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@@Laidbackjames1 It's not true that what science can create it can also destroy. Creation and destruction are almost always two very different processes, and science is intrinsic to empirical testing which is inherently limited. For example, it would be relatively much much simpler to create a black hole than to destroy one. A good way to look at this is the common idiom that the sum of the parts is not always equal to the sum of the whole. We should also remember that Dr. Manhattan as written by Alan Moore isn't really meant to be an airtight scientific theorem of invincibility to be poked and prodded at with rhetoric, but rather the IDEA of omnipotence. Moore isn't concerned with HOW he has all of his power, he is more interested in telling us what that does to his characters and the world at large. A philosophical problem, not an empirical one.
@@TimisDaniel How is he not outmatched?? His abilities although impressive are actualy quite limited if fixing a planet and making a "superman?!" is too much for him while Franklin can make universes and warp reality without any backlashes. I'd think the scope in their capabilities is obvious.
@@FSparrowToons when molecule man gave control of the beyonders powers to Reed Richards and franklin helped rebuild. That's not much of a feat. Manhattan took down all the DC big heavy hitters, including white lanterns, and was said to be stronger than Mxy.
No. Most the time he’s wrong about the characters. He is awful at power scaling. If you want good scaling go to chuck and Seth the programmer. I still like this too.
@ Dr. Manhattan understands that even 'warping' is still physics, just complex physics at work. Dr. Manhattan understands the universe on a far more advanced level than Franklin ever could. Franklin has mortality and can be physically destroyed, Manhattan's existence is beyond form, rendering many of Franklin's abilities useless. Manhattan's body is not him, it is a vessel he uses to work through. Franklin's Telepathic abilities wouldnt work on Manhattan's form as much as it would a tree husk.
@Dick Grayson I agree with u tho I don't get why u answered on this comment thread, yours would have been a great conversation starter as a comment thread by itself. Manhattan = a character, Franklin = A writers tool
Charecters are broken because people hate them I guess. I don't think ANY charecter is broken. They were made how the writer wanted them to be made. The stories and timelines they are put in may be broken, different writers not understanding REPERCUSSIONS of changing them in different timelines may be broken but the charecters and the powers they hold aren't.
Rare Onyx calling a character broken is not about having animosity or a distain for the character it’s highlighting that character’s ability/powers that for the most part transcend human understanding.
@@rareonyxcourtney3287 what are you talking about. A broken character in this, and most contexts is about their powers and not the story or how compelling they are. It's basically saying overpowered, wich can be applied to both of these characters
@@sonny061188 I understand that. I was merely playing on the fact that most people call charecters broken when the dislike what they do. I still stand by the jist of my statement that charecters writers make aren't broken. Rhe stories they're depicted in and twisting timelines are. If you make a charecter with certain powers in a certain way I'm sure you're not on drugs when you do it with such intricate details. You know what you want him for and he you want him used. However with the many stories done by many writers with different understandings and different timelines it confuses things. Though I digress, you think they're broken, I along with the writers that made them and many others don't.
@@sonny061188 I should add I'm sure you're not alone in thinking they're broken. Many others probably agree with you as well. Some people also think Marvel is broken. Go figure.
dr manhattan is being awfully humble, his body is only a physical vessel for the purpose of convenience, which means he could make his penis literally kilometric, he doesn't wear clothes to flex, flexing on everyone with the fact that he could flex on everyone harder than anyone ever flexed but doesn't cause to him no puny human flex could ever come close to his smallest pinky flex, so he doesn't bother. every time u see doctor manhattan junk im sorry to say but you just got flexed on I await my nobel prize in the mail, ur welcome
I'm not pissed that Manhattan would potentially lose. I think that it's a little unfair seeing as how Franklin has had a lot more comic coverage than Manhattan
After doomsday clock dr.manhattan would definitely win. He can end everything with a thought. Frnaklin has been bested numerous times. Dr.manhattan has never lost a confrontation as he is above that. Dr.manhattan can reboot DC if need be and did at the end of doomsday clock.
@@melvingenao550 The version of Franklin that was discussed can also end everything with a thought. And yes, Franklin has been bested...but, by what? Usually it's things like The Beyonders. Manhattan also hasn't been challenged nearly as many times as Franklin. It's easy to go undefeated with his power set while not facing multiversal threats. Franklin has experience fighting entities exactly like Manhattan, and more powerful. Manhattan doesn't. Do we even know how Manhattan would react trying to simply blink someone out of existence and it not working?
@@johnsmjs36 Manhattan only altered that universes timeline. Franklin has literally created entire universes and realities from nothing. Manhattan is simply manipulating what's already there, where Franklin is creating his own matter and energy. It's like comparing a volcano to a Bic lighter, because they're both hot
Considering Dr. Manhattan experiences all time at once (unlike Franklin who only has precognition) , Doc. wins the awareness bit. But does he erase Franklin or get rid of his powers or what?
No it is not. It has more to do with experience. Name one opponent Dr. Manhanttan has faced that is on the same level as the celestials? Let alone several celestials who are insane. It's putting a rookie phenom heavyweight boxer undefeated at 11-0 record who faced paper champions(Manhattan) against a champion heavyweight boxer 45-2 record who happens to be one of the best of all time based on his records against similar opponents.
You should know that the term "villain" is honestly defined as an opinion. Theres no scientific fact that determines what a villain is, it's a mixture of ethical perspective and a fundamental setting of what we consider morality in society. That's why it would never work, as thanos tried doing in infinity war for example. The majority saw his vision as evil, but in his eyes, it was true justice.
Post Doomsday-Clock, Manhattan. Franklin Richards can create universes and such, but Manhattan was able to manipulate and change a _metaverse,_ changing the DC *multiverse* on a narrative level. That's something far, far beyond anything Franklin ever managed. In DC's own universe, that feat puts him close to the "I always win" level of the Cosmic Armor Superman Thought Robot. He's also powerful enough to de-grimdark Watchmen, and that's just ridiculously OP.
@@capital_beaz4725 You would know. Trolling people from your parent's basement in-between licking those windows and eating those crayons, pal. How about getting out of there and going to school once in a while. Then you'll know the difference between 'your' and 'you're' and how to use a period.
@@IGE5923 dr manhattan was stated by mxzptlyk to be far beyond him, mxy can hold the whole multiverse in his hand and emperor joker could destroy the whole multiverse yet manhattan is far beyond him
Well Manhattan's "precognition" really isn't. It's not a mental thing. It's about how he actually perceives time. So Franklin Richards wouldn't be able to just block that with his mind.
Tachyon particles are able to cloud dr manhattan view of time as shown in the Watchmen. Assuming franklin can generate them in large quantities, blinding Dr. Manhatten is entirely possible.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard or seen Franklin Richards resurrect himself. Meanwhile we all know Dr Manhattan can do this effortlessly and has displayed it.
It isn't even him really dying, as it is just a form he uses, a form he can alter in any shape or way he chooses. Manhattan, imo, decimates Franklin due to his extremely advanced understanding of the universe and the simple fact that Franklin is limited to his body and has exhibited limits. The only thing capable of hindering Manhattan is Tachyon particles and all they do is blind him from the far future, they cant even kill him as Adrian's failure showed.
I'll have to humbly disagree on this one. It's a delicate dance between the two. There is only one Franklin Richards that can create from nothing but there can be many Dr. Manhattans. The idea of creating a universe to seal Manhattan's cognition is faulty. It would be like jarring water underwater in addition to events being seen before ideas. It would not get pass his initial one and him being "everywhere" at once (this includes outside the universe). Franklin is powerful indeed, however, he has a time line that can be changed. This is where Dr. Manhattan gets the upper edge because time, space, and emotion are not variables for Dr.Manhattan. Reeds power is DECIDED by Dr. Manhattan. Manhattan could essentially one day become one with time itself. Dr. Manhattan's legitimate weakness is logic. He can only be convinced. Batman, has more of a chance of "defeating" Manhattan as strange as it seems
You heard the part of him using his precognitive abilities to limit his “everywhere at all times” argument right? It’s how they even defeated him in the watchman
@@nonkasfilms To think that Dr. Manhattan didn't see the idea before Franklin would be reckless itself. Dr. Manhattan sees the conflict before it even mattered to Reed. Let's keep that in mind
@@HotdogJuice no he doesn't. Manhattan has shown before that his abilities are faulty at times. Plus Manhattan isn't omniscient he doesn't know why things happen he just knows they do and Franklin Richards reality warping is more than enough to fool him. Hell even Manhattan couldn't see past Superman and was willing to be hit by him. Imagine that had been an equally powerful reality warper
@@elmjojokes7782 dr manhattan from the future was obscuring his own view of what happened after superman's charge. it literally takes an equally powerful reality warper to do what youre describing there
Dustin Mock uhm bruh do you know that dr manhattan doesn’t belong to any timeline since he got his powers, even if you cam back to the time he is just a human, you will just destroy the human body of him but he already exist in every universes and every timeline and every places he could be anywhere and everywhere
@@wenrhometorres1052 Insofar as I am aware Dr M can perceive the flow of time and space, but is limited to only being able to be in one spot within space/time at once. As in he can't warp reality on Earth while at the same time be warping reality in the core of a distant star. He also doesn't seem to have a way to handle tachyons blocking his sight of the timeline, something Lucifer can freely create and control. Wrapped in tachyons now and facing the one who molded the entire multiverse, I'm sure he could just slap Dr. M in a pocket universe full of nothing but tachyonss. with only one force, electromagnetic (for the tachytons) and boom. Dr. M is permanently stuck in this pocket universe which will probably get put into the arsenal of heaven under the watch of Elaine.
@@yatharth7703 You do know that mxy is way beyond him right? First if all he's a fifth dimensional imph who scales even above Darkseid on multiple occasion and can destroy all of reality and the entirety of the multi verse and recreat it
Franklin as an adult is still "just" a Celestial/Galactus level being. DM was depicted a bit beyond that imo. Also, we know that Galactus and Franklin, due to conflicting future timelines and stories (Thanos Wins, Thor #6, Immortal Hulk, etc), will not survive the end of everything as Galactus says. Furthermore, Franklin needed the power of The Beyonders bestowed upon him by Molecule Man, along with the help of his father and Valeria to recreate the multiverse after Secret Wars. He also needed the combined power of his child self and adult self to resurrect Galactus. Mxy saying what he said about DM is easily above composite Franklin's feats even as merely a statement. Additional context, everything DM has done has been completely casual and almost effortless. Franklin has shown upper limits to his warping powers and has exerted himself on several occasions.
I agree especially with your last point. Dr. Manhattan has never done anything to suggest that he is at full power. He is apathetic and has no interest in grand displays of universe warping. If he needs something done he does it as efficiently as he can, which is most of the time not very flashy. I think the way Moore wrote him, we can assume there isn't really an upper limit to his "power" because it isn't really a superpower - rather he is just omnipotent. A narrative device that isn't meant to have a weakness at all.
Not to mention doctor Manhattan has manipulated retcons.. which is not the same thing as manipulating universes and timelines. He literally broke the 4th wall lol. Doctor Manhattan has never ever had to physically fight anyone. Even 5th dimensional beings. Hes completely outterversal. Where youd start to have legit debates would be doctor Manhattan vs people like micheal and Lucifer who are also not bound by the rules of the DC multiverse.
Tony Bland "Franklin as an adult is still "just" a Celestial/Galactus level being."? Bro. Franklin made galactus his herold. he is not a galactus (power) lvl-being. he is above him. thats like you call silver surver a galactus lvl being
@@mar2506 Mxy has always just shown localized reality warping. He has never shown reality warping on the scale of Franklin or Dr Manhattan so beating him isn’t much of a feat. Secondly Dr Manhattan didn’t beat perpetua, batman who laughs did with the power of Dr Manhattan WHILE amped by all the negative energy from the dark universe…. With that being said Franklin has shown substantially more power consistently. Dude has been creating whole universes since he was a toddler. Manhattan hasn’t created a universe much less destroyed one yet 😂
@@khaleeldane2529 mxy is clearly more powerful than franklin. Wonder woman defeated perpetua with fraction of manhattans power Manhattan tried to fix the multiverse, quintessence gathered some of his leftover and gave to justice league and wonder woman defeated perpetua, lex luthor explaines it to us in death Metal 1. Manhattan is at least 5-6 leagues/tiers above Franklin. He affected/ restarted 3-4 multiverses.he defeated both perpetua and Mxyzptlk, erased amortal pandora and metron. he also has many different abilities. . Franklin would not be more than an atom for manhattan. Manhattan >perpetua >>>alpheus >>>>mxyzptlk >Franklin richards. Manhattan >perpetua +mxyzptlk +pandora +metron + energy on mobius chair +clark+restart of multiverses . Franklin even failed to defeat 2-3 celestial. Creating pocket universe means nothing Manhattan is high omniversal being, Franklin is only high multiversal being. Manhattan is considered superior to even pr beyonder. Even in tiering forums(that is not the right the way to compare) Manhattan is classed as high 1a, mxyzptlk is high 1c and Franklin is 2a, having 4-5 tiers between them.
@@mar2506 show me Mxy doing anything on a universal scale 😂. Show me Mxy creating or destroying a universe… stop it . Wonder Woman didn’t beat perpetual she beat Batman who laughs and it had nothing to do with dr Manhattan. 😅
Im not a hardcore Dr.M fan but you forgot that Franklins powers aren't limitless, he can run out of energy which is why he had his younger self storing up power throughout his life. Also Dr.M body is just a projection he exist on a much higher level of reality so yes while Franklin may beat that projection he would just reappear and the fight would continue until Franklin ran out of gas. This will simply become a battle of attrition against a guy with limitless lives and energy.
Franklin Richards has control over the fundamental forces of the universe (electromagnetism, gravity, strong and weak force), warping reality (space-time), chronokinesis (time travel), cosmic telepathy and telekinesis, particle energy and matter manipulation. If we have to put Franklin Richards in the DC hierarchy, he would have to be a fifth (Mr. Myx/Imagination) or sixth (Anti-Monitor, Mandrakk/Multiversal Control Room) dimensional being (Franklin Richards and The Molecule Man rebuild the multiverse after it collapsed, so he's Multiversal.) Doctor Manhattan's consciousness is spread across time and he can manipulate matter on subatomic scale. That would make Dr Manhattan, a fourth dimensional being. (And no he's not more powerful than Mr. Mxyzptlk, because that being power levels is inconsistent). Dr. Manhattan has all the powers Franklin got but reality warping and telepathy. And that why this battle will not take place on the physical but astral plane. Manhattan in the Marvel Hierarchy would be on par with low tier cosmic abstracts like Galactus, In-Betweener, Order & Chaos. While we can agree Franklin Richards is as far beyond the cosmic abstracts as mutants are as far beyond human. Long story short, Franklin Richards (revived Galactus twice and make him your herald, destroyed Mephisto twice as a kid, wipe the floor with universal celestials, made universes out of nothing, build multiverses and 'his imagination run wild', will live even after the big crunch, the nothingness of Oblivion and the big bang of the 9th universe) is not getting destroyed by a naked blue man that keeps talking about time.
@@DementionalMephista Franklin can wipe the floor with Celestials. Celestials, a race from the first firmament/universe that can manipulate the space-time, energy and matter. He one-shotted Nezarr the Calculator through his head and speed blitzes through Eson the Searcher chest/heart. Arishem the Listener (in a woman's form) chose to interact with Franklin Richards as a child in his Heroes Reborn universe and when she touched his soul, she felt less than him "for the first time she felt small". This is the 'sister' Tiamut the Dreaming Celestial. I think he can handle himself just fine.
Read my comment as to why it wouldn’t. It’s two totally different levels of powers displayed. Your talking about someone who can manipulate and reset the sandbox to his own liking while the other can just completely create a new one from absolutely nothing.
@@brycel.8291 Ur delusional, Dr Manhattan reset the MULTIVERSE and created a new one. Franklin RIchards only created small universes and he also lost his power now sooo HAHA
dude thats useless cause its also dr manhattan power. he can do whatever he wants. the difference is franklin richard is a Mortal while dr manhattan is a God/Immortal Manhattan's body exist in the higher dimension so franklin can die and be killed while dr manhattan is immortal in their diemnsions
Hard for who????????? Loki made the Demolisher ur 1st original Doomsday it killed Thor who Surfer revived with his cosmic might.Then it easily snapped Surfers board to pieces barehands only😱😱😱😱😱Hulk is not the strongest there is.
@@jaimeup5976 that sentence makes no sense, everyone was dead and now they are alive, tell me where is the difference? give me facts, specifics, or just shut up
Damn I never thought about the telepathy thing. Thats gotta give Franklin a massive edge. Manhattan is somewhat unstable as is, meaning he has become numb to ... life.
Manhattan understands that even 'warping' is still physics, just complex physics at work. Dr. Manhattan understands the universe on a far more advanced level than Franklin ever could. Franklin has mortality and can be physically destroyed, Manhattan's existence is beyond form, rendering many of Franklin's abilities useless. Manhattan's body is not him, it is a vessel he uses to work through. Franklin's Telepathic abilities wouldnt work on Manhattan's form as much as it would a tree husk.
I think it’s worth pointing out that Franklin is not just an ordinary Beyond Omega Level mutant, but a Cosmic Constant. He is literally a fundamental part of the Earth 616 universe. Also, if Franklin can turn a Celestial’s energy blast into flowers, many of Doctor Manhattan’s attacks are rendered useless as well.
@@maxblake5564 celestals mean nothing to manhattan manhattan is like 10 tiers above celestials manhattan>perpetua>>alpheus>>mxy>celestials even alpheus has omniversal feat. what manhattan has done is totally diferent than defeating bunch of celestials
He has shown to take the Fantastic Four powers seeing how their non mutants but Manhattan has transcended beyond the regular plain of existences of the DC Mutliverse like the beings in the Sphere of the Gods. It is worth noting that he is stronger than Darkseid who’s true form can destroy creation and Mr Mxyzptlk who can destroy and recreate the multiverses several times over
Anyone can have their powers taken away or negated for a time if put in the proper situation. If Franklin put someone in a pocket universe that he created in which the laws of it are that, "All reality and manipulation is only under his control", it's possible. Even though people in comics can create and manipulate realities, there are always laws to it in some form or fashion. Just like in Heroes Reborn, Franklin had to choose to prevent the main universe from being destroyed, so he pulled everything he loved from it back into the main because of laws plus checks and balances. But a pocket universe to fight in, then destroy afterwards would be nothing.
What do you mean by transport him? The blue man we imagine when we think of Dr. Manhattan is just something for us to look at. It's not Dr. Manhattan. Dr. Manhattan exists beyond the reality people act inside of. He exerts influence on it from the outside. Franklin Richards can create or destroy as many pocket universes as he wants and it doesn't change the fact that he himself still lives and exists within the reality that everyone else does. If he were to try and fight Dr. Manhattan the only way he could win is by creating the ultimate negotiator and convincing Manhattan through persuasive argument to concede the fight. Manhattan on the other hand has more options available to win the fight.
ive heard about this. so would that mean the entire multiverse exists in a small space inside this higher dimension? wouldnt all the top reality warpers be able to access this? isnt this why can they reality warp in the first place? they change the rules in this space.
@@00J-Tone picture the universe as pile of clays, reality warpers can bend those clays to create and erase anything. But for dr. Manhattan, instead of the clays, he is the artist, having much more control over anything below him unlike other reality warpers who can only exist in the clays but have some influence over it
@@00J-Tone Manhattan has never shown and limit to his capacity. The only thing he has ever done is limit himself by choice by simply choosing not to do something. Manhattan has stated that there are 'strings' that exist, definitive controls over reality that no one can break. Manhattan has shown that, due to that knowledge, he is actually capable of denying those strings, but openly chooses not to. He chooses to obey the strings limitations even though he could easily break it by doing the opposite of what he sees the strings telling him to do. That is compliance to the way things will go, IE comic writing directions, whereas Franklin has no idea there is a controlling factor that even controls him. Basically, Manhattan sees Pre-Destiny at all times and could break it if he chose, but he always chooses not to because he is a philosopher and sees the philosophical reason to not do so. Franklin doesnt even know that things will always be a certain way regardless of what he tries to do, he is always predestined to do it because he doesnt know what the strings are saying. Manhattan is the only one that can break Pre-destiny if he chose to.
@@KaunPrime interesting stuff. i kinda wish they had a what if dr manhattan stop giving af and went amok kind of story. feel like hes always gonna be underleveled like with rob if there isnt such a story. i get its against his character but cmon we need something. i was honestly surprised with franklin richards beat him according to rob. i thought it would be like a dr manhattan is beyond franklin richards scope of influence so he wins by default. isnt he only acting his the known dimension but resides in a much higher dimension?
This was a perfect explanation of both characters powers and feats and you did an amazing job of explaining why you felt Franklin Richards could take the win. I loved it!
I can see Dr.M & franklin having a dope convo sharing similar views/philosophy but in the end is a hair thin line which divides the 2, thus commence battle.
It's gonna be Dr Manhattan.... all powerful Naked God.. he can evolve rapidly. he's so OP but his character his so deep ... We need more of such videos
@@Khaleel85 yes ... He can even travel through time... He was unable to do so at the beginning but he learns n evolves rapidly... He loves to experiment with Universe
9House Same can be said about Franklin Richards though, and in fact, with him having “Chronokinesis” since his powers manifested he would have a better understanding of time manipulation than Dr. M. Dr. M. is present for events all at the same time so his actions would cause them to play out but he cant constantly go back to change events. That requires him to be able to control Tachyons which disrupt his physical existence within the universe at that point in time. I’m not saying it’s impossible but as of canon continuity he hasn’t been able to understand & control tachyons, time is the only concept he truly doesn’t have a full understanding of & since he has no fundamental understanding of it he can’t control it. So this theory actually goes to Richards who has been proven to operate out of time if he so chooses it.
One more thing is Dr Manhattan don't really show his full power... He uses power only if he's curious about smthg ... So who knows what he's capable of.. he's potential is limitless... He's omnipotent omniscient omnipresent Exists across space n time .... He's God.. But Franklin Richards is mutant.. I'm not sure but he should have those weaknesses which all mutants has.... He's made of DNA etcetera... But Dr Manhattan choose to be in humanoid Form... He's more like a superconcious being existing in higher dimension
@@bhuvaneshs.k638 the events of watchmen themselves proves that he isn't omniscient. Asmodeus was able to generate tachyons that Dr.M couldn't see through
Well I think that you are on point on this one as well. I mean the mad celestials that Franklin fought were so powerful that they killed other powerhouses like Infinity so in terms of actual battle prowess he is on top. Plus the fact that even Galactus acknowledged that only Franklin and him remain at the end of all says that he is probably going to grow way more and as such his abilities could also develop as well. All in all I think that it would be a close battle.
In Marvel they have come to a hick up were the Silver Surfer has not only stopped Knull before the big bang, he spared the being who was to become Galactus. The last beings as the end have yet again been accredited to Bruce Banner, the One Above All and Below All it even speaks of Franklin mistaken that it will be him and Galactus that's a error on Marvels part having contradictions like that. Watchman before DC's involvement there are no contradictions to Dr. Manhattan and were he stands in the hierarchy, Franklin will have to deal with an unforeseeable number of existing versions of Dr. Manhattan's.
@@justinmcdonald2072 In the world of comics there is always contradictions...just a while back only Old King Thor and Old Man Phoenix were like the last few beings left in the universe...Phoenix naturally exists throughout the different iterations of the universe too....so yeah that statement of they being the last was grossly mistaken...perhaps in one possible future- sure, but there are many futures. I also think the craziest reality warper in Marvel has to go to Mad Jim Jaspers, not saying he is the strongest but he used reality warping in the strangest and grandest of ways...I also think he is stronger than Franklin since he was considered a multiversal level threat
@@Ephideltrance So far those contradictions don't exist with Dr. Manhattan, with those contradictions applied to the shifting narrative in Marvel. Watchmen applied a fixed scale where Dr. Manhattan is unmatched he holds his spot alone, when we get to judge there are contradictions but there is also facts one is Franklin has and can loose that top spot.
Manhattan does top tier God events w/o even trying, what's he capable of doing if he exerted himself? He's never even had competition, stronger then Myxz.
Even though Franklin Richards could create a universe in his hands Doctor Manhattan would be able to prevent that time travel is extremely under estimated in this situation
Honestly, I think it'd come down to an intellectual discussion of who they are, what they've done and where they foresee this "battle" leading towards - if they were to meet.
I honestly think you have to come at it from a different angle. Any battle of power would most like be stalemate. You have to look at who the characters are as a whole, Dr Manhattan is cold and callous and is willing to do anything that pleases him or to achieve his goal. No matter the consequence. Franklin has strong emotional attachments to his family, friends and the universe in general. I think Manhattan wins out of pure cold heartedness.
I my opinion, if this was pre-doomsday clock, Franklin richards would win, because Manhattan is mainly a matter manipulator, while Franklin is a reality warper, which gives him the upper hand. But if this was post doomsday clock, it would be Manhattan, because he is above mr. Mxy on power levels and was known to "Doctor up", destroy and recreate the DC multiverse in an instant, however we could also point out that Franklin, alongside molecule man, helped fix the marvel multiverse when it was destroyed by the beyonders during Secret Wars (as in God King Doom)
This is a really hard one. Dr Manhattans body isn’t actually him it’s just an avatar. He is kinda a floating consciousness that can affect the real world. Even if Franklin were to remove all matter so that Manhattan can’t materialize, he would still be alive. Then again maybe that is a win. You don’t have to kill your enemy to be the victor.
I think this would be a matter of “striking first”. And with Manhattans view on time he would know the battle would happen beforehand and therefore strike before Richards could negate his powers.
franklin couldn't negate them if he tried lol dr. manhattan on the other hand? could for sure negate franklin's powers since franklin himself is still no more than a human with mutated genetics.
@Dami The lanterns are NOTHING to manhattan. He sucked the power out of a green lantern's ring just to see what the power was made of lol saw magic once and was able to replicate it even stronger than his opponents could use it. He called it the scraps of creation and then insulted them for choosing such a weak power. Dr. Manhattan is an extra dimensional being. This means he is in the highest plane of existence for DC universe. This being the 6th dimension. He is more comparable to beings like the spectre, anti-monitor, the living tribunal in marvel, etc.
When it comes down to it, I really think it comes to who out smarts the other, first. I can see Franklin eventually defeating Dr Manhattan. But thinking like that means Dr. Manhattan wins round 1 or something like that. Really hard to call. I mean we've seen Franklin Richards go toe to toe with celestials. What were it happen if Dr. Manhattan were to go up against them. I mean what's stopping him from moving another thing a few inches away
Dr. Manhattan can't create universes from nothing, and is weak to tachyons, which block his foresight. Franklin can produce a bunch of tachyons to weaken Manhattan, then trap him in a pocket universe. Basically it boils down to Franklin can create multiverses from nothing, Manhattan hasn't been shown to be capable of that. That would be the deciding factor in favor of Franklin. I don't think Franklin could kill Manhattan (if that's even possible), but he could trap him, at least for a while. Pretty much a stalemate, as Manhattan would keep getting temporarily trapped by Franklin's tachyon > pocket universe combo, but Franklin can't kill Manhattan. They'd probably both agree that fighting each other is pointless, and just go their separate ways.
Franklin: Im about to disintegrate you Dr manhattan: Been there done that Im about to undo your existence Franklin: I dont feel so good I honestly think that dr manhattan should have won, clearly adult franklin is amoung the strongest beings in the marvel universe but that saying he is going against dr manhattan who can recreate his body from absolutly nothing and I really dont think that franklin can shut down dr manhattans precognition because manhattan is shown see long into his future to know what franklin is gonna do and how to counter franklins reality warping powers with his, manhattan also has the power of bio fusion to the point that we can exist at 2 to infinite amount of place at the same time. Its not really fair to put then up against eachother at this manner because the way dr manhattan is written he is shown to do literally anything and franklin seems to be limited to his physical body and if he gets killed he dies were as dr manhattan could rebuild his body again from nothing. Franklin has feats that outclass dr manhattan like creating galaxies when he was but a child but dr is also learning. Its like franklin is a man trying to be a god whiles dr manhattan is a god and tries to learn what it means to be human. Disclaimer: Im sure franklin fans will get upset but im also a marvel fan and it feels like franklin has hit a dead end here like he is going against the living tribunal. Anyways good day and leave your opinions in the description
They are both so Fing broken so it's hard to say! I think Dr. Manhattan would ultimately win he possess the least amount of humanity. He would off or torture a bunch of kids and feel next to nothing about it.
Itz Poz you're comparing someone with the power to alter timelines to someone with the power to create universes in the palm of his hands. That's the reason Franklin wins.
@@BowserStrange adult him is cosmic being and part of the universe law like Galactus, death, infinity and eternity. so no he is not really a human.. but he still have his humanity
@@rieqgreg2138 Dr.M From what I've seen is slowly losing his humanity due to the nature of his powers. Plus we've never seen Franklin out right erase some one out of existence.
Franklin Richards surrounds himself with tachyons, walks up to Dr. Manhattan, shreds him at a molecular level, filters his energies and puts them in Ben Grimm.
Good idea for sure... But that doesn't matter in the big picture because he's basically omnipresent. Say Dr. Manhattan clones himself an infinite number of times, spreads the clones through the whole of reality, and collapses the universe Franklin is in. He can do all of that simultaneously and instantly because his awareness transcends time. Heck, Dr. Manhattan could even see the event coming due to the tachyon blindness and his hyper analytical mind, and have all of that prepared already as a back up. Literally having his mind linked to infinite instances of himself through all of existence. Franklin would probably do something similar to counter that, but that's the thing... Now we are talking about a fight on a purely conceptual level between beings capable of literally anything. It's, "I pull out a bigger meta-conceptual gun times infinity"
I think in this case Franklins biggest weaknesses is his body. Manhattan can easily make him explode, give him a lobotomy, heart attack, etc. Dr Manhattan doesn't really have a body, if it gets destroyed he just creates another one. Dr Manhattan can fight forever while I imagine Franklin would get tired. I wonder if Rob's idea would work. Could Franklin just use his powers to make himself not tired?
I think it would be a stalemate. For Franklin to beat Doc he would have to remove the Doc's ability to remake himself at the very least, and getting into whether that is possible puts you in an endless back and forth that really can't reach a conclusion one way or another. Similar inability to reach a conclusion for the other side, could Doc alter Franklin's genetics and remove his powers along with the X gene? In either case you can't really square the circle to any reasonable degree. I think the fight would either last a few seconds, or last years, but either way they'd just walk away.
If we take the explanation of whatchmen universe beeing mind body dualism and mannhatans body beeind disintagrated and his mind conected to everything i think he would be above telekinesis, it would be pure determinism and he would be like a god that hasnt created himself, a living everything
"When and where" would Franklin beat Manhattan? If you don't understand the rhetorical value of the question, then you're missing the most important discrepancy between the two characters. Creating a multiverse is child's play for a being several dimensions above that multiverse. Think about it like this, when was the last time you felt threatened by a conceptual point in space? How about a conceptual straight line (things don't even exist for us until we consider the third dimension)? How about conceptual flat shapes (e.g. triangles, squares and circles)? The only things of meaningful merit to us are within our dimension of perspective, this is why beings like Darkseid are so powerful, and this understanding of the roles of dimensions vs universes is why I prefer DC's God entities to Marvel's. DC has found a way to make "omnipotent" a meaningful word by making several entities possess the quality, but to varying degrees, distinguished by their context. You and I, mere mortals, CREATE singular dimensional universes by thought alone, and we destroy them soon after without ever considering it "a thing" to have been done. We perform feats of this magnitude regularly all the way up to 3 dimensions, with our only hindrance being our mental capacity to conceive conceptual shapes and figures. Franklin can't win because his mind perceives snapshots of 4 dimensions (limited precognition) whereas Manhattan is simply presenting a stand-in of himself to us while actually existing several dimensions above our own. The DC universe, or any other 3D multiverse, to him, is strange preoccupation, no different than if you or I was obsessively concerned with a series of straight lines or triangles. The God of one of those triangles (Franklin), is naught but a line on paper to him. Imaginary Axis (TH-cam channel) did a series of videos detailing the extent of Darkseid's powers (and many other God characters) by illustrating these points rather eloquently if anyone is interested or still doesn't understand the point.
@@p.mil.1147 Very good point, "when and where". Creating a multiverse is child's play for a being several dimensions above that multiverse. Think about it like this, when was the last time you felt threatened by a conceptual point in space? How about a conceptual straight line (things don't even exist for us until we consider the third dimension)? How about conceptual flat shapes (e.g. triangles, squares and circles)? The only things of meaningful merit to us are within our dimension of perspective, this is why beings like Darkseid are so powerful, and this understanding of the roles of dimensions vs universes is why I prefer DC's God entities to Marvel's. DC has found a way to make "omnipotent" a meaningful word by making several entities possess the quality, but to varying degrees, distinguished by their context. You and I, mere mortals, CREATE singular dimensional universes by thought alone, and we destroy them soon after without ever considering it "a thing" to have been done. We perform feats of this magnitude regularly all the way up to 3 dimensions, with our only hindrance being our mental capacity to conceive conceptual shapes and figures. Franklin can't win because his mind perceives snapshots of 4 dimensions (limited precognition) whereas Manhattan is simply presenting a stand-in of himself to us while actually existing several dimensions above our own. The DC universe, or any other 3D multiverse, to him, is strange preoccupation no different than if you or I was obsessively concerned with a series of straight lines or triangles. The God of one of those triangles (Franklin), is naught but a line on paper to him.
@@daniell5740 Matter Manipulation is different from Reality Warping. I think Rob explained the difference in one of his videos. TL;DR MM is molding of the clay, while RW is making numerous clay out of nothing.
@@daniell5740 if there is a difference between the two so Doctor Manhattan edit the timeline Brier Creek dominantly she warps time and matter but he does not warp space.
Dude I'm not a hardcore Dr. Manhattan fan but I do think you're absolutely right. Both have a good set of similar and like abilities and since all you have to do is motivate Dr. Manhattan I think he probably would have a persona almost like Surfer. This was awesome.
eftultima So hypothetically, can Franklin use tachyons to disable that foresight and then go back in time and kill Manhattan before he becomes Manhattan.
@@Omar-od6ge Proabably the best video to show the scope of Manhattan's power is Imaginary Axis's video on him. So if anyone hasn't watched it then you should if you're a Manhattan fan. And by the way, if both are reality warpers then I can't see either of them slowing down or running out of energy or even being hurt by the other. Because if you can manipulate reality you can manipulate the reality of your state of existence... so I don't see a way of either of them doing anything to eachother lol. Manhattan seems to have Franklin's power, but just with a scientific basis or reasoning for it. And I'm suprised Rob didn't compare Franklin Richards to the reality warper that said Manhattan was far stronger than him. Because the problem with comparing Dr Manhattan to anyone else in power is that Dr Manhattan never really tries. He has an apathy to life and reality itself. Instead of seriously fighting all the hero's on Mars seriously he just studied their abilities. So yeah that's another thing. Manhattan has never been serious remotely.
John Watt so would someone going back in time to kill you, if you were dead then why would that person have reason to go back in the first place? That’s the problem with any form of time travel every action creates a new paradox, the only way it doesn’t is if you take the multiple timelines/multiverse idea.
I was thinking to myself," Franklin would just warp the space-time around Dr Manhattan and regress time to the point before he became takions or however it's spelled effectively stripping him of his powers" when you come out with " he'd create a pocket dimension where Manhattan wouldn't have powers"
@@Koooo4 well I'd like to say the same but from what we've seen of either character, Franklin just has such a superior understanding of complete manipulation that Dr Manhattan wouldn't be able to stop him or even perceive that there is actually a problem until it's already happened.
@@Koooo4 seeing as though we've seen Franklin as both a child and an adult, it all depends on which version is doing battle with Dr. Manhattan, like Rob said.
@@doublehelix2167 Its unlikely Franklin could destroy dr manhattan essence and manhattan could summon the guy who makes mutant powerless as manhattan isn't a mutant and then Franklin would be next to useless.
I love your content and your take on these types of confrontations but I think there’s one absolutely critical part of their powers you’ve missed. The fact that doctor Manhattan willed himself back into existence from literally nothing after the intrinsic field eliminator destroyed him on an atomic level trumps any other feat or ability either of these two characters have ever done. Reality warping and matter manipulation are fine and dandy but all that is “a posteriori” feats, things that have been done after their existence has been established. Dr. Manhattan created himself “a priori” meaning the first thing he did was create himself. From nothing nothing comes, and yet he did.
That's a good point, I've never seen him do that. Kinda think he could though. He could also have a backup of himself in a pocket universe he has created or even clone himself because of his precognition. Interesting fight though.
Wrong Dr. Manhattan is ridiculously op. TDK said with a fraction of Dr. Manhattans powers he could destroy infinite multiverses and even the Omniverse. And mr. mxyzptilk who is 5th dimensional said dr. Manhattan was leagues above him
Seeing that Dr Manhattan would know Richards was coming due to his omnipresence and omniscience, I think Dr Manhattan would have a huge heads up and be prepared to quickly dispatch of Richards
I think this comes down to how canon you class Mr Mxy being able to destroy the multiverse in Worlds funniest, in this he Destroys pretty everything in the multiverse and timelines. If this Mr Mxy is the same as the one who fears Dr M then Dr M should be massively more powerful. The issue is unseen potential of Dr M and we have not really seem him pushed to an upper limit, this could also be said for Franklin also however. Lets hope Doomsday clock 12 shows more. Edit - With Doomsday clock 12 now out we can easily say Dr manhattan is magnitudes more powerful able to wipe out everything in the DC metaverse and restart it.
Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't wait for that to come up to do this mash up. We might have had a clearer idea of Manhattan's power. It should be out in the next few days assuming it doesn't get delayed again... but then again considering how many times it has gotten delayed, haha!
@@darkwyve I think it may be very Plot driven and not really respectful of how powerful we have seen manhattan if superman somehow punches out a dude that can wave him away with a gesture so im very interested as to what they plan on doing. The real fight i actually want is Batman vs Ozymandius as honestly thats far more interesting of a battle.
@@gregleaguegaming3228 Well Superman is well protected after all. He's got the most powerful gear in any known universe... Plot Armor. ;) Seriously though when beings become 'plot devices' in stories it does pretty much nullify the relevancy of their power levels so you have a valid point. I also agree that Batman vs. Ozymandius done by the proper writers could be a fantastic and far more compelling story.
Pretty sure your right I like franklin more then dma (atleast dc vers) but dma wins this easy like someone said Franklin is still human his power comes from his genes. Dma gets his power from his whole being so his powers are way harder to manipulate.
i still have the live record when i asked you who would win and you said Dr Manhattan! now, you changed your mind. don't forget. Franklin can maybe create that universe. but, it will remain game play for dr Manhattan. what about all is other copy if him elsewhere.
Well considering things change on the landscape of comics and feats reveal new power levels or limitations, it makes sense his perspective could (and would) change. I just don't understand why he didn't wait at least a few more days for Doomsday Clock #12 to come out just in case it shows feats that enhance or lessen Manhattan's power level, so he could take that into account. What happens there could easily invalidate this whole video in just a couple of days. (Guess that's a reason for him to do an update video though, haha!)
I also remember when he used to say power scaling was bs when this whole series is literally power scaling! I personally think that's why he puts it on patreon where it's not easily obtainable.
Shannon Shifflett hi personally think he hate Dr Manhattan and was tired of Me and other asking for Dr Manhattan info and video. and yes Franklin is the favorite one of Rob. so, he did it to piss off some fans😂 I just hate he forgot so many info that he put into other video about the Dr. he already defeated so many reality warper. the difference between both is also, Franklin can die and won't come back. Dr Manhattan will just recreate himself.
@@lucdallaire9047 Also Franklin's power is connected to his genetic self and tied to continuity. If his entire form is obliterated or someone changes the past he can cease to exist. This has been proven to be unable to happen to Manhattan, so those advantages are in his favor as well. I'm not really certain Rob wanted to intentionally piss people off, maybe ruffle a few feathers for fun, which is going to happen when you are doing hypotheticals like this anyway. But yes, Franklin is clearly one of his favorites, so he's a bit biased to start with. I accept this though, because we all have bias one way or another, since we're all human.
How the fight begins with these two: They’re both having dinner, but Dr. Manhattan alters the timeline to make it so they’re eating his favourite meal. Franklin, having undergone quite the effort to cook the meal is mad and changes what they’re having back to what franklin initially cooked. *ALL HELL BREAKS LOSE BECAUSE OF THIS*
I'm glad this is the content you put behind a paywall. As cool as these videos are they are more opinion based and usually don't have a definitive ending. I hope Patreon works out for you, I know TH-cam is slackin' on the paychecks nowadays, lol. See you next vid...or hear you if there's no facecam, lol.
A lot of you have asked to see a preview of the kind of vs videos we do on Patreon. Here is one of the episodes. Check out www.patreon.com/comicsexplained for more.
Yes yes yes. Naked blue guy vs. Boymangod
Heyyy .... What happened to Marvel Zombies resurrection...??
Galactus engine was falling to earth ... Where's Franklin Richards
Wish I had money for you. Your videos keep me going through my schizophrenia and depression. I really appreciate you.
I agree with this completely. Especially if the Phoenix Force is present in the universe Franklin creates. Then it's a complete wash.
Franklin hasn't really done that much when you think about it
I think hes a fraud
Me: About to fall asleep
Rob: *Franklin Richards vs Dr. Manhattan*
Blake Wisniewski 😂🤣
I too didn't sleep because of this match up.
Ikr?!
Same🤣
Blake Wisniewski ok boomer
"The world's smartest man is no more a threat to me than the world's smartest termite."
I always thought that line was bull. Science created him so sufficiently advanced science could destroy him.
@@Laidbackjames1 watchmen the tv show backs up that
@@Laidbackjames1 It's not true that what science can create it can also destroy. Creation and destruction are almost always two very different processes, and science is intrinsic to empirical testing which is inherently limited. For example, it would be relatively much much simpler to create a black hole than to destroy one. A good way to look at this is the common idiom that the sum of the parts is not always equal to the sum of the whole. We should also remember that Dr. Manhattan as written by Alan Moore isn't really meant to be an airtight scientific theorem of invincibility to be poked and prodded at with rhetoric, but rather the IDEA of omnipotence. Moore isn't concerned with HOW he has all of his power, he is more interested in telling us what that does to his characters and the world at large. A philosophical problem, not an empirical one.
now there's an idea I hope was done in the silver age, hank pym vs the worlds smartest termite.
@@thegreaterconundrum Bullshit. Name one thing that we have created with science that we cannot also destroy.
Franklin Richards: Hold my baby universe.
Dr. Manhattan: Hold my testicles.
How can you fight a man with his dick hanging out?
@@TimisDaniel Exactly. No debate here imo
Didn't Dr M died in order to save a planet?! And he died as well in the tv series. Can we all agree he is outmatched as hell?
@@Raximus3000 lol no
@@TimisDaniel
How is he not outmatched?? His abilities although impressive are actualy quite limited if fixing a planet and making a "superman?!" is too much for him while Franklin can make universes and warp reality without any backlashes.
I'd think the scope in their capabilities is obvious.
Lol Mr Mxyp creates and destroys infinite amounts of universes, and Mr Mxyp said manhattan is leagues above him
This... I thought Franklin would win, but then I thought of Mr Mxyp
Franklin reformed the Multi-Verse
@@FSparrowToons when molecule man gave control of the beyonders powers to Reed Richards and franklin helped rebuild. That's not much of a feat. Manhattan took down all the DC big heavy hitters, including white lanterns, and was said to be stronger than Mxy.
@@FSparrowToons Yeah..And the Doc one shotted a being (pandora) who was capable of defeating someone that can destroy the entire multi verse...
Facts
Rob actually gives feats and reasoning to his awnser unlike some people on comic threads that literally just say someone "stomps"
He gave pretty much no feats for dr Manhattan.
Yeah Rob stomps
@@jeremywatters2295 dr Manhattan is his own feat
No. Most the time he’s wrong about the characters. He is awful at power scaling. If you want good scaling go to chuck and Seth the programmer. I still like this too.
Splash?
I think the fight would be less a fight and more a friendly competition on who is the best reality warper.
J'acob Albers they would team up and establish a multiversal order
@Dick Grayson lol shoo fly
@Jack park
And he reaches a limit!!!
@ Dr. Manhattan understands that even 'warping' is still physics, just complex physics at work. Dr. Manhattan understands the universe on a far more advanced level than Franklin ever could. Franklin has mortality and can be physically destroyed, Manhattan's existence is beyond form, rendering many of Franklin's abilities useless. Manhattan's body is not him, it is a vessel he uses to work through. Franklin's Telepathic abilities wouldnt work on Manhattan's form as much as it would a tree husk.
@Dick Grayson I agree with u tho I don't get why u answered on this comment thread, yours would have been a great conversation starter as a comment thread by itself. Manhattan = a character, Franklin = A writers tool
The most OP video doesn’t ex-
Rob: Hold my beer.
Nahhh... he would probably say something like this
The mosr OP video doesn't ex-
Rob: Hold my Golden Girls CD 😂😂😂
More like "Rob: hold my virginity"
@@capital_beaz4725 why? I don't get it
You forget the presence vs the one above all?
@@spicyladjr3650 there's no winner by definition of omnipotence
Two broken characters meet in a bar.
P.S. I’m glad people get the reference
Charecters are broken because people hate them I guess. I don't think ANY charecter is broken. They were made how the writer wanted them to be made. The stories and timelines they are put in may be broken, different writers not understanding REPERCUSSIONS of changing them in different timelines may be broken but the charecters and the powers they hold aren't.
Rare Onyx calling a character broken is not about having animosity or a distain for the character it’s highlighting that character’s ability/powers that for the most part transcend human understanding.
@@rareonyxcourtney3287 what are you talking about. A broken character in this, and most contexts is about their powers and not the story or how compelling they are. It's basically saying overpowered, wich can be applied to both of these characters
@@sonny061188 I understand that. I was merely playing on the fact that most people call charecters broken when the dislike what they do. I still stand by the jist of my statement that charecters writers make aren't broken. Rhe stories they're depicted in and twisting timelines are. If you make a charecter with certain powers in a certain way I'm sure you're not on drugs when you do it with such intricate details. You know what you want him for and he you want him used. However with the many stories done by many writers with different understandings and different timelines it confuses things. Though I digress, you think they're broken, I along with the writers that made them and many others don't.
@@sonny061188 I should add I'm sure you're not alone in thinking they're broken. Many others probably agree with you as well. Some people also think Marvel is broken. Go figure.
Franklin wins he has enough intelligence to wear clothes.
I agree. Franklin only wins by fashion
@Mr Temporal animals dont wear clothes. Guess they are smarter than you 😂
hahahahahahahahahahah yes
dr manhattan is being awfully humble, his body is only a physical vessel for the purpose of convenience, which means he could make his penis literally kilometric, he doesn't wear clothes to flex, flexing on everyone with the fact that he could flex on everyone harder than anyone ever flexed but doesn't cause to him no puny human flex could ever come close to his smallest pinky flex, so he doesn't bother. every time u see doctor manhattan junk im sorry to say but you just got flexed on
I await my nobel prize in the mail, ur welcome
You mean not enough dong not to.
After Doomsday Clock Manhattan literally blinks him out of existence
I'm not pissed that Manhattan would potentially lose. I think that it's a little unfair seeing as how Franklin has had a lot more comic coverage than Manhattan
After doomsday clock dr.manhattan would definitely win. He can end everything with a thought. Frnaklin has been bested numerous times. Dr.manhattan has never lost a confrontation as he is above that.
Dr.manhattan can reboot DC if need be and did at the end of doomsday clock.
@@melvingenao550 The version of Franklin that was discussed can also end everything with a thought. And yes, Franklin has been bested...but, by what? Usually it's things like The Beyonders. Manhattan also hasn't been challenged nearly as many times as Franklin. It's easy to go undefeated with his power set while not facing multiversal threats. Franklin has experience fighting entities exactly like Manhattan, and more powerful. Manhattan doesn't. Do we even know how Manhattan would react trying to simply blink someone out of existence and it not working?
Manhattan reset the Entire DC Multiverse. What has Franklin done to even come close? Shape a thousand worlds Created by Owen
@@johnsmjs36 Manhattan only altered that universes timeline. Franklin has literally created entire universes and realities from nothing. Manhattan is simply manipulating what's already there, where Franklin is creating his own matter and energy. It's like comparing a volcano to a Bic lighter, because they're both hot
johnsmjs36 he “reset” everything by physically going through time and moving things not by just thinking about it
honestly its whos aware of the other first, and willingness
Considering Dr. Manhattan experiences all time at once (unlike Franklin who only has precognition) , Doc. wins the awareness bit.
But does he erase Franklin or get rid of his powers or what?
Willingness to strike first and hard enough the other won't return. I get the feeling reading Dr. Manhattan he's almost bored or tired of life so....
No it is not. It has more to do with experience. Name one opponent Dr. Manhanttan has faced that is on the same level as the celestials? Let alone several celestials who are insane. It's putting a rookie phenom heavyweight boxer undefeated at 11-0 record who faced paper champions(Manhattan) against a champion heavyweight boxer 45-2 record who happens to be one of the best of all time based on his records against similar opponents.
Franklin lives in both futher and past he would have information and knowledge of Dr. M before the Dr. was even born
@@kcopara1 Manhattan did experiment with the DC universe
It's so funny how these guys are *ridiculously* OP but there is still a lot of villians murdering people
*like just get rid of all villians*
How....do you get rid of evil ?
I mean, Dr. Manhattan just doesn't care and I'm pretty sure Franklin Richards does just that, then travels space/time fighting other reality warpers.
That's no fun tho
You run into moral and ethical questions then. Logic bro
You should know that the term "villain" is honestly defined as an opinion. Theres no scientific fact that determines what a villain is, it's a mixture of ethical perspective and a fundamental setting of what we consider morality in society. That's why it would never work, as thanos tried doing in infinity war for example. The majority saw his vision as evil, but in his eyes, it was true justice.
Post Doomsday-Clock, Manhattan. Franklin Richards can create universes and such, but Manhattan was able to manipulate and change a _metaverse,_ changing the DC *multiverse* on a narrative level. That's something far, far beyond anything Franklin ever managed. In DC's own universe, that feat puts him close to the "I always win" level of the Cosmic Armor Superman Thought Robot. He's also powerful enough to de-grimdark Watchmen, and that's just ridiculously OP.
Ask yourself a question: Did Manhattan do that on his own?
@@RealCP3 I mean...he had minions, but I don't think he had help from any higher power.
@@RealCP3Yes yes he did.
Me studying for finals.
Rob: Dr. Manhattan vs Franklin
Me: Well I’m on break and man whose gonna win here cause honestly this is very close.
Your going to be a fucking Loser
@@capital_beaz4725 You would know. Trolling people from your parent's basement in-between licking those windows and eating those crayons, pal.
How about getting out of there and going to school once in a while. Then you'll know the difference between 'your' and 'you're' and how to use a period.
Shannon Shifflett GOT EM!
@@capital_beaz4725 why did you feel the need to say this
@@darkwyve damn, that was brutal
2:07 Black Bolt's face in the last panel is me when somebody opens a bag of chips
Roooooooflmaaaaaooooooooo 🤣
Pre doomsday clock: adult Franklin richards
Post doomsday clock: Dr. Manhattan
And even then, franklin wouldn't be able to kill manahtten since he survived total annihilation and came back as if nothing happend
So true
@@username.exenotfound2943 hard debate being annihilated and coming back doesn’t really mean you still can’t be annihilated again lol
@@IGE5923 dr manhattan was stated by mxzptlyk to be far beyond him, mxy can hold the whole multiverse in his hand and emperor joker could destroy the whole multiverse yet manhattan is far beyond him
@@username.exenotfound2943 Franklin still smacks
Well Manhattan's "precognition" really isn't. It's not a mental thing. It's about how he actually perceives time. So Franklin Richards wouldn't be able to just block that with his mind.
Tachyon particles are able to cloud dr manhattan view of time as shown in the Watchmen. Assuming franklin can generate them in large quantities, blinding Dr. Manhatten is entirely possible.
When DC is you’re favorite by far but franklin is possibly your favorite character
I don’t think I’ve ever heard or seen Franklin Richards resurrect himself. Meanwhile we all know Dr Manhattan can do this effortlessly and has displayed it.
It isn't even him really dying, as it is just a form he uses, a form he can alter in any shape or way he chooses. Manhattan, imo, decimates Franklin due to his extremely advanced understanding of the universe and the simple fact that Franklin is limited to his body and has exhibited limits. The only thing capable of hindering Manhattan is Tachyon particles and all they do is blind him from the far future, they cant even kill him as Adrian's failure showed.
DM have to resurrect because he died. FR never even close to dying.
Bcoz FR can’t die he’s just too op
Yatharth nah. Galactus has stated he won’t survive the end. Meaning he can die. Unlike DM
Kamran Kambang Galactus has stated he won’t survive the dying of the universe. So he can die. Permanently. DM defies death.
Beyond Omega level: Monarch
Beyond Omega level: Strange Visitor Superman
But Monarch always gets beat by the Venture Brothers
Beyond Omega Level: The Venture Bros
Eric White Lol u might be talking about something else 😂
@@user-fr6qn9xl9e you know it gotta be Brock
@@Gary_From_Vault_108 lol
Rob vs the Dr. Manhattan fans, who would win?
Rob has already won using their own power feats against them
No all he did was jerk off Reed.
@@jeremywatters2295 Nah all he did was spit facts
@@somethingwitty3300 Dr. Manhattan vs Anxiety Teens
@@jeremywatters2295 even though he gave a great explanation to both of there abilities
I feel like after what we just saw in the doomsday conclusion, Manhattan would win.
I'll have to humbly disagree on this one. It's a delicate dance between the two. There is only one Franklin Richards that can create from nothing but there can be many Dr. Manhattans. The idea of creating a universe to seal Manhattan's cognition is faulty. It would be like jarring water underwater in addition to events being seen before ideas. It would not get pass his initial one and him being "everywhere" at once (this includes outside the universe). Franklin is powerful indeed, however, he has a time line that can be changed. This is where Dr. Manhattan gets the upper edge because time, space, and emotion are not variables for Dr.Manhattan. Reeds power is DECIDED by Dr. Manhattan. Manhattan could essentially one day become one with time itself. Dr. Manhattan's legitimate weakness is logic. He can only be convinced. Batman, has more of a chance of "defeating" Manhattan as strange as it seems
You heard the part of him using his precognitive abilities to limit his “everywhere at all times” argument right? It’s how they even defeated him in the watchman
@@nonkasfilms To think that Dr. Manhattan didn't see the idea before Franklin would be reckless itself. Dr. Manhattan sees the conflict before it even mattered to Reed. Let's keep that in mind
@@HotdogJuice no he doesn't. Manhattan has shown before that his abilities are faulty at times. Plus Manhattan isn't omniscient he doesn't know why things happen he just knows they do and Franklin Richards reality warping is more than enough to fool him. Hell even Manhattan couldn't see past Superman and was willing to be hit by him. Imagine that had been an equally powerful reality warper
@@elmjojokes7782 dr manhattan from the future was obscuring his own view of what happened after superman's charge. it literally takes an equally powerful reality warper to do what youre describing there
"Insert Superhero Here" vs. Dr. Manhattan
Dr. Manhattan deconstructs his opponent at the subatomic level.
Lucifer just goes to the Watchmen universe and kills Manhattan before he gets his powers. Problem solved.
John Cena
Dustin Mock uhm bruh do you know that dr manhattan doesn’t belong to any timeline since he got his powers, even if you cam back to the time he is just a human, you will just destroy the human body of him but he already exist in every universes and every timeline and every places he could be anywhere and everywhere
@@wenrhometorres1052 Insofar as I am aware Dr M can perceive the flow of time and space, but is limited to only being able to be in one spot within space/time at once. As in he can't warp reality on Earth while at the same time be warping reality in the core of a distant star.
He also doesn't seem to have a way to handle tachyons blocking his sight of the timeline, something Lucifer can freely create and control. Wrapped in tachyons now and facing the one who molded the entire multiverse, I'm sure he could just slap Dr. M in a pocket universe full of nothing but tachyonss. with only one force, electromagnetic (for the tachytons) and boom. Dr. M is permanently stuck in this pocket universe which will probably get put into the arsenal of heaven under the watch of Elaine.
Dustin Mock you have some point but about the first part? I think you’re underestimating drm maybe you could watch a vid of “the imaginary axis”
Mr mxyzptlk: He's way beyond me
Rob: Nah its franklin who'll win😂
I.luv_ honey franklin is an omega level mutant duh 🙄 don’t be mad about it He’s just too op
@@yatharth7703 You do know that mxy is way beyond him right?
First if all he's a fifth dimensional imph who scales even above Darkseid on multiple occasion and can destroy all of reality and the entirety of the multi verse and recreat it
@@yatharth7703 I suggest you watch the full video to understand what I mean- th-cam.com/video/gp6UDRfSEr8/w-d-xo.html
@@yatharth7703 And Dr Manhattan scales above that also don't be mad about it Dr Manhattan is just too op
The Stranger dude chill lol
Ooh doctor manhattan vs Franklin Richards that’s really awesome and badass
Franklin as an adult is still "just" a Celestial/Galactus level being. DM was depicted a bit beyond that imo. Also, we know that Galactus and Franklin, due to conflicting future timelines and stories (Thanos Wins, Thor #6, Immortal Hulk, etc), will not survive the end of everything as Galactus says. Furthermore, Franklin needed the power of The Beyonders bestowed upon him by Molecule Man, along with the help of his father and Valeria to recreate the multiverse after Secret Wars. He also needed the combined power of his child self and adult self to resurrect Galactus. Mxy saying what he said about DM is easily above composite Franklin's feats even as merely a statement. Additional context, everything DM has done has been completely casual and almost effortless. Franklin has shown upper limits to his warping powers and has exerted himself on several occasions.
I agree especially with your last point. Dr. Manhattan has never done anything to suggest that he is at full power. He is apathetic and has no interest in grand displays of universe warping. If he needs something done he does it as efficiently as he can, which is most of the time not very flashy. I think the way Moore wrote him, we can assume there isn't really an upper limit to his "power" because it isn't really a superpower - rather he is just omnipotent. A narrative device that isn't meant to have a weakness at all.
Also we’ve seen DM resurrect himself. I don’t think FR can do that if he’s disintegrated.
Not to mention doctor Manhattan has manipulated retcons.. which is not the same thing as manipulating universes and timelines. He literally broke the 4th wall lol. Doctor Manhattan has never ever had to physically fight anyone. Even 5th dimensional beings. Hes completely outterversal. Where youd start to have legit debates would be doctor Manhattan vs people like micheal and Lucifer who are also not bound by the rules of the DC multiverse.
Tony Bland
"Franklin as an adult is still "just" a Celestial/Galactus level being."?
Bro. Franklin made galactus his herold. he is not a galactus (power) lvl-being. he is above him. thats like you call silver surver a galactus lvl being
You under estimate franklin. He is not just celestial level, he is in fact right below the one above all in power.
Dr. Manhattan would win. He would scan Richard's biology and remove his X-gene. Game over. This is honestly the most realistic outcome.
Franklin created his X-gene to fake being a mutant. He's not a mutant, lol. Go read up
@TreeRexWasTaken hardly as manhattan defeated perpetua and mxyzptlk
franklin cant harm manhattan
@@mar2506 Mxy has always just shown localized reality warping. He has never shown reality warping on the scale of Franklin or Dr Manhattan so beating him isn’t much of a feat.
Secondly Dr Manhattan didn’t beat perpetua, batman who laughs did with the power of Dr Manhattan WHILE amped by all the negative energy from the dark universe….
With that being said Franklin has shown substantially more power consistently. Dude has been creating whole universes since he was a toddler. Manhattan hasn’t created a universe much less destroyed one yet 😂
@@khaleeldane2529 mxy is clearly more powerful than franklin.
Wonder woman defeated perpetua with fraction of manhattans power
Manhattan tried to fix the multiverse, quintessence gathered some of his leftover and gave to justice league and wonder woman defeated perpetua, lex luthor explaines it to us in death Metal 1.
Manhattan is at least 5-6 leagues/tiers above Franklin.
He affected/ restarted 3-4 multiverses.he defeated both perpetua and Mxyzptlk, erased amortal pandora and metron.
he also has many different abilities.
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Franklin would not be more than an atom for manhattan.
Manhattan >perpetua >>>alpheus >>>>mxyzptlk >Franklin richards.
Manhattan >perpetua +mxyzptlk +pandora +metron + energy on mobius chair +clark+restart of multiverses .
Franklin even failed to defeat 2-3 celestial.
Creating pocket universe means nothing
Manhattan is high omniversal being, Franklin is only high multiversal being. Manhattan is considered superior to even pr beyonder.
Even in tiering forums(that is not the right the way to compare)
Manhattan is classed as high 1a, mxyzptlk is high 1c and Franklin is 2a, having 4-5 tiers between them.
@@mar2506 show me Mxy doing anything on a universal scale 😂. Show me Mxy creating or destroying a universe… stop it .
Wonder Woman didn’t beat perpetual she beat Batman who laughs and it had nothing to do with dr Manhattan. 😅
I didn’t expect this outcome but thumbs up
Im not a hardcore Dr.M fan but you forgot that Franklins powers aren't limitless, he can run out of energy which is why he had his younger self storing up power throughout his life. Also Dr.M body is just a projection he exist on a much higher level of reality so yes while Franklin may beat that projection he would just reappear and the fight would continue until Franklin ran out of gas. This will simply become a battle of attrition against a guy with limitless lives and energy.
Higher level = bullshit
Richard Ramsawh dude hes beyond them all lmao, he immortal
@ well he is immortal, so there's not much you can do about that.
@@glucch8185 well in fiction / comic that kinda depends
YYYYEEESSSS he used the Mephisto Franklyn reference I sent him on twitter!!!! I just wish I got a shout out!
Franklin Richards has control over the fundamental forces of the universe (electromagnetism, gravity, strong and weak force), warping reality (space-time), chronokinesis (time travel), cosmic telepathy and telekinesis, particle energy and matter manipulation.
If we have to put Franklin Richards in the DC hierarchy, he would have to be a fifth (Mr. Myx/Imagination) or sixth (Anti-Monitor, Mandrakk/Multiversal Control Room) dimensional being (Franklin Richards and The Molecule Man rebuild the multiverse after it collapsed, so he's Multiversal.)
Doctor Manhattan's consciousness is spread across time and he can manipulate matter on subatomic scale.
That would make Dr Manhattan, a fourth dimensional being. (And no he's not more powerful than Mr. Mxyzptlk, because that being power levels is inconsistent).
Dr. Manhattan has all the powers Franklin got but reality warping and telepathy. And that why this battle will not take place on the physical but astral plane.
Manhattan in the Marvel Hierarchy would be on par with low tier cosmic abstracts like Galactus, In-Betweener, Order & Chaos. While we can agree Franklin Richards is as far beyond the cosmic abstracts as mutants are as far beyond human.
Long story short, Franklin Richards (revived Galactus twice and make him your herald, destroyed Mephisto twice as a kid, wipe the floor with universal celestials, made universes out of nothing, build multiverses and 'his imagination run wild', will live even after the big crunch, the nothingness of Oblivion and the big bang of the 9th universe) is not getting destroyed by a naked blue man that keeps talking about time.
No way bro
@@DementionalMephista
Franklin can wipe the floor with Celestials. Celestials, a race from the first firmament/universe that can manipulate the space-time, energy and matter. He one-shotted Nezarr the Calculator through his head and speed blitzes through Eson the Searcher chest/heart. Arishem the Listener (in a woman's form) chose to interact with Franklin Richards as a child in his Heroes Reborn universe and when she touched his soul, she felt less than him "for the first time she felt small". This is the 'sister' Tiamut the Dreaming Celestial. I think he can handle himself just fine.
How would a big crunch happen if they constantly make multiverses
Does the power Dr. Manhattan shown in the"DoomsDay Clock" conclusion change the verdict? Just curious.
I honestly wouldn’t think so
Read my comment as to why it wouldn’t. It’s two totally different levels of powers displayed. Your talking about someone who can manipulate and reset the sandbox to his own liking while the other can just completely create a new one from absolutely nothing.
@@brycel.8291 Ur delusional, Dr Manhattan reset the MULTIVERSE and created a new one. Franklin RIchards only created small universes and he also lost his power now sooo HAHA
manhattan is many tiers above franklin . none of his feat here :d
manhattan has done some pr beyonder level things
Dude it'd be easier to explain Franklin and his powers like this: "He's got the power to do anything he wants".
Underrated and concisely accurate
dude thats useless cause its also dr manhattan power. he can do whatever he wants. the difference is franklin richard is a Mortal while dr manhattan is a God/Immortal Manhattan's body exist in the higher dimension so franklin can die and be killed while dr manhattan is immortal in their diemnsions
Can franklin make himself a god?
Yes.
Toda Ogunbanwo that’s to OP
"Turned galactus into his Herald"
Yea, after REVIVING him. Bringing life back into a dead body is uber hard in the marvel universe
Wolverine, Jean Grey, Cyclops, Hawkeye, Capt America just to name a few that have died and come back
@@h8dallas420 being brought back is different than bringing someone back
Hard for who????????? Loki made the Demolisher ur 1st original Doomsday it killed Thor who Surfer revived with his cosmic might.Then it easily snapped Surfers board to pieces barehands only😱😱😱😱😱Hulk is not the strongest there is.
@@jaimeup5976 that sentence makes no sense, everyone was dead and now they are alive, tell me where is the difference? give me facts, specifics, or just shut up
@TyetheRebel Sorry not my fault everyone can't read and understand comicbooks well especially non collector's.
Damn I never thought about the telepathy thing. Thats gotta give Franklin a massive edge. Manhattan is somewhat unstable as is, meaning he has become numb to ... life.
Manhattan understands that even 'warping' is still physics, just complex
physics at work. Dr. Manhattan understands the universe on a far more advanced level than Franklin ever could. Franklin has mortality and can be physically destroyed, Manhattan's existence is beyond form, rendering many of Franklin's abilities useless. Manhattan's body is not him, it is a vessel he uses to work through. Franklin's Telepathic abilities wouldnt work on Manhattan's form as much as it would a tree husk.
He moves the universe around him when he teleports for crying outloud lol
I think it’s worth pointing out that Franklin is not just an ordinary Beyond Omega Level mutant, but a Cosmic Constant. He is literally a fundamental part of the Earth 616 universe. Also, if Franklin can turn a Celestial’s energy blast into flowers, many of Doctor Manhattan’s attacks are rendered useless as well.
I would have to agree with this statement
@@maxblake5564 celestals mean nothing to manhattan
manhattan is like 10 tiers above celestials
manhattan>perpetua>>alpheus>>mxy>celestials
even alpheus has omniversal feat.
what manhattan has done is totally diferent than defeating bunch of celestials
@@mar2506 Nah, after the defenders beyond issue, we've seen what Celestials are capable of.
Imagine What if BEYONDER do experiment by Mating All Omega Level Mutant + Proto Mutant???
I love that Franklin Rickard turned the table on Galactus and made him his herald.
Dr Manhattan can’t get his power removed unlike Franklin who is a mutant can get his powers taken away Reed even said that Leech can do this
Could leech negate Dr. Manhattan?
Leech is not in this battle scenario so that arguement is null and void.
What makes you say he can't is tho?
He has shown to take the Fantastic Four powers seeing how their non mutants but Manhattan has transcended beyond the regular plain of existences of the DC Mutliverse like the beings in the Sphere of the Gods. It is worth noting that he is stronger than Darkseid who’s true form can destroy creation and Mr Mxyzptlk who can destroy and recreate the multiverses several times over
Anyone can have their powers taken away or negated for a time if put in the proper situation. If Franklin put someone in a pocket universe that he created in which the laws of it are that, "All reality and manipulation is only under his control", it's possible. Even though people in comics can create and manipulate realities, there are always laws to it in some form or fashion. Just like in Heroes Reborn, Franklin had to choose to prevent the main universe from being destroyed, so he pulled everything he loved from it back into the main because of laws plus checks and balances. But a pocket universe to fight in, then destroy afterwards would be nothing.
What do you mean by transport him? The blue man we imagine when we think of Dr. Manhattan is just something for us to look at. It's not Dr. Manhattan. Dr. Manhattan exists beyond the reality people act inside of. He exerts influence on it from the outside.
Franklin Richards can create or destroy as many pocket universes as he wants and it doesn't change the fact that he himself still lives and exists within the reality that everyone else does. If he were to try and fight Dr. Manhattan the only way he could win is by creating the ultimate negotiator and convincing Manhattan through persuasive argument to concede the fight. Manhattan on the other hand has more options available to win the fight.
Man, I like this.
ive heard about this. so would that mean the entire multiverse exists in a small space inside this higher dimension? wouldnt all the top reality warpers be able to access this? isnt this why can they reality warp in the first place? they change the rules in this space.
@@00J-Tone picture the universe as pile of clays, reality warpers can bend those clays to create and erase anything. But for dr. Manhattan, instead of the clays, he is the artist, having much more control over anything below him unlike other reality warpers who can only exist in the clays but have some influence over it
@@00J-Tone Manhattan has never shown and limit to his capacity. The only thing he has ever done is limit himself by choice by simply choosing not to do something. Manhattan has stated that there are 'strings' that exist, definitive controls over reality that no one can break. Manhattan has shown that, due to that knowledge, he is actually capable of denying those strings, but openly chooses not to. He chooses to obey the strings limitations even though he could easily break it by doing the opposite of what he sees the strings telling him to do. That is compliance to the way things will go, IE comic writing directions, whereas Franklin has no idea there is a controlling factor that even controls him. Basically, Manhattan sees Pre-Destiny at all times and could break it if he chose, but he always chooses not to because he is a philosopher and sees the philosophical reason to not do so. Franklin doesnt even know that things will always be a certain way regardless of what he tries to do, he is always predestined to do it because he doesnt know what the strings are saying. Manhattan is the only one that can break Pre-destiny if he chose to.
@@KaunPrime interesting stuff. i kinda wish they had a what if dr manhattan stop giving af and went amok kind of story. feel like hes always gonna be underleveled like with rob if there isnt such a story. i get its against his character but cmon we need something. i was honestly surprised with franklin richards beat him according to rob. i thought it would be like a dr manhattan is beyond franklin richards scope of influence so he wins by default. isnt he only acting his the known dimension but resides in a much higher dimension?
This was a perfect explanation of both characters powers and feats and you did an amazing job of explaining why you felt Franklin Richards could take the win. I loved it!
I can see Dr.M & franklin having a dope convo sharing similar views/philosophy but in the end is a hair thin line which divides the 2, thus commence battle.
It's gonna be Dr Manhattan.... all powerful Naked God..
he can evolve rapidly.
he's so OP but his character his so deep ...
We need more of such videos
Yea I think Manhattan would take this, he could look back in time and prevent Franklin from being born in an instant
@@Khaleel85 yes ... He can even travel through time... He was unable to do so at the beginning but he learns n evolves rapidly...
He loves to experiment with Universe
9House Same can be said about Franklin Richards though, and in fact, with him having “Chronokinesis” since his powers manifested he would have a better understanding of time manipulation than Dr. M. Dr. M. is present for events all at the same time so his actions would cause them to play out but he cant constantly go back to change events. That requires him to be able to control Tachyons which disrupt his physical existence within the universe at that point in time. I’m not saying it’s impossible but as of canon continuity he hasn’t been able to understand & control tachyons, time is the only concept he truly doesn’t have a full understanding of & since he has no fundamental understanding of it he can’t control it. So this theory actually goes to Richards who has been proven to operate out of time if he so chooses it.
One more thing is Dr Manhattan don't really show his full power... He uses power only if he's curious about smthg ... So who knows what he's capable of.. he's potential is limitless... He's omnipotent omniscient omnipresent Exists across space n time .... He's God..
But Franklin Richards is mutant.. I'm not sure but he should have those weaknesses which all mutants has.... He's made of DNA etcetera... But Dr Manhattan choose to be in humanoid Form... He's more like a superconcious being existing in higher dimension
@@bhuvaneshs.k638 the events of watchmen themselves proves that he isn't omniscient. Asmodeus was able to generate tachyons that Dr.M couldn't see through
Well I think that you are on point on this one as well. I mean the mad celestials that Franklin fought were so powerful that they killed other powerhouses like Infinity so in terms of actual battle prowess he is on top. Plus the fact that even Galactus acknowledged that only Franklin and him remain at the end of all says that he is probably going to grow way more and as such his abilities could also develop as well. All in all I think that it would be a close battle.
In Marvel they have come to a hick up were the Silver Surfer has not only stopped Knull before the big bang, he spared the being who was to become Galactus. The last beings as the end have yet again been accredited to Bruce Banner, the One Above All and Below All it even speaks of Franklin mistaken that it will be him and Galactus that's a error on Marvels part having contradictions like that.
Watchman before DC's involvement there are no contradictions to Dr. Manhattan and were he stands in the hierarchy, Franklin will have to deal with an unforeseeable number of existing versions of Dr. Manhattan's.
@@justinmcdonald2072 In the world of comics there is always contradictions...just a while back only Old King Thor and Old Man Phoenix were like the last few beings left in the universe...Phoenix naturally exists throughout the different iterations of the universe too....so yeah that statement of they being the last was grossly mistaken...perhaps in one possible future- sure, but there are many futures.
I also think the craziest reality warper in Marvel has to go to Mad Jim Jaspers, not saying he is the strongest but he used reality warping in the strangest and grandest of ways...I also think he is stronger than Franklin since he was considered a multiversal level threat
@@Ephideltrance So far those contradictions don't exist with Dr. Manhattan, with those contradictions applied to the shifting narrative in Marvel. Watchmen applied a fixed scale where Dr. Manhattan is unmatched he holds his spot alone, when we get to judge there are contradictions but there is also facts one is Franklin has and can loose that top spot.
@@justinmcdonald2072 oh I not arguing your point, just adding to it...Dr. Manhattan is definitely above Franklin based off feats....
@@Ephideltrance Okay, I defend to no end so its good to see Dr. Manhattan get support before DC corrupts his narrative.
Manhattan does top tier God events w/o even trying, what's he capable of doing if he exerted himself? He's never even had competition, stronger then Myxz.
Can’t even create a universe from nothing?
*Weak*
Franklin definitely wins!
#Facts
#Wrong
Read Doomsday clock you'll change your FACTS
Even though Franklin Richards could create a universe in his hands Doctor Manhattan would be able to prevent that time travel is extremely under estimated in this situation
Manhattan doesn't have to sit and charge up his power while Franklin had to have his younger self sit and charge to resurrect galactus
Honestly, I think it'd come down to an intellectual discussion of who they are, what they've done and where they foresee this "battle" leading towards - if they were to meet.
Beyond Omega Level: Miranda The Omnicron Level Mutant
Dr. Manhattan definitely wins if looking cool is the only thing we are examining here
We need Dr Manhattan vs The Molecule Man Owen Reese
Bro, me and my cousins were literally talking about this and then this popped up in my recommendations 😂😂
I honestly think you have to come at it from a different angle. Any battle of power would most like be stalemate.
You have to look at who the characters are as a whole, Dr Manhattan is cold and callous and is willing to do anything that pleases him or to achieve his goal. No matter the consequence.
Franklin has strong emotional attachments to his family, friends and the universe in general.
I think Manhattan wins out of pure cold heartedness.
I my opinion, if this was pre-doomsday clock, Franklin richards would win, because Manhattan is mainly a matter manipulator, while Franklin is a reality warper, which gives him the upper hand. But if this was post doomsday clock, it would be Manhattan, because he is above mr. Mxy on power levels and was known to "Doctor up", destroy and recreate the DC multiverse in an instant, however we could also point out that Franklin, alongside molecule man, helped fix the marvel multiverse when it was destroyed by the beyonders during Secret Wars (as in God King Doom)
The Reason Dr Manhattan would win because he can make copies of himself thus making Richards outmatched, btw he can see the future so
This is a really hard one. Dr Manhattans body isn’t actually him it’s just an avatar. He is kinda a floating consciousness that can affect the real world. Even if Franklin were to remove all matter so that Manhattan can’t materialize, he would still be alive. Then again maybe that is a win. You don’t have to kill your enemy to be the victor.
I think this would be a matter of “striking first”. And with Manhattans view on time he would know the battle would happen beforehand and therefore strike before Richards could negate his powers.
franklin couldn't negate them if he tried lol dr. manhattan on the other hand? could for sure negate franklin's powers since franklin himself is still no more than a human with mutated genetics.
Franklin has precognition so its sort of a stalemate there
@@jmee25 reed richard said people with the ability to negate powers at a grand enough scale could render franklin a lowly human. Bam. The doc wins
Dami but he allowed him to hit him lol.. you obviously didn’t even read Doomsday Clock.
@Dami The lanterns are NOTHING to manhattan. He sucked the power out of a green lantern's ring just to see what the power was made of lol saw magic once and was able to replicate it even stronger than his opponents could use it. He called it the scraps of creation and then insulted them for choosing such a weak power. Dr. Manhattan is an extra dimensional being. This means he is in the highest plane of existence for DC universe. This being the 6th dimension. He is more comparable to beings like the spectre, anti-monitor, the living tribunal in marvel, etc.
When it comes down to it, I really think it comes to who out smarts the other, first. I can see Franklin eventually defeating Dr Manhattan. But thinking like that means Dr. Manhattan wins round 1 or something like that. Really hard to call. I mean we've seen Franklin Richards go toe to toe with celestials. What were it happen if Dr. Manhattan were to go up against them. I mean what's stopping him from moving another thing a few inches away
As much as I love Franklin, Dr Manhattan is on a whole another level.
Dr. Manhattan can't create universes from nothing, and is weak to tachyons, which block his foresight.
Franklin can produce a bunch of tachyons to weaken Manhattan, then trap him in a pocket universe.
Basically it boils down to Franklin can create multiverses from nothing, Manhattan hasn't been shown to be capable of that. That would be the deciding factor in favor of Franklin. I don't think Franklin could kill Manhattan (if that's even possible), but he could trap him, at least for a while.
Pretty much a stalemate, as Manhattan would keep getting temporarily trapped by Franklin's tachyon > pocket universe combo, but Franklin can't kill Manhattan. They'd probably both agree that fighting each other is pointless, and just go their separate ways.
I would love to see adult Franklin go evil, and the only one that can stop him is his younger self.
The omniverse: Ahhhhh shi-
Franklin: Im about to disintegrate you
Dr manhattan: Been there done that Im about to undo your existence
Franklin: I dont feel so good
I honestly think that dr manhattan should have won, clearly adult franklin is amoung the strongest beings in the marvel universe but that saying he is going against dr manhattan who can recreate his body from absolutly nothing and I really dont think that franklin can shut down dr manhattans precognition because manhattan is shown see long into his future to know what franklin is gonna do and how to counter franklins reality warping powers with his, manhattan also has the power of bio fusion to the point that we can exist at 2 to infinite amount of place at the same time. Its not really fair to put then up against eachother at this manner because the way dr manhattan is written he is shown to do literally anything and franklin seems to be limited to his physical body and if he gets killed he dies were as dr manhattan could rebuild his body again from nothing. Franklin has feats that outclass dr manhattan like creating galaxies when he was but a child but dr is also learning. Its like franklin is a man trying to be a god whiles dr manhattan is a god and tries to learn what it means to be human. Disclaimer: Im sure franklin fans will get upset but im also a marvel fan and it feels like franklin has hit a dead end here like he is going against the living tribunal. Anyways good day and leave your opinions in the description
They are both so Fing broken so it's hard to say! I think Dr. Manhattan would ultimately win he possess the least amount of humanity. He would off or torture a bunch of kids and feel next to nothing about it.
Itz Poz you're comparing someone with the power to alter timelines to someone with the power to create universes in the palm of his hands. That's the reason Franklin wins.
@@DNice5865 He's still human and humans all have limits. No getting around that.
@@BowserStrange adult him is cosmic being and part of the universe law like Galactus, death, infinity and eternity. so no he is not really a human.. but he still have his humanity
@@rieqgreg2138 Dr.M From what I've seen is slowly losing his humanity due to the nature of his powers. Plus we've never seen Franklin out right erase some one out of existence.
Franklin Richards surrounds himself with tachyons, walks up to Dr. Manhattan, shreds him at a molecular level, filters his energies and puts them in Ben Grimm.
Good idea for sure... But that doesn't matter in the big picture because he's basically omnipresent. Say Dr. Manhattan clones himself an infinite number of times, spreads the clones through the whole of reality, and collapses the universe Franklin is in. He can do all of that simultaneously and instantly because his awareness transcends time. Heck, Dr. Manhattan could even see the event coming due to the tachyon blindness and his hyper analytical mind, and have all of that prepared already as a back up. Literally having his mind linked to infinite instances of himself through all of existence.
Franklin would probably do something similar to counter that, but that's the thing... Now we are talking about a fight on a purely conceptual level between beings capable of literally anything. It's, "I pull out a bigger meta-conceptual gun times infinity"
manhattan doesnt have tachyon weakness , it only prevent his time sight
I think in this case Franklins biggest weaknesses is his body. Manhattan can easily make him explode, give him a lobotomy, heart attack, etc. Dr Manhattan doesn't really have a body, if it gets destroyed he just creates another one. Dr Manhattan can fight forever while I imagine Franklin would get tired. I wonder if Rob's idea would work. Could Franklin just use his powers to make himself not tired?
Rob,.....rob....that was the best intro for this video. I saw this and nearly lost it I was like “ it’s a bouta get real.” 🤣
02:10 I just fucking can’t with black bolt’s face. Lmfao
I feel like you should have done this in like 1 day when Doomsday Clock 12 is out. Lol.
I think it would be a stalemate. For Franklin to beat Doc he would have to remove the Doc's ability to remake himself at the very least, and getting into whether that is possible puts you in an endless back and forth that really can't reach a conclusion one way or another. Similar inability to reach a conclusion for the other side, could Doc alter Franklin's genetics and remove his powers along with the X gene? In either case you can't really square the circle to any reasonable degree. I think the fight would either last a few seconds, or last years, but either way they'd just walk away.
If we take the explanation of whatchmen universe beeing mind body dualism and mannhatans body beeind disintagrated and his mind conected to everything i think he would be above telekinesis, it would be pure determinism and he would be like a god that hasnt created himself, a living everything
"When and where" would Franklin beat Manhattan? If you don't understand the rhetorical value of the question, then you're missing the most important discrepancy between the two characters.
Creating a multiverse is child's play for a being several dimensions above that multiverse.
Think about it like this, when was the last time you felt threatened by a conceptual point in space? How about a conceptual straight line (things don't even exist for us until we consider the third dimension)? How about conceptual flat shapes (e.g. triangles, squares and circles)? The only things of meaningful merit to us are within our dimension of perspective, this is why beings like Darkseid are so powerful, and this understanding of the roles of dimensions vs universes is why I prefer DC's God entities to Marvel's.
DC has found a way to make "omnipotent" a meaningful word by making several entities possess the quality, but to varying degrees, distinguished by their context.
You and I, mere mortals, CREATE singular dimensional universes by thought alone, and we destroy them soon after without ever considering it "a thing" to have been done. We perform feats of this magnitude regularly all the way up to 3 dimensions, with our only hindrance being our mental capacity to conceive conceptual shapes and figures.
Franklin can't win because his mind perceives snapshots of 4 dimensions (limited precognition) whereas Manhattan is simply presenting a stand-in of himself to us while actually existing several dimensions above our own. The DC universe, or any other 3D multiverse, to him, is strange preoccupation, no different than if you or I was obsessively concerned with a series of straight lines or triangles. The God of one of those triangles (Franklin), is naught but a line on paper to him.
Imaginary Axis (TH-cam channel) did a series of videos detailing the extent of Darkseid's powers (and many other God characters) by illustrating these points rather eloquently if anyone is interested or still doesn't understand the point.
Can’t argue against that. GG
I honestly think they have a cafe on Pluto where they play chess.
Can you do one on The Darkest Knight versus The Marquis of Death? I’d love to see that.
Dr manhattan is in the fifth dimention, mabye even higher. He cant be trapped in a pocket universe, because he exists beyond the multiverse.
So
@@franklinrichard8863 idk, try trapping him and find out for yourself
Dr Manhattan lost :(
@@austensmith6857 when where?
@@p.mil.1147 Very good point, "when and where". Creating a multiverse is child's play for a being several dimensions above that multiverse.
Think about it like this, when was the last time you felt threatened by a conceptual point in space? How about a conceptual straight line (things don't even exist for us until we consider the third dimension)? How about conceptual flat shapes (e.g. triangles, squares and circles)? The only things of meaningful merit to us are within our dimension of perspective, this is why beings like Darkseid are so powerful, and this understanding of the roles of dimensions vs universes is why I prefer DC's God entities to Marvel's.
DC has found a way to make "omnipotent" a meaningful word by making several entities possess the quality, but to varying degrees, distinguished by their context.
You and I, mere mortals, CREATE singular dimensional universes by thought alone, and we destroy them soon after without ever considering it "a thing" to have been done. We perform feats of this magnitude regularly all the way up to 3 dimensions, with our only hindrance being our mental capacity to conceive conceptual shapes and figures.
Franklin can't win because his mind perceives snapshots of 4 dimensions (limited precognition) whereas Manhattan is simply presenting a stand-in of himself to us while actually existing several dimensions above our own. The DC universe, or any other 3D multiverse, to him, is strange preoccupation no different than if you or I was obsessively concerned with a series of straight lines or triangles. The God of one of those triangles (Franklin), is naught but a line on paper to him.
Dr. Manhattan = manipulate matter
Franklin Richards = warp reality
I’d put my money (which I have very little of) on Richards.
Reality is matter, Manhattan would be able to warp reality
@@daniell5740 funny enough...he dosen't
But Manhattan doesn't create the matter, just alters time. Watch the video.
@@daniell5740 Matter Manipulation is different from Reality Warping. I think Rob explained the difference in one of his videos. TL;DR MM is molding of the clay, while RW is making numerous clay out of nothing.
@@daniell5740 if there is a difference between the two so Doctor Manhattan edit the timeline Brier Creek dominantly she warps time and matter but he does not warp space.
Franklin stomps
Rob Plz do more of these on TH-cam i love these videos
Dude I'm not a hardcore Dr. Manhattan fan but I do think you're absolutely right. Both have a good set of similar and like abilities and since all you have to do is motivate Dr. Manhattan I think he probably would have a persona almost like Surfer. This was awesome.
It's simple. Everyone knows Dr. Manhattan has a weakness to tachyons, as displayed in the movie and the tv show
In fairness. Hes not weak to it. It simply blocks his foresight
eftultima So hypothetically, can Franklin use tachyons to disable that foresight and then go back in time and kill Manhattan before he becomes Manhattan.
@@scooobydoo27 Nah. Dr. Manhattan already tried killing himself and it just won't happen. Dr. Manhattan stomps
@@Omar-od6ge
Proabably the best video to show the scope of Manhattan's power is Imaginary Axis's video on him. So if anyone hasn't watched it then you should if you're a Manhattan fan.
And by the way, if both are reality warpers then I can't see either of them slowing down or running out of energy or even being hurt by the other. Because if you can manipulate reality you can manipulate the reality of your state of existence... so I don't see a way of either of them doing anything to eachother lol. Manhattan seems to have Franklin's power, but just with a scientific basis or reasoning for it. And I'm suprised Rob didn't compare Franklin Richards to the reality warper that said Manhattan was far stronger than him. Because the problem with comparing Dr Manhattan to anyone else in power is that Dr Manhattan never really tries. He has an apathy to life and reality itself. Instead of seriously fighting all the hero's on Mars seriously he just studied their abilities. So yeah that's another thing. Manhattan has never been serious remotely.
John Watt so would someone going back in time to kill you, if you were dead then why would that person have reason to go back in the first place? That’s the problem with any form of time travel every action creates a new paradox, the only way it doesn’t is if you take the multiple timelines/multiverse idea.
I was thinking to myself," Franklin would just warp the space-time around Dr Manhattan and regress time to the point before he became takions or however it's spelled effectively stripping him of his powers" when you come out with " he'd create a pocket dimension where Manhattan wouldn't have powers"
That's assuming Manhattan would allow Franklin to do that.
@@Koooo4 well I'd like to say the same but from what we've seen of either character, Franklin just has such a superior understanding of complete manipulation that Dr Manhattan wouldn't be able to stop him or even perceive that there is actually a problem until it's already happened.
@@Koooo4 seeing as though we've seen Franklin as both a child and an adult, it all depends on which version is doing battle with Dr. Manhattan, like Rob said.
@@doublehelix2167 Its unlikely Franklin could destroy dr manhattan essence and manhattan could summon the guy who makes mutant powerless as manhattan isn't a mutant and then Franklin would be next to useless.
@@johannessimola1615 we've seen that Franklin can't lose his powers in any which way, not to mention since when does Dr Manhattan summon people
I love your content and your take on these types of confrontations but I think there’s one absolutely critical part of their powers you’ve missed. The fact that doctor Manhattan willed himself back into existence from literally nothing after the intrinsic field eliminator destroyed him on an atomic level trumps any other feat or ability either of these two characters have ever done. Reality warping and matter manipulation are fine and dandy but all that is “a posteriori” feats, things that have been done after their existence has been established. Dr. Manhattan created himself “a priori” meaning the first thing he did was create himself. From nothing nothing comes, and yet he did.
That's a good point, I've never seen him do that. Kinda think he could though. He could also have a backup of himself in a pocket universe he has created or even clone himself because of his precognition. Interesting fight though.
Dr.Man vs. R.Rich. was a great show , i agree 100% , you explained well.👍
Both executions are AMAAAAAAAAZZING
Franklin should win but Dr. Manhattan has better control of his powers.
Wrong Dr. Manhattan is ridiculously op. TDK said with a fraction of Dr. Manhattans powers he could destroy infinite multiverses and even the Omniverse. And mr. mxyzptilk who is 5th dimensional said dr. Manhattan was leagues above him
@@Tornadospeed10 dr Manhattan cant create universes like Franklin can. Plus Franklin did that as a kid
@@lionelmessisburner7393 manhattan recreated 3 multiverses
defeated perpetua and mxyzptlk
killed amortal pandora .and metron
manhattan>perpetua>alpheus>>mxyzptlk>franklin
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Seeing that Dr Manhattan would know Richards was coming due to his omnipresence and omniscience, I think Dr Manhattan would have a huge heads up and be prepared to quickly dispatch of Richards
Meh Manhattan can be screwed by tachyons.
I think this comes down to how canon you class Mr Mxy being able to destroy the multiverse in Worlds funniest, in this he Destroys pretty everything in the multiverse and timelines. If this Mr Mxy is the same as the one who fears Dr M then Dr M should be massively more powerful.
The issue is unseen potential of Dr M and we have not really seem him pushed to an upper limit, this could also be said for Franklin also however. Lets hope Doomsday clock 12 shows more.
Edit - With Doomsday clock 12 now out we can easily say Dr manhattan is magnitudes more powerful able to wipe out everything in the DC metaverse and restart it.
Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't wait for that to come up to do this mash up. We might have had a clearer idea of Manhattan's power. It should be out in the next few days assuming it doesn't get delayed again... but then again considering how many times it has gotten delayed, haha!
@@darkwyve I think it may be very Plot driven and not really respectful of how powerful we have seen manhattan if superman somehow punches out a dude that can wave him away with a gesture so im very interested as to what they plan on doing.
The real fight i actually want is Batman vs Ozymandius as honestly thats far more interesting of a battle.
@@gregleaguegaming3228 Well Superman is well protected after all. He's got the most powerful gear in any known universe... Plot Armor. ;)
Seriously though when beings become 'plot devices' in stories it does pretty much nullify the relevancy of their power levels so you have a valid point. I also agree that Batman vs. Ozymandius done by the proper writers could be a fantastic and far more compelling story.
Pretty sure your right I like franklin more then dma (atleast dc vers) but dma wins this easy like someone said Franklin is still human his power comes from his genes. Dma gets his power from his whole being so his powers are way harder to manipulate.
That’s a fair point. Well said.
That fight is a toss up. But that instrumental at the end is Dope!
i still have the live record when i asked you who would win and you said Dr Manhattan!
now, you changed your mind.
don't forget. Franklin can maybe create that universe.
but, it will remain game play for dr Manhattan. what about all is other copy if him elsewhere.
Well considering things change on the landscape of comics and feats reveal new power levels or limitations, it makes sense his perspective could (and would) change. I just don't understand why he didn't wait at least a few more days for Doomsday Clock #12 to come out just in case it shows feats that enhance or lessen Manhattan's power level, so he could take that into account. What happens there could easily invalidate this whole video in just a couple of days. (Guess that's a reason for him to do an update video though, haha!)
I also remember when he used to say power scaling was bs when this whole series is literally power scaling! I personally think that's why he puts it on patreon where it's not easily obtainable.
Shannon Shifflett hi personally think he hate Dr Manhattan and was tired of Me and other asking for Dr Manhattan info and video. and yes Franklin is the favorite one of Rob.
so, he did it to piss off some fans😂 I just hate he forgot so many info that he put into other video about the Dr. he already defeated so many reality warper.
the difference between both is also, Franklin can die and won't come back. Dr Manhattan will just recreate himself.
also, Dr Manhattan can do lots of clone of himself that have equal power to him. how would Franklin deal with that part? 🤔
@@lucdallaire9047 Also Franklin's power is connected to his genetic self and tied to continuity. If his entire form is obliterated or someone changes the past he can cease to exist. This has been proven to be unable to happen to Manhattan, so those advantages are in his favor as well.
I'm not really certain Rob wanted to intentionally piss people off, maybe ruffle a few feathers for fun, which is going to happen when you are doing hypotheticals like this anyway. But yes, Franklin is clearly one of his favorites, so he's a bit biased to start with. I accept this though, because we all have bias one way or another, since we're all human.
Two of the most OP'd characters in all comic history
Don't forget The Beyonder lol.
@@thewhizkid3937 you beat me to it
Hardcore Dr.Manhattan fan here
I don't know who the other guy is so this seems fair
When you’ll read about the “other guy” you’ll agree with rob franklin is one of the most op characters ever made
Trust me, it’s not. Dr Manhattan stomps HARD on this one. I mean a 5th dimensional imp is scared of him. The doctor takes this with ease
Awesome video Rob please do more versus videos
How the fight begins with these two:
They’re both having dinner, but Dr. Manhattan alters the timeline to make it so they’re eating his favourite meal. Franklin, having undergone quite the effort to cook the meal is mad and changes what they’re having back to what franklin initially cooked.
*ALL HELL BREAKS LOSE BECAUSE OF THIS*
Franklin wins: it wouldn't even be a contest.
You clearly dont know dr manhattan than🤪🤡😂😂😂
Yes you know nothing about Manhattan
You must not know about Dr. Manhattan
I think you can't truly tell because we don't know who's "deeper in the hole" I think they can't hurt each other because of how powerful theu are
The Spectre vs The Living Tribunal
LT is far more powerful than Specter.
Living Tribunal effortlessly.
@G-Squad49 No he doesn't.
@G-Squad49 The spectre's power is dependent on his link to the Presence that doesn't mean he wins.
16bit Classics that’s not true at all
I'm glad this is the content you put behind a paywall. As cool as these videos are they are more opinion based and usually don't have a definitive ending. I hope Patreon works out for you, I know TH-cam is slackin' on the paychecks nowadays, lol. See you next vid...or hear you if there's no facecam, lol.
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