As a Mongolian, I sometimes want Chinggis' tomb (hopefully with his skeleton intact) to be found for the possibility for reconstructing what he actually looked like. I hate this puffy old man rendition of Chingis Khan in Mongolia's currency.
To see an actual facial reconstruction of him based off his own skull would definitely be something, and for the DNA evidence to properly connect him to studies. I think it would be hard to not have that curiousity, in fact! But say a body was found on Burkhan Khaldun: how would you even conclusively prove it was Chinggis, and not any other member of his family buried there? And do that without angering a good percentage of Mongolians who think he should remain undisturbed?
Thank you! There isn't a much for movies or historical artwork for me to use for visual references on a lot of these topics I cover, so rather than reuse the same few reference images as everyone else, it's makes it stand out a bit more to make my own, and depict exactly what I want. It's a neat sensation when I'm the first person in 800 years to make any sort of visual depiction of certain people and events.
I've watched almost all of your videos about early Imperial Mongol and I want to thank your for such great content. I hope someday you resume the history and talk about the mongols after Chinggis Khan's death.
There was a supposed quote from Russian archaeologists (but damned if I could remember where I saw it) that went something like "You saw what happened when we opened Temur's grave... can you imagine what would happen if we opened his [Chinggis]?" The veracity of the quote it debateable, but that certainly is a sentiment among some people. Maybe best not to take chances on that.
Did you know? Mongols are the third largest ethnic group in our Afghanistan and are called Hazara. I myself am Pahstun, but my two best friends are Hazaras (Mongols)
Yes! In fact, I will be doing a video on them in the near future! I put up a notice on it in another video, and invited people to send me information on the Hazara that they think I may find useful.
I watched her red somewhere that Genghis Khan's tomb was underneath a river that they had the soldiers bury him in his tomb and they changed the course of the river to go over top of it and then murdered all of the soldiers and the people that did it so that the secret would stay safe but who really knows it would be amazing for them to find it
May you rest in peace, oh great Khan of Khans. May you be welcomed in heaven and may your soul be at rest, Temüjin, son of Yesükhei. Long live the sublime Genghis Khan Best channel for learning mongol history. 10/10
I've recently found you and blazed through your stuff. I listened to wrath of the kahn podcast first on Genghis Kahn, then I listened to the barbarian empires of the steppe from great courses, then I listened to Genghis Kahn by frank Mclynn. I truly respect and admire the Kahn and I see him as one of the most honorable and logical leaders in history (similar to Caesar, Alexander, Napoleon, and Hannibal). They are men pushed to the absolute extreme. I consider them my brothers. I believe you are missing commentary on the religious and spiritual foundations of the Kahn and his conviction. The "I am the wrath of God, for if you did not commit great evil... I wouldn't be here [paraphrase]" quote comes to mind. You mention the Eternal Blue Heaven, but you have yet to give any context into what that means for the Kahn and the Mongols. Not to mention Tengerri (sic) and the mess of "religious" men he dealth with. You touched on the obvious chinese fraud guy lol I really enjoy your stuff! It is truly some of the best if not the best analysis I've heard on Kahn. He is my brother.
Source Links (apparently having lots of links in a video description hurts chances of people finding it, so I'm testing that. Rest of my sources are still listed in the description itself) The Secret History of the Mongols: A Mongolian Epic Chronicle of the Thirteenth Century. Translated by Igor de Rachewiltz. Edited by John C. Street. cedar.wwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1003&context=cedarbooks See chapter 12, page 185-189. de Rachewiltz's commentaries: altaica.ru/LIBRARY/rachewiltz/Rachewiltz_The%20Secret%20History%20of%20the%20Mongols_I-II%202004.pdf relevant section begins page 980. Juzjani. Ṭabaḳāt-i-Nāṣirï: A General History of the Muhammadan Dynasties of Asia. Vol. II. Translated by H.G Raverty. London: Gilbert & Rivington, 1881. archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.211407/page/n384 See pages 1085-1096 (curse you Raverty and your huge footnotes) ‘Ala-ad-Din ‘Ata-Malik Juvaini, The History of the World-Conqueror. Vol. I. Translated by John Andrew Boyle. Harvard: Harvard University Press, 1958. archive.org/stream/historyoftheworl011691mbp#page/n3/mode/2up See pages 180-183 Erdeni-yin Tobchi: Geschichte der Ost-Mongolen und Ihres Fürstenhauses, verfasst von Ssanag Ssetsen. Translated by Isaac Jacob Schmidt. St. Petersburg, 1829. archive.org/details/geschichtederost00ssan/page/n6 See pages 100-102 for Gurbelchin (in German) Pelliot, Paul. Notes on Marco Polo, Vol I. 1959. altaica.ru/LIBRARY/Pelliot/Pelliot_Notes%20on%20Marco%20Polo_I%201959.pdf relevant section begins page 305.
Well regarding to the ending comment of angering the spirit of a world conqueror is not something you'd want, Timur's tomb was opened by soviet archeologists and an inscription on it read that whoever opened his tomb shall unleash a greater conqueror than him and in which 2 days later Nazi Germany invades the Soviet Union.
Supposedly, and I cannot verify this, but there was a Russian archaeologist who made a comment along the lines of, "that's what happened when we opened Temur's tomb; imagine what would happen if we opened Chinggis Khan's?"
Can you do a video of the Monguor people They are i think descendent of mongol soldiers They are heavily influenced by tibetan language and are tibetan buddhist
@@RPM1776 I'll have to look into them, I'm afraid I don't know much about them beyond the name. But, those types of videos are always fun, so I can add it to my list!
@@RPM1776 that is for sure something I will cover in future: how Mongols have used the image of Chinggis Khan over time (especially since democratization) and how it ties into nationalism is a very fascinating topic there has been lots of work on.
One thing all the historían agree is that he had a violent Dead. Like the saying goes “Live by the Sword 🗡 died by the Sword ⚔️” and the secrecy of the way he died was to make him no more than a legend by his people. Karma.
Everything I know about the Mongol Empire is based off of primary sources and the works of historians specializing in this area. I did complete a 4 year degree (Honours in History) which provided me a lot of the skills I use in writing, forming arguments, assessing sources as well as databases I use for collecting materials, but as for actual knowledge on the Mongols that is all self taught. I do hope to continue on for Graduate Studies on this period though. If you are curious about specific sources I used for this video, then they are listed in the video description.
Man, they could not even record a portrait of him especially while he was younger without disputes. Forget about his cause of death as well as his whereabouts remain. They were meant to be a secret and by all accounts will remain to be.
When I uploaded this, I had visions of getting notifications for a dozen variations of that... but I guess even Skyrim is starting to get a little old for memes? It came out a staggering 9 years ago, after all.
according to the mongolian tale, Genghis Khan was died because of severely injured by a Tangut Princess he forced married during the invasion against Tangut kingdom. the Princess pretended to marry the Khan willingly but she bit the Khan's organ of sex at night. the injury forced the Mongolian army to retreat immediately but he couldnt make it back to receive proper medical treatment and died. I am not making this up. this is from the mongolian, they say because this way of death is way too humiliating for a great hero, so the historian covered it up and changed the story. The mongolian had no reason to fake a story like this to toy with their hero's death. probably it is real. when your enemy is too strong, his only weakness could be woman. where you have absolutely no guards during the sex intercourse.
Yes, the story of the princess Gurbelchin (who does get mentioned in this video!). The thing about that story though, is that it doesn't show up in sources until about 300 years after the events: I think the earliest mention in from the 1500s? There is nothing like this in the versions of the 13th century, and there were plenty of people writing in the 1200s who hated Chinggis and would have loved to tell such a story. It should be noted as well that the works in which this shows up in (such as the Erdeniin Tobchi) are not always intended to be exactly literal: just before the destruction of the Tangut, Chinggis and the Tangut King have a battle where they transform into animals, which Chinggis ultimately wins by transforming into Heaven. The story with Gurblechin then follows shortly thereafter. It is something that also pops up in a couple other Mongolian sources of this period. Some have suggested that the story was started by the non-Chinggisid Oirats, who had dominated Mongolia for the 15th century, and who wanted to slander the Great Khan since their authority did not lie with descent from him. During the length of their rule, this version with Gurblechin then became 'adopted' as an official version (and since the Secret History of the Mongols didn't offer much of a detailed alternative, it was hard to contrast). However, some authors have noted it is possible that it was based off true events, and perhaps written down in 13th century sources which didn't survive. It is not impossible that it could have been transmitted orally as well: the fact that is was so embarrassing would explain why the Mongols went to such effort to keep it quiet in the immediate aftermath of his death.
Why we should respect Mongolian today and try not to find chinggis khan grave. Their ancestors unleashed so much atrocity on planet earth and killed so many innocent people.
As a Mongolian, I sometimes want Chinggis' tomb (hopefully with his skeleton intact) to be found for the possibility for reconstructing what he actually looked like. I hate this puffy old man rendition of Chingis Khan in Mongolia's currency.
To see an actual facial reconstruction of him based off his own skull would definitely be something, and for the DNA evidence to properly connect him to studies. I think it would be hard to not have that curiousity, in fact!
But say a body was found on Burkhan Khaldun: how would you even conclusively prove it was Chinggis, and not any other member of his family buried there? And do that without angering a good percentage of Mongolians who think he should remain undisturbed?
That's what he most likely look liked since that portrait of him was commissioned by Kubali Khan on what he remember Genghis looked like.
Tall, green eyes, red bushy hair and beard.. think he died of bubonic..
@@michaelmooney3931eurocentric nonsense
Great work, always happy to see a new video by Jackmeister notification pop up.
Underated channel
Really underrated for such nice reasearch
Goodnight, sweet prince :' (
May flights of angels sing him to his rest
I really like your illustrations. they add a lot to your videos.
Thank you! There isn't a much for movies or historical artwork for me to use for visual references on a lot of these topics I cover, so rather than reuse the same few reference images as everyone else, it's makes it stand out a bit more to make my own, and depict exactly what I want. It's a neat sensation when I'm the first person in 800 years to make any sort of visual depiction of certain people and events.
I've watched almost all of your videos about early Imperial Mongol and I want to thank your for such great content. I hope someday you resume the history and talk about the mongols after Chinggis Khan's death.
Have you heard any alternate theories to his death I didn't mention here? By the way, subtitles should already be up for this one.
Hey Jack! Check out Expedition Unknowns tomb of Genghis episode
Never , but a javanese account.claimed the king of tartar died in Java
Genghis Khan was killed by the ertugrul Gazi
Nice graphics and drawings! Appreciate it.
I like your narration, it is nice.
Thank you, that's very kind!
Just remember what happened after the body of Tamerlane was excavated!
We should not repeat this mistake.
There was a supposed quote from Russian archaeologists (but damned if I could remember where I saw it) that went something like "You saw what happened when we opened Temur's grave... can you imagine what would happen if we opened his [Chinggis]?" The veracity of the quote it debateable, but that certainly is a sentiment among some people. Maybe best not to take chances on that.
Did you know? Mongols are the third largest ethnic group in our Afghanistan and are called Hazara. I myself am Pahstun, but my two best friends are Hazaras (Mongols)
Yes! In fact, I will be doing a video on them in the near future! I put up a notice on it in another video, and invited people to send me information on the Hazara that they think I may find useful.
On that fateful day Lord Tengri wept
I watched her red somewhere that Genghis Khan's tomb was underneath a river that they had the soldiers bury him in his tomb and they changed the course of the river to go over top of it and then murdered all of the soldiers and the people that did it so that the secret would stay safe but who really knows it would be amazing for them to find it
Where is a burial place of Chingizkhan? Nowhere. Hidden.
It's in Hell
@@MisfitsToFreaxxs13 In uçmağ
How is this channel not larger.
May you rest in peace, oh great Khan of Khans. May you be welcomed in heaven and may your soul be at rest, Temüjin, son of Yesükhei.
Long live the sublime Genghis Khan
Best channel for learning mongol history.
10/10
I've recently found you and blazed through your stuff. I listened to wrath of the kahn podcast first on Genghis Kahn, then I listened to the barbarian empires of the steppe from great courses, then I listened to Genghis Kahn by frank Mclynn. I truly respect and admire the Kahn and I see him as one of the most honorable and logical leaders in history (similar to Caesar, Alexander, Napoleon, and Hannibal). They are men pushed to the absolute extreme. I consider them my brothers.
I believe you are missing commentary on the religious and spiritual foundations of the Kahn and his conviction. The "I am the wrath of God, for if you did not commit great evil... I wouldn't be here [paraphrase]" quote comes to mind. You mention the Eternal Blue Heaven, but you have yet to give any context into what that means for the Kahn and the Mongols. Not to mention Tengerri (sic) and the mess of "religious" men he dealth with. You touched on the obvious chinese fraud guy lol
I really enjoy your stuff! It is truly some of the best if not the best analysis I've heard on Kahn. He is my brother.
Source Links (apparently having lots of links in a video description hurts chances of people finding it, so I'm testing that. Rest of my sources are still listed in the description itself)
The Secret History of the Mongols: A Mongolian Epic Chronicle of the Thirteenth Century. Translated by Igor de Rachewiltz. Edited by John C. Street. cedar.wwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1003&context=cedarbooks See chapter 12, page 185-189.
de Rachewiltz's commentaries: altaica.ru/LIBRARY/rachewiltz/Rachewiltz_The%20Secret%20History%20of%20the%20Mongols_I-II%202004.pdf relevant section begins page 980.
Juzjani. Ṭabaḳāt-i-Nāṣirï: A General History of the Muhammadan Dynasties of Asia. Vol. II. Translated by H.G Raverty. London: Gilbert & Rivington, 1881.
archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.211407/page/n384
See pages 1085-1096 (curse you Raverty and your huge footnotes)
‘Ala-ad-Din ‘Ata-Malik Juvaini, The History of the World-Conqueror. Vol. I. Translated by John Andrew Boyle. Harvard: Harvard University Press, 1958.
archive.org/stream/historyoftheworl011691mbp#page/n3/mode/2up
See pages 180-183
Erdeni-yin Tobchi: Geschichte der Ost-Mongolen und Ihres Fürstenhauses, verfasst von Ssanag Ssetsen. Translated by Isaac Jacob Schmidt. St. Petersburg, 1829. archive.org/details/geschichtederost00ssan/page/n6 See pages 100-102 for Gurbelchin (in German)
Pelliot, Paul. Notes on Marco Polo, Vol I. 1959. altaica.ru/LIBRARY/Pelliot/Pelliot_Notes%20on%20Marco%20Polo_I%201959.pdf relevant section begins page 305.
Well regarding to the ending comment of angering the spirit of a world conqueror is not something you'd want, Timur's tomb was opened by soviet archeologists and an inscription on it read that whoever opened his tomb shall unleash a greater conqueror than him and in which 2 days later Nazi Germany invades the Soviet Union.
Supposedly, and I cannot verify this, but there was a Russian archaeologist who made a comment along the lines of, "that's what happened when we opened Temur's tomb; imagine what would happen if we opened Chinggis Khan's?"
Wasn’t the tomb already opened in the 1740s by nader shah?
A video a reasonable time after the previous one? And in the same week? You all must have been on very good behaviour. See you guys next month
Can you do a video of the Monguor people
They are i think descendent of mongol soldiers
They are heavily influenced by tibetan language and are tibetan buddhist
@@RPM1776 I'll have to look into them, I'm afraid I don't know much about them beyond the name. But, those types of videos are always fun, so I can add it to my list!
The Jackmeister: Mongol History also a video on history of mongolian/mongolic irridentism and nationalism from old to present
Like your work Jack! Check out Expedition Unknown tomb of Genghis episode, you'll find it interesting
@@RPM1776 that is for sure something I will cover in future: how Mongols have used the image of Chinggis Khan over time (especially since democratization) and how it ties into nationalism is a very fascinating topic there has been lots of work on.
One thing all the historían agree is that he had a violent Dead. Like the saying goes “Live by the Sword 🗡 died by the Sword ⚔️” and the secrecy of the way he died was to make him no more than a legend by his people. Karma.
Oh man, the last sentence was the most important point, just don't mess with it.
Jack, Where does your education on this subject come from?
Everything I know about the Mongol Empire is based off of primary sources and the works of historians specializing in this area. I did complete a 4 year degree (Honours in History) which provided me a lot of the skills I use in writing, forming arguments, assessing sources as well as databases I use for collecting materials, but as for actual knowledge on the Mongols that is all self taught. I do hope to continue on for Graduate Studies on this period though. If you are curious about specific sources I used for this video, then they are listed in the video description.
Thanks Jack. Was just curious.@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory
Humble men, in a humble grave.
Man, they could not even record a portrait of him especially while he was younger without disputes. Forget about his cause of death as well as his whereabouts remain. They were meant to be a secret and by all accounts will remain to be.
Chinese sage: No
So I guess You can Visit His Tomb so long as You are respectful if There are any Mongols here please tell Me if I’m right or Wrong
Marco Polo : The Inventor of the Joke "I was an adventurer like you, but then I took an arrow in the Knee"
When I uploaded this, I had visions of getting notifications for a dozen variations of that... but I guess even Skyrim is starting to get a little old for memes? It came out a staggering 9 years ago, after all.
His name isn't Chingus, it's Genghas
Well, your drawig skills did got better I guess.
I loved the ending
RIP big man
Noooo
imo: I think he was cremated
My super hero....... Genghis khan
Chinggis Khan💀
Nooo my boiiii
How on God's green earth did you comment so quickly?
The Jackmeister: Mongol History i am the speed of the horses of the mongol steppe...
@@RPM1776 very honorable
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according to the mongolian tale, Genghis Khan was died because of severely injured by a Tangut Princess he forced married during the invasion against Tangut kingdom. the Princess pretended to marry the Khan willingly but she bit the Khan's organ of sex at night. the injury forced the Mongolian army to retreat immediately but he couldnt make it back to receive proper medical treatment and died. I am not making this up. this is from the mongolian, they say because this way of death is way too humiliating for a great hero, so the historian covered it up and changed the story. The mongolian had no reason to fake a story like this to toy with their hero's death. probably it is real. when your enemy is too strong, his only weakness could be woman. where you have absolutely no guards during the sex intercourse.
Yes, the story of the princess Gurbelchin (who does get mentioned in this video!). The thing about that story though, is that it doesn't show up in sources until about 300 years after the events: I think the earliest mention in from the 1500s? There is nothing like this in the versions of the 13th century, and there were plenty of people writing in the 1200s who hated Chinggis and would have loved to tell such a story.
It should be noted as well that the works in which this shows up in (such as the Erdeniin Tobchi) are not always intended to be exactly literal: just before the destruction of the Tangut, Chinggis and the Tangut King have a battle where they transform into animals, which Chinggis ultimately wins by transforming into Heaven. The story with Gurblechin then follows shortly thereafter. It is something that also pops up in a couple other Mongolian sources of this period. Some have suggested that the story was started by the non-Chinggisid Oirats, who had dominated Mongolia for the 15th century, and who wanted to slander the Great Khan since their authority did not lie with descent from him. During the length of their rule, this version with Gurblechin then became 'adopted' as an official version (and since the Secret History of the Mongols didn't offer much of a detailed alternative, it was hard to contrast).
However, some authors have noted it is possible that it was based off true events, and perhaps written down in 13th century sources which didn't survive. It is not impossible that it could have been transmitted orally as well: the fact that is was so embarrassing would explain why the Mongols went to such effort to keep it quiet in the immediate aftermath of his death.
Why we should respect Mongolian today and try not to find chinggis khan grave. Their ancestors unleashed so much atrocity on planet earth and killed so many innocent people.
Thats my dooood
He didn't conquer the world 😅 lol
He was and still is the biggest conqueror in the world lol.
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