Why These Three Celebrity Pastors Fell From Ministry and Yours May Too!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- Over the past 10 years or so we have seen several high-profile celebrity pastors of very large churches fall in ministry. They have either been removed, resigned or simply retired. The sad reality is that they all left a trail of wounded victims along the way. While we don't expect our leaders to be perfect, we do expect them to be above reproach.
From studying the lives of these three prominent high-profile pastors, I've come up with a list of qualities that most of them had in common that led to their demise. The sad part is that there are many more pastors who will undoubtedly follow in their footsteps UNLESS they make some serious changes. Here is my list.
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Hey BEAT family! Over the past ten years, some very high-profile mega-church pastors have fallen from ministry. Three of them come to mind at this time, although there are many others. So, I decided to create a video discussing some of the common characteristics of ministry leaders who fall. It is my prayer that your spiritual leader will not be next. If you start to see these signs, please share this video with them before it's too late.
Very well taught, and very much needed in this time that we live in. I really appreciate your ministry, it’s very enlightening in a time so dimly lit.
Continue to be blessed, and bless others with the knowledge of God‘s word, and the truth for all ages. Love you brother
Hi Allen, I want to ALERT you to a man named ADAM SNYDER who is using your name to coax and scam people to think he is you.
Can you let me know when you receive this message.
I am very concerned.
In Christ
Vera
*LATER ON, I WILL SHARE HEAVEN’S TRUTHS CONCERNING BEING BORN AGAIN, AND OF DEATH, AND LIFE*
What is another indicator? Sexual sin, which includes preaching about sex in an ungodly way to lead their congregations into sin. We know from the media accounts about 4 pastors who fell sexually and were not accountable until they were exposed. Even though there appeared to be repentance by some, they quickly went back into a new ministry after refusing to be counseled for a prescribed amount of time. I believe they should have left the ministry completely. God forgives a truly repentant person but their godly leadership has been forever damaged. I would not be under the ministry of such an ungodly minister.
Because of the SEVERE damage these pastors caused to many individuals and the church, I will name them. Also, because of the damage currently being caused by these pastors to those who do not understand their pasts and their unwillingness to have stepped down. Ted Haggard, Mark Driscoll, Bill Hybels, Andy Savage.
Sometimes you can tell something's wrong when they're preaching. One minister would read out a Bible verse, then close his Bible & start preaching. But he would be all over the place, going from many many different subject to subject, they weren't all related & had absolutely nothing to do with the Bible verse he had read. I believed within myself that something was wrong in his life & started to pray for him. It turns out that he was sexually abusing women in his church.
"Humility is not thinking less of yourself. It is thinking of yourself, less." That's a great way to put it!
That’s such a worn out statement although true. It’s just so cliché nowadays I wish people would give a biblical definition instead of a cliché definition.
That's the first time I heard it. Glad it was said again. Truth doesn't wear out.
I heard that many decades ago, and I Love it.
Yes I’m committing that to memory.
To be honest the former is the truth. Humility is thinking less of yourself. In other words; to understand that you are nothing and you are incapable of doing nothing to help yourself. It is what Jesus meant in Matthew 18.3 and John 15.4.
I was expecting an epic takedown of fallen pastors, but the route you took makes the message more broadly applicable!
Hi David 😊 Love your music vids 🙏😊 Hope all's well with your family 😊 God bless 😊
dont pussy-foot around, you can say it's the leaders of the country and the cities
Hes a lil classier than that, don't ya think???
I was Curious to begin with, but then i'm So Glad that Allen didn't Reveal them, He did the Right Thing.
@@viviennejordan215 It's like this. If you don't have to name names but you do it anyway then that is just being cruel. It's not treating others as you would want to be treated.
My husband and I had to make a difficult decision to leave the church we went to for 14 years, because so many things happened all at once. Since then it’s been 3 years and we’ve had a few other things we’ve experienced from Christian “leaders.” I think if we were not rooted & grounded in our walk with Christ, we would probably have completely walked away from church. Thank God we have now found a church. I really wish we would all stop putting Christian leaders on a pedestal. I had to learn the hard way.
We always expect better behaviour from others than we ourselves display but remember even fallen humans can, and often do, show great compassion. It's our overall behaviour that matters in the long run.
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Same story...except that I was there for 30 years (since childhood). I thank God that nothing is stronger than His love.
Amen to that!..That's one thing that we all need to stop doing is putting those in leadership on a pedestal... only Christ deserves to be put on a pedestal the rest of these pastors are flawed humans just like you and I.
At my church we had two major life changing events. Some people were concerned about what would happen to the church. I replied "It all depends". Depends on what? they asked. "On whether it was the pastor's church or God's church".
That’s the truth
Amen to That!
This message helped me. I was ambushed, stonewalled, shunned, rejected by by a pastor and his crew. My life is moving on our God is good!
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I love the fact that you didn't dwell on the "3 men", but dealt with the issue. This is true Church edification. God bless you
God bless you. I am unable to get out and attend service as I used to do. You have truly blessed me with how you explain the word
I wish he would of told us who the 3 men were so we can stay away from these pastor who are falling from god.
@@richlacey5356 right
@@richlacey5356 I believe it is Mark Driscoll, James MacDonald, and Bill Hybels
Some of those in the comments need to read the Bible & what IT says about church edification. We call it "being churched" and it needs to happen more often. Harsh? Yes indeed! But it's evident that it's needed.
I love the use of clickbait here😂. You do not resort to just commenting on people who have fallen and instead use it as a moment to teach what shouldn’t be done. That is very admirable. Great insights!
I like how you brought up Peter. There's always a chance for redemption, all we have to do is humble ourselves and repent.
Remember folks, it's never about you, it's about everything that will fall when you do.
The root issue, and Saul is a perfect example, is that these men WANTED to be in CHARGE instead of acknowledging the TRUE LEADER is CHRIST/GOD. THANKS for the video Allen. Keep it up!
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Yes! Also, Saul was very prideful that when he met David, he became jealous of him. When Johnathan was defending David's character, Saul was angry but when Johnathan did this, he was not hurting Saul but obeying God. Unfortunately many leaders have forgotten the true meaning of ministry. Leaders are instruments that the Lord is using for His kingdom to be full and glorified
Corrected my mistakes. Apologies
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@@yvettedadzie8280God sets up Kings!
Daniel 2:20-23(KJV) Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.
@@yvettedadzie8280 God was God's choice for a King but they chose an earthly King. Much love friend Jesus Christ is King
I struggle with Saul's story, because it seems to me that when he wanted to do well the Lord gave Saul an evil spirit which caused him to do these things. This is a story that I find myself trying t understand.
When I was a new believer I went to a Bible study in Florida led by Patrick Morley from Man in the Mirror. He shared this, "Even if you're right, you're wrong if you're not humble." I've been quoting this for 20 years and I pray daily for this in my ministry.
Thanks for the video! Great stuff!
So true. This applies to any and all leadership as well. As a leader, even if one of your subordinates makes a mistake and is to blame for something happening, you are at fault as well for not leading properly.
You have me questioning my character 😂 I was expecting some serious tea to be spilled on current fallen pastors and here u are taking the high road to show us biblical examples that applies to everyone not just pastors. Great job!
Am equally surprised! Lord be praised.
I’m glad you made this video. One thing that I’m learning is that alot of these leaders have narcissistic tendencies which can be masked as someone who is very strong willed & assertive. I unfortunately have witnessed the things you listed & it’s a sad sight. Church hurt is real but thankfully that didn’t damper my faith!
We have many so called Christians giving more praise to the created pastor ,preacher , or what ever titles that man comes up with .SO instead of going out in the world and spread the gospel .We have many that just claps there hands in the 4 walls .We are the church now to the other matter at hand. It is written wich is no surprise to me that there is many even some of the elect shall stray away from the word . Meaning they go about twisting the word to suit the wolves in sheep clothing. We have plenty of them out there but some still have wax in there ears and scales in there eyes .Many can't disern because they don't study and show proof to get to know GOD for self. Wow so many are in slumber you supposed to know them by there fruit. I STRESS AGAIN THAT YOU SUPPOSED TO STUDY AND SHOW PROOF TO GET TO KNOW GOD FOR YOURSELF. 😇🕊
@@elliottsantiago1638 great !!!
They are just human nature at work we must remember all leaders in churches or anywhere else are flawed human beings.
@@glennbaker7914 I agree, they are flawed human beings, however; flawed is one thing, abusive of their power is another. You can be corrected in a flawed behavior but when you’re abusive to others because of the position you hold, that’s something different. That is what I’m speaking of & what I dealt with.
You are so right but a lot of people look the other way they think more of that pastor that they do Jesus Christ fact 🙏
God bless you Brother Allan May your revelation grow bigger and bigger for the glory of GOD in Jesus Christ name.
The LOVE of money, constantly putting people on "BLAST" for not having their tithes even though they do A LOT of volunteer work and give what they can in the collection plates (which tend to get passed more than I have seen before- 3-4 times in a service). The installation of ATM's in churches is shameful, but the #1 thing is this....why aren't people getting healed in churches? EVERYTHING comes with a price tag. GREAT INSIGHTFUL video. PEACE
Man, most churches are a business! They DON'T care about your salvation, or were you will spend your eternity! It's all about the Benjamins!
Are they installing ATM's in churches?? 😳
Hallelujah and praise the Almighty Dollar and the Huge Pound and the Great Euro and....
You need to find a new church if they are doing these things!
I've gone through this 3 times personally & watched it happen from the outside in many other churches. It is so heartbreaking. The pain from the emotional abuse that I went through many years ago is still there, sometimes feeling like it happened yesterday. I saw these signs, but was not mature enough to know that what they were saying & how they were treating me was not acceptable. I figured that since they were older & "wiser" spiritually, that they must be right & I was falling short. I am glad I finally left those churches.
It's hard to realise that Christians are no better and no worse than the rest of humanity. We are led to believe they must be better.
Straight facts 💯
As someone who use to exhault myself for the gift that God had given me. He took me all the way from the stage to a regular member of a church. It happened so fast and it was a very painful experience. As a father, God disciplines us. Discipline is very harsh sometimes but it's for our good. So, downfall in my experience is the first sign of God's Discipline. Let us of coz seek to help these leaders and pray for them.
One thing we have in common is that we are humans, praising someone for their good works might lead to them exhaulting themselves the way I did. Once again, God is our father and he deals with us.
Friend the Lord loves you very much. It sounds like you are living a life of repentance. Richard Baxter in his book, "The Reformed Pastor" said a pastor who falls can get back in the pulpit someday if he spends time on the back pew. It is when his repentance is far more knowable than his sin that he is ready to get back into ministry.
Romans 11:29
To whom much is given much is required God's shepherds are held at a higher standard than his sheep
It's good to be Aware of our weaknesses, So we Can Pray to Be Strengthened Against. Humility Can be a hard lesson to Learn, but so Worth it, to get to the other side, the Right Side. Pride is a Big One too, many paths Can lead to it. Any inkling of it, in your mind, Rebuke it, and Pray For Strength Against it You were Blessed to Learn this, as a Newbie in Christ, Forewarned, Is Forearmed, Put Your Armour On Daily. God Bless.
I would like to add one more thing to your list: when they stray from sound, Biblical theology. Just about every Christian leader and minister that I’ve seen stray from the Bible have ended up in utter destruction.
True. My pastor preached tithing because he was bankrupt. Forced church members to give or else curses will befall 'em
Unfortunately..some have gained large followings.
@@theafricananteater1983 God said you have to pay your tithing...
biblical theology is trash
@@juzeljames7793 Yes, we do tithing, but not for the reasons given by that pastor. And if you're not following biblical reasoning/biblical theology you might as well follow the world. Anything outside of Christ's Word is not the way, the truth, or the life.
I love how your delivery is simple, straight to the point, and you have such a humble spirit.
HUMILITY IS NOT THINKING LESS OF YOURSELF BUT RATHER THINKING OF YOURSELF LESS HALLELUJAH PRAISE GOD BLESS YOU MOG 🙏🏾♥
“And all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.”2 Tim 3:12,13
Sobering words
Sure, but struggling with something or just making a bad judgement call doesn't mean you're an impostor. Things happen in our fallen nature sometimes. Just saying.
@@alantinoalantonio The Word says there must be two witnesses confirming n accusation against overseers. Also we need to understand the need for dependence on the Holy Spirit gifts, especially discernment.
This is one of the best constructive message I have heard here. I have witness double-standards in mega church ministries as well as smaller ones but generally people are afraid to point it out lest they lose their favor with the inner circle. One must walk with Christ even if a majority of people in your church doesn’t.
So many churches encourage their people to be Bereans, but watch what happens when your own conclusions butt up against the sacred cow traditions of whatever denomination you may be apart off. You will get the message pretty quick that the exit signs are clearly marked. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. True Bereans not welcome at all.
Man, my heart is so sinful. I was so curious as to who these pastors may have been, and even began taking guesses in my head. But the way you went about this was beautifully biblical. I appreciate your ministry brother! Keep it up!
lol i dont think you were the only one!
Amen.
Hey remember Paul: There is none who is not sinful; no, NOT ONE!!
Same with me, all the glory to God...I am trying with prayer and fasting to purge my heart...pray for me
@Cory Sullivan
So true. But you must agree, the thumbnail is deceptive. That has to stop. It is known as click-bait on TH-cam.
Thank you very much for the video, Pastor Allen. Incidentally, my church is currently going through 1 Samuel in a series of sermons and Bible studies, and we definitely saw most if not all of the traits you've highlighted in King Saul. Even so, I appreciate the sobering reminders as well as that final encouraging message about St Peter.
I pray that God continues to bless and work through your ministry here, so that Christians who partake of it will be enabled to glorify Him with their lives, no matter how hard it gets.
Thank you again and God be with you, brother.
Some of these celebrity pastors has "socialized" they have lost the real calling for their ministry.
Strength from above… they don’t have to be so called “celebrity” ministry leaders to find themselves succumbing to these issues.
These are historical mindsets but with the advent of various media outlets they’ve, unfortunately, have become more amplified. Just my humble opinion.
“Celebrity “ ministers are not real but a facade
And you know this how? Rom 14:4
This is so good! I’m definitely soaking all this up. I’m in ministry and making some videos. If God gives me more responsibility/success in my ministry, i don’t want to end up in disaster. Asking God to build my character so it can sustain and not crumble.
Thats a good way to start brother
God bless your ministry 🙏
I am doing the same (sharing The Word online) and I thank God for Allan. He is such a blessing in a day and age, where our youth is more than hungry for the truth. God knew, we would need Allan and the timing is more than perfect! 😭❤️✍️🤗🙌
Stay humble, stay humble, stay humble and if you catch a little pride coming in stop it immediately.
Suprisingly, this message struck a deep chord with me as I struggle with insecurity and jealousy like Saul. And I’m nowhere near being a pastor haha! Thanks Allen!
This is on point. All the examples given were exactly what I witnessed. However, those higher up with the power to change things had no appetite to do so. I guess money and crowds worked as a smoke screen to justify ignoring their leaders activity. Ultimately resulting in many, many hurt and even damaged individuals, and all in the name of the Lord. Thanks for the video. Much needed. Praise be to God he isn't wired that way.
Thank you brother for putting a spotlight on unhealthy spiritual leaders!
There seems to be a LOT of those! We have been warned about this in God's word.
@@vickieturner8688 Amen
I thank God for this video brother Allen! I went through ministry abuse for years. You just confirmed it!
Clicks is one of the biggest problems in the church as well as classism. I'm new to your channel but I really love that you're not afraid to tackle issues within the Christian community. Thank you
Im so glad i saw this, and i will share it. I have deeply experienced this and the Lord pulled me out of such churches. Thank you for sharing.
🕊#MsWarriorSaint
Warrior saint… I wish that I could say that the LORD pulled us away from the various churches that had these concerns in full strength but we left because those atmospheres just didn’t seem as Holy as they should’ve been. Hard to say that but we didn’t know what else to do given the circumstances.
When a church starts to give monetary incentives to the congregants for every new person brought to church, I don’t think one needs to hear the still small voice of the HOLY SPIRIT to know that it would be time to move on.
@@meetingplace7928 WOW! I've never heard of that, but it wouldn't surprise me. People should attend because they WANT to be there.
Excellent! You know what I love the most? You chose not to reveal the names of the pastors. The truth of your words were framed by your demonstration of restraint. That may be a more potent lesson than your topic. Well done!
Agreed I would kind of like to know for example who he is speaking on
Being 42 not yet married & don't have the desire to be married, who can approach to advise/help me? At the same time I do love Jesus (God) with all my heart
I agree with you brother
G. Johnson well stated my brother
Why not reveal their names what is wrong with that?.Better to reveal who they are so others may know that U cannot mock God and get away with it.If it were A Muslim or A secular leader I doubt that you would vouch for withholding their names.
My pastor is sitting in jail serving 20 to life, from contact of a minor in our church, we had 60 or more people in the church, now only 7 people come to the church.
His wife is a minister too!. She is so VAIN, and church members are the same way, so l left the church. Now l carry my church in my heart ❤
Your body IS a temple of the Holy Spirit!😀
The way you broke this down is absolutely God! Thank you for helping us to see how pastors, but really any of us in ministry can succumb to the enemy's lies if we don't gird ourselves with the Word, the love of God, the truth of Jesus Christ and allow the Holy Spirit to lead and guide. Thank you Mr. Parr because you are always very truthful, observant and timely with your videos. May you continue to be blessed and highly favored. Stay humble.
I personally experience all these 6 things with our pastors. Thanks for sharing, now I know I was not wrong for standing my ground.
This was so good and unfortunately so true. 🙏🏾
Exactly this happened to me as a minister. Everything that you have taught on It’s true. Thank you so much for this teaching.
Amazing! May GOD continue to use and speak through you AMEN! So glad I found this channel!
One of the things that sticks with me is that sometimes people stand on the stage and make a comment such as "if your life is going well, you need a God check." As if things going well for you is an indicator that you are doing something wrong.
It might be, but it might not be.
It seems to me that we have a number of folks in the audience at most churches I've been to who are left unsure of their standing. They are always put off balance by pithy statements and not enough actual teaching. We get nice life lessons, but hardly anything about actual salvation and what God and Jesus is all about.
Absolutely. Well put 👍
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Well said my friend. I guess you have to define,"well". If a guy is a criminal but he is very successful he could say he is doing, "well". But that is a life lived apart from God. As you say why would a peaceful life be an indicator of us doing something wrong?
@@vanmoody I like a thing that the late Chuck Missler said about this. He was talking about persecution and instead of claiming your doing it wrong if you aren't currently experiencing persecution. He said, "good news, you will one day." It will happen, but there are good times and blessing as well.
I'm reminded of the story of King Asa:
2 Chronicles 14:6-7 speaking of King Asa;
"He built up the fortified cities of Judah, since the land was at peace. No one was at war with him during those years, for the Lord gave him rest."
Sometimes doing well is exactly that. A period of rest. But notice that King Asa used that time of rest wisely...
“Let us build up these towns,” he said to Judah, “and put walls around them, with towers, gates and bars. The land is still ours, because we have sought the Lord our God; we sought him and he has given us rest on every side.” So they built and prospered."
whilst we have "rest" we need to be fortifying ourselves. Prayer, fasting, reading the Word... for we know that battles will come again
Pray for all Pastors. Pride is a big one for all. We all have to be humble to honor Father God, He will chasten us.
Hebrews 12-1-2 👑
Can i tell you i truly appreciate this Channel! You definitely have the tough conversations in the most practical tone and broken down so that anyone can understand! I’m binge watching with my popcorn lol but you’re giving very much a teaching ministry 😂😂 love it
Man! This breakdown was really thorough. It triggered a lot of memories of a number of pastors I encountered. SMH. Thank God for his healing grace.
This is why you should never put your trust in people, not even in pastors! They are and remain people. If you really trust Yahweh and Yahweh alone, you will never be ashamed! How many times have I come across Christians who have been broken and damaged by pastors, but that often has to do with their wrong intentions. Even though a church falls, even though a pastor falls, you must ALWAYS stay strong by ALWAYS trusting Yahsuah!
Exactly and Amen 🙏
I was sent to a church to reveal massive fraud. The pastor had literally stolen millions. It ended with a death threat by the pastor from the altar during the Sunday morning service in front of over 200 people. Literally this was in Chicago. Pfft not scared. Eventually the pastor was taken down and shot by the gangbangers in the neighborhood.
Humans will let you down but God never will!
@@consumersmarts-recognizing1729 :O wow that's insane, bad start horrible end result
@@consumersmarts-recognizing1729 Horrible! But do you see how dangerous it is to play with the church's money and steal it from the church? Yahweh had already warned in Exodus 20 "Thou shalt not steal"
And Yahsuah has also warned not to run after the "mamon" the money demon in Matt 6
'No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and the other, or he will cleave to the one and despise the other; ye cannot serve God and mammon, Matt. 6:24.
And this what you wrote here about the pastor who committed this terrible act is now a great example of the enormous catastrophic consequences when God's commandments are broken! I am very affected by it and I don't even live in America (I live in the Netherlands) .But we have also seen similar cases here.Terrible!
Thank you so much Allen for sharing your wisdom and knowledge. This is a side effect of pride but I believe pastors start believing their own hype. Many people are going to mega churches to be entertained instead of learning more about a relationship with Christ. Sin feeds off of sin. The congregants feed the pastor’s ego, the pastor feeds the congregants baby food about how God wants them to be prosperous and happy and comfortable.
Yup! Codependency.
Love you Brother ! Your such a blessing to listen to. You speak truth with love and compassion.
Awesome Job! Love that you did this Biblically & Tastefully w out mention of any of them💕
So many Pastors get in the habit of isolating themselves and therefore rationalizing their actions and behavior not realizing the door they open leads to a seared conscience. No better illustration than Saul.
Thank you Pastor Allen!
I am a Pastor myself and I really enjoy most of your videos! Thank you! Ones like this help me see myself in the light of God's Word and see other Leaders/Pastors in the same manner. I was Pastor in a small church where point 2 was, in retrospect, the characteristic of the deacon/power player of the church. He was a large giver in the church and let everyone know and a bit of a charismatic personality whereas my own personality is much blander! :-) I would not preach his pet doctrine of hyper-dispensationalism and therefore he went to work to gather and garner support to oust me. He succeeded but didn't anticipate another deacon standing up to him and his followers and exposing him. This was my first church out of seminary, so I was a bit bamboozled on this whole thing myself, but now, later I can see his toxic behavior, especially after watching your video. Thank you.
I love how you said that these leaders need help. So often, instead of helping them, we distance ourselves and talk about them.
Thank you Brother Allen for putting together such a thought provoking video. These 6 signs are also true for Christian leaders in the workplace, which I have witnessed some fall (and a couple recover).
Unfortunately my church went through a split a few years ago. The person who caused it wanted our senior pastors position. They showed most of these points you referred to. It was a sad time but God is faithful & He is growing our church again. We have a wonderful pastor & we really didn't like how he was being treated. It's all good now...even better!
Give Thanks and Praise to our Father!!!
Sorry to hear that. Been through one of these myself its never fun!
Hey Wanda, the same thing happened to me a few years ago. Except the pastor is still living in sin and has refused any rebuke at all. It was so disappointing really. But! God used that to get me in a place where I really looked to him and he picked me up! Jesus has just completely changed my life since then and I’m growing in him with such a passion to do his Will and continue in him! It took me a while to heal from what happened, so I kind of understand what you went through. I’m so glad that God is faithful. I’m so glad that you overcame it as well through God.
Just giving my 2 cents here, I beg you please be careful when you say I have a wonderful pastor. Just because he holds a title of pastor does not mean he is right for the job. I also have a question, why are pastors voted in rather than hired by a professional?
I love that you focused on why they fell & not who fell. That's why I love this channel..Truth & Grace Great video
Wow !!! Always blessed to listen to you ! Deep wisdom you just shared, may God bless
Excellent teaching! I wanted to listen for confirmation about the pastors and yet was afraid of what I might hear. I did not want to encounter a message spoken by a person with a bad spirit. I am so glad I swallowed the lump in my throat and listened. This is Christ! Love you my dear brother!
I really enjoy your videos as well your delivery! I've learned a lot about many things I'd had questions about but couldn't quite find the answers to along my journey in faith. Thank you for spreading this knowledge, being honest and not being afraid to lead people to the truth/light!
Agreed Brother Allen. Great points! Your videos produce so much biblical knowledge. Thank you for all of the hard work you do. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
P.S. Wish you would have named the 3 pastors, but that’s just my flesh. 🤦🏾♀️🤣🤣🤣🤣
One is James MacDonald. I can tell his silhouette from the thumbnail 😂 This may be a severe oversimplification but my understanding is he was basically a bully, domineering, and was accused of misusing ministry funds.
Frankly, I still like his preaching. He's always been able to reach me in a special way, so I still listen to his stuff from the about 2010-2016.
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Even before James' fall, I didn't enjoy listening to him. I can't stand it when any preacher interrupts his preaching by saying, Do this!, or Tell the person next to you that!, or the preacher expects his listeners to repeat after him what he says. This is called "manipulation"! That's a red flag of any preacher who does this! The Holy Spirit doesn't like this! It's offensive to Him!
@@kathierouse5306 Thats an interesting perspective! I always viewed those type of things as interacting with the congregation, attempting to keep them engaged in the service.
This is a very important video. I love the compassion you presented it with.
I saw this mirrored on Cindy Lincoln's channel. I am very impressed by how you used the story of Saul to expose these kinds of pastors' behaviors without naming but, rather, putting the responsibility for specific identification on the viewer. This could have become just another ad hominem attack but, instead, is a great example of teaching.
Thank you!
...thank you once again for another great topic..it is so important 🙏🙏🙏!! I have always made a point to share your work in the social platform I use 🙏 including this one 😇
Awesome teaching! God bless you!
Hmm, I thoroughly enjoyed hearing your perspective on this. However, while you were explaining your points these three thoughts came to mind: Pride is an issue everyone struggles with. Why do people put spiritual leaders on some sort of pedestal? And should the focus be on looking at spiritual leaders with a microscope or when, not if, when they fall ensuring that grace is extended versus finger pointing and point making. My husband was a spiritual leader for 5 years, but more importantly he’s a human. The expectation for Pastors to be this perfect, arrived, unaffected by the very things everyone deals with in life is unreal and the pressure to show up as this person is unreal too. This leads many Pastors into isolation. I meet so many Pastors and their wives at retreats who struggle with this, that is, they are known of by many but truly known by few. What you touched on in the video is so good and it is applicable to ALL believers. Pastors have families, lives, bills, struggle emotionally, mentally, etc. This is why we are not to follow men, but we are to follow our spiritual leaders AS THEY follow Christ not looking at them as a sort of Christ. Spiritual leaders will fail you. The higher you put them up the harder they fall. And sadly when spiritual leaders fall many don’t have a safe place to land. From my POV a lot of pastors and their families don’t have a space to just be a friend; they’re always “othered”. How dare they show up to family dinner and not pray over the food, when the man of the house is present. How dare they have a off day and not be jolly ready with advice and a encouraging word. How dare they be going through a tough season and question God while you’re around. This leads to isolation, pride, creating a inner circle etc it’s a form of protection that may lead to sin yes, but it’s a protection nonetheless. I will digress.
Side note: I hope you don’t take this any kind of way though, but this has just been my experience seeing both sides of ministry. When God removes a Pastor he’s never done with them. I pray for these three Pastors restoration in all areas, I pray that they’re surrounded by real friends to walk with them through this, and a renewed zeal to pursue their first love. ❤️
What a heart full of wisdom, compassion and mercy...so touching and encouraging👏👏👏
Good word and perspective. We need to change this so pastors feel they have a safe place to share their own struggles.
Thank you Allen, once again very interesting and valuable lesson backed up by Scripture. God bless you.
Thank you for the sound teaching. Continue the good work.
God is our Judge he no's the hearts of men , pray for these men !
How can i pray for someone who does not have a name.
This is a whole Bible lesson for me! you are anointed for this! thank you!
Brother Allen, you have been a blessing in my life. I appreciate not only this but your ministry you have chosen. I appreciate your help in following the narrow way. I pray that you will continue to reach so many.
Thank you Brother Parr! I do see these signs quite often
Thank you for the video Brother Allen. I confess I have had pride and insecurity in my ministry along the way. I praise the Lord for humility and a crucified ego.
Keep at it brother the ego is a constant battle we need to take on specially for men
Blessings to you Bro. Allen. I continue to learn and grow spiritually from you.
I lived this for 8 years! You are so accurate and on point! Wow!! Articulated perfectly!
Humility is needed in church leadership.
Oh that's a imposter and scammer not the real one on here.
Yes Brother! Similar thing on Grace For Purpose videos. The last one I watched, it was on every comment.
Thank you for this. I have felt the extreme pain and public humiliation from such a leader. All points you have mentioned is very evident. Unfortunately there is no one that has been able to help this leader.
LOL, nice move Allen, I listened to the whole message which was very meaty. The dynamic between Saul and David plays out in everyday life. Through your message the blessed and the righteous can recognize the Saul in there lives. Also I thank you for the feeling of conviction on wanting to know the three pastors that were taking down but you're right it doesn't matter.
This is so good and true!!!! I've experienced spiritual abuse among other leaders because I chose and is choosing to speak out against abuse. But God is faithful to deal with all involved.
You nailed it AP. You described very well several of the characteristics of the senior pastor of my former church home. These qualities in him disqualified him from being my pastor. I am baffled by the fact that so many supposedly mature Christians continue to sit under such poor leadership.
I agree 100 percent
The supposedly mature leaders continue to sit under his poor leadership because they lack DISCERNMENT
Pastors are just men. If King David and other appointed biblical men can fall, so can any pastor. Never focus on men, but rather focus on Jesus...the author and finisher of our faith. We can learn from men, but it's best not to focus on them.
David fell even before he became King
@@the7thdean1 Yes, it's a perfect example of that fact that God chooses us because He loves us. His grace inspires me to seek a deeper relationship with Him. He is good!
@@JKinLVN ALL THE TIME!
Thank you for the route you took to explain the scripture and what to look for and not judging or naming names. This is great wisdom, insight and revelation. THANK YOU!
Well done, this approach brings us to pay attention to scripture and the warning signs vs having the focus on mortal men.
Haven't watched it yet, but I know it's gunna be good! Always praying for ya Allen! Keep it up!
Thank you Brother Allen. 🙏🏽
I was hoping for the names to be revealed! Yet, so glad that they weren’t! They have enough to deal with. Thank you for your sensitive approach to these leaders who mistakenly followed the paths that ruined their ministry. All leaders should always allow the soaking and saturation of the Person of the Holy Spirit. We’ll be held to a higher account.
Wow, this lesson was so spiritually enlightening! Thanks so much for sharing. 😊
About 8 or 9 years ago, I met an old man 93 years, he told me I have been going to this church all his life. And he told me I never knew that you had a confess with my mouth that JESUS IS LORD. Must have had right preacher in the pulpit. PS. I just put my arms around him and hugged him. And I wanted to take him home. 💕 The next day was his birthday. 💕
Many years ago, I suffered this exact some spiritual abuse from an insecure pastor. All six points applied. It really left me and my family hurting for a very long time. But, we never lost in our faith in God, but we went through a lot of painful grief and left the ministry.
You should have left that church!😢
@@leechjim8023 We did. I was on staff there, and so it was a loss of my job and our home church at the same time. Had to be done. I could no longer support such a pastor.
Well put together, thank you.
Wow. Thank you so much. This is greatly needed confirmation. This has greatly contributed to my path to complete healing. God bless you.
Man this is a hard one but well done. Thank you for addressing the reality, especially of spiritual abuse which we have either experienced or may be tempted to use. What I’m learning is the the strongest, like David or Solomon, Can fall into issues like this. Prayer and accountability .
Good to know there are still good pastors out there, like you. God bless pastor.
This video seems to explain my life when God wanted me to accept my calling. I felt understanding so strongly and this year I believe he confirmed my obedience. The way you explained the symptoms helps us become assured in what we see and in God’s word and path.
Preach, brother Allen! I've seen these things in several churches.
As you have very rightly stated, the lack of effective accountability lies at the root of many pastoral failures. The thing is that accountability needs to be build in from the very beginning. If not by the time it becomes an issue the power dynamic often has developed in a way that implementing effective accountability is not possible. Denominations with a strong hierarchical structure can have an advantage here over more independent churches.
4:15 that happened to my mom at my old toxic church. She worked in the children’s ministry and a lot of the higher leaders treated her all nice and when my mom declined their offer to join higher staff they “stone walled her” :(
Wow thank you for this explanation. I can definitely see this happening.
You are my favorite preacher on TH-cam. You cover so many issues and explain with the word of God. I agree with your theology and was raised by a very devout man of God who remained faithful until the end. We all should want to finish well and please our Savior
Wonderful message!! True believers need to be careful the churches and leaders they join, attend and follow. A great pastor is not just a powerful speaker or inspirational leader. A great pastor will care about each person and be faithful to preaching truth, even if it is not the most eloquent.
Yes, a heart for The Lord!
Brother Allen thanks for this video and the countless ones you’ve done in the past! You deep dive into some very difficult topics. God bless you!
My heart was convicted watching and listening to this video. May God have mercy. Thank you for the video Allen.
first, i've been following your youtube channel for quite sometime now; i enjoy how you're very straight forward, blunt and biblically sound.
second i'd like to point out from this video you did in which made me realize; my church a few years pulled a double standard stunt being discriminating against a particular group of people then dehumanizing them right in front of the whole entire congregation, then realized after this particular sermon one of my churches ministers stepped in to preach that night in place of my pastor whom normally preaches, i was utterly appalled after it was over then reported it to a loved one of mine that would quite fully understand were i was coming from with what was preached during that particular sermon a few years ago, its all worked out now; it hasn't happened since after the sermon that night i'm speaking of.
all i got out of that particular sermon was mentioning about a particular group of persons in which i personally believe it was heartless. it also made me realize, thats not gods heart; gods heart is LOVE and nothing but fully of LOVE for his children. i definitely prayed to god that night that my church personally would never pull that stunt again; sure enough; shortly after my praying to god, it showed me that god showed me my church hasn't pulled that stunt ever again; PRAISE OUR LORD AND SAVIOR FOR GIVING ME A SIGN ON HIS TIMING! : )