Gaijin Need to implement AA Systems like Skynex, which Are capable of handle the amount of air to ground ordinance fired in the matches. And give an actual reward for intercepting enemy bombs and missiles at least equivalent to an assist. AA Systems like the FlaRakRad stand no Chance against 18 Brimstones, you can intercept 2 missiles an then you Are dead
I am an advocate of adding 2-3 patriot/ whatever russian long range SAM system to both sides of maps for both teams, and create a seperate AA mode for player SPAA's. This creates a better environment for both Ground and Air players.
Apparently the variants of Eurofighters they're adding were never equiped with brimstones. This means that they may just take them away, or have to change them to later models.
Yep, LOAL method, I've been using this method in apache helicopters with hellfires for a while now and got pretty good with it. The fact that you can put SPI on the exact spot where you want your targeting optics to look will instantly improve hellfires too.
yeah apache loal with 16 hellfires is also insane, placing a SPI through the map will also make the apache better now although ill probably just use the tgp and then duck behind cover anyway
@@Apex_warthunder you need to have enable laser before launch turned off in settings otherwise the laser will fire immediately and the hellfires will start tracking whatever is blocking your LOS, and then only turn the laser on once you can see the target
If they're ever going to introduce the FnF Brimstone, I think they'll probably artificially nerf it by limiting it to a max of 6x per plane, but still cost more SP than Mav cause I believe the Brimstone can track through smokes (like the Khrizantema) due to it having mm radar seeker instead of IR.
Yeah I was expecting them to keep it limited to 6 but then eventually introduce LOBL radar brimstones, but maybe not then. But I like the current brimstones as they are very unique in the ways you can use them
Negative, the video is biased. It's not just the Eurofighter, but all jets equipped with laser-guided missiles. I won't even mention the most overpowered one, the KH-38, as the new map system will be able to accomplish that. Note: The Brimstone is very slow.
i mean why would he show a soviet jet take down a soviet spaa. and you have alot of brimstones to kill it and confused it so the slow part doesnt matter
A kh 38ml is very easy to shoot down in all spaa, I have seen a otomatic shoot them down. The kh 38ml is incredibly bright and makes it easy go shoot down the kh 38ml, the iog doesn't work very well on the kh 38 either
and people say that su34 is too op, the thing is that you can just shot down all kh rockets but you cant just counter small brimstone that is harder for radar to detect and find their location meanwhile with su34 your radar tells you where su34 is, and so you know that there is somewhere, in the same location, missiles coming at you
The Tiger UHT was the first fire and forget system in war thunder and that was already a problem, now so many jets and other helis have these fire and forget systems, which just break the balance hard now.
They should add at this point Phalanx and C-Ram system that automatically tracks and destroy incoming missiles . That is the only viable countermeasure to that absolute horrendous and unbalances spam of CAS
Spawning ainti CAS aircraft with radar missiles is usually 550sp - 600 with fox 3's so we will see what we have been seeing. More dedicated anti CAS players in jets in GRB
I mean, people celebrating and all that Pantsir can now be owned, but remember pantsir is like our last line of defense against cancerous CAS. now that it can be taken down reliably, remember the pantsir when those 18 brimstone each from 5 eurofighters starts obliterating your team from your spawn.
It still require time management and good reaction so its nowhere near as easy as just spamming space button from outside of spaas range like su34/25sm3 do. I hope new Chinese tor will provide some "challenge" to ussr cas (yes, I know they still getting outplayed by ocelot's and tank rooftop machine guns on their kh38 carriers but we are talking about an actual pilots)
I think we need AI SPAA that fire at incoming munitions and any aircraft that get too close. These should spawn with the rest of the players and hang back from the objectives but not sit at spawn.
we need better cas balancing at top tier, this and the f15e makes the pantsir useless, but fighting pantsirs in a tornado gr1 is almost impossible. also the tornado gr4 will have basicly the same matchmaker as the eurofighter in grb, but its slower, has less ordnance, way less nimble and only has 2 fox2s instead of the eurofighters 2 fox2s and 4 fox3s
2:06 , so SU-34 and a lot of russian air , can have the Air to Ground missles such as KH-38 that can kill 6 tanks right after it spawns but Germany and other Nations cant have Fire & Forget Brimstones ? Well balanced
While very powerful, this tactic requires a lot of skill and luck to use especially if you don't have someone to mark SPAAs for you. Most people will juat fly in a straight line and guide one Brimstone at a time.
It would be good if they gave the brimstones some sort of F&F capability akin to that of the AGM65 or KH38, gaijin has modelled weapons ahistorically before and I don't understand why they won't do with the Brimstones, they can even limit the amount you can take if they were worried about balance.
With this strat if you are up against the urss you finally have a way to survive more than 5 seconds if a pantsir is up but i can't imagine how painful this will be for nations that don't have the pantsir that can make the entire map a no fly zone.
Yeah, i partly agree, having 6 fire and forget brimstones would be cooler for getting killstreaks in 1 strafe but i also really like the SAL brimstones as they are unique and fun to use
@@Kai_TG I'm worry about how vulnerable you are flying around the battlefield these days with all the fox 3 missiles around. A su34 with it's OP radar can spawn and launch a R77 at you instantly while you are trying to time the Brimstone arrival on target. It's just not efficient compared com what others can do spamming their fire n forget missiles and retreating to base or going dedicated air defense.
@@apoleonschneiderthe FM is still WiP but the Typhoon is much better at reacting to launches than the Tornado is, the combination of RWR and MAWS should make it easier for you to notch/multipath an R-77 and then turn back in for the terminal lase. Plus with that many Brimstones “wasting” a couple isn’t a huge deal. It’s also worth noting that the Typhoon radar on dev is basically placeholder, so it’s likely it’ll be just as capable as the Su-34, and you can run 4 AMRAAM and 6 AIM-9M with 12 Brimstone so (again unlike the Tornado) you can compete against other planes.
This will only work against AA that has already spawned in, if they catch you without missiles out this wont work. Seems very situational and really is not that effective for normal gameplay.
I disagree, you can always stay low and use your RWR and tgp to figure out if there is an AA and which spawn he is on, and even if you peek up after firing your brimstones to start lazing, you're already out at 10km+ so they have no time to shoot you down
yes this is blatant bullshit. Russia with the best anti air in the fucking game and the best cas planes combined with germany (because in top tier you mostly only see germany and russia playing together anyways) getting the eurofighter with 18 FUCKING BRIMSTONES??!! Like dude i want to play GROUND REALISTIC BATTLES. At this point this shit isnt about ground anymore. if youre driving with a tank youre basically just free rp and sl for the german and russian teams. i mean theres NO WAY of interception the brimstone missiles. This is absolute madness
I mean, that works, until the pantsir player has a form of neuron activation and shoots the plane instead of the missiles. They won’t track without the plane
Did you not watch the video? The missile does not travel at the speed of light, it has to first reach the plane. It can not reach the plane if the plane only pops up for a few seconds to do terminal guidance before going back down to earth. He explained is.
How are controller players supposed to play jets 😂 i don’t have enough buttons to even turn with my flaps. let alone enable and disable missiles and make them lock on to stuff
First off, AFAIK the newest SAM systems can now track projectiles so a good SAM player (i know, that's an oxymoron) should have a decent chance of defending themselves. Also, if they have a laser warning receiver and smoke then they have a second layer of defence. Finally, none of this would be an issue if Gaijin finally pulled their collective fingers out and added area and point defence jammers to the game. If the war in Ukraine has shown us anything it is that the actual hit and kill rates of all these new wonder weapons is WAY less than advertised, that is almost certainly due to having to work in a high ECM environment.
OR you can just fly at M1.3 at low alts and USE your GUNS with ballistic calculator, and also don't fly like a brick towards the rockets! WT community, Stop yapping about AAA at top tiers, they are easy to kill anyway. For myself, i don't have Pantsir, looks poitless for me. Giant cartboard box with pew pew. 2C6 have a great rockets which can turn and gets ppl in like 80% times (there are one cons: you need to think about how you tracking the planes. Dont just lock and shoot.) I'm just tired of constant yapping about nothing from "wannabe cas" players. We have bigger problems in this game about visibility, plane's warning systems (why we can see where we are locking from above or below in fpv, but we don't have that feature on UI?), and the most frustrating turning the seeker off by himself and on F16AJ, AJ35 sometimes TV seeker just don't work on A-G missiles
CAS is strong but you can literally spawn a plane with a2a for 200 SP less and delete the CAS. If you have a monkey brain yea it’d seem “OP”. Now, gaijin should improve ground battles but we all know that won’t happen.
I mean why should i need to spawn in another aircraft in ground battles. Why can i have a actually capable sam system? So i can counter cas effectively in ground battles?
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This is a really cool tactic, thanks for showing us
some days ago they said they know that CAS is too strong, and after some days they are still just braindead devs and gives more biased CAS, well done.
They said they will be changing the way anti air works soon
Then why don't you start changing it now?
Germany had no cas 😊
@avoxyisbetterthanyoubro gets the EF-2000 and still says “Germany has no CAS”
Now after years of struggling!@@Rambo-k2c
Gaijin Need to implement AA Systems like Skynex, which Are capable of handle the amount of air to ground ordinance fired in the matches. And give an actual reward for intercepting enemy bombs and missiles at least equivalent to an assist. AA Systems like the FlaRakRad stand no Chance against 18 Brimstones, you can intercept 2 missiles an then you Are dead
Yeah, while ruzia and china can intercept more than 20
I am an advocate of adding 2-3 patriot/ whatever russian long range SAM system to both sides of maps for both teams, and create a seperate AA mode for player SPAA's. This creates a better environment for both Ground and Air players.
Wow that is dirty, props to you for figuring this out
Apparently the variants of Eurofighters they're adding were never equiped with brimstones. This means that they may just take them away, or have to change them to later models.
The British one would have but the German or Italian one may not have.
War Thunder's best CAS content creator just showed us how to do it, and now US teams are just going to get stomped even harder XD
Yep, LOAL method, I've been using this method in apache helicopters with hellfires for a while now and got pretty good with it.
The fact that you can put SPI on the exact spot where you want your targeting optics to look will instantly improve hellfires too.
For me the hellfires just dive into the ground after losing laser lock lol
yeah apache loal with 16 hellfires is also insane, placing a SPI through the map will also make the apache better now although ill probably just use the tgp and then duck behind cover anyway
@@Apex_warthunder you need to have enable laser before launch turned off in settings otherwise the laser will fire immediately and the hellfires will start tracking whatever is blocking your LOS, and then only turn the laser on once you can see the target
@ ahhh okay, thanks
You're my new favorite warthunder youtuber. Great job. Keep up the great work!
If they're ever going to introduce the FnF Brimstone, I think they'll probably artificially nerf it by limiting it to a max of 6x per plane, but still cost more SP than Mav cause I believe the Brimstone can track through smokes (like the Khrizantema) due to it having mm radar seeker instead of IR.
Yeah I was expecting them to keep it limited to 6 but then eventually introduce LOBL radar brimstones, but maybe not then. But I like the current brimstones as they are very unique in the ways you can use them
If they do add FnF Brimstone they 100% need to also add the AMG-114L Longbow Hellfires
they could just choose not to implement the seeing through smoke thing and no one would really care.
Negative, the video is biased. It's not just the Eurofighter, but all jets equipped with laser-guided missiles. I won't even mention the most overpowered one, the KH-38, as the new map system will be able to accomplish that. Note: The Brimstone is very slow.
How it the Kh-38 the most overpowered one you absolute plonker ?
i mean why would he show a soviet jet take down a soviet spaa.
and you have alot of brimstones to kill it and confused it so the slow part doesnt matter
A kh 38ml is very easy to shoot down in all spaa, I have seen a otomatic shoot them down. The kh 38ml is incredibly bright and makes it easy go shoot down the kh 38ml, the iog doesn't work very well on the kh 38 either
Kh38 is indeed fast, but it big and easy to locate.
This is basically what we do with long range r27er shots, but in GRB.
Gonna go try this with the tornado gr4 thanks man I’m subscribing
Europooper ? nahh Rafale ? FUCK YEAH !
Might just make a dedicated SPAA lineup lol
and people say that su34 is too op, the thing is that you can just shot down all kh rockets but you cant just counter small brimstone that is harder for radar to detect and find their location meanwhile with su34 your radar tells you where su34 is, and so you know that there is somewhere, in the same location, missiles coming at you
I thought Brimstones are useless because of slow speed but after watching your video i learned their proper use.😂
The Tiger UHT was the first fire and forget system in war thunder and that was already a problem, now so many jets and other helis have these fire and forget systems, which just break the balance hard now.
brimstones arent fire and forget
I’m not annoyed that the f18 not getting added to America but Sweden should get something more Than a cv90 with spikes
like what?
@ idk but I’m sure there’s some random plane
nation mainers when their nation doesn't get a gamebreaking overpowered plane/tank for 1(one) update
@Wtstolemysoul no, sweden has been getting a lot of love the past few updates, time for some other nations to shine
They should add at this point Phalanx and C-Ram system that automatically tracks and destroy incoming missiles . That is the only viable countermeasure to that absolute horrendous and unbalances spam of CAS
This just proves that in Ground battles CAS should be minimum 1000sp
This proves that you don't even have any top tier plane
@MerkavaMk.4 yeah. By the looks of this video it should be raised to 1500sp for top tier.
Spawning ainti CAS aircraft with radar missiles is usually 550sp - 600 with fox 3's so we will see what we have been seeing. More dedicated anti CAS players in jets in GRB
I mean, people celebrating and all that Pantsir can now be owned, but remember pantsir is like our last line of defense against cancerous CAS. now that it can be taken down reliably, remember the pantsir when those 18 brimstone each from 5 eurofighters starts obliterating your team from your spawn.
It still require time management and good reaction so its nowhere near as easy as just spamming space button from outside of spaas range like su34/25sm3 do.
I hope new Chinese tor will provide some "challenge" to ussr cas (yes, I know they still getting outplayed by ocelot's and tank rooftop machine guns on their kh38 carriers but we are talking about an actual pilots)
I think we need AI SPAA that fire at incoming munitions and any aircraft that get too close. These should spawn with the rest of the players and hang back from the objectives but not sit at spawn.
we need better cas balancing at top tier, this and the f15e makes the pantsir useless, but fighting pantsirs in a tornado gr1 is almost impossible. also the tornado gr4 will have basicly the same matchmaker as the eurofighter in grb, but its slower, has less ordnance, way less nimble and only has 2 fox2s instead of the eurofighters 2 fox2s and 4 fox3s
Gonna need Patriot and S-400 soon
Another CAS W. Also how good JF17 is as cas?
How are u playing ground rb? When i try it with a top tier tank and the typhoon wt says me i cant use the fgr4
This was a custom match, I had my friend help me out by playing the pantsir
another dub from watty Kai_TG himself
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Germany is SO back
So gaijin how is my 9.3 machbet meant to counter this problem?
I'm glad Germany is getting something OP xDD
2:06 , so SU-34 and a lot of russian air , can have the Air to Ground missles such as KH-38 that can kill 6 tanks right after it spawns but Germany and other Nations cant have Fire & Forget Brimstones ? Well balanced
I mean a f15e can also do that and is a better platform
@@TallyPatka-dz2cz well yeah but it goes against adats, not s1
Oh I didn’t know that the brimstone had INSS guidance I thought it was just laser making them pretty shit but never mind
While very powerful, this tactic requires a lot of skill and luck to use especially if you don't have someone to mark SPAAs for you. Most people will juat fly in a straight line and guide one Brimstone at a time.
Welly guess ima now start grinding for it.
theyd really rather add 18 brimstones to a plane than ground radar or longbow hellfires
Cool... let's all just play RU and GER from now on
Russia have the best air tech tree, they have Pantsir
It would be good if they gave the brimstones some sort of F&F capability akin to that of the AGM65 or KH38, gaijin has modelled weapons ahistorically before and I don't understand why they won't do with the Brimstones, they can even limit the amount you can take if they were worried about balance.
gaijin does NOT like ground realistic
The Italian Chadfighter should lose the Brimstone, because only Britain operates them and German got their first batch.
this is not op at all
With this strat if you are up against the urss you finally have a way to survive more than 5 seconds if a pantsir is up but i can't imagine how painful this will be for nations that don't have the pantsir that can make the entire map a no fly zone.
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I want the euro fighter so badly but I main ground😭
already Pantsir is really easy to avoid tho
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holy im using this tactic to bully em cuhh!!!🙏🏽🗣🗣
finally a way to reliably beat the pantsir
Bro you could breath and kill a pantsir
@ you know nothing
@@Apex_warthunder as someone who actively goes out of their way to shit on pantsirs yes i think i do.
I would still rather have fire n forget mode with less ordnance. Like every other nation CAS.
Yeah, i partly agree, having 6 fire and forget brimstones would be cooler for getting killstreaks in 1 strafe but i also really like the SAL brimstones as they are unique and fun to use
@@Kai_TG I'm worry about how vulnerable you are flying around the battlefield these days with all the fox 3 missiles around. A su34 with it's OP radar can spawn and launch a R77 at you instantly while you are trying to time the Brimstone arrival on target. It's just not efficient compared com what others can do spamming their fire n forget missiles and retreating to base or going dedicated air defense.
@@apoleonschneiderthe FM is still WiP but the Typhoon is much better at reacting to launches than the Tornado is, the combination of RWR and MAWS should make it easier for you to notch/multipath an R-77 and then turn back in for the terminal lase. Plus with that many Brimstones “wasting” a couple isn’t a huge deal.
It’s also worth noting that the Typhoon radar on dev is basically placeholder, so it’s likely it’ll be just as capable as the Su-34, and you can run 4 AMRAAM and 6 AIM-9M with 12 Brimstone so (again unlike the Tornado) you can compete against other planes.
This will only work against AA that has already spawned in, if they catch you without missiles out this wont work. Seems very situational and really is not that effective for normal gameplay.
I disagree, you can always stay low and use your RWR and tgp to figure out if there is an AA and which spawn he is on, and even if you peek up after firing your brimstones to start lazing, you're already out at 10km+ so they have no time to shoot you down
Muchísimas gracias por el truco
yes this is blatant bullshit. Russia with the best anti air in the fucking game and the best cas planes combined with germany (because in top tier you mostly only see germany and russia playing together anyways) getting the eurofighter with 18 FUCKING BRIMSTONES??!!
Like dude i want to play GROUND REALISTIC BATTLES. At this point this shit isnt about ground anymore. if youre driving with a tank youre basically just free rp and sl for the german and russian teams.
i mean theres NO WAY of interception the brimstone missiles. This is absolute madness
Fly CAP?
I think somewhere he said he wanted to play ground@@SilverCobraWT
Cause we sure need more braindead CAS.
at least it takes infinitely more brain power than spamming fire and forget kh38s well outside of non russian AA
skill issue.. i do wel with adats imagine when i unlock pantsir ;) Free xp
rafael bomb is better, longer range, faster
I mean, that works, until the pantsir player has a form of neuron activation and shoots the plane instead of the missiles. They won’t track without the plane
Did you not watch the video? The missile does not travel at the speed of light, it has to first reach the plane. It can not reach the plane if the plane only pops up for a few seconds to do terminal guidance before going back down to earth. He explained is.
Buff s1 u.u😢
seems fair
How are controller players supposed to play jets 😂 i don’t have enough buttons to even turn with my flaps. let alone enable and disable missiles and make them lock on to stuff
First off, AFAIK the newest SAM systems can now track projectiles so a good SAM player (i know, that's an oxymoron) should have a decent chance of defending themselves. Also, if they have a laser warning receiver and smoke then they have a second layer of defence.
Finally, none of this would be an issue if Gaijin finally pulled their collective fingers out and added area and point defence jammers to the game. If the war in Ukraine has shown us anything it is that the actual hit and kill rates of all these new wonder weapons is WAY less than advertised, that is almost certainly due to having to work in a high ECM environment.
jammers of what, laser beams or inertial navigational systems?
@@Nomad-he1vm lol yeah
So all AA means are useless !
OR you can just fly at M1.3 at low alts and USE your GUNS with ballistic calculator, and also don't fly like a brick towards the rockets!
WT community, Stop yapping about AAA at top tiers, they are easy to kill anyway.
For myself, i don't have Pantsir, looks poitless for me. Giant cartboard box with pew pew. 2C6 have a great rockets which can turn and gets ppl in like 80% times (there are one cons: you need to think about how you tracking the planes. Dont just lock and shoot.)
I'm just tired of constant yapping about nothing from "wannabe cas" players. We have bigger problems in this game about visibility, plane's warning systems (why we can see where we are locking from above or below in fpv, but we don't have that feature on UI?), and the most frustrating turning the seeker off by himself and on F16AJ, AJ35 sometimes TV seeker just don't work on A-G missiles
CAS is strong but you can literally spawn a plane with a2a for 200 SP less and delete the CAS. If you have a monkey brain yea it’d seem “OP”.
Now, gaijin should improve ground battles but we all know that won’t happen.
It won't happen as long as customers keep paying ;)
I mean why should i need to spawn in another aircraft in ground battles. Why can i have a actually capable sam system? So i can counter cas effectively in ground battles?