I could cry with gratitude for this conversation - I was born and grew up in socialist Hungary. But, thanks to my parents, I knew that the world around me was built on lies upon lies. Now at 69, I could either go into hysterics or steely, resilient silence when I look at the Western world around me. I am following Christ as best as I can.Thank you, gentlemen!
Virginia Prodan, a Romanian escapee and Christian, wrote Saving My Assassin. There are a few interviews with her on TH-cam, too. Love her story and yours sounds very interesting and important too. I wish people like you had bigger platforms. But I think a lot of people - even politically like-minded - are in denial. 🙉🙈 You’re more American than many born here. Glad you made it out!!! ❤️
@@lisaharris452 - the lies: compelled speech, censored reality, watch who you are talking to and self-censor what you are saying, compelled emotions, deny even to yourself what you are seeing, there is a political elite and they are always right, do not think for yourself - Big Brother will tell you what you think, use the propaganda slogans to get on in the world, life is awful but the Party is saving you, decent human beings who tell the truth must be humiliated and persecuted, while conformists and turn-coats will be elevated, ugly and cheap is beautiful, church is bad- Jesus never existed - God is a fairy tale, the Red Army were our Saviour and we are grateful for ever (in reality they raped every woman they could lay their hands on) etc...etc.... the message was covert mostly but relentless and on all fronts. Can YOU see any similarities?? What makes me hysterical? This milieu poisoned people's mind, my society. I have been permanently scarred by the schizophrenic existence. I was not allowed to voice any of my own feelings about it for fear of retribution. I witnessed as a young child people completely broken by the system. Human wrecks....People were still executed in early 1960s for their participation in the 1956 revolution. Often you just wanted to scream and go berserk but instead you had to show that you are okay with it all....Why am I hysterical? Do I need to explain it? My media diet? I have no media diet!!! For goodness' sake - this is Life, not a research study! I refuse to be counted as a "consumer " of anything - including media. I am a person, not a specimen. That is exactly how we were treated - not like humans with our unique individualities, our richness and struggles that deserve respect, only as objects that can be eliminated, squashed into neat categories and spied upon. I live in the UK.
@@lisaharris452 who is in charge of my thoughts? I am in charge of sorting and selecting from many random thoughts (from jibberish to spoonfed slogans and creative excursions). The process is mostly unconscious, so hypnotic messages from media float in easily as ready-made thoughts...- I do not understand your question. Thoughts pop up (as you see in silent meditation)on their own accord, but I can choose which one I believe in, which one to use to construct my understanding of the world around me, which ones prove to be true to reality, which ones I choose to follow for moral reasons. So am I in charge? Thoughts are like a strange lake with all kinds of fish popping up - I am the one to choose from them those I want to cook my dinner with. In a totalitarian regime, I am made to eat the rotten or poisonous fish others already put on my fishing rod. Feelings, in a similar way, need sifting and time to settle and cristalise. This is a murky area, you can carry other people's feelings convinced that they are yours, you can be tricked into an emotional response (see all adverts! and media presentations.) Perfect level for manipulation as emotions can be over exaggerated, suggested and influenced by society...... so am I in charge? Yes, but only if I am trained and practised in mindfulness meditation or silent contemplation and no if I lack the necessary self-awareness. Who is in charge of my speech? Do you ever just blabber out something that you should not have said? Not say anything when you should have? If TH-cam or my workplace or the government decides that I should not have written these lines, I may have just ignored your questions. A sticky tape over my mouth placed by someone else. Speech is public and therefore up for scrutiny and judgement. The great question is who scrutinises and with what intentions. For an honest debate, for clarification or for catching me out for punishment? (If I know that my speech would be hurting someone then, for moral consideration, I may hold back (but that should remain my own personal decision and not a mob rule or government dictate) and still I may consider how to put the message across in a more acceptable way.) The idea is :no free speech - no free minds. To insure that the doctrine works, you might be declared to need medication and psychiatric surveillance. Surely you did not expect such a long and non-committal answer, but there you are. No easy tick-box answers. Who makes me worry that I will be persecuted if I speak my mind? The question is false. It is not a who question, it is a how question. Deplatforming, silencing emails from HR ( notice the name : human RESOURCES), a boss, a snitching colleague, a student in the academic world, a mob in front of a hall, a slandering article, a social media campaign to fire you, to defame you, to intimidate you. In a word : ostracising. The who does it - is irrelevant. Are there laws against what I want to say? Hate speech. Mis/disinformation. Social media "guidelines". No appeal - instant verdict. Hope you don't mind if I do not respond to the other questions. If you are part of society today, you know the answers. If you do not know the answers - my reply will fall on fallow ground. ....and by the way, the surveillance and monitoring is not done by a "who" - it remains faceless behind technology or done by snitchers.
Dear Dr. Peterson. Thank you for still making your content available for free. I don't live in the USA and simply cannot afford a subscription to DW+ because of the exchange rate ($1 = R17). It would be a great loss of wisdom, knowledge & insight to us "less fortunate" folks who still have a desire to improve not only our own miserable lives but also to help those around us. Once again, I thank you
@@AcidifiedMammoth wow that doesn’t seem real! So sorry it is that high. Maybe you and some friends could gather enough money to pay for one month’s worth and y’all could watch all of the movies they have available together. You can pay month by month at the Daily Wire so you can cancel at the end of the month. It is like paying for a movie ticket and you get several movies to watch. They will keep making movies. So maybe twice a year y’all could come up with the money for a movie and watch every night a new movie! Bless y’all. Remember God multiplies your efforts.
Always a lovely sight to see fellow South Africans around these parts. I aswell am very much in the same predicament, being an unemployed graduate, but I'm going to start saving up and hopefully soon might be able to afford at least one month's fee, it's definitely going to be an uphill battle (for sure..😅) but I think having access to Daily Wire plus is so worth it brother.
Dude it's a basic conversation 😒 most people know this is going on and why bit it's dammed if you do dammed if you don't. Meaning if you stand up you will be crushed by cancel culture and if you don't stand up it will steam roll over you n e ways.
The last two years have made it crystal clear that I’d rather stand with people who are very different from me in every way who have courage than with simpering conformists to tyranny. Thank you so much for this conversation. I’m sharing it with many
Petersons contribution to our society wont be fully realized until historians are looking back at what went wrong and those who had the courage to rise and speak against it eloquently and intelligently.
Not backing down is not a virtue in itself. I love Peterson but he says some really silly stuff sometimes just because it sound profound. His Jungian interpretation of scripture is particularly nauseating.
100% on point. God saved me 30 years ago from addiction. Yet the church I found were those self centered about getting all the materialistic windfalls the west back then offered. I needed to know Jesus for He was my salvation, so after 10 years left the church. Went to college to help woman on the streets get help. Believe me being labelled a drug addict 40 years ago was just like being a leper. I studied all the catholic fathers, most martyred and those of early century who found the narrow way. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and those who went to nazi camps. Finally found a group at 60 who know the real price to follow Christ. My faith at 61 and health is poor will be tested, I've know were this was evolving in Canada. History repeats, may God help us.
You sound like a beautiful person, and I’m so happy you found a strong faith community. Your journey into the history of the church (the people) brought something to mind I have just been realizing. The church is not bound by time or space. It includes every Christian from now back to Christ’s day-and before, really, as it seems some encountered Him in prophecy and perhaps other forms long before His birth. All of us around the globe, some famous-some infamous at times-and most unknown to history or in current times. There is a lot of strength in that. Good to meet you, sister! 😊
100% agree with everything you are saying. I was born in Ukraine in the 80's, it was USSR. and left when I was a toddler. My grandmother told me crazy stories about life under communism. luckily l never got to actually experience it, but I could really understand the difference between free world and complete totalitarianism. Up to 2020 I so proud to be a Canadian, but current government (that I unfortunately voted for) and recent political events made me see how slowly we are as a nation, getting dragged down the wrong path. Unfortunately for someone that was born and raised in Canada, the situation is not as clear as to someone that understands what totalitarianism really is.
Justin Trudeau tricked a lot of people with his nice sounding promises and convincing words. I too believed him in the beginning, and in the beginning I didn't see what was happening. We are awake now, though, and as long as we stay awake and alert he won't trick us again. Waking up to his lies and deceptive, misleading words and information about covid made me see some other lies that 'they' (the government, the WEF, and the media) are trying to get us to believe, like with "climate change". They have been fear mongering about that lie for quite awhile, but I realize now that these "green" changes are neither "green" nor beneficial to us, or even to the environment. The destruction these "green" plans will have if implemented will be far greater and more catastrophic than if we just did nothing. 'They' are trying to trick us into taking part in our own destruction. These plans aren't "pro-environment", they are anti-human. I have woken up, and staying awake is more important than ever right now. Sticking together and not letting them create hate and division amongst us is also important. We are far stronger than them when we are united, and that's why 'they' want to scare us, create division amongst us, cause us to be hateful to one another, and want us to fight amongst ourselves over small differences instead of fighting against them over their lies and deceit. We just cannot let them succeed. I am very glad that my sister woke me up, and I'm glad that more and more people are waking up every day.
I listened to this whole interview, finished it at the daily wire, I loved every piece of it. I must say that I can’t thank you enough, because you have opened my eyes in a way that makes understand the importance of religion in our lives. I wish every single person can listen to what you have to say, many will literally run back to church, if they found out why is it so important. I can’t thank you enough. God bless you 🙏🏻
@@brucegoodie since the Jews consistently score 1.5-2 Standard deviation points above all other races in IQ, maybe you'd like to rethink your own ignorant, racist insult?
As an Australian we’ve been faced with understanding what we could lose by standing up to the government and while it was scary, it was also very freeing. Even the idea of solitary confinement was exciting to allow me to truly delve into the spiritual and meditation. Nothing so far has come up, but I am so much more at peace, and always ready for the fight and the struggle.
If the Collective was an individual it would be "scheduled" i.e. Locked away under the mental health act. Complying our way out of Tyranny is futile. I hear ya. A fellow Aussie.
@@georgiawilksch5708 Ah . The "Govern me harder, daddy"; crowd. Those who look to a politician as a father figure deserve what they get. Trouble is ,enabling the tyrant drags the rest of us into the hellpit of their infantile fantasies. Brainless eejits !
Thank you so much Dr. Peterson !!! 🙏🏻 I lived in communist Romania 37 years ago and I fled illegally from there in 1985 when I was 31 years old (not many girls had the courage to do it, if they caught me I could be killed… or prison etc) What was happening in this moment reminds me of the past… somewhere now I regret the gesture I made because from here I can no longer run away… the ocean is hard to pass on foot… !!! 😞 I Have a lot to say but I'll stop here !!! Too bad the people here don't understand and don't see what is being prepared for them !!!🥲
I think it’s interesting that Dreher could see the trajectory of what’s happening, yet let his TDS stop him from supporting an administration that would have stopped or at least slowed it down bc Trump triggered memories of his childhood bullies. Goes to show just seeing the danger isn’t enough. Can’t let feelings cloud good judgment. I recommend his books though. Well worth the read! Virginia Prodan, also a Romanian escapee, wrote Saving My Assassin. There are a few interviews with her on TH-cam, too. Love her story and yours sounds very interesting and important too. You’re more American than many born here. Glad you made it out!!! ❤️
You risked everything once for freedom. You know more than most how much its worth. Perhaps you will be called again to do so. It’s true, there’s nowhere to go from here. We tell the truth and fight back or become slaves. The US has a different history than USSR…freedom is in the DNA of this nation. People such as yourself, who risked everything for freedom, are the reason freedom ever existed here. There are many of us who feel this way. We will be victorious.
Thank you for your story ' love to here More ... But Yes ' I see the Change from The Demonic Liberal Regime want ' American people to depend on Government hand outs , in exchange to give UP our Constitution -Freedoms and Rights . Never shall I do that and I'm not along many many Millions of America's do not agree what is taking place . we are prepared .
You don’t have to become a Saint to contract your future self to receive the benefit of you being yourself until then. Crypto is the only tool that provides ourselves this ability. Look at Richard Heart for that, no need for a new old Messiah. Software, immutable, censorship resistant is what’s empowering your descendants from your own evil. Not any other foul
It doesn't get any better than this. I've waited years to hear JP and RD to have this conversation. This is the collaboration of genius and courage. A message desperately needing to be heard - and listened to - by everyone in the West. It's not too late, but it is fifteen minutes to midnight.
I’m so thankful I came across this discussion. I’ve been noticing the same things occurring in our society and everyone around looks at me like I’m chicken little saying the sky is falling. By the time most people notice how our freedoms are being stripped away, it will be too late.
If that happens, then it is what we deserve. It means we just didn’t convince enough people. It means prepare and move somewhere amongst like minded ppl as a back up. Where they’ll try to fight the tyranny and not sell you out to the state. There’s only so much you can do. Other ppl have to want to seek the information themselves.
We're already captive and no one seems to care as long as they're fed and entertained. As I've noticed lately, trying to live on my own terms. Aside from being taxed to death, you can't do a thing without government permission. Where you can put your home, what kind of home, drive a car, even catch a fish.. all with govt approval. They're so big and bloated now, and some people will even support these rules, for safety! But usually no one lifts a finger until it affects them personally.
Deep down I think it's less that they don't believe you and more that they don't want it to be true. People work their 9-5 job, drink their Starbuck, live on a credit card, watch their favorite streaming service and repeat. People like to live in a bubble and act like the world isn't full of problems. It's amazing how many of my family members or friends say "I dont want to talk about it" or "can we switch topics" when I start discussing politics. It's not that they deny what I'm saying they just don't want it to be true so they block it out.
I live on a farm in the middle of Texas. Happy yes but so glad that people like you are doing what u do. Meaning …talking about things that matter and can truly help people. It helps me through me day week month. Because I live in a more secluded life than most but still want to better myself and my home and community to do better. We can always do better!!!
I’m 60 and I’ve thought my whole life I’m crazy and yet these two are telling me exactly what I’ve already felt and believed as long as I can remember!
I think one of the most fascinating things I’ve learned from Peterson was in regards to lying. I never thought it possible to be able to deceive yourself until I read his book. Also the fact that no one gets away with anything is something you begin to observe within your own life when you actually pay attention.
I can relate to this. I suffered burn accident stuck for 1 year healing. It's one of the richest experience in my life. I felt how my mom and my wife along with my whole family would care for me. That experience thought me how to care.
It's basic bitch conversion we all know what's going on but people can't do anything about it unless 80% of people are on the somewhat same page in life. Meaning stand up for what you believe and cancel culture will get you and if you do nothing you get steam rolled n e ways.
I am a 71 year old man who is actually crying with gratitude! Our generation created the conditions for inevitable catastrophe unless we speak up as these gentlemen have done. More important than that is that we live moral lives. These men are calling me to repentance and I am searching my heart and soul. What can I do to atone for my sins? To seek an live the truth as best I can.
Thank you for sharing. And bless you. Just this, speaking out and realising for me is already so much. My mum, your age is just in freeze and not accepting the truth. Just saying ‘ it will last my time’. Not even willing to want to see the truth, not even realising that her children and grandchildren also want to live a free life. I wish to hear from all people, all ages that they stand up for truth and freedom. And just small things like paying with cash can have great effect. Feel and hear you’re own questions and stay curious and seeking for truth or something close to that. 🙏🏼✨🌸
My sentiments exactly🙏🏽 For so long I have felt alone in my thinking and being. We need to start thinking critically about the world we live in and the systems at play🌟✊🏽🌟
So very thankful for you Dr. Peterson. I have improved in my career, mental health, and developed a real hunger for learning and reading in no small part because of you. I can speak for many young men when I say, I am thankful to learn from you, and thankful God put you on this earth.
I’m a woman and I consider Jordan Peterson to be the father I wish I had had. I’m so grateful that he shares his wisdom and knowledge with the world and it makes me very hopeful to know many other people respect him and improve their lives by his work as well.
Powerful people want to control you by using your emotion against you. Don’t let them make you angry, or you may respond in the wrong way and give them what they want. Wwjd? Strength comes from Truth. God bless ya
I have anxiety working from home constant fear I’ll be fired and be homeless despite having $5 years worth of savings I know what I have to do but anxiety is holding me back such to the point that my basic human functions give me anxiety I shake, can’t eat, can’t sleep 😴
@@quarantinekitchen6909 In order to grow as people and live a truly authentic life we have to face our fears. We have to go right towards them despite our fears. Especially when those fears are abstract. I hope things will get better for you and you find the strength to make the decision that's more congruent with your ideal path.
"them". We're all triggered. Lets not stoke flames, everyone is sovereign, just forgotten we are not beholden to speak to eachother except the contracts we consciously agree upon. Daring to be different in unspoken conversation doesnt have to be a horrible experience.
I have to say, WWJD has got to be one of the worst pieces of advice I've ever heard when it comes to survival. When it comes to what you're talking about - not succumbing. Jesus let said powerful people torture and crucify him without lifting a finger. I don't think it's apt in this case 🤷🏻♂️ Turning the other cheek will get you killed or hurt in many cases. It will often destroy you in every way. In fact very rarely does turning the other cheek work out well in this world, unfortunately. We often have to fight for what's ours just to keep others from taking it. Even for our own body and mind we often have to take a stand. Without a certain fight in us we will often be nothing but victims.
JP touched on importance of apprenticeship, which now seems something of a bygone era. Once upon a time, as a young kid in New Zealand, I was an apprentice myself. For the first year or so, I did little else but sweep the floor, make coffee, and hand tools to the tradesmen. Yeah, and I also fell for the "go get me a left-handed screwdriver" trick! So why should I have subjected myself to that? At that time, it was a very normal thing to do. Authority was not a dirty word, and respect was something that had to be earned, not demanded. It was as simple as that. In retrospect, 2 things stand out for me: No.1: As an apprentice, I was reminded daily of my place within the group, which was at the lowest rung on the ladder. I was subjected to jokes and had to do menial tasks, which was all "part of the game", or initiation into the "club", if you will. I knew this to be the way things were. No. 2: It provided me with a real sense of belonging to the group. Even though I was the youngest, I was 100% part of the team. Of that, I never had any doubt. Those men had been apprentices themselves, so they were not bullying me, but at the same time, they would make it VERY clear if I was out of line, or made really dumb mistakes. Feeling like you're "part of the family" gave me great pride and motivation, and even now, 46 years later, I'm still thankful.
Thanks for this important discussion. Psychologist from Ireland. . Totalitarianism is alive and kicking here. One has to hide they have a Christian faith here in order to get a job. Particularly as a psychologist. It's appalling what's happening here too.
I am inspired by this conversation. I have been attempting to live my life without lying for the last 5 years. Everyday my life gets better in some way because of it or at the least it doesnt get worse....
Absolutely. The whole paradigm of life changes when we refuse to accept/ comply with a lie. Truth is the freedom we breathe to live a whole complete life. Lies ARE the currency of the enemy. They lead to slavery and oppression. Look around... this is the Great Awakening. We see the deception now. I refuse to comply with a lie.
This was such a great interview,not just questioning why things are they way they are,but what to do about it and why it's happened. We all are in need of answers to bring clarity to the chaos around us thank you both.
Dr Peterson - your point starting from 43:30, has been an incredibly poignant one for my life as I have heard you mention it before in many of your talks. I too had been stuck in a job that was causing me a lot of pain for the last 2 years (due to stress, separation from family due to location, abusive colleagues). I lacked confidence to even think of trying something new. Since hearing you speak on how remaining in this kind of situation is essentially causing more damage/risk in the long term (an excess of order as in your latest book) I was inspired to apply to new roles and embrace positive chaos. six months later was able to move on to a new company and feel a new motivation to pursue a meaningful and fulfilling work life. Thank you for all the work you do Dr, I can say for sure I am one life you have touched
Live not by lies is such an amazing book. I have it to someone once I finished it. He loved it so much and now has more people reading it. God bless Rod Dreher.
I am so grateful to listen to two conscious people, you give me hope and confirmation that my observations are not fiction even if it sometimes feel that. It feels what is happening in the world is like living with a psychopath parent that gaslight you all the time . Your conversation is healing for me 🙏🏼💎💙
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn is my favorite author. All he said, all he did, and all he sacrificed is truly incredible. He is a hero and a true inspiration to me. "It is not enough to stand up for truth, for truth you must sit in jail!" -quote from Gulag Archipelago book 1
Well spoken by Rod Dreher in every way. The way that Christians avoid conflict at all costs in this day and age is, I think, deplorable... Understandable, but still deplorable.
Been a follower since 2016 & while I’ve had my disagreements, Dr. Peterson and his guests always teach me something. This interview brought me to the realization that there are 3 types of human beings; those who deny God, those who love God, and those who want to be God. It is the latter who cannot “coexist” with neither God nor man, and it is for this reason God Himself only deems them worthy of serving as fuel for hell’s eternal fire; everyone else is worthy of redemption. No human being has the authority to decide what true morality is. You can develop a mental construct of it based on societal & religious values, and you can fathom all kinds of ways of getting others to conform to your personal construct, but the second you start thinking the world would be a better place if forced to adhere to your ideas, you’re a psychopath. We should not tolerate these people in government, society, or religion. It should not be taboo to speak your opinion boldly (no matter how ridiculous), what should be taboo is speaking & acting viciously about how to defeat & punish those who disagree with you. Especially if you’re a politician. This world has many little wanna-be gods slithering on their bellies nipping at everyone’s heels, the only thing needed to silence them are enough people willing to use their heels for stomping rather than running away in fear of such hideous, though hysterically fragile & highly flammable, creatures. Thank you as always Dr. P!
"No human being has the authority to decide what true morality is"... for themselves they certainly do and we all deep inside know exactly what that is if you care to seek it. There is a concept called personal "responsibility" (free will if you will) and while you can try and deny, be in wilful blindness or say no one can say what it is, true morality (the good) is inherent in each of us thanks to Father. Unless, of course, you are truly insane and don't know the difference.
@@keenanlarsen1639 My friend you saying that means nothing the very fact you saw this comment and your immediate reaction was to take that one line and confess your contrary opinion shows your whole heart is denying when the point of the comment wasn't even highlighting that. Every atheist is a denier and don't forget Lukewarm people are what kills society and why Jesus says he will spit you out of his mouth.
I read the Gulag books when I was very young and they made a lasting impression on me - I seriously have always been expecting those jackboots, I unconsciously produce scenarios all the time that put me in the position of 'helpless' victim but realise it is quite realistic that there is always a degree of hostility around us, whether from individuals, state laws, dishonest practices... or worse.
He looks so well… I don’t know about anyone else, but I feel such a heartwarming pleasure and happiness to see him like this again. I cannot wait to see him in September!
"No more Jordan Peterson!" I said to myself when I got this recommendation. 9 hours later I'm still listening to it on loop - this is another great one!
I’ve just recently read Rod Dreher’s book, and was profoundly moved by it. I’ve never considered myself a conservative (in the past I was anything but), so I was a bit worried about reading a book written by the editor of “The American Conservative.” But after reading the whole thing, I had to admit to myself that I didn’t actually disagree with a single thing he said. I hope that the book turns out to be overly alarmist, and that we look back from the future and see that the comparisons to totalitarianism were an exaggeration. But I’ve already encountered the “accusations of wrongthink” in my own career, from upper management at well-known companies. I think that Dreher is right to be sounding the alarm, and that we would be wise to listen and respond.
We are in totalitarianism. I know because my husband and I switched our vote from Dem to Trump in 2020 and we lost friends and family over that. People have been totally captured and free thinking is not allowed. We got yelled at, ignored, and totally rejected. Just because we had a political change. Having lived in locked down LA where we were locked down for 18 months, I assure you that parts of America are nearly completely there. Not only because the state mandated these restrictions but because the citizens help enforce them. That’s when you know it’s bad. Thankfully we left LA before the city council passed vax mandates. Having majored in STEM, I understand what shortcuts they took in accelerating this vaccine and I was NOT going to take it. This was not a political issue for me. It was purely scientific but we lost family over this too. My own mother would not stop bothering me about getting it until I told her that her insistence on believing the media and the government made her no different from the N Koreans she so often criticized. She thankfully stopped after that. I’m not sure where you live but it’s absolutely 1000% in places like Los Angeles. There are a few people here and there who are against it but my guess is most people have moved away that are. This is not an over exaggeration. Having lived there and experienced it, I never want to go back again. I don’t care which side is authoritarian, I’m not okay with it. It’s why I was a lefty for so long because the religious right in the 90s was so terrible. Well these woke leftists are them but worse because they have institutional power. I will add that we are the only people we personally know that have switched. It seems that it is a lot rarer to embrace truth and reject tribalism than one thinks. That is the power of totalitarianism, the human need to be a part of a group. People will commit atrocities to stay in the in-group. We are already here.
Wow! When he said near the beginning about how this elderly lady said she recognized similarities between where she came from and here, ( regarding being afraid to speak) that just gave me chills man! That is frightening.
Our Church had several young men baptized and as I approached them I told them to rise up and be what God created them to be. No one knows how many women have said that they yearn for these kind of men of God. MAY GOD BLESS YOU DR. PETERSON...
Jordan, my Great Grandfather was Kasper Beck. He immigrated to Canada to Rural Saskatchewan and built a sizeable farm (23 quarters or so) He had 22 Kids I think. In the early 50's the Government decided he need to PAY his fair share of Taxes. Tommy Douglas and Emmet Hall were his attorneys. There are a few articles in Mcleans Magazine (I have copies) with my young mother sitting on the Farm House porch from the early 1950's. The government was EXACTLY what you described at 20:14 Great Grandfather ended up taking his own life because he could not understand what he was doing wrong. THe government Forced him to surrender his livelihood exactly how they are forcing businesses to close today. I will never forget how my Grandfather was treated, how his farm was broken up and the family divided by Government officials. I am ready for a fight. ALSO: There was a small production play in the 80's in Saskatoon called "Jacob Kepp" based on my Great Grandfathers struggle.
This is a result of God being almost non-existent in government. If our leaders can't set the right example, what hope have we got except to await God's awful wrath upon modern Sodom and Gomorrah. In the meantime we need to continue praying for those in leadership, that they realise their lifespans are solely determined by God and repent.
These interchanges that Jordan engages hosts and engage in are so grippingly relevant and really some of the most important discussions that need to be had - period. I’m so grateful for you helping me to better understand what humility actually means through responsibility of my self under Jehovah God 🙏🏾
I’ve been thinking a lot lately about “left” vs “right” and “traditional” vs “progressive”, in the realms of politics, economics and religion. And realised that I've often felt uneasy (and unsafe) publicly challenging any particular doctrine or idea from either camp. Because doctrines from either side are usually both diametrically opposed, yet, at the same time, self-righteous and opponent-vilifying. And I think, where do I fit? And I’m beginning to accept that I am not wholly right or wholly left (or wholly liberal or conservative). I don't have to be a sheep that blindly follows all of the doctrines of one camp or the other. And then stay silent for fear of being cancelled or vilified by either side. Instead, I can accept and be grateful that I grew up with alternative worldviews. At home, I learnt a traditional conservative worldview. At school, and work, and through media, I learnt a progressive worldview. And I can accept and be grateful, that unlike the unwitting sheep, I don’t have to cancel the right, nor the write off the left. Instead, I can adopt the mature, effortful, discerning, and, above all, courageous approach of thinking for myself and talking freely with others.
Well said Laurence. I'm a gay man and am very familiar with the conservative world view due to my past church going. I'm very uncomfortable with the polarisation of opinions and demonisation of opponents. The thing is, how do we deal with such entrenched, opposing ideas? I mean, I'm very glad to be able to have a civil partnership and live my life freely; but I'm also appalled at the totalitarian nature of some radical left/liberal activists.
Fight for your dreams during any existential crisis by any civil, meaningful, and inspired means nessessary! Never lose that abilty to feel. Thank you JP, with love. And may God bless you and your efforts.
This was amazing! I am reading “Live Not by Lies” right now and I have hoped that Jordan and Rod would have a conversation. And Dr. Peterson smiled a lot. I loved that too.
I’m reading the Gulag Archipelago at the moment thanks to your recommendation. I’d never heard of it before I started watching your lectures. It’s quite the tour de force, and I’ve been really moved by it.
That is no surprise, I suppose. The man who wrote it, Solzhenitsyn, lived one of the harshest lives ever documented. I always remember him whenever I feel like whining and feeling sorry for myself.
"We didn't love freedom enough." - A. Solzhenitsyn Outside the Bible, that is the most profound string of six words I have ever read, and the Gulag Archepelago perhaps the most profound book written in the 20th century I have ever heard of.
Wow wow wow!!!! This is so interesting. I’ve been a Christian all my life. I understand what you are saying. Could you please continue this conversation. You are just getting started.
Thank you Dr. Peterson, with people such as you self adding your voice to the constant barrage, that we seem to be subjected to on a daily basis, in many ways it turns their volume down. Please keep it up and thank you for having the courage to stand up and be counted.
A brilliant conversation between two great minds and even more brilliant the fact that these two great minds are bringing God into the conversation. Trusting in God, believing in God keeps our shadow self in check !
That passing comment by Jordan about how we tend to brush off the motivations of geniuses because they are usually disturbing, is quite revealing and true. A poignant point.
This is one of the most important videos that Dr Peterson has delivered on a subject of awareness of the times we live now. It strikes home with me, because I am one that lived through all this situations, the guest is talking about. Share it. Hopefully will help westerners better understand what’s happening in our countries nowadays.
The first person Solzhenitsyn wanted to talk to was my uncle, Bob Conquest- as according to Solzhenitsyn, he was the only one that got the numbers right. I’m so proud of the work he did exposing true communism.
@@ANonymous-mo6xp thank you. He’s never celebrated like he should be and I never comment about him- but on this I will. He was a wonderful, noble man very seldom found in modern times. I loved to hear his story- soft spoken and kind :)
Many Marxists deny his writings. I've discussed him a self proclaimed Communist and they say the gulags were just regular prisons like the west has and his writings are exaggerated. It's disturbing the denial.
Incredibly important discussion. To know that Eastern Europeans are aware of what is happening to our country gives me hope. They’ve been down this road and have experienced the consequences, and hopefully their message will break through. Wonderful discussion. Thank you, both. God bless you.
The first half of this discussion was spot on - a life of lies can't lead to happiness. And then, halfway, both sides agree to just abandon the human aspiration for happiness! Could there be a bigger lie? We are all searching for happiness from the moment we're born, but life is about realizing how to gain true happiness. True happiness isn't found in comfort or routine. It is found in meaning, gratitude and personal growth. JBP is attempting to substitute this basic truth with this concept of "adventure" that has no inherent value. That itself is a lie.
"Happiness as an aim is for narcissistic three year olds.." That line, has to be one of the most profound statements I've heard. A world of wisdom captured in nothing more than a catchy one liner. It doesn't get any better than that.
Happiness is the only reason humans do anything. It is the only thing that motivates. If you are doing something, anything, it can only be because you think that thing will make you happy immediately or in the future in some way...
@@m.d.d.k.7136 Personally I don't see this. Perhaps the first half of life this was how I looked at the world (and how it caused unnecessary suffering...) Now, the majority of my actions are ment for others, close ones, even still not in the hopes of bringing them "happiness", but a fair chance in life at least. To be strong and robust, to face struggle and grow from it. There is an expected award in all that, but it's not happiness. Happiness to me comes unexpected, in the moment, unplanned for. Often it arises in the most unlikely situations, especially when contrasted with hardships. True grit and struggle, for something beyond one's self, there happiness emerge its strongest. Though never as an aim. Always unexpected. And never as a sought after reward but a welcomed side effect. The Buddhist tradition can offer some guidance here, as they say that life is suffering. Its built into the very fabric of existence. Aim at something away from it and it will consume us, accept and fully embrace it and it will become beautiful. That kind of happiness is a far cry from the happiness we want even before the journey has begun, set as an aim.
@@JackVogel2024 Thanks for the response. Jack, I ask you this: why do you wish to confront pain? Why do you wish to have suffering become beautiful? Saying something is beautiful is meaningless in and of itself. Why do you care about beauty? Why do you care about helping others? The ultimate reason is because you are going to be happy as a result of beauty, or someone else will. There are different kinds of happiness. You can have superficial happiness, or the kind that is deep and abiding. Aristotle would describe that as Eudemonia, the kind of happiness that does not pass away, and will not disappear with misfortune. Jordan Peterson is certainly not on board with the Buddhist understanding of life. His whole understanding of how meaning works and interacts with humans directly contradicts the precepts of Buddhism. That may seem like a bit of a tangent, but it is relevant because an argument from Buddhism cannot be used to support Peterson's position, if Buddhism contradicts his presuppositions. We are seeking for not superficial happiness, but happiness that is unwavering and deep. Just because there are shallow kinds, does not mean there is not a deep kind. If I suffer through something, it can only be because I think that suffering will end, and I will have peace and fulfillment on the other end. That I can experience happiness, after the suffering.
@@m.d.d.k.7136 Great reply 🙂 I agree with you, probably the definitions that differ in some sense. Happiness as an aim does not work, in my experience. When I merge with suffering, happiness becomes a possibility. Long term, short term, momentarily, I don't know. It just happens. It doesn't when I aim for it, and that's kind of the point here. What ever idea of happiness I have at the start of something, will be charred when reached, and negative feelings of disappointment, bitterness and anger will more likely have the upper hand at this point. Happiness as an aim seems childish and narcissistic, as he pointed out. That aside, can I do something without expecting happiness by the end of it? This I know to be true. My own being can be full of stress, anxiety and sorrow, the very opposites of happiness, while still feeling content because of some mindful actions done in favor of something other than me. Is that a reward in some sense? Yes. Is it happiness? No I dunno, a bitter sweet feeling of higher being and purpose perhaps. Nothing like the naive and limitless happiness experienced sometimes as a child, or the happiness modern society portraits as "the ultimate goal" and the one Peterson is referring to. The greatest reward for pushing through grueling experiences and committing to complete self sacrifice, would be something quite other than happiness. A feeling of ease and liberation, as a result of giving up on my own selfish pursuits and giving it all to something else. It's beautiful, it's sad and it's sweet. Whatever I'd call this feeling, I'd put it higher than happiness. And, Peterson probably differ in many ways compared to Buddhism. I don't see that he does in this case though. For me personally, any idea is a part of something larger, never complete in itself. Two ideologies can contradict each other in some ways, and overlap in others. Now, overlapping ideas are the easy part, picking the best ideas out of the contradicting ones is the real challenge 🙂 Hope I'm not coming off as rude or something like it. Great stuff sharing deep thoughts and ideas like this, even if we perhaps disagree on some key point!
Jordan is the perfect example of an educated person, being knowledgeable! Many, MANY people think just cause there educated they are knowledgeable. Not always true. Jordan is simply that great!! Thank you for another great video.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. Once again another excellent discussion. Yes, as Christian communities we need to prepare for future strife. Looking forward to your next show.
I know what you mean. Been finding myself censoring what I put out there as of late. In certain regards it’s a bit pointless jumping in the thick of it with people. Really gotta get down to the level of others for a bit so you’re not just wasting a means to an end.
In my sixty-four years of life (thus far) I have learned to have faith that God has the answer to any question I might have. It might not come as quickly as I would prefer, but experience has taught me that He will give rest to my soul. Whether I find the answer I am seeking or not, I can find my eventual peace in Him. As I listened to this encouraging, inspirational and illuminating conversation between the two of you, my spirit found peace hearing you verbalize some of the very concerns that I couldn't seem to find the words for. Just knowing that there are others out there who understand my heart and mind and what seems, for some, to be complexities they have yet to discover. brings me such a sense of relief that it is too difficult to put into words. Thank you for the love and gifts each of you and your families bring for the good of our Nation and World. Knowing that we have good people willing to fight for Truth, such as the two of you, adds to my confidence that Good will overcome Evil. I am SO thankful to add you to my list of Heroes willing to add their intelligence, wisdom and strong and confident voices to save our society and the world that will, one day, belong to my children and grandchildren for their Stewardship. Long after my husband and I have departed this earth. our loved ones will remain. God's speed to you both and all those who are joined in our battle for the soul of our society.🙏💕 "Be the Change You Want to See In The World." ~ Gandhi
The only thing God really wants from us is to love what’s right with all of our heart soul and might, and love our neighbors the same as we love ourselves. To forgive and to live in the Truth at all times. God bless
Jesus didn't say we should love one another as we love ourselves. He was explaining that the (current and previous) laws and the Prophets was based on the those two great commandments. However, Christ did give a final commandment (John 13:30) that we love one another even as He loved us. For some strange reason this last commandment from Jesus is barely mentioned among "Christians"; yet is vital to the very act of being Christian and following Christ. I'm sure when compared; the act of loving others as one's self is extremely limited vs loving others as Christ loved us.
I am compelled to say, JP this discussion was an absolute honor and privilege to listen to. Every word uttered made absolute perfect sense in that it gave purpose and meaning(truth) behind them. At various parts I had STOP and wipe away tears in agreement to such profound Truths and Revelation. Various aspects came to mind of both warning and antiquity... "Be in the World NOT of it"- Jesus and also the historical fact that Abraham(Father in Hebrew) was the spiritual leader and head Priest of Babylon(Before Judaism)and became discontented with what he experienced in a Hedonistic social system and thus denounced himself and went out from Babylon into the desert with a handful who agreed with him into what we refer to as the Tent of Abraham. There is where he reconciled and established a relationship with the Creator as ONE and NOT Multiple GODS or The GOD of Israel. The key element that was held for thousands of years until recent modern times was the secret teachings of Kabbalah.(Jewish Mystisism) JP, It would be Epic if even for a learning discussion and your own curiousity for you to look into the likes of Psychologist Dr.Michael Laitman.(Israel) who seems could shed some Light on much of which you speak of.
I have anxiety working from home constant fear I’ll be fired and be homeless despite having $5 years worth of savings I know what I have to do but anxiety is holding me back such to the point that my basic human functions give me anxiety I shake, can’t eat, can’t sleep 😴 Advice for me -?
I read it as recommended by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying on their podcast DarkHorse. Very emotive for my young spirit disillusioned by my generation and the state of the world. I feel hopeful when I listen to these discussions and read books that educate and aim to inspire youth. I wasn't taught about Soviet Russia in school nor hardly any European history for that matter. I'm grateful for people like Rod Dreher and JBP who offer both context and insight of history and make crucial connections to modern society.
@@jerusalem4492 I'm very encouraged to hear of young people like you who still care about such things, the world belongs to you and the fight ahead is a difficult one. I'm almost to the point of leaving this world but in the meantime I will do what I can to leave it a better place for you. Peace and blessings.
@@amyrobinson8598 By your comments here I can tell that you have already done much to leave a positive impact in the world -- thank you for that. I hope to be able to do the same.
I can name a few politicians who need to listen to this discussion. I believed my grandmother's stories about what the wars were like for her in Briton and Canada. She told me also that the 1929 crash would happen again and it will be worse. I am currently watching what she told me play out in my lifetime! I am afraid, and not afraid to say it. I worry about the children that will have to rebuild our world.
I'm only 30 mins in but what I'm hearing is so spot on by both speakers. A brilliant talk held by two competent respectable members of society. It is restoring my faith in humanity once again. Thank you for your efforts. Even if people have forgotten their morals and their responsibilities, you both pick up the slack. My prayers are with you both
"Life IS pain. Anyone who says differently is selling something." -The Dread Pirate Roberts, "The Princess Bride" Sure, it's a silly movie, but it has a lot of truth in it. The older I get, the more I realize just how true that line is.
As an avid listener and follower of both the Daily Wire and yourself, joining forces with them was a brilliant move! To be in pursuit of the the truth is to be in pursuit of God. To be in pursuit of God is to be in pursuit of the truth. The acquisition of which can only be obtained through him...
I truly enjoy these discussions. The lectures you do are amazing but two brilliant minds are better than one in most cases. Truly fascinating. Keep fighting the good fight. I’m a Christian so to me nothing is more important than truth. I believe it’s the only thing that can set us free. I believe this is Jesus’s greatest gift. Himself
I feel so grateful for your strongness and straightforwardness in your fight against the challenging cultural decline in the west moved forward and promoted by a deeply contradictory, actually nihilistic elite and its folowers. Please keep it up and remain in good health, dear Prof. Peterson! - Man! You're such a brilliant role model, a truthful and humble knight using the intellectual talents like a servant loyal to the undeniable real ground and origin of all existene. By your authenticity, determination and humility youiire granted with even more strength on the heavy battles to come. Best wishes and greetings from Germany.
Somehow, Dr Jordan Peterson found his way to my TH-cam fed. Considering the upheaval my spirit and soul have been in as of late, it's must have been divine intervention. ✨️
The senior recruitment manager at Weta in NZ has a B.A in Womens studies and is exactly as you describe. I worked there and saw Lenin propaganda in the common kitchen on occasion, which was binned immediately. I left my job in part because of exactly what you discuss. This talk really is reassuring, it's been rough. Thanks 🙏
Might as well call that degree a AW (aggressively woke) degree in BS. You can get deeper intellectual thinking from a junior high school kid in the chess club.
I could cry with gratitude for this conversation - I was born and grew up in socialist Hungary. But, thanks to my parents, I knew that the world around me was built on lies upon lies. Now at 69, I could either go into hysterics or steely, resilient silence when I look at the Western world around me. I am following Christ as best as I can.Thank you, gentlemen!
Virginia Prodan, a Romanian escapee and Christian, wrote Saving My Assassin. There are a few interviews with her on TH-cam, too. Love her story and yours sounds very interesting and important too. I wish people like you had bigger platforms. But I think a lot of people - even politically like-minded - are in denial. 🙉🙈
You’re more American than many born here. Glad you made it out!!! ❤️
@@lisaharris452 - the lies: compelled speech, censored reality, watch who you are talking to and self-censor what you are saying, compelled emotions, deny even to yourself what you are seeing, there is a political elite and they are always right, do not think for yourself - Big Brother will tell you what you think, use the propaganda slogans to get on in the world, life is awful but the Party is saving you, decent human beings who tell the truth must be humiliated and persecuted, while conformists and turn-coats will be elevated, ugly and cheap is beautiful, church is bad- Jesus never existed - God is a fairy tale, the Red Army were our Saviour and we are grateful for ever (in reality they raped every woman they could lay their hands on) etc...etc.... the message was covert mostly but relentless and on all fronts. Can YOU see any similarities??
What makes me hysterical? This milieu poisoned people's mind, my society. I have been permanently scarred by the schizophrenic existence. I was not allowed to voice any of my own feelings about it for fear of retribution. I witnessed as a young child people completely broken by the system. Human wrecks....People were still executed in early 1960s for their participation in the 1956 revolution. Often you just wanted to scream and go berserk but instead you had to show that you are okay with it all....Why am I hysterical? Do I need to explain it?
My media diet? I have no media diet!!! For goodness' sake - this is Life, not a research study! I refuse to be counted as a "consumer " of anything - including media. I am a person, not a specimen. That is exactly how we were treated - not like humans with our unique individualities, our richness and struggles that deserve respect, only as objects that can be eliminated, squashed into neat categories and spied upon.
I live in the UK.
@@lisaharris452 who is in charge of my thoughts? I am in charge of sorting and selecting from many random thoughts (from jibberish to spoonfed slogans and creative excursions). The process is mostly unconscious, so hypnotic messages from media float in easily as ready-made thoughts...- I do not understand your question. Thoughts pop up (as you see in silent meditation)on their own accord, but I can choose which one I believe in, which one to use to construct my understanding of the world around me, which ones prove to be true to reality, which ones I choose to follow for moral reasons. So am I in charge? Thoughts are like a strange lake with all kinds of fish popping up - I am the one to choose from them those I want to cook my dinner with. In a totalitarian regime, I am made to eat the rotten or poisonous fish others already put on my fishing rod.
Feelings, in a similar way, need sifting and time to settle and cristalise. This is a murky area, you can carry other people's feelings convinced that they are yours, you can be tricked into an emotional response (see all adverts! and media presentations.) Perfect level for manipulation as emotions can be over exaggerated, suggested and influenced by society...... so am I in charge? Yes, but only if I am trained and practised in mindfulness meditation or silent contemplation and no if I lack the necessary self-awareness.
Who is in charge of my speech? Do you ever just blabber out something that you should not have said? Not say anything when you should have? If TH-cam or my workplace or the government decides that I should not have written these lines, I may have just ignored your questions. A sticky tape over my mouth placed by someone else. Speech is public and therefore up for scrutiny and judgement. The great question is who scrutinises and with what intentions. For an honest debate, for clarification or for catching me out for punishment? (If I know that my speech would be hurting someone then, for moral consideration, I may hold back (but that should remain my own personal decision and not a mob rule or government dictate) and still I may consider how to put the message across in a more acceptable way.) The idea is :no free speech - no free minds. To insure that the doctrine works, you might be declared to need medication and psychiatric surveillance.
Surely you did not expect such a long and non-committal answer, but there you are. No easy tick-box answers.
Who makes me worry that I will be persecuted if I speak my mind? The question is false. It is not a who question, it is a how question. Deplatforming, silencing emails from HR ( notice the name : human RESOURCES), a boss, a snitching colleague, a student in the academic world, a mob in front of a hall, a slandering article, a social media campaign to fire you, to defame you, to intimidate you. In a word : ostracising. The who does it - is irrelevant.
Are there laws against what I want to say? Hate speech. Mis/disinformation. Social media "guidelines". No appeal - instant verdict.
Hope you don't mind if I do not respond to the other questions. If you are part of society today, you know the answers. If you do not know the answers - my reply will fall on fallow ground.
....and by the way, the surveillance and monitoring is not done by a "who" - it remains faceless behind technology or done by snitchers.
@@kbeetles We need people like you now more than ever. Thank you for your awesome answer. 👏
Praise be the Most High, for wisdom given. 🛐🕊️
Dear Dr. Peterson. Thank you for still making your content available for free. I don't live in the USA and simply cannot afford a subscription to DW+ because of the exchange rate ($1 = R17). It would be a great loss of wisdom, knowledge & insight to us "less fortunate" folks who still have a desire to improve not only our own miserable lives but also to help those around us.
Once again, I thank you
a fellow south african
Thank you for this post. It touched my heart ❤️ God bless you 🙏
Hah! In my country the exchange rate is at $1 = INR 75. Hopefully in coming 5-6 years i can afford it.
@@AcidifiedMammoth wow that doesn’t seem real! So sorry it is that high. Maybe you and some friends could gather enough money to pay for one month’s worth and y’all could watch all of the movies they have available together. You can pay month by month at the Daily Wire so you can cancel at the end of the month. It is like paying for a movie ticket and you get several movies to watch. They will keep making movies. So maybe twice a year y’all could come up with the money for a movie and watch every night a new movie! Bless y’all. Remember God multiplies your efforts.
Always a lovely sight to see fellow South Africans around these parts. I aswell am very much in the same predicament, being an unemployed graduate, but I'm going to start saving up and hopefully soon might be able to afford at least one month's fee, it's definitely going to be an uphill battle (for sure..😅) but I think having access to Daily Wire plus is so worth it brother.
Absolutely worth listening to. This is a discussion we all need to be having.
Not just a discussion. The churches in particular should be acting.
@@lisaharris452 I don't think ANYONE has proposed that.
some of the interruptions are painful but beyond that, agreed
YEAH, too bad half of the Convo is locked behind a paywall!
Dude it's a basic conversation 😒 most people know this is going on and why bit it's dammed if you do dammed if you don't. Meaning if you stand up you will be crushed by cancel culture and if you don't stand up it will steam roll over you n e ways.
The last two years have made it crystal clear that I’d rather stand with people who are very different from me in every way who have courage than with simpering conformists to tyranny. Thank you so much for this conversation. I’m sharing it with many
It is incredibly hard to have put out so much content and to still be having such valuable and timely discussions. Truly impressive. Thank you.
I feel like Jordan will not back down no matter what. He is a true hero as he exemplifies that ideal.
“Badge of honor!” 👍
Petersons contribution to our society wont be fully realized until historians are looking back at what went wrong and those who had the courage to rise and speak against it eloquently and intelligently.
He is what we need
Not backing down is not a virtue in itself. I love Peterson but he says some really silly stuff sometimes just because it sound profound. His Jungian interpretation of scripture is particularly nauseating.
@@timofyraskolnikov7070 why?
I feel privileged to listen to this discourse by two beautiful gentlemen.
100% on point. God saved me 30 years ago from addiction. Yet the church I found were those self centered about getting all the materialistic windfalls the west back then offered. I needed to know Jesus for He was my salvation, so after 10 years left the church. Went to college to help woman on the streets get help. Believe me being labelled a drug addict 40 years ago was just like being a leper. I studied all the catholic fathers, most martyred and those of early century who found the narrow way. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and those who went to nazi camps. Finally found a group at 60 who know the real price to follow Christ. My faith at 61 and health is poor will be tested, I've know were this was evolving in Canada. History repeats, may God help us.
You sound like a beautiful person, and I’m so happy you found a strong faith community. Your journey into the history of the church (the people) brought something to mind I have just been realizing.
The church is not bound by time or space. It includes every Christian from now back to Christ’s day-and before, really, as it seems some encountered Him in prophecy and perhaps other forms long before His birth. All of us around the globe, some famous-some infamous at times-and most unknown to history or in current times. There is a lot of strength in that.
Good to meet you, sister! 😊
God bless you.
Seems to me that you’ve found the greatest treasure. Wishing you all the best 🙏
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I don’t have good intentions anymore
God bless you, we know in the end heaven awaits
100% agree with everything you are saying. I was born in Ukraine in the 80's, it was USSR. and left when I was a toddler. My grandmother told me crazy stories about life under communism. luckily l never got to actually experience it, but I could really understand the difference between free world and complete totalitarianism. Up to 2020 I so proud to be a Canadian, but current government (that I unfortunately voted for) and recent political events made me see how slowly we are as a nation, getting dragged down the wrong path. Unfortunately for someone that was born and raised in Canada, the situation is not as clear as to someone that understands what totalitarianism really is.
Glad your eyes are open now!
BC Chinada is now trash.
from Hanoi, Vietnam and will immgrate to Canada soon.
Justin Trudeau tricked a lot of people with his nice sounding promises and convincing words. I too believed him in the beginning, and in the beginning I didn't see what was happening. We are awake now, though, and as long as we stay awake and alert he won't trick us again. Waking up to his lies and deceptive, misleading words and information about covid made me see some other lies that 'they' (the government, the WEF, and the media) are trying to get us to believe, like with "climate change". They have been fear mongering about that lie for quite awhile, but I realize now that these "green" changes are neither "green" nor beneficial to us, or even to the environment. The destruction these "green" plans will have if implemented will be far greater and more catastrophic than if we just did nothing. 'They' are trying to trick us into taking part in our own destruction. These plans aren't "pro-environment", they are anti-human. I have woken up, and staying awake is more important than ever right now. Sticking together and not letting them create hate and division amongst us is also important. We are far stronger than them when we are united, and that's why 'they' want to scare us, create division amongst us, cause us to be hateful to one another, and want us to fight amongst ourselves over small differences instead of fighting against them over their lies and deceit. We just cannot let them succeed. I am very glad that my sister woke me up, and I'm glad that more and more people are waking up every day.
I listened to this whole interview, finished it at the daily wire, I loved every piece of it. I must say that I can’t thank you enough, because you have opened my eyes in a way that makes understand the importance of religion in our lives. I wish every single person can listen to what you have to say, many will literally run back to church, if they found out why is it so important. I can’t thank you enough. God bless you 🙏🏻
I ran back to Jesus also. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
@@brucegoodie since the Jews consistently score 1.5-2 Standard deviation points above all other races in IQ, maybe you'd like to rethink your own ignorant, racist insult?
As an Australian we’ve been faced with understanding what we could lose by standing up to the government and while it was scary, it was also very freeing. Even the idea of solitary confinement was exciting to allow me to truly delve into the spiritual and meditation. Nothing so far has come up, but I am so much more at peace, and always ready for the fight and the struggle.
If the Collective was an individual it would be "scheduled" i.e.
Locked away under the mental health act. Complying our way out of Tyranny is futile.
I hear ya.
A fellow Aussie.
@350hqtonner the number of people I had regarded as intelligent referring to him as “daddy Dan” makes me want to 🤮.
@@georgiawilksch5708
Ah . The "Govern me harder, daddy"; crowd.
Those who look to a politician as a father figure deserve what they get.
Trouble is ,enabling the tyrant drags the rest of us into the hellpit of their infantile fantasies.
Brainless eejits !
@Pharisee Spotter
Rightly so, however - minus the innocence and any naivety.
@@williamsharp2532
Already there .
Stay frosty champ !
Thank you so much Dr. Peterson !!! 🙏🏻
I lived in communist Romania 37 years ago and I fled illegally from there in 1985 when I was 31 years old (not many girls had the courage to do it, if they caught me I could be killed… or prison etc)
What was happening in this moment reminds me of the past… somewhere now I regret the gesture I made because from here I can no longer run away… the ocean is hard to pass on foot… !!! 😞
I Have a lot to say but I'll stop here !!! Too bad the people here don't understand and don't see what is being prepared for them !!!🥲
I think it’s interesting that Dreher could see the trajectory of what’s happening, yet let his TDS stop him from supporting an administration that would have stopped or at least slowed it down bc Trump triggered memories of his childhood bullies. Goes to show just seeing the danger isn’t enough. Can’t let feelings cloud good judgment. I recommend his books though. Well worth the read!
Virginia Prodan, also a Romanian escapee, wrote Saving My Assassin. There are a few interviews with her on TH-cam, too. Love her story and yours sounds very interesting and important too. You’re more American than many born here. Glad you made it out!!! ❤️
Please ask the Lord Jesus to bless you with boldness and speak truth to lies.
Oh we see it
You risked everything once for freedom. You know more than most how much its worth. Perhaps you will be called again to do so. It’s true, there’s nowhere to go from here. We tell the truth and fight back or become slaves.
The US has a different history than USSR…freedom is in the DNA of this nation. People such as yourself, who risked everything for freedom, are the reason freedom ever existed here. There are many of us who feel this way. We will be victorious.
Thank you for your story ' love to here More ... But Yes ' I see the Change from The Demonic Liberal Regime want ' American people to depend on Government hand outs , in exchange to give UP our Constitution -Freedoms and Rights . Never shall I do that and I'm not along many many Millions of America's do not agree what is taking place . we are prepared .
"The great saints are those who have overcome themselves, and maybe even given their lives for the truth." Rod Dreher
Great quote!
You don’t have to become a Saint to contract your future self to receive the benefit of you being yourself until then. Crypto is the only tool that provides ourselves this ability. Look at Richard Heart for that, no need for a new old Messiah. Software, immutable, censorship resistant is what’s empowering your descendants from your own evil. Not any other foul
And, remember kids it was only after William Wallace’s wife was taken did he enter a hut, and re-emerged as an English soldier. Wink-wink nudge-nudge😁
@@gae_mon sorry but I don't understand you
It doesn't get any better than this. I've waited years to hear JP and RD to have this conversation. This is the collaboration of genius and courage. A message desperately needing to be heard - and listened to - by everyone in the West. It's not too late, but it is fifteen minutes to midnight.
Who knew a discourse about such things could actually leave you feeling encouraged to go make yourself a better human. God bless these men
I’m so thankful I came across this discussion. I’ve been noticing the same things occurring in our society and everyone around looks at me like I’m chicken little saying the sky is falling. By the time most people notice how our freedoms are being stripped away, it will be too late.
oh my god, people are so ignorant to it. they pretend everything is gonna be alright even though they have no idea
If that happens, then it is what we deserve. It means we just didn’t convince enough people. It means prepare and move somewhere amongst like minded ppl as a back up. Where they’ll try to fight the tyranny and not sell you out to the state.
There’s only so much you can do. Other ppl have to want to seek the information themselves.
We're already captive and no one seems to care as long as they're fed and entertained. As I've noticed lately, trying to live on my own terms. Aside from being taxed to death, you can't do a thing without government permission. Where you can put your home, what kind of home, drive a car, even catch a fish.. all with govt approval. They're so big and bloated now, and some people will even support these rules, for safety! But usually no one lifts a finger until it affects them personally.
@@umiluv 👌🏼 fairytales never last forever
Deep down I think it's less that they don't believe you and more that they don't want it to be true. People work their 9-5 job, drink their Starbuck, live on a credit card, watch their favorite streaming service and repeat. People like to live in a bubble and act like the world isn't full of problems. It's amazing how many of my family members or friends say "I dont want to talk about it" or "can we switch topics" when I start discussing politics. It's not that they deny what I'm saying they just don't want it to be true so they block it out.
I live on a farm in the middle of Texas. Happy yes but so glad that people like you are doing what u do. Meaning …talking about things that matter and can truly help people. It helps me through me day week month. Because I live in a more secluded life than most but still want to better myself and my home and community to do better. We can always do better!!!
I’m 60 and I’ve thought my whole life I’m crazy and yet these two are telling me exactly what I’ve already felt and believed as long as I can remember!
Maybe these two are crazy too
I think one of the most fascinating things I’ve learned from Peterson was in regards to lying. I never thought it possible to be able to deceive yourself until I read his book. Also the fact that no one gets away with anything is something you begin to observe within your own life when you actually pay attention.
@ghjefffh hhinkclel only your opinion. Opinions are like rectums, people have them.
I can relate to this. I suffered burn accident stuck for 1 year healing. It's one of the richest experience in my life. I felt how my mom and my wife along with my whole family would care for me.
That experience thought me how to care.
Brilliant engrossing conversation, thank you both for your free and truthful speech 🙏
This is such a great conversation. Thank you so much for still making these available on TH-cam.
It's basic bitch conversion we all know what's going on but people can't do anything about it unless 80% of people are on the somewhat same page in life. Meaning stand up for what you believe and cancel culture will get you and if you do nothing you get steam rolled n e ways.
"The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie."
~Alexandre Solzhenitsyn~
I am a 71 year old man who is actually crying with gratitude! Our generation created the conditions for inevitable catastrophe unless we speak up as these gentlemen have done. More important than that is that we live moral lives. These men are calling me to repentance and I am searching my heart and soul. What can I do to atone for my sins? To seek an live the truth as best I can.
Bless you ❤
We will all bear that burden in our own time. Repent. Atone. Pray. Speak the truth. What more can one do? God bless u.
Thank you for sharing. And bless you. Just this, speaking out and realising for me is already so much. My mum, your age is just in freeze and not accepting the truth. Just saying ‘ it will last my time’. Not even willing to want to see the truth, not even realising that her children and grandchildren also want to live a free life. I wish to hear from all people, all ages that they stand up for truth and freedom.
And just small things like paying with cash can have great effect.
Feel and hear you’re own questions and stay curious and seeking for truth or something close to that. 🙏🏼✨🌸
You cannot atone for your sin, Christ Jesus already made atonement, “It is finished.” Go and be a servant like Jesus.
Relax, it’ll all be over soon. If ya’ll hadn’t have messed things up, some other group or generation would have.
My sentiments exactly🙏🏽 For so long I have felt alone in my thinking and being. We need to start thinking critically about the world we live in and the systems at play🌟✊🏽🌟
So very thankful for you Dr. Peterson. I have improved in my career, mental health, and developed a real hunger for learning and reading in no small part because of you. I can speak for many young men when I say, I am thankful to learn from you, and thankful God put you on this earth.
I’m a woman and I consider Jordan Peterson to be the father I wish I had had. I’m so grateful that he shares his wisdom and knowledge with the world and it makes me very hopeful to know many other people respect him and improve their lives by his work as well.
yes
Powerful people want to control you by using your emotion against you. Don’t let them make you angry, or you may respond in the wrong way and give them what they want. Wwjd? Strength comes from Truth. God bless ya
I have anxiety working from home constant fear I’ll be fired and be homeless despite having $5 years worth of savings
I know what I have to do but anxiety is holding me back such to the point that my basic human functions give me anxiety I shake, can’t eat, can’t sleep 😴
@@quarantinekitchen6909 In order to grow as people and live a truly authentic life we have to face our fears. We have to go right towards them despite our fears. Especially when those fears are abstract. I hope things will get better for you and you find the strength to make the decision that's more congruent with your ideal path.
@@quarantinekitchen6909 let go of the fear. God will take care of you, but you have to be able to see. You can’t see if you live in fear
"them". We're all triggered. Lets not stoke flames, everyone is sovereign, just forgotten we are not beholden to speak to eachother except the contracts we consciously agree upon. Daring to be different in unspoken conversation doesnt have to be a horrible experience.
I have to say, WWJD has got to be one of the worst pieces of advice I've ever heard when it comes to survival. When it comes to what you're talking about - not succumbing. Jesus let said powerful people torture and crucify him without lifting a finger. I don't think it's apt in this case 🤷🏻♂️ Turning the other cheek will get you killed or hurt in many cases. It will often destroy you in every way. In fact very rarely does turning the other cheek work out well in this world, unfortunately. We often have to fight for what's ours just to keep others from taking it. Even for our own body and mind we often have to take a stand. Without a certain fight in us we will often be nothing but victims.
JP touched on importance of apprenticeship, which now seems something of a bygone era. Once upon a time, as a young kid in New Zealand, I was an apprentice myself. For the first year or so, I did little else but sweep the floor, make coffee, and hand tools to the tradesmen. Yeah, and I also fell for the "go get me a left-handed screwdriver" trick! So why should I have subjected myself to that? At that time, it was a very normal thing to do. Authority was not a dirty word, and respect was something that had to be earned, not demanded. It was as simple as that.
In retrospect, 2 things stand out for me:
No.1: As an apprentice, I was reminded daily of my place within the group, which was at the lowest rung on the ladder. I was subjected to jokes and had to do menial tasks, which was all "part of the game", or initiation into the "club", if you will. I knew this to be the way things were.
No. 2: It provided me with a real sense of belonging to the group. Even though I was the youngest, I was 100% part of the team. Of that, I never had any doubt.
Those men had been apprentices themselves, so they were not bullying me, but at the same time, they would make it VERY clear if I was out of line, or made really dumb mistakes. Feeling like you're "part of the family" gave me great pride and motivation, and even now, 46 years later, I'm still thankful.
Live not by lies, is one of the most eye opening books of our time.
Agreed, it’s a must read!
Thanks for this important discussion. Psychologist from Ireland. . Totalitarianism is alive and kicking here. One has to hide they have a Christian faith here in order to get a job. Particularly as a psychologist. It's appalling what's happening here too.
I am inspired by this conversation. I have been attempting to live my life without lying for the last 5 years. Everyday my life gets better in some way because of it or at the least it doesnt get worse....
That’s fantastic. I am trying to do the same but early days
Absolutely. The whole paradigm of life changes when we refuse to accept/ comply with a lie. Truth is the freedom we breathe to live a whole complete life. Lies ARE the currency of the enemy. They lead to slavery and oppression. Look around... this is the Great Awakening. We see the deception now. I refuse to comply with a lie.
The Way, The Truth, The Life
This was such a great interview,not just questioning why things are they way they are,but what to do about it and why it's happened. We all are in need of answers to bring clarity to the chaos around us thank you both.
@@Swerzel_Morzencule and you are in all caps
@@Swerzel_Morzencule where is your question mark? Why are all your words in capital letters?
"We?" Speak for yourself.
@sel724 yeah the way they put it, it is nothing but an idea.
There are no answers. The answers exist within the problems and we will always create problems.
Dr Peterson - your point starting from 43:30, has been an incredibly poignant one for my life as I have heard you mention it before in many of your talks. I too had been stuck in a job that was causing me a lot of pain for the last 2 years (due to stress, separation from family due to location, abusive colleagues). I lacked confidence to even think of trying something new. Since hearing you speak on how remaining in this kind of situation is essentially causing more damage/risk in the long term (an excess of order as in your latest book) I was inspired to apply to new roles and embrace positive chaos. six months later was able to move on to a new company and feel a new motivation to pursue a meaningful and fulfilling work life.
Thank you for all the work you do Dr, I can say for sure I am one life you have touched
Live not by lies is such an amazing book. I have it to someone once I finished it. He loved it so much and now has more people reading it. God bless Rod Dreher.
I got a tremendous amount out of this conversation, very grateful that I took the time to listen. Thanks.
I am so grateful to listen to two conscious people, you give me hope and confirmation that my observations are not fiction even if it sometimes feel that. It feels what is happening in the world is like living with a psychopath parent that gaslight you all the time . Your conversation is healing for me 🙏🏼💎💙
Yeah most people are dead boring 💤 right or are they?
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn is my favorite author. All he said, all he did, and all he sacrificed is truly incredible. He is a hero and a true inspiration to me.
"It is not enough to stand up for truth, for truth you must sit in jail!" -quote from Gulag Archipelago book 1
Dreher’s book is a powerful read that will leave one in tears and awe. Great interview!
Well spoken by Rod Dreher in every way. The way that Christians avoid conflict at all costs in this day and age is, I think, deplorable... Understandable, but still deplorable.
Have you read the Benedict option? That's pretty much what he was advocating in that book.
@@lydiamalone1859 I haven't. Thank you.🙂
Wow, this is really an eye opener. Thanks to you Jordan for doing this work of shedding light to the world.
Been a follower since 2016 & while I’ve had my disagreements, Dr. Peterson and his guests always teach me something. This interview brought me to the realization that there are 3 types of human beings; those who deny God, those who love God, and those who want to be God. It is the latter who cannot “coexist” with neither God nor man, and it is for this reason God Himself only deems them worthy of serving as fuel for hell’s eternal fire; everyone else is worthy of redemption. No human being has the authority to decide what true morality is. You can develop a mental construct of it based on societal & religious values, and you can fathom all kinds of ways of getting others to conform to your personal construct, but the second you start thinking the world would be a better place if forced to adhere to your ideas, you’re a psychopath. We should not tolerate these people in government, society, or religion. It should not be taboo to speak your opinion boldly (no matter how ridiculous), what should be taboo is speaking & acting viciously about how to defeat & punish those who disagree with you. Especially if you’re a politician. This world has many little wanna-be gods slithering on their bellies nipping at everyone’s heels, the only thing needed to silence them are enough people willing to use their heels for stomping rather than running away in fear of such hideous, though hysterically fragile & highly flammable, creatures. Thank you as always Dr. P!
I would respectfully disagree. I neither deny nor love God. I don't want to be God either. I just want to live my life.
"No human being has the authority to decide what true morality is"... for themselves they certainly do and we all deep inside know exactly what that is if you care to seek it. There is a concept called personal "responsibility" (free will if you will) and while you can try and deny, be in wilful blindness or say no one can say what it is, true morality (the good) is inherent in each of us thanks to Father. Unless, of course, you are truly insane and don't know the difference.
I’ve only known of him for about 3 years, now but this man has saved my life🙏🏼
@@keenanlarsen1639 My friend you saying that means nothing the very fact you saw this comment and your immediate reaction was to take that one line and confess your contrary opinion shows your whole heart is denying when the point of the comment wasn't even highlighting that. Every atheist is a denier and don't forget Lukewarm people are what kills society and why Jesus says he will spit you out of his mouth.
@@keenanlarsen1639 Wanting to do your own thing with disregard for God is exactly that. You want to be your own god.
One of the best thinkers I love to watch and listen to
I read the Gulag books when I was very young and they made a lasting impression on me
- I seriously have always been expecting those jackboots, I unconsciously produce scenarios
all the time that put me in the position of 'helpless' victim but realise it is quite realistic that
there is always a degree of hostility around us, whether from individuals, state laws, dishonest
practices... or worse.
He looks so well… I don’t know about anyone else, but I feel such a heartwarming pleasure and happiness to see him like this again. I cannot wait to see him in September!
Once again, a thought provoking podcast, filled with truths and salvation for us, the masses.
"No more Jordan Peterson!" I said to myself when I got this recommendation. 9 hours later I'm still listening to it on loop - this is another great one!
Fantastic conversation. Hopefully, and God willing, we’ll be able to find our way out of this ideological mess
I’ve just recently read Rod Dreher’s book, and was profoundly moved by it. I’ve never considered myself a conservative (in the past I was anything but), so I was a bit worried about reading a book written by the editor of “The American Conservative.” But after reading the whole thing, I had to admit to myself that I didn’t actually disagree with a single thing he said.
I hope that the book turns out to be overly alarmist, and that we look back from the future and see that the comparisons to totalitarianism were an exaggeration. But I’ve already encountered the “accusations of wrongthink” in my own career, from upper management at well-known companies. I think that Dreher is right to be sounding the alarm, and that we would be wise to listen and respond.
We are in totalitarianism. I know because my husband and I switched our vote from Dem to Trump in 2020 and we lost friends and family over that. People have been totally captured and free thinking is not allowed. We got yelled at, ignored, and totally rejected. Just because we had a political change.
Having lived in locked down LA where we were locked down for 18 months, I assure you that parts of America are nearly completely there. Not only because the state mandated these restrictions but because the citizens help enforce them. That’s when you know it’s bad.
Thankfully we left LA before the city council passed vax mandates. Having majored in STEM, I understand what shortcuts they took in accelerating this vaccine and I was NOT going to take it. This was not a political issue for me. It was purely scientific but we lost family over this too. My own mother would not stop bothering me about getting it until I told her that her insistence on believing the media and the government made her no different from the N Koreans she so often criticized. She thankfully stopped after that.
I’m not sure where you live but it’s absolutely 1000% in places like Los Angeles. There are a few people here and there who are against it but my guess is most people have moved away that are.
This is not an over exaggeration. Having lived there and experienced it, I never want to go back again. I don’t care which side is authoritarian, I’m not okay with it. It’s why I was a lefty for so long because the religious right in the 90s was so terrible. Well these woke leftists are them but worse because they have institutional power.
I will add that we are the only people we personally know that have switched. It seems that it is a lot rarer to embrace truth and reject tribalism than one thinks. That is the power of totalitarianism, the human need to be a part of a group. People will commit atrocities to stay in the in-group.
We are already here.
Wow! When he said near the beginning about how this elderly lady said she recognized similarities between where she came from and here, ( regarding being afraid to speak) that just gave me chills man! That is frightening.
Our Church had several young men baptized and as I approached them I told them to rise up and be what God created them to be. No one knows how many women have said that they yearn for these kind of men of God. MAY GOD BLESS YOU DR. PETERSON...
Jordan, my Great Grandfather was Kasper Beck. He immigrated to Canada to Rural Saskatchewan and built a sizeable farm (23 quarters or so) He had 22 Kids I think. In the early 50's the Government decided he need to PAY his fair share of Taxes. Tommy Douglas and Emmet Hall were his attorneys. There are a few articles in Mcleans Magazine (I have copies) with my young mother sitting on the Farm House porch from the early 1950's. The government was EXACTLY what you described at 20:14
Great Grandfather ended up taking his own life because he could not understand what he was doing wrong. THe government Forced him to surrender his livelihood exactly how they are forcing businesses to close today. I will never forget how my Grandfather was treated, how his farm was broken up and the family divided by Government officials. I am ready for a fight. ALSO: There was a small production play in the 80's in Saskatoon called "Jacob Kepp" based on my Great Grandfathers struggle.
This is a result of God being almost non-existent in government. If our leaders can't set the right example, what hope have we got except to await God's awful wrath upon modern Sodom and Gomorrah. In the meantime we need to continue praying for those in leadership, that they realise their lifespans are solely determined by God and repent.
Do you feel a duty to fight corruption in his memory? I hope so.
@@majorpuggington Locked and loaded!
I’m so sorry about this. What a heart wrenching account.
Thanks for sharing that…I’ll be looking it up for sure.
Dr. Jordan you have indeed been blessed by God in many many ways. Im glad, and am sure I could speak for many, that He did so.
I've been waiting for this conversation! Thank you both for your apparently fearless pursuit of the truth!
These interchanges that Jordan engages hosts and engage in are so grippingly relevant and really some of the most important discussions that need to be had - period. I’m so grateful for you helping me to better understand what humility actually means through responsibility of my self under Jehovah God 🙏🏾
I’ve been thinking a lot lately about “left” vs “right” and “traditional” vs “progressive”, in the realms of politics, economics and religion. And realised that I've often felt uneasy (and unsafe) publicly challenging any particular doctrine or idea from either camp. Because doctrines from either side are usually both diametrically opposed, yet, at the same time, self-righteous and opponent-vilifying. And I think, where do I fit? And I’m beginning to accept that I am not wholly right or wholly left (or wholly liberal or conservative). I don't have to be a sheep that blindly follows all of the doctrines of one camp or the other. And then stay silent for fear of being cancelled or vilified by either side. Instead, I can accept and be grateful that I grew up with alternative worldviews. At home, I learnt a traditional conservative worldview. At school, and work, and through media, I learnt a progressive worldview. And I can accept and be grateful, that unlike the unwitting sheep, I don’t have to cancel the right, nor the write off the left. Instead, I can adopt the mature, effortful, discerning, and, above all, courageous approach of thinking for myself and talking freely with others.
Well said Laurence. I'm a gay man and am very familiar with the conservative world view due to my past church going. I'm very uncomfortable with the polarisation of opinions and demonisation of opponents. The thing is, how do we deal with such entrenched, opposing ideas? I mean, I'm very glad to be able to have a civil partnership and live my life freely; but I'm also appalled at the totalitarian nature of some radical left/liberal activists.
Love this talk. So enlightening!
A great conversation! Thank you both for letting us participate. Good luck to both of you.
Fight for your dreams during any existential crisis by any civil, meaningful, and inspired means nessessary! Never lose that abilty to feel. Thank you JP, with love. And may God bless you and your efforts.
This was amazing!
I am reading “Live Not by Lies” right now and I have hoped that Jordan and Rod would have a conversation.
And Dr. Peterson smiled a lot. I loved that too.
I’m reading the Gulag Archipelago at the moment thanks to your recommendation. I’d never heard of it before I started watching your lectures. It’s quite the tour de force, and I’ve been really moved by it.
That is no surprise, I suppose. The man who wrote it, Solzhenitsyn, lived one of the harshest lives ever documented. I always remember him whenever I feel like whining and feeling sorry for myself.
Required reading for all people who care about being free.....
"We didn't love freedom enough."
- A. Solzhenitsyn
Outside the Bible, that is the most profound string of six words I have ever read, and the Gulag Archepelago perhaps the most profound book written in the 20th century I have ever heard of.
Wow wow wow!!!! This is so interesting. I’ve been a Christian all my life. I understand what you are saying. Could you please continue this conversation. You are just getting started.
Eye-opening, thought-provoking, inspiring, convicting. This interview has lingered with me for days. Will listen again.
You two are clean water for my soul. Lighthouse in the dark-dark night.
The last 30 minutes of this interview on Daily Wire + were strengthening for my faith! I really enjoyed the discussion of faith and beauty!
Thank you Dr. Peterson, with people such as you self adding your voice to the constant barrage, that we seem to be subjected to on a daily basis, in many ways it turns their volume down. Please keep it up and thank you for having the courage to stand up and be counted.
To live not by lies, you must live with real courage.
A brilliant conversation between two great minds and even more brilliant the fact that these two great minds are bringing God into the conversation. Trusting in God, believing in God keeps our shadow self in check !
That passing comment by Jordan about how we tend to brush off the motivations of geniuses because they are usually disturbing, is quite revealing and true. A poignant point.
This is one of the most important videos that Dr Peterson has delivered on a subject of awareness of the times we live now. It strikes home with me, because I am one that lived through all this situations, the guest is talking about. Share it. Hopefully will help westerners better understand what’s happening in our countries nowadays.
The first person Solzhenitsyn wanted to talk to was my uncle, Bob Conquest- as according to Solzhenitsyn, he was the only one that got the numbers right. I’m so proud of the work he did exposing true communism.
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@@user-uc9ny4nk3v lmao
Your uncle was a great fighter against the scourge that is Marxism.
@@ANonymous-mo6xp thank you. He’s never celebrated like he should be and I never comment about him- but on this I will. He was a wonderful, noble man very seldom found in modern times. I loved to hear his story- soft spoken and kind :)
Many Marxists deny his writings. I've discussed him a self proclaimed Communist and they say the gulags were just regular prisons like the west has and his writings are exaggerated. It's disturbing the denial.
Wonderful, timely conversation. thank you men
Incredibly important discussion. To know that Eastern Europeans are aware of what is happening to our country gives me hope. They’ve been down this road and have experienced the consequences, and hopefully their message will break through. Wonderful discussion. Thank you, both. God bless you.
The first half of this discussion was spot on - a life of lies can't lead to happiness. And then, halfway, both sides agree to just abandon the human aspiration for happiness! Could there be a bigger lie? We are all searching for happiness from the moment we're born, but life is about realizing how to gain true happiness. True happiness isn't found in comfort or routine. It is found in meaning, gratitude and personal growth. JBP is attempting to substitute this basic truth with this concept of "adventure" that has no inherent value. That itself is a lie.
"Happiness as an aim is for narcissistic three year olds.."
That line, has to be one of the most profound statements I've heard.
A world of wisdom captured in nothing more than a catchy one liner.
It doesn't get any better than that.
Happiness is the only reason humans do anything. It is the only thing that motivates. If you are doing something, anything, it can only be because you think that thing will make you happy immediately or in the future in some way...
@@m.d.d.k.7136 Personally I don't see this.
Perhaps the first half of life this was how I looked at the world (and how it caused unnecessary suffering...)
Now, the majority of my actions are ment for others, close ones, even still not in the hopes of bringing them "happiness", but a fair chance in life at least.
To be strong and robust, to face struggle and grow from it.
There is an expected award in all that, but it's not happiness.
Happiness to me comes unexpected, in the moment, unplanned for.
Often it arises in the most unlikely situations, especially when contrasted with hardships.
True grit and struggle, for something beyond one's self, there happiness emerge its strongest.
Though never as an aim.
Always unexpected.
And never as a sought after reward but a welcomed side effect.
The Buddhist tradition can offer some guidance here, as they say that life is suffering.
Its built into the very fabric of existence.
Aim at something away from it and it will consume us, accept and fully embrace it and it will become beautiful.
That kind of happiness is a far cry from the happiness we want even before the journey has begun, set as an aim.
@@JackVogel2024 Thanks for the response. Jack, I ask you this: why do you wish to confront pain? Why do you wish to have suffering become beautiful? Saying something is beautiful is meaningless in and of itself. Why do you care about beauty? Why do you care about helping others?
The ultimate reason is because you are going to be happy as a result of beauty, or someone else will. There are different kinds of happiness. You can have superficial happiness, or the kind that is deep and abiding. Aristotle would describe that as Eudemonia, the kind of happiness that does not pass away, and will not disappear with misfortune. Jordan Peterson is certainly not on board with the Buddhist understanding of life. His whole understanding of how meaning works and interacts with humans directly contradicts the precepts of Buddhism. That may seem like a bit of a tangent, but it is relevant because an argument from Buddhism cannot be used to support Peterson's position, if Buddhism contradicts his presuppositions.
We are seeking for not superficial happiness, but happiness that is unwavering and deep. Just because there are shallow kinds, does not mean there is not a deep kind. If I suffer through something, it can only be because I think that suffering will end, and I will have peace and fulfillment on the other end. That I can experience happiness, after the suffering.
@@m.d.d.k.7136 Great reply 🙂
I agree with you, probably the definitions that differ in some sense.
Happiness as an aim does not work, in my experience.
When I merge with suffering, happiness becomes a possibility.
Long term, short term, momentarily, I don't know. It just happens.
It doesn't when I aim for it, and that's kind of the point here.
What ever idea of happiness I have at the start of something, will be charred when reached, and negative feelings of disappointment, bitterness and anger will more likely have the upper hand at this point.
Happiness as an aim seems childish and narcissistic, as he pointed out.
That aside, can I do something without expecting happiness by the end of it?
This I know to be true.
My own being can be full of stress, anxiety and sorrow, the very opposites of happiness, while still feeling content because of some mindful actions done in favor of something other than me.
Is that a reward in some sense? Yes.
Is it happiness? No
I dunno, a bitter sweet feeling of higher being and purpose perhaps.
Nothing like the naive and limitless happiness experienced sometimes as a child, or the happiness modern society portraits as "the ultimate goal" and the one Peterson is referring to.
The greatest reward for pushing through grueling experiences and committing to complete self sacrifice, would be something quite other than happiness.
A feeling of ease and liberation, as a result of giving up on my own selfish pursuits and giving it all to something else.
It's beautiful, it's sad and it's sweet.
Whatever I'd call this feeling, I'd put it higher than happiness.
And, Peterson probably differ in many ways compared to Buddhism. I don't see that he does in this case though.
For me personally, any idea is a part of something larger, never complete in itself.
Two ideologies can contradict each other in some ways, and overlap in others.
Now, overlapping ideas are the easy part, picking the best ideas out of the contradicting ones is the real challenge 🙂
Hope I'm not coming off as rude or something like it.
Great stuff sharing deep thoughts and ideas like this, even if we perhaps disagree on some key point!
Jordan is the perfect example of an educated person, being knowledgeable!
Many, MANY people think just cause there educated they are knowledgeable.
Not always true.
Jordan is simply that great!!
Thank you for another great video.
Knowledgeable and wise!
Acquired knowledge and wisdom are two different things.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. Once again another excellent discussion. Yes, as Christian communities we need to prepare for future strife. Looking forward to your next show.
I got chills at least a dozen times. These messages are urgent for humanity.
I know what you mean. Been finding myself censoring what I put out there as of late. In certain regards it’s a bit pointless jumping in the thick of it with people. Really gotta get down to the level of others for a bit so you’re not just wasting a means to an end.
In my sixty-four years of life (thus far) I have learned to have faith that God has the answer to any question I might have. It might not come as quickly as I would prefer, but experience has taught me that He will give rest to my soul. Whether I find the answer I am seeking or not, I can find my eventual peace in Him.
As I listened to this encouraging, inspirational and illuminating conversation between the two of you, my spirit found peace hearing you verbalize some of the very concerns that I couldn't seem to find the words for. Just knowing that there are others out there who understand my heart and mind and what seems, for some, to be complexities they have yet to discover. brings me such a sense of relief that it is too difficult to put into words.
Thank you for the love and gifts each of you and your families bring for the good of our Nation and World.
Knowing that we have good people willing to fight for Truth, such as the two of you, adds to my confidence that Good will overcome Evil.
I am SO thankful to add you to my list of Heroes willing to add their intelligence, wisdom and strong and confident voices to save our society and the world that will, one day, belong to my children and grandchildren for their Stewardship. Long after my husband and I have departed this earth. our loved ones will remain.
God's speed to you both and all those who are joined in our battle for the soul of our society.🙏💕
"Be the Change You Want to See In The World." ~ Gandhi
This conversation is worth its weight in GOLD! Thank you both for sharing and providing free access to such needed education!
The only thing God really wants from us is to love what’s right with all of our heart soul and might, and love our neighbors the same as we love ourselves. To forgive and to live in the Truth at all times. God bless
@@DigitalNomadOnFIRE oh and you don’t have to understand why God does what he does. This life is a blip, the next one is eternal
@@DigitalNomadOnFIRE every single thing about you is false. I'm sorry.
@@DigitalNomadOnFIRE atheism is cringe
@@DigitalNomadOnFIRE ah casting judgement over God?
Jesus didn't say we should love one another as we love ourselves. He was explaining that the (current and previous) laws and the Prophets was based on the those two great commandments. However, Christ did give a final commandment (John 13:30) that we love one another even as He loved us.
For some strange reason this last commandment from Jesus is barely mentioned among "Christians"; yet is vital to the very act of being Christian and following Christ. I'm sure when compared; the act of loving others as one's self is extremely limited vs loving others as Christ loved us.
I’ve said it before, about Dr Peterson and his interviewees, and I’ll say it again - Brillant leaders. God is guiding Jordan.
The fact that we're even asking the question of the gender of a female human is a tall tale sign that something is seriously wrong with the world!
It seems we have lost the advanture needed to focus on things beyond ourselves - it’s one of the multiple factors.
I am grateful and thankful for these discussions. Many thanks to you honourable men.
I am compelled to say, JP this discussion was an absolute honor and privilege to listen to. Every word uttered made absolute perfect sense in that it gave purpose and meaning(truth) behind them. At various parts I had STOP and wipe away tears in agreement to such profound Truths and Revelation.
Various aspects came to mind of both warning and antiquity...
"Be in the World NOT of it"- Jesus
and also the historical fact that
Abraham(Father in Hebrew) was the spiritual leader and head Priest of Babylon(Before Judaism)and became discontented with what he experienced in a Hedonistic social system and thus denounced himself and went out from Babylon into the desert with a handful who agreed with him into what we refer to as the Tent of Abraham. There is where he reconciled and established a relationship with the Creator as ONE and NOT Multiple GODS or
The GOD of Israel. The key element that was held for thousands of years until recent modern times was the secret teachings of Kabbalah.(Jewish Mystisism)
JP, It would be Epic if even for a learning discussion and your own curiousity for you to look into the likes of Psychologist Dr.Michael Laitman.(Israel) who seems could shed some Light on much of which you speak of.
Thank you, Doctor Peterson. I hope you are able to bless us with your words of wisdom for decades to come.
I have anxiety working from home constant fear I’ll be fired and be homeless despite having $5 years worth of savings
I know what I have to do but anxiety is holding me back such to the point that my basic human functions give me anxiety I shake, can’t eat, can’t sleep 😴
Advice for me -?
Love this interview, Live Not By Lies is a fantastic book, should be ready by all young people in this country!!
Do you have pdf?
I read it as recommended by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying on their podcast DarkHorse. Very emotive for my young spirit disillusioned by my generation and the state of the world. I feel hopeful when I listen to these discussions and read books that educate and aim to inspire youth. I wasn't taught about Soviet Russia in school nor hardly any European history for that matter. I'm grateful for people like Rod Dreher and JBP who offer both context and insight of history and make crucial connections to modern society.
@@jerusalem4492 I'm very encouraged to hear of young people like you who still care about such things, the world belongs to you and the fight ahead is a difficult one. I'm almost to the point of leaving this world but in the meantime I will do what I can to leave it a better place for you. Peace and blessings.
@@jerusalem4492 BTW, love dark horse podcast, I think that may be where I heard of the book too.
@@amyrobinson8598 By your comments here I can tell that you have already done much to leave a positive impact in the world -- thank you for that. I hope to be able to do the same.
Incredible conversation. Thank you so much.
One of the most profound discussions I’ve heard Peterson involved in for a while. He was really on point here. 💯 I’ll be digesting this for a while. ✝
Best conversation in the past months ❤️
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I read Live Not By Lies when it came out and loved it. It was a real treat to see Rod Dreher interviewed by Dr. Peterson!
I can name a few politicians who need to listen to this discussion. I believed my grandmother's stories about what the wars were like for her in Briton and Canada. She told me also that the 1929 crash would happen again and it will be worse. I am currently watching what she told me play out in my lifetime! I am afraid, and not afraid to say it. I worry about the children that will have to rebuild our world.
We all can stand up,
I'm only 30 mins in but what I'm hearing is so spot on by both speakers. A brilliant talk held by two competent respectable members of society. It is restoring my faith in humanity once again. Thank you for your efforts. Even if people have forgotten their morals and their responsibilities, you both pick up the slack. My prayers are with you both
Wow, the production value has risen by orders of magnitude, love the new intro and lighting setup! Good job!
Glad you paid attention to the content.
@@berniemckenna9770 Content was thoughtful as always.
"Life IS pain. Anyone who says differently is selling something."
-The Dread Pirate Roberts, "The Princess Bride"
Sure, it's a silly movie, but it has a lot of truth in it. The older I get, the more I realize just how true that line is.
As an avid listener and follower of both the Daily Wire and yourself, joining forces with them was a brilliant move! To be in pursuit of the the truth is to be in pursuit of God. To be in pursuit of God is to be in pursuit of the truth. The acquisition of which can only be obtained through him...
Amen!
I truly enjoy these discussions. The lectures you do are amazing but two brilliant minds are better than one in most cases. Truly fascinating. Keep fighting the good fight. I’m a Christian so to me nothing is more important than truth. I believe it’s the only thing that can set us free. I believe this is Jesus’s greatest gift. Himself
First time I listen to a conversation until the end, this is to me one on the most relevant topic to discuss, thank you for this !
Cape Breton loves your work!
Thank you for all the great guests & conversations🇨🇦
I feel so grateful for your strongness and straightforwardness in your fight against the challenging cultural decline in the west moved forward and promoted by a deeply contradictory, actually nihilistic elite and its folowers. Please keep it up and remain in good health, dear Prof. Peterson!
- Man! You're such a brilliant role model, a truthful and humble knight using the intellectual talents like a servant loyal to the undeniable real ground and origin of all existene. By your authenticity, determination and humility youiire granted with even more strength on the heavy battles to come. Best wishes and greetings from Germany.
Somehow, Dr Jordan Peterson found his way to my TH-cam fed.
Considering the upheaval my spirit and soul have been in as of late, it's must have been divine intervention. ✨️
The senior recruitment manager at Weta in NZ has a B.A in Womens studies and is exactly as you describe. I worked there and saw Lenin propaganda in the common kitchen on occasion, which was binned immediately. I left my job in part because of exactly what you discuss. This talk really is reassuring, it's been rough. Thanks 🙏
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Might as well call that degree a AW (aggressively woke) degree in BS.
You can get deeper intellectual thinking from a junior high school kid in the chess club.