I find your videos most helpful with ton of correct small but very important details. Thus, I'll be able to correct my licks and play more profitably. Thanks
Again, excellent video! Could you tell us a little more about when to preferably 3bet small pocket pairs? Is it ideal in position against players with a wide opening range who tend to be rather passive on flops that they miss? Or would that just make it a bluff 3bet with a little equity for the times we get called? Thanks James!
Yes, sucks when you are around 20-30bb deep. You need to be much deeper. It's a bad idea because it's a waste play. When you are 20bb deep you will lose way too much of your stack trying to hit something you simply won't hit enough times. It's also a bad idea because other players are also short so they are more likely to shove hands. Which means you can't be sure to even see the flop.
@@dimitrispolitis9393 Haha no, of course I will still shove in the right moment to be sure I don't blind out. But setmining is not a great strategy when you are shortstacked in general. It's usually better to shove or fold small pp rather than just call and hope to get lucky on the flop.
A squeeze is a 3bet when there is a raise and then 1 (or more callers). I did a complete video on it here that might help: th-cam.com/video/LU21vpLwApo/w-d-xo.html
so basically i would make it the 2,5% rule instead of the 5% rule? im trying to make it simple because figuring out how much $0,16 x 25 is might be tough at the table. especially when multitabling. figuring out how big the bet is in compareance to the effective stack size is much quicker and easier.
being results orientated, I missed a big one. $1/$2 game UTG opens to $20 CO flats (tight old man) I am sitting OTB with 44. I elected to fold and sure enough 4 on the door. I wont tell you if it would have held up because regardless I folded. I want to say fold was good because I am looking at a 2 outer.
Great video, totally enjoyed it. My only question would be, since low stakes live cash game are usually raising bigger than online, does it mean we just can never setmine profitably unless both players have doubled up? exemple 1/2 : max buy-in is 200$, raises are between 10-20$ preflop...so unless we are both deeper there is simply no good spot to setmine i guess. Same goes for 2/5, max buy-in is 500$ and raises are 25-50$
THIS. My 2/2 NL game has a max buy in of 150 and an average open raise size is from 6 to 15, depending on the table dynamics. Even with a 6 dollar open, it would be impossible to get a 25x. I think for live, maybe around a 12x-15x would make more sense, that way a $10 open with a $150 stack would be reasonable. Would like to see what SplitSuit has to say about this.
Yeah, so the goal here is profitability. I'm used to an interesting dynamic as well, in Colorado where there is $100 max spread limit games. So, I have both the buy-in problem that you guys have highlighted, and the fact that I can only wager $100 on 3 streets; in other words, very hard to get paid off, and even when you do, it's $300. So I think you just have to take that into account - which is what he stated, more of less, and set-mine only in optimal conditions. I simply use the 5/10 rule for that part of the problem since the 25x rule is simply not realistic in most of these cases. However, as I say that, these games are also annoying limp call games, most of the time, which puts the 25x thing back in play - if someone limps for $2, with a $200 stack (extremely common) we have our 25x criteria - the problem is that they are limping such an enormously wide range they never have anything to pay us off - so, yeah, 5/10 rule in these games amongst all the other factors he highlighted in the video.
great videoo but you have sometimes to play sp in the blinds vs a steal raise. not because you think you get paid of of his weak range, but for the fact that you can represent a strong hand. if someone knews that you never plays sp in sou a situatian thats exploitable. but as always great video
If there are lots of fish at your table when you do have a marginal decision like small pocket pairs, your best bet is to fold, against fish you are always going to get better opportunities there is no need to fight for the marginal spots.
I do think we should take in to consideration that when a guy has 60BB he is much more likely to be a weaker player who will likely either stack off post flop with one pair and or check fold when he misses or maybe even check call A high
Damn, you hit 5 sets in one 6 minute video. Freakin' luckbox.
Thanks for the video. If you miss the flop, should you call to see the turn in a dry board?
Watched one of your videos and instantly knew it's quality info, thanks for this!
You're very welcome Curtis!
Thank you!
May have been asked, but does this also apply to tournament poker? (same question regarding many of your other videos about specific hands.)
I love how your explanations are so clear and thorough ! Understanding what lies under a strategy is the key, right ? :)
Cheers, and you're 100% correct!
Old info, but I suppose it doesn't change much. I would have liked you to talk about cash game VS tournament play. Do you play it differently?
I find your videos most helpful with ton of correct small but very important details. Thus, I'll be able to correct my licks and play more profitably. Thanks
You're very welcome!
Good video! Definitely a useful look at the sometimes frustrating small pocket pairs.
Excellent video. Splitsuit, The Poker Bank and Red Chip poker are fast becoming my favourite strategy sources.
This worked perfectly, I got pocket 2s, called a 3 bet (with 25x) and hit my set on the flop and sent pocket kings running home to their mother.
so you open raised 22 from which position exactly?
I think he squeezed in the middle of it, called a raise and then called a 3bet
Well played, but calling a 3-Bet with 22 wasn't the advice here.
what do you think is the most profitable way to play small pocket pairs from utg on a passive vs an aggressive table?
full ring aggro table i am probably folding 22-55 6 max makes it very interesting decision wise.
how about in a tournament?
Again, excellent video! Could you tell us a little more about when to preferably 3bet small pocket pairs? Is it ideal in position against players with a wide opening range who tend to be rather passive on flops that they miss? Or would that just make it a bluff 3bet with a little equity for the times we get called? Thanks James!
Try H. I like 3betting small pairs when villain will fold a lot (large gap between O and C ranges)...this is done as a bluff ofc.
so set mining in tournament games where everyone has only 20bb is a bad idea? since you cannot get 25x of a standard 3bb open?
Yes, sucks when you are around 20-30bb deep. You need to be much deeper. It's a bad idea because it's a waste play. When you are 20bb deep you will lose way too much of your stack trying to hit something you simply won't hit enough times. It's also a bad idea because other players are also short so they are more likely to shove hands. Which means you can't be sure to even see the flop.
So you just wait to blind out ? @@totalhysteria
@@dimitrispolitis9393 Haha no, of course I will still shove in the right moment to be sure I don't blind out. But setmining is not a great strategy when you are shortstacked in general. It's usually better to shove or fold small pp rather than just call and hope to get lucky on the flop.
When you're
@@TheGuyCalledX Good explanation. Small pp are still useful but you just have to change approach and understand how to play them when you get shorter.
This guy imo is the best instructor
Thanks Aaron!
this topic is perfectly explained. thank you so much.
Thanks Johnatan!
Please add a final summary of steps to take ,m still a lil confused
These videos are fantastic. Do you ever do work for pokerstrategy.com?
Thank you! I believe SplitSuit has at least 5 videos on PokerStrategy.
Yo I’ve been burning money setmining
I should have a gt3 by now!
Please can you define a squeezer for me thanks
A squeeze is a 3bet when there is a raise and then 1 (or more callers). I did a complete video on it here that might help: th-cam.com/video/LU21vpLwApo/w-d-xo.html
James (SplitSuit) cheers mate 👊🏻
so basically i would make it the 2,5% rule instead of the 5% rule? im trying to make it simple because figuring out how much $0,16 x 25 is might be tough at the table. especially when multitabling. figuring out how big the bet is in compareance to the effective stack size is much quicker and easier.
You are correct, yes. It makes it the 2.5x rule instead :)
+The Poker Bank should it be 4% instead, no? cause 3 is 4% of 75 ( the minimum required in the first example)
being results orientated, I missed a big one. $1/$2 game UTG opens to $20 CO flats (tight old man) I am sitting OTB with 44. I elected to fold and sure enough 4 on the door. I wont tell you if it would have held up because regardless I folded. I want to say fold was good because I am looking at a 2 outer.
Great video, totally enjoyed it. My only question would be, since low stakes live cash game are usually raising bigger than online, does it mean we just can never setmine profitably unless both players have doubled up? exemple 1/2 : max buy-in is 200$, raises are between 10-20$ preflop...so unless we are both deeper there is simply no good spot to setmine i guess. Same goes for 2/5, max buy-in is 500$ and raises are 25-50$
THIS.
My 2/2 NL game has a max buy in of 150 and an average open raise size is from 6 to 15, depending on the table dynamics. Even with a 6 dollar open, it would be impossible to get a 25x. I think for live, maybe around a 12x-15x would make more sense, that way a $10 open with a $150 stack would be reasonable. Would like to see what SplitSuit has to say about this.
Yeah, so the goal here is profitability. I'm used to an interesting dynamic as well, in Colorado where there is $100 max spread limit games. So, I have both the buy-in problem that you guys have highlighted, and the fact that I can only wager $100 on 3 streets; in other words, very hard to get paid off, and even when you do, it's $300.
So I think you just have to take that into account - which is what he stated, more of less, and set-mine only in optimal conditions. I simply use the 5/10 rule for that part of the problem since the 25x rule is simply not realistic in most of these cases. However, as I say that, these games are also annoying limp call games, most of the time, which puts the 25x thing back in play - if someone limps for $2, with a $200 stack (extremely common) we have our 25x criteria - the problem is that they are limping such an enormously wide range they never have anything to pay us off - so, yeah, 5/10 rule in these games amongst all the other factors he highlighted in the video.
awwweeesoooooome, ive been setmining WRONG for a long time !! thank you !!
You are very welcome
great videoo but you have sometimes to play sp in the blinds vs a steal raise. not because you think you get paid of of his weak range, but for the fact that you can represent a strong hand. if someone knews that you never plays sp in sou a situatian thats exploitable. but as always great video
If there are lots of fish at your table when you do have a marginal decision like small pocket pairs, your best bet is to fold, against fish you are always going to get better opportunities there is no need to fight for the marginal spots.
I do think we should take in to consideration that when a guy has 60BB he is much more likely to be a weaker player who will likely either stack off post flop with one pair and or check fold when he misses or maybe even check call A high
which makes me think for those guys that would be a 20x which makes me think means the 20x buffer rule will be more applicable for such a situation.
Nice and Good Explanation .....Thank YOU !
very good video and i loved the dream-animation at min. 3:15, omg that was awesome!
Thank you =) I really hope you are the real Jenkees...as that would make my year =)
cool, this does help.
Perfect!