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The Physics Behind The Last Jedi's Coolest Scene! (Because Science w/ Kyle Hill)
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Star Wars has changed pop culture and The Last Jedi may have done it again with an epic space tactic, but how would it work? Kyle has the lightspeed physics on this week's Because Science!
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I REALLY like how this episode turned out, so I hope you enjoy. Thanks for watching. Oh, and the reason I didn't have any footage was that I filmed this the day TLJ came out. Tight turn around! -- KH
Around 7 minutes in, Kyle says that if they truly went into hyperspace, the resistance ship would pass right throught the Supremacy, but I don't think that is true considering that
Han Solo in "A New Hope", says that they need time to make calculations so that they don't hit anything while in hyperspace. I find that to be also the reason there are hyperspace lanes, these are routes already tested that have nothing between destinations.
@Nerdist Lightsabers would not cause the steam explosion and set the ambient air on fire as you referred to. They contain the heat from the plasma in a kind of shielding. So that means only things that enter the sheilding will get burnt and the heat does not extend outside of the sheild.
Isn't it not about hitting stuff while in hyperspace, but about having their trajectory changed by the gravity and potentially exiting hyperspace inside a star or something of the sort instead of the intended destination?
Loved the episode!! You space wizard!!
There is a... well. Crap. Legends are non-canon.
But still. As I recall, SW "FTL" movement work like this - first ship reach a certain speed and then hyperdrive phases it into hyperspace where actual "FTL" travel takes place. In other words, no one nears speed of light in real world before going "hyper".
There are obstacles in hyperspace - a) it isn't homogeneous which explains "Galactic Pathways" existence and b) gravity can affect things in hyperspace, reaching across the "border" (there are even "gravity well generator" traps in the animated series, IIRC).
“It’s an older formula, but it checks out”
I didn’t think I could like this show more.
anmimc I scrolled way to far for anyone who heard this and understood the referencd as well😂👍
good catch ;D
I was just going to quote that you but you made it before me...
its and old meme sir but it checks out
anmimc Now I feel dumb. What’s the reference?
I didn’t realize that Thor had a TH-cam channel
No, its emporer Palpatine. That's force lightning.
You means Thor’s baby brother
Wow you got the whole squad laughing
@@glmzy uh -not really buddy.
Literally my first thought when I saw the thumbnail.😹
Can we just say that the Raddus maneuver is a far better name than the Holdo maneuver?
Speaking of RKKV's, the Sci-Fi author Ian Douglas does something similar. He has humanity up against an alien race so advanced they might as well be using Magic, so their response upon finding a world of theirs is to load up cargo containers with sand, accelerate it to near C, then release the sand. Chews through half a planet, very cool to read.
The fabled, mythical final evolution of your uncle's sandblaster...
what book was that? now I want to read that badly!
Ummm...no....the atmosphere would burn up the grains unless they are clumped together...which defeat the purpose
Better have something like canister shot that spread after it enter the atmosphere.
@Nerys I believe the first book I'm that trilogy is called Star Marine by Ian Douglas
@Eleeth. Sure the first however billion grains do. But each grain is moving at near C and has the equivalent energy of 2 kiloton nuclear bomb (according to the book) so eventually the atmosphere is burned away, then it's just the planet left.
“It’s an older formula but it checks out.” Good anakin good.
Diego Vildosola
That made me laugh a little too much.
I thought he was referencing the Imperial Officer on the computer from Return of the Jedi. "It's an older code, sir, but it checks out."
I love this meme.
That and the smart bois lmao
"it's an older formula but it checks out" 😂 😂 epic reference!!! 4:33
Like the sloth in Zooptopia, "Oh... Now... I ... Get... It... Ha.... Ha... Ha...!"
John Wetzel i know
John Wetzel you can tell by how he said it that he doesn't write the script for the videos and probably has no idea what hes talking about
I thought I was the only one that noticed! Then I found your comment #truestarwarsfans
Thanks Admiral Piett. :)
"Relativistic Porg" still has to be the best B.S. phrase we have to date. I want it on a shirt.
Sounds like a Swedish Thrash Metal Band .
What i liked about that scene is not only did it break one ship apart but also that it formed a cascade effect similar to the wave function of electron slit experiment
that scene made the death star look like an innocent space football
Marwan_Elshemy
*soccer ball.
The Death Star was capable of faster than light travel...
Not so innocent now.
Bin Ou Yang Football is correct, America is one of the few countries that call football soccer.
Football (Soccer) was around before american football.
Football (Soccer): ~1850
American Football: 1892
Katze
Except, neither "football" or "soccer" is actually the correct name of the sport. And, of the two names, Soccer is the more specific.
See, "football" is actually just slang ("soccer" is, too). There is no such sport as "football" much like there is no such song as "Rock and Roll."
"Football" is a TYPE of sport, not a specific sport. Namely it's a sport where players compete to carry an objective (namely a ball), on foot, to a goal area.
The ACTUAL name of the sport in question is called "Association Football." And the reason why simply calling it "football" isn't accurate is because there are other types of football to consider, such as gaelic football.
This is where "soccer" comes in. "Soccer" is actually just an abbreviated form of "As-SOC-iation." And, while it is still slang, like "football," it is more specific in identifying this specific sport of all of the football sports.
That's why, if you aren't going to call it Association Football, then the next proper name would be soccer.
I learn something new every day. This is just a really weird spot for me to learn this fact.
"Relativistic Porg" is my new favorite phrase!
Jess_Marie_G I prefer "invisible catastrophe".
Also sounds like the name for a Swedish Punk band
Tim Chorzempa: As a swede, i approve of that statement.. :)
I need that on a t-shirt!
Jess_Marie_G it's my new instagram name 😂
I think an in depth analysis of relativistic porg and the consequences of such madness deserves its own episode. But I'll settle for a fan animated short of a porg being fired at relativistic speeds.
I now fear Mac cannons from halo because they might not be going.9999c but its a fraction of speed of light and that's 600 tonnes of tungsten flying right at you at super speeds
Potentially can destroy a moon
MAC ROUNDS? IN ATMOSPHERE?
That's one way to get their attention
If I remember the books correctly, the orbital Mac reaches 90% of light speed. Ship MACs reach 40%.
What’s even more impressive is that most covenant shields can withstand a single Mac shot, some can withstand two, and a few can withstand 3.
@@bogustoast22none25 I’ve only ever seen 30 km/s for standard ship MACs and 4% of c for orbital cannons
@@patrickspeegle9558 I could have sworn Fall of reach said 90%
So wait, that would mean, if Han made a mistake in EP7 and instead of landing on SK base, he crashes into it...... VICTORY without a single battle taking place lol.
Lordonrav1 seeing as the melevalance in the clone wars did the same and the moon wasn‘t even bothered by it, some things don‘t add up
But what about the mass of the ship? Since Millennium Falcon is not that big i think it wont create such big impact?
The ship didn't have enough fuel to power a complete jump so it ended up being a RKKV. The same thing happen to any ship that jump with shitty/damaged hyperdrive in almost every Sci-Fi media, you just end up being a beam of particle. What Holdo did was aiming that beam at something after turning off the safety protocol that prevent a ship to jump with low fuel and half assed calculations. The ship do jump! But most of the energy go into hyperspace but don't reach destination while some of the energy stay in normal space and damage whatever is in front of it.
Yeah true, but in this video he's talking about what would probably happen in real life, so I guess the rules are different in the star wars universe (shock horror, it's sci-fi). Seeing as in the film the entire ship wasn't obliterated, I doubt it would do much to SKB or anything that big.
I think once you've entered hyperspace, which happens virtually instantly, you're essentially in another dimension and cannot interact with objects in normal space. Dropping out of hyperspace happens instantly, too, so it wouldn't qualify the MF as one of those RKKVs because even if the crash occurred a split second after dropping out of hyperspace, they'd still be going at a speed too slow to achieve the near-light speed carnage.
The reason it worked the way it did in the movie was because the ship didn't have enough fuel to make a proper jump into hyperspace. It was able to accelerate to just below the speed of light, which is what created all the kinetic potential, but it couldn't cross the threshold. So, upon impact, it was still in normal space.
I took 15 episodes of this to realize that there is a sheet of glass close to him
...ohh... ohhhhhh....
OR DO I -- KH
Nerdist is it hard to write backwards?
Malkinn he writes normally, then they mirror the footage, you can see the letters on his markers are reversed at 3:11
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THAT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE
I'd guess the reason the Supremacy didn't blink out of existance is that the other ship wasn't going anywhere near the speed you estimated at the moment it hit but was maybe accelerating to that speed. That or something about the process of going to hyperspace protected it somehow.
"It's an older code my lord but it checks out."
I still love how the entire movie goes mute at impact. Made the whole thing even better.
Also with the white light to make every bit of damage look holy and exaggerating every crack in every ship
So cool
it being silent is just perfect to make you feel the epicness
Here in Brazil in some rooms was fixed a paper in the entrance advising that was not a malfunction of the projection... Lol
If we didn't have Kyle hill to explain things I would die trying to figure these things
If you have college level physics knowledge, You should be able to dig all those out within an hour...
Sosuke Aizen he also forgot about interdiction cruisers. No hyperdrive in cannon or legends to my knowledge has removed the gravity well safety device built into them, Cept maybe the falcon based on episode 7. They wouldn’t even reach the destination or target if you simply pull it from light speed.
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Wow. Not much point in building a big, expensive Death Star if ramming ships into planets at hyperspeed kammikaze-style does the same trick, is there?
pretty much. just build a hyperdrive that can be piloted by a droid and boom any big thing is easily dispatched
The death star is to big
Well, the supremacy is 60 km wide which, while enormous, is nothing compared to the death star's 140-160 km radius. The second death star is much bigger than the first at 200 km radius. The Raddus (Holdo's ship) is a mere 3.8 km long.
Looking at the scene we can see that the Raddus is comparatively at point blank range to the first order fleet. This makes it possible that the raddus hit the fleet BEFORE going into hyper space.
But what about the damage? Why cant we just kamikaze droid piloted ships into massive death weapons? Well, after looking at the footage, it is shown that the raddus only did a thin cut through the supremacy. Sure it is rendered useless, but Finn is still able to have a 2 minute fight with captain phasma without suffocating. In fact, the other side of the ship looks almost untouched.
The raddus is actually one of the largest ships owned by the rebellion. So why not bigger? If the Raddus can only do a thin streak if damage to a 60 km ship, why not just make a fleet of gigantic, droid powered ships and just ram them into a death star? Well, it would be extremely expensive to do so. Not only that, but it would not do very much damage. In all 3 reincarnations of the 'giant space station with lazers' thing, the place that destroys it is right in the centre. All the ships would be destroyed even before they reach it.
There. That's my Penny's worth on the topic. I dont think I've 'debunked' your argument. But this is just what I think, so it is not canon.
@@thecrokodial2224
To add to your point,
Also, the Death Stars have their own gravity wells, so ships that are in hyperspace would be pulled out of it. You can't escape from the Death Star by using hyperspace and you can't do Holdo's Hyperspace Ramming attack because it'll be pulled out of it's hyperspace when it reaches the Death Star's gravity well's orbit.
one two WOOMY except the raddus is expensive if you add living quarters, life support, all the good cruiser stuff but if it’s jut a chunk of scrap metal fused together with a droid and a hyperdrive how would it be expensive I mean in the clone wars show there is literally a entire planet that is a junk year (where savage found maul)
Plot armor. The best way to make science not work.
Multiple layers of plot armour. Rey, Kylo, Finn & Rose were all aboard at the time.
DejaVoodooDoll. I say that the noises we hear the ships make in space are non diegetic. Like the theme music we hear but we know they dont, the WOOSH of ships in space is there for the viewers sake.
Alli Merell *Armour, Its our fu***ng language so get it right!
And to add onto the fact that space battles wouldn't look like they do in any of the movies
I don't think it's sci-fi armor OR plot armor. I don't think it's armor at all. I think it has to do with the fact that in the Star Wars universe, hyperspace doesn't behave like normal space. Objects in normal space produce "mass-shadows" in hyperspace, but I get the feeling that physical interaction is significantly lessened between an object in normal space and an object in hyperspace. So even though the Raddis is moving at hyperluminal velocity, its "apparent mass" is less than normal.
"It's an older formula sir but it checks out"
Stuff And Things danm it I was hoping I was going to be the first one to say that, good job
Stuff And Things that was kindda the joke 😂👌🏽
Sup
If teacher were to explain topics in this Manor more kids would enjoy school
Manner*
@@PrashantKumar-ss5gs he was talking about the house
Which house it be ?
@@landon5583right!
"Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of that shitty old Tie Fighter Mike + Rich installed a hyperdrive in before they went for their lunch. They're sticking one in that mouse droid this afternoon."
The guys of rogue one died for nothing, they just needed an x wing and a droid to destroy the dead star
Abraham Hernandez López wrong,that the reason why the Holdo maneuver is a thing is because it wasn’t the ship that did the damage but rather it’s really good shields which protected it
Nope. Kinitic force alone would rip it to part. Shield not needed.
Savage Takis
That’s a dumb explanation
This. This so much. You can't weaponize hyperspace or you completely ruin the cannon. It makes the deathstar itself obsolete.
All of the ship/fleet and rebel command related parts of the last jedi don't make any sense.
Weaponizing hyperspace doesn't ruin the canon. If any of you read the extended universe, you'd know that this maneuver already existed. And it was the shield breaking apart that caused the big explosion, the Raddus stopped once it hit the Supremacy.
Can the Flash run through a lightsaber? We could use that explanation.
A movie one ?
No problem.
Real one (like lightsaber featured briefly in this video) ?
He would be "cut" (and then burned to death).
No he cant
Depends on which type it was. If it was the safe one you could actually hold, it'd only have a couple particles in its beam so likely he could. The one that would pretty much catch the world on fire just by turning it on, probably not.
“It’s an older formula, but it checks out”
I like the subtle ROTJ reference
I remember when the film went silent as the Supremacy was hit. The entire theater was quiet for a few seconds, before we could hear a handful of people reacting with "Whoa..." And _"Holy sh-t..."_
I think we all held our breaths, if even for a second.
And after that the realization hit that this, although done most beautifully, was the stupidest shit anyone ever came up with (in a lore sense, not from a physics perspective)
@@janneslange8306 Why? My guess would be because it raises the question of why it hadn't been done before, but if so, that is a flaw with the original trilogy, not The Last Jedi. Why would the Empire construct a Death Star if it's far easier just to send a ship at high speed to a planet? I'm curious what your thoughts are.
@@janneslange8306Cause more importantly Physics wise, it was the best thing anyone ever did. Not The directors problem that no one was smart enough to think this out earlier.
@@CJA-jf8db The worst part is there *is* a reason this isn't normally done. Gravity wells stop hyperspace. It's why you used to get interdictor cruisers although there's no sign of those anywhere in the new films. They were literally hyperspace jamming ships to stop people running away. The Death star and planets would naturally stop weapons like those.
@@masterofthelag8414 By "gravity wells", are you referring to the spacetime curvature around objects in general relativity? I don't see how that could stop hyperspace. Maybe you mean something else.
My Favorite part was when Jar Jar turned out to be snoke and then he moved to Alderan
Would be a better writing than the sequels one...
Michel Meyer true, but I preferred the version where Jarjar was actually Luke and Rey and Kylo all along
@@uselesscasul3164 or the Robot Chicken Version whereVader kills jar jar and he comes back as force ghost to annoy lil Anny forever xD
Huh???
Same and then palpatine made a rap song
This was on of my favorite shots in the movie. Btw, I loved the lightsaber video callback.
Haha I'm glad someone noticed -- KH
Logan West your favorite shot is the dumbest part of the movie?
Praying Hero yes, because aesthetically it was well done
It was so striking, visually. And having it in total silence intensified the visual. Plus the silence is scientifically accurate.
Logan West scientifically accurate? Hyperspace is a sci fi concept that worked differently until disney made this shit movie. Hyperspace is supposed to be a parallel dimension in which gravity pulls you out but you wont go through that object at light speed. The space battles in star wars would be pretty boring if any cheap droid starfighter can just hyperdrive through any structure the enemy has. Why do i even need to explain this? Have you not thought about why they havent used hyperdrive that way before and what is stopping them from doing it in every future battle? That shot is the opposite of impressive because not only did Rian Johnson not think it through, he doesnt give a damn.
Inform Starfleet Command,
We have engaged - - - the Porg
Also, can you cross a Porg with a Tribble?
@@metanumia the Porgibbles only natural enemy were Shrubberies but alas no shrubberies could be found
For a second i imagine you would speak about leia odysey in the space for your hand in the miniature of the video
Sebastian97 I️ don’t think that’s a science thing tho
There is a scientific explanation for that. th-cam.com/video/31zTiPIhJ6o/w-d-xo.html
Leia-El, last daughter of the house of El.
omg i’m binge watching these, you’re super funny and super awesome! thnx for these
"It's an older formula but it checks out" had me weak.
But what about the Droid attack on the wookies
leevikv YOU LIAR!
What _about_ the wookies, Master Ki-Adi Mundi?
I DON'T REMEMBER ASKING YOU ASKING YOU A GODAMN THING
But what about them? Wat do?
A Prequel Memer? Here? We will watch your career with great interest!
It's an older formula, but it checks out. I see what you did there
THANK YOU -- KH
Nerdist no, thank you! Love all your videos!
Was looking for this comment as soon as he said it lol
Jason Hoogerhyde lol it's the Tydirium formula
Greetings from northern Sweden and a fellow science enthusiast.
You made the math simple, if there is such thing when it comes to that 😀
Great video and a few giggles as well, have to check out your other videos as well.
6:02 In close captions, he say that the po*n is like a big earthquake 😩😩😩🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣
An starfighter (assuming it's 10 tons) flying at light speed would have 2000 times more energy than the Tsar bomba(largest nuclear bomb created).
It would definitely make no sense to have death stars or star destroyers since a few starfighters or a small ship with a hyperdrive could just kamikaze themselves into enemy ships to instantly destroy them.
Isn't Tsar bomb like 1% of total energy Sun surface releases in the same ammount of time ?
What I want to say is that 2000 times that, is WAAAY out there :D
Also, AT light speed, energy in infinite - that's why Kyle did .9999 of C.
Sorry I meant almost lightspeed.
0.5(10000kg) x 299792458^2 = 4.5x10^20
the energy released by the tsar bomba is 2.1x10^17
Alfredthegreat yo did you not watch the video. That is the wrong equation. You gotta use that special equation he had on screen for 15 seconds.
Yeah they could, and it will be fun to see how the first order reacts to this new development. But you also have to consider the lives and resources at risk. If anyone is going to be using this new information it’s our bad guys, who can enlist their brainwashed storm troopers to propel themselves at resistance bases and ships. Honestly I hope that no more of our sad, few, resistance fighters have to sacrifice their lives and resources. After all life is precious and they need all the help they can get
So your telling me that all we need to destroy the first order we only need a few kamikaze pilots...
Hyperdrives attached to asteroids with remote consoles
Have some astromech droids pilot a couple X-Wings, and you could take care of the Death Star, the second Death Star, Starkiller Base, and any other big weapons in the Star Wars universe.
That won't help because then some asian chick will fly her ship into yours. And afterwards, give you an awkward kiss. Because it is all about love.
tensaibr Fucking this! Fin should have died sacrificing himself so the rebellion could live on. Not out of some bullshit hate thing they pulled out of their ass
Probably something like:
Zork: Hey Vox, look at that fighter crashing on the one that was about to destroy us!
Vox: Haha! These insects have no intelligence!
Tarkin: You may fire when ready!
Humans dead.
What are you, a space wizard?
Me: You underestimate my power!!!
Love your videos by the way I seem to have ended up here and really enjoy your work. I'm now a subscriber 😁
haven't watched the video yet but if this isn't about the scene when luke milked that strange creature i'm deeply disappointed.
EDIT: allright this vid is NOT about the objectivly coolest scene.
Hahhahahahaha
Gross
subjectively*
They had a special bond
That's for asking the real questions on those last parts.
Out of all the videos I've seen on here, this one has blown my mind to the point, I had to re-watch this an additional 8 times.
That lightsaber scream just floored me, can't stop laughing
Maybe the ship did not reach light speed because it had only a small amount of space to launch to light speed on. That's probably why it didn't reach hyperspace and made contact with the ship
Antonio Luis Santos And the small amount of fuel could’ve limited it too
That "Lightspeed Kamikaze" is in a fraction of a second BEFORE the ship entered Hyperspace. If the ship was slightly farther away, it would just phase into Hyperspace and gave no damage at all. This move is normally impossible because The Empire would shoot the ship before entering that "accelerating into lightspeed" range. But Hux told his men to focus on the escaping vessels and ignore Holdo's ship, making it possible for her to move closer and enter that lethal range of "Lightspeed Kamikaze".
Also, about the Lightsaber, clearly shown in The Last Jedi that it behaves like a monomolecular blade, only destroy those in the path of the swings, not even damaging things 1 cm away from the blade. So exploding human is not happening.
I agree with this interpretation. -- KH
Clearly shown in the Phantom Menace it can melt through steel blast doors. A monomolecular blade would have just sliced through it. Which is it? Also they were shelling the ship the entire movie, what are you talking about? That is all something you're just making up with no evidence.
But what about in The Force Awakens when the Millenium Falcon enters hyperspace inside another ship? That ship is then undamaged. Is it perhaps dropping into the hyperspace parallel dimension before accelerating, whereas Holdo deliberately accelerated in real space without dropping into hyperspace?
3rdWheel Han accelerated towards an opening, so he didn't hit anything.
btw, even in hyperspace, they have to avoid gravity wells and physical objects, as in all the books (at least in legends), though all that's said will happen would basically be implications of said object ceasing to exist due to the collision. only one other weapon used a hyperspace projectile and that was the galaxy gun, which was destroyed.
P.S. can you made a vid on CenterPoint station from legends?
The Galaxy gun's projectiles drop out of Hyperspace right before hitting the target IIRC
@@JiggleWiggleBagel it did? i dont know much about that superweapon anyway. but i have read a good swath of legends, and thats how hyperphisics seem to work
There's a lot of videos about the unutilized potential of hyperspeed ramming weapons but this is what I was looking for. Science analysis of this cool but nonsensical scene, just out of curiosity (I know star wars is more fantasy than sci-fi but well). Thank you! Very fun video.
I think its badass when u see the ships come out of lightspeed
I think it would be scary. Here you are just vibin in your space station.. then out of no where.. BAM! Massive star destroyer pops into existence.
Hyperspace. Not "lightspeed" please
*2:59** The more you click this, the funnier it gets..*
Dan Smoke lol
yeah, that's a meme, lol
I just wasted 3 minutes of my life. Totally worth it.
OMG your right lol
i love porgs now :/
I literally stayed spoiler free on the last jedi from its release until yesterday. Now I can finally watch this episode. :D
Had to come back to this one cause rkkv weapons sound crazy. Wouldn't mind seeing these used in a bunch of different sci fi shows, only show how much power they actually have.
I remember reading a Cerberus Network article during the gap between Mass Effect 2 and 3, where you had a terrorist, disable the safeties on their freighter's FTL drive, aim it at a planet, and engage the drive. Supposedly the city it struck, was all but annihilated. Its basically the same principle as a rail gun only scaled up much more.
That's got my noggin joggin. Doesn't the FTL in Mass Effect work by reducing the effective mass of things?
Yes, that is the case. In universe, FTL drives create a mass effect field, that reduces the mass of the ships, to the point where they can exceed the speed of light. But that doesn't exactly mean that the objects then have no mass. If you have something that has the same mass as a beer can, if it hits something at FTL speeds, that's going to be a catastrophic explosion anyway. Kyle please correct me if i'm wrong
FTL speeds are regardless not possible, because even a something with the (rest) mass of a beer can would have an infinite mass when reaching lightspeed. Now if you reduce the relativistic effects to make lightspeed and even above a possibility with less than infinite energy you automatically reduce the kinetic energy as well.
In the end a ships kinetic energy for collisions will always be limited by it's engine and thus you can always build just as strong conventional weapons using the same energy source. Unless naturally the propulsion system is some form of perpetual motion machine, but in that case the question remains why this is not useable as source of energy generation to build lasers or black holes with it. ;-)
If we try to make ME physics work with RL physics, what would happen is literally nothing. The FTL ship would simply pass through the city, and it's planet. To reach lightspeed while having mass (ANY mass), you need infinite energy. We can safely assume they don't have infinite energy because the ME universe has not evaporated into a universe-size sphere of radiation. Thus only way to reach lightspeed by reduction of mass is to reduce mass to zero. At zero mass, there are no forces present to interact with other matter, and the ME RKKV passes through the target harmlessly.
If we assume that the ME field is disrupted by the planet or something, bringing the RKKV out of FTL upon impact, it would simply appear at the impact point at zero velocity and settle gently onto the ground. Energy must be conserved, you see. (0 Mass * C) has the same kinetic energy as (X Mass * 0 velocity) - aka, none at all. So once again, nothing would happen.
Neither of these scenarios are possible under in-game canon though. Canon states that bullets are accelerated using ME technology, and they hurt upon impact, so in-game physics clearly don't work this way. In RL this violates the law of conservation of energy and is impossible. So if we stay in-game, we have to acknowledge that ME physics and RL physics don't mix, and what would happen is basically determined by the plot.
The problem is (and correct me if I'm not remembering correctly) that 'light speed' in star wars was an inter-dimensional form of travel (nicknamed hyper-space). So it wasn't increasing speed per say, but rather jumping into an inter-dimensional Super highway. Kind of like an HOV lane.
Tristan The Raddus hadn’t broken into hyperspace yet and was still in sublight speeds
Tristan Also in a New hope. Han talked about the dangers of Hyperspace travel.
Not to mention the Supremacy had a miniature hyperspace portal within their hyperspace tracker, so that might be par of the reason there was such a reaction.
Colin Thorneycroft There is no such thing as being nearly in hyperspace. It's an actual place. Either you are there or you are not there. If a ship has not yet reached hyperspace, it is being pushed by only it's sublight engines. Those same engines (stated as being out of fuel and incapable of outrunning the First Order ships) are all that you have to generate kinetic energy for your kamikaze attack.
Your ship appears to speed up before going into hyperspace. Also objects in hyperspace can still be affected by real world objects such as black holes (this is canon).
I loved that scene when Kylo stopped blaster with his FORCE. That was so dope
The big question is: why/how do the battleship's projectiles ARC IN SPACE???
Gravity?
@@dimitriapostolopoulos3662 Crait is THAT way (points over there), not down.
@@BlackEpyon i dont understand what that means whats a crait lol
@@dimitriapostolopoulos3662 Crait is the planet they flee to with all the red salt.
@@BlackEpyon oh im out of that loop lol
So rather than building a Death Star, the Empire could have lightspeed tie fighters into planets? What a waste
Samu Sumo
Tie fighters don’t have lightspeed capability, they are completely dependent on star destroyers for takeoff and landing.
There are TIE variants now, even in the new canon, that have hyperspace capability. It would be cheaper to produce a ballistic TIE fighter than a TIE Defender, but they really are a one shot weapon. :D
Kamikaze basically
Olordrin still the cost of the Death Star is equivalent to like 10,000 die fighter planet killing missiles. I doubt you need more than that.
It really wouldn't do _that_ much damage, considering a ship the size of the Malevolence barely put a dent in the moon it jumped into.
in nutshell every one die in that impact both first order and resistance. no more episode 9
plus all the resistance ships that are escaping, there all dead.
I can get behind that
David Perin WAAAYYY behind that!
Has anyone been pedantic enough to point out that Kelvin doesn't have degrees? 9:05
You're welcome.
If you like books/audiobooks and want to read about kinda hard-scifi space battles I can't recommend "The lost fleet" series enough! The whole "information only at lightspeed" thing there makes you realize how slow the speed of light information actually is.
awesome episode. lowkey when i watched the movie and saw that scene I thought "that's not what would happen, Kyle is gonna be so pissed haha."
a Star Wars video and NO SURPRISE LIGHTSABER?!?!?!?!?!?!? i feel betrayed......
Can't do it every time! Then it wouldn't be a surprise -- KH
this is exactly like if Cisco Ramon would have a youtube channel, like EXACTLY.
dude your shows are AWESOME!!! love muskwatch
ADMIRAL AAAACKBARRRRR😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I will be remembered
diamond rank gaming I wish she would have screamed that before she hit that hyperdrive switch lol
I do too
Clorox Peach the dark humor is strong in this one
Some years ago, this was my first experience with Kyle Hill. He's amazing. I'm subscribed to his new channel.
So here's my question though... Would it destroy the planet they escaped to? And if not, just how much damage WOULD it do? would they have even made it in time?
TheRadiantDehd Crait
That’s what I thought, too. That planet should be toast as well.
All the surrounding Star Destroyers should have been vaporized given their proximity to the explosion.
Storm Commando crait
I think the biggest issue, is what rules ships entering, and existing hyperspace follow in Star Wars, as far as acceleration, and whether the acceleration is purely done by Newtonian engines, or whether the ship begins to shift more and more of its mass into hyperspace as it begins its jump. Some of these scenarios might result in less mass directly interacting with the Supremacy. Even if the Raddus did complete its jump, one idea, is that the Raddus night have still been very shallow in subspace, so it might have hit the Supremacy's mass shadow, with some of the Raddus mass getting forced back into realspace, in a narrow cone centered along its original trajectory, some of which would tear through the supremacy, while other fragments would emerge from hyperspace some distance behind the ship, creating a large relativistic navigation hazard.
Speaking of the Large Hadron Collider, wouldn’t a collision at that speed create a black hole?
Probably would. Because that's a lot of energy
I dont think they use it at that speed i hope
This is so good. I was trying to derivate myself, have been reading crappy formulations for non-relativistic impactors (like dinosaur killer asteroids) and happened across this video. I'm not even going to bother. Well done sir.
So does this mean the Millennium Falcon could have destroyed Star Killer base by itself?
Ha! Depends on the velocity, but if Han never slowed down...yeah probably -- KH
This really gets into the nitty-gritty detail of how hyperspace works, which the movies were never clear or consistent on. I think the canon explanation is that hitting Starkiller Base's mass shadow while in hyperspace would have blown up in the Millenium Falcon in hyperspace, not realspace.
I think in canon it been said that hyperspace doesn't work well in a planet's gravity well, so the falcon probably was forced to slow down.
Or a singke x-wing flying into the reactor
In star wars Canon, ships travelling through hyperspace would pass objects in real space but only if it has little gravity. Objects with huge gravity wells would yank out a hyperspace ship. Unfortunately, the ship would often be yanked too close to the object, giving little time for the the pilot to react to avoid collision. So the force awakens with the Falcon almost hitting starkiller base is accurate to canon.
This is also why we didn't see raddus maneuver explosions in other scenes that we thought depict a raddus maneuver when in reality, it is not the maneuver. Those scenes are simply ships exiting hyperspace too close to another ship and collided with them in real space without the ftl energy.
The real question: Why didn't the light speed ram work against Vader's ship in Rogue One when the rebels were escaping? They just bounced off his ship.
TrulyEvilBob shields were most likely up....they had no reason to have them up in Last Jedi
why wouldn't they be with the shield up in a combat situation ? I remember seeing the rebel ships firing back, even if not very often.
Because the transport wasn't going into hyperspace. The Star Destroyer showed up and the transport crashed into it before they could jump.
I would say, based on the scene, that the ships that impacted and exploded against the Star Destroyer hadn't begun their hyperspaces jumps at the time. If you look, those ships appear to still be moving at sub-light speed, presumably as the coordinates were being entered and they were building momentum. This is further highlighted by the fact that the ships that had already begun their jumps passed harmlessly by the Star Destroyer as it exited hyperspace. The different classes of ships all have different lightspeed capabilities (there's actually a break down of it in the Star Wars RPG) so some are able to accelerate much more quickly than others, which is what we're seeing in that scene.
they hit him at regular speed before going to warp
This is a common enough tatic in _Star Trek_ that they even have a specially designed ship for doing so [or so I've read in one of the non-canon novels]. The dying ships captain orders everyone off the ship, into the escape pods. Then, with his last breath, he turns the ship about and hurls it into the enemy vessel.
So Ryan ripped off Star Trek for a Star Wars movie?
Hilarious as usual! So in theory, porgs could become the ultimate hope for peace, so long as the dark side doesn't have porg light speed torpedoes first.
So in the beginning of the movie when the rebel ships are bombing the drednot, the bombs FALL out of the ship and on to the drednot. Fall. In space.
Blake Kreitner Falling towards an object of greater mass(ie the dreadnaught). Things fall in space all the time.
Blake Kreitner they were electromagnetically launched, not dropped
There's artificial gravity in the ship. The bomb drops in the ship. It continues "falling" because no other forces are acting on it. And they are also magnetized.
For a second there I was like "wah? did I miss something with the bombers?" For the turbolasers, I'm not sure how they work, but presumably they are some sort of purpose built cannon that somehow lob plasma around, probably designed to account for the shape of the Supremacy and the fact that it would be hard for it to have many cannons that can fire forwards without moving the whole ship.
Fall in artificial gravity while being held in a magnetic rail system and having a magnetic targeting system on top ;-)
Just clarifying for you: in Star Wars FTL, a ship can still hit a object in real space due to the object’s mass shadow. Not the first time a ship crashed into something going through hyperspace either. Check how the Malevolence was destroyed in the Clone Wars cartoon.
there are so many references some really well integrated im scared of how many i might have missed in all these videos
Fascinating. This is the kind of education I needed in high school. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
if using ships like this is now a viable weapon, all the rebels need do is strap a hyperdrive and a remote guidance system to a hunk of metal and lay waste to any thing they want... its a bit OP
Asteroids are plentiful and dense
Or you know, the first order builds Tie drones with hyperdrives
Dr. Spatula asteroids are more plentiful than the 12 guys left in the resistance, thats for sure. A shame really. So many of those dead rebels only had 2 more days to retirement.
Da1ienx maybe they’ll nerf it
Dr. Spatula I am also plentiful and dense
Wouldn't it destroy all the rebels and the planets nearby too?
MNM mcg the explosion wouldn’t be THAT huge
Good luck dodging space debris and ricochet
@@megazion34 yeah it is look at the math
megazion34 yes, it would actually. We’re talking about energy that is far greater than any natural event that could possibly happen in the known universe. Nearby planets would be shattered. And if there are debris from the collision, those pieces will also be traveling at relativistic speeds in all directions and will not stop until it hits something. A tactic like this is unimaginably powerful and dangerous.
Peter2kx holdo wasn’t even at light speed or hyperspace yet since ee can still see the ship moving when it hits the mega star destroyer. There was a lot of energy build up but not as much as the porg in the video
i like your acrylic whiteboard aesthetic. subscribed
Great video Nerdist!!!
I want to commend you on what appears to be a well-developed talent for printing backwards on glass for the camera to read clearly. But I have to ask: Do you really print backwards or do you print forwards, and then flip the video in your post production?Very curious.Love the awesome videos, keep 'em coming!
Hyperspace is hundreds of times faster than the speed of light
I've always seen it as kind of a parallel dimension (or sub-dimension), given that it really is wildly faster than light. Similar to Babylon 5 in its explanation. It seems like in the SW universe, though you have to hit (or approach) light speed to get into hyperspace, which might not be unreasonable if you have popping into a sub-dimension.
RZheng 02 is most likely warp drive
more Millions of times actually ^_^
They traveled about 100,000 light years in something like 5 hours in the movie.
Sergio M. Cuya jumping to hyperspace is going into another dimension not warping space
Hundreds of thousands, depending on the hyperdrive class ( pls don’t tell the senate about my ship it has a 0.01 class hyperdrive)
I'm surprised Star Wars hasn't gone "nerd enough" to harness a pulsar to emit a controlled gamma ray burst at planets.
Lucasfilms: Hold my beer.
Stop making things more op, or you know, just force a star to collapse in on itself, creating a black hole, that will suck everything in, including the planet.
Very cool, I know that a lot of comments explaining the scene based on SW Legends and cannon info exists already but I wanna share my version. For context, this is based on three fact:
1. Hyperspace is supposedly another space dimension (Legends).
2. The Supremacy has a tractor beam so powerful that eject ships from hyperspace, so the ship should have so presence in both places at the same time.
3. The Raddus is a heavily protectet cruiser with one of the most powerful shields in the entire SW universe.
When Holdo makes the jump the "shadow" of the Supremacy in the hyperspace collides with the Raddus and its shields, creating debris that exit hyperspace with relativistic speed. This debris are the RKKV that destroy the fleet behind the Supremacy.
I knew it was toned down but dang... Mind blown! Love the Chanel keep up the awesome work
Imagine the slow-mo, where the Star Destroyers, the resistance shuttles, and Crait's surface are blown (stripped) away to nothing at the atomic level. He's right. Not only is this the ONE piece of StarWars that actually WOULD work, but it would work far better IRL. Screw Disney Cannon and it's experimental shielding.
Noo, Kyle! You said degree Kelvin!
Well what's the problem with that?
Yasin Nam You don't use the term "degree" when referring to kelvin temperature, like you do with Celsius or Fahrenheit.
Well ok
In germany (where I'm from) you can say degree (or "Grad" in german) Kelvin. Both is possible.
And I saw a documentation a week ago with Stephen Hawking where he also said degree Kelvin so that tells that in english both is acceptable
Yasin Nam It doesn't follow the SI guidelines for using the unit, though.
Ok I see
I read them and the part with Kelvin was implemented in 1967
Before that it was °K / degree Kelvin
By that time Hawking was 25 years old so maybe he's just used to say °K like many other.
I've been saying for years, you don't need death stars, just hyperdrive a ship into your target planet and it's gon. A Sith WMD would look like a swarm of small droids spread throughout the galaxy ready to Admiral Akbar into anything.
BioCyberNaught Ugh but hyperdrive is not light speed... Hyperdrives allow starships to travel faster than the speed of light, crossing space through the alternate dimension of hyperspace. So they aren’t travelling through space, you’re travelling through Space-time. This suggests that the technology can manipulate relative theory.
So no, it’s not two objects plowing through each other, it’s more like one object passing through the other like a ghost.
It’s completely nonsensical and is horrible writing and just plainly awful cannon. This is why the Death Star had to be blown up from the inside 🤦♂️
Although, you could argue that if they have the technology to jump through another dimension of space-time, in theory they could develop science fiction KKKV weaponry like suggested in this video but that is completely different, and I would still call it lazy story writing. Mostly because For a particle which is created travelling slower than the speed of light, the speed of light is the fastest possible speed. The reason is that, in order to accelerate an object, you need to use energy. ... At this point, it is impossible to gain enough energy to accelerate the object any further. However if a human was travelling that fast (or any organic matter, for that matter lol), physical consequence of traveling at the speed of light is that your mass becomes infinite and you slow down. According to relativity, the faster you move, the more mass you have. No, we cannot travel at the speed of light. You see, if an object travels at the speed of light, its mass will increase exponentially! Consider this… the speed of light is 300,000 kilometers per second (186,000 miles per second) and when an object moves at this speed, its mass will become infinite.
So if you account to how fast they “jump” to those speeds it would definitely kill anyone piloting a vessel because of the laws of inertia, and before you say there’s no gravitational pull in empty space, even in space objects have mass. And if they have mass, they have inertia. That is, an object in space resists changes in its state of motion.
So you say “so what, weaponize light-speed with non manned pilots.” Well to that I say if they can make weapons with light speed they most definitely can develop EMP type weapons which would render it unless.
However the whole point of this is that there is A LOT of “Ifs” so, yes it’s horrible and stupid writing by Disney and Rian Johnson. Case closed.
BioCyberNaught And it makes perfect sense too because it explains why they don’t blow up when travelling in hyperspace. Just imagine all the space debris they would hit if they were travelling at light speed - or faster, which is impossible for measuring speed - which would include: planets, ships, asteroids, etc. Of course it’s all science fiction but this movie destroys Star Wars lore and physics lmao. Good job Disney 👏👏
3 there is the fact the we see in every Star Wars movie that the ships get pulled, it’s heavily distorted, meaning it’s being pulled fast enough in order to enter hyperspace. With that in mind, it means that when entering hyperspace, the ship get accelerated at the beginning, during, and at the end of going thru hyperspace. If it’s getting propelled and mid impact, it would carry the momentum from the transition. We know it’s not going at the speed of light, but we do know that it’s moving increasingly fast upon impact, causing the ship to become shrapnel. The reason why it wouldn’t work to weaponize it nor would sending a bunch into the Death Star would be because what we saw in TLJ was a large flagship crash into one of the thinner areas of a wing section, which is why it was able to do so much damage, but if an x wing were to try it, or even a cruiser like home one, they would leave varying craters in the Death Star. It might destroy it, but there are many variables to calculate for. Another example comes from the battlefront 2 (EA) game, in which a cutscene shows a star destroyer coming out of hyperspace and destroying a rebel blockade runner by ramping it while coming out of hyperspace, meaning that hyperspace ramming is a tactic, just not a effective nor safe one. This shows that what holdo did is a plausible thing that only works under certain circumstances.
Troy Sheinsin
Coming out of hyperspace could work as a tactic because it allows for the element of surprise and tactical positioning. The speed is more of a second variable. However, if you are going from rest and accelerating into hyperspace, again an object would have to be travelling at a very high speed for it to cause the damage that it did, even if it is to a weaker part of the Dreadnaught’s wing because it had fully functional shields. Even if we do calculate the mass and size of the flagship Holdo used, it would still have to be travelling at very significant speeds, which as proven in this video would cause massive effects. It’s just not very intuitive, nor consistent in my mind in the way it was demonstrated. It’s much more convenient to me, and in theory it would probably have to be going near the speed of light for the maneuver to be pulled off successfully. This is also seen by the amount of distance in space it passed within milliseconds of the scene.
The biggest fallacy to this logic, once again are the fully functional deflector shields. Several varieties of deflector shields existed, including ray shields, which deflected or scattered energy (although sometimes they were not powerful enough to fully negate enemy fire), and particle shields, which diffused impacts from high-velocity projectiles and proton weapons.
We know for a fact that these shields can endure a lot of energy and are very durable to withstanding or deflecting various forms of kinetic and thermal damages. This is why shield generators are so heavily protected and robust.
So if it’s not going the speed of light, or if it is going very close to it, the damage should have been much worse, or none at all. Can’t have it both ways in my mind. Either way it was very anticlimactic and a daft conclusion.
3 interesting idea, but it also brings up the question of what happens when to ships collide and they both have their shields up? In reflecting on what you said about the distance it travels in between frames, as we get closer to light speed, science as we know it gets wonky, so how would shields interact with each other upon collision? Also the shields are meant to withstand a lot of damage, but in the case of the movie, all the force( no pun intended) is concentrated into one relative position as supposed to it being spread out like with laser fire, and would likely run into the same problem as with a kinetic energy barrier( barriers that absorbed kinetic energy and send it back, with their one flaw being something that either is applying a constant unrelenting force, or something applying a immense amount of force over a relatively small area). Plus, shields in Star Wars have a refraction period, so when she went into hyperspace, she could have just lucked out and phased thru the ships shields during the refraction period, in which the shields were down for a nanosecond, and bypassed them completely. Although, again, physics do get wonky the closer we approach light speeds and the shields might not have matter to something that was fast enough that the normal sense of physics wouldn’t apply to. We can at least determine that the ship was reaching near light speeds and crashed, becoming shrapnel, after the ship crashed, so it most likely means that the ship was able to put enough force on the shields to disable them and tear thru, becoming shrapnel in the process.
This was a really great video loved the information.
Its an old meme Sir, but it checks out
No SURPRISE LIGHTSABER!!!
MxGaming there was a light saber at the beginning, it set him on fire.
Jeramy Higginson yeah but was it a surprise lightsaber
See you were expecting it, so he's not going to do it and when he does again it will be a surprise
The Lonely oh damn son you right
Surprise No Surprise Lightsaber? :)
Weird thought, what would happen if it was only going .5c to get into hyperspace? Similar thing I assume, no time to dodge, but more manageable energies. Last question, could you potentially calculate at what speed the impact needs to take place, in order to produce the effect seen in the movie?
I just did. It's .5c. Because science.
In the hard-ish scifi book I wrote, Alcubierre drive gets invented in the late 55th century (took us long enough) and the Sol System government doesn't share them with civilians or exoplanet colonists for this exact reason. Every ftl drive is a weapon of mass destruction. In fact with Alcubierre drive, forget ftl speeds or space warping, the Death Ray effect (accounted for in the book) can pretty much vaporize the crust of a planet too (or more) and you don't even need to lose your ship.
"It's an older formula but it checks out" I see that lol
What's the point of creating a Death Star and Star Destroyer then? Just make a bunch of tiny autopilot ships and send them into planets at hyperspeed xD
Uniique TwiisT exactly what I thought watching that shitty movie. There were certain rules in this universe, they changed them. Not good.
Shields and the need to accelerate. The timing and distance would have to be perfect. Too close, you may not get the velocity you need and be squished against the ship's shields. Too far, you'd pass into hyperspace before the collision.
Also, Kyle said "If it's going the speed we're assuming it's going". In the case of the movie, the speed Holdo accelerated to was enough to cut the Supremacy's wing (and enough for the shrapnel to tear many Resurgents apart), but not enough for the results Kyle got. In other words, you have to be super-precise for the maximum result.
As we see in SW7, they are capable of aiming a point with only dozen of meters of error at some lightyear of distance. So they are completly capable to aim a death star. One of the biggest plotholes of this new trilogy.
Catalyst375 why would they need shields if they're basically suicide planes
Correction: Han did that, and he's known for the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. He's no ordinary pilot.
This was a great episode! I live the whole thing.
You mentioned the Raddus would pass through the Supremacy if it was really going in hyperspace. I want to know how that works. [Because Science]
Tyr Correct me if i'm wrong, but Hyperspace is another dimension where the laws of physics are different allowing you to go faster than lightspeed, and the distances are shorter. To enter it the ships approach lightspeed.
In Star Wars Universe Hyperspace is only usable through discovered "Lanes", so there is like some kinda of Einstein-Rosen Bridge highway system that Hyperdrives allow ships onto. Han Solo is a good smuggler bc he calculates routes that 'jump between' lanes so he can cut time off trips (hence he flys 'faster' in space)
Carrie Snider you are correct. While in hyperspace ships don't pass through anything. Thus the calculations you are referring to are for the ships computers to calculate a clear straight path from where you are to your destination. This has been referenced in several books (technically non-cannon anymore but until Disney says otherwise I see no reason to let it stand).
“It’s an older formula but it checks out”. I see what you did there, Admiral Piett 🤓😏
We have seen this before in Star Wars. It is called the galaxy gun. The project was authorized by the emperor himself
I thought that was legends
Not remotely the same thing. The Galaxy Gun fired a warhead into hyperspace... and DROPPED the warhead from hyperspace before impact, which would disqualify it from being an RKKV. It was good at sneak attacks, but all they had to do was skip the warhead, launch their garbage at the enemy (saving money), and keep it in hyperspace until impact.