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Atheist Debates - What Men Want?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
- Dueling Christian memes about what sort of woman a proper, adult, Christian man should seek as a wife.
I kid you, not, this is clearly important stuff!
As a man, I prefer women who prefer me.
Wow , how stunning and brave of you. But if you could have whatever you want what would you want in a women? Would you prefer one who was in debt and who sleeps around?
@@n0etic_f0x the question is what would you prefer???? Omfg you're ridiculous or your comprehension is just really low 🤣🤣🤣
@@sunkillsmoon Someday when you start having relationships with women there's something you will discover: that women are people, not objects you select from a supermarket shelf. The reason this is important is because people are unique, and thus cannot be swapped out for similar items that have more preferable attributes. If you love a woman, then you love THAT particular woman, not another similar-looking woman. Regardless of how much debt she has hor how many past relationships she's had, you can't swap the love of your life out for a different person and have the same relationship going forward. There are no preferences, there are only people.
@@while_coyote I've had plenty of relationships lmfao I don't think you understand what the word prefer means 🤣🤣 women prefer tall men and that's totally socially acceptable but men can't have any preferences 🤣🤣
@@while_coyote I want to hear you say it , go ahead and say " in general, women don't prefer tall men" 🤣🤣
Guaranteed debt free, virgin without tattoos? I think you can order them, but you have to inflate them yourself.
Yikes
@@InigoMontoya- your argument is only suggesting these traits are hard to obtain
That doesn’t change the fact that they’re desirable to aspire towards
I prefer intelligent women who are smart enough to know fact from fiction.
How do you know religion is fiction?
I prefer bald silver-tongued bearded men with recently-refreshed arteries, but that's just for watching debates.
@@virtualpaladin3507 is harry potter?
@@virtualpaladin3507 Best guess shows it's equally evidentiary to the marvel, DC OR Harry Potter universes
@@virtualpaladin3507 I mean, you have to agree that the vast majority of religion is fiction, since different religions make incompatible claims.
As "a man" i can definitely say that _I_ and many other men I know prefer women who _don't_ "proclaim Jesus is Lord."🙅♂
Men prefer not being told what to prefer.
Humans*
They aren't being told what to prefer, they're being told what they innately and rationally prefer.
@@heldinahtmlhellonly that it is neither inate nor rational to prefer those traits. Its creepy purity culture bullshit, that only men children could ever think are inportant.
@@heldinahtmlhellYou are still trying to tell other men what they prefer, putting the words innately and rationally in there don't change that.
@@leothenomad5675 Yes, they do.
Basic evolutionary biology is what it is. Crying about it doesn't change it.
Think about what this purity crap does to women who were molested or raped as children. I was attacked at 7, and technically “lost my virginity” at that time(I share this freely so others will feel safe to). My mother was heavily into virginity and I always felt lesser than and somehow soiled-certainly not good enough. I received no therapy or help until much later on.
When I hear men go on about this, I can’t describe the rage I feel. Most of the time they are definitely NOT virgins themselves yet they expect women to hold themselves to an utterly different standard. Disgusting. If men ever think women hate and fear them, they should never ask why. It’s fucking obvious
You still have your virginity if it was forced upon you.
Thank you.😂
"Protect the purity in our children." - Catholic priests
I am glad you got help eventually, and your rage is absolutly justified.
Don’t blame men for your shitty parents
SAME🤬 the rage is unbearable knowing that these men and women have never once thought of how disgusting their purity message is to victims. I grew up reading “Lives of the Saints” and internalized that it’s better to get brutally murdered than to get raped because virgins are worth more to God ( IE Catholics venerate St Maria Goretti who chose to get stabbed to death rather than get raped, and is glorified for protecting her virginity?!) nothing to do with her good works or morality, she just died protecting her virginity which was enough for sainthood😤 So much for trying to survive by complying…it’s emotional and mental ABUSE on such a widespread level to teach children this. Absolutely atrocious
I'm a debt-free virgin without tattoos.
I'm also a lesbian.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
That's the fourth thing men want. 😏
@@EmperorMegasSo true!!!
@@EmperorMegas😂
I keep seeing people presume virginity of a woman just because she hadn't been with a man. Even if she'd been with a woman. I hope that's not the case here because sex is valid no matter which gender you've been with.
Virginity is also just a social construct. But sorry if this wasn't meant this way, I just wanted to say it.
I’m not gonna listen to anyone telling me what men want. I’m a man, I know what I want. Why can’t people just mind their own goddamn business?
*The above statement has been fact checked by real men.
He is not talking about you as an individual. He is talking about the aggregate traditional man.
I am willing to bet you don’t align with the aggregate traditional man.
@@Dr.HowieFeltersnatch exactly, they get too triggered and always conflate this messaging as though it’s being directed at them as an individual
@@Gumpmachine1
Yeah, it’s like fine, go be a weirdo. Nobody really cares about you as an individual.
But don’t pretend that your way is life is shared by the majority of people. And don’t act like acknowledging norms is a personal attack on your ability to potentially act outside the norm.
Nobody is immune from criticism
Debt-free is their sly way to say no higher education.
Limited education, no sexual experience, no external expressions of individuality and personality. This is incel territory yikes
It’s can also be a sly way of saying young and inexperienced
Oh wow… I never thought of it that way!
The majority of the human race, doesn’t have higher education.
Damn. That’s a rly smart observation
I see many memes about what a good christian woman should be like, but almost never one for the men.
Kinda shows that it's all about trying to control women.
The debt thing is a dog whistle for women with an education. It refers to student debt.
What a man wants, what a man needs, what Dillahunty puts in his feeds.
😂
Epic! *does 90s choreo*
That's the devils music!!!
As a 60 year old man, I work vigorously to maintain my virginity, so that I can be a good example for my son.
It's a great trait to pass down the family tree.
Riiiiiiiigghht.
Matt, technically, a woman who buys a house on her own and thus a mortgage is not debt-free. That's another example of women seeking to be strong and independent, on top of something like student loans.
I feel like this meme was more aimed at young women rather than at men.
The sentiment that men want purity is directed at women, but the actual discussion is for the manosphere. It's all that these dudes obsess over all day every day. If you go to the comments you will find hundreds of men, arguing to death over this exact thing.
Really good seeing Matt tackling these culture war issues relating to religion. These, and political issues, are the real threat fundamentalist Christianity poses to society.
Seeing as how his personal life is and has always been a wreck, nobody will really take him seriously tho.
Matt has religion too, he picks and chooses when he’s really serious about applying his reason and skepticism. Matt believes a man can turn into a woman. Even atheists can hold religious views.
@@oneznzeroz We can indeed all be dogmatic. But that doesn’t mean Matt has a religion; his worldview is a scientific worldview, which means it’s the opposite of religion. The heart of science is doubt, whereas the heart of religion is faith; science asserts the fallibility of the knowledge it generates; religion asserts the infallibility of the knowledge it pretends comes from a deity. Science is based on evidentiary logic and experimentation; religion is based on scripture and revelation.
@@oneznzeroz Also, atheism is the antonym of religion; saying atheism is religion is like saying wet is dry; it’s a logical contradiction; it’s an irrational statement. Unlike religion, atheism is not a belief system. Atheism it’s simply, and singly, the lack of belief in gods. Rather than religion, atheism is the lack of religion!
@@oneznzeroz Also, atheism is the antonym of religion; saying atheism is religion is like saying wet is dry; it’s a logical contradiction; it’s an irrational statement.
Men prefer rocks which when you tap on them twice they produce water
If they produce children even better 🤣
What is this a reference to. I'm not religious but I want a cool water rock.
@@cmapez Exodus story. If you tap on a rock once it produces water, twice you die because you were impatient with god's miracle.
@@codatheseus5060 Following directions exactly as they're given can be important. Sort of like making sure you light a match BEFORE turning on the gas when using the oven.
@@theboombody why is that the response?
No mention about the Bible saying men must pay a dowery.
Sorry to be the asshole (not enough to keep from posting, though): *dowry
Yes, when a father transferred the daughter which he owned, to her new husband, she had a higher value if she was a virgin. The reasons to value virginity are all social and all created by men.
It's funny to me that many men claim to want traditional women but also look down on gold diggers when being a gold digger is the most traditional a woman can be. It was literally a woman's responsibility to try to land the richest, most powerful husband they could and love had no part in that.
We look down on obvious gold diggers who don’t add value to a man’s life
All women are gold diggers to some extent that trade their sexual access for a man’s resources
Sure, here are specific details to address each point:
### Key Assertions and Counterpoints
1. **Men claim to want traditional women but look down on gold diggers.**
- **Traditional Values:** Traditional values often emphasize qualities such as loyalty, family-oriented nature, and partnership. For example, in many cultures, women were valued for their roles in maintaining the household and raising children.
- **Criticism of Gold Digging:** The term "gold digger" generally carries a negative connotation because it implies a relationship based solely on financial gain rather than mutual affection or respect. This criticism is rooted in the modern value system that prioritizes genuine emotional connections over financial transactions.
2. **Being a gold digger is the most traditional role for a woman.**
- **Historical Marriage Norms:** While financial considerations were important, they were not the sole focus. For example, in medieval Europe, marriages often involved dowries and land exchanges, but they also considered family alliances and social status.
- **Cultural Variations:** In many societies, women were valued for their roles beyond just seeking wealth. In ancient China, Confucian values emphasized women's roles in maintaining family harmony and fulfilling filial duties.
3. **Historically, it was a woman's responsibility to find the richest, most powerful husband, and love was not involved.**
- **Strategic Marriages:** While strategic marriages were common, love and companionship were also significant. For instance, in ancient Rome, marriages among the elite often involved political alliances, but love poetry and personal letters indicate that emotional bonds were important.
- **Evolution of Marriage:** Over time, the concept of marriage evolved. In the 19th century, the idea of marrying for love became more widespread in Western societies. For example, the Victorian era saw a rise in literature and societal norms that emphasized romantic love.
### Historical Context
- **Medieval Europe:** Marriages often included financial and social considerations, but chroniclers and poets like Geoffrey Chaucer depicted love and partnership as important aspects of marriage.
- **Ancient Rome:** While alliances were crucial, Roman literature, such as the works of Ovid and Pliny the Younger, highlighted the importance of love and personal connection.
- **19th Century Western Society:** The rise of romantic literature, such as the novels of Jane Austen, reflected a shift towards valuing love and personal choice in marriage.
I'm a bit dyslexic, I thought it was saying men should be virgins etc. I was surprised that would be a thing and I was right. It was about the women. Of course it was....
Every time I've heard a man say he wants a virgin, I deduced this was caused by sexual inadequacy. This ties to the no tattoos thing too. This is about not wanting a woman with experience, as this will leave them with something to compare them to.
Experience... AKA, men don't want 304s
The more sexual partners a person has, the less likely it is for them to be able to be in a monogamous relationship.
Who wants to be with someone who is constantly comparing them to their Ex partners?
I've always found that reasoning odd. Unless someone is very sheltered they must surely be aware that sex is supposed to feel good? And a good portion of people will have masturbated before having partner sex. When I had my first sexual relationship I knew damn well he was terrible in bed, even without prior lovers for comparison. I haven't had any other partner since him so I still have nobody else to compare him to, and I still know he sucked. Because even without anyone to compare him to I could obviously tell that it didn't feel good. Of course some people really are so sheltered that they may have sex and think "huh, I guess this is it" but surely most people with some exposure to the real world are aware that it's supposed to be quite enjoyable?
@@KreeZafi That’s not the point.
@@Tangentbordsblueslol incel troll detected
Is there a more common tattoo in america than a cross?
Im sorry i cant marry you, you have a mortgage.
Yes, she could be one hundred thousand dollars in debt on her $3.5 million dollar home.
Yeah but think about it.
If a woman has a mortgage, she probably has a job because a bank wouldn’t have given her a mortgage if she didn’t have a job. (Technically you give the bank the mortgage btw, but we speak colloquially improperly on this topic)
If a woman has a job, she doesn’t have time to stay and home at take full devoted care of the children properly.
So what man would ideally want to take on that situation, unless they had no other choice? Which is why most men who settle for this type of thing are wagees, who are beholden to their boss and the financial system.
Wealthy men with high paying jobs want to make sure that their wife is home all day with the kids to give their kids the most attention possible. Also, they want to come home from work and have their wife be there.
One of the first things I screen for in a woman is that she doesn’t have a job, or that she is willing to quit her job. If she refuses, I think she is prioritizing her career over me and potential children, and I drop her immediately.
@@Dr.HowieFeltersnatch And they say romance is dead! 🤣
Oh no… *the UNINSPIRED SOPHIST is involved.*
He needs to change the name of his channel: "Inspiring real philosophers to expose that I have no understanding of philosophy, and am just faking it for money and attention"!
I can't see how one could justify saying that women should be debt-free to be marriageable without saying that men should be as well, unless you're advocating for women to be financially dependent on their husbands. The idea that men specifically want their wife to be financially dependent on them is pretty gross, if you ask me.
I just let out the loudest groan. I thought Inspiring Misanthropy's greatest cringe was his religious tweets. I had no idea.
I prefer women who believe in logic and reason.
But only if they good looking otherwise who cares
“No, I’m not gonna start off by singing-“
[immediately moves to another video]
But not before commenting first apparently? Ok
Haha . 😅
Yeah I wouldn't mind Matt posting his Atheist Debates - The Musical
REAL men want the GI Joe aircraft carrier USS Flagg with working missile launchers and Hawkeye’s jet so you can take off and land while your friends take gunnery positions and defend the Joes. Go Joe!
7:35. The other thing they are saying " If you stay in the care of your father ", that is, in the family home ( when not at church, 10 hours a day ) so that you will not, in any way get "grubby". The girl has to move from under her father into under her husband's rule, no matter how grubby he is, having hidden it from father.
The only debt i have is because of emergency healthcare.... Imagine being told your not worthy of marriage because you were literally dying and wanted to save your life. 😂
Regardless it’s still are problem because a woman’s debt inevitably becomes the man’s problem in a relationship
At the end of the day, regardless of which one you choose, it’s all about control, shame and fear.
Women prefer men who don't charge interest on loans, don't cut their forelocks, and who celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest.
I thought the same thing Matt. “Debt-free“ is a dog whistle for uneducated, careerless future housewife and breeder.
Atheist is a dog whistle for communist.
Yep, everyone out here is lying except for you, the paragon of virtue. Everyone bow down.
@@JonO387it is a dog whistle mate. Look it up. And noch t everyone is lying, only those that claim inexpierence is attractive.
Seriously, you can defend non traditional women without belittling traditional ones. There's nothing wrong with women choosing to be stay at home wives and mothers.
@@hannajung7512 Virginity is attractive, not inexperience.
In the past, when paternal parentage could not be reliably determined, female virginity was seen as important for men to know that their children were their children. That's no longer the case.
they knew that a woman needs to be pregnant allready when entering the relationship to have her child not be yours. This is the reason for the rule to wait until a woman's shorn hair grows back to length befor taking her as wife, when you took her as spoils of war. Yes they claim its to allow her to grieve... but lets be real...
what do you mean it's no longer the case? stable families are still important, biology didn't take a backseat as much as you pretend it has
@@Strange9952 What does the kid being the husband's have to do with stability? Men marry women who already have kids from previous relationships all the time.
And what if one member of the couple is sterile? Should those couples just not have kids?
@@Strange9952, writes _"what do you mean it's no longer the case?"_
We now have DNA testing to confirm or rule out parentage. A man no longer has to wonder if a child is his, a couple of simple cheek swabs is all that's required to know for certain -- one way or the other.
@@Strange9952Never heard of DNA testing huh?
I prefer women that I can have a good conversation with (to put it succinctly), but the kinda guy that falls for that meme isn't going to cut it with my type.
Ok that’s the pc answer we give to women to not upset them but reality is the main thing we find attractive about women is their physical sexual appeal. Evolutionary biology 101
Everything else comes later
The tattoo thing, like virginity, is also about purity, and it’s therefore also about control.
Eh, tattoos, big or many tattoos in particular, do have that criminality association going on, so I don’t think that’s as black and white.
@@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430 you can like or dislike tattoos; not an issue; it’s in the context of this meme and fundamentalist Christianity that it becomes about purity and control.
If you want to redefine “control” as setting standards, then sure.
I'm a 41 year old man without tattoos and I've dated women without any so where does the control come into play?
@@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430 oh so the female nurses, doctors, and surgeons I work with that have tattoos are criminals now?
It's not just about purity, it's about submissiveness. The no tattoo thing is just another way of saying women can't have bodily autonomy.
No, it's just ugly and unfeminine.
No tattoos especially if they have a lot can be indicative of poor lifestyle decisions
Men who women want despite their protestations look for little clues about a woman’s suitability for long term relationship material.
It’s the desperate men who women don’t really find attractive that won’t enforce these standards
Another video, love the content burst
Matt disappoints again. No singing, and I’ve yet to see him dance.
Otherwise, great, informative video as always.
Matt dancing...
my friend, you are a genius.😂😂😂
What I hate about generic memes is that people start interpreting it multiple ways.
Yea, almost like the Bible. Lol
The debt thing is 🐂 💩
& a dog whistle at best.
- There’s a reason banks use “credit scores”
Because debt means different things for different people!
Let’s not pretend like debt matters, when the only thing that matters about debt is the situation you’re in.
You know that a wealthy doctor with $5,000 debt is better off
…than a struggling waiter with no debt whatsoever.
Because it’s not debt itself that really matters
Saying "The debt thing is
& a dog whistle at best" is a dog whistle, at best.
@@shlockofgod
I don’t know if you’re just ignorant about the phrase,
or if your reading comprehension is really this poor…
But nobody is “Dog Whistling” when they go on & on writing multiple long winded paragraphs,
explicitly explaining their point
It’s pretty much the opposite of Dog Whistling
I’m not trying to be subtle about what I’m saying.
I’m stating it very openly!
Just type it in a search engine and look it up, the next time you don’t know the meaning of a phrase
BEFORE trying to use it in conversation
@Alulim-Eridu No, a dog whistle can still be a dog whistle regardless of how much you follow it up.
And you believe otherwise, then the debt thing can not be a dog whistle because the people who cite it also go on writing paragraphs explaining their point.
@@shlockofgod
Explain to me how & what I’m dog whistling?
What secret message am I trying to express?
When I say that pretending like the mere existence of debt,
is a completely bullshit excuse…?
Am I not being clear enough that I agree that;
they’re using “debt” as a stand in for things like inexperience?
If I’m not being clear enough…
I absolutely think they’re saying “debt”
when what they really mean is they want someone;
young,
who doesn’t have a lot of life experience,
who probably doesn’t have of that pesky higher education, etc etc
A 30 yo doctor or a lawyer with a small debt,
is not in a more challenging position than a 20yo waitress with no debt & no degree
Which is why the debt isn’t really what they’re worried about when they say “debt”
- So what about that is a secret dog whistle?
What hidden meaning could I have?
Yes but debt on women is generally a problem because they tend to go into useless careers
The loophole! Played that for a Catholic friend once, she was very embarrassed.
I’m 42 so I have no expectation (or desire) of being with a virgin, however I have no interest in women who are or were promiscuous. I also find tattoos unattractive, and I would prefer a woman who’s debt free because I’m debt free and financially reasonable. Nobody would have a problem if this was a women’s preference in men 🤦🏾♂️
This is not the point. That you prefer these things is okay. Well, the virgin thing would be really stupid, but that does not apply to you.
The problem is what the meme says about women.
The meme literally doesn’t say anything about women and only lists what men prefer.
Bro what is this comment section filled with (not refering to these replies)
No, the problem isn't one person (you) saying that is your preference. The problem is some people saying this is and/or should be EVERY man's preference in women. Then it's a problem
@@bookwermofthefandomsyes because it should if you’re aim is to have a successful marriage
Divorce statistics aren’t flash
I prefer debt-free women who have no tattoos. I also prefer beautiful women who have no STD's and are still fertile. I also prefer women with less sexual partners.
Everything else being the same, I would choose X over Y == I prefer X over Y == I prefer X
With this definition this meme is partially right, I'd say 2/3 right. Men might prefer a woman with some skills over a first timer, but having a lot of sexual partners is looked down upon. For biological reasons, I'd argue (if challenged). But the point isn't what should be prefered but only for what is prefered.
I think Matt would have done a lot better, if he had said something like 'yeah, but those aren't the most important things, and men will make compromises. It also doesn't mean that tattoos are bad or dirty or a sign of someone being a md mother for example. But someone might think that. Just as someone might find them ugly or they might think women with tattoos have a more wild sexual history.
Again, perhaps you don't care, but I'd argue majority does.
Now, I understand if you prefer someone with tattoos. That's completely subjective. But the other opinions, I'd claim, are already a majority view.
Of course an engineer with a student loan of $100,000 and a salary of $90,000 is prefered over a handy-man with credit card loans of $50,000 and a salary of $30,000. And a handy-man with no loans and with same $30,000 yearly income is prefered over someone with the debt. Debt in itself is considered is bad thing.
And how many would say to their spouse:
'I don't think you are pretty and that's why I like you!'
I'd claim most people find their spouse attractive - or atleast wish they did. And hence would prefer a beautiful partner.
I think this boils down to how Matt saw this as a christian meme and then picked a less favourable definition of the word _prefer_ than what was implied.
I consider calling in a show about this video. I am an atheist and didn't expect to disagree with something Matt said this much.
Statistically, I probably prefer debt-free women because if a woman is rich enough to take away all my worries, she's not going to be in debt. But I don't have that as a requirement in the way that the meme implies.
It's a preference, not a requirement.
One doesn't need to be rich to be debt free...
Kind of like a sugar momma?
No judgment if it is; my fantasy.😂😂😂
@@shlockofgod That's why I said it's my preference and clarified it's not a requirement
@@JonO387 What my comment said was that you need to be debt free to be rich, not that you need to be rich to be debt free. Those are two very different statements, and the one you're asserting as false actually doesn't have anything to do with what I said.
Though the version that I did use is technically false because of the weird way that money works - some people can just keep spending it even when owing a debt, making them qualify as "rich" even when their balance should sometimes even be negative - but it's also clear that this isn't the kind of debt that was meant by me or the original meme.
41 homeowner here.
I an an atheist but also think that the less hoing around both men and women do the better.
Also, being financially intelligent both attractive and beneficial to both parties. I don't consider a reasonable car payment, a couple grand on credit cards, or a home mortgage to be debt. But if you have 20, 30, 40k in credit cards, 100k in student loans for a useless degree (dr lawyer engineer accountant etc is fine) is just reckless and I want no part of that.
Being married means you're joining forces and if one of the forces is recklessly in debt it will just cause grief and problems for both people.
But these are all the things that you prefer, not everyone (particularly those who prefer their wife be dependent on them). You're doing the 'no true man' thing again.
If 'less *hoeing' is more conducive to a happy relationship, how much hoeing is too much hoeing and where can I find the stats?
Finally, why do you mention marriage specifically and solely at the end. Does one need to be married for the financial and non-slut attributes to apply?
The only thing "Inspiring Philosophy" does for philosophy, is lure real philosophers out of the woodwork to comment on the fact that Michael has no clue how philosophy really works, and if he does, then he's abusing it as part of his con!
“Debt free” aka uneducated…shocker
Say that don't think women should get an education without saying women shouldn't get an education
It's telling that "education"always comes with significant debt in people's minds. It shows that most of these degrees are probably economically worthless.
@@shlockofgod That's a weird interpretation. In the universe I inhabit, all degrees cost money regardless of economic worth. Is it different in your universe?
@@diemwing Generally the degree is supposed to pay for itself.
@@shlockofgod Immediately after graduation? Again, can I move to your universe where students can expect to graduate debt-free?
@@diemwing No one said immediately after graduation. No one argued for it being debt free free. Try to listen.
Debts are mitigated the more the thing you got into debt for has value. Many, if not most degrees, have little economic value. They cannot pay for themselves and are worthless. College is largely a scam, that get's young people compromise themselves financially and sexually.
The debt thing looks like a modern form of dowry, but instead of providing a benefit (a positive value) to the groom, it doesn’t impose what these conservatives regard as a cost (a negative value); it effectively works like a bride price, turning women into a commodity, a property of their husbands. Totally disgusting.
You must have a lot of debt
Do tell: how many ladies want a guy with debt?
I can't tell if this is satire
I don't do Twitter, so I don't know if I'm missing context here, but the channel was named "Just posting Ls". For those who may not be familiar, if some says "L take" or "take the L" they are referring to losing or failure. So the channel was making it clear, as far as I can see, that this was a dumbass take and then these two christian dudes came in and proved the channel right.
That women respect me for what I am and not because they "have" to.
You nailed it on the head…. They don’t want independent women. They want subservient breeders. I chose the opposite!
A virgin without debt can't be independent?
Ill take the subservient breeders youve rejected.
They dont come with excess baggage.
@@poughkeepsieblue
"They don't come with excess baggage "
Besides the self hatred that is.
@@FoursWithin yeah
Exactly what i like
@@poughkeepsieblue
Sounds like the loving Gods have answered all your fervent prayers.
Debt-free... ? Sure, always nice to be debt-free, but doesn't realy impact dating that much....
Virgin... ? Why? Why would i want to prefer someone without experience? I seriously don't see the benefit of that, unless someone is so insecure that they don't want their partner to have any reference...
Tattoos? Can be sexy as hell : 3
Great! You have an opinion too!
That quote is initially from the title of a blog post by Lori Alexander, known as The Transformed Wife. When she says "debt-free" it's basically code for uneducated. She makes it very clear in the article that what she means is women shouldn't attend university, they should just get married and pop out babies and be stay at home moms.
Debt free means someone who did not pay a lot of money for something stupid like gender studies and have her future husband pays for it because her degree is useless for job interviews.
Non-virgin women loses their pair bonding ability the more sexual partners they have.
Tattoos(includes piercings) indicates the women have daddy issues, low self control and no proper male role model in her life. Tattoos also means her job prospects will be very limited because what suit and tie company would want to hire her.
@@Tangentbordsbluesyes, in the streets, at your work place, at university, in churches, on beaches, in forests, at the train station, in bats... we are fucking everywhere. Because no one chains us to the house, we are free to go where ever we want.
@@hannajung7512 I think I've run across your kind in the wild. It left an indelible impression that will take years to fade. ;)-
And, get out of my bat please.
Correct
-Tattoos are indicative of poor personal decision making and long term planning
-Debt ends of becoming a man’s problem because we’re traditionally in a breadwinning role
-Virginity (lack of promiscuity) has always been prized and helps guarantee paternity
Thank you❤
virgins are rare, debt free are unicorns
Not so much for those under 18. That's what they're really talking about. They're on the Matt Gaetz prowl.
They were giving a optimal standard
Obviously they meant as a man you should try to get as close to that standard as possible depending on how much influence you have in the dating market place
Before I got married I was all these things. You know how? Avoiding men who think like these men....
Cope, men who value these things hold themselves to high standards and have the same requirements from women
These statistically are the most sort after men according to dating app data
I prefer women who are true to themselves, honest with themselves and believe in themselves. If they can do that then together we will be true, honest and move through life knowing and believing together we can accomplish anything we set ourselves to without unreal expectations of eachother.
Ok that’s the pc answer we as men tell women to get in their pants but let’s cut the crap
Men want women who are attractive and aren’t a pain in the ass. That’s pretty much it
Matt ur my savior
Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
It's almost as though all Christianity is just a bunch of men presenting their personal opinions as representing the desires of an omnipotent being who despite being omnipresent, cannot speak for himself.
If it were it wouldn't say to love your wife as Christ loved the church.
@@theboombody Hmmm, if you say so.
Evolutionary biological reasons actually under pin these religious standards
So they actually make sense even if the reason they’re using is a bit off
I remember very well in the late 90s and early 2000s when we were fighting Islamism on various fronts. We were fighting groups such as the Taliban, and Christians were all up in arms about how those people treated women so barbarically.
Fast forward 20 years and they're playing out the thing they decried, but apparently it's okay because it's "for Jesus".
Of course, I'd *prefer* no debt, just like I prefer me to have no debt. But it's not a hard requirement. As for tattoos, I don't care for people who are covered in them, but a reasonable number of reasonable size ones is no problem. But that's an aesthetic judgement, not a moral one. As for virginity, sounds like somebody who has no clue yet what they like, sexually. For the more general "purity" Matt talked about, I certainly want somebody who is as much of a freak as me, and in a compatible way.
give me ink and experience every time! great content !
think somebody you can sit and talk to would be a better starting point none of the rest matters if you don't get on
I'm a woman; I'm English; I'm debt-free; I'm 5' 6" tall; I weigh 9½ stone; I'm happily single and straight; I have a 30" waist; I have auburn hair; I have no piercings; I have no tattoos; I have no religious faith or beliefs whatsoever; at school my nickname was 'Eleanor WatermEleanor'; I have a NN-cup bosom that weighs 24 lbs.
Sadly, I know what (at least some) men want.😞
With what you’ve described you have positioned yourself very nicely to get a man that all women want.
Theirs a attitude that if men dare express preferences then look at the reaction they get yet women have no problem listing all the crap they want
Debt Free. It wasn't until the 70's that it was legal for women to have a credit card.
So I agree, it's about independence.
So people had sex and got tattoos.
Who. F-ing. Cares?!😂
For finances, sure. I guess since you made mistakes, I don't want you. Just like jesus says.😂😂😂
Where did Jesus say that?
@@nothingtoyou2365 That's the joke, dumb dumb.😂
@@nothingtoyou2365 That's. The. Joke.😂
@@nothingtoyou2365 You may think hell is a joke but I'm' telling you the truth hell is for those who refuse the free gift of God - eternal life - to know him because they are too proud to admit they are sinners. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Unbelief is the only reason souls/spirits go to hell.
John 3:17,18
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Female promiscuity is a big red flag
If you had a choice (not that reality works this way) between two identical people except that one had debt and the other doesn't, everyone would pick the person with no debt. In reality the question of debt can't be determined without knowing why and how much. A women who is in debt because she's bought a house and has a mortgage is (for lack of a better term) "more desirable" than a women who has squandered her money and racked up the same amount of debt on latte's and shoes.
Some men prefer virgins while others prefer women who have experience and know what they're doing and what they like so that compatibility can be established before commitments are made.
And the tattoo thing is just stupid. Some men like tattoos, some don't. Some men like piercings, some don't. Some men prefer long hair some don't.
the "debt free" und s a dog whistle for "no college education"
and to prefer "virgins" is really creepy, especcially since they NEVER mean "30 years old and virgin", they mean "teenager with no experience"
@@hannajung7512 It's a shame I can only give one thumbs up. Your comment deserves more.
@hannajung7512 absolutely, they mean "inexperienced and easy to manipulate". Personally, I wouldn't want to become involved in a long term way with a virgin. Who knows if what they're going to end up liking, and if that's compatible with my preferences? Much better for both people to have a little experience and know that they like similar things, and to get that all sorted relatively early on. Otherwise, you can get very emotionally attached, but just can't get over the incompatibility.
Man or woman, I think it's valid to not want to start building a life with someone who has debt, of course, depending on the kind of debt it is and how much. Personally, I think it speaks to someone's relationship with money, which could be a liability in the future.
As an American I remember that we don’t have lords.
Yeah you do. The state.
@@shlockofgod You do you.
No, we don't but Americans have many false gods.
You may think hell is a joke but I'm' telling you the truth hell is for those who refuse the free gift of God - eternal life - to know him because they are too proud to admit they are sinners. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Unbelief is the only reason souls/spirits go to hell.
John 3:17,18
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
@@paulgemme6056No. There’s no such thing. It’s all a fiction.
@@dennish.7708 God/Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit is as real as the air we breathe. We can't see the air, but we know without it we die. It's the same with God. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
That meme is disgusting
It's true. Men overwhelming prefer virgins and debt is a red flag.
I prefer to be left alone. Being a gamer, i set this one life on single player, and live my life for me.
I guess if you ask a man what they prefer its going to vary as much as asking what someone wants on their pizza.
Just reiteration. But... it should be first on the agenda to always say men's preferences are to be ignored, or avoided at all costs, if any attention paid at all.
What is this a response to, because it's wrong and doesn't fit the video?
how did you comment this 3 weeks ago if the video was posted 6 minutes ago?
@@SansDeity It is a cultural response. In a world where women are allowed to say they want six feet, six figures and at least six inches that any time a man says what he wants there is cultural push back. Promiscuity is bad for long term relationships, Tattoos are often a sign of self inflicted pain and may indicate mental illness. Men need to watch for red flags, not just women, but when we warn other men we are demonized.
That sounds like it is fueled by men hating movement.
@@SansDeity it's a joke reaction to the title
I am an atheist and I married a virgin. We are both atheists, but it still doesn't mean that it's a bad idea.
No emotional damage or abuse from other partners
Stronger Emotional Bond
No discussion of the past or past boyfriend/issues of jealousy
It's proven that too many partners damage your ability to pair bond.
I got a brand-new car. Why would I want a used car with some advertisement paint job all over the doors?
Tattoos on the other hand glorify the "Bad boy/bad girl" lifestyle. It's like if I see a woman drinking alcohol and smoking. She had to learn that behavior from somewhere, whether it was peer pressure or wanting to explore.
As a rule of thumb, you generally don't see wife material women drinking, smoking and wearing tattoos, simply from my observations.
I pity your wife.
@@ampere11 She's happy. We have a family and amassed lots of wealth together, why would you pity her? are you doing better?
Comparing women to cars is not really strengthing your point
@@wuketuke6601 Doesn't matter what I compare it to! You can look at studies.
My wife is probably happier than most of you commenting in this post. You can pretend that "Love" has no rules. But this is all evolution. When was the last time you saw a super model going out with a homeless man. There are underlying evolutionary rules at play. Comparing to a car or to anything else doesn't change that fact.
Body count matters for men. The lower, the better.
Many partners affect your ability to pair bond.
Couples who married with low body count or virgins statistically outlast those with many partners.
It has nothing to do with religion. The data is there.
@@PeterMasalski93 I pity her because she has a husband who compares her to a car and commodifies her sexuality as some sort of value proposition and equates female expression with poor values or trauma.
The fact that you use the term body count tells me all that I need to know. Now I really pity your wife. I wonder if she knows she's married to a misogynist.
Debt free? Then men can wait till im 40 and have paid off my debt😂
who wants a virgin? i mean, really??
Is it ok to prefer people who know what they're doing. ?
I wouldn’t mind because it’s been demonstrated that virgins have the greatest success rates in marriage
She also has less accumulated baggage from prior relationships and won’t be a single mom
Its always incels that have been rejected by women with tattoos and experience etc..
Always..
You’d like to think that, wouldn’t you? 😂
@Hyperborean-fz9vt I know that. If it isn't that it's your regressive religious beliefs. I'm not a woman.. yeah I do think that..
@Hyperborean-fz9vt it's that or religion either way..both are regressive..
I’m neither religious, nor an incel. I’m assuming you are American? If so, it makes sense. Most Americans struggle to comprehend the fact that there are other cultures around the world with different value systems. I have friends who also view those things you listed as negative, and are happily married with families. If you look outside of America, most of the guys who set high standards are far from incels. I set high standards because I can. 🤷🏻♂️
@@Hyperborean-fz9vt you struggle to understand why it's ignorant of you to judge a woman negativity because she has tattoos. I know many female nurses, surgeons, and even doctors with tattoos.
Men prefer the company of a person with shared interests. That's why so many who choose a partner based on dogma spend most of their free time somewhere else.
The amount of non debt free non virgins with 500 bodies by the age of 19 in this chat is insane
I prefer others don't interfere with my preferences; that's my business.
I always find it amusing when the same people tell you that you're a man if you have XY chromosomes and a penis and the way you think, feel and act plays no part in that, but also that you're not a real man if you don't think, feel and act in a particular way.
Men want what other men want and what they can’t have. Simple.
I think that's a meme. One could argue that women prefer muscular men 6 feet or taller who earn over 10k per month. Most people don't get what they want...
I, as a hetero woman, don't give a flying fig what men want. I only care what I want in men.
Problem with that attitude is that you’re going to need to understand what men want to get the types of things you want from the men you desire
Lol 😂
I guess I shouldn't have gay married my husband. He has a tattoo, he took out a student loan to go to college, and he wasn't a virgin. Guess it doesn't matter we've been together for twelve years monogamously and never had a fight. That we do things for each other to help bring out the best in us and make our lives better. Nope, it's not about any of that, it's tattoo's, virginity, and debt.
Lol 😆 🤣 😂 😹
No one can say what a man wants because all men are different, just as all women are different. Not to mention that some men like myself want another man instead of a woman. I know one thing this man doesn't want is for another person to speak about what I as a man wants. I wish people would speak for themselves instead of generalizing what everyone wants based on their wants.
I don’t think the meme is implying student loan debt. I think it’s more about wanting a woman who is a blank slate without any “baggage”. It would be a broadened idea of purity that pretty much just means there is nothing perceived as irresponsible in her past
I am not religious or particular about virginity, but there is something to not having casual sex. Sex is related to emotions, and emotional well being comes from sex in a loving relationships.
If you paid more attention to the manosphere you would know that none of these things have anything to do with Independent Women it's all about selecting women that aren't going to cause you problems
To follow the example of Jesus... then as a man you are not to have sex, ever. Jesus died a virgin. Didn't he?
I always thought equally yoked meant that neither of you skips leg day.
The debt free thing I suspect originates from Dave Ramsey.
When i was conservative the whole debt free thing was a big deal.
Why did Michael even respond to this? 😂
Yeah no, even when I was a Christian I found women with tattoos incredibly sexy.
Celibacy was preferred because Jesus was coming and they should dedicate their lives to preaching, not sex.
Silly, silly men who seem to think they have any choice in selecting the woman who will become their partner. The woman alone will decide whether the man is partner material. Secondly; Why would a Christian man reject a Christian woman, because she has a tattoo on the shoulder of a heart with a Jesus banner across it, or a cross within the heart?
When we focus so much on single parts of what a book says about a relationship, are you still "human" or an npc?
When I was a young man I would have preferred two out of three of those things. I didn't like the look of tattoos and I was shallow. I was also poor and in debt, so I was afraid of adding fuel to that fire. Only one girl I ever slept with was a virgin when we met... and only one woman I have ever been with cheated... so lol ironically I had bias toward avoiding "inexperienced women". Tastes change.My wife has tats and had debt. 18yrs later still glad they did.