Jason Genova is on juice and look at what he has accomplished. Actor, Personal Trainer, AC Mechanic, Amateur MMA Athlete, and Top Chef.Has impressive bodybuilding genetics. Can bench press 1200 pounds, squat 2000 pounds, and dead lift a elephant with ease. All this of course before his 6 car accidents, 12 plane crashes, 7 UFO probes, 5 Titanic sinks, 13 ebola cases, and 4 Skydiving accidents with no parachutes. He also has slight SLIGHT autism, maybe 1% with ADD, OCD, NWA, ACDC, TNT, TLC, DMX and Run DMC.
Worst thing about it is that because of the “skittles” The Pisslord has taken in the past, it has fucked up his genetics and his ability to actually gain muscle lol
I gave up on this frying pan once because it loved to stick to my meat even though i smothered that shit in olive oil practically thieving my gains You know I had to let it go!
That would be cool to see Eric do a reaction to this, just because the difference is pretty wild lol. Not being negative towards the gear, just the sheer difference 🎠
definitely yeah, the face growth is also insane, he was so handsome. I respect his choice though, you can't recover from that big of an injury without some help.
bugenhagen, as a long time fan, please consider being transparent about your no-longer-natty state in another talk video like this. we all know you are juiced since the injury AND THATS OK! folks trust you. you could share what youve learned from the stack and how to go about it from your perspective. it would really open up the conversation if more athletes approached the topic from a state of pride, rather than shame and you could circle back to your thesis in this video where you are clearly natty. no pressure. i imagine you are worried about how it would effect the "mindset" aspect of your personal brand. imo its just another piece of the mindset, rather than a crutch for it. please give it some thought!
as if he would admit that to get the approval of a couple internet dorks, meanwhile 99% of normies would lose massive respect, thats why no one tells on themselves unless they are in a hyper niche like powerlifting or bodybuilding where normie presence is nonexistant
It's because steroids are unsustainable. You can't roid 24/7 all the time all year. You can keep lifting but once you're off, you ARE going to lose the muscle, and will be smaller until you get more steroids into your body again. Eating food is easy and very common obviously and necessary for life so it is all you if you are natural, steroids are a direct hormonal profile modulator and so you get your muscle's cellular resources depending COMPLETELY on the use of exogenous testosterone
Nick D If you take steroids you can't even go on a vacation without worrying about losing gains. Wtf are you talking about, comparing gear to food and sleep...
signs say that to mike ohearn... he never yoyoed always stayed big, mark bell as well, hell even loui simmons is healthier than 99% of non users (heart and organ wise, not talking about joints or wear and tear) your statement is fucking retarded
I get why he'd need to jump on them. I don't watch wrestling, but I tuned into the recent Wrestlemania. I know its fake, but the amount of damage those guys take is absurb. From the highjumps, to the slams. The enhancements are needed to recover in that line of work
i thought he took them to help recover from his injury? but you might be right, maybe its "strongly suggested" to take them. either way you know it wasnt an easy decision for him
I like a lot of people that are clearly on the sauce, Clarence, MPMD, Juji. All definitely on the sauce and I respect them, I have no problem saying people I like are on sauce. I 100% believe Bugez is natty. Just a genetic freak mass monster with the mindset.
@@Bioshockaholic he hasn't said it and probably never will, because of his wwe contract. But just look at 2020-2021, he went from 220 to 260 in no time and he's close to 300lbs now and he didn't gained much fat.
I know this is an old video, but I’ve been seriously considering hopping on some gear for the past few weeks now. Every time I have them in my cart online I think of the bugezz. Deciding to stay natural thanks to the man, Sticky Rick. Thanks man.
Hell yeah brother! Focus on one lift, smash that mfker, plateau, move on! You don't need shit to be a boss big man, fuck the juice, your health is alot more important. You're in better shape than 99% of everyone else, you got this brother, juice is for drinking not injecting, stay nattg
Good deal man. Women don’t care about that crap anyway, it’s us dudes who want the muscles and like the muscles. Once you get past a base level of muscularity (like Patrick Swayze or Mark Wahlberg) women just don’t care about it. Generally, being lean is way more important than being huge, and not even crazy lean, just ~15% body fat with 10-20lbs more muscle than most people (couple three years to gain) and you’ll be in the top 1% on the planet.
ye its a shame, I feel like he betrayed himself, but at the same time WWE was a huge goal of his so obviously it made sense for him, but ye it was cool seeing someone push the natty limit
A lot of fitness videos and TH-camrs can be really convoluted or stressful to try and listen to but all of Eric’s videos usually leave me feeling pretty good and motivated I’m glad I found this channel
AND THUS....REAPED THE REWARDS. fuck, fuck, I'm fired up. I'm going for new PR's tomorrow. After 15 damn years. Let's do it son. Let's do it to Iron Maiden.
In these troubling times, you really give me hope big ricky. Never has gear even been close to a consideration in my life, but thank you for setting me straight.
I have had friends who've taken steroids for like vanity and it kind of stops you from making any progress. You take it, be big for like 2-3 months, come off, get small again. Get tired of making no gains natty, go back on, get to about as big as you were before and come off again. That way you are never really making any progress because you just get discouraged when training natural after. It also makes it hard to tell what is actual working and what isn't in terms of training because you'll get bigger and stronger doing just about any garbage routine on the sauce then be convinced you know what you're talking about. I on the other hand have been making slow, steady progress and have only looked better and better through the years.
This community is the least toxic one yet, I love you Eric. Been watching awhile and you make such a positive impact on most. And I personally like your channel and your advice, keep it up man. Make longer vids such as this, my personal favorite
I'll add my $.02 for all of the young folks that are on the fence. I started my physique cultivation in the 90s at age 22 or so. I was 5'8'' and 160 and my goal was 180. I had the notion that I was a hard gainer but I was curious about what my potential was and wanted to suss that out before getting into the harder stuff. My idea was that I was just going to hit it hard, eat like crazy, and use the mirror as my guide. I didn't weigh myself for 6 months. As it turned out, I was wrong about being a hard gainer and I had blown past my 180 goal and hit 205. All along that process I was accused of taking everything under the sun. I was ambivalent, as I found it both encouraging and insulting. As I continued I just kept getting bigger and bigger until I lost interest at about 30. At this time I was about 230 and looked pretty lean. During my 30s I did Kung Fu and went back to playing baseball, but I really didn't lift anymore. When I remarried my wife and I started hitting the gym. She had a desire to get into shape and I saw the nonsense she was doing to get there as a huge waste of time. So I told her I would train her. By this time, I was basically just big at about 250. So 12 years after I quit lifting I go back into the process. To my surprise I'd lost basically no muscle and within a few months I was stronger than I had been in my 20s. I'm now 48 and just learned in the past year that my T is shot. Not primary, but secondary, so the testes are still functional, but the pituitary has ceased to produce enough FSH/LH. This pissed me off royally because I had intentionally tried to set myself up to prevent this. Now, you can choose what you believe, but I'm telling you my "lived experience" here (I hate that term). In my 30s, around 35 or so, I started seeing a new doc and he wanted a complete workup. When the T results came back he asked what I was on. I replied, "I'm not even working out, why would I be on anything?" It's fuzzy but I seem to remember my levels being around 1000 ng/dl; pretty close to the top of ridiculously wide "normal" range. This made sense to me when I remembered that I had developed a minor case of gyno in 20s... NATURALLY! Surgery had been scheduled for about 3 months out and I quit lifting and it just went away on its own. My dad was in his 50s at the time and had literally just gone under the knife for the same thing and no one would ever think he is on gear. He's in the strong for his size but not muscular category. In speaking to my new doc, it appears that combinations of stress and other factors have resulted in me burning out my system (HPG axis). I'm a proponent of HIT (Mentzer, Arthur Jones) and have always trained to failure in the 8-12 rep range. So maybe that wasn't the wisest in terms of my endocrine health, but I did get big AF. I'm now on HRT and the we're still dialing in the dosage. Currently my level is around 600. I don't yet feel like myself even from a year or two ago yet, but it's better. Having said all of that, I took great pride in being natural for all of those years. Back in the 90s Muscular Development made a switch to become All-Natural Muscular Development. I applauded this move and subscribed immediately. As a result, they almost went out of business. I looked up to guys like Skip Lacour, Mike O'Hearn (who knows now but back in the day it wasn't questioned), and even early Ronnie Coleman. My advice is to be true to yourself. You know what you've done and not done. I used to walk around the gym with a chip on my shoulder for having been really close to or better than a lot of guys that were on the juice. I never competed because I just lost interest. I knew the drugs were there and I could always make that leap, it just never turned out that I needed to. My current weight is 280 or so. I'm keen to lean out and if I feel I've done enough, maybe I'll look at competing once. I don't care if I win, I just want to feel like I belong up there. I just found this channel but really like what you're doing and you have my sub.
Lou Anthony to each his own bro..obviously it's gonna be great until it's not great anymore if you know what I mean. How long have you been using and how old are you if you don't mind me asking
still a card carrier right here. I think I speak for most when i say you truly inspire all of us to work harder than we thought we could to achieve our dreams. love you and your content!❤️
Great video, the question that should be asked is ' who you lifting for?' Relying on external accreditation does not seem like a healthy mindset. Self reliance is a cool character trait that can help in self respect and others could see that about you and know that this guy's got his shit together.
I bounced at bars for 10 years as a "skinny Natty" training MMA (various combat sports at different points), Almost EVERY bouncer, and almost EVERY bro we kicked out, was on roids. Almost no one knew how to actually fight. And these bouncers would lose 20, 30 pounds on a two week vacation. They would get depressed, do a bunch of blow and viagara, drink a ton, get back on cycle and have to straighten out. I can't imagine letting my emotional well-being be controlled by chemical dependency. But on other side, everyone tests the skinny bouncer 😉
Nobody on gear would lose 20-30 pounds over two weeks. Unless you're insanely hungry and on tons of gear you won't really lose much coming off of a cycle at all, ever
@@stephen8996 You definitely do lose muscle and some water retention depending on what you were taking (dbol for instance increases water retention significantly), but yeah not 20 lbs unless you were also stuck in the wild for a month and starving to death.
I was going to object your last sentence until I saw you beat me to it! Being in NYC, and used to bartend there, there are *tons* of all kinds of bars and it's interesting what you see. In Jersey you often see bars employing local wrestler kids, who would be by far the best at actually handling a physical confrontation but are (quite correctly) rarely used in NYC. Looking so impressive they don't even think about acting up in the first place is the ultimate goal; and a young-looking jacked manlet often fails to gain that effect and can even provoke idiots to test whether they can take the shorty! In NYC you try to get the biggest NFL lineman looking motherfuckers you can afford. The funniest are gay bars, which can get creative with bouncers because gay dudes do not really get seriously rowdy; I bartended at one place that had a huge-ass lesbian as head bouncer and also at NYC's most popular gay club that had a bunch of short handsome Puerto Rican kids mean mugging in wifebees chains and fitted caps!
Totally agree, general population is very different from bodybuilding world (especially internet). I am 6‘2“-6‘3“ and only about 190 pounds(upper body dominant tho so might look a tad bigger waist up- i am working on my legs tho, gyms have just closed where i lift due to corona and i get really sick of doing 100s of bw squats), so nowhere near my potential and even i have been getting compliments. Honestly, especially women, appreciate much smaller physics that are lean, its just the dudes that get a hard on for hugeness (which is fair, i admire it aswell haha and it is my goal, but just saying). If you only converse online in these circles you tend to lose perspective.
With you on that Eric, I haven't trained for 6 months only lost 10 lbs and stillook great and have most of my strength, it's all about diet and being active and staying natural, like you said doing it natural means that you keep the hard work you paid in its just a harder route and a lot of people don't like the hard work
Big respects chef bugezar, I know you had to do it for your career and to recover from that nasty injury but damn is it depressing. You put your livelihood and family first which is the most noble reason to juice in my opinion. End of an era
I went through some depression and/or infection for the past 2-3 years. Out of desperation tried TRT, never going back, completely changed my life. Don’t care about any natty pride anymore when my health is at stake.
You’re the first respectable & trustworthy athlete I’ve heard saying this and I really needed that. In BJJ and MMA it’s rife but I know deep down I’ll be proud working with what I have and choosing longevity over a shortcut.
Eric, you are my main inspiration. I have tried many times to get into lifting, but given up. Your humble nature and positive attitude motivates me to try and become a little like you one day.
The biggest guy in my gym never deadlifts more than 450lbs for 1 rep with scared cat form. He's as natty as monsanto. Imagine my real natty pride when I deadlifted 460 at 36 with two babies waking me up every night!
This is a brilliant video. I try my best to have pride in staying natural, it can be hard, watching this has just made me more stalward in staying natural, you make some great points!
Anyone notice how hilariously disproportionate the steroid users you've seen in real life are? Take the average gym bro who only cares about shoulders and arms, put him on gear, and suddenly he looks like a joke. Of course in his mind everyone is mirin'. Which explains why he's wearing a stringer and baseball cap for the leg press.
bloozism ain’t nobody want to squat and deadlift these days, but doing it more often, let me tell you, will make your deadlifts and squats WAY better than some of these roid heads that only do leg press and upper body.
New subscriber Eric, great content. After 9 years of training natural at 25 yo, 5ft 8 161 lbs I was benching 295, squat atg 405 and switch grip conv deadlift 525 lbs. Buddy and I were quite close in numbers besides him being 6ft 180. We ran the alternating days of 3x5 and 5x5. It was crazy to see guys at our gym roided to the gills half repping 315 on bench were amazed by our strength. By strength standards we weren’t even at the elite level.. anyways keep up the great content cheers
Very true about positive influence, yourself included. Im the same height and knowing that its possible to reach your level without drugs is very motivating. Thnx Bugez
Great words of wisdom right there. Surely an important topic to discuss. So many people these days look for easier ways out instead of 1st and foremost focusing on doing hard work.
I’m 27 years old 6’2 213 lbs and pretty lean , and I’ve been up to 250 lbs my goal is 230 lbs lean like the Hoss Hagen - this has motivated me to stay natural
315 is more than 90% of people who set foot in a gym will ever achieve. I know you posted ages ago, but don't give up my friend. It took me 18 months to go from 3pl8 to 4pl8, then another 3 years to get to 5pl8. Everyone is different, just compare yourself to yesterday's version of you.
Yeah true. 3 plates is strong. And u should be proud of it. Thats the real "reality" and not the Instagram world, where everyone u see deadlifts above 600 pounds.
Interesting to hear The Stick's 6-years-ago response on this. Personally I think if people want to juice, there's no shame in it, it's not cheating or fake, it's just a trade-off you make, accepting the risk of side effects, etc. But in my personal view, I train mostly for aesthetics and secondly for health, and I think the most aesthetic physiques are within a naturally achievable range (and most women agree with me on that). So for me personally, it makes sense to stay natty. But I don't have "pride" about it, I just think it's the best choice given my goals and priorities. I empathize with guys whose dream physique or dream strength is only possible with anabolics, that puts you in a difficult place of needing to decide if the trade-offs are worth it.
I think as long as someone is being honest about their drug use, it's not an issue. Some steroid users train incredibly hard and there can still be a lot to learn from them. I tend not to worry how I stack up against other people, there's always going to be someone more jacked, stronger and faster, natty or not. You can only control what you do yourself. Steroids work, but they aren't a replacement for good genetics, good diet and hard work. Don't think if a person just take steroids they will end up like Eric Lilliebridge. It's not going to happen. Unless you do all the other things correctly, probably just going end up bald with acne and gyno. Someone using steroids only becomes a problem for me if a person is using them in a sport where they are banned or if they are lying about their use in order to profit some way such as to sell you false hope with a training program or legal supplement.
Yeah exactly like I’m not gonna pretend Thor Bjornsson’s 500 kg deadlift is unimpressive because he juices or act like he didn’t work his ass off to get there. Or like a pro NFL player who takes HGH for injury prevention/recovery isn’t working hard enough.
The thing that guy said about general population only admiring juicers is just absurd. I'm 5''9, 180lbs, not as lean as Eric, pretty amateur and dont feel big but ordinary people pretty damn obviously react if im shirtless (Only 17/18 year old dudes have actually commented though). You only have to look at movie stars to see the physiques non lifting, non instagram dysmorphia people consider big.
I'm glad I was socially awkward during my teens. It made me not wanna go to the gym, which made it impossible for me to be influenced by roidos. Now I'm 24 and are training naturally and it feels good!
I was into the gear for years, on and off all through my 20s, I'm 30 now clean for over 2 years. I am pretty much where I was on juice now, strength and size, it was interesting just as an experiment or experience. Not worth it though, the lows can be brutal. PCt properly or you'll regret it.
ya man, people need to not use the internet as a frame of reference. I'm 6 1 200ish atm and I've been getting a lot of comments on my size irl but I know I have 10-20lbs left in the bag. Compared to the average person, a year of good training will set you well apart. People need to consider the venue they're actually competing in. If you're not trying to break records or win world titles I don't see the point in not being natural.
Loved this video bro. People need to be happy with themselves and how others view them before they even consider steroid use. It should be for increasing strength, not to impress others or to “look” better
Score one for the good guys.
1/32
t. Terry Davis
He ain't natty anymore man.
Jason Genova is on juice and look at what he has accomplished. Actor, Personal Trainer, AC Mechanic, Amateur MMA Athlete, and Top Chef.Has impressive bodybuilding genetics. Can bench press 1200 pounds, squat 2000 pounds, and dead lift a elephant with ease. All this of course before his 6 car accidents, 12 plane crashes, 7 UFO probes, 5 Titanic sinks, 13 ebola cases, and 4 Skydiving accidents with no parachutes. He also has slight SLIGHT autism, maybe 1% with ADD, OCD, NWA, ACDC, TNT, TLC, DMX and Run DMC.
Andy Evans Please bro not in the a.m...Not my problem bro. Poor popper. Not retarded only slight SLIGHT autism cant even tell maybe 1% max noticeable.
Worst thing about it is that because of the “skittles” The Pisslord has taken in the past, it has fucked up his genetics and his ability to actually gain muscle lol
Andy Evans True. Can’t wait for polumboism/Lennyism era Genova
holy shit bro 😂😂😂
Freaky sick genetics. Sick craig tittus look with tom plaz wheels and sickening striations.
boogz has been real quiet on this topic lately
too focused on whoring his wife for internet points
@@colt-_-jonson1743damn…
@@colt-_-jonson1743 that has to be a steroid effect. Seen so many guys hop on steroids & suddenly theyre into all this weird oversexualized shit
@@colt-_-jonson1743 What did he do?
@@saiko-no-kami wish i knew because i don't remember what i wrote here (TH-cam removed my comment)
Anyone else miss 2018 natty Eric?
👍
me..
ahh if only this 2019 natty Sticky RIcky could see the 2024 Mutant Ricky......
Kind of crazy to see how he predicted his future in a way, in regards to getting so big then having to de-size and becoming depressed over it.
The voice change is crazy 💀
He's like a whole different man now.
Look up PirateSoftware- "Voice Evolution" it's nuts
he used to sound like pencilneck 😂
@@sengunvolkanI guess you need PEDs to not be a pencil neck.
he hit a 2nd puberty xD
I gave up a chick cause she loved the drink and liked to call me at 1:47 a.m. waking me out of my gains... You know she had to go!
Lawrence Malcheff Force Production Powerlifting Whatever it takes, r8 babe?
I gave up on this frying pan once because it loved to stick to my meat even though i smothered that shit in olive oil practically thieving my gains You know I had to let it go!
Chad status upheld.
So you like guys. ok.
Mr. Low T^
Eric "I'm 235 lbs" Bugenhagen. The KING.
That would be cool to see Eric do a reaction to this, just because the difference is pretty wild lol. Not being negative towards the gear, just the sheer difference 🎠
NoW MAKEE a followup video lol
Man the difference in voice (&phallus - girth obsession in vocabulary) is crazy compared to modern boogs, permanently altered brain chemistry
Man got in character and stayed in character.
Probably the gear
It's such a tragedy, he's barely above lolcow status now
definitely yeah, the face growth is also insane, he was so handsome. I respect his choice though, you can't recover from that big of an injury without some help.
How can no one be emotionally attached to the BUGEZ?
Everyone is. The bugenhog is for everyone!
Implying not everyone is in the first place
It’s been years and I’m still lost in his baby blues.
@Austin holup
“That’s my fifteen minutes, boom”
I’m using that one in the bedroom
lmfaoo
more like "that's my fifteen seconds, boom"
15 mins? That's already cardio bro..Keep it to 15 reps
15 minutes would be a pr for me
Gotta get your partials and deficits in too
bugenhagen, as a long time fan, please consider being transparent about your no-longer-natty state in another talk video like this. we all know you are juiced since the injury AND THATS OK!
folks trust you. you could share what youve learned from the stack and how to go about it from your perspective. it would really open up the conversation if more athletes approached the topic from a state of pride, rather than shame and you could circle back to your thesis in this video where you are clearly natty. no pressure. i imagine you are worried about how it would effect the "mindset" aspect of your personal brand. imo its just another piece of the mindset, rather than a crutch for it.
please give it some thought!
he can't since he's in WWE
as if he would admit that to get the approval of a couple internet dorks, meanwhile 99% of normies would lose massive respect, thats why no one tells on themselves unless they are in a hyper niche like powerlifting or bodybuilding where normie presence is nonexistant
He juiced before it too
Why do you care if he tells or not? Leave the guy alone
zero proof he is on peds. you are just a skinny kid that does not believe in training
When's the natty pride parade this year?
Natty = complete freedom, you are yourself, and don't depend on others... ! (^_-)
a chemist won't have to depend on others...
It's because steroids are unsustainable. You can't roid 24/7 all the time all year. You can keep lifting but once you're off, you ARE going to lose the muscle, and will be smaller until you get more steroids into your body again. Eating food is easy and very common obviously and necessary for life so it is all you if you are natural, steroids are a direct hormonal profile modulator and so you get your muscle's cellular resources depending COMPLETELY on the use of exogenous testosterone
Nick D If you take steroids you can't even go on a vacation without worrying about losing gains. Wtf are you talking about, comparing gear to food and sleep...
Nick D I think you're trying to justify your shortcomings, you don't make any sense.
signs say that to mike ohearn... he never yoyoed always stayed big, mark bell as well, hell even loui simmons is healthier than 99% of non users (heart and organ wise, not talking about joints or wear and tear) your statement is fucking retarded
at least props to ricky, he still didnt remove this video
I get why he'd need to jump on them. I don't watch wrestling, but I tuned into the recent Wrestlemania. I know its fake, but the amount of damage those guys take is absurb. From the highjumps, to the slams. The enhancements are needed to recover in that line of work
i thought he took them to help recover from his injury? but you might be right, maybe its "strongly suggested" to take them. either way you know it wasnt an easy decision for him
didnt he quit wrestling like long time ago
and im sure there are natty wrestlers who take beating of their life
I'm so glad that I believe you when you say you're natural. You're the natty example for lifters.
layney boy You're bad at reading is all.
I like a lot of people that are clearly on the sauce, Clarence, MPMD, Juji. All definitely on the sauce and I respect them, I have no problem saying people I like are on sauce. I 100% believe Bugez is natty. Just a genetic freak mass monster with the mindset.
@@jagerfromgsg945 he is not natty anymore
@@olegaarden2294 dont break my heart
@@bigmanolly2889 he realy isnt, its very obvious
Hey Rick is there "Any pride in staying natty?"
Rick De La Stick
Thicc
Geeez, his voice has gotten so much deeper in 4 years
His face gotten bigger too. The Roids changed him alot
@@aureliusthegunsmith7203 he does roids? Has he said that?
@@Bioshockaholic he hasn't said it and probably never will, because of his wwe contract.
But just look at 2020-2021, he went from 220 to 260 in no time and he's close to 300lbs now and he didn't gained much fat.
@@aureliusthegunsmith7203 if you watched his superhero aesthetic program video, I think this is where Eric peaked tbh
He was so much more handsome here
I still come back to watch this from time to time. It's reassuring to know that one of my favorite fitness youtubers is natty. Stay Natty Bros.
Same
lol ..tell me if you still think the same.
@@alphachad2363do you think he's on the juice
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ricky Ticky no Sticky 🙅🏻♂️💉💉💉
😬😬😬
I know this is an old video, but I’ve been seriously considering hopping on some gear for the past few weeks now. Every time I have them in my cart online I think of the bugezz. Deciding to stay natural thanks to the man, Sticky Rick. Thanks man.
Hell yeah brother! Focus on one lift, smash that mfker, plateau, move on! You don't need shit to be a boss big man, fuck the juice, your health is alot more important. You're in better shape than 99% of everyone else, you got this brother, juice is for drinking not injecting, stay nattg
Agreed. All of my friends that got on gear, all of them ended up as head cases and many of them destroyed their bodies.
Good deal man. Women don’t care about that crap anyway, it’s us dudes who want the muscles and like the muscles. Once you get past a base level of muscularity (like Patrick Swayze or Mark Wahlberg) women just don’t care about it. Generally, being lean is way more important than being huge, and not even crazy lean, just ~15% body fat with 10-20lbs more muscle than most people (couple three years to gain) and you’ll be in the top 1% on the planet.
I'll juice to that!
Why though? Are you competting or just ego boost to a few friends for a lifetime of compromised health?
would be cool to see a reaction video to this video now. his priorities, goals and outlooks shifted quite a bit from here to now.
This is awkward now 😂
2024 Rick blended this guy and spread him on his Nature valley granola bars.
It’s 2023 and I completely agree with everything the Stick is saying here!
It’s concerning that people are more worried about the optics of using steroids than the fact that they’re literally going to die earlier lol.
Our natty prince
Lol this comment gets another dimension after he posted a video of him doing the "little prince" school project hahah
Before he went horse mode, he made much more sense. But he wasn't half as funny tbh.
ye its a shame, I feel like he betrayed himself, but at the same time WWE was a huge goal of his so obviously it made sense for him, but ye it was cool seeing someone push the natty limit
A lot of fitness videos and TH-camrs can be really convoluted or stressful to try and listen to but all of Eric’s videos usually leave me feeling pretty good and motivated I’m glad I found this channel
13:04 Hell, it's rare to see a proper 405 pull in most gyms
AND THUS....REAPED THE REWARDS. fuck, fuck, I'm fired up. I'm going for new PR's tomorrow. After 15 damn years. Let's do it son. Let's do it to Iron Maiden.
In these troubling times, you really give me hope big ricky. Never has gear even been close to a consideration in my life, but thank you for setting me straight.
I have had friends who've taken steroids for like vanity and it kind of stops you from making any progress. You take it, be big for like 2-3 months, come off, get small again. Get tired of making no gains natty, go back on, get to about as big as you were before and come off again. That way you are never really making any progress because you just get discouraged when training natural after. It also makes it hard to tell what is actual working and what isn't in terms of training because you'll get bigger and stronger doing just about any garbage routine on the sauce then be convinced you know what you're talking about.
I on the other hand have been making slow, steady progress and have only looked better and better through the years.
This community is the least toxic one yet, I love you Eric. Been watching awhile and you make such a positive impact on most. And I personally like your channel and your advice, keep it up man. Make longer vids such as this, my personal favorite
Fitness Borat
I'll add my $.02 for all of the young folks that are on the fence. I started my physique cultivation in the 90s at age 22 or so. I was 5'8'' and 160 and my goal was 180. I had the notion that I was a hard gainer but I was curious about what my potential was and wanted to suss that out before getting into the harder stuff. My idea was that I was just going to hit it hard, eat like crazy, and use the mirror as my guide. I didn't weigh myself for 6 months. As it turned out, I was wrong about being a hard gainer and I had blown past my 180 goal and hit 205. All along that process I was accused of taking everything under the sun. I was ambivalent, as I found it both encouraging and insulting. As I continued I just kept getting bigger and bigger until I lost interest at about 30. At this time I was about 230 and looked pretty lean. During my 30s I did Kung Fu and went back to playing baseball, but I really didn't lift anymore. When I remarried my wife and I started hitting the gym. She had a desire to get into shape and I saw the nonsense she was doing to get there as a huge waste of time. So I told her I would train her. By this time, I was basically just big at about 250. So 12 years after I quit lifting I go back into the process. To my surprise I'd lost basically no muscle and within a few months I was stronger than I had been in my 20s.
I'm now 48 and just learned in the past year that my T is shot. Not primary, but secondary, so the testes are still functional, but the pituitary has ceased to produce enough FSH/LH. This pissed me off royally because I had intentionally tried to set myself up to prevent this. Now, you can choose what you believe, but I'm telling you my "lived experience" here (I hate that term). In my 30s, around 35 or so, I started seeing a new doc and he wanted a complete workup. When the T results came back he asked what I was on. I replied, "I'm not even working out, why would I be on anything?" It's fuzzy but I seem to remember my levels being around 1000 ng/dl; pretty close to the top of ridiculously wide "normal" range. This made sense to me when I remembered that I had developed a minor case of gyno in 20s... NATURALLY! Surgery had been scheduled for about 3 months out and I quit lifting and it just went away on its own. My dad was in his 50s at the time and had literally just gone under the knife for the same thing and no one would ever think he is on gear. He's in the strong for his size but not muscular category. In speaking to my new doc, it appears that combinations of stress and other factors have resulted in me burning out my system (HPG axis). I'm a proponent of HIT (Mentzer, Arthur Jones) and have always trained to failure in the 8-12 rep range. So maybe that wasn't the wisest in terms of my endocrine health, but I did get big AF. I'm now on HRT and the we're still dialing in the dosage. Currently my level is around 600. I don't yet feel like myself even from a year or two ago yet, but it's better.
Having said all of that, I took great pride in being natural for all of those years. Back in the 90s Muscular Development made a switch to become All-Natural Muscular Development. I applauded this move and subscribed immediately. As a result, they almost went out of business. I looked up to guys like Skip Lacour, Mike O'Hearn (who knows now but back in the day it wasn't questioned), and even early Ronnie Coleman. My advice is to be true to yourself. You know what you've done and not done. I used to walk around the gym with a chip on my shoulder for having been really close to or better than a lot of guys that were on the juice. I never competed because I just lost interest. I knew the drugs were there and I could always make that leap, it just never turned out that I needed to. My current weight is 280 or so. I'm keen to lean out and if I feel I've done enough, maybe I'll look at competing once. I don't care if I win, I just want to feel like I belong up there.
I just found this channel but really like what you're doing and you have my sub.
You the man Bugz, really admire your look on these subjects. Thanks for this video, got me motivated to go to the gym once again!
i started juicing and it has changed my life. not sure why everyone opposed to it. Jack LaLanne did it for nearly his whole life and he lived to 96.
Lou Anthony did it give u calves like omar?
Lou Anthony to each his own bro..obviously it's gonna be great until it's not great anymore if you know what I mean. How long have you been using and how old are you if you don't mind me asking
I don't. I take science over social stigma. I don't juice, either, and never have...in case you were wondering
Eric Bugenhagen i think that mr lou anthony was referring to actual juice, that was a good piece of trolling lmao
Greetings lou. God bless u from Canada
When Eric gets serious, you know is something really special...
I'm *6'2 and 176lbs with a bit o chub. Getting into the heavy lifting scene too. Keep at it buges, you're my pre-workout
PunHub Rafe, you're 6'2.
Same
I prefer the post human Rick de la stick
we miss this era of the stick
Amazing arguments for staying natural. Great video!
This is the best video on natural lifting compared to enhanced ever! So much truth in this!
Rick De La Thicc will never stick in any needles to get big
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Can confirm, everyone in my commercial gym watches me pull a 405 lb deadlift lmaoooo
Comeonmate7 same man lol. People think im a beast when im not at all lol.
Try doing Z-Presses in the commercial gym. This is where it gets funny :D
Especially when I weigh 170 and all the dudes that got 70 pounds on me can't out lift me.
Pulled 405x5 when I was 20 years old, some PT asked me if I could put down the weights more gently @_@
@@missandeisass4671 you are a beast...youre just brainwashed to think it aint good enough..it is..but who dosent wanna see their full potential
still a card carrier right here. I think I speak for most when i say you truly inspire all of us to work harder than we thought we could to achieve our dreams. love you and your content!❤️
Great video, the question that should be asked is ' who you lifting for?' Relying on external accreditation does not seem like a healthy mindset. Self reliance is a cool character trait that can help in self respect and others could see that about you and know that this guy's got his shit together.
I bounced at bars for 10 years as a "skinny Natty" training MMA (various combat sports at different points),
Almost EVERY bouncer, and almost EVERY bro we kicked out, was on roids. Almost no one knew how to actually fight.
And these bouncers would lose 20, 30 pounds on a two week vacation. They would get depressed, do a bunch of blow and viagara, drink a ton, get back on cycle and have to straighten out. I can't imagine letting my emotional well-being be controlled by chemical dependency.
But on other side, everyone tests the skinny bouncer 😉
Nobody on gear would lose 20-30 pounds over two weeks. Unless you're insanely hungry and on tons of gear you won't really lose much coming off of a cycle at all, ever
@@stephen8996 You definitely do lose muscle and some water retention depending on what you were taking (dbol for instance increases water retention significantly), but yeah not 20 lbs unless you were also stuck in the wild for a month and starving to death.
I was going to object your last sentence until I saw you beat me to it!
Being in NYC, and used to bartend there, there are *tons* of all kinds of bars and it's interesting what you see. In Jersey you often see bars employing local wrestler kids, who would be by far the best at actually handling a physical confrontation but are (quite correctly) rarely used in NYC. Looking so impressive they don't even think about acting up in the first place is the ultimate goal; and a young-looking jacked manlet often fails to gain that effect and can even provoke idiots to test whether they can take the shorty! In NYC you try to get the biggest NFL lineman looking motherfuckers you can afford. The funniest are gay bars, which can get creative with bouncers because gay dudes do not really get seriously rowdy; I bartended at one place that had a huge-ass lesbian as head bouncer and also at NYC's most popular gay club that had a bunch of short handsome Puerto Rican kids mean mugging in wifebees chains and fitted caps!
Totally agree, general population is very different from bodybuilding world (especially internet). I am 6‘2“-6‘3“ and only about 190 pounds(upper body dominant tho so might look a tad bigger waist up- i am working on my legs tho, gyms have just closed where i lift due to corona and i get really sick of doing 100s of bw squats), so nowhere near my potential and even i have been getting compliments. Honestly, especially women, appreciate much smaller physics that are lean, its just the dudes that get a hard on for hugeness (which is fair, i admire it aswell haha and it is my goal, but just saying). If you only converse online in these circles you tend to lose perspective.
I'm proud of my creatine use.
Anyways as Muscle Jesus said: Everybody wanna be a body builder but ain't no body wanna lift heavy as weights.
Yes, there is. However, I think the only shame is in taking roids if you lie to people that you're natural.
With you on that Eric, I haven't trained for 6 months only lost 10 lbs and stillook great and have most of my strength, it's all about diet and being active and staying natural, like you said doing it natural means that you keep the hard work you paid in its just a harder route and a lot of people don't like the hard work
Whenever I feel like I'm going crazy, I just watch Eric's videos. Then I feel ok. : O
Big respects chef bugezar, I know you had to do it for your career and to recover from that nasty injury but damn is it depressing. You put your livelihood and family first which is the most noble reason to juice in my opinion. End of an era
I went through some depression and/or infection for the past 2-3 years. Out of desperation tried TRT, never going back, completely changed my life. Don’t care about any natty pride anymore when my health is at stake.
Obviously rick isnt talking about you lmao
You’re the first respectable & trustworthy athlete I’ve heard saying this and I really needed that. In BJJ and MMA it’s rife but I know deep down I’ll be proud working with what I have and choosing longevity over a shortcut.
Eric, you are my main inspiration. I have tried many times to get into lifting, but given up. Your humble nature and positive attitude motivates me to try and become a little like you one day.
The biggest guy in my gym never deadlifts more than 450lbs for 1 rep with scared cat form. He's as natty as monsanto. Imagine my real natty pride when I deadlifted 460 at 36 with two babies waking me up every night!
bugez adds more confidence to my daily life than i'd care to admit
Most logical response I've heard
Eric "Nich Community" Bugenhagen
If there's ever another smokey and the bandit... Burt Reynolds approves that moustache. We need Sally fields tho.
This is a brilliant video. I try my best to have pride in staying natural, it can be hard, watching this has just made me more stalward in staying natural, you make some great points!
I just realised I've never heard the bugez listening to Rammstein
Michael McElhinney the bugez headbaning to mein hertz brent while pulling up a huge deadlift is somthing the world really needs to see
He listened to "Du hast" in a video just a few weeks back!
Nicolas shit my bad man I must've missed it. Now I feel dumb
Ok it's been longer than I thought, the video is "440 lbs Fat gripz trap bar deadlift" from May 9th, 2018.
He has a whole video of him yelling DU HAST
This is one of my favorite videos you’ve ever made. I’m staying natural forever💪🏻
This hurts me
Anyone notice how hilariously disproportionate the steroid users you've seen in real life are? Take the average gym bro who only cares about shoulders and arms, put him on gear, and suddenly he looks like a joke.
Of course in his mind everyone is mirin'. Which explains why he's wearing a stringer and baseball cap for the leg press.
>Which explains why he's wearing a stringer and baseball cap for the leg press.
lmao this is so true
The baseball cap is for the male pattern baldness.
I don't think so lol. All the top fitness models are juicing
bloozism ain’t nobody want to squat and deadlift these days, but doing it more often, let me tell you, will make your deadlifts and squats WAY better than some of these roid heads that only do leg press and upper body.
Alespider Jesus this is literally every roider under age 30 I’ve ever seen
New subscriber Eric, great content. After 9 years of training natural at 25 yo, 5ft 8 161 lbs I was benching 295, squat atg 405 and switch grip conv deadlift 525 lbs. Buddy and I were quite close in numbers besides him being 6ft 180. We ran the alternating days of 3x5 and 5x5. It was crazy to see guys at our gym roided to the gills half repping 315 on bench were amazed by our strength. By strength standards we weren’t even at the elite level.. anyways keep up the great content cheers
Those are solid numbers man! Nice bench! Solid squat and deadlift. You aiming for a 200kg squat anytime soon or maybe a 3plate bench?
I've noticed that most of those who aren't naturals their voices change over the years going fully deep and bass heavy for some reason.
I’m pretty sure is because of testosterone levels constantly staying high which causes the body to continue developing. Voice, organs, bones, etc
11:07 100% fact! All goofiness aside, thanks for the positivity and promoting staying true to yourself.
I’m 5”10 was 160 lean when I started lifting with passion about 4 months ago. I’m 170 now. All natural! I’ll reach ur 200 goal someday!
Very true about positive influence, yourself included. Im the same height and knowing that its possible to reach your level without drugs is very motivating. Thnx Bugez
I love the authenticity of this video.
Keep at it Eric!! Your videos motivate me and are an inspiration for what I'm trying to achieve in the house of gains!!
when i saw that eric is one of the few good role models on the internet right now who teaches responsibility and ethical behaviors, i subscribed
@jumbo bro don't make it so obvious your jealous
Asking Eric "Do you even lift" is like asking Yngwie Malmsteen if he can shred
Video on how to stimulate the pure funk moustache growth? Also why did you stop the milk?
Rack Pull Above The Knee he stopped the milk because he got really dependant on it. His diet wasn't really well rounded
Great words of wisdom right there. Surely an important topic to discuss. So many people these days look for easier ways out instead of 1st and foremost focusing on doing hard work.
So many great points by such an inspirational man. IT ! IS ! A ! MINDDSET !!!
I’m 27 years old
6’2 213 lbs and pretty lean , and I’ve been up to 250 lbs my goal is 230 lbs lean like the Hoss Hagen - this has motivated me to stay natural
me who is stoked I just hit a 3 plate deadlift.
Eric: general population is gunna respect a 400lb deadlift because there idiots
315 is more than 90% of people who set foot in a gym will ever achieve. I know you posted ages ago, but don't give up my friend. It took me 18 months to go from 3pl8 to 4pl8, then another 3 years to get to 5pl8. Everyone is different, just compare yourself to yesterday's version of you.
@@Mothbo bahahah thanks for bringing this comment back up, I bench more than 315 now
Josh Allan thats so inspirational, i just hit 315 as well
Yeah true. 3 plates is strong. And u should be proud of it. Thats the real "reality" and not the Instagram world, where everyone u see deadlifts above 600 pounds.
@@joshallan2632 the mindset never fails
Interesting to hear The Stick's 6-years-ago response on this. Personally I think if people want to juice, there's no shame in it, it's not cheating or fake, it's just a trade-off you make, accepting the risk of side effects, etc. But in my personal view, I train mostly for aesthetics and secondly for health, and I think the most aesthetic physiques are within a naturally achievable range (and most women agree with me on that). So for me personally, it makes sense to stay natty. But I don't have "pride" about it, I just think it's the best choice given my goals and priorities. I empathize with guys whose dream physique or dream strength is only possible with anabolics, that puts you in a difficult place of needing to decide if the trade-offs are worth it.
I think as long as someone is being honest about their drug use, it's not an issue. Some steroid users train incredibly hard and there can still be a lot to learn from them. I tend not to worry how I stack up against other people, there's always going to be someone more jacked, stronger and faster, natty or not. You can only control what you do yourself. Steroids work, but they aren't a replacement for good genetics, good diet and hard work. Don't think if a person just take steroids they will end up like Eric Lilliebridge. It's not going to happen. Unless you do all the other things correctly, probably just going end up bald with acne and gyno. Someone using steroids only becomes a problem for me if a person is using them in a sport where they are banned or if they are lying about their use in order to profit some way such as to sell you false hope with a training program or legal supplement.
Yeah exactly like I’m not gonna pretend Thor Bjornsson’s 500 kg deadlift is unimpressive because he juices or act like he didn’t work his ass off to get there. Or like a pro NFL player who takes HGH for injury prevention/recovery isn’t working hard enough.
The thing that guy said about general population only admiring juicers is just absurd.
I'm 5''9, 180lbs, not as lean as Eric, pretty amateur and dont feel big but ordinary people pretty damn obviously react if im shirtless (Only 17/18 year old dudes have actually commented though). You only have to look at movie stars to see the physiques non lifting, non instagram dysmorphia people consider big.
5 foot 9 180 is pretty big man.
True that, I'm 5.7/5.8 - 187lbs, looking to be full on bear mode at 195/200...go figure😂🐻
Ch Lakkireddy im 5'9 190 and i thought i was still small lol
I'm glad I was socially awkward during my teens. It made me not wanna go to the gym, which made it impossible for me to be influenced by roidos. Now I'm 24 and are training naturally and it feels good!
Now ur smol
I was into the gear for years, on and off all through my 20s, I'm 30 now clean for over 2 years. I am pretty much where I was on juice now, strength and size, it was interesting just as an experiment or experience. Not worth it though, the lows can be brutal. PCt properly or you'll regret it.
Lifting stats? On and of juice
Heck Yes there is pride! It tells you all about the mindset! The tough stay Natty!
"in the real world, just get jacked and stacked, dude"
best advice ive ever received
really appreciated this Rick thanks
First vid of your I've seen with commercials! How dare they stop The Eagle's Flight! Great vid and great take in the question...
ya man, people need to not use the internet as a frame of reference. I'm 6 1 200ish atm and I've been getting a lot of comments on my size irl but I know I have 10-20lbs left in the bag. Compared to the average person, a year of good training will set you well apart. People need to consider the venue they're actually competing in. If you're not trying to break records or win world titles I don't see the point in not being natural.
I can’t focus on the Bugez golden tidbits with that succulent ‘stache distracting me, although looking at it made me crave garlic
Loved this video bro. People need to be happy with themselves and how others view them before they even consider steroid use. It should be for increasing strength, not to impress others or to “look” better
10:35 - makes me realize I’m not at my genetic potential..... back to work!