Thanks so much for having me on! This was so much fun, and I appreciate what you are doing so much! This video is amazing, detailed, and so info-packed! Keep it up :D
In your field of expertise do you look at the theory of our solar system travelling around our Milky Way galaxy and goes through areas of it’s journey that are full of meteor collision belts? You are great in this show very informative 🎼🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Excellent video! Just started digging into this topic for my piece on Ancient Apocalypse S.2. Really well done and comprehensive work here. I will certainly be referring people to this video
Just replied to David on Twitter saying this but Graham and gang talking about Gobekli Tepe and the Younger Dryas really hooked me into the subject which turned me onto legitimate creators like you, Stefan Milo and David just to name a few so I really appreciate this video and this entire sphere of history and archaeology creators on TH-cam and elsewhere. You guys are great
I hate how condescending this guy constantly sounds to me like he's just shitting on everyone that possibly thinks differently but if you liked this vid miny I'll actually give him another shot
The younger dryas always need to be framed in an appropriate context. It is only when taken our of this context that it can be framed as an "apocalypse" Excellent work Dr.Miano
It would have been an apocalypse to ancient people. We don't have enough archeological and geological records to compare previous periods with this last younger dryas to state clearly that the comet/asteroid fragments hitting the surface of the planet would affect young civs in one way or the other. We have climate data which could speak to us passing through some sort of cloud of debris in our cycle in the solar system with some sort of super eccentric orbit. This is why I hate when people are quick to discredit theories like this which offer a glimpse to possible reoccurring events. Some periods there would be less debris depending on what part of the cycle we are in our yearly rotation. Some parts of the cycle we (the planet) end up in the middle of the stream. Does this coincide with the major extinction events with the dinos and otherwise? ....
@@unadultratedtrini the evidence to support the theory at best is microscopic and a lot of the information on the subject is being produced by the Comet Research Group with ties to Young Earth Creationism.
@swirvinbirds1971 the evidence I'm talking about is not meta analysis but rather research from geologist and historians on impacts from the period and glacial melt research in the America's and Europe.
@@unadultratedtrini a meteor shower does not explain the drastic temperature fluctuations of YD. They occur regularly and do not contribute significantly to temperature change.
What a treat! By the way, isn’t it odd that the only society/culture that was destroyed, happened to be the most advanced AND spread knowledge all over the world but ALSO destroyed all evidence of said culture?!
I agree. But, I’ll share the counter argument of the alternative history crowd. The argument is that the more advanced a society, the more fragile it is and the more ephemeral its material culture is. M For example, if everyone in North America died, there would be very little left behind after just a few centuries. Most of our resources go into things that are burned or are made of materials that are archeologically invisible. Even most paper made in the last century won’t last very long since it’s made up of relatively fragile chemical bonds. Our place in history is toilets and tires, because that’s all that’ll be found and people will never believe we had aircraft and world ending weapons.
Except there is, and will be, a massive amount of evidence of world ending weapons. It is why WW2 marine war graves are being looted to provide low radiation steel.
History is written by the victors/survivors. Name how many history books today highlight the allies used mustard gas just as much as the germans. Even accidentally killing off their own armies with the gas due to wind reversals.
@@StoneInMySandal We find 500 000 year old wood huts. But not a single evidence from something thats supposed to happen only 12000 years ago. Fairytales for adults. Someone sells books and tours. Cash is king.
It's not beyond reasonable thought that if there was an advanced civ (for the period) and they were in a space where a rapid flood wipes away most of their civ and the rest of the survivors went on to travel the world and spread knowledge. They just dont have enough people to rebuilt and resettle so instead of keeping to themselves they shared realizing that they may not survive in that time. Also to note that countries didn't exist at that time. The world was built of city states with kings projecting power from one city outward onto surrounding lands. Compared to our current concept of territory holdings etc.
This guy Miano puts an incredible amount of work in to bring us this content …..we should all appreciate that and help him do his thing by liking and subscribing…❤
Stefan is great, but David actually got me flipped around I used to watch Hancock and the guy from Australia, with David set me on the straight and narrow
How with so many views does this video have so few likes. I watch a lot of what you would call 'debunk' videos. Most with quite good content creators and I don't think I have seen one this good. I really appreciate the work you put into this. You are what Rogan needs.
Yeh no idea. But I know people that watch and enjoy videos and certain creators but they dont ever sub or like anything and i remember asking them why and they just shrugged and said they dunno they just don't.. So.. I still dont get why not when surely they'd want to support content creators they enjoy, doesn't take a second to like a video or sub to someone..
I swear this man reads my mind. Really wanted to learn about this "Younger Dryas" topic but wanted to learn about it from a familiar face. Couldn't find it anywhere... Glad he's made this video now.
meteoric iron existed. This visit does not refute that, it is more workable than mined iron as it has high purity. Meteoric iron would put any small group or civ ahead of most others out of the impact period.
@@unadultratedtrini that's just wrong, meteorite iron was in such small amounts it couldn't have amounted for serious technological or industrial leap, Tutankhamun made ceremonial DAGGERS out of "sky metal", not ploughs, armor, or wheel axles.
They dont leave behind monument, They dont leave a trace in genetic, they dont introduce plant species, or just leave us their writitng system, but they leave behind a road that goes to nowhere in the bahamas LOL
@@MEAT_EATER23Well ALL the stuff they made got totally destroyed by all sorts of things like asteroids and floods. One thing after another, and anything of any metal rusted. Anything of stone was crushed to powder It’s all gone!. However bones (only of hunter-gatherers and wild animals), primitive cave paintings, and hand-flaked stone tools DiD survive somehow.
I love these myth series. Thank you for such a long and informative doc, I love the interviews from various experts. There isn’t too many places where you get that, and certainly not interviewed by someone else who has the expertise to know what to ask. Fantastic job 👏👏👏
Good work learning the real science 🎉it’s work to study this stuff and to base your understanding on what we actually know as science should be carried out. People who drink that kool aid just don’t want to do the work to learn what we actually know
@@WorldofAntiquity Thanks for touching on this subject! I like many others was intrigued by the YDI first by Randall Carlson who presented alot of evidence showing something catastrophic DID happen. The advanced civilization stuff is woo woo and its sad its been derailed by that.
PhD Geologist/Geophysicist here. Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson once again, show their ignorance about geology. Geologists have no "vested interest" in slow, gradual processes, and Uniformitarianism does NOT describe this, but rather, it states that the processes we see operating at present occurred throughout the past. Hancock's and Carlson's statements imply that Geologists are not aware of floods, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, landslides, tsunamis, etc. At least take a Geology course you guys.
Keep in mind that in the minds of the lunatic fringe taking an actual geology class would be dismissed as being brainwashed by the mainstream. And/or they dismiss geology as not being real science when they need a break from ragging on archaeology. Except when a published study in one of those fields is used to support hancock. Then it is back to being science.
They use certain geologists from the past that, who to be fair were sometimes sidelined because their new ideas seemed to extreme, or they didn't have enough evidence because the technical tools weren't available to them then to fully convince others at the time. The field is more open now, but Hancock etc act like its still the 1930's or before. They also quote archeologists and scientists from the past whose understanding of certain things was obviously limited being 100 years + ago, they know that things have been updated but it wouldn't 'fit into the narrative' they are selling to have current facts in there.
The way they contrive the uniformitarianism and catastrophism debate as if it still a current unresolved problem in geology is laughable till you realise to whom they are preaching this crap.
How could anyone possibly believe a 6,000 mile wide desert all the way to China is not natural,, there's absolutely no evidence an ancient Society exploded
Wow, that was some serious work you and your guests did there, that must have taken weeks to put together. Thanks for all the effort. I've been a catastrophist in the distant past, 40+ years ago. I got into Velikovsky for a summer in my late teens. It didn't take me long to leave that all behind and focus on far more solid science around catastrophes, but through the years I've checked into people like Sitchin, then Hankook, etc. to continue to debunk what they are saying. So, your work is spot on, thanks. I'm also a big fan of your Egyptology....
Great watch on a frosty Thursday morning. Plenty of grist for the mill. I will be viewing certain parts of this "symposium" numerous times to ensure at least a chance of proper comprehension. Knowledgeable guests with good information. Cheers!
Awesome, “charitable interlocutor” is fire. Can you write my comments for me, bc I recently wrote Dr. M is a “good interviewer” 🤦♂️. Ha, I need to level up. Seriously, Dr. M is not getting his flowers. I’m on his Patreon, which is as much as I can do. I just hope he’s cranking out this quality for years to come.
Great video David. I suspect someone will try to attack it and misrepresent things haha. Victor Baker is great btw, really enjoyed listening to him. Thanks👏🏻
"Scientists should never be absolute" That is a profound statement that the general public, and especially journalists need to learn. Far too often they try to get absolute answers from scientists, and when the scientist nuances his answers that is taken as giving credence to absolute idiots spouting very definite garbage.
Because thats what *people* want. Answers. There is a lot money to be made in giving it to them. Sure its dumb and yes, demanding quick and easy solutions to everything is how you get either wrong or scammed 100% of the time but this doesnt change the fact that this is how the human psyche works. Just remember: from some branches of science, all we ever here is longwinded arguments and debates. Meanwhile other branches of science gave us rockets. And if journalists and politicians dont give those answers to them, they are only glad to immediately move on to their religion/psychic/local cult leader who *will* and never read/care about anything related to science ever again
@@SiqueScarface Journalists are responsible to interpret & translate that what specialists say. That is their literal job: explaining why something is newsworthy. Nowadays, most journalists treat scientists like they are politicians. Which is NOT the fault of the scientists, but 100% that of the journalists.
@@TheEvertw No. Journalists are the people contributing to a journal, and journal is French for "daily". Journalists do whatever the readers of the daily magazin want it to be. Everything else is "there ought to be a law codifying my point of view."
Metatron is a linguist and they tend to be a bit Chomsky in the head. Like he openly said he wears CHAINMAIL under the shirt while going outside. A bloody medieval armor. Below clothing. When going to the supermarket, not cosplaying. This is cray-cray.
@@KasumiRINA I found his channel entertaining until all his reaction videos. Though wearing chainmail...if I had good chainmail I would probably also do that. I mean...come ON!! it's chainmail! I would wear the shit out of it! 😂 Plus cosplay outside history...now I find that cray-cray....
I like Metatron, I don't think he's a bad guy who holds questionable opinions, but I do think he's swayed by the audience he's gained on the back of legitimate critique of certain documentaries and historical drama programmes not reflecting history accurately. The counter argument would be artistic licence for entertainment purposes. Nobody is calling for Ancient Aliens to be cancelled as it's absolute bollocks, but some go mental when black British nobility is shown in an historical drama. I mean, really? As for his Graham coverage especially, he really does let a lot slide. In his last video he said Graham should offer numbers to satisfy his need for digs which could reasonably rule out his hypothesis, yet didn't call out his double standards moments later. "I don't need to do a thing, but you do!" is 100% something you should call out, but nope.
This was awesome! Great interviews with these wonderful scholars. The breadth of their knowledge and delightful anecdotes of conversations with other experts they’ve known is a treat to listen to. Thank you!
This is my favourite controversial topic because I think Graham Hancock is full of shit, and that his grievance stems from his lack of understanding of the scientific method. However, he is a great story teller and I really want the story he's telling to be true. So I get a constant rotation of new, interesting bullshit from Graham to sink into, and then great, also interesting refutations from the actual experts lol
I think Miano's last guest has it right. Hancock doesn't care about facts as much as making money and getting an audience. I'm sure he believes he is right anyway and once the 'truth' comes out he wants everybody to remember his 'genius', and that he therefor has the right to exaggerate and bend the evidence to fit the narrative.
Graham Hancock constantly accuses archaeologists that they intentionally ignore astronomical alignments and possible relationships with ancient sites. He also gaslights and talks over the top of people in his documentaries. The way he does things is he has an idea, then looks for evidence to support his idea, which is a very dangerous and extremely outdated approach to research because rather than judge what you see based on what you see, you instead use what you see to put evidence to what you already preconceived. Are there groups and elements who are guilty of blocking and obstructing the progression of archaeological sites? Yes. Does it have anything to do with trying to "hide the truth", no. It's more a case of multiple layers of bureaucratic resulting from lobbyists or local governments being run by crazy, lazy or people who don't care or people who care more about money than discovery. Not all countries are democratic and not all countries are open to the idea of allowing archaeologists the freedoms they ask for, equally, not all places do either because of various groups barring further studies, such as native groups who oppose it, or the site being in a region which is a nature reserve, requiring permission, list goes on. There isn't a grand conspiracy Graham. It is just we live in a world where most countries have a say in what is and isn't allowed to be done in their soil, this isn't 1900 where the British Empire and France controls 60% of the entire world and it's citizens can do whatever they please on occupied soil.
Yeah those alignments. Yesterday i took a hard look at aerial photos of the Serpent Mound in Ohio. Hancock claims the monument and its incredible alignment could not have been made by the native Americans from the last few thousands of years because they lacked the skill/knowledge for something like it. Ok... photo shows an earth mound with snake figure on top. Curved body. Mouth open, about to swallow an egg that's off center to its mouth. How on earth does he know what it is 'precisely aligned' with? Is the general direction of the body pointing somewhere? Or the center of the mouth? Or the egg? Or a line from center of mouth to center of egg? If you're getting frustrated trying to picture what i mean, that's how i felt trying to find Hancock's logic on this one. You can make that monument point to about 60 degrees of sky if not more. Wtf?!
Loved listening to all these experts speak about what they know and study, I especially enjoyed Victor Baker talking about the flooding, very interesting!
Every time I watch one of your interesting videos on the topic, I will have my yt timeline flooded again with the pseudoscience people. I will basically have to click "not interested" on like 10 videos featuring Mr. G.H. until my yt timeline will be at peace again.
A thing with the Megafauna, after researching and watching a ton of documentaries recently, it is very likely humans and possibly climate caused a lot of the extinctions (at the very least those were factors that caused these extinctions). You pick a place and when homo-sapiens appeared and you will see extinction. Like Australia you Megalania, Thylacoleo, Procoptodon, Diprotodon, doedicurus, etc and they all disappear around the same time (within like 40000 years(, even New Zealand which is nearby you see like 11 species of Moas go extinct with Haast's eagle. You go to NA and around this Younger Dryas period you see Smilodon, giant beaver, mammoths, mastodons, gomphotheres, giant short-faced bears, dire wolf, American Lion, etc all disappear within a short time. You can even see within the last 500 years when humans were in contact with Dodo birds on the island near Madagascar. Even an animal like Thylacine was hunted down within the last 100 years. Don't think it was a result from a comet.
The Moa were eaten out of existence and being the Haast Eagles main snack, they died off as a result, along with some help from the locals due to the fact they'd lunch on children as well.
No doubt that humans played a part. We just don't know how big a part, and what causes temperature changes like the younger dryas. One thing missing in this video that makes things more complicated is that 14500 years ago there was a sharp rise in temperature. 14000 years ago a sharp drop. Then a rise, a drop and another rise. Only then begins the younger dryas, which is just the lowest temperature point in a series of rise and falls starting 14500 years ago. To make it worse, over the last 100000 years there are several of these up and down and up and down..... moments. No doubt the impact theorists see this as evidence of cyclical asteroid showers, but it may point to a cycle during ice ages that we do not yet understand but is natural to the planet.
The thing many people forget about animals and climate change, is that climate change can also be beneficial for one species and not the other, like how the buffalo immensely out competed horses in North America, as the native Americans didn’t hunt horses to extinction, they were just heavily out competed by the rising buffalo population. Causation doesn’t equal correlation, in some places it MAY look like humans hunted a species to extinction, and no doubt it has happened. But I would hesitate to say each and every one, or even most, was due to humans hunting them to that end.
Add to the list the possibility of new diseases being brought over from Asia when the land bridge opened. We know from our recorded human history how devastating disease can be especially to new regions who have no immunity to them.
I think I understood the point about the comet not being physically able to explode in space and that is because the explosion can't happen in an environment with no oxygen. Right?
This was great, thanks! Great to hear viewpoints from actual scientists who quite often don’t get the recognition they deserve. Baker was outstanding with his thoughts on the philosophy of science. Spot on!
@@celsus7979actually he started out writing about the Ark of the Covenant and, I think, Templar knights in africa. Then jumped on the atlantis bandwagon with fingerprints of the gods and earth crust displacement. It was later that he jumped on the bandwagon pushing for megaliths on mars. After blurry photos of piles of rock from the mars mission started bring pushed as megaliths by publications like the National Enquirer. Impact hypothesis is the bandwagon that he later jumped on when he needed something new and shiny to wave. The real recent nutjobbery is the shift toward intangible psychic stuff in the absence of material evidence. .
Can anyone show how scientists are invested in gradualism to the point of denying catastrophic change? On the contrary I’ve seen geologists talk about landslides and floods. I can’t figure out how anyone would get paid to not believe in these things. Yet the people who do the actual work of geology and paleontology are denigrated en masse by these non-scientists all the time.
I asked chatgpt if Hancock's claim that science still holds this position is true. (It's not faultless but pretty reliable when asked about scientific consensus) "The concept of uniformitarianism-that geological processes occur at a consistent rate over time-has evolved, particularly in the 20th and 21st centuries. While the principle itself remains a cornerstone of modern geology, the strict interpretation of gradualism has largely been replaced by a more nuanced view. Modern understanding: Geologists now recognize that geological events can occur at different rates. While gradual processes (like erosion, sedimentation, and volcanic activity) are still important, catastrophic events (such as asteroid impacts, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions) have played significant roles in shaping Earth's geology. This shift is known as "actualism", where it’s understood that the principles of uniformitarianism apply, but the rates and nature of processes may vary. When did this shift happen? The shift away from strict gradualism became prominent in the late 20th century, especially after the 1980s with the acceptance of concepts like plate tectonics, mass extinction events (e.g., the impact hypothesis for the extinction of the dinosaurs), and recognition of episodic catastrophic events. By the early 2000s, uniformitarianism was still foundational, but the understanding that rates and processes could vary was widely accepted in the field. In summary, the strict interpretation of uniformitarianism has been outdated since the late 20th century, with the broader understanding of geological processes incorporating both gradual and catastrophic events." Unless chatgpt is way off, Hancock is once again presenting outdated scientific opinions as the current concensus. This use of a strawman argument is what he does to make the sciencists seem like bad faith actors so he in contrast seems the reasonable one. These are rhetorical tricks and manipulations, not misjudgements, by Hancock that form a pattern throughout his work.
Honestly nobody knows exactly what happened in the past. We can do detailed research to try and get a clearer picture but noone has the whole picture. What theories we have today will 100% be different in the future. Our methods for improving what we can find out grows all the time.
Every anti-science movement strawman's the current scientific consensus in a field as being some old idea and disproofs that old idea, and by so doing claims to discredit the modern scientific consensus. So Hancock claims that uniformitarianism is the current scientific consensus, but that was the major idea 150 years or so ago, and thus he created a strawman out of a real scientific theory and that is fairly easy to discredit. Creationists do the same with evolutionary theory, they discredit certain ideas put forward by Darwin or some other biologist 150 years ago that has since been proven false and then say, "See the evolution theory has been proven false, yet these dogmatic scientists still believe it!" Because they can't refute (or frankly even understand) the current ideas, they have to disproof old ideas as if they are the currently held ideas. I think a big part of it is that these people are so used to thinking dogmatically that they project this on the scientific communities. Hancock has had his idea for 40+ years now I believe and he has seen loads of evidence that disproofs it, but he cherry-picks the bits of archaeological research that he thinks lines up and looks at it in that light, that is textbook dogmatic thinking. Creationists of course follow religious dogma. I know a guy that is a climate change denier and every piece of evidence against his idea is swatted aside and he just focuses on that which confirms his ideas, that is dogmatic thinking... And because the scientific community doesn't agree with them they project their own failings on the scientific community as an explanation for why science doesn't want to accept their ideas...
Sea levels rose 400 feet over the last 20,000 years. I'm not saying this has anything to do with comet impacts. I just feel this is a good place to inform people that climate change is indeed real, bigger and more recent than they might have considered, and not always caused by suburban moms driving SUVs.
@@AlbertaGeek Let's do the math: 400 ft / 20,000 years = .02 ft/yr. x 100 = 2 ft/century. Which is roughly on par with the dire warnings we face. But there were also "pulses" of meltwater in that period, when the rates were even higher.
@@chrimony _"2 ft/century"_ IOW, less than a quarter of an inch a year. _"[..] when the rates were even higher"_ Yes, those devastating times when the sea level rose an astonishing ten times as quickly. Slice it any way you want, but it still wasn't a catastrophe in any sense of the word to any coastal-based civilization, primitive or advanced. Any natural event that can be out-run by a snail isn't a threat.
Population growth=bountiful food followed by famine. They ate all the mammoths etc at the end of the Pleistocene. And a big population migrated to find food.
Wow today I learned there isn’t even evidence for the comet I’ve heard so much about. I never thought we lost an advanced civilization but to learn not even the comet was real is wild.
@@Apollo1011 No he said it was probably from around 54 million years ago. So way earlier than the Young Dryas. And the guys in the group(that dont want to show their evidence!?) says that it is airbust that happened during the Young Dryas. The group just dont want to show their evidence for that event.
@@Apollo1011we know it isn't. That's Hiawatha crater and that claim was based on its young appearance alone. Follow-up work was done and it's FAR older. It's why they stopped talking about it.
Im happy to see geologists chime in. I've asked a few about this topic but they seemed reluctant to address it publicly. It was cool to see geogirl! Great collaboration over all too. I had a bit of hope to see Nick Zentner lol but I wasn't let down by the other guests at all. Great video Doc, well done.
@@Tony_TheAncientWorldReimagined There is overwhelming evidence for a round Earth. There is overwhelming evidence for the heliocentric model. There is overwhelming evidence for evolution. There is overwhelming evidence for both special and general relativity. There is no evidence whatsoever for any younger Dryas impact events, much less an advanced civilisation having been wiped out by them.
I am just old enough to remember when it was still somewhat a mystery what happened to the dinosaurs. It’s funny to watch as “impact from space” went from interesting speculation to being the go-to explanation for any “mysterious change” in the past. I was reading the book version of Carl Sagan’s Cosmos a week or two ago and Sagan has a bit where he talks about the different ideas and mentions an asteroid or comet impact as an “interesting idea” but we needed an impact site to say if it was a valid hypothesis. The answer is much the same. It would be VERY obvious if such an impact happened. That isn’t to say that it is impossible, but there would be a layer of space material in the geological strata and the impact crater would very much still be there. If 66 million years under the Gulf of Mexico is not enough to weather away that impact, then we would definitely know of there was such an impact by the crater if we found it.
It was a logical (in the minds of people like Hancock) step to jump on the idea of an impact event. He could only get so much mileage in terms of selling books using earth crust shift as the event that destroyed the civilization. If YDIH continues to gets shot down it wouldn't surprise me if 80 year old graham starts pushing solar flares or some such thing that wiped things out. Nor would it surprise me if he ends up jumping back on the ancient aliens bandwagon. His fans tend to be the species with amnesia so they will buy whatever new flavor he pushes while forgetting hiw much BS he has thrown against the wall over the last 30 years hoping that something would stick.
@dstinnettmusic -- Research has come quite a way since you looked into this. --------- The crater was identified some years ago in the Gulf of Mexico not far from the coast. Shocked quartz was found. As for the effects, they were global. The air heated dramatically, forest fires were widespread, tsunamis enveloped the Earth. Water swept up the North American inland sea and drowned untold numbers of poor critters, hence the bone beds of Montana, etc. Even THE ACTUAL LAYER of the impact has been identified - below that layer, there are dino fossils; above the layer, no more dinos. --------- _NOVA_ (not here on their YT channel, though - on their actual site) has an episode on researching the impact crater and a two-parter on the day the meteor hit. This YT video shows the effects of the impact moment by moment and how many people would die if it hit today - "Chicxulub Impact Event in real time". This YT video explains the resulting tsunami - "Chicxulub Tsunami-2.mov".
The alternative research people (of which I am one) have been very disingenious in their insinuating that all geologist who disagree with their views are uniformatarians the same applies to lost civ researchers who accuse archeologists of being 'close minded' when both groups cherry pick only that which adds strength to their beliefs, their is space for all when it comes to looking at earth's history, but only if they are being objective (science can be very biased at times) great work doc, by God you are working hard to educate us and we luv you for it❤
If you'd like to know more about the channeled scablands, glacial lake Missoula and the truly spectacular evidence left in the landscape of the absolutely colossal ice age megafloods then go find Nick Zentner's channel. Go back a couple years or so and you'll find some amazing videos that'll have your jaw hitting the ground. Sand ripples like the sea leaves on the beach, but big enough to farm, many square kilometres of bare rock, scoured by water removing all the topsoil, pits you could hide double decker buses in cut by swirling vortices of water ect. ect. I'm in the UK and live just a few miles from the same type of landscape, but sadly it's all under the water of the English Channel now. Check out Imperial College London's "Megaflood: How Britain became an Island".
@@Aengus42 Nick is a gem. And his stuff on Baja/BC is a good example of the fact that you can be controversial in science and not be labeled pseudoscience as long as the scientific methods are being followed.
I think climate change shows at least the possibility of ancient civilizations - maybe not being “advanced” but certainly large, organized civilizations with many thousands of people could have been totally lost due to cataclysm or climate change. You can’t say there’s no way you can say for sure, there wasn’t a village of serval thousand people in doggerland, or in the Indonesian seas - places that are now covered by ocean, but had land just a couple thousand years ago. Also ancient civilizations are being discovered all the time. The Cucuteni civilization around Ukraine and Romania was just discovered around 100 years ago. They had cities of 50,000 people and first started around 7,000 years ago. This civilization deserves to be discussed and known just like Mediterranean or midddle eastern ancient civilizations. Nobody knew about them! I don’t think there are any super advanced ancient civilizations like Stargate around 😂. However ancient civilizations of remarkable size and population, and unique art could possibly have existed which had been totally wiped out by cataclysms, or climate change etc. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy or tin foil talk to say there a probability or even high possibility of such civilizations having been present.
29 minutes in, I see what you’re getting at with the question but it seems to misrepresent the position of the person you’re trying to explore the position of. Carlson doesn’t claim that the meteor hitting the ice caused a global flood, he claims it helped melt the ice over northern North America creating the Great Lakes. The lady even seems to attempt to draw you back to the point “a GLOBAL flood?”
You go and ask Carlson about the global flood myths and see if he equates them with this event. And ask him if he thinks catastrophic floods occurred around the world.
@@WorldofAntiquity I don’t know him, but I listened to what he said and you misrepresented it. Yes he believes there were floods in multiple places over a long time period, but this is specific. I can’t believe that is your reply. At least now I can go back to trusting no one.
@@CraigTravis You just claimed he misrepresents Carlson, then admitted you don't know Carlson, then cried about not trusting anyone. Does that include your memory?
Professor Miano, i want to thank you for these educational materials, and most of all to congratulate you for always challenging these conmen with grace and scientific facts, and never use agressive or offensive language. It's such a pleasure to listen to you. Best regards, from a silly person who once believed that Graham and Randall were legit. ❤
First we need to leave the ancient civilization out of this conversation for now none of what I will say will back this theory. What I will show is that this event which lasted for a few years or more is the most likely cause of the climate change in the northern hemisphere during the Younger Dyras. Ok so you did a reasonable job in questioning the geologist. The problem is you did not understand the theory to begin with. The theory is not that a comet broke apart in the atmosphere but rather that a very large comet hundreds of miles across broke apart in space a very long time ago. Over time this debris spread out into a debris field with thousands of asteroids some small some as large as the Arizona meteor and some much larger than that up to 1 to many km wide. Now today we pass through the Taurid meteor field in late fall every year which most believe is the trail of Comet 2P/Encke. However they also believe that comet is just a fragment of a much larger comet that was hundreds of miles across and broke apart approximately 20,000 years ago. Now imagine the earth passing through a field that is not made up of thousands of mini pebbles and dust but rather hundreds of asteroids with diameters ranging from a foot to a kilometer and now imagine it happening every year for two or three years. This is the basis of the YDIH. Why then and not now you ask? Why was the Earth going through this large debris field then and not now you ask? A very good question! the answer is simple the every changing shape and orientation of Earth's orbit around the sun is the answer. Not only does the earths orbit get more elliptical over time it also changes its orbit relative to the solar equatorial plane. Right now we are at 7.25 degrees in June we are right at the equatorial plane and in December again. So we go 7.25 above and below the plane we also go further away from the sun over time as our orbit goes more elliptical We are believed to be at the peak now of 7.25 but it is declining by 1.4 degrees every 10,000 years. all this means that 12,800 years ago we did not travel through the same regions of space each year that we do today. Is there any evidence to support other arms or branches of the Comet 2P/Encke debris field or what we call the Taurid meteor field that have much larger objects in it. The answer is yes in fact they did find a new one in 2017. More recent research has suggested that there a large swarm of larger objects up to 300 meters in length or more hidden in the Taurid debris field. In fact there are many streams with different elliptical paths. It is now believed that the Tunguska event was as a result of passing through this newly discovered branch in 1908 we will again pass through this branch in 2035 and 2036. this air burst was to believed to be as much as 50 megaton explosion. Now I am by know means saying we will have another event in 2035 or 2036 what I am saying that if we did get hit by dozens or hundreds of this size objects over a few year period it would be devastating to the climate cycles on earth especially if it melted large amounts of northern ice thus altering the North Atlantic current. Is there evidence of multiple small asteroid hits in this time frame and once again the answer is yes there is. By way of burn mat layers rare earth metal layers and tell tail melted rock beads known as Impactites at more than 2 dozen locations around the northern hemisphere. Never mind the fact that much of the Northern hemisphere was ice at this time and no impact site would be found. As I said at the start none of this proves some lost civilization what it does do is provide very real evidence to explain the climate shift that happened at the start of the Younger Dryas period
Impact on ice ejects h20 into the atmosphere which warms the planet. Let us know when you find a crater or some evidence of catastrophic impact, not just general cosmic flux.
@@gravitonthongs1363 Well that is just a plain ridiculous statement. Tell you what find me the crater in Siberia from 1908 which leveled thousand of square miles of forest and set it ablaze pumping so much ash into the air. Or in Cheblansk from the 2013 meteor that air burst blowing out windows in a 200,000 square KM area. Damaging 7,200 buildings injuring 1,400 people. it was only 19 meters wide and it exploding with a force equal to 30 times that of the Hiroshima bomb. Where is the Creator?????? My Gosh the pure lack of intellectual thought that spews out sometimes is hard to fathom.
@WorldofAntiquity Yes I did. Here is the problem I see with this video. It was not a true "investigation" of this theory. Through little comments the creator lets you know early on he thinks this is a joke. He then finds opponents to the theory and interviews them. These attacks on a new or opposing theory always have similar elements to them. The most common is to throw the "pseudo-science" label at it because that discredits the theory by saying you have to be an idiot to believe this without actually saying that. Second is they will take an aspect of the theory misrepresent it and then mock it by saying it is impossible. I will give you one example of this from Mark Boslogh's "interview" at 43.33 he states that none of what is proposed could have happened because it is "physically impossible" he then goes on to say "explosions in outer space comet explosions are physically impossible" this is a total misrepresentation of what is said in the theory. Not one of the credible scientists that back this theory say comets exploded in space. Here is the theory. The theory is that a very large comet over one hundred miles across broke apart in space a very long time ago. Most likely from dynamic pressure from its close in path by the sun. As many comets do when they approach large gravity sources. Take the Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 comet that hit Jupiter, it broke apart into a trail of 9 pieces that hit jupiter one after another Hmmm sounds alot like a theory we are discussing doesn't it. The fact he talks about Shoemaker as this great guy and then later mocks the idea of a comet breaking apart in space and calls it "physically impossible" tells you all you need to know about this man's bias and evaporates all his credibility in a second. Back to what most of the astro physic community believes about the Taurid meteor stream and its creation. Over time this debris spread out into a debris field with thousands of asteroids some small, some as large as the Tunguska meteor and some much larger than that from 1 to many km wide. Now today we pass through the Taurid meteor field in June and in late fall every year which most believe is the trail of Comet 2P/Encke. However, they also believe that comet is just a fragment of a much larger comet that was a hundred plus miles across and broke apart approximately 20,000 years ago. Orbital dynamics studies of hundreds of NEA (Near Earth Asteroids) proves this theory out. Mark then goes on to try an discredit the peer review papers saying that they used a sketchy means by just finding scientists that back the theory. This statement is sooooo laughable. Like somehow those accredited scientists that back the theory are less reputable than him less honorable than him and of lesser moral character than him and the video creator's "investigation" of this theory. So, as we see these two people have employed the standard technique of those in a given field that oppose a given theory. Brand it pseudo-science, misrepresent the theory, and belittle or insinuate less than honorable morals of those that support it.
I respect your persistance to keep explaining, while needing to explain the scientific method in the same sentence. It must feel like you need to present scientific data, and at the same time explain why it is important, and how you would be able to interpret it. Thanks for your videos david
@pro-xn3id I prefer evidence. Not the strategy of people who travel, then speak directly to the public to avoid expert scrutiny and make dollars at the same time.
That is like saying you want Trekkies who have only watched the movies and television to debate an Astrophysicist about planetary orbital dynamics...........
In your uniformitarianism vs catastrophism section, your guest is talking about catastrphes occuring avery 4 to 5 million years (she says so, around 17 minutes in). I don't support the implications Hancock derives, but I notice that the type of catastrophes he's talking about (such as 12k years ago) are much lesser yet much more common. Civilizations are fragile - it doesn't require an extinction level event to end a civilization. So, it's irrelevant to discuss the types of catastrophes that seem only to have occurred before the advent of modern humans. I think there's more likely to be common solutions to common problems, as well as dispersion, rather than an ice age global hegemony, but to play devil's advocate... if there WAS a singular cultural influence back then, maybe it was snaller - globally nomadic rather than a global empire. If they were boat people, you wouldn't find much detritus. Back then, travelers almost by definition would be more advanced than isolated groups... the sum of the best tech of the peoples they'd visited. A tsunami, an airburst over them, a terrible storm out to sea... it wouldn't take THAT much to wipe out such a group. OTOH, you'd think we'd have found at least an anomalous ship or 2, if there really was such a group. That's a long time to ask a wooden framed ship to survive... but you'd think there would be something somewhere, right? So, any speculation about such a society existing lacks any evidence. The Santorini eruption would ruin the people who lived on its caldera islands, so it's catastrophic in local historical terms, but it's not 1 of these 1 in 4 or 5 million year events. There could be prehistoric catastrophes that we underestimate or don't know about because they didn't leave a soot layer, or whatever evidence. Maybe the sun does stuff every so often, that we haven't figured out yet. I think the Unif vs Catas situation is more subtle than trrated here, that's all. I think it's sort of a straw man to focus on extinction level events. Now I'll get back to the video.
Once you start trying to explain the lack of evidence instead of the presence of evidence, you stop doing science. There is not one single piece of material evidence of any advanced prehistoric civilisation. When you find that first piece of evidence, then we can consider how they lived.
Two and a half hours of sarcastic commentary, ridicule and open mockery.... Not entertaining, and even slightly more than, nauseatingly, repulsive...you can do better.... I hope.
You are correct most of these comments are written by people with no education who think they are superior to those have a clue unfortunately you can.do any better
_"Two and a half hours of __-sarcastic commentary, ridicule and open mockery-__ discussing and critiquing a fringe hypothesis, which made Carlson and Hancock fanboys butthurt"_ *FIFY*
Seems like your point simply is if you’ve not accepted and reviewed the papers and studies then they don’t count whatsoever…? Ultimate master reviewer of science 😂 what a guy… another just next to dr.Fauchi and god himself 👍
You need to look into where those papers are coming from. The Comet Research Group is funded by a Young Earth Creationist group. Their latest paper on Abu Hureyra was found to have serious issues including photo manipulation. The Comet Research Group has a track record of fraud and unreproducible findings and using their own papers for support of which many like Firestone 2007 have been LONG debunked. Boslough here in this video had Allen West, founder of the Comet Research Group send him samples that West claimed was from 12,900 years ago but when independently tested came back as a few hundred years old. Boslough has his own web page dedicated to the YDIH and the MANY issues surrounding it.
Earth passes through the Taurid asteroid stream twice a year. That means rocks have been slamming into earth for a long time. When she says "1000's of catastrophes" she is correct. You have the Southern Taurids originated from Comet Encke, and the Northern Taurids come from the asteroid 2004 TG10, which could be a large chunk of Encke due to its similar orbital movement.
This is an outstanding breakdown. As a physician the “wow that looks (fill in the blank)” method utilized by the internet stars rather than utilizing a scientific method to breakdown the findings is annoying. Scientists need to engage these theories, it’s an opportunity to demonstrate the scientific method to an engaged audience.
Veritas et caritas recently did a video, "when to distrust scholarly journals," which dovetails with this nicely. It is also an excellent primer on how to determine the validity of scientific papers. The rapid increase of on-line journals has made it necessary to be much more deligent when verifying citations given. That's not to say on-line journals are necessarily bad sources, it's just important to check. The claim of being published in a peer reviewed journal doesn't necessarily mean what it's supposed to mean.
Very little specific data given. A few interesting points. A lot of smearing around of evidence. Is all I could see. If you didn't know that scientific processes and papers do not produce gospel, you may learn something.
Thanks so much for having me on! This was so much fun, and I appreciate what you are doing so much! This video is amazing, detailed, and so info-packed! Keep it up :D
I was already subscribed to you, but I'm sure you'll get many more after your appearance here.
Thanks! And everyone go subscribe to GeoGirl!
@@GEOGIRL Fun to see you here. I wonder where you'll turn up next.
You were fantastic Rachel, it really shows you love your work. Thank you
In your field of expertise do you look at the theory of our solar system travelling around our Milky Way galaxy and goes through areas of it’s journey that are full of meteor collision belts?
You are great in this show very informative 🎼🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Excellent video! Just started digging into this topic for my piece on Ancient Apocalypse S.2. Really well done and comprehensive work here. I will certainly be referring people to this video
Thanks, Milo!
Just replied to David on Twitter saying this but Graham and gang talking about Gobekli Tepe and the Younger Dryas really hooked me into the subject which turned me onto legitimate creators like you, Stefan Milo and David just to name a few so I really appreciate this video and this entire sphere of history and archaeology creators on TH-cam and elsewhere. You guys are great
You never replied to my email Milo
I hate how condescending this guy constantly sounds to me like he's just shitting on everyone that possibly thinks differently but if you liked this vid miny I'll actually give him another shot
@@killerjoker222 Its not just you, he IS condescending.
The younger dryas always need to be framed in an appropriate context.
It is only when taken our of this context that it can be framed as an "apocalypse"
Excellent work Dr.Miano
It would have been an apocalypse to ancient people. We don't have enough archeological and geological records to compare previous periods with this last younger dryas to state clearly that the comet/asteroid fragments hitting the surface of the planet would affect young civs in one way or the other. We have climate data which could speak to us passing through some sort of cloud of debris in our cycle in the solar system with some sort of super eccentric orbit. This is why I hate when people are quick to discredit theories like this which offer a glimpse to possible reoccurring events. Some periods there would be less debris depending on what part of the cycle we are in our yearly rotation. Some parts of the cycle we (the planet) end up in the middle of the stream. Does this coincide with the major extinction events with the dinos and otherwise? ....
North 02 your videos on the topic are excellent!
I recommend anybody with an interest to check them out.
@@unadultratedtrini the evidence to support the theory at best is microscopic and a lot of the information on the subject is being produced by the Comet Research Group with ties to Young Earth Creationism.
@swirvinbirds1971 the evidence I'm talking about is not meta analysis but rather research from geologist and historians on impacts from the period and glacial melt research in the America's and Europe.
@@unadultratedtrini a meteor shower does not explain the drastic temperature fluctuations of YD. They occur regularly and do not contribute significantly to temperature change.
Couldn't have dreamt of a better treatment than a 2 and half hour long video from Dr. Miano
What a treat! By the way, isn’t it odd that the only society/culture that was destroyed, happened to be the most advanced AND spread knowledge all over the world but ALSO destroyed all evidence of said culture?!
I agree. But, I’ll share the counter argument of the alternative history crowd.
The argument is that the more advanced a society, the more fragile it is and the more ephemeral its material culture is. M For example, if everyone in North America died, there would be very little left behind after just a few centuries. Most of our resources go into things that are burned or are made of materials that are archeologically invisible. Even most paper made in the last century won’t last very long since it’s made up of relatively fragile chemical bonds.
Our place in history is toilets and tires, because that’s all that’ll be found and people will never believe we had aircraft and world ending weapons.
Except there is, and will be, a massive amount of evidence of world ending weapons.
It is why WW2 marine war graves are being looted to provide low radiation steel.
History is written by the victors/survivors. Name how many history books today highlight the allies used mustard gas just as much as the germans. Even accidentally killing off their own armies with the gas due to wind reversals.
@@StoneInMySandal We find 500 000 year old wood huts.
But not a single evidence from something thats supposed to happen only 12000 years ago.
Fairytales for adults. Someone sells books and tours. Cash is king.
It's not beyond reasonable thought that if there was an advanced civ (for the period) and they were in a space where a rapid flood wipes away most of their civ and the rest of the survivors went on to travel the world and spread knowledge. They just dont have enough people to rebuilt and resettle so instead of keeping to themselves they shared realizing that they may not survive in that time. Also to note that countries didn't exist at that time. The world was built of city states with kings projecting power from one city outward onto surrounding lands. Compared to our current concept of territory holdings etc.
This guy Miano puts an incredible amount of work in to bring us this content …..we should all appreciate that and help him do his thing by liking and subscribing…❤
calm down
@@stennostenno1346i am sure you do allot for others for nothing …good luck
We should all comment too, my personal favorite is:
"For The Algorithm!"
@@stennostenno1346grumpy gus, you are.
Stefan is great, but David actually got me flipped around I used to watch Hancock and the guy from Australia, with David set me on the straight and narrow
How with so many views does this video have so few likes. I watch a lot of what you would call 'debunk' videos. Most with quite good content creators and I don't think I have seen one this good. I really appreciate the work you put into this. You are what Rogan needs.
Most who watch are not subbed and most who are subbed don't upvote. No idea why.
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Yeh no idea. But I know people that watch and enjoy videos and certain creators but they dont ever sub or like anything and i remember asking them why and they just shrugged and said they dunno they just don't.. So.. I still dont get why not when surely they'd want to support content creators they enjoy, doesn't take a second to like a video or sub to someone..
Perhaps a number of watchers are fanboys for the Younger Dryas "impact".
This was so wonderful and informative! Really appreciate you putting all the work into this and getting different experts to speak about the YDIH.
Doc, 2 and a half hours is incredible
This is immediately going in the playlist that i draw while listening to
I swear this man reads my mind. Really wanted to learn about this "Younger Dryas" topic but wanted to learn about it from a familiar face. Couldn't find it anywhere... Glad he's made this video now.
North 02 has a good video on it as well.
So you are biased 😂
It destroyed all evidence of Atlantis on psychedelics but flint handaxes were made of Invincibilium
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meteoric iron existed. This visit does not refute that, it is more workable than mined iron as it has high purity. Meteoric iron would put any small group or civ ahead of most others out of the impact period.
Another problem is that Nobody here has actually read T&C
@@unadultratedtrini that's just wrong, meteorite iron was in such small amounts it couldn't have amounted for serious technological or industrial leap, Tutankhamun made ceremonial DAGGERS out of "sky metal", not ploughs, armor, or wheel axles.
Commenting to hopefully boost this. Always appreciate the huge work you do and this is right up my alley
In ancient times, an advanced civilization had these advanced, precise machines that they used to make boxes and vases… and nothing else.
They dont leave behind monument, They dont leave a trace in genetic, they dont introduce plant species, or just leave us their writitng system, but they leave behind a road that goes to nowhere in the bahamas LOL
@@MEAT_EATER23yup now your getting it.
@@MEAT_EATER23Well ALL the stuff they made got totally destroyed by all sorts of things like asteroids and floods. One thing after another, and anything of any metal rusted. Anything of stone was crushed to powder It’s all gone!. However bones (only of hunter-gatherers and wild animals), primitive cave paintings, and hand-flaked stone tools DiD survive somehow.
Nonsense. They made beer too :D
They probably didn’t use machine maybe not much, they manipulated metals and nature
I love these myth series. Thank you for such a long and informative doc, I love the interviews from various experts. There isn’t too many places where you get that, and certainly not interviewed by someone else who has the expertise to know what to ask.
Fantastic job 👏👏👏
Stefan Milo's video about the Younger Dryas made me snap out of taking Graham Hancock and the likes seriously.
Good work learning the real science 🎉it’s work to study this stuff and to base your understanding on what we actually know as science should be carried out. People who drink that kool aid just don’t want to do the work to learn what we actually know
Safe to say you don't understand even a bit of younger dryas, you just want to be part of a bandwagon.
@@nexuscross3233and you're a hancocker?
Congrats, because honestly, it is hard to change your own mind about something, when you start believing in it!
Younger Dryas. I don't know about it. JSTOR has numerous articles on it. Seems to be the same topic the scholars are debating currently.
This is the video I’ve been waiting for! Thanks for dipping out of your area of expertise to cover this.
Is it odd that an advanced civilization spead its knowledge AFTER it collapsed rather than during its peak?
I know, right?
Homeless drifters who could only get teaching jobs.
Flying vehicles dropped off scrolls, duh.
@@WorldofAntiquity Thanks for touching on this subject! I like many others was intrigued by the YDI first by Randall Carlson who presented alot of evidence showing something catastrophic DID happen. The advanced civilization stuff is woo woo and its sad its been derailed by that.
@@TheMoneypresident .... while supporting their hallucinogenic habit...
Fantastic video. Thought I’d have to watch it in parts, but I got absorbed and blew through the whole thing. 😂
PhD Geologist/Geophysicist here. Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson once again, show their ignorance about geology. Geologists have no "vested interest" in slow, gradual processes, and Uniformitarianism does NOT describe this, but rather, it states that the processes we see operating at present occurred throughout the past. Hancock's and Carlson's statements imply that Geologists are not aware of floods, volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, landslides, tsunamis, etc. At least take a Geology course you guys.
Keep in mind that in the minds of the lunatic fringe taking an actual geology class would be dismissed as being brainwashed by the mainstream. And/or they dismiss geology as not being real science when they need a break from ragging on archaeology. Except when a published study in one of those fields is used to support hancock. Then it is back to being science.
They use certain geologists from the past that, who to be fair were sometimes sidelined because their new ideas seemed to extreme, or they didn't have enough evidence because the technical tools weren't available to them then to fully convince others at the time. The field is more open now, but Hancock etc act like its still the 1930's or before.
They also quote archeologists and scientists from the past whose understanding of certain things was obviously limited being 100 years + ago, they know that things have been updated but it wouldn't 'fit into the narrative' they are selling to have current facts in there.
That's how they paint the narrative. Of course they themselves don't have a dogma... 😂
The way they contrive the uniformitarianism and catastrophism debate as if it still a current unresolved problem in geology is laughable till you realise to whom they are preaching this crap.
*GASP* You mean Hancock _lied???!?_
[insert Fry meme here]
How could anyone possibly believe a 6,000 mile wide desert all the way to China is not natural,, there's absolutely no evidence an ancient Society exploded
*surprised pikachu*
Wow, that was some serious work you and your guests did there, that must have taken weeks to put together. Thanks for all the effort. I've been a catastrophist in the distant past, 40+ years ago. I got into Velikovsky for a summer in my late teens. It didn't take me long to leave that all behind and focus on far more solid science around catastrophes, but through the years I've checked into people like Sitchin, then Hankook, etc. to continue to debunk what they are saying. So, your work is spot on, thanks. I'm also a big fan of your Egyptology....
Great watch on a frosty Thursday morning. Plenty of grist for the mill. I will be viewing certain parts of this "symposium" numerous times to ensure at least a chance of proper comprehension. Knowledgeable guests with good information. Cheers!
"It's a long one."
Good I can keep coming back to it over the next few days.
I still go back to his videos on India. He's just such a charitable interlocutor to the people he's responding to.
Awesome, “charitable interlocutor” is fire. Can you write my comments for me, bc I recently wrote Dr. M is a “good interviewer” 🤦♂️. Ha, I need to level up. Seriously, Dr. M is not getting his flowers. I’m on his Patreon, which is as much as I can do. I just hope he’s cranking out this quality for years to come.
What fantastic guests, what a thorough handling of the material. Great job, man.
Great video David. I suspect someone will try to attack it and misrepresent things haha. Victor Baker is great btw, really enjoyed listening to him. Thanks👏🏻
Amazing episode, amazing guests. This one is like a gold mine.
"Scientists should never be absolute"
That is a profound statement that the general public, and especially journalists need to learn. Far too often they try to get absolute answers from scientists, and when the scientist nuances his answers that is taken as giving credence to absolute idiots spouting very definite garbage.
Because thats what *people* want. Answers. There is a lot money to be made in giving it to them.
Sure its dumb and yes, demanding quick and easy solutions to everything is how you get either wrong or scammed 100% of the time but this doesnt change the fact that this is how the human psyche works.
Just remember: from some branches of science, all we ever here is longwinded arguments and debates. Meanwhile other branches of science gave us rockets.
And if journalists and politicians dont give those answers to them, they are only glad to immediately move on to their religion/psychic/local cult leader who *will* and never read/care about anything related to science ever again
But it is us who want certainty. You can't blame journalists for bringing this message to the scientists.
@@SiqueScarface Journalists are responsible to interpret & translate that what specialists say. That is their literal job: explaining why something is newsworthy.
Nowadays, most journalists treat scientists like they are politicians. Which is NOT the fault of the scientists, but 100% that of the journalists.
@@TheEvertw No. Journalists are the people contributing to a journal, and journal is French for "daily". Journalists do whatever the readers of the daily magazin want it to be. Everything else is "there ought to be a law codifying my point of view."
@@SiqueScarface You are wrong.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards
Guests like this is what Metatron lacks, pure critical thinking and scientific approach
Yea watching his videos on Hancock kinda showed a lack of critical thinking outside his area of expertise.
Metatron is a linguist and they tend to be a bit Chomsky in the head. Like he openly said he wears CHAINMAIL under the shirt while going outside. A bloody medieval armor. Below clothing. When going to the supermarket, not cosplaying. This is cray-cray.
@@KasumiRINA I found his channel entertaining until all his reaction videos. Though wearing chainmail...if I had good chainmail I would probably also do that. I mean...come ON!! it's chainmail! I would wear the shit out of it! 😂 Plus cosplay outside history...now I find that cray-cray....
I like Metatron, I don't think he's a bad guy who holds questionable opinions, but I do think he's swayed by the audience he's gained on the back of legitimate critique of certain documentaries and historical drama programmes not reflecting history accurately.
The counter argument would be artistic licence for entertainment purposes. Nobody is calling for Ancient Aliens to be cancelled as it's absolute bollocks, but some go mental when black British nobility is shown in an historical drama. I mean, really?
As for his Graham coverage especially, he really does let a lot slide.
In his last video he said Graham should offer numbers to satisfy his need for digs which could reasonably rule out his hypothesis, yet didn't call out his double standards moments later. "I don't need to do a thing, but you do!" is 100% something you should call out, but nope.
@@KasumiRINA😂I saw when he said that. I thought; what if his enemy has an ice pick? 💀
This was awesome! Great interviews with these wonderful scholars. The breadth of their knowledge and delightful anecdotes of conversations with other experts they’ve known is a treat to listen to. Thank you!
Excellent work sir, you entertained and instructed me. Thanks for all the work you do.
What an amazing episode Dr Miano. Great conversations and insights.
This is my favourite controversial topic because I think Graham Hancock is full of shit, and that his grievance stems from his lack of understanding of the scientific method.
However, he is a great story teller and I really want the story he's telling to be true. So I get a constant rotation of new, interesting bullshit from Graham to sink into, and then great, also interesting refutations from the actual experts lol
I think Miano's last guest has it right. Hancock doesn't care about facts as much as making money and getting an audience. I'm sure he believes he is right anyway and once the 'truth' comes out he wants everybody to remember his 'genius', and that he therefor has the right to exaggerate and bend the evidence to fit the narrative.
@dOne14 - If Hancock had sold his books in the "Fiction" section where they belong, he could have been another Pratchett!
This video is excellent! Thank you for going to experts in the specific fields
I'm really looking forward to watching this
- thanks in advance.
Real impact of an episode! Great work!
Graham Hancock constantly accuses archaeologists that they intentionally ignore astronomical alignments and possible relationships with ancient sites. He also gaslights and talks over the top of people in his documentaries. The way he does things is he has an idea, then looks for evidence to support his idea, which is a very dangerous and extremely outdated approach to research because rather than judge what you see based on what you see, you instead use what you see to put evidence to what you already preconceived.
Are there groups and elements who are guilty of blocking and obstructing the progression of archaeological sites? Yes. Does it have anything to do with trying to "hide the truth", no. It's more a case of multiple layers of bureaucratic resulting from lobbyists or local governments being run by crazy, lazy or people who don't care or people who care more about money than discovery. Not all countries are democratic and not all countries are open to the idea of allowing archaeologists the freedoms they ask for, equally, not all places do either because of various groups barring further studies, such as native groups who oppose it, or the site being in a region which is a nature reserve, requiring permission, list goes on. There isn't a grand conspiracy Graham. It is just we live in a world where most countries have a say in what is and isn't allowed to be done in their soil, this isn't 1900 where the British Empire and France controls 60% of the entire world and it's citizens can do whatever they please on occupied soil.
Hancock's "suppression" narrative and the "vested interests" non-sense is all part of the sell.
Yeah those alignments.
Yesterday i took a hard look at aerial photos of the Serpent Mound in Ohio. Hancock claims the monument and its incredible alignment could not have been made by the native Americans from the last few thousands of years because they lacked the skill/knowledge for something like it.
Ok... photo shows an earth mound with snake figure on top. Curved body. Mouth open, about to swallow an egg that's off center to its mouth.
How on earth does he know what it is 'precisely aligned' with?
Is the general direction of the body pointing somewhere? Or the center of the mouth? Or the egg? Or a line from center of mouth to center of egg?
If you're getting frustrated trying to picture what i mean, that's how i felt trying to find Hancock's logic on this one. You can make that monument point to about 60 degrees of sky if not more. Wtf?!
Don't listen to him. I don't.
Loved listening to all these experts speak about what they know and study, I especially enjoyed Victor Baker talking about the flooding, very interesting!
I always enjoy this series... what a great way to start a Tuesday :)
Greetings from Sweden!
You, Sir, just got yourself a new subscriber and a like 🎉
Awesome. Welcome to the channel!
@WorldofAntiquity Glad i found it!
Every time I watch one of your interesting videos on the topic, I will have my yt timeline flooded again with the pseudoscience people. I will basically have to click "not interested" on like 10 videos featuring Mr. G.H. until my yt timeline will be at peace again.
Thanks!
And thank you!
About a third the way through and quite enjoying the interviews!
love the interviews, always is like a little extra treat 😎
A thing with the Megafauna, after researching and watching a ton of documentaries recently, it is very likely humans and possibly climate caused a lot of the extinctions (at the very least those were factors that caused these extinctions). You pick a place and when homo-sapiens appeared and you will see extinction. Like Australia you Megalania, Thylacoleo, Procoptodon, Diprotodon, doedicurus, etc and they all disappear around the same time (within like 40000 years(, even New Zealand which is nearby you see like 11 species of Moas go extinct with Haast's eagle. You go to NA and around this Younger Dryas period you see Smilodon, giant beaver, mammoths, mastodons, gomphotheres, giant short-faced bears, dire wolf, American Lion, etc all disappear within a short time. You can even see within the last 500 years when humans were in contact with Dodo birds on the island near Madagascar. Even an animal like Thylacine was hunted down within the last 100 years. Don't think it was a result from a comet.
The Moa were eaten out of existence and being the Haast Eagles main snack, they died off as a result, along with some help from the locals due to the fact they'd lunch on children as well.
No doubt that humans played a part. We just don't know how big a part, and what causes temperature changes like the younger dryas.
One thing missing in this video that makes things more complicated is that 14500 years ago there was a sharp rise in temperature. 14000 years ago a sharp drop. Then a rise, a drop and another rise. Only then begins the younger dryas, which is just the lowest temperature point in a series of rise and falls starting 14500 years ago. To make it worse, over the last 100000 years there are several of these up and down and up and down..... moments.
No doubt the impact theorists see this as evidence of cyclical asteroid showers, but it may point to a cycle during ice ages that we do not yet understand but is natural to the planet.
The thing many people forget about animals and climate change, is that climate change can also be beneficial for one species and not the other, like how the buffalo immensely out competed horses in North America, as the native Americans didn’t hunt horses to extinction, they were just heavily out competed by the rising buffalo population. Causation doesn’t equal correlation, in some places it MAY look like humans hunted a species to extinction, and no doubt it has happened. But I would hesitate to say each and every one, or even most, was due to humans hunting them to that end.
Add to the list the possibility of new diseases being brought over from Asia when the land bridge opened. We know from our recorded human history how devastating disease can be especially to new regions who have no immunity to them.
@@jaybe2908kinda like how rats stored away on ships would invade an island and absolutely destroy the native ecosystem.
Outstanding!... the video I needed but never new I wanted! Really good to have a comprehensive overview. Thanks!
Behind nearly every one of these organizations parading as scientists is a well-funded, RWNJ interest group attempting to delegitimize scholarship.
99% of the time because of religion
Well done 😊 good listening to actual experts about stuff that they KNOW & STUDY
More myths content!!! I am so excited! Sir, I need you to know I fall asleep to your videos every night!!!
@@childofgod7501 An insult wrapped in a compliment 😂😂
Oh! No! It's a compliment!!!
Doc, when you warn a video is a long one, you make me smile. Love your deep drives. LOVE them
Yay, Geo Girl crossover! Nice!
Just watching and it bodes well for the rest of the video.
Finally. This topic i have been waiting for. Hearing about this supposed comet impact from someone else than Carlson or Hancock. Thanks David!
I have been enjoying your videos since 2021
WOW, mega video, thank you Dr Miano!
I think I understood the point about the comet not being physically able to explode in space and that is because the explosion can't happen in an environment with no oxygen. Right?
Science will always be limited to what it knows at the moment
I've been patiently waiting with bated breath for another WOA video!
I expect this to be great...unfortunately it will probably not bring many of its believers to realize, that the theory has a ton of flaws.
This was great, thanks! Great to hear viewpoints from actual scientists who quite often don’t get the recognition they deserve.
Baker was outstanding with his thoughts on the philosophy of science.
Spot on!
It only took Hancock 35 years to find something to give his ideas plausibiity.
Short time on geological timescales! 😂
He begun his career in the alt-history field writing about Martian pyramids. He could only get closer to reality after that start 😆
@@celsus7979actually he started out writing about the Ark of the Covenant and, I think, Templar knights in africa. Then jumped on the atlantis bandwagon with fingerprints of the gods and earth crust displacement. It was later that he jumped on the bandwagon pushing for megaliths on mars. After blurry photos of piles of rock from the mars mission started bring pushed as megaliths by publications like the National Enquirer. Impact hypothesis is the bandwagon that he later jumped on when he needed something new and shiny to wave.
The real recent nutjobbery is the shift toward intangible psychic stuff in the absence of material evidence.
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Marvellous indeed. Excellent work, Dr. Miano.❤😊
Can anyone show how scientists are invested in gradualism to the point of denying catastrophic change? On the contrary I’ve seen geologists talk about landslides and floods. I can’t figure out how anyone would get paid to not believe in these things. Yet the people who do the actual work of geology and paleontology are denigrated en masse by these non-scientists all the time.
I asked chatgpt if Hancock's claim that science still holds this position is true. (It's not faultless but pretty reliable when asked about scientific consensus)
"The concept of uniformitarianism-that geological processes occur at a consistent rate over time-has evolved, particularly in the 20th and 21st centuries. While the principle itself remains a cornerstone of modern geology, the strict interpretation of gradualism has largely been replaced by a more nuanced view.
Modern understanding: Geologists now recognize that geological events can occur at different rates. While gradual processes (like erosion, sedimentation, and volcanic activity) are still important, catastrophic events (such as asteroid impacts, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions) have played significant roles in shaping Earth's geology. This shift is known as "actualism", where it’s understood that the principles of uniformitarianism apply, but the rates and nature of processes may vary.
When did this shift happen? The shift away from strict gradualism became prominent in the late 20th century, especially after the 1980s with the acceptance of concepts like plate tectonics, mass extinction events (e.g., the impact hypothesis for the extinction of the dinosaurs), and recognition of episodic catastrophic events. By the early 2000s, uniformitarianism was still foundational, but the understanding that rates and processes could vary was widely accepted in the field.
In summary, the strict interpretation of uniformitarianism has been outdated since the late 20th century, with the broader understanding of geological processes incorporating both gradual and catastrophic events."
Unless chatgpt is way off, Hancock is once again presenting outdated scientific opinions as the current concensus. This use of a strawman argument is what he does to make the sciencists seem like bad faith actors so he in contrast seems the reasonable one.
These are rhetorical tricks and manipulations, not misjudgements, by Hancock that form a pattern throughout his work.
Honestly nobody knows exactly what happened in the past. We can do detailed research to try and get a clearer picture but noone has the whole picture. What theories we have today will 100% be different in the future. Our methods for improving what we can find out grows all the time.
Every anti-science movement strawman's the current scientific consensus in a field as being some old idea and disproofs that old idea, and by so doing claims to discredit the modern scientific consensus. So Hancock claims that uniformitarianism is the current scientific consensus, but that was the major idea 150 years or so ago, and thus he created a strawman out of a real scientific theory and that is fairly easy to discredit.
Creationists do the same with evolutionary theory, they discredit certain ideas put forward by Darwin or some other biologist 150 years ago that has since been proven false and then say, "See the evolution theory has been proven false, yet these dogmatic scientists still believe it!" Because they can't refute (or frankly even understand) the current ideas, they have to disproof old ideas as if they are the currently held ideas.
I think a big part of it is that these people are so used to thinking dogmatically that they project this on the scientific communities. Hancock has had his idea for 40+ years now I believe and he has seen loads of evidence that disproofs it, but he cherry-picks the bits of archaeological research that he thinks lines up and looks at it in that light, that is textbook dogmatic thinking. Creationists of course follow religious dogma. I know a guy that is a climate change denier and every piece of evidence against his idea is swatted aside and he just focuses on that which confirms his ideas, that is dogmatic thinking... And because the scientific community doesn't agree with them they project their own failings on the scientific community as an explanation for why science doesn't want to accept their ideas...
I got a free college course from this video. Thank you for the work you put in and provide to us!
Sea levels rose 400 feet over the last 20,000 years. I'm not saying this has anything to do with comet impacts. I just feel this is a good place to inform people that climate change is indeed real, bigger and more recent than they might have considered, and not always caused by suburban moms driving SUVs.
And they rose very, very, slowly. Any coastal civilisations had plenty of time to pick up their things and saunter inland to higher ground.
@@AlbertaGeek Let's do the math: 400 ft / 20,000 years = .02 ft/yr. x 100 = 2 ft/century. Which is roughly on par with the dire warnings we face. But there were also "pulses" of meltwater in that period, when the rates were even higher.
@@chrimony _"2 ft/century"_
IOW, less than a quarter of an inch a year.
_"[..] when the rates were even higher"_
Yes, those devastating times when the sea level rose an astonishing ten times as quickly.
Slice it any way you want, but it still wasn't a catastrophe in any sense of the word to any coastal-based civilization, primitive or advanced. Any natural event that can be out-run by a snail isn't a threat.
@ I agree. I thought you were arguing on behalf of the modern-day "crisis".
Population growth=bountiful food followed by famine. They ate all the mammoths etc at the end of the Pleistocene. And a big population migrated to find food.
What a treat! Thank you for all the work you put into your videos.
Wow today I learned there isn’t even evidence for the comet I’ve heard so much about. I never thought we lost an advanced civilization but to learn not even the comet was real is wild.
One of the proponents said that there is a crater in Greenland with an age back to the Younger Dryas, but who knows if it is true.
@@Apollo1011 No he said it was probably from around 54 million years ago. So way earlier than the Young Dryas. And the guys in the group(that dont want to show their evidence!?) says that it is airbust that happened during the Young Dryas. The group just dont want to show their evidence for that event.
It wasn’t one but many “smaller” (still very large pieces) that hit multiple areas over some years.
@@Just.A.T-Rex we haven’t located one impact site let alone many
@@Apollo1011we know it isn't. That's Hiawatha crater and that claim was based on its young appearance alone. Follow-up work was done and it's FAR older. It's why they stopped talking about it.
Im happy to see geologists chime in. I've asked a few about this topic but they seemed reluctant to address it publicly. It was cool to see geogirl! Great collaboration over all too. I had a bit of hope to see Nick Zentner lol but I wasn't let down by the other guests at all. Great video Doc, well done.
So not only was there no advanced civilization, there was no comet impact.
Of course, the 6,000 Mi wide desert all the way to China is completely natural nothing Advanced blew up
There is plenty of Overwhelming evidence
@@Tony_TheAncientWorldReimagined Evidence of....?
@@morgan97475 of atlantis
@@Tony_TheAncientWorldReimagined There is overwhelming evidence for a round Earth. There is overwhelming evidence for the heliocentric model. There is overwhelming evidence for evolution. There is overwhelming evidence for both special and general relativity. There is no evidence whatsoever for any younger Dryas impact events, much less an advanced civilisation having been wiped out by them.
A tour-de-force investigation of the younger dryas hypothesis and its inadequacies. Thank you Dr. Miano.
I am just old enough to remember when it was still somewhat a mystery what happened to the dinosaurs.
It’s funny to watch as “impact from space” went from interesting speculation to being the go-to explanation for any “mysterious change” in the past.
I was reading the book version of Carl Sagan’s Cosmos a week or two ago and Sagan has a bit where he talks about the different ideas and mentions an asteroid or comet impact as an “interesting idea” but we needed an impact site to say if it was a valid hypothesis. The answer is much the same. It would be VERY obvious if such an impact happened. That isn’t to say that it is impossible, but there would be a layer of space material in the geological strata and the impact crater would very much still be there. If 66 million years under the Gulf of Mexico is not enough to weather away that impact, then we would definitely know of there was such an impact by the crater if we found it.
Its not under the gulf its on the peninsula
It was a logical (in the minds of people like Hancock) step to jump on the idea of an impact event. He could only get so much mileage in terms of selling books using earth crust shift as the event that destroyed the civilization. If YDIH continues to gets shot down it wouldn't surprise me if 80 year old graham starts pushing solar flares or some such thing that wiped things out. Nor would it surprise me if he ends up jumping back on the ancient aliens bandwagon.
His fans tend to be the species with amnesia so they will buy whatever new flavor he pushes while forgetting hiw much BS he has thrown against the wall over the last 30 years hoping that something would stick.
Impact was on the N.American ICE Sheets Glaciars. That why no Crater..😂
Not an Asteroid, it was Cometary Fragment chunks..my take !
@dstinnettmusic -- Research has come quite a way since you looked into this.
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The crater was identified some years ago in the Gulf of Mexico not far from the coast. Shocked quartz was found. As for the effects, they were global. The air heated dramatically, forest fires were widespread, tsunamis enveloped the Earth. Water swept up the North American inland sea and drowned untold numbers of poor critters, hence the bone beds of Montana, etc. Even THE ACTUAL LAYER of the impact has been identified - below that layer, there are dino fossils; above the layer, no more dinos.
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_NOVA_ (not here on their YT channel, though - on their actual site) has an episode on researching the impact crater and a two-parter on the day the meteor hit. This YT video shows the effects of the impact moment by moment and how many people would die if it hit today - "Chicxulub Impact Event in real time". This YT video explains the resulting tsunami - "Chicxulub Tsunami-2.mov".
The alternative research people (of which I am one) have been very disingenious in their insinuating that all geologist who disagree with their views are uniformatarians the same applies to lost civ researchers who accuse archeologists of being 'close minded' when both groups cherry pick only that which adds strength to their beliefs, their is space for all when it comes to looking at earth's history, but only if they are being objective (science can be very biased at times) great work doc, by God you are working hard to educate us and we luv you for it❤
If you'd like to know more about the channeled scablands, glacial lake Missoula and the truly spectacular evidence left in the landscape of the absolutely colossal ice age megafloods then go find Nick Zentner's channel. Go back a couple years or so and you'll find some amazing videos that'll have your jaw hitting the ground.
Sand ripples like the sea leaves on the beach, but big enough to farm, many square kilometres of bare rock, scoured by water removing all the topsoil, pits you could hide double decker buses in cut by swirling vortices of water ect. ect.
I'm in the UK and live just a few miles from the same type of landscape, but sadly it's all under the water of the English Channel now.
Check out Imperial College London's "Megaflood: How Britain became an Island".
@@Aengus42 Nick is a gem. And his stuff on Baja/BC is a good example of the fact that you can be controversial in science and not be labeled pseudoscience as long as the scientific methods are being followed.
@swirvinbirds1971 👍😎
Very good. This cleared up a lot of my questions.
I think climate change shows at least the possibility of ancient civilizations - maybe not being “advanced” but certainly large, organized civilizations with many thousands of people could have been totally lost due to cataclysm or climate change. You can’t say there’s no way you can say for sure, there wasn’t a village of serval thousand people in doggerland, or in the Indonesian seas - places that are now covered by ocean, but had land just a couple thousand years ago. Also ancient civilizations are being discovered all the time. The Cucuteni civilization around Ukraine and Romania was just discovered around 100 years ago. They had cities of 50,000 people and first started around 7,000 years ago. This civilization deserves to be discussed and known just like Mediterranean or midddle eastern ancient civilizations. Nobody knew about them! I don’t think there are any super advanced ancient civilizations like Stargate around 😂. However ancient civilizations of remarkable size and population, and unique art could possibly have existed which had been totally wiped out by cataclysms, or climate change etc. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy or tin foil talk to say there a probability or even high possibility of such civilizations having been present.
That is because they were present, GH is selling a different story.
Very excited to watch! 🎉
29 minutes in, I see what you’re getting at with the question but it seems to misrepresent the position of the person you’re trying to explore the position of.
Carlson doesn’t claim that the meteor hitting the ice caused a global flood, he claims it helped melt the ice over northern North America creating the Great Lakes.
The lady even seems to attempt to draw you back to the point “a GLOBAL flood?”
You go and ask Carlson about the global flood myths and see if he equates them with this event. And ask him if he thinks catastrophic floods occurred around the world.
Carlson isn't the only person who promotes the YDIH.
@@WorldofAntiquity I don’t know him, but I listened to what he said and you misrepresented it. Yes he believes there were floods in multiple places over a long time period, but this is specific.
I can’t believe that is your reply.
At least now I can go back to trusting no one.
@ If these flood occurred around the world in a narrow period of time, which is what Carlson says, then it can be called global flooding.
@@CraigTravis You just claimed he misrepresents Carlson, then admitted you don't know Carlson, then cried about not trusting anyone. Does that include your memory?
Professor Miano, i want to thank you for these educational materials, and most of all to congratulate you for always challenging these conmen with grace and scientific facts, and never use agressive or offensive language. It's such a pleasure to listen to you. Best regards, from a silly person who once believed that Graham and Randall were legit. ❤
First we need to leave the ancient civilization out of this conversation for now none of what I will say will back this theory. What I will show is that this event which lasted for a few years or more is the most likely cause of the climate change in the northern hemisphere during the Younger Dyras. Ok so you did a reasonable job in questioning the geologist. The problem is you did not understand the theory to begin with.
The theory is not that a comet broke apart in the atmosphere but rather that a very large comet hundreds of miles across broke apart in space a very long time ago. Over time this debris spread out into a debris field with thousands of asteroids some small some as large as the Arizona meteor and some much larger than that up to 1 to many km wide. Now today we pass through the Taurid meteor field in late fall every year which most believe is the trail of Comet 2P/Encke. However they also believe that comet is just a fragment of a much larger comet that was hundreds of miles across and broke apart approximately 20,000 years ago. Now imagine the earth passing through a field that is not made up of thousands of mini pebbles and dust but rather hundreds of asteroids with diameters ranging from a foot to a kilometer and now imagine it happening every year for two or three years. This is the basis of the YDIH.
Why then and not now you ask? Why was the Earth going through this large debris field then and not now you ask? A very good question! the answer is simple the every changing shape and orientation of Earth's orbit around the sun is the answer. Not only does the earths orbit get more elliptical over time it also changes its orbit relative to the solar equatorial plane. Right now we are at 7.25 degrees in June we are right at the equatorial plane and in December again. So we go 7.25 above and below the plane we also go further away from the sun over time as our orbit goes more elliptical We are believed to be at the peak now of 7.25 but it is declining by 1.4 degrees every 10,000 years. all this means that 12,800 years ago we did not travel through the same regions of space each year that we do today.
Is there any evidence to support other arms or branches of the Comet 2P/Encke debris field or what we call the Taurid meteor field that have much larger objects in it. The answer is yes in fact they did find a new one in 2017. More recent research has suggested that there a large swarm of larger objects up to 300 meters in length or more hidden in the Taurid debris field. In fact there are many streams with different elliptical paths. It is now believed that the Tunguska event was as a result of passing through this newly discovered branch in 1908 we will again pass through this branch in 2035 and 2036. this air burst was to believed to be as much as 50 megaton explosion. Now I am by know means saying we will have another event in 2035 or 2036 what I am saying that if we did get hit by dozens or hundreds of this size objects over a few year period it would be devastating to the climate cycles on earth especially if it melted large amounts of northern ice thus altering the North Atlantic current.
Is there evidence of multiple small asteroid hits in this time frame and once again the answer is yes there is. By way of burn mat layers rare earth metal layers and tell tail melted rock beads known as Impactites at more than 2 dozen locations around the northern hemisphere. Never mind the fact that much of the Northern hemisphere was ice at this time and no impact site would be found.
As I said at the start none of this proves some lost civilization what it does do is provide very real evidence to explain the climate shift that happened at the start of the Younger Dryas period
Did you watch the video?
Impact on ice ejects h20 into the atmosphere which warms the planet. Let us know when you find a crater or some evidence of catastrophic impact, not just general cosmic flux.
@@gravitonthongs1363 Well that is just a plain ridiculous statement. Tell you what find me the crater in Siberia from 1908 which leveled thousand of square miles of forest and set it ablaze pumping so much ash into the air. Or in Cheblansk from the 2013 meteor that air burst blowing out windows in a 200,000 square KM area. Damaging 7,200 buildings injuring 1,400 people. it was only 19 meters wide and it exploding with a force equal to 30 times that of the Hiroshima bomb. Where is the Creator?????? My Gosh the pure lack of intellectual thought that spews out sometimes is hard to fathom.
@WorldofAntiquity Yes I did. Here is the problem I see with this video. It was not a true "investigation" of this theory. Through little comments the creator lets you know early on he thinks this is a joke. He then finds opponents to the theory and interviews them. These attacks on a new or opposing theory always have similar elements to them. The most common is to throw the "pseudo-science" label at it because that discredits the theory by saying you have to be an idiot to believe this without actually saying that. Second is they will take an aspect of the theory misrepresent it and then mock it by saying it is impossible. I will give you one example of this from Mark Boslogh's "interview" at 43.33 he states that none of what is proposed could have happened because it is "physically impossible" he then goes on to say "explosions in outer space comet explosions are physically impossible" this is a total misrepresentation of what is said in the theory. Not one of the credible scientists that back this theory say comets exploded in space. Here is the theory.
The theory is that a very large comet over one hundred miles across broke apart in space a very long time ago. Most likely from dynamic pressure from its close in path by the sun. As many comets do when they approach large gravity sources. Take the Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 comet that hit Jupiter, it broke apart into a trail of 9 pieces that hit jupiter one after another Hmmm sounds alot like a theory we are discussing doesn't it. The fact he talks about Shoemaker as this great guy and then later mocks the idea of a comet breaking apart in space and calls it "physically impossible" tells you all you need to know about this man's bias and evaporates all his credibility in a second. Back to what most of the astro physic community believes about the Taurid meteor stream and its creation. Over time this debris spread out into a debris field with thousands of asteroids some small, some as large as the Tunguska meteor and some much larger than that from 1 to many km wide. Now today we pass through the Taurid meteor field in June and in late fall every year which most believe is the trail of Comet 2P/Encke. However, they also believe that comet is just a fragment of a much larger comet that was a hundred plus miles across and broke apart approximately 20,000 years ago. Orbital dynamics studies of hundreds of NEA (Near Earth Asteroids) proves this theory out.
Mark then goes on to try an discredit the peer review papers saying that they used a sketchy means by just finding scientists that back the theory. This statement is sooooo laughable. Like somehow those accredited scientists that back the theory are less reputable than him less honorable than him and of lesser moral character than him and the video creator's "investigation" of this theory.
So, as we see these two people have employed the standard technique of those in a given field that oppose a given theory. Brand it pseudo-science, misrepresent the theory, and belittle or insinuate less than honorable morals of those that support it.
I respect your persistance to keep explaining, while needing to explain the scientific method in the same sentence. It must feel like you need to present scientific data, and at the same time explain why it is important, and how you would be able to interpret it. Thanks for your videos david
This smells like a smear piece. Get the Randell and Graham on here and debate them instead of laugh at them.
Those 2 have no relevance to legitimate historical research.
@ it’s literally what they have dedicated their entire lives too. You are just obsessed with a piece of paper.
@pro-xn3id I prefer evidence. Not the strategy of people who travel, then speak directly to the public to avoid expert scrutiny and make dollars at the same time.
That is like saying you want Trekkies who have only watched the movies and television to debate an Astrophysicist about planetary orbital dynamics...........
@@pro-xn3id It literally is not.
So happy to be introduced to your channel, well done!
Glad you found me!
In your uniformitarianism vs catastrophism section, your guest is talking about catastrphes occuring avery 4 to 5 million years (she says so, around 17 minutes in). I don't support the implications Hancock derives, but I notice that the type of catastrophes he's talking about (such as 12k years ago) are much lesser yet much more common. Civilizations are fragile - it doesn't require an extinction level event to end a civilization. So, it's irrelevant to discuss the types of catastrophes that seem only to have occurred before the advent of modern humans.
I think there's more likely to be common solutions to common problems, as well as dispersion, rather than an ice age global hegemony, but to play devil's advocate... if there WAS a singular cultural influence back then, maybe it was snaller - globally nomadic rather than a global empire. If they were boat people, you wouldn't find much detritus. Back then, travelers almost by definition would be more advanced than isolated groups... the sum of the best tech of the peoples they'd visited. A tsunami, an airburst over them, a terrible storm out to sea... it wouldn't take THAT much to wipe out such a group.
OTOH, you'd think we'd have found at least an anomalous ship or 2, if there really was such a group. That's a long time to ask a wooden framed ship to survive... but you'd think there would be something somewhere, right? So, any speculation about such a society existing lacks any evidence.
The Santorini eruption would ruin the people who lived on its caldera islands, so it's catastrophic in local historical terms, but it's not 1 of these 1 in 4 or 5 million year events. There could be prehistoric catastrophes that we underestimate or don't know about because they didn't leave a soot layer, or whatever evidence. Maybe the sun does stuff every so often, that we haven't figured out yet. I think the Unif vs Catas situation is more subtle than trrated here, that's all. I think it's sort of a straw man to focus on extinction level events. Now I'll get back to the video.
Once you start trying to explain the lack of evidence instead of the presence of evidence, you stop doing science. There is not one single piece of material evidence of any advanced prehistoric civilisation. When you find that first piece of evidence, then we can consider how they lived.
Look at the malinkovitch cycles, there are many
This is one of your best videos yet
But sadly it won't change the doubters minds
Keep doing what you're doing
yes, sadly, it won't. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves in to.
Two and a half hours of sarcastic commentary, ridicule and open mockery.... Not entertaining, and even slightly more than, nauseatingly, repulsive...you can do better.... I hope.
You are correct most of these comments are written by people with no education who think they are superior to those have a clue unfortunately you can.do any better
_"Two and a half hours of __-sarcastic commentary, ridicule and open mockery-__ discussing and critiquing a fringe hypothesis, which made Carlson and Hancock fanboys butthurt"_
*FIFY*
Great information, as usual. Thanks David!
Seems like your point simply is if you’ve not accepted and reviewed the papers and studies then they don’t count whatsoever…? Ultimate master reviewer of science 😂 what a guy… another just next to dr.Fauchi and god himself 👍
You need to look into where those papers are coming from. The Comet Research Group is funded by a Young Earth Creationist group. Their latest paper on Abu Hureyra was found to have serious issues including photo manipulation.
The Comet Research Group has a track record of fraud and unreproducible findings and using their own papers for support of which many like Firestone 2007 have been LONG debunked.
Boslough here in this video had Allen West, founder of the Comet Research Group send him samples that West claimed was from 12,900 years ago but when independently tested came back as a few hundred years old. Boslough has his own web page dedicated to the YDIH and the MANY issues surrounding it.
Love the film length documentary sir! This is brilliant thank you!
Thanks for the content. Keep fighting the good fight.
Excellent: very thorough!
Thank you, that was very interesting, and very useful.
Thank you for all your hard work!!
Earth passes through the Taurid asteroid stream twice a year. That means rocks have been slamming into earth for a long time. When she says "1000's of catastrophes" she is correct. You have the Southern Taurids originated from Comet Encke, and the Northern Taurids come from the asteroid 2004 TG10, which could be a large chunk of Encke due to its similar orbital movement.
🎉🎉🎉 gift on a snow day!!! Thanks Dr. MIANO
This is an outstanding breakdown. As a physician the “wow that looks (fill in the blank)” method utilized by the internet stars rather than utilizing a scientific method to breakdown the findings is annoying. Scientists need to engage these theories, it’s an opportunity to demonstrate the scientific method to an engaged audience.
Thanks you for this greatly needed video
Thanks so much for investing the time it took for this terribly informative presentation.
Dr. Phillips interview? Excellent.
One of the best videos out there ❤
Veritas et caritas recently did a video, "when to distrust scholarly journals," which dovetails with this nicely. It is also an excellent primer on how to determine the validity of scientific papers. The rapid increase of on-line journals has made it necessary to be much more deligent when verifying citations given. That's not to say on-line journals are necessarily bad sources, it's just important to check. The claim of being published in a peer reviewed journal doesn't necessarily mean what it's supposed to mean.
Fantastic work, Doc
You had me at Younger Dryas. Really looking forward to going down this rabbit whole with a proper skeptic. To separate the baloney from the bread.
Very little specific data given. A few interesting points. A lot of smearing around of evidence. Is all I could see.
If you didn't know that scientific processes and papers do not produce gospel, you may learn something.