Know Qing dynasty history through the TV drama: Did the emperor Qianlong love his step empress?

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  • @szepink4650
    @szepink4650 2 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    The similarities I noticed from both dramas is that the step empress truly loved the emperor, and Consort Ling was a schemer (either in a good or bad way). Also, when she cut her hair, the emperor could have ordered to have her clan executed but he just erased her information which indicates that he, at one point, deeply loved her.

  • @yeyandie
    @yeyandie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Qianlong tried so hard to erase her AND make her jealous by writing so many poems for empress Fuca. I think that Ruyi’s Royal Love is the closest to the truth depiction of their relationship.

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      👍🥰

    • @avolution1660
      @avolution1660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      This is why they banned the drama. Because Ruyi's royal love was pure fiction and people actually believed it.

    • @anitat9727
      @anitat9727 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      ​@@avolution1660 Eh. It was fiction. But I honestly think it's reasonable to think that he was butthurt.

    • @BeveC21E
      @BeveC21E ปีที่แล้ว +6

      In theory, a 'scorned man', feels hurt as deeply as a 'scorned woman'! Because of love or deep affection, he kept the reason to himself! An emperor who was very huberistic! The light dawns! 😮

    • @Winter74575
      @Winter74575 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think he wrote the love poems for Empress because he genuinely loved her and wanted to write them and not because he tried to make Ruyi jealous, he had the right to express his true feelings too, it’s sad on her part but what about him being honest about his feelings, his last poem to empress Fuca was months before he died which was in his 80’s so clearly his poems for his beloved had nothing to do with step empress, she must’ve known that Qianlong truly loved his Fuca, seems she wanted to control how his heart emotions should function if you ask me.

  • @vishnukanagalingam1991
    @vishnukanagalingam1991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I think the downfall of the Step Empress is one of the biggest mysteries in world history because of the lack of facts we have. Thank you for this video.

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You are welcome 😄

    • @ynyn2875
      @ynyn2875 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I really hope something would be uncovered some day! I,d def wait to see that day come.

  • @kasvinimuniandy4178
    @kasvinimuniandy4178 2 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    The biggest irony of all is that the step empress that was deleted from history got a big budget TV show dedicated to her. Ruyi's Royal Love was so well made with such detailed costumes and sets. And in a way... helps us, common folk, make sense of what could have happened.
    A few things are true based on historical documentation:
    1) Step Empress got a special Imperial Noble Consort post and prestigious announcement.
    2) Qianlong visited his ancestors' tombs to announce her as his new wife.
    3) Qianlong went to the full extent of deleting her from history. That's a hurt man. Something definitely went terribly wrong. Problems have arisen in the past too but emperors didn't wipe someone from history.
    4) Yongqi (Di Zi) lived long but died with Beile rank, which was very low for a legitimate son.
    Ruyi's ending makes whatever happened more palatable (minus the excessive crimes attributed to Consort Ling). At least... if we think Step Empress really wanted out from the politics... she got what she wanted. And her son lived long without great political success but also without the fatal threats that came with it.

    • @celestephelps5897
      @celestephelps5897 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Now I thought that yonqi was promoted to Prince Rong of the first rank before he died.

    • @alexandracruz5243
      @alexandracruz5243 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@celestephelps5897she meant Yonqi the 12th Prince, son of the step empress. Prince Rong was the 5th Prince, son of Consort Yu.

  • @cats4468
    @cats4468 2 ปีที่แล้ว +185

    I think qianlong did love her, not because it makes for a good drama, but because after she cut her hair, he did everything he could to get rid of any evidence of her existence. With the amount of hatred he had for her, proved his love for her, because the opppsite of love is not hate, it is indifference, if he did not love her, why go through all that trouble to burn all of her pictures, why hate her at all? He seemed to cared way too much to not love her.
    So yeah, it is obvious from his hatred that he did loved her. And he must have loved her passionately because his hatred for her was also quite passionate.

    • @Camaron8928
      @Camaron8928 2 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      Yeah people do this in modern time too. They delete their ex’s photos and block on social media. So basically empress nara dumped qianlong and i’m convinced that he had a real bad post-break up depression. He even promoted consort ling to the imperial noble consort which is the same way some guys get into a relationship with a new girl to forget his ex.

    • @cats4468
      @cats4468 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@Camaron8928 so accurate.

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      👍🥰

    • @merveillem001
      @merveillem001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Agree ! We've seen through chinese history how historians didn't hide any bad behaviour of concubines, empresses dowager or any other person in the royal palace. When they were cruel, virtuous, naive, they portrayed them as such, even wu zetian who committed the biggest sin ( becoming an empress regnant and sitting on the dragon throne) was respected after her death, buried in a proper way, and they recorded what she did bad or good. However, Qianlong put all his efforts to erase empress Nara's existence without any proper explanation.
      He didn't officially demote her I don't think it is because of the empress dowager, or the ministers or to save his face. There must be some personal things that went on, and Qianlong couldn't forgive empress nara. Even the cutting hair is still a speculation since nobody really know what happened, either Qianlong was deeply in love with her and was hurt by her, or he simply didn't love her and wanted to get rid of her as soon as possible, but again that was not as quick as it should have been. So, only he, the empress and the imperial relatives knew what was the real problem and the secret was buried with them leaving us in wild speculations.

    • @ms.chuisin7727
      @ms.chuisin7727 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Agreed

  • @margaritaq7242
    @margaritaq7242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    She’s definitely loved by the Emperor. She was once the youngest Consort, Noble Consort and Imperial Noble Consort in his harem, every promotion of her happened right after the former title holder’s death, even though she had no children at that time. When Empress Fuca died, he decided the next empress in a month, but after Empress Nara cut her hair, he never had a third empress and his tomb had a blank space ever since.

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Actually, sooner than one month.😅. But, when we talk about she was the youngest consort etc, we also need to consider her age. Because she was the youngest concubine of the Prince Bao, if we only talk about the age, in my opinion, it’s little unfair for other consorts. 😀

    • @margaritaq7242
      @margaritaq7242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@ancientchinesehistorychannel
      that’s true. But Qianlong could have kept her waiting for ages like Consort Yu, Consort Shu or Concubine Wan. Consort Yu was also married to him when he was a prince, and gave birth to his most talented son Yongqi, but she only got Noble Consort title after she’s dead.

    • @merveillem001
      @merveillem001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Plus I didn't know it was possible to promote a childless concubine to empress, I don't think the ministers or the empress dowager would agree with that just because she was kind. The emperor must have loved her very much to promote her, and if I remember well her family wasn't as powerful as the fuca family of the previous empress.

    • @margaritaq7242
      @margaritaq7242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@merveillem001 you’re right. She was the first ever empress that came from lower five banners in Qing history, also her father had no title, his official post was one of the lowest among all fathers of Qing dynasty empresses that were coronated by their husbands. Qianlong was the most dictatorial emperor in Chinese history, he wouldn’t allow anyone else to intervene his personal life.

    • @kristelpark5121
      @kristelpark5121 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Maybe she promoted her to Step Empress even though her family isn't that powerful so that they can fully manipulate her unlike Empress Fuca who has her family as a support. So that the empress can be filial to the Empress Dowager.

  • @Ashley-vs8nu
    @Ashley-vs8nu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I've never felt so sorry for someone I've never met and from so long ago. Something happened for the step empress to cut her hair and for that she's a bold one.
    It didnt hurt that Zhou Xun played her role to perfection.That aside, I guess finally after centuries, she's getting better treatment.

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      In my opinion, the step empress was the first empress who divorced with the emperor. I like her because she was so brave.😀

  • @emilygorter2589
    @emilygorter2589 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I mean. The only reason we even know what she looks like now, is because someone (either by accident or on purpose) shoved a portrait of her in Shujias stuff.
    So maybe she and the Korean consort had a better relationship than the dramas let on if that is the case?

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I will make a video about consort Jia. You will see her in the real history.

    • @emilygorter2589
      @emilygorter2589 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@ancientchinesehistorychannel it would make sense though, I mean, why else would there be an unknown unexplained portrait there? Unless the people around them knew the truth?

    • @vivianjin8967
      @vivianjin8967 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Dramas exaggerate a lot of stuff to make the stories more exciting. The title of Shujia describes the person as a gentle and kind woman, and in history she couldn't have been promoted to noble consort if she was as mean as in the dramas. Technically Shujia herself didn't come from Korea to Qing, her ancestors came from the Korean peninsula and worked for the Qing emperors, at the time of Qianlong her family was classified as subjects of Qing instead of foreign

    • @emilygorter2589
      @emilygorter2589 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@vivianjin8967 she came from North Korea. Or at least the Northern most part at the boarder of what was then Joseon and the Qing Boarder. Her family name was Kim. No specifics on what clan of Kim (ie Andong Kim) Her clan was "manchufied" when she was promoted to Consort. I figure that while a lot of the drama was embellished. Her rank and titles would have held consideration to Joseon at the time too. Just like with the Mongolians in the Harem too.

    • @vivianjin8967
      @vivianjin8967 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@emilygorter2589 I agree that the titles are from considerations of a consort’s family, but in history the connections between the imperial government and the harem was not as close as dramas presented it. Nearly all emperors from Ming and Qing were scared of consorts plotting with their families to usurp power, also the sad truth in history was that women weren’t that important😢

  • @UlaNaraRuyi07
    @UlaNaraRuyi07 2 ปีที่แล้ว +176

    For me, Qianlong deeply loves the Step Empress before she cut her hair. For according to the history, Empress Nara was the last concubine to enter the manor of Emperor Qianlong (who was Prince Hongli then). And after the enthronement of Qianlong, he already gave Empress Nara the consort title (with Imperial Noble Consort Zhemin who was first posthumously named Consort Zhe after she died). So, I believe that Qianlong once deeply loved the Empress Nara.

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Agree with you 🥰😀

    • @lakaperse6995
      @lakaperse6995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I always thought he did not love her because it was Fuca who was his true love . Moreover, the Step empress only has children with Qianlong after her enthronement.

    • @margaretlemon7175
      @margaretlemon7175 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He love her until Wei/Ling came into the picture.
      He gave her a title which can only be given if the empress is dead but the empress was very much alive. It was like cursing her in front of his minster and public. Publicity humiliating her.
      Following that event she went out on an excursion with him but she must have had enough to cut her hair because he been doing things to had her give up the empress title by not making himself look bad because he value pride and wants face and Empress Nara was consider virtue in the eye of the public.
      He didn't want the public to view that it was his or Ling/Wei fault for have her remove her title.
      🤔He cursed her first than when she had enough and return him the flavour knowing it's a trap to remove her from being an Empress.

    • @myrtlesnow2397
      @myrtlesnow2397 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Just because he gave her the title of Consort does not mean he loved her. Imperial Noble Consort Huixian was given a higher title than the Empress received upon the ascension to the throne, and she originally started off with a lower status. The Step Empress didn't have any children until after she became the Empress some 20 years after being married, so realistically they most likely did not sleep with each other frequently enough to produce children (the emperor was constantly producing children, so he obviously was sleeping with other consorts and not her). Seeing as she was fertile and produced 3 children almost consecutively, it seems like there is more evidence to suggest he did not love her enough to lie with her, but they probably had a marriage of mutual respect towards each other until she cut her hair.

    • @geolinotag9502
      @geolinotag9502 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nope its the first empress he truely love ,,, ruyi was only appointed by the dowager. Shes not even buried beside wianlong she is a disgrace ro the empire

  • @kyriacarica5862
    @kyriacarica5862 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    I feel like Qianlong really loved her which is why he was so furious and hurt when she cut her hair. I think he was heartbroken about it but since he’s emperor, showing him to be hurt and emotional over something like this would make him seem weak. So he used anger and resentment to manifest his hurt, hence the removing of all traces of Empress Nara in the palace. The space for her in his tomb kind of seals the deal for me. Even after what happened between them, he didn’t allow any other concubine or consort to be buried in that space. I think it was really for Empress Ulanara/Hoifanara
    Also, imagine bringing your wife to your grandfather and father’s tomb to proclaim “this is my new wife”. He didn’t do that for Empress Fuca. It tells me he really wanted Step Empress Nara to be a part of the imperial family.

  • @redfish3590
    @redfish3590 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The fact that he left her sons alive and also no demolition over her people tells alot that he still respect her status. The problem with her cutting her hair probably so personal to both of them. I respect the emperor so much for that, whether there's love or not between them.

    • @Winter74575
      @Winter74575 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha he hated her sons and he took away all titles from her family clan.

  • @CordsZ
    @CordsZ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I’ve been told that the Step Empress cut her hair because she was deeply offended by how much attention and power Qianlong had given to Noble Consort Ling. Ling was of Han descent and was considered much lower status than the Step Empress, who was Manchu.

  • @harrietlyall1991
    @harrietlyall1991 2 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    Certainly, “Ruyi’s Royal Love” is very, very convincing. I’ve now watched it many times, I LOVE the story and characters so much, although the tragedy, the cruelty and injustice break my heart. I strongly identify with Ruyi, all her troubles and sorrows,I know this is how life is, and how people truly behave. If we look at the history of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn, we can see a similar pattern of behaviour: Henry was passionately in love with Anne, we know this from his surviving letters to her, he even defied the Pope and his own powerful nobility because of her, we know for certain this is true, because the historical documents still survive today, yet, three years after Henry married Anne and promoted her to Queen, he had her accused of adultery (just like Qianlong accuses Ruyi) and had her killed. Even Qianlong didn’t go so far! Another parallel with Qianlong is that Henry destroyed all, or most. images of Anne and had her name and noble emblems removed from the walls of the palace.

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Yes. Qianlong did the same thing. Qianlong destroyed most documents about the step empress and her paintings. The picture used in my video actually wasn’t 100% sure is the step empress. I loved Anne’s story. I know her through her daughter Elizabeth. By the way, if you like the actor of Ruyi, I highly recommend you watch her TV drama Da Ming Gong Ci: th-cam.com/video/yEjxNT2EjSA/w-d-xo.html 😀🥰

    • @asmrhawaii
      @asmrhawaii 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Do you miss Ruyi like me? I have watched the series about five times now and I always see more layers of the story!

    • @mgold7503
      @mgold7503 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yes, I saw many parallels with Qinlong and Henry VIII.

    • @mariaestherolveraponce2352
      @mariaestherolveraponce2352 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@asmrhawaiiSi fue el primer cdrama que vi..
      Ya no la he visto actuar en otro drama..
      Saludos..👋

    • @avolution1660
      @avolution1660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dang, why'd you put your business out on front street🥴
      We're not living in the dark ages, you can get a divorce now. I hope I never relate to ruyi.

  • @snigdhakhadka5867
    @snigdhakhadka5867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    To be honest, I hope they didn't love each other deeply. Step Empress Nara was said to have gained favor when she was in the prince's manor. I hope they only had mutual respect and some admiration for each other. She was from a prominent Manchu family, she knew the consequences of cutting her hair. The fact that she still did it tells us that there might have been a huge rift between them. It would be sad if they actually loved each other and fell apart on such a bitter note.

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Be honestly, even now, I see so many couples, when they decide to divorce, they just lost their mind and fight for every penny.😭

  • @andycabaybay5369
    @andycabaybay5369 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I was deeply hooked as well with Ruyi’s Royal Love in the Palace. I want to know more about the history of the Chinese Imperial Harem and more. ❤️

  • @kimmynguyen8910
    @kimmynguyen8910 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think Nara empress’s heart did belong to someone else. One of her guards was executed by the emperor because he had her necklace. This details is written in the Korean’ history at the time when she cut her hair.

  • @_WeAtH_wEaTh_
    @_WeAtH_wEaTh_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    50-50 for me, since its not stated in the history that the emperor loved empress ula-nara/hoifa-nara, its a matter of debate tho, since the j'rk erased her from history we have no full evidence, but still, I have high hopes that emperor Qianlong loves Step-empress

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Good point. Thank you.

    • @merveillem001
      @merveillem001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The j*rk 😂😂

    • @avolution1660
      @avolution1660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you, somebody whose more curious than just wishing the novel was reality.
      We really don't know but we do know who the emperor wrote about loving. He had a lot to say about Fuca and Wei, he even made her son the next emperor even though I don't think he was his most empressive son.
      It doesn't matter who he did or didn't love though, he may not have been a good husband anyway so having or not having his love doesn't lessen the value of the women who served him.

  • @TreasureBabyMonster00
    @TreasureBabyMonster00 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I think Emperor Qianlong not really fond of the step empress , they didn’t had children before she become empress
    He already not fond of her , seemingly forced to make her the empress (wheter by court or the empress dowager because empress nara deemd the most suitable) and she cut her hair (which is amazing for me that she dare to do something most women at that time didn’t dare to moreover to the emperor himself)
    Emperor Qianlong must be really angry
    Edit : but Ruyi Royal Love is also make sense , Empress Nara cut her hair (Manchu mourning, she deemed the emperor dead, kinda divorced him, didn’t want anything to do with him, she had enough), he respect her choice, thats why he remove all of her trace (as the emperor consort, as his wife)

  • @jananisimbu6482
    @jananisimbu6482 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ruyi's royal love story is convincing ......I love to watch it but yanaxi palace story is only focus on step empress character like a present movie concept,it's not possible that lower servant could know the culture palace and all the way she only smart,the king only love her,simply imitating present love story movie....but ruyi's royal story fully convincing 👌

  • @G.SCmaria
    @G.SCmaria ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The title of "Imperial Noble Consort" was NOT created for her. There are plenty of examples of Imperial Noble Consorts before Lady Nara.

  • @HELLinaaaa
    @HELLinaaaa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Can people not be infertile back in the day? Geez these comments are all assuming he did not love her based on heirs. It was still possible they had fertility issues as none of us know how often she accompanied him in bed service.
    Also, I do think Qianlong’s poems for Empress Xiaoxian was to continue support from her clan, which was powerful and well off.
    I do think he did wanted empress Nara to be well integrated in the royal family, but I also think he went to the tomb with Step empress to show filial piety. She was not in Qianlongs original manor, so in my opinion he wanted to show Yongcheng that he was taking care of her despite his passing on.
    The lovers that are scorned have a burning desire that never goes out. whether Consort Ling was truly favored or not, I think his lasting actions towards step empress speak volumes.
    It’s also…Kind of ironic that once she died he frequented more with prostitutes and drank far more as well. While acknowledging Ruyi’s Royal Love was a drama, historical evidence shows that Qianlong acted much more brazenly once she was gone. I do think Ruyi was accurate on their last boat expedition together versus Yanxi.

  • @avolution1660
    @avolution1660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Okay, I thought this was going to be based on historical facts and not opinions based on the dramas depending on which one you liked more.
    I don't think he felt one way or the other and only had children with her after she became empress which says a lot.
    He loved the Fuca empress and Wei empress according to historical words from the actual emperor.
    So for those of you who love the drama Ruyi's royal dysfunctional marriage based on a novel, history doesn't support it.
    Both dramas are banned for this very reason.

  • @juliaalexander5788
    @juliaalexander5788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I wonder if Qianlong's successor also did not erase things or change the written history to reflect badly on Ruyi? Especially in favor of his own birth mother

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Good point 😀

    • @avolution1660
      @avolution1660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sure🥴... IT WAS A NOVEL🙄. This is why they banned this drama because people decided on their own that Ruyi's royal love was the truth and actual history was false.
      Reading these comments I understand why.
      You ever wonder why the emperor made her son the next emperor in the first place when he had plenty of options. Don't let your love for a drama rob you if common sense.

    • @juliaalexander5788
      @juliaalexander5788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@avolution1660, so no one that inherited the throne lied or changed things so that history will look favorably on their actions or decisions? I think it's more common sense to take all of it with a grain of salt.

    • @smalldicksnotthatexciting
      @smalldicksnotthatexciting 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@avolution1660 Uh, It's literally obvious you hate the drama. Dzuh.

    • @alventzdruce1035
      @alventzdruce1035 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@smalldicksnotthatexciting i realise he/she pop up in every comment and say the same thing over & over again...😅😂

  • @liezltan1887
    @liezltan1887 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He did love her, remember they are childhood sweethearts, but becausr the step empress doesn't like titles she just want love and i think that is the reason she was erased from it to be free
    Simple to understand if the emperor really burned all about step empress it means he got hurt by her deeply, you will not do that if you don't love that person

    • @mushroommagic1697
      @mushroommagic1697 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Historically they were not childhood sweethearts, she was 7 years younger than him. When he got married he was 17. Women married young back then, but 10 is too much, even for those times.
      Historical records show that Empress Xiaoxian was his actual love, and also his writings speak it clearly.

  • @alisoncourtney8320
    @alisoncourtney8320 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I watched it absolutely amazing

  • @artsy3d152
    @artsy3d152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this video. i've watched both productions and cannot pick a favorite.

  • @mikilaniyoung7730
    @mikilaniyoung7730 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Definitely you can feel the love they both carried for one another. But Qianlong being the Emperor and not a servant forgot about his deep love for her at some point. He got wrapped up in too many things. So I agree there are so many things that had happened that pointed him to still loving her. Also for me him destroying everything was love. Cause traditional she would have also been buried with him so that they can come back together in another life. But he saw all the signs after that Ruyi did not want to be in the palace again for herself and her ancestors. It isn't easy being in any part involved with the palace whether eunuch , lady in waiting, concubine, noble consort or even empress. So he gave her an opportunity to have a different kind of life when she returns. Where she can be loved and love with out the heavy duty drama of the palace. From poisoning, gossiping, treating one another with so much hate. So the emperor loved her enough to let her go so she can be happy.

  • @MandaLynn8
    @MandaLynn8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I think he loved her. But to have that much power has to produce extremely imbalanced ego. Think about it, they were just women. He had plenty of them. A dime a dozen. I wanted to slap him so many times for Ruyi

  • @littlebunny4850
    @littlebunny4850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Heyo. Hope u guys can understand my bad english.
    Here's my humble thought.
    1. No one really knows the reason why she cut her hair, even though that's like a grave action, but one won't simply take the action without preparing the consequences she will need to faced. Yet she did that its kinda like she really didn't care anymore or maybe she bottled up to much emotion or anger towards that guy aka the Emperor.
    2. If u think u are innocent n said that she's insane or did a grave action, why need to dispose or eliminate most of the things related to her? I mean come on, if I'm innocent i won't bother for such things to the point of destroying records of her. LoL what a kid.
    Here's my assumption, that guy made a mistake, n she knew n can't tolerate anymore so she cut her hair. In order to keep his reputation as an Emperor, he disposed the records n anything related to her. LoL (I'm a king I never make a mistake vibes)
    Hahaha kbye. Who want to marry a guy with so many women. Who's is a loyal n who's disloyal?? No one knows wkwkwkwk

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😀

    • @kristelpark5121
      @kristelpark5121 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      As an emperor loyalty is not an issue. It's politics. He should have a lot of concubines to bear him lots of children. It's just politics hun.

    • @littlebunny4850
      @littlebunny4850 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kristelpark5121 isn't funny, coz ur hold the title of the Emperor, then u must have lots of concubines.
      But then only one child (usually male n from legitimate wife) will be the new Emperor. I found it disgusting, coz aren't u guys so stupid, isn't bcoz of this thing, the war among concubines happened? Coz they want to fight for the throne? Killing each others for their benefits? Coz they themselves set this kind of hierarchy n parameters.
      Politics even are needed, yet sometimes destroyed humans

    • @avolution1660
      @avolution1660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You do know ruyi's royal love was based on a novel right?

  • @chuckbass3934
    @chuckbass3934 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great review, especially for someone who don’t know Mandarin like me.

  • @alienabuser3693
    @alienabuser3693 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I cant remember the name of this particular show about the ming dynasty but its definitely the best one EVER!

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am wondering whether I saw this interesting show.🤔😀

    • @alienabuser3693
      @alienabuser3693 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I remember it now I'm actually rewatching it its called yanxi palace❤

  • @sakurakou2009
    @sakurakou2009 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I believe he did like her but something happen between them that made him mistreat her and she end up cutjng her hair

  • @mooncake4371
    @mooncake4371 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think Qianlong truly loved her at one point. He must have done something or maybe it was years of bad treatment of her that she went as far ad cutting her hair. Like a f*ck you at the time, and to the Emperor no less! Like many others have said, he must have loved her to have erased her. Someone said in the comments, the opposite of love is not hate; it’s indifference. And I completely agree.

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      👍😀

    • @BeveC21E
      @BeveC21E ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly! He was 'scorned', deeply, to have gone through trying to erase her and etc! I'm seeing smoke on that issue, too! 😊

  • @Nalon1984
    @Nalon1984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A King can never live a normal Life.
    I agree with you that Qianlong love Ruyi very. Because of thier Childhood like in Royale Love in the Palace or another way.
    Without another doctuments we can only surmise what happen realy.
    But it must be very hard for Qianlong, so he couldn´t spech about it. (Because deep in his heart he was love in her*whisper*)
    Royale Love in the Palace show realy good the way of both. With the Time after Nara became his Empress was the Title between them.

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes. it’s impossible have a normal life in the royal family. In future, I will make videos happen in other dynasty and you will know more.😀

    • @Nalon1984
      @Nalon1984 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ancientchinesehistorychannel Thanks you for your hard work;)

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You are so welcome. I am so glad you like Chinese history.

  • @buddhidev7877
    @buddhidev7877 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I think Qianlong wasn't love her that much. Step Empress was the second Second Consort married to him (maybe because of his parents due to her clan and her origin as the Manchu) yet she didn't bear him any children.
    Furthermore when he enthroned she was just Xianfei while promoted his concubine Lady Gao who was the first Second Wife and a Han Chinese to be Guifei surpassing her.
    So when both Empress Fuca and Gao/ Huixian Guifei died, Xianfei was the only choice for the phoenix throne because her clan could help him and Chunfei was also the Han Chinese which couldn't govern the inner court by the rule.
    Later when she was an Empress, she bore children for him. So from my point of view, he didn't love her that much hence when she was "insane", cutting her hair, he demoted her.

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Qianlong treated the step empress’ surviving son really bad. This is also a reason why some people believed Qianlong didn’t love the step empress.

    • @elevennickle3631
      @elevennickle3631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I agree with this. I believe he didn’t love her

    • @kayland.5724
      @kayland.5724 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Hui had a super powerful backing. Xian's clan was on the decline but she was still Manchu. Qianlong could've promoted Chun's clan and added the "giya" to Manchufy it

    • @cats4468
      @cats4468 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Gao was promoted higher than Xian because her family was very powerful, Xian's family may be manchurian, but it wasn't as powerful as Gao's.

    • @buddhidev7877
      @buddhidev7877 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@cats4468 actually it's not. Xian was from the Manchurian Nara clan which was a clan of the former Empress Xiaojingxian. Gao was a Han Chinese Booi Aha (bondservant) lady by birth and her father was a low rank minister who got promoted because of her death.
      From these facts, you can see how love Qianlong gave to both of them.

  • @justinmileman7863
    @justinmileman7863 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly, after everything I've studied, I believe the whole "Step-empress" thing was much more about political support than an actual relationship issue. Qianlong depended very heavily on the Fuca clan's support to stay in power, and that meant that even if she was dead, empress Fuca HAD to remain as "The "real" empress" while Qianlong was alive. Imperial Noble Consort Xian obviously understood this clearly, and I think that's why he chose/she accepted the whole very strange "step-empress to manage the harem but not actually the "real" empress" scenario.

  • @KagomeYasha023
    @KagomeYasha023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Did the man even have a heart to give love?

  • @fatimaani8346
    @fatimaani8346 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think Qianlongs obsession with the muslim concubine resulted in the end of his marriage with hofia-nara. He hurt her deeply and she also got angry at him and lashed out.

    • @malakzaiter2291
      @malakzaiter2291 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Not only that. I think their relationship was doomed from the start. Qianlong had a big ego and was entitled. If hoifa nara was really his true love then he wouldn't be still favoring ling or rong to that point. Also with men like him i assume, once the mistress becomes wife, a position will be empty and he will fill it. And hoifa nara was in a rough place when she became step empress. Her clan was powerless so her position was shaky at best. Empress xiaoxian had the backing of the fuca clan, so even if she wasnt favored qianlong still had to be respectful towards her.

    • @teddykurniawan2085
      @teddykurniawan2085 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wei yan wan maybe bad woman...

    • @G.SCmaria
      @G.SCmaria ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@teddykurniawan2085 "Wei Yanwan" didn't exist.

  • @dipanwitadasgupta5221
    @dipanwitadasgupta5221 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I got confused on 1 point - in another video made on this same channel Kunning Palace was said to be used for housing worshipping the gods ancestors so how come here Qianlong Emperor had to worship at Fengxian ?? Plz clarify thanks for videos. 👍

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because there were different level worships, just like the empress Xiaoxian worship the Silkworm Goddess, which was not held in Kunning Palace.If this wasn’t clear, just list me know.

    • @dipanwitadasgupta5221
      @dipanwitadasgupta5221 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ancientchinesehistorychannel I understand ur point of different levels of worship - there were ancestral halls at different places OR the tablets were transported to a specific place for specific occasions and later put back at the palace where they stayed all yr long. And thus different types of annual occasion like ancestor worship silkworm etc were done by different individuals reigning at the time. Right? May i request you to consider making a summarised video on both what festivals were followed in total in the Qing and other imperial dynasty calender? And where they were performed? It would be interesting and knowledgeable for us who are totally unfamiliar with these details. 🙏

  • @gbohol
    @gbohol 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please also do a video on Kangxi’s Consort Liang. Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @asmrhawaii
    @asmrhawaii 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You had Yanxi Palace and Ruyi’s Royal love in the Palace pictures all intermixed, so I couldn’t tell if they were the same emperor or a different emperor, just from different viewpoints. Are they two different time periods? I am confused!

    • @snigdhakhadka5867
      @snigdhakhadka5867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      They are from the same time period. Both the emperors are Qianlong Emperor and the dramas are from different point of views. Yanxi Palace narrates the story from Consort Lings point of view whereas Ruyi's Royal Love in palace narrates the story of Step-Empress Naras point of view.

    • @reneeraw6927
      @reneeraw6927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@snigdhakhadka5867 Oh, so is the main character in Yanxi Palace Consort Ling?

    • @snigdhakhadka5867
      @snigdhakhadka5867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@reneeraw6927 yes

    • @snigdhakhadka5867
      @snigdhakhadka5867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @BlackVenus I said the same thing as you did. Both of the stories are based on the same time period, focusing on same historical figures. The stories are different but they come from the same point, the life of the Step Empress and Imperial Noble Consort Ling. Both have dramatized certain aspects. And yes Ruyi Zhuan has a novel.

    • @asmrhawaii
      @asmrhawaii 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @BlackVenus I honestly thought they were two different time periods because there is nothing that likes them in my mind!

  • @hafizhafis474
    @hafizhafis474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Qianlong is the evil one in the drama

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Also true in the real history

    • @hafizhafis474
      @hafizhafis474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ancientchinesehistorychannel haha. I thought I am the only one having that kind of thought.

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Qianlong was a person, if you know what he did in real history, you hardly like him.😡

    • @cleverestworry7721
      @cleverestworry7721 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ancientchinesehistorychannel I dislike him.

    • @malakzaiter2291
      @malakzaiter2291 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ancientchinesehistorychannel do you have a video on him? I'd like to watch if it's no trouble.

  • @yunsoknang3668
    @yunsoknang3668 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In yanxi king action didn't love his step empress

  • @amartekajang
    @amartekajang 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree with you.

  • @vi6880
    @vi6880 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The statement that she was choosen by empress dowager a little bit confusing me.. Didn't the empress dowager and nara auntie was enemy? I mean they were fight for the highest position... They came from different family.. And fighting in the harem always happened in the history?

    • @ancientchinesehistorychannel
      @ancientchinesehistorychannel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In real history, the empress dowager and Nara’s auntie were not enemy.

    • @G.SCmaria
      @G.SCmaria ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ruyi's "auntie" was not actually Ruyi's auntie.
      The Yongzheng Emperor's only primary wife was Empress Xiaojingxian, who died four years before her husband and was definitely not related to Empress Nara.
      While we know for sure that Empress Xiaojingxian was born into the Ula-Nara clan and was part of the Plain Yellow Banner (one the top three upper banners), it's not known if Qianlong's second wife was from the Hoifa or Ula clan. Historians speculate that she was from Hoifa-Nara and her family change their surname to the illustrious Ula-Nara so they would seem more prestigious. What we know for sure is that she came from the Bordered Blue Banner (the lowest of the eight banners).

  • @user-zr3xn4rl5j
    @user-zr3xn4rl5j 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    確かに康煕、雍正、乾隆の3代の頃が清朝が最も栄えた、と聞き及んでいる。

  • @user-zr3xn4rl5j
    @user-zr3xn4rl5j 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Qianlongだから読みからいくと乾隆帝って事?!

  • @akanksha4455
    @akanksha4455 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't understand why the film makers don't make the film according to history....its very confusing as well as misleading

  • @cherriemay528
    @cherriemay528 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Worst kind to forget ur ex method 😂

  • @MsPoyee
    @MsPoyee ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If he didn’t luv the step Empress, he would not have made her the Step Empress, right ?

    • @G.SCmaria
      @G.SCmaria ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's not how it works. Most Emperors didn't love their legal/primary wives. They married them mostly for political reasons.

    • @dkf315
      @dkf315 ปีที่แล้ว

      @G. SCmaria the real love of an emperor either never had a chance to become Empress or dies early because of the emperor's subjects and other concubines schemes

  • @alzesmxqr9913
    @alzesmxqr9913 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    En español subtitulos

  • @colinsushiboy745
    @colinsushiboy745 ปีที่แล้ว

    The drama basically says the emperor imprisoned the step empress father and brother. So of course the step empress wanted a divorce and to tell the emperor to f off

  • @teddykurniawan2085
    @teddykurniawan2085 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wei ying lo..😡

  • @Blackgoldart1
    @Blackgoldart1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Ruyi's Royal Love 🥰 In The Palace was the first Chinese historical drama I watched, and after that I began to watch more of the historical dramas.
    I enjoy the historical aspects of the dramas, the COLORS used for the Women's clothing and interior colors of their homes, AND listening to Chinese language.
    I've even learned a basic knowledge of Chinese language and numbers by watching the dramas, and want to learn the language more. 😌☺️