Actually, the last track, past tense, has some really cool jazz-esque chord progressions. Just that Marten doesn’t have as much of a jazz/progressive writing style as Fredrik, but both are amazing in their different ways.
Wish Frederik would do more Allan Holdsworth influenced solos like this with Meshuggah. The solo on Bleed comes close but nothing like the gorgeous solos he does in his solo work or with 'Special Defects'. Amazing how versatile he is in playing this style versus the djent style he pioneered in the 'Chaosphere' days with Meshuggah...
@@westong6819 Two different things really. I don't mind if they're combined, but modern metal and jazz fusion exist in two different, in either case satisfying spheres. Fredrik treats them as such anyway. It's rare that Meshuggah let their sound go in _this_ direction. That's not to say they aren't musically equal. You can't argue against Meshuggah being original and creative. But really don't think it matters when compared to Fredrik's (or their interim Per's) more jazzy stuff. At least I much prefer that these days.
This is not purely unique at all. It's Jazz fusion in the vein of artist like Shawn Lane and of course Allan Holdsworth. Still love and respect Fredrik; don't get it twisted!
Its beautiful and awesome music, but not completely unique. Its a style called "jazz fusion" and Fredrik is heavily influenced by Allan Holdsworth, another brilliant musician and guitarist I love.
Well he is heavily influenced by the great Allan Holdsworth..but what Meshuggah does is another whole different animal..its just unfair to be that good.
@1 1 How many guitarists copy the styles of other guitarists? As many as there are grains of sand on each beach on earth. How many guitarists copy the style of Holdsworth? It is but a mere few of those grains.
@1 1 hey Mr ignorant, do Holdsworth play 8 strings guitar and make brutal songs like Fredrik? Each has its own qualities yet similar styles. Have a w@nk
I could very wrong ... not like that’s ever happened before but... I feel like defects 2 may be more of a jazz fusion type album than defects part 1 ... still with very heavy moments ofcourse we’d all love to hear that as well but who knows.
I would guess that solo offering number two won't be anything like special defects. I know for a fact he enjoyed Anders Björlers Antikythera alot, as if that would be any indication haha. Expect anything out of the ordinary and you might be right. That's just in his nature. I know I will blast it on ridiculous volume for the whole neighborhood to enjoy if and when it arrives.
That idea of Defects 2 being more of fusion directed album would be amazing. Can you imagine a collab with musicians that played with Allan Holdsworth like, for instance, Jimmy Johnson and Chad Wackerman?
The next Fredrik Thordendal Special Defects album will be out as soon as a new Spiral Architect and Psychotic Waltz album. Hmmm, I'm 55 now and . . . . .
I wish meshuggah employed this feel in their newer music. They always get the groove and feel right on point, but they’ve completely abandoned melody for the last 20 years
Destroy Erase Improve is peak meshuggah. We need more of that. Nothing wrong with the cool atonal riffs, but every once in a while some chords or a melodic section helps bring the listener back to earth I feel. That album had the perfect balance of rhythmic riffs and melodic sections
What's with the dumbass comments here haha ? This is fantastic music and really shows why fredrik always had the most important touch in meshugg's writing... this is brilliant
Thank you forposting this its the first time i’ve heard it and it is bees knees cats ass dogs ballls and pretty titty♨️💔🖤🖤🖤🤍❤️❤️❤️💜💔💔❤️🩹❤️🩹☮️💓💘💟🤍🤍🤎🤎🤎❤️🩹🖤💜🖤🖤💞💞❤️🩹❤️🩹❤️🔥❤️🔥
Per is playing Frederiks parts very Well no doubt but his solos is just so boring and not in the same ballpark as Frederiks and that is what i miss about the shuggah
Frederik is totally amazing. Thing is, it's actually impossible to *sound* like Allan. Literally. His playing technique and overall mastery of the instrument is otherworldly. And his legato *un-guitar sound* is, by definition, *spellbinding*. Also, his ultra-sensitive micro variations of left hand string vibrato, subtle string bending and completely unique whammy bar applications add up to making it scientifically impossible to emulate AH.
I heard this track before I ever got into Allan, and I loved it. From my perspective it was almost as if Allan's style was the odd one out. But these days, and for the past several years, Allan has been my greatest relief in the world of music. And I attribute that in part to Fredrik. Now when I listen to this track again for the first time in half a decade, I hear how different Fredrik really is. He has a mixture of lots of different styles, unlike Allan who is only himself alike. It's an unfair comparison, and both artists' works are absolutely justified and most pleasant to my ears.
@@TheRealSorav I think he had a lot of plans for Sol Niger within 2 but things didn't line up for him. I'm assuming he wanted to work with specific people and plans got messed up. I really wish he would he would make and release it. But I got too much respect for him to call him a bum.
@@Noone-ew2wk As a fanboy I totally dig the lazy bum stuff hahahahaha, but talking serious I think he just finish building his studio which seems to be huge. DOnt know if his commitment with meshuggah is strong as in the past which sucks, but oh well what can you do. High hopes for Special Defects 2 to be release soon.
Special Defects 2 is definitely on its way, and was the key reason for his hiatus from Meshuggah and for his minimal contributions to recent albums. This also explains the marked decline in quality of Meshuggah's music from Koloss onwards imo. Let's face it, he wrote their best songs!
These are the sections that Immutable is missing.
Thats bc Fredirik only contributed 4 solos on the album. I feel like he is saving this stuff for his 2nd solo album.
@Paperino yes
Actually, the last track, past tense, has some really cool jazz-esque chord progressions. Just that Marten doesn’t have as much of a jazz/progressive writing style as Fredrik, but both are amazing in their different ways.
@@Djent_Djeneratoridk Marten wrote The Last Vigil and Acrid Placidity which both have some jazzy chords
Hasn't that been the case since destroy erase improve?
Minute 10:19 until the end is recorded on “Sublevels” from Meshuggah’s Destroy Erase Improve.
and is also used on SDFX Tathagata track
No shit
Wish Frederik would do more Allan Holdsworth influenced solos like this with Meshuggah. The solo on Bleed comes close but nothing like the gorgeous solos he does in his solo work or with 'Special Defects'. Amazing how versatile he is in playing this style versus the djent style he pioneered in the 'Chaosphere' days with Meshuggah...
Some earlier Meshuggah tracks have some pretty nice Holdsworth style solos
his solos are sick but the djent stuff is the real original creative stuff that gave him a more unique sound
The Majority of solos he plays in Meshuggah are AH influenced............
Sublevels.
@@westong6819 Two different things really. I don't mind if they're combined, but modern metal and jazz fusion exist in two different, in either case satisfying spheres. Fredrik treats them as such anyway. It's rare that Meshuggah let their sound go in _this_ direction. That's not to say they aren't musically equal. You can't argue against Meshuggah being original and creative. But really don't think it matters when compared to Fredrik's (or their interim Per's) more jazzy stuff. At least I much prefer that these days.
We all bow at the alter of the great AH.
I heard this song probably like 20 years ago. Was ahead of its time then..still ahead of its time now.
His perspective on music is extremely obscure and, therefore purely unique. It's just truly amazing!
This is not purely unique at all. It's Jazz fusion in the vein of artist like Shawn Lane and of course Allan Holdsworth. Still love and respect Fredrik; don't get it twisted!
It may not be totally unique but hits the spot much better than anything else.
Its beautiful and awesome music, but not completely unique. Its a style called "jazz fusion" and Fredrik is heavily influenced by Allan Holdsworth, another brilliant musician and guitarist I love.
That Sublevels reference at the end! 👌
I fucking love Sublevels Outro
yeeeessss first time I heard it it blew my mind
I knew it from Sol Niger Within
isn't that from special defects?
@@krackkorn1952 it's both on sublevel and sol Niger within
Cocktail of Thordendal, Holdsworth and Lovecraft, i love it
Sounds s lot like the more melodic parts in destroy erase improve. Which can never be a bad thing. Love it ❤️
Amazing music. Reminds me of Holdsworth.
Love your channel name
Same
Well he is heavily influenced by the great Allan Holdsworth..but what Meshuggah does is another whole different animal..its just unfair to be that good.
If there is one guitarist able to imitate AH so well it is definitely Fredrik Thordendal. The drums are programmed with the "drum kit from hell".
@1 1 How many guitarists copy the styles of other guitarists? As many as there are grains of sand on each beach on earth. How many guitarists copy the style of Holdsworth? It is but a mere few of those grains.
Another is Tim Miller.
@1 1 hey Mr ignorant, do Holdsworth play 8 strings guitar and make brutal songs like Fredrik? Each has its own qualities yet similar styles. Have a w@nk
11. “If you try to copy Allan Holdsworth, you just end up sounding like a bad Allan Holdsworth “. Guthrie Govan
@@frannyp46not Fredrik though. He sounds like the real deal.
Wish I'd known about this sooner. Wonderful track.
Reminded me of "Zeta 1 Reticuli" from Sol Niger Within.
Imagine an entire album like this with Morgan on drums. I'd cream my boxers.
I've always loved how much of an unabashed fanboy Fred is of AH.
*Fredrik writes his songs with an electronic abacus.*
Sublevels outro/Tathagata strikes again
still works every single time :D
I think this is actually based on the Z Reticuli progression, at least in the first few minutes
ホールズワース師匠への敬愛の念が感じられる。。
自分も永年のフォロワーだけどコード進行が激ムズ過ぎてお手上げ。
ソロの弾きまくりとは違うエゲツないストレッチと音選びが神レベルなんだ。
Word
eargasm
That's a good lost tribe song. 👌🏻
🔥🎸🔥 De los guitarristas más brutales que existen Frederik, influenciado por el genio Holdsworth.
The intro reminds me of Resident Evil 2
The phrasing is top notch my fave
So cool! Sounds like something from a late 80’s action movie
nice percussion, as well as beautiful tone.
AMAZING
Fred please make more stuff like this \m/
i can see why he likes to hand out with mats/morgen
This is like Allan's IOU and Road Games with a smattering of Sand periods.
@1 1 He could never have Allan's grace and mind-boggling improvisational abilities.
@1 1 There is Roy Marchbank. Technically he is mind-boggling. Musically his output is a fraction of Allan's.
I could very wrong ... not like that’s ever happened before but... I feel like defects 2 may be more of a jazz fusion type album than defects part 1 ... still with very heavy moments ofcourse we’d all love to hear that as well but who knows.
I would guess that solo offering number two won't be anything like special defects.
I know for a fact he enjoyed Anders Björlers Antikythera alot, as if that would be any indication haha. Expect anything out of the ordinary and you might be right. That's just in his nature.
I know I will blast it on ridiculous volume for the whole neighborhood to enjoy if and when it arrives.
That idea of Defects 2 being more of fusion directed album would be amazing. Can you imagine a collab with musicians that played with Allan Holdsworth like, for instance, Jimmy Johnson and Chad Wackerman?
@@jacobtapianieto9655 Time has proven that I was very wrong in the way that there is no defects 2 at all yet.
0:55 kills me
The next Fredrik Thordendal Special Defects album will be out as soon as a new Spiral Architect and Psychotic Waltz album. Hmmm, I'm 55 now and . . . . .
Spiral Architect have ruined my life...by never upholding their promise to release another album! :'(
@@JayDcay - Well . . . a Psychotic Waltz song was JUST released today :). Maybe there IS hope for SA :D.
Still waiting on anything new from Spiral. Thordendal is gonna be at least 10 years. Who knows though. Maybe we'll get a surprise.
@@JayDcay yea still waiting on that god damn second album man
Thanks for the upload! I'm really hoping for another SDFX or solo project in the coming years.
This is sick.
Amazing
Love this track man. Awesome production too. I'll write some music like this one of these days...
I always see you on sopranos videos and I always think of this track lol
Does anyone know how this part is done ?0:55
I don’t know but it’s wonderful
Heavily inspired by Allan Holdsworth. I like it
Damn this is so so good !!!! 🔥
This is like a mix of Gentle Giant, King Crimson and Al Di Meola... Mind = Blown
This is 100% pure Holdsworth bro.
long live genius
I wish meshuggah employed this feel in their newer music. They always get the groove and feel right on point, but they’ve completely abandoned melody for the last 20 years
Destroy Erase Improve is peak meshuggah. We need more of that. Nothing wrong with the cool atonal riffs, but every once in a while some chords or a melodic section helps bring the listener back to earth I feel. That album had the perfect balance of rhythmic riffs and melodic sections
Max ur tripping
Yes
Yes but we still got Intronaut and Animals As Leadears at least and they're amazing in mixing heaviness and jazz melodies.
What about the new album? What do you think?
Holdworthian Warble!
What's with the dumbass comments here haha ? This is fantastic music and really shows why fredrik always had the most important touch in meshugg's writing... this is brilliant
Thank you forposting this its the first time i’ve heard it and it is bees knees cats ass dogs ballls and pretty titty♨️💔🖤🖤🖤🤍❤️❤️❤️💜💔💔❤️🩹❤️🩹☮️💓💘💟🤍🤍🤎🤎🤎❤️🩹🖤💜🖤🖤💞💞❤️🩹❤️🩹❤️🔥❤️🔥
Should I rip this to CD?
diego arana yes
Very Allan Holdsworth!🔥🔥🔥
how was this song released? as far as i know, his second solo album has been in the works but isn't released
When is this demo from?
I *need* to know more about this…
97 and i think it comes along with another demo called "33"
Trés inspiré , son top
i am sorry to say but Meshuggah without Fredrik is like Iron Maiden without Harris
But Per is great the band.
Per is playing Frederiks parts very Well no doubt but his solos is just so boring and not in the same ballpark as Frederiks and that is what i miss about the shuggah
Agreed
Bless you. Were you ever on the ftp?
The fade-out outro is the same fade-out used on Meshuggah’s Contradictions Collapse album.
Tabs ples
As Allan Holdsworth often said, "Why would you want to sound like me? Be yourself."
Frederik is totally amazing. Thing is, it's actually impossible to *sound* like Allan. Literally. His playing technique and overall mastery of the instrument is otherworldly. And his legato *un-guitar sound* is, by definition, *spellbinding*. Also, his ultra-sensitive micro variations of left hand string vibrato, subtle string bending and completely unique whammy bar applications add up to making it scientifically impossible to emulate AH.
I heard this track before I ever got into Allan, and I loved it. From my perspective it was almost as if Allan's style was the odd one out. But these days, and for the past several years, Allan has been my greatest relief in the world of music. And I attribute that in part to Fredrik. Now when I listen to this track again for the first time in half a decade, I hear how different Fredrik really is. He has a mixture of lots of different styles, unlike Allan who is only himself alike. It's an unfair comparison, and both artists' works are absolutely justified and most pleasant to my ears.
@@manjay49 Well put. All those things are very uniquely Fred.
Because AH sounds anything like Meshuggah?
frederik, meshuggah and ideas that they implemented are already much higher above. those who don't understand it are just mediocrities
How can I achieve his lead tone?
What gear are you using?
@@spade8094neural dsp vst lol.
@@ilay829 I wish I had that shawg ☠️, id just make it clean with a delay,
@@spade8094I need me a good multi effect pedal, but they are too expensive and will not give me the allan holdsworth tone…
Actually now that I think about it, distort it, and lower the dist until it's barely there
I'm pretty sure this IS Allan Holdsworth. Why are you lying to us?!
Such a genius became such a lazy bum
?
@@Noone-ew2wk Well it doesn't seem like he puts out much material but it's understandable once you see how hard it is to produce records
@@TheRealSorav I think he had a lot of plans for Sol Niger within 2 but things didn't line up for him. I'm assuming he wanted to work with specific people and plans got messed up. I really wish he would he would make and release it. But I got too much respect for him to call him a bum.
@@Noone-ew2wk As a fanboy I totally dig the lazy bum stuff hahahahaha, but talking serious I think he just finish building his studio which seems to be huge. DOnt know if his commitment with meshuggah is strong as in the past which sucks, but oh well what can you do. High hopes for Special Defects 2 to be release soon.
Special Defects 2 is definitely on its way, and was the key reason for his hiatus from Meshuggah and for his minimal contributions to recent albums. This also explains the marked decline in quality of Meshuggah's music from Koloss onwards imo. Let's face it, he wrote their best songs!
Thanks, but no thanks.
Bruh
ok laters
@@dylanwilson4221 I'm actually open minded to the fact that Fredrick can make something that I dont like. Are you?
@@JBrooksNYS cry about it