DeDunking Channel SLAMS One of My Videos!
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- Dan Richards of the DeDunking Channel rips into me for saying I don't believe in a lost advanced civilization. Watch my reaction in this video.
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"There is a lot of stuff that shouldn't be there. For example..." [picks two examples from historical times, perfectly aligned to the tech and the knowledge of the time in that region]
"I'm not saying that they were some gifts for advanced civilizations, I'm not trying to lump them with all that stuff... My point is that there are lots of things technologically out of place"
So why did you pick them as examples, Dan? Can't you use any _real_ examples of ancient advanced technology?
When Dan isn't busy intentionally misrepresenting what someone says, he's making arguments that are completely irrelevant. He had 2 run-ins with @potholer54 that makes me think he's delusional.
Well, the thing about that "Antikmatera" mechanism, or whatever it is called (that rusty piece of crap with gears and shit), is that it is not at all an "Out of Place-object."
But I can understand why that idea is "out there" (because most people aren't that interested in eating Ancient Greek texts.
The ancient Greeks, they themself did write quite a lot about how they could use mechanical technology, with gears and shit. They even built "mechanical robots" ("automatons") in the lioness of everything from human beings to flying birds, and most things in-between I am sure of.
They even speculated about what could happen is some Ruler got hold of a "super advanced War-Robot with Artificial Intelligens, far superior to humans).
And they came to a conclusion, that it wouldn't matter at all if that ruler was a "friendly" ruler, or if he were an "evil" ruler.
Because anyone with access to that Supreme, Total Power these "War-Robots" could realize, would eventually become an Evil Dictator.
I.e. It just can not be an "Out of Place-Object" if it is so well known throughout the culture that is was a theme in the philosophical and dramatical texts of the day.
Sadly enough, every single object like that has been destroyed by time, and we only have this "Antikmatera Mechanism" left. So we dont really know how far that technology reached. Was it present in the Persian empire, for example? It would be so crazy to imagine just that, at least in their royal households and so on.
An.d, the same technology based on Wood, instead of bronze, wouldn't that be the natural way to understand it, and hos a technology like that evolved over time - from simple wood-based mechanics, to much more sophisticated examples made of metals.
Remember that the Automatons found its way back into society again, after the dark Middle Ages. Perhaps it survived in or near power centers like the Byzantine empire and so on? Who knows.
But - it just isn't an "Out of Place-thing."
Just because "you" dont know what it is doesn't mean that nobody understands or know about it.
That Bearded Electrician-Dan, he most certainly didnt knew about it anyway.
He should study a little bit more, and I really can recommend everything from the classical period.
They wrote about themself, but when WE are reading it, now at present day, we can so easy interpret it as almost perfectly similar to our own time and world.
It was written more than 2000 years ago, 2500 actually. And we can still recognize our self in their words.
Dan Richards: Laughs at Milo Rossi for having no professional credentials.
Also Dan Richards: Has zero professional credentials.
@@chriscasperson5927 He's an electrician ffs
Milo does totally understand things from an academic point of view. He has put the time in there. Dan on the other hand probably gathers all of his knowledge ruminating over his beer and whatever other drugs may do.
Yeah, but he does have a really impressive beard.
@@WayneBraack the only rumination that should be done on beer is who’s a goat in sports or if you can make a jump
@@WayneBraackTbh the number of dedunking subscribers has exploded recently, pretty much since the Hancock/dibble debate. His appetite for monetisation now equals his appetite for drugs and beer 😂
Yesterday, I food a bee hive in my garden in Tokyo and it looked exactly like the bee hives I saw as boy growing up in Wisconsin. That proves an alien insect must have taught these bees seperated by the Pacific Ocean how to build the same exact building.
The existence of space bees implies the existence of space honey.
And you know what? Jupiter is awfully bee hive looking. Makes you think.
@@MiG-21bisFishbedL you confirming the possibility of space faring bees gave me a small piece of nightmare fuel. How many other planets have they colonized? Why haven’t they returned? Did they somehow have a colony collapse that stunted their planetary conquest? Have they been monitoring our program from afar and just waiting for the chance for us to reach them? Are we engineering our own demise by developing the means for space bees to return to conquer us?
@@MiG-21bisFishbedL
Space bees, I love it! 😅
Excellent execution of a joke. 10/10
Asking "where the sea people come from" is like asking where pirates come from.
This is a name of convenience to describe various groups engaging in certain types of behaviour. The Sea Peoples is a modern word used to describe multiple groups of people rather than some unified force like this Atlantean Empire he thinks actually existed beyond Plato's writings.
Can you imagine if 2400 years from now people were arguing this fervently about the existence of Middle Earth or the Moon Pandora?
I stopped watching this guy after he banned me for literally proving him wrong with citations.
He's very quick to ban those who point out his errors. He went on several deranged tirades on the @potholer54 channel when he kept trying to debate what Hancock actually said.
Two muppets feeding their own pathetic egos. You’ve never proved anytime wrong with a citation in your life and pot holes argument with Dan was comedy gold. Pot hole denying the lithic specimens from cinq-mars work. Your comments are an embarrassment
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Think I got banned from dedunking too just for commenting
@@JackBrookes-gw5wh If I remember correctly, he really hates it when you ask him to quote something or someone. Probably because he knows that he's not paying attention to what someone actually says, instead he's building his own argument he wants to attack. When he tries to quote people he always gets it wrong too.
"... archeology and all that crap" speaks volumes of the quality of his argument.
That's the thing with these alt/pseudo historians/archaeologists, they criticise archaeologists and all that crap, until an archaeologist has a theory that aligns with their own.
I winced, too. >_
that's his crowd though, they wouldn't read a real archeology textbook if you paid them
@@matthewsmolinsky5605 - Yet muh real archeologists want to waaah all day long about how they barely get the attention compared to the likes of GH does. Could it be the hoiler than thou attitude? Nar must be everyone is just dum dum because they don't fall over themselves to adulate muh academics.
@@ThermicLight lol no
Honestly this is probably a waste of time. I once argued with this guy after he misinterpreted History for Granite's theories about the pyramid. I pointed out how he was not saying the same thing that History for Granite was saying and all he could say was that he was in "contact" with HFG and that if it was a misinterpretation, HFG would've said something about it. When I pointed out the actual parts of the theory that he was misinterpreting using HFG's own words, he just ignored me.
I love that right off the bat he refers to archaeologists and scholars who study the sea people as "the people who study all that crap". Your honor, do we have permission to treat this witness as hostile?
Yeah, it's pathetic that he thinks he's being coy about his attitude towards science and education, but he can't be bothered to edit his own video when he slips up and lets his true feelings out. It would be pitiful if he wasn't doing this just to scam people.
Doesn't seem like you seen any of his actual videos.
I just read that in your voice.
Love that mans bookshelf - The Art of War, Left4Dead, Thundercats, Rhinestone Cowgirls and The Commies Are Coming all on the same shelf.
I hope he didn't pose there to make himself seem more educated.
unfortunately I think he might have...
HAHAHA
That's probably all book-looking items he has and yes he probably did.
It would probably be a lot of fun to talk about classic Star Trek with him (I'd bet money Scotty's his favorite crewmember) , but I'd probably get frustrated on the topic of history.
Who told him we were coming, dammit!?
Thanks as always for doing this sort of stuff David. I can’t bring myself to actually watch one of Dan’s videos.
It's painful that Dan appears to have fans showing up more often cheering how he's keeping everyone "honest".
You will want to grab his head to stop it from bobbing side to side.
His cute head turns didn't woo you over ?
@@GroberWeisenstein they did not
Why do people dismiss discoveries from experts (who've spent decades studying and investigating real evidence) but trust a random weirdo with no proof or credentials whatsoever?
I can only guess it's because they say, "I know the real truth that the elites are keeping from you!" It makes them feel special and gives them a sense of power.
It’s because people today think entertainment is reality.
It's also a heck of a lot easier than actually studying. Be it archeology, medicine, "free energy" they also rely super heavily on old ideas and materials, a hundred or more years old, which is an excuse to ignore all the orders of magnitude greater amount of research and work done since.
@@pothos9913 because the random weirdo agrees with their preconceived opinions.
This woowoo crap is easily consumed and has the advantage of always drawing sexy conclusions. Have you ever read the paperwork generated by a real archeological survey? You'd rather be watching paint dry. And you won't find the words "looks like" anywhere in there.
Because anti-intellectualism is very popular. People hate academia and love hearing stories about smart people who are frauds or corrupt.
Debunking showed up in my algorithm, so I watched 3 vids before I kindøy asked the algorithm to never show it again
Sub to him
"Slimy"? That doesn't sound like a legitimate, academic argument.
Unless one is analyzing and discussing the habits of the Hagfish. Then it is proper. And slightly nauseating..
@@MossyMozart Or maybe even the California banana slug.
I discovered Dan few months ago and found it interesting but gradually I realised how shallow his thinking was
It is SOOO important to realize that 'balls' and 'wheels' from ALL OVER THE WORLD are ROUND!!
Not only that - EVERY BALL is also SPHERICAL!! (REALLY!!)
OBVIOULSY a sign of an advanced civilization sharing important knowledge all over the world!
How can this be wrong when you can feel the roundness of BALLS yourself?
And stairs! And doors!
Some balls are oblate spheroids tho
😅
What about eyes and testicles
@RohankrishnaB ALIEN inspired... OBVIOUSLY!!
Dan needs to spend more time finishing his Warhammer miniatures I feel.
#NotAllWargamers #OkItIsSomeWargamers
Quit adding “I feel” to every damned sentence. Take a stance instead of using wishy washy verbiage. I suspect you’re an up talker too. Cut that shit as well.
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@@ewanrobinson6903 what’s up with the 40k hate yo?
@@tomstein8992 what are you talking about
Dan is the "sovereign citizen" of history.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
lmfao
He even looks like one
Duck Dynasty meets archaeology.
Ouch!
I was convinced. I no longer am. The evidence just isn’t there. The megaliths are remarkable. It doesn’t change the awe that I have for giant statues and unreal stone work. Humans are amazing.
Good for you! Humans are incredible, especially our artists & builders & engineers. We've had pretty much the same brains for tens of thousands of years, we've always just been people. Smart & creative & dumb & goofy. I trust the people of the past to have figured out their own shit.
Is there evidence for the theory you hold regarding the megaliths and precision objects?
@@ImEnemy608 Tell me if I'm misunderstanding you, but by 'the theory you hold' do you mean the 'theory' that the people who were there at the time, using objects from that time made the objects dated to that time...? That's hardly a radical position.
@@joshuapray the "evidence isn't there" for an advanced civilization, according the the original commenter.
My question is, can you provide evidence or any example of these precision objects being made with the tools you mentioned.
Can you provide any evidence of the 500 ton stones being moved by ropes/trees? Don't say the hieroglyphs where they're moving that statue. Its been proven that couldn't have weighed over 50-100 tons (that's generous).
I thought it was a pretty straightforward question. Never called anyone or any theory radical, not sure where you got that.
@@ImEnemy608 It has been demonstrated again and again and again (and again), in forum after forum, that the so-called 'precision objects' dated to specific eras can absolutely be crafted using the tools of those eras. I mean, really. You don't have to look far. There are even TH-cam videos documenting it, for those who don't have the time/money for texts and books.
Now, that said, if someone just doesn't want to believe what is demonstrated to them, well. There's nothing to be done there. That person isn't interested in evidence. Though you say you are, so please go have a look.
And 'radical' isn't a bad or rude word. I just meant extreme, unreasonable, untenable, unbelievable, etc.
Ok, so I watched the whole thing.
And I had a look at a few comments on the original video.
And for a short moment I had one of those "we're kinda doomed, as a race, right?" moments.
One of the main reasons I have for following this channel is that facts and opinions are presented with care.
And that makes it pretty hard to watch a 'debunking' video in which the creator seems to invested on a personal level, as it shines through.
So thanks for keeping it factual - and classy.
Dan ruined his credibility by name-calling and taking things too personally. It’s ok to be passionate about a topic but once you start calling people “slimy” and “disingenuous,” and imputing bad motives to another person, you show what kind of person you are. Only an insecure person has to resort to these type of cheap insults.
Kovid genocide should have taught you that we are doomed as a race.
@@Mr_Rob_otto Can we assumptions about Von Daniken and Graham Hancock being provocative for only the money based on their actions of disparaging archeology and never digging into the historical record to confirm or disprove their speculations?
@@user-gl5dq2dg1j Zecharia Sitchin dug into old records, known as cuneiform, than wrote a book, since the release of his first book The 12th Planet in 1976, Sitchin has written seven other books as part of his Earth Chronicles series, as well as six other companion books. Sitchin's books have sold millions of copies worldwide and have been published in more than 25 languages. He claimed he could read cuneiform, after teaching himself, the right way of reading cuneiform, the scholars had it all wrong, we are visited on a cycle by an alien race, known as the Anunnaki from Nibiru, Forgotten Creators, Enslavers, Saviors, and Hidden Architects of the New World Order, Sitchin says they left their Watchers on the Moon.
Zecharia Sitchin refused all debates with scholars, who wanted to know where he was reading from, because he never referenced any tablets, Von Daniken and Hancock are small potatoes compared to what Zecharia Sitchin has done to the world, Zecharia Sitchin now has student, that study his methods, he said he was taught by Sitchin, I remember seeing one of his videos a few years back.
His "debunking" was definitely done in bad faith. He wanted you to respond so that he can gain visibility for his pet theories.
But your video was educational and fun! Thank you for making it!
Technically, he’s rebunking bunk that has been debunked.
People like DeBunking, Hancock, Bright Insight and so on are fraud
What I don't understand is if he will grant that the ancients can lift big weights and that they can achieve high accuracy, why does he assume they can't have both in one civilization and one project?
I can only assume that he thinks you can only get one chance to place a block and once down it can't be adjusted. It's not childish, it's delusional.
Dumbledork, after doing some electrical work on a building, has deep knowledge of ancient architecture and intent. Well done.
He looks more like Gimly than Gandalf, but something like that out of a Fantasy Novel is fitting.
Maybe the thief from Artemis Fowl? The dwarf that farts out the earth it swallows while digging? :D
I believe you are confused as to who the dork is.
Was funny that Dan guy had to get that comment in and act like it was relevant to the topic and he reallly seemed to think that he made a very smart and good point.
Not wrong though, I'm sure his trades work exposed him to many inexperienced/bad engineers and architects. The type who, along with drafters, do most of the work for cookie cutter offices. Hope for his sake that he encountered some that knew to account for that stuff.
@@jacobwiley9873 - Architects use trade consultants when they send out for bids. If some idiot bids on a project that they _know_ will fail, who is the idiot?
@MichaelWalker-de8nf so if your experienced in painting and silk screen, are you saying you can't tell what silk screening is vs hand painting? 🤣
On the bright side, this is probably the most believable Bigfoot sighting I’ve ever seen
I lost count of how many times he called him "slimy" in these excerpts and can imagine there being more in the original video.
Thanks Dr. Miano for taking the high road and not engaging with that low effort tactic!
It's like Dan is projecting his own slimey actions by using that term. Sadly he's not bright enough to realize it.
The proposed “advanced civilization” apparently did not have any agriculture and left no descendants. The set of plants and animals used in Eurasia are different from the Americas, and no trace of a people who left genetic traces worldwide.
Max Planck an article in the nature journal shows agricultural evidence from 40,000 years ago. The Amazon is showing agriculture from over 10,000 years ago. There is 25,000 year old agricultural evidence from china
@@Manbearpig4456 Can you Link this "evidence"? Because i think you got your numbers terribly wrong.
@@Albasapiens_Flinthandwerkyou tube doesn’t like links. Google max Planck agricultural from 40,000 years ago. Once you do that come back and apologise like a real man
@@Manbearpig4456 I was thinking of sweet potatoes in Asia, or wheat or rye in Argentina. The Columbian Exchange was a historical event.
@@Albasapiens_Flinthandwerk TH-cam doesn’t like links. Look up max planck agricultural evidence 40,000 years ago. Once you done you can come back and apologise like a real man
Looking briefly at the comments to his rebuttal video it appears that Dan's fans are as loose with the facts as Dan, which I'm sure shocks no one. I saw repeated themes of:
1) Wrongly assuming Dr Miano is an archaeologist
2) Accusing Dr Miano of being condescending instead of educational or entertaining
3) Accusing Dr Miano of deleting comments that do not agree with him (oh the irony considering Dan's channel)
Overall there was nothing in the way of pointing to evidence or facts, which again probably shocks no one.
Never get into a pissing contest with a scientist, they collect their sources and beat you down to your level with them!
And is this guy really insinuating that a people living in the desert, with splendid view of the stars, will not be able to identify certain fix points in the sky after a few thousand years of watching said sky?
As a third generation brick, block and stone mason with 30 years experience I find it funny that an electrician or a machinist thinks they know what an expert craftsman can do. Great video.
I'm an electrician, and I would watch the guys on the site laying the brick or cinderblock. They made it look easy, but that was only because they had loads of experience. Ask me about your electrical wiring diagram: don't ask me to lay even a single course of brick on a flat surface.
Openly admitting you are a stone mason is treated as heresy on those alternative channels.
@@GroberWeisenstein- They don't want to hear about chisels and hammers as stone-cutting tools.
I remember when he uploaded that video. I couldn’t believe people in his comments were actually being serious and not joking. Great video sir!
well that's it then, unsubscribing.
Jamie, pull up that video of a bear building the pyramids
???
@@salomaonplanetsaturn I'm pretty sure the poster intended to be sarcastic.
@salomaonplanetsaturn it's a Toe Rogan joke.
NGL, it caught me for a second
@@chriscasperson5927 thank you !
An original low quality vid filmed by bigfoot
I watched one of Dan's videos once. Well, almost. I gave up before it finished and put a ZZ top album on.
In my twenties I used to believe the alt history. I grew up.
YOUR TWENTIES?!??
I was fond of Charles Berlitz and his book about the Bermuda Triangle when I was a child.
And by golly, one day you might even be able to grow facial hair!
@@markcorrigan3930 Lol, yes.
@@lakrids-pibe I didn't know he wrote on those topics. Just know him as the language dude.
The problem with these "advanced ancient civilization" believers. (and I use that word intentionally.) Is that they treat any criticism they have with historians, as a religious difference. They don't, and can't make a scientific argument against historiography, or the scientific method.
Fun fact
Replace "advance ancient civilization" with "ancient aliens" and nothing changes. Those theories believers are very similar
Yeah, they make the mistake of starting with a conclusion they like. The whole ‘what if’ school of thought. What if there was a lost ancient civilization, wow that is so cool, and I can even see it working, so I now believe that and will fit anything I find to that conclusion.
But some of the best science is starting out with a well researched hypothesis, and then finding tons of contrary evidence. But that becomes impossible if you are emotionally invested in the conclusion.
I agree with that assessment - although I am one who believes that there were one or more state based societies (I don't subscribe to the term "advanced civilisation", it adds nothing to the debate) which existed when the ice caps retreated, situated along riverways along the now submerged continental shelves, in much the same way that such societies later re-emerged along the Euphrates, Nile, Indus rivers etc.
But note my use of the term "belief". I acknowledge that no evidence currently exists that supports my belief, nor do I think there ever will be any hard evidence that can be found to support it, only the sorts of soft details (such as the presence of flood myths across the globe) that can equally be explained away as local responses to common events.
I certainly don't hold Dan's (or Hancock's) view that any later markers of civilisation emerged (or were handed down) from those earlier societies. If these earlier societies existed at all, then they likely all perished when the world's oceans rose, sending humanity back to migratory bands eking out an existence in a rapidly climatic-changing world.
In the end, belief is not provable pre-history. But flights of fantasy are things that people with a certain mindset get heavily invested in.
@@alexcanduci3824 I can appreciate your more reasoned take on this, but I gotta ask: if you admit there probably isn’t any evidence we could find of a paleo/mesolithic urban society , wouldn’t that mean it’s more likely that it didn’t exist? Why believe it at all if you can’t support it?
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Dedunkers is a silly channel. I saw one video where he seemed fair but then I dug in more and he seems to mostly criticize the mainstream and wants to believe the nonsense as if it has some merit.
There is nothing wrong with criticizing the "mainstream", mainstream academia is ruled by inflated egos and money but the problem is when you make up stuff and do it in the most unscientific way possible, and deny basic common understanding of our history.
if scavengers found advanced technology, that doesn't mean we wouldn't find it, it just means we would find it with the scavengers
I was thinking the same thing. The scavenging of steel items doesn't end with piles of carbon and iron.
I'm always impressed by how charitable and genuine you are when discussing people like this who seem to be deliberately misrepresenting you and actual scholarship.
The fact that no common language, no common unit of measurement, no common staple food specie, no common domesticated animal species, no common gods, no common weapons and even a basic spear are constructed in totally different ways between continents. It’s blatantly obvious that there was absolutely no one culture roaming about the world educating anyone. But the big kicker is Australia a continent unaffected by the younger dryas surrounded by ocean completely missed by this marvellous ocean roaming advanced human.
We haven't excavated enough therefore cannot be disproven i.e. non-falsifiable. The hallmarks of pseudoscience.
And let's not dwell on the issue that this super-advanced civilisation, which taught agriculture and architecture to everyone else, obviously didn't develop writing.
We have a common domesticated species almost everywhere: dogs. But that's it, I'm not suggesting anything.
@@San_Vito And since you mentioned it, it's interesting to note that the current oldest finding of dog bones in the Americas is 10ky old, in Illinois. Much later than the oldest evidence of people in the continent, which currently is dated 20-30kya. But also later than Göbekli Tepe and the end of the Younger Dryas.
Using words like blatant doesn't make you correct. Also isn't Australia largely uninhabited who knows what's under the dirt.
Googledebunkers?!? In this economy?
If you can't afford commercially available Googledebunkers, home-made ones are inexpensive and easy!
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"The incredible alignment and accuracy of the Pyramids"
Tell me you don't know about the Black Pyramid, Meidum Pyramid, or the Bent Pyramid, without telling me you don't know about the Black Pyramid, Meidum Pyramid, or the Bent Pyramid.
It is so weird how they divorce the ancient people from the process of learning. Egyptians were trying things, learning from past mistakes, and developing new and better ways of doing stuff throughout history. Stripping them of those accomplishments and assigning them to some even older civilization that obviously did not exist is just disrespectful.
As for the measurement thing, if you got a room of engineers together and forced them to figure out a way to measure something without modern technology and still get a reasonably accurate result: they would probably be able to do it in a couple of days if not just a couple of hours. Depending on how much they remembered from doing proofs. But apparently ancient cultures could not do it even with hundreds or thousands of years of attempts.
I think a lot of this is "I can't think of how to do this, and I am the smartest smarty pants ever, so there is no way those "savages" were able to do so if I can't. Therefore they did not."
Even the Great Pyramid, which FOR SOME REASON is the only one conspiracy nuts obsess over, has giant gaps between stones of very varied sizes because there are totally human errors made in time they measured with rope and sticks.
Yeah & somehow all the quarries that still have unfinished, rejected or cracked blocks & obelisks are never acknowledged either.
The moment mr dedunking said historians who ”study all that crap” I immediatelly felt like he was very unserious about the truth of these topics, and him then 10 seconds later spreading misinformation about things we do know just sealed it for me. If he is going to disregard the knowledge we do have of human history then his content just feel like clickbait hitpiece material.
He's so bad at acting that he can't help but expose his bias blatantly. He claims to be about science but he utters lines like that or goes on his rant about architects which just shows he's biased against anything academic or professional. He says stuff like "my brother in science" and then goes off on a rant about how scientists are missing all these obvious clues that even he can see. Obviously he has zero respect for anyone related to academia. I saw another channel that reviewed his letter to the SAA where he complained about scientists being too mean to the alt history crowd and ruining the magic of history. No Dan, that's just science paying attention to what evidence shows.
The fact 80% of his arguments rely on us not knowing about the seas peoples when in fact we do is hilarious. true dunning-kruger
there is not enough info on the sea people for my liking
Who doesn't know of the Sea peoples?
@@robinwolstenholme6377I doubt that there ever will be enough information on them unless someone gets a time machine working.
That's not his argument lol. It's that the bronze age collapse happened less than 3000 years ago, and yet the only evidence we have of their existence comes byway of second hand accounts.
*Therefore* (and this is the important part) what evidence would you expect to find of a civilization that collapsed and disappeared 10,000 years ago?
[I'm not arguing this myself, I'm just clarifying so that you're not attacking a strawman]
@@WillyOrcaIt all depends on how you define civilization. Most would equate it to life in cities with populations engaged in specialized trades or jobs. We obviously know about people and material cultures from 10k years ago.
Dan Harmon’s bizarro twin is not the “haha” type of funny.
Dude....I've been racking my brain trying to figure out who he reminded me of.
definitely Dan's unfunny bizzaro twin
So you’re saying this guy is sober?
Is there a Chevy Chase of Alt history? I'd like to see the cheer chaos of that.
I'm always impressed how Dan has the ability to say something so obviously illogical with such confidence.
Like Obama lol 😂😆
I’m always impressed when you comment on dans channel make a fool of yourself then run away from the conversation
@Manbearpig4456 oh you are for sure a Dan sockpuppet account. Based on your other comments on the channel it's so obvious. That or you're his secret lover, take your pick
@Manbearpig4456 I'm impressed that you made a comment with words that form a sentence.
@@itsnot_stupid_ifitworksI’m impressed you managed to get your tongue away from mianos fartbox
Oh god, I remember seeing one of Dan’s videos pop up in my recommended feed and after taking one look at the thumbnail and title I promptly blocked his channel from showing up again for me.
The fact he refers to himself as a “skeptic” in his bio is rather unscrupulous, as he clearly has no understanding of critical thinking or scientific methodology, or in other words, lacks the toolkit needed to be a true skeptic.
Why do people assume our ancestors were stupid people
I think in large part due to pop culture. People like to underestimate how much growing up watching cartoons and whatnot, shapes our fundamental perceptions of the world. We think our ancestors are dumb because any depiction we see of them is them just sitting near a fire doing nothing, or hunting animals.
@@LesterBrunt Maybe they think Fred Flintstone is real.
@@Buzzword27 By looking at present day people like Dan.
Why? Because it makes lots of people today think they themselves are better. And it's not just people thinking our ancestors were stupid to make themselves feel superior, it's also inherently based on racism, full stop.
Fight your corner Dr Miano! I have watched a few of his videos and he doesn't know what science is. He, and his supporters, think science is whatever people think at the time!
But have you considered the possibility that this lost advanced civilization is actually ...
The Sea Peoples? 🤯
They just wanted to get their technology back from the Egyptians 😂
@@MoreEriksson seriously the Sea Peoples are a plausible answer to so many legend and myth stuff why make up something else?
Having read this on the internet I now believe it to be true thank you.
Wow I really liked dedunking because he comes across as non biased but when you break it down he’s really like the rest of alt history folk. He sells it well
On the positive side, Dan is a great Ultracrepidarian.
Dan's channel summarized: "Well, Ackshually, *Incoherent gibberish*"
I find it really interesting that this Dan fellow understands, and even uses the “similar problem, similar solution” argument for most of the generic similarities between these civilizations, he still buys into hyper-diffusion MORE.
@@jackjohnson2309 his argument is the same as flerfs' "Looks flat to me."
Another bizarre thing about this "argument" is that people might happily point at 1 or 2 things that could maaaaybe be called similar, yet dismiss a thousand things that are wildly different. Surely, if 2 separate civilizations produce 999 different things, and 1 common thing, you say ... well, that's 999 reasons why those civilizations developed separately. Instead, somehow, for these people the 1 common thing carries the "argument" ...
Dan has a penchant for misconstruing an opponent's argument, and then proceeding from there.
Yes, the straw man is strong in him.
He also gets extremely mad when you point it out. He's allergic to quoting what people actually say because he knows that he has zero content unless he misrepresents them.
Dan's argument:
- Sea Peoples
- Disingenuous
- Spitballing
- Yeah, Man
- Slimey
I tried giving him the benefit of the doubt after seeing Milo Rossi mention him, but I've seen how he's acted with people like Potholer54 and just how he generally is really disingenuous and made bad arguments constantly. The guy seems like a prick.
No he doesnt. His mental gymnastics pale in comparison to Milanos. The difference is cookie guy has to prove he knows everything while armchair points out he doesnt.
I lost it when he said that no one in the alternative history camp is making the argument that big stones couldn't possibly have been moved.
42:10 Another very important point against the "scavenging" argument is that we actually DO find a lot of objects that were clearly high value to ancient peoples. They wore them on their bodies, buried them in their tombs, hid them away in safe places, and so on.
So if these relatively high-tech objected were all "scavenged", we would have found a lot of them in association with sites belonging to the scavengers.
It just moves the problem to a different place: instead of asking why the ancient civilizations didn't leave their objects behind, we're now asking why the scavengers didn't leave their objects behind.
I can't help but wonder why Dan or his fans didn't think about that. Did the scavengers then fly out into space?
And also, is Dedunking suggesting that these peoples' scavenging would have restored metal alloys and high-tech tools to their constituent elements...? No matter how many stainless steel knives you scavenge, they don't return to iron and carbon.
Im glad Dan states 'in my opinion'. Otherwise, it would be more than just cringeworthy. In my opinion.
The pattern on the top of stone structures that might have involved using metal to hold two pieces of stone together is used by woodworkers today. It is generally called a butterfly inlay. It is a simple way of ensuring that two pieces of wood will not split apart even if the glue that is used in the process fails. It is often used to stop a crack in a piece of wood from spreading.
I have known woodworkers who claimed to have independently invented the process. I suspect it has been independently invented many times to solve similar problems. It is a fairly obvious way of reinforcing a joint or crack with a solid piece of material. It is all shaped in such a way that the reinforcing piece cannot slip out.
The Romans used what were effectively large iron staples to reinforce joints on the Coliseum. The shape was a little different but it was a similar method used to address a similar problem. When the Roman Empire fell in the west, many of those iron staples were salvaged for their metal.
I remember when I watched his video, that's when I unsubscribed realizing that this guy has so many issues he's dripping from all angles.
Thanks Dr. Miano for responding to his video.
Same here! Spot on take
That’s the way Dan likes your mother, dripping from all angles.
there's a niche for every grifter on this planet, sadly.
You will never win an argument with an old man who reads Thundercats novels.
That was posted on Reddit by Sun Tzu right?
Prof. Miano, you are a humble, respectful and politely critical scientist/archeologist. The patience you have for these charlatans is incredibly admirable.
I was waiting for him to snap mid video, yet it never happened 😂
Wow, did you listen to his response? I’d characterize it in the exact opposite way. He seems arrogant and frequently seems to intentionally choose the least charitable interpretation of what has been said.
@@IdwarfRedwoods Never really attacked the person, always the argument. Dan, on the other hand, ad hominem's is his speciality.
@@rs1803 Dr. Miano opens his video with accusing Dan of fishing for subscribers. The worst Dan does is accuse Dr. Miano of being disingenuous in the way he presents arguments he disagrees with, which is exactly what Dr. Miano frequently does. He uses the vase guys to make Dan seem even further out than them, while Dan actually is very critical of the vase claims and many other such claims.
@@IdwarfRedwoods Dan should apply his skepticism of the vase claims equally as much as the advanced super civilisation, of which there is ZERO evidence.
Bro talks about working in construction yet claims basic joinery is advanced technology no one else could have thought of. I guess he's never looked at a drawer before
This guy is just baiting larger channels to respond so he can get new viewers through that
Yup.
Welcome you just realized the basics of media
"Unknown people want to associate with known people to become more known"
👍
Which guy? Have you seen the number of views this channel gets when he mentions Carlson or Hancock in the title? That's just how TH-cam works
@@MarvinMonroe But Dan is pretending to be an honest reporter who supports science, so he can't go after someone like Hancock. He will tell you that he's not a Hancock fan, but then he goes after everyone that exposes the lies from Hancock. So the only targets left are channels like this. He could go after small channels that spread misinformation, but he's just pretending he's not an anti-intellectual.
so both
I gotta say I wouldn't trust Dan to wire my house. He clearly doesn't know what it means to acquire a skill and apply critical thinking to hone that skill past a rudimentary level. It stuns me that he can't concieve how orientation and precise measurement could be done prior to modern tech but I can do it in my backyard with a stick and a piece of rope.
“So disingenuous in this video” the irony is thick enough to cut with a knife
Wait, they really call themselves DeDunking? I thought it was a typo.
I've had it out with Dan a couple times and I assure you, he will learn nothing from this.
There is nothing to learn from this, Dan is already aware Miano is a liar and a joke
@@Manbearpig4456 you old fart? Don't make me dog walk you again.
@@Manbearpig4456Hi again Dan!
@@Mr_Rob_otto hello Mianos dingle berry.
Wrong. It's that you are wrong. So he don't need to change his positionthat is right. 😅
I am, obviously, dubious of his scholarly beliefs but his taste in old video game consoles is fantastic. :)
Ah ha !...so I'm not the only one eyeballing what's on his shelves.
@@dazuk1969 counterpoint: as a Metalhead from the 2000s, I am calling him our worst insult: a poser.
@@dazuk1969 You know if he had an Amiga poster then I'd have to unquestioningly support him. lol
Let’s prove facts over fiction 🤔and get Dr. Miano a Million views on this video. ❤
I don't understand why some people want to turn cutting and moving stone into magic. If you have enough motivated people building a pyramid isn't that difficult.
Also, if people who lived two to four thousand years ago were too dumb to create these things why would people who lived thousands of years earlier be smarter?
_"Also, if people who lived two to four thousand years ago were too dumb to create these things why would people who lived thousands of years earlier be smarter?"_ Good question. My guess is magic.
Well to answer your second question - quite simple really. Just look at the hunter/gatherer today. They don't build skyscrapers. Why can the same sort of thing of 'simple' and 'advanced' people inhabiting the same world not exist throughout history?
But too your first point - do even engineer bro? Because i am one. Building a pyramid isn't that difficult?😂😂😂 What? Sure, by modern standards building a steal framed or clay brick pyramid structure isn't that difficult so long as you have workers with years of experience.
But building the great pyramid... with stone hammers and copper chisels... isn't that difficult? You are absolutely delusional if that's what you think. There aren't words in the dictionary that can describe just how difficult that would've been to do.
@@MUSTAVATUG Who said it wasn't difficult? The issue is people think it's impossible even with 20 years and plenty of labor.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime Whoever's comment this belongs too. He/she/they stated building a pyramid isn't too difficult. Those are the words of someone who has never picked up a hammer.
And the reason people think it's impossible is because it nigh on is. It boils my piss to hear archaeologists who don't have the foggiest idea about engineering play the building of that pyramid down so much. It's out of square by about 2 inches. That is an unbelievable feat to achieve. Especially 4000 years ago.
I am an engineer and to this day there are still massive holes in what the archaeologists tell us about how it was built. Some of it is actually insulting. It's flies in the face of actual trained engineers like myself and many others.
@@MUSTAVATUG It's really sad that you think that archaeologists don't consult with engineers or any other fields of science. Maybe you should look at what the research papers actually say and why?
Thx to Dr Miano for the calmness with which he always makes these videos!
This Dan guy is annoying because he tries, or at least he did try, to present himself as this “reasonable middle ground” guy between two “extreme” factions. But he’s obviously just an alt-history guy trying to play a position. I’m 44 mins in, and I’m struggling to think about getting through the last 10 mins of is waffle.
_"But he’s obviously just an alt-history guy trying to play a position"_ Yup. And it's painful that he isn't even good at hiding his bias and yet people still think he's just "telling the truth". In this video alone there were several slips where he can't hold back his anti-intellectual bias that go completely over the head of his fans.
I always find it funny when people bring up there being multiple flood myths across the world as proof of hyper-diffusion.
Yes, storms happen all over the world, lol.
That grifter is so annoying
Nah, Dedunker seems honestly clueless.
That apparent grifter makes a little boy out of you time and time again. The state of your comments on his channel is hilarious
@@Manbearpig4456oh cute your here prattling on like aggrieved lover parasocial and weird
@@AloisWeimar ack did my comment upset you, have a wee cry because your hero Miano got tore to piece
@@Manbearpig4456 why do you run every time I ask you about the pyramids? Dum-dum
I think you gave a confused TH-cam channel more oxygen and credibility than he deserves
Too much oxygen can be a bad thing
I love all the ancient alien and alternate history stuff, but mainly for their entertainment as well as their thoughts of possibilities. Dr. Miano, your videos, along with others, are a vital counterpoint to show more complete research, actual finds, and more scientific conclusions. I also appreciate you saying most of the time, “Yet.” It’s the sign of true science and discipline to always be leaving open the possibility something could come along to prove differently, even if it seems to be a very small possibility. Thank you, Dr. Miano!
Dan presented no evidence in support of his beliefs.
I was subscribed to Dan's channel as it seems there would be some interesting or funny stories.
After exactly this video that was reacted to here, I unsubscribed. It was just ridiculous and his intention were obvious to provoke a reaction video.
Seriously, this rambling, unfocused individual offers nothing worth watching. I admire the effort put into this response. I respect the detail and thorough rebuttals for so many points. I just don't think Dan Richards is worth all this.
@@Anthro006 ack another fanny crying like a bitch
I felt dumber every time he came on the screen to "debunk" you. I have a serious question for him. If these advanced civilizations were teaching stone age people, why did they jump right to monument building? Why wouldn't they teach them about smelting iron or steel? You know tools that we would still find today. Or why not show them the wheel? Or advanced agricultural? Or a written language?
Why would you teach stone aged people advanced mathematics and architecture but not how to better survive?
It's even funnier when you consider something like Serpent Mound or Gunung Padang that don't help the natives in any way. No writing or farming. Just a structure that they can't even live in for shelter.
If you get into the Hancock and Carlson you end up asking, if the Atlantians were levitating stone, why didn't they teach stone levitation. Yeah we levitated the stones onto that pyramid but this is even better, I'm going to show you how to chip stone with another stone so it crudely looks like a person! Have I shown you rafts and earthen walls yet? My people traveled all over the globe...I mean this flat land with turtles under it. Forget what I said about a globe, flat with turtles all the way down.
Looks like Dan possibly lives a life of denial or needs to re-evaluate how he understands and weighs evidence.
Come on, guys... his library includes ThunderCats! How can you doubt him?
I was more impressed with rhinestone cowgirls
I am more concerned that he might believe Mumm-Ra was an actual Egyptian pharaoh.
@@yaldabaoth2 But he was, 4th pre-dynastic dynasty, beloved of Bastet, known for surrounding himself with rhinestone catgirls etc, etc.. 😆
@@c.johnaustin4713 that's before the Ancient Spirits of Evil transformed him, obviously
It’s just so exhausting like this has become such a trope the kind of mental gymnastics and hoops to jump through just to understand his arguments. It’s not done in good faith it’s just wanting attention and to “own” them. You’re right with that at the beginning of the video.
ha. i'm at 20:13mm and i'm in construction. that guy obviously knows nothing about construction. Love you Dr. M
22:00 Dr Miano literally shows examples of amateurs making invalid measurements unrelated to the alignment of the pyramids. So what does Dan do? He equates what Dr Miano said to professionals who measured the pyramids. This is either sad that his brain is so fried he doesn't understand the visual evidence he's trying to debunk, or an obvious example that Dan is just blatantly dishonest. Since he repeats this in every argument, dishonesty wins.
What exactly are you saying or trying to say?
@@MrWeanie _"What exactly are you saying or trying to say?"_ What part of "his brain is fried" or "blatantly dishonest" confuses you?
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime You are dodging the point again. I have no idea what the you are saying in your comments as you very well know. Because they make no fucking sense. And I would not accept your opinion about anything let alone what you think of Dan Richards.
@@MrWeanie _"You are dodging the point again. I have no idea what the you are saying in your comments as you very well know"_ No, I don't know that. I'm telling you exactly what I'm saying. I don't see how it can be any more clear.
_"Because they make no fucking sense"_ What part?
_"And I would not accept your opinion about anything let alone what you think of Dan Richards"_ There's no opinion, there's just the evidence from 22:00. Are you really incapable of understand what Dan did wrong? I can't believe you need the claim explained even further.
What do you see at 22:00? Is Dr Miano showing a pyramid? Is he discussing a pyramid? Does he say the word pyramid? Is he showing professionals measuring the pyramids? The answer is no to all those questions. What argument does Dan attack? Pyramids and the measurements made by professionals. Do you see the problem yet?
Dan always does that. He ignores what a person says and translates it into something else. It is worse than a strawman, it's delusional. In this case he's even got a visual on the screen showing him exactly what Dr Miano is talking about. Dan is looking at the screen ignoring what is being shown while he's ignoring what Dr Miano says so he can start attacking something he's fabricated all by himself. It's either dishonest, delusional, or a combo.
Get it now or you need more examples?
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime . Miano talks about the accuracy of the pyramids in his former video and at approx 18:00 in this one and then goes on to drone about accuracy and precision and the lack thereof in general following this. Dan then makes the point that professionals from Petrie and on word have taken precise measurements and the pyramids for example are extremely accurate. You are just taking things out of context as you always do. Just like Miano does and just like Richards does from time to time too. Now do you get it. Everybody does it to help support their opinion.
Happy to be this early, keep up the good work!
Looking forward to this. Thanks.
"Can we talk about something more grounded like an ancient, globe-spanning civilization?"
So, DeDunking claims to discuss 'alternate history from the perspective of a sceptic' without woo, using 'science, logic, and speculation based on the evidence at hand', yet his every video is defending Graham Hancock and the like from archaeologists and science communicators? Something doesn't quiiiiiite add up there.
I first ran into Dan when @potholer54 did his Hancock video. He was trolling Peter to go watch his review about Peter. I kept asking him to address the points made by Peter about Hancock. He claimed he didn't support Hancock, but refused to address those point. Eventually I figured out that he will deny he supports Hancock, but he makes his money on attacking the people who expose Hancock. So his entire market is the Hancock fan, who he insists he doesn't support. And then he accuses Dr Miano of being slimy. Oh the irony.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime I see. That fits with what I've seen here. I suppose the only thing that surprises me is how I've managed not to know of his existence until now. Seems like the kind of nonsense TH-cam knows I watch too much of.
@@joshuapray
Dan has debunked Ghram's claims like electric pyramids of Egypt and perfectly percised vases made of granite. Visit his channel instead of just reading comments.
@@KEK-dd4iu I didn't get that information from comments, I got it directly from his channel. Hence, the inverted commas.
There are no such thing as _"alternative facts"_ obviously. What you typically see are alternative realities premised upon misinformation/disinformation and a subjective desire to assume oneself as supposedly correct - usually for ideological reasons.
So people who claim to be pursuing "alternative" whatever are really saying that = what they opt to believe does not meet the threshold for validity - hence their subjective desire to believe themselves as supposedly correct when they are not.
p.s. - how do things become "fact"?? Answer: upon presentation and analysis a claim and the evidence it is based upon is agreed to be plausible and hence factual per...... = *CONSENSUS* validation.......
Moral: so-called "alternative facts" are therefore = facts rejected by consensus. As such being "alternative" anything is not really a place one wants to be as it is associated with = _"the fringe"_ of human society and subjective cognition.
This is not to say we should pursue _"groupthink"_ as that infers people believing others for no other reason than a desire to believe. In science and scientifically derived subjects we follow = evidence + consensus per scientific method of analysis - and that is far as scientific "groupthink" goes.
Great video, but if there was an ancient apocalypse it should have shown up in human DNA, like the infamous human bottleneck between 930,000 and 813,000 years ago. When our human ancestors lost 98.7 per cent of their population.
When we can get ice cores that old, probably show up as a layer of ash--- at least the chemistry will show from where.
If Hagrid lived in the muggle world...
How darest thou insult Sir Hagrid! To the don jon with thee. lol.
Dan is just a grifter in the ever-expanding trend of taking advantage of the undereducated, and those who refuse rational deduction.
Invented social media drama can be quite lucrative!
Correct, Dan is a snake oil salesman trying to profit of the ill-informed.
a grifter that can't seem to make a dime, lol. Poor Dan, first he loses his electrician's gig and now this?
@@matthewsmolinsky5605 The market is saturated with these phonies.
You see a lot of 'good cop, bad cop' drama over topics like this.
Flat Earth, cryptozoology, and religion too.
The internet had such potential, but we are opportunists by nature.
So, the scale is the issue? We can spend 100 years climbing over a mountain like ants, and polish it to perfection.😂
Been watching for forever, but wanted to say I love your e-booklet, and would be very interested in anything else you have written! Thank you for making things accessible and entertaining to the layperson!
No matter how far down you punch, you will never be able to reach down far enough. He is a subterranean troll.
Dan is completely unbiased. As long as you overlook his obvious biases.
@Eyes_Open free from any hidden agendas that would otherwise compromise his integrity.
@@Eyes_OpenDan can easily claim to be unbiased because he never actually addresses the actual argument being made.
I knew this was going to be a "fun" video when I noticed that Sun Tzu's "Art of War" was on the his shelf beside "Thundercats" and "Rhinestone Cowgirls", lol!
Dude’s trying to debunk an actual Doctor while stood in front of a bookshelf of sci-fi and Thundercats DVDs. Bit weird.
I’m so tired of this kind of nonsense- fools sharing their ramblings from incredulity as though they carry the same weight as actual knowledge….
@@jrojala do you actually believe dr pounding stones on how they built the great pyramid?
Dan argues that a localized ancient advanced civilization for which no artifacts have been found was the common origin of similar stone attachment technologies used by disparate globe spanning ancient cultures. He’s apparently drawing inspiration from Emerson’s famous quote, “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”.
Great job Milo! Your googledy bunkers badge is in the mail!
Wait, wait. I did the math… all of his “and stuff” adds up.
Looks like Flint Dibble finally got fed up with Dan and made a video. It seems like Dan admitted that he made a false accusation against Flint. So he made a video to admit his false accusation, then proudly stated he would leave it up so Flint can learn how it feels to have people lie about him (like supposedly Flint lied about Hancock). Charming fellow.
The more i learn about this "Dan" , the more he seems like a stereotype of those Mark Twain meant when he allegely said “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience". He do have a nice voice though.