I run asphalt modifieds in Florida. We run a class called A-Mod. It’s a 602 modified but with 400+ tread wear DOT tires. Creates some of the best short track racing out there, because we have way more car than the tires want to handle. I think you need a treaded tire that is HARD as a rock. We don’t need falloff, you need less grip. That’s what makes the sliding and the penalizing of mistakes. [Edit: The main issue is the lack of sidewall and how the drivers have less feel with the big wheels now. What other oval or short track car has low-profile tires? Makes no sense that Cup cars have them. So stupid. I'd go back to taller tires if possible, but I know they don't want to change wheels for some reason. So if we can't do that, then if you want it to feel like a short track car, then it needs to be a thick and soft rubber. That's contradictory to my OP but either way could be something to try. Soft as hell (makes it easier to drive, but allows them to dig in the corners behind another car), or hard a rock (will be frustrating to the drivers because it lacks feel, but will dramatically slow down corner speed and make entry and exit passing opportunities when guys make mistakes).]
Whats the sidewall height .... what killed me was the move to a bigger wheel ....."only an inch" ..... but its just an inch ...look at this way the "SNAPPINESS" of this car and it starts at the contact patch is way the hell to rigid .... more sidewall flex means more to the drivers ass and steering wheel ..... hate to say it but the drivers of this hunk of junk on these size and style tracks are as much a passenger as they are a driver .... when taking into account the formula of driver action VS reaction
This is absolutely the right answer. Make these cars a handful to drive due to the power. They are all identical now and too easy to drive so everyone is running a hundredth of a second apart. It’s like putting all the MotoGP guys on CRF100’s and telling them to go race. It’s going to be crap on most tracks.
@@michaelxr2460 they keep trying to make it work with new aero packages but power is great equalizer. I mean we can talk about the new inefficiencies in the system. Nascar used to be able to fix problems at the snap of a finger because they just let the teams handle business sometimes. Plus the tire is just ridiculous. The fall off isn’t enough and should we mention the spike in tires falling off cars? Plus no innerliners so you just get cars beached when they have a flat. You know that tire is ridiculous when after every race the winner does a burnout on the whole front stretch. And in North Wilksburough’s case the whole track. I wasn’t going to mention the number placement is still ugly as sin bit since I already wrote every thing else.
One of the biggest mistakes in this next gen car was the going to 18 inch wheels with low profile tires. Drop it back down to a 16 at least and give the tire some sidewall. Then we can discuss the harder compounds.
It's so easy and they continue to screw it up. Make the cars hard to drive. Put it in the driver's hands. 1000 HP and 9500 rpms. That racing was awesome.
In the 90's and early 2000's many fans, about 110, 000 of them spent little time sitting because if you did, you were going to miss something. Richmond used to be called "The Action Track" because there was action almost the entire 400 laps. Instead of 2 wide most of the race, now it's just cars running single file in circles to survive to the end. There was a time when you couldn't get a ticket for Richmond, now they can't sell 30,000 seats.
There seemed to be plenty of passing to me seeing as Buescher came from 26th .You could see some cars were better on long runs as they would start moving forward 40 - 50 laps into a run .With the different pit strategies it was interesting to watch.
There definitely was plenty of passing, I think people subconsciously didn't like the racing because it was a long green flag run. I loved the race, I think it was one of the best races this season. It was an old style race
@@patricktuggles4815why would people hate long green flag racing which makes for pit strategies and proper passing? I hate every stage restart that bunches up the field, remove stage yellows.
Passing??? Strategy through the pits created the gained positions. Richmond has always been a little bit boring but it’s been awful lately! I love Richmond martinsville and Bristol. This car has ruined those tracks, car was made for roadcourses. If we keep this up nascar is gonna have more roadcourses than anything. Y’all thought the mile and a half days were bad wait till it’s all roadcourses!!!
@@tonyhuff5872 yeah I thought there was plenty of passing, I mean certain cars kept peaking and would drive thru the field. And I agree, they tested a new splitter Monday which didn't work out how they expected. Then yesterday they got the teams to take the diffuser off and ran a 4 inch splitter & some new tire compounds. Drivers said it was a move forward. After the race Indy the following Monday they're gonna try that at the Indy oval but in that same statement they said the package will only be ran at short tracks. So to me it sounds like they're testing at the oval for a return next year sounds like but I could be wrong
NASCAR owns Iowa speedway. It’s sitting doing nothing now that the Indy weekend is over. Test different car packages, track packages with resins etc. Get this short track package dialed in.
I don’t see a problem with Richmond. You can’t pass? Then how did the winner drive from P26 to P1 with only the stage cautions? If you want a beating and banging wreckfest just say so. I thought the racing was great, just like New Hampshire to be honest. Multi-groove and very raceable to me. Why have tracks with three, four, five lanes if everyone’s just gonna run right along the bottom the whole time?
they need to open the taps on these engines and let them ponies BREATHE. A smaller tire with smaller brake package will work too since they would have to lift sooner. be more dive bombs for passing
Just give the teams the choice of tires they want to run ....it doesn't have to be good year ...that in it's self would change things drastically...but nascar will never dump Goodyear ...the thing is they are all the same cars same tires and the teams begged for this ...racing won't get better until the teams have full control of what they can do with their cars
Do that then you end up with Dodge hemi and aero wars. Or like how F1 is one car dominating the season. What they need to do is throw out the soft slicks and put hard road tires on.
The pie slice is actually a great idea, because all grooves get a boost but only a tiny bit low, mid in middle, bigger amount top but only center of the corner, still make them drive off, we all like sideways cars on exit.
Please don't change it. Preece passed the whole field probably twice, and plenty of cars passed plenty of other cars. Why add any chemicals? There's a solid two grooves there. Plus, I'm sick of all the cautions in most races. Don't try to enhance that, you'll only make it worse.
I think that's why most people are complaining because of no cautions. That race was amazing there was PLENTY OF PASSING, so I don't see what they're saying about no passing I'm confused lol.
What did everyone think was going to happen when everyone is essentially running the same equipment. You tighten the cars up to where there all equal so there for you essentially tighten the field up. When only 3 tenths separate the entire field up it’s hard to pass.
thats why spec racing SUCKS and anyone claiming that RIchmond is a bad race because of the track and not the car is just a shill for NASCAR at this point. these cars you don't even have to lift because they only running what 500 some HP and the brakes are so good that takes away the dive bomb move. and the tires are wider and have more of a contact patch than the old 15 inchers on steelies. it is absolutely the car......
@@americanbadass88the wide tire has less grip then the old tires did because they float easier that's why drivers spin for no reason and any input to steering causes them to spin out . Indy cars are much lighter then a cup car therefore a different tire is used .
Add 150 HP, go back to a 4 speed with wider gear ratios (making shifting useless during the race) and last if you insist on playing with the " track grip" consider strips of resin with bare strips in between.
i deal with a lot of asphalt and concrete and can say that micro-millinwould make it smoother and result in the rubber strips like bristol gets. I’d micro mill the middle groove only and leave the top and bottom alone which eliminates the middle groove as time goes on. it would make for very interesting corner entry and exit….. and it would help any new package
The problem with these cars isn't that there's something "bad" about them as much as they're all the same. In days past, cars ran with different handling characteristics that made them faster at certain points and slower at others, they got different mileage, they used tires differently. This created spacing and opportunities to pass. Now they're all the same; the top 20 qualifiers at Richmond were a few hundredths of a second apart. You can't pass if all the cars all run exactly the same way at exactly the same time. They all get the same mileage, they wear tires the same they handle the same, they go the same speed.
Nah Just skinny up the tires and make ‘em taller so the driver and his or her skill is the variable. All this focus on the car is stupid. Make them have to drive.
@@fishhuntadventure that's basically the increased HP argument, they'll need to decide how hard to push and when or they'll burn the tires off. I think we agree with each other, skinny tires would be a solution to the problem, the problem is the cars are all identical so it takes the driver out of it, they all run the same line and same strategy because there's only one way around. Even less grippy tires would probably have a similar problem in that there would still be only one preferred line. It would be a lot more fun to watch, though, :)
How about trying last gens tire compounds and size on the current car. Maybe those Indy car style tires are part of the problem. Make the drivers work for the speed.
Most ignorant thing I’ve ever heard. Don’t give them more traction give them less. Give hard road tires, make them actually drive the cars not run in as fast as possible and it sticks no matter what.
NASCAR should partner with someone like iRacing that already has the surface modeling technology to research millions of different grip profiles for any given racetrack. After the ideal grip profile(s) for a racetrack is determined in the digital world, then determine how to achieve that grip profile in the real world.
A reseal wont help any ? I mean , the bottom groove wll be first choice but if your faster you move em' , until the top starts taking rubber because this car can race side by side
Unpopular opinion here but Richmond is the best short track we have and the package is actually good there. Martinsville and Bristol are the real problem here
I think it could be fixed with tires. If Goodyear can't figure it out, better start talking to Hoosier or General or somebody. A little competition and Goodyear would solve the problem!
Why not just seal the entire racing surface again? The racing at Richmond has never been the same since they stopped. As the sealer would wear the groove would expand
Get rid of all the aero BS on the short tracks. The top speed is like 120 on the backstretch at Richmond. Aero is NOT an issue. go back to the 15 inch tires and a smaller brake package and open the taps on the engines and go back to 800+HP.
In my opinion, trying to come up with packages for race cars is a fleeting effort. Teams across all disciplines of motorsports are not going to throw away all the knowledge they have gained over the years and when new rules come out, they are prepared to find speed within whatever box NASCAR or any other sanctioning body puts them in. I agree though, I watch to be entertained, I like to see comers and goers, ebb and flow within the race but let's face it, spec Next Gen Car or not, the cream will always rise to the top.
Richmond to me was best when the bottom of the corner was the preferred line back the early 2000s. Old school, hard nosed short track racing. It’s not the car. Richmond turned into what we sat through on Sunday years ago.
It was a tough race to watch, I honestly miss the Saturday night Richmond races, it seemed like the racing was better under the lights. NASCAR needs to bump the horsepower up on the cup cars OR run a narrower tire to reduce the traction at the short tracks. It seems these next Gen cars were designed to higher speed tracks, with the short tracks being an after thought. I think the resin could help, but like discussed you can’t use it in the whole corner. Long term solution NASCAR needs to lessen the traction either through tire changes or through over powering the tires with horsepower.
Nascar should use the Gen 6 cars for the short tracks and tracks like Phoenix. Until they can get the Gen 7 car set up right. Nascar did something like that back in 2007 with the Gen 5 and the COT.
@@chrisodie2467are you not listening?? Unless they change the car or do something to the track we WILL lose short tracks so “race the track” is as helpful as dennys response. Race the track applys to Darlington being able to only run on the top and chew up tires not on evrrry single short track right now. Golly I bet you are one of those goofys that also says they never watch nascar but they know every thing going on with while also having no idea what’s going on. “Race the track” stupid response. I hope they can actually figure something out because I’m not willing to lose short tracks.
I honestly thought the race garbage I literally fell asleep and woke up with about 20 to go more horsepower plus how to Cliff Daniels decide not to bring the set up that was the winning set up in the spring literally he told the Pit Road reporters we decided to use a different setup am I missing something
No resin ,no sealer. Fix the cars and make the drivers drive. Top tear of American motorsports and we asking for something on the track. Each team make your car run better is the answer.
I thought the Richmond race was good. Few cautions, pit cycles with strategy. It could have used a bit more passing., but thats just because the cars are too aero dependent. Ray Evernhamn spoke on that years ago. Get the cars to rely on more mechanical grip and less aero and you've fixed passing.
Driver over think too often. When Richmond had it's best racing is when the sealed the track every 3 or 4 years back in the early 2000's. The drivers were forced to "chase" the sealer, Sure the first race was follow the leader on the bottom but the next race had another 1/2 grove, the next race it was two groves. This is when they had the Trucks, xfinity and the cup all in the same weekend. Anyone else remember Rusty and Dale Sr. running side by side for 50 laps? Richmond became a "boring race" when they stopped sealing it. Seal (Not Resin) the whole track and let the cards fall where they may. Richmond can't get any worse than what it currently is.
Richmond has become almost unbearable to watch! They need to do something soon. I took my wife to her first race ever, of any kind, (truck Richmond 2022)- terrible race and now she’s not interested in seeing another!
Denny doesn't want resin up high so he can continue to push cars up the track and into the wall breaking these weak cars. If they have grip they can drive through his door slam and pass him.
"Short-term fix" except they started using the resin around 2016 through 2019 with the old car… It’s all about NASCAR trying to manipulate the racing product.
All these ideas to fix Richmond as well as other tracks when the common denominator is a car that makes it hard to pass. Some drivers/ teams have figured out how to pass with this cars, the others just complain
There shouldn’t be anything applied to the track!, it should be left to the drivers! Make the best driver the winner! I doubt that your dad raced on sealed tracks!
the problem is short tracks quit adding short tracks to the schedule till its fixed i would rather see a mile and half race now days then a short track a few yrs ago i would of love to go to short tracks not now with this car
Denny's "oh god" response to another NASCAR drivers idea is the perfect example of who he is, but I guarantee you he doesn't talk to his boyfriend Michael Jordan like that
More HP is the answer and go from 18s to 15s with more side wall then talk compounds if you listen to Larson, Bell, Ky Busch they all have wished for more HP
Could we take a page from the old NASCAR book? Give the crew chiefs their spoiler back. Use the spoiler for down force. Not for slowing the car down Maybe take the air damage away for this race as well.
They tried this yesterday, they were encouraged. They removed the diffuser and put a 4 inch spoiler on, after Indy Sunday they're going to test the new 4 inch spoiler without the diffuser on the oval😊
Dunno if it's possible but I'm thinking.....have iracing do testing on different applications of resin/grip till the racing lines are close on time, hope you understand my thought...🤣🤣
Even with the tire fall off, the cars still looked planted to the track. Bump up the horsepower and skinny up the tires.
Or throw out the soft slick tires and put some Goodyear road tires on.
Cars and tires not right short track grip
Wider tires means more slippage the narrower the tire the more grip you get .
@@darwinfoster7420you have lost your mind
More horse power
I run asphalt modifieds in Florida. We run a class called A-Mod. It’s a 602 modified but with 400+ tread wear DOT tires. Creates some of the best short track racing out there, because we have way more car than the tires want to handle.
I think you need a treaded tire that is HARD as a rock. We don’t need falloff, you need less grip. That’s what makes the sliding and the penalizing of mistakes.
[Edit: The main issue is the lack of sidewall and how the drivers have less feel with the big wheels now. What other oval or short track car has low-profile tires? Makes no sense that Cup cars have them. So stupid. I'd go back to taller tires if possible, but I know they don't want to change wheels for some reason. So if we can't do that, then if you want it to feel like a short track car, then it needs to be a thick and soft rubber.
That's contradictory to my OP but either way could be something to try. Soft as hell (makes it easier to drive, but allows them to dig in the corners behind another car), or hard a rock (will be frustrating to the drivers because it lacks feel, but will dramatically slow down corner speed and make entry and exit passing opportunities when guys make mistakes).]
Ya Maybe run the Rain tires on short tracks for now, Or make a set of rain tires with a harder rubber since the molds are already made.
Unit Tread All Terrain.same pattern for mile-and-a-half unless road courses shark tracks dirt and rain groveable.
They want to save money although they go through 14 sets of good years at the 600 in Charlotte how much money is that times this season?
Nailed it!
Whats the sidewall height .... what killed me was the move to a bigger wheel ....."only an inch" ..... but its just an inch ...look at this way the "SNAPPINESS" of this car and it starts at the contact patch is way the hell to rigid .... more sidewall flex means more to the drivers ass and steering wheel ..... hate to say it but the drivers of this hunk of junk on these size and style tracks are as much a passenger as they are a driver .... when taking into account the formula of driver action VS reaction
Who here remembers what Richmond looked like back when guardrails were used instead of concrete walls?
I do I remember when it was dirt
Let’s soften the tire and put 900hp in them and let em loose.
This is absolutely the right answer. Make these cars a handful to drive due to the power. They are all identical now and too easy to drive so everyone is running a hundredth of a second apart. It’s like putting all the MotoGP guys on CRF100’s and telling them to go race. It’s going to be crap on most tracks.
@@michaelxr2460 they keep trying to make it work with new aero packages but power is great equalizer. I mean we can talk about the new inefficiencies in the system. Nascar used to be able to fix problems at the snap of a finger because they just let the teams handle business sometimes.
Plus the tire is just ridiculous. The fall off isn’t enough and should we mention the spike in tires falling off cars? Plus no innerliners so you just get cars beached when they have a flat.
You know that tire is ridiculous when after every race the winner does a burnout on the whole front stretch. And in North Wilksburough’s case the whole track.
I wasn’t going to mention the number placement is still ugly as sin bit since I already wrote every thing else.
One of the biggest mistakes in this next gen car was the going to 18 inch wheels with low profile tires. Drop it back down to a 16 at least and give the tire some sidewall. Then we can discuss the harder compounds.
.................then they lose the space for the big brakes.........
Give em 1000 hp and let em go. Make the cars monsters again.
It's so easy and they continue to screw it up. Make the cars hard to drive. Put it in the driver's hands. 1000 HP and 9500 rpms. That racing was awesome.
I loved the Richmond race that's all I'll say as a recently new nascar fan
In the 90's and early 2000's many fans, about 110, 000 of them spent little time sitting because if you did, you were going to miss something. Richmond used to be called "The Action Track" because there was action almost the entire 400 laps. Instead of 2 wide most of the race, now it's just cars running single file in circles to survive to the end. There was a time when you couldn't get a ticket for Richmond, now they can't sell 30,000 seats.
There seemed to be plenty of passing to me seeing as Buescher came from 26th .You could see some cars were better on long runs as they would start moving forward 40 - 50 laps into a run .With the different pit strategies it was interesting to watch.
Plenty of passing? Maybe during pit stops, very little on track.
There definitely was plenty of passing, I think people subconsciously didn't like the racing because it was a long green flag run. I loved the race, I think it was one of the best races this season. It was an old style race
@@patricktuggles4815why would people hate long green flag racing which makes for pit strategies and proper passing? I hate every stage restart that bunches up the field, remove stage yellows.
Passing??? Strategy through the pits created the gained positions. Richmond has always been a little bit boring but it’s been awful lately! I love Richmond martinsville and Bristol. This car has ruined those tracks, car was made for roadcourses. If we keep this up nascar is gonna have more roadcourses than anything. Y’all thought the mile and a half days were bad wait till it’s all roadcourses!!!
@@tonyhuff5872 yeah I thought there was plenty of passing, I mean certain cars kept peaking and would drive thru the field. And I agree, they tested a new splitter Monday which didn't work out how they expected. Then yesterday they got the teams to take the diffuser off and ran a 4 inch splitter & some new tire compounds. Drivers said it was a move forward. After the race Indy the following Monday they're gonna try that at the Indy oval but in that same statement they said the package will only be ran at short tracks. So to me it sounds like they're testing at the oval for a return next year sounds like but I could be wrong
I like Jr's idea. Denny does have a point. We need input from current top drivers.
Never put PJ1 or resin on a track….. unless you plan on paving soon
NASCAR owns Iowa speedway. It’s sitting doing nothing now that the Indy weekend is over. Test different car packages, track packages with resins etc. Get this short track package dialed in.
I don’t see a problem with Richmond. You can’t pass? Then how did the winner drive from P26 to P1 with only the stage cautions? If you want a beating and banging wreckfest just say so.
I thought the racing was great, just like New Hampshire to be honest. Multi-groove and very raceable to me. Why have tracks with three, four, five lanes if everyone’s just gonna run right along the bottom the whole time?
I agree, Richmond is good racing, I think the scheduled stage breaks and racing during the day are the two things hurting it
@@Flatworldertruth
The racing at Richmond is fine man every race isn’t going to be great side by side action for 3 hours, I will say that Richmond does NOT need 2 races
The truck race was great. Same scenario as Wilkesboro. Truck races were great, cup races were terrible. It’s not the tracks or asphalt, it’s the cars.
they need to open the taps on these engines and let them ponies BREATHE. A smaller tire with smaller brake package will work too since they would have to lift sooner. be more dive bombs for passing
Just give the teams the choice of tires they want to run ....it doesn't have to be good year ...that in it's self would change things drastically...but nascar will never dump Goodyear ...the thing is they are all the same cars same tires and the teams begged for this ...racing won't get better until the teams have full control of what they can do with their cars
Do that then you end up with Dodge hemi and aero wars. Or like how F1 is one car dominating the season. What they need to do is throw out the soft slicks and put hard road tires on.
The "tire wars" of the 90's sold a lot of tickets.
The pie slice is actually a great idea, because all grooves get a boost but only a tiny bit low, mid in middle, bigger amount top but only center of the corner, still make them drive off, we all like sideways cars on exit.
Doug Yates said horsepower can be increased from 670 to 750 pretty easily and without compromising engine life. This is the way.
The Garage 56 car proved that these engines can run 24 hours straight while making 750hp.
Please don't change it. Preece passed the whole field probably twice, and plenty of cars passed plenty of other cars. Why add any chemicals? There's a solid two grooves there. Plus, I'm sick of all the cautions in most races. Don't try to enhance that, you'll only make it worse.
I think that's why most people are complaining because of no cautions. That race was amazing there was PLENTY OF PASSING, so I don't see what they're saying about no passing I'm confused lol.
Just a question do you think getting ride of the independent rear suspension would work
Hell why don't we just bring 4 wheel steering to Nascar? Wonder how they would drive then?
What did everyone think was going to happen when everyone is essentially running the same equipment. You tighten the cars up to where there all equal so there for you essentially tighten the field up. When only 3 tenths separate the entire field up it’s hard to pass.
thats why spec racing SUCKS and anyone claiming that RIchmond is a bad race because of the track and not the car is just a shill for NASCAR at this point. these cars you don't even have to lift because they only running what 500 some HP and the brakes are so good that takes away the dive bomb move. and the tires are wider and have more of a contact patch than the old 15 inchers on steelies. it is absolutely the car......
@@americanbadass88the wide tire has less grip then the old tires did because they float easier that's why drivers spin for no reason and any input to steering causes them to spin out . Indy cars are much lighter then a cup car therefore a different tire is used .
I remember when IROC ran Richmond, Just as boring as the cup cars are now.
Add 150 HP, go back to a 4 speed with wider gear ratios (making shifting useless during the race) and last if you insist on playing with the " track grip" consider strips of resin with bare strips in between.
I was thinking the same about applying the resin in strips. They would still have to search for a grove that worked for them.
Don't mess with the track. The challenge of Richmond is the track design. Deal with it. ;-)
i deal with a lot of asphalt and concrete and can say that micro-millinwould make it smoother and result in the rubber strips like bristol gets. I’d micro mill the middle groove only and leave the top and bottom alone which eliminates the middle groove as time goes on. it would make for very interesting corner entry and exit….. and it would help any new package
The problem with these cars isn't that there's something "bad" about them as much as they're all the same. In days past, cars ran with different handling characteristics that made them faster at certain points and slower at others, they got different mileage, they used tires differently. This created spacing and opportunities to pass. Now they're all the same; the top 20 qualifiers at Richmond were a few hundredths of a second apart. You can't pass if all the cars all run exactly the same way at exactly the same time. They all get the same mileage, they wear tires the same they handle the same, they go the same speed.
Nah
Just skinny up the tires and make ‘em taller so the driver and his or her skill is the variable.
All this focus on the car is stupid. Make them have to drive.
@@fishhuntadventure that's basically the increased HP argument, they'll need to decide how hard to push and when or they'll burn the tires off. I think we agree with each other, skinny tires would be a solution to the problem, the problem is the cars are all identical so it takes the driver out of it, they all run the same line and same strategy because there's only one way around. Even less grippy tires would probably have a similar problem in that there would still be only one preferred line. It would be a lot more fun to watch, though, :)
I thought that was a good race tire deg is something these guys never really deal w so it actually made you more strategic and drive consciously
How about trying last gens tire compounds and size on the current car. Maybe those Indy car style tires are part of the problem. Make the drivers work for the speed.
I agree with Hamlin's answer when racing at Richmond.
Easy Peasy fix, ZERO down force and twice as much horsepower and bad tires
Yaw needs to be put back in the cars by creating more sidewall. And a tread pattern equals less rubber on the track like back in the 60$
Progressive resining is what I believe Jr is saying IMO 🤷♂️
Most ignorant thing I’ve ever heard. Don’t give them more traction give them less. Give hard road tires, make them actually drive the cars not run in as fast as possible and it sticks no matter what.
NASCAR should partner with someone like iRacing that already has the surface modeling technology to research millions of different grip profiles for any given racetrack. After the ideal grip profile(s) for a racetrack is determined in the digital world, then determine how to achieve that grip profile in the real world.
Nascar is VERY partnered with iRacing for their research.
I'm old school.
You resin my track, Imma resin your wife.
That said, even if you don't resin the track, imma at least resin your mom.
the trick would be to spray 3 or 4 tire wide strips in the turns and not just spray middle groove. they could make the yellow paint grippy and wider.
A reseal wont help any ? I mean , the bottom groove wll be first choice but if your faster you move em' , until the top starts taking rubber because this car can race side by side
The Cars Tour seems to have the problem figured out. And North Wilesboro doesn't need repaved.
Unpopular opinion here but Richmond is the best short track we have and the package is actually good there. Martinsville and Bristol are the real problem here
Maybe you should explain to your listeners what impact resin has on the cars and the track?
He did😂 did you listen
Dirty Denny said that because Dale Jr called him out last week.
I think it could be fixed with tires. If Goodyear can't figure it out, better start talking to Hoosier or General or somebody. A little competition and Goodyear would solve the problem!
All it would take is a successful tire test on a mock car to have Goodyear shaking.
I watched the "Medium-Plus" clip first so I absolutely lost it at "Resin-plus"
Repave the corners would do a lot imo.
Here's a tip, they aren't "fixing" the car or the tire, ever. They are going to have to go backwards to go forward.
Be careful Jr if you want to keep your job in 23xl media you better be nice to all the 23xl personalities on the network
Sounds like a good idea for the clash
Why not just seal the entire racing surface again? The racing at Richmond has never been the same since they stopped. As the sealer would wear the groove would expand
Get rid of all the aero BS on the short tracks. The top speed is like 120 on the backstretch at Richmond. Aero is NOT an issue. go back to the 15 inch tires and a smaller brake package and open the taps on the engines and go back to 800+HP.
In my opinion, trying to come up with packages for race cars is a fleeting effort. Teams across all disciplines of motorsports are not going to throw away all the knowledge they have gained over the years and when new rules come out, they are prepared to find speed within whatever box NASCAR or any other sanctioning body puts them in. I agree though, I watch to be entertained, I like to see comers and goers, ebb and flow within the race but let's face it, spec Next Gen Car or not, the cream will always rise to the top.
Richmond used to be the "action track." Was must-see for yrs. Not anymore. Last Sunday was interesting but it wasn't all that exciting.
i know everyone thinks denny hamlin has L takes but y’all gotta listen to him on this one 😭
Yea. Nascar should listen to the driver's. Dale don't race these cars every week.
Yeah Denny is smrt! 😂
I agree with Denny and I did not think it was a bad race.
Awesome podcast with great ideas about getting the fan base back and fixing the car to race really good on short tracks 💞🤗💞🏁🏆🏁
Get rid of the resin period! Run the track as it is.. that is racing
Richmond to me was best when the bottom of the corner was the preferred line back the early 2000s. Old school, hard nosed short track racing. It’s not the car. Richmond turned into what we sat through on Sunday years ago.
It’s pretty sad when you gotta put resin down on a race track for the cars to run right
Fix the short track package. It’s not a track or resin issue
It was a tough race to watch, I honestly miss the Saturday night Richmond races, it seemed like the racing was better under the lights. NASCAR needs to bump the horsepower up on the cup cars OR run a narrower tire to reduce the traction at the short tracks. It seems these next Gen cars were designed to higher speed tracks, with the short tracks being an after thought. I think the resin could help, but like discussed you can’t use it in the whole corner. Long term solution NASCAR needs to lessen the traction either through tire changes or through over powering the tires with horsepower.
Dale Jr needs to work with Jeffery and help him turn into a great driver. Keep the Earnhardt name alive.
He offered him a ride but Jeffrey turned it down. Listen to the interview with those two, Jeffrey wants to make his career with no help
@@patricktuggles4815 got to respect that
@@bobhope4732 definitely
Nascar should use the Gen 6 cars for the short tracks and tracks like Phoenix. Until they can get the Gen 7 car set up right. Nascar did something like that back in 2007 with the Gen 5 and the COT.
What if you spray the resin every couple of feet and leave gaps of original asphalt so it's not a constant grip?
No PJ1/Resin, please
Exactly..race the dam track as it is
@@chrisodie2467 if it’s good, good. If not, oh well or find a solution
@@chrisodie2467are you not listening?? Unless they change the car or do something to the track we WILL lose short tracks so “race the track” is as helpful as dennys response. Race the track applys to Darlington being able to only run on the top and chew up tires not on evrrry single short track right now. Golly I bet you are one of those goofys that also says they never watch nascar but they know every thing going on with while also having no idea what’s going on. “Race the track” stupid response. I hope they can actually figure something out because I’m not willing to lose short tracks.
4-17 speedway did rubber fence paint on the outside groove and it made the racing great it acted like actual rubber that was laided down
I honestly thought the race garbage I literally fell asleep and woke up with about 20 to go more horsepower plus how to Cliff Daniels decide not to bring the set up that was the winning set up in the spring literally he told the Pit Road reporters we decided to use a different setup am I missing something
How hard would it be to just convert the current car to old wheel and tire package or have they already tried that
what if instead of running a lane of resin, the did diagonal strips in the upper parts of the track? parts with and without resin
I'm old enough to remember when they put a sealer on the Richmond track every year, why they stopped...... I have no idea?
sealer literally runs off like water based paint right into wherever the drainage go, regardless of politics, it’s not good stuff
No resin ,no sealer. Fix the cars and make the drivers drive. Top tear of American motorsports and we asking for something on the track. Each team make your car run better is the answer.
Only nascar can take these short tracks and make them boring
Richmond needs SEALER again
I thought the Richmond race was good. Few cautions, pit cycles with strategy. It could have used a bit more passing., but thats just because the cars are too aero dependent. Ray Evernhamn spoke on that years ago. Get the cars to rely on more mechanical grip and less aero and you've fixed passing.
Never use resin or PJ1 ever again it ruins every track they use it at! How have we not learned this by now?!
Driver over think too often. When Richmond had it's best racing is when the sealed the track every 3 or 4 years back in the early 2000's. The drivers were forced to "chase" the sealer, Sure the first race was follow the leader on the bottom but the next race had another 1/2 grove, the next race it was two groves. This is when they had the Trucks, xfinity and the cup all in the same weekend. Anyone else remember Rusty and Dale Sr. running side by side for 50 laps? Richmond became a "boring race" when they stopped sealing it. Seal (Not Resin) the whole track and let the cards fall where they may. Richmond can't get any worse than what it currently is.
Richmond has become almost unbearable to watch! They need to do something soon. I took my wife to her first race ever, of any kind, (truck Richmond 2022)- terrible race and now she’s not interested in seeing another!
All i know is i absolutely hate hate hate when they run a train the whole race... the v shape in the corner makes most sense to me
Tell Goodyear to bring a tire that'll blister a little
Why not just put the Resin in the Tires ?
Denny doesn't want resin up high so he can continue to push cars up the track and into the wall breaking these weak cars. If they have grip they can drive through his door slam and pass him.
I can fix this. Just order Resin Plus.
"Short-term fix" except they started using the resin around 2016 through 2019 with the old car… It’s all about NASCAR trying to manipulate the racing product.
I think the races there this weekend where pretty good. Did Dale Jr watched the same one as me? Or is still thinking about the one Kyle Larson won?
Spend more time on fixing the car instead of where to put band aid resin
All these ideas to fix Richmond as well as other tracks when the common denominator is a car that makes it hard to pass. Some drivers/ teams have figured out how to pass with this cars, the others just complain
There shouldn’t be anything applied to the track!, it should be left to the drivers! Make the best driver the winner! I doubt that your dad raced on sealed tracks!
Put it just on the dash lines in the turns
I liked the strategy component, and the green flag runs at Richmond.
the problem is short tracks quit adding short tracks to the schedule till its fixed i would rather see a mile and half race now days then a short track a few yrs ago i would of love to go to short tracks not now with this car
just bring back 800hp cars.
Denny's "oh god" response to another NASCAR drivers idea is the perfect example of who he is, but I guarantee you he doesn't talk to his boyfriend Michael Jordan like that
It did kinda highlight his "all knowing, wiseman" arrogance, huh?
More HP is the answer and go from 18s to 15s with more side wall then talk compounds if you listen to Larson, Bell, Ky Busch they all have wished for more HP
Could we take a page from the old NASCAR book?
Give the crew chiefs their spoiler back. Use the spoiler for down force. Not for slowing the car down
Maybe take the air damage away for this race as well.
They tried this yesterday, they were encouraged. They removed the diffuser and put a 4 inch spoiler on, after Indy Sunday they're going to test the new 4 inch spoiler without the diffuser on the oval😊
It’s sad that we have to manufacture racing instead of teams building their cars better.
The current tracks are fine, the tires need to be airless, and awd, and monocock
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Maybe the solution is to just not race at Richmond. I haven’t seen an exciting race there in probably 10 years or more.
Dunno if it's possible but I'm thinking.....have iracing do testing on different applications of resin/grip till the racing lines are close on time, hope you understand my thought...🤣🤣
Then try to replicate on track(had to comment to finish my thought) oops
why not spray the whole track then the grip level is the same no matter where you run like i would think it is with nothing on the asphalt
What was so bad about the race at Richmond other than the car itself ? Take the stupid belly pan off the thing and give them a tire with a sidewall !
Look give them 750 hrp and zero downforce problem solved.
We need less aero and more horsepower, around 750 because the short track package is a joke.
How about redesigning the car and add hp, and im sure someone out there will attack me for saying so
Don't try to fix the track, fix the car!!!!!
Hey Jr. Hope u doin aight