I feel /a little/ bad that I literally didnt finish the tutorial cave. I know how bad it is vicariously. But I couldn't even have faith that somewhere past the intro in the game there could be some good moments or quests or gameplay. In fact I got the exact opposite feeling. So I dipped immediately.
No. It's fundamentally a boring and shallow experience that lacks the charisma of past Bethesda experiences. They can alter it to persuade desperate players on the fringe but there's no long term appeal. I look forward to when this mess is behind us.
I think starfield is fun and deep. I've already put in 930 hours with many reasons to keep playing. It isn't a mess at all. Have some fun in your life.
Agreed there no hooks in the game for the standard gameplay. You could argue for base and ship building but that completely different genre than what was sold to us. The rest of the game is shallow and uninteresting with everything already explained there is no deeper level to immerse your self into.
@@kenpachiramasama1139 Is Sebastion Banks still alive? What is The Great Serpent? Who are the Creators? Where is the intelligent alien life? What is the true purpose of the Temples? What do you mean there is no deeper level? Base building and Ship building were core features shown in the gameplay demonstration for 2 years in a row. What the hell do you mean it's "Completely different than what was sold to us."?
In order no he is not alive unless he a star child(so in another universe), a hallucination(the founder literally said he saw it in bad jump), the unity is the creator or no answer will be given, there are no intelligent aliens in Starfield, temple are for becoming one with the unity(your transcending your universe). No where is in game is base building or ship building a mandatory action. It is fact just there as resource sick it not part of main gameplay loop was my point. I think you’re right in that at one point the game revolved around it for exploration but Bethesda did way with it because it was tedious and exploration sucks because of realism and procedural generation. So they went back to fallout 4 design.
@@lastdayer101 My comment reflected my experience and the vast majority of players agree. If you enjoyed it then you shouldn't need to defend your experience. Take care.
I don't understand how people had such hype and anticipation for Starfield. There were so many warning signs and red flags prior to release. Maybe people just saw what they wanted to see, wanted to believe the marketing, rather than the true horror that stood plainly in broad daylight.
Mechanics of BGS are so dated it’s kinda sad …I started playing FC 3 (2012 game) and that games mechanic shit all over that of Bethesda. The cutscenes, loading screens (lack there of), stealth, vehicles etc I can go on ….its sad bc I love Bethesda and I didn’t hate starfield per say but yea idk what yall think?
as long as you spend more time in the menu than playing the game, it will always be bad. It would have been way better if it took place in a single solar system with like 2-3 primary planets with more stuff to do on those maps.
Im just playing skyrim at the moment (first time, no mods), and having the same issue. Primarily managing my inventory. It is puzzling that lessons from there have not been learnt and applied here. At least that is something probably in reach of modders. Someone did write a pleasant mod for New Vegas that let you define loadouts.. I forget how it worked.
I havent played SF (tend to not even buy games until they are a bargain on Steam).. but I became fascinated by the (possibly cursed) game design problem of combining a space RPG with unlimited procedural worlds. Here is my wishlist (based on reviews) * *Starfield New Vegas:* Primarily, no unkillable NPCs, but also a handful of other choices that make it one of the best games for actual roleplay. * *Skyrim in space, IN SPACE!* Those procedural worlds may never deliver the handcrafted skyrim exploration experience, but a purely in-space map could. It would be technically fairly easy to be able to fly from 100km above any point of a planet to 100km above any other, around any other star with no loading screens. We can map skyrim concepts 1-1 onto this level. Eg mountain becomes nebula or pulsar that you can "climb" or avoid. Dragon becomes mysterious fleet. Bandits become pirates, You discover secret bases etc just like you would stumble across ancient temples, though this would involve a variety of sensors. The scale is huge, but so empty there would only be the same few hundred special handcrafted locations. * *Avoid instancing exact same locations... EVER!* Eg a procedural dungeon crawler mechanic, or just many more maps, or swapping out rooms and textures at least. Probably all of these. * *Deemphasise the main story* Eg have other ways of getting off the tutorial planet. Funky space wizard powers are just one thing you could pursue in a setting this vast. Where I see Starfield being able to shine is if it became more like the Traveller TTRPG basic rules and setting. A player campaign does not consist of a single main story but several adventures. So much could be plugged into this environment (Skyrim and every fallout could sit in hidden corners of it!) .. instead of a main story, maybe you could have several "endgame" quests dotted around, or getting to a certain stage in one of a variety of quests triggers the endgame scenario and gives an overall structure to the campaign.. Then when you replay with a different character it could be a very different game. Also, with so much content, it would be absolutely expected that your choices would cut you of from huge swathes of it, that would only be accessible with a different playthrough and character.
I liked the art direction and the amount of details. But I could not tolerate the strange writing and the obvious technical limitations that they did not work on. The engine can handle seamless loading of very large maps but due to using a less precise number format for the player and ship position (landing position sets the initial spawn coordinates) the game crashes if a player traverses too far from the origin. Over large distances cumulative rounding errors lead to the wrong position for objects and the player. Their solution were invisible borders. Many quests felt like being the delivery guy and had no real impact. The dialogue trees are narrow, funnelling you towards one intended path. It actively hurts the new game plus mechanic, where you could have more decisions that play out differently - increasing the appeal of replaying the game. I doubt that they will rework the quests because of the cost for new voice overs and most important - Bethesda does not see anything wrong with their games- So there is no incentive for them to improve.
I wish I shared your optimism, but I don't. I like Starfield, but for me it barely cleared the "like" bar. I don't have high hopes for it. I'm sure they will improve it, but I doubt it will be enough to make it great. The game did have potential, I can see it, but they played it too safe and weren't daring enough to dig deeper into the themes of the game. And the characters are so... bland. I doubt they're going to give Morgan a personality. I think the game should have taken place in less space (only 3-4 planetary systems) and I think it needed more characters/factions/locations. There is good content, but finding it is like looking for a needle in a hey stack of 1000 planets.
Oh I totally feel you. I wouldn't say that I'm optimistic about it either... More just not COMPLETELY ready to write it off lol. I agree with basically all of your points tho. The needle in a haystack is a perfect analogy for finding the good stuff in the game.
The lab mission sounds like the "effect and cause" mission in Titanfall 2. However, that's one of the best missions in any game I've ever played. You should give the game a try if you get a chance
I've heard others say that as well! Titanfall 2 is definitely high on my backlog list. Hopefully the lab mission is better implemented in that game lol
I tried it for a good 2 hours. It’s a good game. But it was annoying that you don’t regenerate health after dying. I was stuck in a situation where I can’t find any meds and there were a bunch of enemies and I just couldn’t progress no matter how much I tried.
They have a couple of gameplay features that need to be fixed or added like land vehicles on top of the story content to make it a comeback hope they do it but idk🤷
There were a number of things that I didn't like about this game and some things I did. One of the main things that I dislike though was the poor writing. The story was so bland and many times made no sense.
It'll be just like No Man's Sky. "Huh.. that's cool.." People will play a little while, visit a few planets, then realise how boring it actually all is, and stop. Procedurally generated worlds aren't fun. One finely hand-crafted world is way more interesting.
The story and characters were boring from the second i launched it up. I too eagerly waited 4 years to play SF, I have 15 hours at launch and have not gone back. Im just going to wait for Stalker 2.
No. You can't do a Skyrim/Fallout 4 type remake on it No Skyblivion for Starfield. No Fallout London for Starfield. Sorry but the game needs to be dumped on and yes it is bad game.
Star Citizen in Alpha is more than everything Starfield was ever promised to be. I feel really sorry for the people that went and bought new X's etc to play this pile.
I enjoyed my play through of Starfield, and got around 75hours out of it. Which I consider a decent enough return. No desire to go back in the short term, but I might try the XP. I think the main issues are 1. The commitment to the lore and design decisions made the worlds mostly generic. The crafted sections and quests are great, but the rest of the stuff is boring for the most part. (Compare this to Phantom Liberty which was created as this time, with a small but hyper detailed area/campaign) 2. The game engine is crap, and well past its use by date - poor graphics, facial animations and the loading screens are all symptoms of that. Starfield is a 7/10 game, not crap but not exceptional.
*Is there a setting to make the game smoother because in some places it runs very well but in outdoor areas like new atlants it runs very bad and when i run the fbs drops alot iam on xbox*
I would make sure you're in performance mode in the settings. Other than that, I think you're just at the mercy of the game. The more I played I did start to experience more frame issues.
I really hope that Bethesda works on this game. I bought it after the major patch and I love it. I do see a lot that could be better. And I hope that the Nexus modders continue to make it an even better game.
@@skyriminspace I saw the game try to make me complete it in the trolley problem way, but I could sense that there was something bigger at play. I found the secret 3rd ending on my own, and I think it's the best quest Bethesda has put in a game.
@@lastdayer101 i've heard about the secret third ending. Apparently it's possible to save everyone. I huess by bringing the engineer through to our own original dimension somehow. I am settled in my current ng+ dimension. Put down too many roots to ng+ again now!
I played Starfield. I boarded a huge ship, with military personnel on it. I slaughtered them all except the commanding officers who were invincible. Then I couldn’t commandeer the ship. SO… I uninstalled it. It’s not at all what was advertised to me.
I'm not sure what was advertised to you. All I got was Bethesda game in space out of the advertisement. That was all I cared to know about it in advance, the rest of the information can be discarded. I don't even get why people pay so much attention to ads. Ads are just shallow empty marketing and not just for this game, but for all products. Now, if you mean the Crimson Fleet questline, since you mentioned a huge ship with military personnel... 1. That's a class M ship that can't be comandeered, but many others can. 2. You will be able to kill them at the end of the Crimson Fleet questline, IF you side with them, instead of SysDef.
@@mattkaiser8984 I get what you're saying, but, to be honest, it seemed to me obvious there will always be limitations to the "do what you want to do". No game has absolute freedom, but it's true, Bethesda has this reputation of overpromising and underdelivering. It's part of why I don't care about the marketing/PR stuff. I base my decision whether or not to buy a game based on actual gameplay, not cherrypicked by Bethesda's marketing team, but seeing someone play the game for a while and deciding based on that.
The base game experience is pretty much 90% fixed for me with mods that were released on the first month of ck dropping. They allowed the game to be evaluated beyond its underwhelming mechanical aspects, and what I found was a pretty good game for my tastes hiding in its foundations. If bethesda plans to treat starfield as a sort of single player live service product going forwards, adding features constantly and releasing story dlcs in an yearly basis, then Im locked in for the long run.
I played this product for few hours... It's biggest disappointment ever. Story is a joke😂😂 it's insane to play through it... Side missions was a bit better but... NO
I just started playing again last week. The updates have definitely made the game better. I ran through the Ryujin missions this weekend and found it pretty compelling. There are still fundamental problems with the game design that hold it back. But I’m looking forward to seeing if they can turn it around at some point in the future, like No Man’s Sky. We shall see.
The biggest problem with starfield is that a household name game development studio with a couple of the most beloved franchises in it's roster, had the audacity to make a niche AF space game. If you're in the admittedly narrow target audience, starfield is despite all it's flaws, a blast. Hopefully when the major dlc begins to arrive & starts fleshing out the experience (as is the case with all Bethesda games), more players will get to experience what the seeming minority such as myself already do.
Nah man probably is it bad game narratively, gameplay, and immersion wise all the thing Bethesda are know for. Interestingly the best part of the game are base building and shipping build which game basically completely ignores. They were afraid to do anything really then make fallout 4 in space and it shows.
I hated it, to be honest. I hate running around in circles, so I had to look up a guide to find where I was supposed to go. I hate being in a labyrinth. The similar mission in Dishonored 2 was actually good. Way better.
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I feel /a little/ bad that I literally didnt finish the tutorial cave. I know how bad it is vicariously. But I couldn't even have faith that somewhere past the intro in the game there could be some good moments or quests or gameplay. In fact I got the exact opposite feeling. So I dipped immediately.
You know what sad is your not even wrong cinematically only the ending of game is close to cinema level they did in the tutorial cave.
No. It's fundamentally a boring and shallow experience that lacks the charisma of past Bethesda experiences. They can alter it to persuade desperate players on the fringe but there's no long term appeal. I look forward to when this mess is behind us.
I think starfield is fun and deep. I've already put in 930 hours with many reasons to keep playing. It isn't a mess at all. Have some fun in your life.
Agreed there no hooks in the game for the standard gameplay. You could argue for base and ship building but that completely different genre than what was sold to us. The rest of the game is shallow and uninteresting with everything already explained there is no deeper level to immerse your self into.
@@kenpachiramasama1139 Is Sebastion Banks still alive? What is The Great Serpent? Who are the Creators? Where is the intelligent alien life? What is the true purpose of the Temples?
What do you mean there is no deeper level? Base building and Ship building were core features shown in the gameplay demonstration for 2 years in a row. What the hell do you mean it's "Completely different than what was sold to us."?
In order no he is not alive unless he a star child(so in another universe), a hallucination(the founder literally said he saw it in bad jump), the unity is the creator or no answer will be given, there are no intelligent aliens in Starfield, temple are for becoming one with the unity(your transcending your universe). No where is in game is base building or ship building a mandatory action. It is fact just there as resource sick it not part of main gameplay loop was my point. I think you’re right in that at one point the game revolved around it for exploration but Bethesda did way with it because it was tedious and exploration sucks because of realism and procedural generation. So they went back to fallout 4 design.
@@lastdayer101 My comment reflected my experience and the vast majority of players agree. If you enjoyed it then you shouldn't need to defend your experience. Take care.
Yes (after 10 years)
I don't understand how people had such hype and anticipation for Starfield. There were so many warning signs and red flags prior to release. Maybe people just saw what they wanted to see, wanted to believe the marketing, rather than the true horror that stood plainly in broad daylight.
Whilst it's not the best game ever, it's not that bad.
Mechanics of BGS are so dated it’s kinda sad …I started playing FC 3 (2012 game) and that games mechanic shit all over that of Bethesda. The cutscenes, loading screens (lack there of), stealth, vehicles etc I can go on ….its sad bc I love Bethesda and I didn’t hate starfield per say but yea idk what yall think?
as long as you spend more time in the menu than playing the game, it will always be bad. It would have been way better if it took place in a single solar system with like 2-3 primary planets with more stuff to do on those maps.
Completely agree. The time in menus is egregious. It's made even worse by how cumbersome and bad the menus are.
Im just playing skyrim at the moment (first time, no mods), and having the same issue. Primarily managing my inventory. It is puzzling that lessons from there have not been learnt and applied here.
At least that is something probably in reach of modders. Someone did write a pleasant mod for New Vegas that let you define loadouts.. I forget how it worked.
I havent played SF (tend to not even buy games until they are a bargain on Steam).. but I became fascinated by the (possibly cursed) game design problem of combining a space RPG with unlimited procedural worlds. Here is my wishlist (based on reviews)
* *Starfield New Vegas:* Primarily, no unkillable NPCs, but also a handful of other choices that make it one of the best games for actual roleplay.
* *Skyrim in space, IN SPACE!* Those procedural worlds may never deliver the handcrafted skyrim exploration experience, but a purely in-space map could. It would be technically fairly easy to be able to fly from 100km above any point of a planet to 100km above any other, around any other star with no loading screens. We can map skyrim concepts 1-1 onto this level. Eg mountain becomes nebula or pulsar that you can "climb" or avoid. Dragon becomes mysterious fleet. Bandits become pirates, You discover secret bases etc just like you would stumble across ancient temples, though this would involve a variety of sensors. The scale is huge, but so empty there would only be the same few hundred special handcrafted locations.
* *Avoid instancing exact same locations... EVER!* Eg a procedural dungeon crawler mechanic, or just many more maps, or swapping out rooms and textures at least. Probably all of these.
* *Deemphasise the main story* Eg have other ways of getting off the tutorial planet. Funky space wizard powers are just one thing you could pursue in a setting this vast.
Where I see Starfield being able to shine is if it became more like the Traveller TTRPG basic rules and setting. A player campaign does not consist of a single main story but several adventures. So much could be plugged into this environment (Skyrim and every fallout could sit in hidden corners of it!) .. instead of a main story, maybe you could have several "endgame" quests dotted around, or getting to a certain stage in one of a variety of quests triggers the endgame scenario and gives an overall structure to the campaign.. Then when you replay with a different character it could be a very different game. Also, with so much content, it would be absolutely expected that your choices would cut you of from huge swathes of it, that would only be accessible with a different playthrough and character.
I liked the art direction and the amount of details. But I could not tolerate the strange writing and the obvious technical limitations that they did not work on. The engine can handle seamless loading of very large maps but due to using a less precise number format for the player and ship position (landing position sets the initial spawn coordinates) the game crashes if a player traverses too far from the origin. Over large distances cumulative rounding errors lead to the wrong position for objects and the player. Their solution were invisible borders.
Many quests felt like being the delivery guy and had no real impact. The dialogue trees are narrow, funnelling you towards one intended path. It actively hurts the new game plus mechanic, where you could have more decisions that play out differently - increasing the appeal of replaying the game. I doubt that they will rework the quests because of the cost for new voice overs and most important - Bethesda does not see anything wrong with their games- So there is no incentive for them to improve.
I wish I shared your optimism, but I don't. I like Starfield, but for me it barely cleared the "like" bar. I don't have high hopes for it. I'm sure they will improve it, but I doubt it will be enough to make it great. The game did have potential, I can see it, but they played it too safe and weren't daring enough to dig deeper into the themes of the game. And the characters are so... bland. I doubt they're going to give Morgan a personality. I think the game should have taken place in less space (only 3-4 planetary systems) and I think it needed more characters/factions/locations. There is good content, but finding it is like looking for a needle in a hey stack of 1000 planets.
Oh I totally feel you. I wouldn't say that I'm optimistic about it either... More just not COMPLETELY ready to write it off lol. I agree with basically all of your points tho. The needle in a haystack is a perfect analogy for finding the good stuff in the game.
"official, as well as fan made mods"
what a sad thing to hear.
The lab mission sounds like the "effect and cause" mission in Titanfall 2. However, that's one of the best missions in any game I've ever played. You should give the game a try if you get a chance
I've heard others say that as well! Titanfall 2 is definitely high on my backlog list. Hopefully the lab mission is better implemented in that game lol
I tried it for a good 2 hours. It’s a good game. But it was annoying that you don’t regenerate health after dying.
I was stuck in a situation where I can’t find any meds and there were a bunch of enemies and I just couldn’t progress no matter how much I tried.
They have a couple of gameplay features that need to be fixed or added like land vehicles on top of the story content to make it a comeback hope they do it but idk🤷
There were a number of things that I didn't like about this game and some things I did. One of the main things that I dislike though was the poor writing. The story was so bland and many times made no sense.
It'll be just like No Man's Sky. "Huh.. that's cool.." People will play a little while, visit a few planets, then realise how boring it actually all is, and stop. Procedurally generated worlds aren't fun. One finely hand-crafted world is way more interesting.
The story and characters were boring from the second i launched it up. I too eagerly waited 4 years to play SF, I have 15 hours at launch and have not gone back. Im just going to wait for Stalker 2.
No.
You can't do a Skyrim/Fallout 4 type remake on it No Skyblivion for Starfield. No Fallout London for Starfield.
Sorry but the game needs to be dumped on and yes it is bad game.
Star Citizen in Alpha is more than everything Starfield was ever promised to be.
I feel really sorry for the people that went and bought new X's etc to play this pile.
I enjoyed my play through of Starfield, and got around 75hours out of it. Which I consider a decent enough return. No desire to go back in the short term, but I might try the XP.
I think the main issues are
1. The commitment to the lore and design decisions made the worlds mostly generic. The crafted sections and quests are great, but the rest of the stuff is boring for the most part. (Compare this to Phantom Liberty which was created as this time, with a small but hyper detailed area/campaign)
2. The game engine is crap, and well past its use by date - poor graphics, facial animations and the loading screens are all symptoms of that.
Starfield is a 7/10 game, not crap but not exceptional.
*Is there a setting to make the game smoother because in some places it runs very well but in outdoor areas like new atlants it runs very bad and when i run the fbs drops alot iam on xbox*
I would make sure you're in performance mode in the settings. Other than that, I think you're just at the mercy of the game. The more I played I did start to experience more frame issues.
I really hope that Bethesda works on this game. I bought it after the major patch and I love it. I do see a lot that could be better. And I hope that the Nexus modders continue to make it an even better game.
You saying you hate the Entangled mission triggers me, because it is my favorite quest in the whole game outside of NASA.
@@lastdayer101 i hated it first time round. The next two times i knew what to expect & it was great.
@@skyriminspace I saw the game try to make me complete it in the trolley problem way, but I could sense that there was something bigger at play. I found the secret 3rd ending on my own, and I think it's the best quest Bethesda has put in a game.
@@lastdayer101 i've heard about the secret third ending. Apparently it's possible to save everyone. I huess by bringing the engineer through to our own original dimension somehow.
I am settled in my current ng+ dimension. Put down too many roots to ng+ again now!
Yeah we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. 😂
Nope
What potential? To be the most boring game ever made?
Lmao fair.
I played Starfield.
I boarded a huge ship, with military personnel on it. I slaughtered them all except the commanding officers who were invincible. Then I couldn’t commandeer the ship.
SO… I uninstalled it. It’s not at all what was advertised to me.
I'm not sure what was advertised to you. All I got was Bethesda game in space out of the advertisement. That was all I cared to know about it in advance, the rest of the information can be discarded. I don't even get why people pay so much attention to ads. Ads are just shallow empty marketing and not just for this game, but for all products. Now, if you mean the Crimson Fleet questline, since you mentioned a huge ship with military personnel... 1. That's a class M ship that can't be comandeered, but many others can. 2. You will be able to kill them at the end of the Crimson Fleet questline, IF you side with them, instead of SysDef.
It was shown to me as a do whatever you imagine or want to do in space 🤷♂️
@@mattkaiser8984 I get what you're saying, but, to be honest, it seemed to me obvious there will always be limitations to the "do what you want to do". No game has absolute freedom, but it's true, Bethesda has this reputation of overpromising and underdelivering. It's part of why I don't care about the marketing/PR stuff. I base my decision whether or not to buy a game based on actual gameplay, not cherrypicked by Bethesda's marketing team, but seeing someone play the game for a while and deciding based on that.
No. Everyone's forgotten about the game. Maybe next time put less ESG in y ou r game Bethesda.
The base game experience is pretty much 90% fixed for me with mods that were released on the first month of ck dropping. They allowed the game to be evaluated beyond its underwhelming mechanical aspects, and what I found was a pretty good game for my tastes hiding in its foundations.
If bethesda plans to treat starfield as a sort of single player live service product going forwards, adding features constantly and releasing story dlcs in an yearly basis, then Im locked in for the long run.
I played this product for few hours... It's biggest disappointment ever. Story is a joke😂😂 it's insane to play through it... Side missions was a bit better but... NO
No. Bethesda needs to shut down.
I have seen mobile games with more content and edge than starfield.
I just started playing again last week. The updates have definitely made the game better. I ran through the Ryujin missions this weekend and found it pretty compelling.
There are still fundamental problems with the game design that hold it back. But I’m looking forward to seeing if they can turn it around at some point in the future, like No Man’s Sky. We shall see.
"potential" lmfao
Gme still feels empty and boring. Such a let down.
No. Not never! 😅
No
It already is.
Is what?
Starfield is kind of gay.
What exactly is gay about it?
The biggest problem with starfield is that a household name game development studio with a couple of the most beloved franchises in it's roster, had the audacity to make a niche AF space game.
If you're in the admittedly narrow target audience, starfield is despite all it's flaws, a blast.
Hopefully when the major dlc begins to arrive & starts fleshing out the experience (as is the case with all Bethesda games), more players will get to experience what the seeming minority such as myself already do.
Nah man probably is it bad game narratively, gameplay, and immersion wise all the thing Bethesda are know for. Interestingly the best part of the game are base building and shipping build which game basically completely ignores. They were afraid to do anything really then make fallout 4 in space and it shows.
The Entangle Mission was quite fucking amazing.
I hated it, to be honest. I hate running around in circles, so I had to look up a guide to find where I was supposed to go. I hate being in a labyrinth. The similar mission in Dishonored 2 was actually good. Way better.
yup very disappointing, I found the game terrible.
It already has.