What Is SPR? | Poker Quick Plays
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- This poker video was created by www.splitsuit.com for www.thepokerbank.com
In this video you will learn all about SPR, a powerful poker concept that helps you visualize commitment. SplitSuit covers what a small, medium, and large SPR look like and also the hands that perform best in each. Calculating SPR is simple, and something that good players are always considering before putting in money preflop. So get this concept understood so you can choose better ranges preflop and understand when to automatically stack off postflop!
You can learn more about SPR in this comprehensive article: www.splitsuit.com/spr-poker-s...
Honestly, these videos are incredible. So simple, great visuals and fantastic explanations, please keep them going!
+Hackminz thanks Hack!
holy crap, i've been binging on poker tutorials for over two weeks and this one video just answered, like, ALL my questions as to what I generally do wrong...
Awesome to hear!
I’ve watched several of your videos now and I’m really impressed. Your explanation of things really make it easy to digest. I am a member of a popular training site, but there are some basic principles they assume you fully understand which may not always be the case, so you are my go to when I have a question about these things. I will be purchasing your audiobooks from Audible as well. Thanks for all the great content.
Wow, great video... Cool thing is I have already been somewhat applying this concept. I always look at stack sizes ahead of me before I make a decision on what to do and bet sizing. This gives me more to ponder and apply. Love your videos!
Thanks Jonathan, glad you already had a good idea of this concept!
SplitSuit if I ever meet you I need to shake your hand. I love watch the videos and getting your insight on different lines to take. It makes a lot of the decisions a lot easier for me. Now I have to implore the SPR technique, Pot Odds ratio, Understanding type of player up against, oop or not, and stage of the game. I am getting very good and a part of that is because of you. So thank you!!
If you are in Vegas this summer you can shake his hand :)
Excellent video! Thanks a lot! I really enjoy your videos. Objective, clear and efficient.
+Marlon Santana thanks Marlon!
That was really well explained...not I not only what SPR is...but what it is all about. Thank you
i was reading an article. Then i saw this video and all became clear. thx
I'd like to thank you for posting this video. I'm just starting to learn about poker, but I think SPR has helped plug a lot of leaks in my game. Obviously I've got a long way to go, but I can't believe how much of an impact this has had on my profitability already. I think it's because it sort of nudges you in the right direction across many important areas like bet sizing, pot geometry, post-flop decision making and so on. I'm not feeling like I've over-committed to pots with silly hands anymore because I'm constantly trying to manipulate SPR to my advantage early on. I've also found that I get paid WAY better and more often on monster hands than I did before due to the fact that I've pumped up the pot so much early in the hand. Really awesome videos. Thanks.
Steve you're very welcome Steve!
this guy should be a hypnotist because his voice makes me sleepy.
Are you sure SPR isnt calculated on the turn and river? Ive seen videos out there saying you should
Im totally going to rethink about every hand I play now, thanks for this power concept!
You're very welcome
Great and understandable video! Thank you :)
good vid, very clear explanation, subbed
thanks and welcome Sklettiez!
GREAT VIDEO. THANK YOU.
I’m a bit confused and would be really grateful if you could answer this question. Using the example at 4:50, why would we want to 4bet instead of call? 4betting would make the spr even smaller right? Unless the intention here is to get them to fold which is very unlikely considering they raised us and have a short stack.
I know it’s been 2 years now but I think the idea with 4-betting or folding is that you will fold to a tight 3-bet range (TT+, AQ+, etc.) because they would indeed just call with only better hands if you 4-bet, but you would 4-bet for their whole stack against a wider range because they would either fold and give you their 3-bet or call and give you some long term profit with your range advantage.
If instead you just called and flop came with an overcard, calling if they bet would be EV- if I’m not incorrect
What if you are late in a tourney? I found myself having a 20bb stack 5 handed. I min raised in early position with QJo... probably my fatal mistake. I got 2 callers and flopped a top pair J in a 2.4 SPR pot. I figured I had to shove, only to get called by KJo and bust. I guess I shouldn't be raising with QJo in early position, but I figured a) it was only 5 handed b) I needed to pick up some blinds. If I waited for the range you suggested to raise with my stack, I think I would have given up on too many pots and gotten blinded out, but I'm not sure.
Cool point about not recalculating SPR on turn and river. Also good point about thinking ahead when committing preflop to what will end up being a very low SPR. That was a great example with the pocket 8's facing a 3-bet for showing how to use SPR to help determine whether to 4-bet or fold.
+McGavel1 Also cool points about "the grey zone".
+McGavel1 thank you!
Always the best. Thank you so much.
You're very welcome Alexander!
Hi James thank you for all the amazing stuff you keep putting out there. I'm an online micros player and would really like your recommendation on reading material or other resources I can use to improve my game and move up
+Poker Grinder you're very welcome! Have you read my book Dynamic Full Ring Poker? If you play 9-10 handed, I'd suggest starting there =)
+James (SplitSuit) Thanks James for the quick reply! I did not know you had a book out there and given how much I enjoy your style of delivery and the awesome reviews I've read of the book so far I will definitely be reading the book a couple of times. One question though, I see you usually targeting small stakes and wonder how much of those concepts you think are relatable to the micros?Thanks once again!
+James (SplitSuit) Awesome James! I'm loving the book! It's more dense then it seems but will go over it cover to cover once for now and then dig into the individual sections and start strategy building & note taking. I'm playing during this time as well so there are some adjustments I try to apply on the fly based on the reading but it's really fun so far!
Looking forward to more recommendations and as always keep up the great work!!!!
Thanks for this great content :)
Hi Split, great video. After watching this video I've gone through my hand histories to evaluate some of my post flop plays. I have one question I have though, is the SPR calculated when the flop hits because it can and does change as the action proceeds during the flop play. Example: You have a A high flush draw on the button. A 10 SPR on the flop becomes a 2 SPR by the time the action gets to you on the button. Are you now committed even though you didn't bet the flop? I'm just asking this as a general question with no regards to flop texture etc. Thanks in advance for your reply.
nickyblinds you don't recalculate the SPR once there is flop action. The SPR is established (and set in stone) the absolute moment the flop is seen. Not after action, not on future cards. Does that help?
The Poker Bank yes. ..thanks for the response
Thanks for the video. There's still one thing that kept me wondering. You stated that calling a low SPR pot with pocket 88 is tough. Do you avoid low pocket pairs because the equity isn't good enough against the range of our opponent? Because someone with a low stack and thus low SPR is likely to have like 99+ AJs+ KQs AKo? (this is just a range I made up. According to pokerstove 88 is a 2-1 underdog so from that point of view I can understand that it's not profitable to play 88 in that spot). I understand that you can earn way more in a high SPR pot when you hit your set but still I don't totally get why pocket 88 is not a good hand to be committed with to a small SPR pot.
You are very welcome Roger. We avoid them partially because they are very tricky to play (lower pairs flop more 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pairs while are very tough to play postflop), and mostly because their equity isn't great like you said.
Hi James, I was wondering if the concept of what the effective stack is changes when in multi-way pots. I ask this because even if the effective stack goes all in on the flop or the turn, in a multi-way pot the larger stacks can obviously continue to keep betting and building side-pots. Does being in a multi-way pot change what is considered the effective stack when calculating SPR?
good question!
Appreciate ur content, infinite respect.
Cheers!
Great videos. Question. When applying all this info. Are you getting in the NIT zone? Or am I wrong on that.
Mahym not nitty, no...just making +EV decisions based solely on math.
Very. Very important concept. I was making a lot of mistakes in the past trying to setmine with SPR close to 2-3...now I rarely make this mistake... But thanks again for clarification.
Cheers!
How do we use SPR with pot odds? Which one do we use? SPR or pot odds/outs?
i just bought your book.
Thomas Minder Enjoy it!
+The Poker Bank Cool, I'll have to check that out.
This may be a bold statement for someone just starting out in poker, but if I ever win the WSP I'll have to give you a cut of the winnings. Love your videos!
Thanks Ivan! And booked =)
So if you are SB with AQs and BB has a short stack you should not raise in case you are pot committed without a big pair? I would still be raising and calling a reraise.
On the pokerbank website explaining SPR low=0-6 medium=7-16 high=17+ Just wondering why such a big difference between this vid and website recommendations,and which is correct. Thanks.
The ones listed on the site are the original SPR zones - the ones in the video are Split's adaptations to clearly highlight auto-commitment.
where can i play online if im from PR?
Can you use this as a short stack to force your opponent to commit to the pot? I think ive had this occur a few times. and when sniffing out flush draws and things like that makes for a easy shove.
+Andrew Maurer for sure.
I had no idea how little I knew!
Keep watching our videos to learn even more
James (SplitSuit) Great Video, but one thing is missing. The effects when the Pots get multiway. I happen to play NL100 live and the Pots gets 30bb at flop with 2-4 players. The SPR is often in danger zone between 3 and 5. I hit Toppairs and then? (vs muliply villians sometimes it is not possible to dicate the SPR)
Jürgen Scheffler it's still possible, but quite often you'll have different SPRs against different players.
Great video but way to fast for me to capture what's going on as each example unfolds.
Irrelevant question but does anyone know a good poker site for Pennsylvania player to make real money? Thanks
what if both start hand with 100 bb.....lets say in a 50NL game, i have AcQc (CO), i bet 3 bb preflop, villian (BTN) calls...flop is Qh 2c 3c...i bet 5 bb AND villian raise to 20 bb ....do i calculate SPR according to his remainning stack even though i havent put so much in the pot yet ? Btw Great videos you Guys make:)
+Eilif Petersen Thanks Eilif! You calculate the SPR at the beginning of the flop (and then never again after that). So you had 97 back and the pot was 7.5bb when the flop started. The SPR is in stone at (97/7.5) = 13 SPR
So, if I am looking for opportunities to play AA, KK QQ AK against opponents with LOW SPR then aren't I pretty much getting married to AA KK QQ ect... against players with small stacks. When can I fold an over pair against a player with a $200 stack who goes all in on the flop with a pot of $150?
quick question about SPR levels... i've seen conflicting articles, some -as you do- have a low spr at 2 or less but some have it at 6 or less and medium spr at 7-16 and 16+ for high...(thepokerbank.com lists it as this)
www.thepokerbank.com/strategy/concepts/spr/
im confused and any help would be appreciated
cheers
Shane Harbin the SPRs listed on our site need to be updated. Using the model of small =
The Poker Bank can you discuss why it's a good model vs. the higher numbers in the original book?
So u don’t actually calculate until pre flop action has closed?
Almost 4 years later, and now I wonder if the "rules" about SPR numbers really apply anymore -- because so many opponents are EITHER extremely bad (they still might "commit" with just Top Pair Garbage Kicker EVEN IF the SPR is like 7 or 10 or more!) while the others are much better than ever before at "~GTO balancing" their ranges so they might be barrelling with air or weak draws etc. so you can't really fold a decent SDV hand even if the SPR was quite high on the flop...
Still, I gotta say I love watching (re-watching) this "Poker Quick Plays" series of SplitSuit's... always good to be reminded of "fundamentals".
What is SDV?
@@mizakzee ShowDown Value
@@dimitrispolitis9393 thanks!
I like your videos, but r u suggestimg never fold AA when SPR is, say 1.8 etc.? What's the reason behind it for not folding big pair when SPR is small? Take the j Ten Flop in it video, if a guy who only all in sets just all in, will u fold?
If you knew 100% that he ONLY had sets, sure, fold. But the amount of info it would take to be 100% confident in that read is nearly impossible to get. The mistake of making huge folds in tiny SPR pots is typically way worse than the mistake your opponent made getting involved in that small SPR pot in the first place =)
@@splitsuit but do normal folks shoving light enough time here? If the SPR is 2, and he all in we need 40% here, I call a lot at such spot before, and the time they do not have it, they usually have a draw which still have 25_36% equity
@@liyexiang666 They don't need to shove pure bluffs to make our call +EV, they just have shove with a range that we have proper equity against. It sounds like your experience also backs up having plenty enough equity where calling is far better than folding =)
@@splitsuit thats why i start to fold because they almost always have my one pair crashed or the time they do not, they have a decent draw. I am confused after watching this, because now, i want to know should i play this way., is it just about that whether we meet the win rate that pot odds require? and second question is that sometimes i find that you call one or two time they start to show good hand, you fold and they start to shove more, do you took that into account when u playing or do you adjust when you see people fold to you all in but you did not know what they fold?
@@liyexiang666 I might suggest giving this article a read: www.splitsuit.com/are-you-folding-too-much-in-poker . As for the adjustments, I certainly think about the history and dynamics and how villain might adjust based upon those things. But without big sample sizes, it's far too easy to let short term biased memories influence your strategy incorrectly.
Help! I think I'm thinking to much into it. If I calculated my SPR pre-flop do I once again recalculate on the flop... It say not TO re-calculate turn and river but not sure if it needs to be re-calculated on flop..:
+Juan Campos the flop is the only street that matters when it comes to SPR. When you are calculating SPR preflop it's only because you are saying "what's the SPR going to be if I see a flop in this hand?"
+The Poker Bank ...is SPR just for cash games? Is SPR good for Tournament ? Thank You ... Very much for the Reply
+Juan Campos interesting question!
+Juan Campos SPR is for any NL/PL game, including cash, MTTs, SNGs, and even PLO
@@ThePokerBank Thanks for clarifying
In the example shown in 4.30, why should you 4bet? If he calls, the SPR will be even smaller. So you want him to fold? I don´t understand....
Also, if a short stack raises enough preflop (which in turn makes the SPR in the flop automatically small) he has automatically a range advantage? right?
I’m confused by this aswell I know this is an old comment but it’s frustrating how I can’t figure it out lol
@@AintEzBeinCheezy 1 year later I still have this leak im my game xd
The things he was suggesting seem like a backward way of thinking. For example, if someone pre flop shoves with possibly AA making the SPR very high and I have 65 suited, his logic suggests that I call considering that the SPR is high and 65 suited plays better during higher SPR's. If you look at any poker odds calculator, they will all tell you that AA has a much better win % than say a 65 suited. Not to mention that at your example at 4:30 you should never fold 88 especially if the pot is that low as it can at least give you the opportunity to hit a set.
I'm a bit confused on how to apply SPR to tournament poker in the early stages. For example, Let's say I'm ten minutes into an online tournament, the blinds are only $15-$30 and the average stack is about 2,000 chips. Most of those hands are going to have a really high SPR. That doesn't mean that I should muck A-K in a high SPR pot, but that I don't have to commit myself to the pot? I hate to sound like an idiot, but I am a bit confused.
Correct, it just means that you are not AUTOMATICALLY committed with it in the high SPR pots :)
I just came from a video that said the exact opposite for playing small vs. big SPR pots i.e. play many more hands with small and play only strong hands on bigger ones. so now I'm torn.
Here is the video I mentioned th-cam.com/video/LJWzZH1IICo/w-d-xo.html
He also disagrees with you on when to use SPR.
@@kevinpilon11 The linked video has the SPR formula as pot over stack, which means small SPR is a small pot big stack scenario where you want to play more drawy hands. The SPR formula is inverted, but after controlling for that inversion, *the advice is the same.*
@@MagnusvonYoshi Thank you for clearing that up!
On poker bank you said this.
III) High, medium and low SPRs.
Low SPR = 0 - 6
Medium SPR = 7 - 16
High SPR = 17+
but in this video you said that a low spr is (0-2) so the conclusion?
Cipa This video is the most up-to-date SPR breakdown :)
The Poker Bank so SplitSuit can you make some adjustment on you pokerbank site to not confuse people?
Cipa I don't own thepokerbank.com. I just manage the TH-cam channel. I'll ask Greg to update that article on the site at some point though.
I guess we don't have to buy that book anymore! Thanks for the vid.
The book is still super valuable...this video is just a super brief cliffnotes of the major concept :)
The Poker Bank which book what is the title?
joe blonski professional no limit by 2+2
Why did you not give an example with more than 2 after flop
To keep the video from being super long.
I've heard people use it after flop on turn and river
Since SPR is just a calculation, you certainly can calculate it on the turn & river. However, I would NOT suggest using the same flop SPR commitment thresholds on those later streets.
I a player play with what you call a Huge leak preflop, plans never buts in money after the flop with out a had that are better the top pair and to kicker and put in money with better hand. then that bad preflop leak will win the money in the long run vs this theory. Because a player is not going to put the same amount of money in with there lesser holding, missing this in the formula will make this a bad play with play almost anyone then the weakest opponents
always thought this was just knowing how to play the hand i.e. when to get it in, when to 3-bet or call when you have good equity or implied odds. Is it really important to add a new system called "SPR" if I already understand it by simply looking at stack sizes and planning how to best play my hand? I will admit it looks useful
Because SPR gives us an actual numerical framework to use rather than just relying on feel to gauge how committed we are (or aren't)
The Poker Bank ah I see, well its been working for me, using it all the time now, so thanks :)
The Poker Bank is it no longer needed to use pot odds preflop and on the flop if you are using this method?
It's not that we ignore pot odds or anything, rather the SPR thresholds were created keeping those elements in mind.
Right idea non of the math lol
You have 6 outs and 10k your on the flop and he bets 1/2 pot and half pot is X.
X is what 10% of your stack 25% of your stack or 60% of your stack what is your move.
Do you call 25% for 10% of your stack
Do you fold 25% for 60% of your stack
People are very comfortable putting in10% for 25% to win 2X money
People are very uncomfortable putting in 60% to win 2x money but if it’s 4x money people are happy again
wtf?! not calculated on the turn and river?? it actually IS calculated on the later streets...
This is why limping,smooth calling and making small raises that are designed to keep your opponents in the hand with aces pre is a bad idea.
Pot ratio - RI = POTATO
fuck i which i was better at math still helpful video think i get the basic idea
Your videos are great, but you use to much jargon...new playerss will not understand you.
fernando tenorio totally fair. Unfortunately, poker is absolutely filled with jargon upon jargon and it's really tough to make videos that don't include it :(
if they're really interested in the game they will learn the jargon, if not they'll just give me money ;)