a lot of fun...Erik thanks for the brake
Trigger tech special is the first level. To me they feel just as nice but they just don't adjust as low. Absolutely perfect for hunting rifles.
It's impressive that the rifle that is clearly the worse shooter head to head straightens up completely after the tuner is dialed in.
Erik is spot on. If you get to the point where it takes spending 3 or 4 times as much on accessories as the rifle cost to get it to shoot, there's no reason not to go the custom route.
I really like the stepwise approach, and then prioritize the "value add" for each change.
Erik you are the master of the rifle to me!! I’m going to buy the tuner brake asap
First 2 things I do are MDT chassis, and EC tuner brake. I run Savage actions, so trigger options are limited. Rifle Basix makes a good one, but I tune the Accu Trigger as light as I can and live with the 1-1 1/2 lb pull.
This is why I just go custom. Found out the hard way. Great videos.
Thanks guys. This makes me feel a lot better about the track I'm on. Good upgrade ideas though.
12:40 I will say my 700 that my grandfather gave to me for my first deer rifle is actually really nice. BUT... its a remington 700 from the early 80s. The fit and finish of it is leap and bounds better than the modern 700s
So, I really appreciate these tests and you have affirmed my thoughts on improving my Savage 110 Mdl. 10. I am on a budget, so it will take a bit to complete. I will order the Oryx first to get rid of the Savage stock and lighten the overall weight of the rifle. I have always had a heavy trigger, so the accu-trigger is adjustable and seems very light to me. I will go with it for awhile. Not sure of the meaning of the spring kit? Lastly, I will be ordering a tuner brake as soon as funds will allow. That leaves me with ammo and not being set up to reload, so I will have to rely on finding a factory load that this rifle likes.
6.5 needs more is a good show.
I want the cheap one that shoots bug holes. So now they have the same chassis so they're both "comfy" to shoot. I say slug the barrels, cast the chambers, to see what the difference between the rifles is and call the series good. Trigger job on the cheap rifle may make it as good as the $500 trigger. I'm keeping the garbage stock. With all the new stuff on the custom rifle you could call it a Harley as there's no stock stuff on the whole rifle. Thanks for the great series. I look forward to every one of them.
in the rainforests of the PNW, the AtlasWorx knurled bolt knob is my first upgrade for any bolt rifle. especially the tikka knobs are very slippery when wet. i know this isn't an issue down in TX.
Done lotta TX deer hunting in late Fall mist / sprinkles / rain.
Bolt handle you can get your paw around matters. Good practice ime to cycle the bolt immediately following a shot. An animal isn't always DRT. When it is, having another round chambered hurts nothing. Safe your weapon by opening the action, depressing the top round with your thumb & starting the bolt, or drop the mag if so equipped.
Looking forward to the remage install and test.
Stickers also improve accuracy!!! The rarer the sticker the more accuracy you build into the gun!!!
I say put TriggerTech trigger on the 'stock' one. That should help it catch up to the other one.
I would love to see a standard receiver vs. full blueprint receiver vs. a faced and lapped lugs receiver.
Isn't lapping like 1950's? Machine leveling bolt lugs and receiver lags faces. Also.....if you have a factory barrel off, why wouldn't you do that and fore end and threads and boltface? That is pretty cheap....gets more expensive to bore action and sleave bolt, do ejector and extractor.....pinning larger recoil lug! Fluting bolt, threading bolt handle and custom handle. Now you should have bought a custom action!!!
receiver ring
receiver lugs
minor diameter of the the receiver threads
receiver threads
front and rear faces of the bolt lugs
bolt nose
bolt face
Load development will be fun to see
Maybe have one of the actions trued instead of getting a custom action.
Nice to know expensive means nothing. Kudos on your tuner break making such a difference.
I always thought that the Barrel and bullets made all the difference. Seems your tuner takes the barrel out of the equation.
I like your need more series
Remington trigger is always the first one to go for me
been building a budget gun a little at a time. done a full bedding job, barrel is full floating. I've also filled the hollow buttstock area to add some weight. compared to when I got it, it's a totally different rifle. ( Remington 783 in 308 I received in trade for doing some work for a friend) not expecting to compete with it....just wanted to see how far I can improve it on a budget.
How's that rifle shooting?
Definitely hand load very interested
You are funny, lol. I'll be buying your tuner brake soon for a rifle to test it out. It'd better work
Fragile. Guiseley, must be French Christmas story reference made milk come out my nose 😂
Yes... more ammo!
Nice to see a review where the guy can actually work a trigger 😆
What scope are you using on them?
Please handload first. Most people have to use factory Barrels and do handloads. Thats really interessting what steps you do in these reloads and how far you get with that. At least give it to us Patreon Supporters in detail (the reloading).
Maybe put a factory remington trigger on your competition rifle... see what the difference is
I have really enjoyed watching these videos. It’s exciting for me and I kept checking to see if the next installment was out lol. I was looking for an Oryx chassis and it seems they are hard to find right now. Honest question: do you think the tuner brake will help with my 300 PRC like it does on the smaller calibers? Same principles just way more powder.
It will work.
@@ErikCortina Thanks Erik 👍
Would love to see a tikka in 300 wsm need more.
Erik.i.got this geo ballistic u were talking about how does it work
If you change the barrel, it’s not longer a problem with Remington.
How does the spring make the bolt run better?
Yea a smooth does make a difference
You're getting to the point of a pretty expensive rifle.
Everyone should compare these guns to a $2,000 PRS limited gun. That's not a bad thing, you just had an expensive starting point and used expensive parts.
I started with a used Savage Axis XP, did a spring swap and shimmed the Accu-trigger, faced the action for a 110 style barrel lug, got a drop-in barrel and bedded the recoil lug in a clearance price Gen 1 MDT LSS chassis I got years ago. I also rebuilt the bolt with a fluted bolt sleeve and bolt handle from Glades, an Ebay delrin bolt knob and a bolt lift bearing kit. That's about $1,100 in with a couple MDT mags. It could use a barrel tuner but the action is actually really slick after I tweaked the bolt head baffle and the trigger breaks pretty clean and light.
The downside of a Savage is that it doesn't have trigger options like a Triggertech or Flavio but you can get really close to custom action feel in a complete rifle for about as much as a bare custom action costs.
I had looked at the cost of a trued Remington action and all the rest to make a Remington action custom but it just got too close to the cost of a full custom but lacked the custom features that come with that price. Savage also lacks features but you can do it a lot cheaper.
Prefit barrels? Kreiger ect
I wonder how a Ruger American Predator would've fared in this mix-up. Apart from the dinky stock, they generally shoot pretty well out of the box. Add the Oryx and a trigger and it should do well. And the muzzle is already threaded, too.
It's headspaced with a nut like a Savage, but even simpler because there's no recoil lug to fool with. The marketplace hasn't responded with barrels because everyone says "it's too cheap a gun to deserve rebarreling", but I think that's a silly judgement if the action is capable of performing.
Preferred barrel blanks makes prefits for them.
@@kirkmartin2223 thanks for the call-out. It's probably been over a year since I looked into this; looks like there's a few companies doing them now.
The best upgrade you can do is a reloading kit
Cryo freeze the barrel on number one see if that does any difference..
Nice. #!!! 😊
Can you get a cleaning rod down the barrel in that chassis? Or do you need to remove the action?
Can do it with action in chassis.
I say handload with the same procedures you do for F class!
Next time use Mossberg Patriots, if you can get one of those turds to shoot you're a miracle worker
Did yo7 lap the lugs on those rifles
So the spring the sends the firing pin into the primer some how when it is replaced makes the bolt slide down the rails inside the bolt smoother??
Maybe im confussed on what is smother from seapping out the firing pin spring.
Smoother opening and closing.
@@ErikCortina thank you sir for the reply
Cool
Once they are finished, time to auction them off.
Jason, Erik, what rear bag do you suggest when shooting off of bipod?
Tater tot from wibad.
@@ErikCortina Thank you sir, I have some of their bags but not that one. Will try it.
I believe in the 3B's law :
- Barrel
- Bullets
- Bedding
Barrel, bullets, brass. Bedding is not one of the B’s as far as I know.
@@ErikCortina I will have to agree, once I moved up to top tier brass flyers basically went away. Not to mention SD and ES improved greatly.
@@ErikCortina I agree brass is important too. I know that in most cases there's no problem with the bedding, but do you think it can shoot if there's an issue with the bedding ?
Make one a 25creed and one a 6creed and see witch one y’all like best! Lol
Im trying to find Flavio trigger. Where did you get it ?
Bruno’s
@erikcortina you guys have a download link for that target??
Yes please! Link for that target!?!
@@rosshanchett I've got the pdf from MDT here now so reply with email and I'll send it over mate
@@24886544 do you have Instagram or Facebook where we can private message? I don't want to put my personal email on a public chat. Thanks for your help!
@@rosshanchett Sure do mate but this youtube keeps removing the replies
Now maybe time to hand load for the needmore ,as there as modified as they can get ,without putting new precision barrels on them.
Then change barrels and find the right hand loads for them ..
Plus you're low on ammo.
God bless you and your LOVED ONES
I sure don't share your opinion of the Tubb firing pin spring. Using it increased my ES 25% and SD by 24% this was in my Remington 22-250. This is the average of 3 five shot groups. Waste of money and time in my experience. J.
I THINK AT THE END THIS RIFLE WILL GET RE BARRELED!🤷♂️🤷♂️😂😂
The next step is to get a new shooter - and I mean shinny penny-new shooter.....
Shoot at deer with one of them.
Am I committing heresy in saying this? My 100% factory Savage Model II (not a Model 11, but Roman numeral 2) wearing a Leupold M-223 BDC scope prints under .75" consistently with my handloads pushing Sierra 65gr Gamekings; any group over that is shooter error. My 100% factory Savage M112 Target Magnum prints near .5" consistently with my handloads pushing 250gr Matchkings. Other Savages in the case shoot similarly.
So why would I buy a rifle to pitch the stock, barrel and trigger in favor of after-market hardware that shoots marginally better, for triple the money?
My first Savage is a M11 LRH in 6.5CM. It's first 5-shot group with factory ammo went under 1" and has rarely done bigger than that; 120gr A-maxs are its diet for factory and handloads. My handloads squeeze that average group another 1/4" smaller.
So why would I buy a rifle to pitch the stock, barrel and trigger to replace them at triple the money?
Yeah, I get it. One ragged hole with a center to center measurement under .3" is fabulous! But that's the foundation of my question, $1000+/- for a rifle n scope vs $3000, $4000, or more to squeeze groups .1" or .2" tighter. At a certain point a shooter's (lack of) skill overrides the mechanical precision of the equipment.
Not different from street legal race cars--just because you have X custom blueprinted motor, Y intake, Z tranny, ABC Corp tires doesn't mean you can drive as can a professional racer.
My credentials? Simple. I attended TCLOES sniper school with a Leupold scoped 1917 Enfield chambered in 30-06. My final exam score put me 7th in a class of 13--dead middle of the pack. One or two were shooting .308s, everyone else 7mm Mauser and smaller. Plenty of guys had scopes that cost more than my rifle, scope, case, ammo, BDUs and gas to get to class. But I shot better than them. That's what counts, how well you can put to use what you have, not how much it cost. Off my soapbox, thank you for listening.
Then along came the Defiance and sat down beside her...
$500 trigger in a $500 gun 🤔
Waste of money on the 700 action and barrel. Should have went striaght custom. All your tryng to do make this one custom cheaper in the end to go striaght for the good stuff. Erik you know this
I got a headache from the camera movement.
This has been an interesting series, but it has most likely gone as far as it needs to. You are almost getting to a custom-built rifle. I have enjoyed the series and will continue to watch but it is insane to invest so much in an inexpensive rifle. Poor investment. Some may disagree but a custom rifle has resale. A cheap modified rifle does not have anywhere near the resale.
I do have a factory Rem 700 varmint rifle built in 1993 that has a factory trigger as good as any Timney I’ve ever used. That’s the only one. All others are garbage.
YES SO DO I, HOWEVER WHEN REMINGTON SWITCHED TO THEIR NEW TRIGGER SYSTEM, THEY SCREWED EVERYTHING UP!!
@@Plainsimple67
Absolutely. The next one I purchased in 2001 went back to Remington three times. Still sucked.
@@tinfoilsombrero1439 i think you can't go wrong with a basic Timeny trigger, I have a couple and they are very well made.
@@Plainsimple67 I’ve got a couple and they work well. Especially for a hunting situation. I have a couple of Jewells and a couple Triggertechs. So, far, Triggertech is my favorite but I won’t be changing the trigger on that varmint rifle. 🙂
Should have started with simple handloads in my opinion. A $500 trigger and chassis on a $600 gun? Come on. I'm not sure what the point of this series is anymore. Seems like marketing to sell Oryx chassis and EC tuners.
thats a joke you dont have to have a tac knob thats funny you have to say that or people will believe you
Thats cheating at that point
It’s a shame you have to spend that much to make them shoot.
Love this series!