Negative Legend had the best take on this. For Digimon, there's no definite way to get everyone interested in it because of how different every entry is. It would be best to start with something specific to their tastes. Card game, manga, anime, or video games, doesn't matter _where_ you start if you enjoy it.
Nah, Digimon just throws arrows in the dark every 5-10 years with a pseudo revival for a quick cash grab exploiting nostalgia. Digimon is 100% ass and needs to be left behind. It's a pattern 5 more like 10 yrs it always pops up with a supposed revival and new LIMITED releases. Digimon is a franchise joke.
I agree. This is hard to get into, but I feel the anime is the best entry point, and the best entry point of the games IS Cyber Sleuth. A lot more simplified than Dawn and Dusk. Honestly Jaiden skipping it just by first impressions makes me want to bang my head against the wall.
Do note she said 'it looks like a good game, but it won't make content' she just skipped it because she wanted something 'quirky' to make a video about, and... monkey's paw I guess
Tbf, she didn't skip it cause it looked bad or anything, she chose a different game cause CS seemed to be way too story-focused for a video/content. :P
I Think Dawn And Dusk Are WAY Better Than Cyber Sleuth!And Battle Spirit 1.5 And 2.0 DESTROY Any Mainline Pokemon Game,Even Scarlet And Violet!My World Records On These Games Hardest Difficulties(Extreme 1.5,Hard 2.0):1600 Impmon,1300 ExGuilmon,1100 Guilmon,1100 Gabumon,1000 Patamon,1000 Gatomon,1600 ExAgunimon,1000 ExLobomon,1000 Loweemon!I Dare You To Beat Those Scores Without Cheats!
I'd argue the CS games aren't a good entrypoint because of how slow paced they are, which would make the series a major turnoff for a lot of people. They might be simple games, but the amount of time spent in the game just going through dialogue is just absurd, even in a story-based game. I'm yet to put myself through Hacker's Memory because I'm dreading the amount of dialogue. Edit: typo
As someone who's been running through all the Digimon games over the course of the last year or so, I really gotta say that there isn't any objectively "good" Digimon games and yet they're all enjoyable in their own ways and are usually worth playing. It's actually fascinating. and a little frustrating because of situations like Jaiden's. I will say that as someone with deep Pokemon roots, venturing into Digimon has introduced me to one of the best communities I could ask for. Digimon fans rock lmao
@@Shoyro I agree with Karn's point in that the games are a bad entry point into the Digimon franchise as a whole but I think Cyber Sleuth is probably a good, easy entry into what Digimon is as a game series
@@Shoyro I know you dont ask my opinion lol. But in my point of view, digimon story cybersleuth (specially the hackers memory) and digimon world 2003 are the best 2 for a person who likes pokemon. The 2003 one is awesome, I love that game, but yeah, its got a lot of backtrackin, but its really a good good, and the cybersleuth is a way modern game, very enjoyable but it has a lot o text. As a Digimon world game, the "world next order" is the best digimon world game ( I know world 2003 is a world game but, its completely different. The 2003 one is more like a story cybersleuth. And if you are willing to play a novel game, the new game is awesome "digimon survive".
I feel like people ignore what the biggest problem with her pick was that she outright admits. She wanted a game that would make a good youtube video, a good simple playthrough. She admits Cyber Sleuth was the one every kept saying to play but she didn't think it was what she was looking for which I respect. Honestly she admits she walked away a bit of a digimon fan in her own words. But yeah I think its a pretty common belief that cyber sleuth is the best starting point.
Ya, other than the anime Cyber Sleuth is a pretty good intro to the universe because of how it explains everything. But otherwise if you didn’t start with the anime it’s a little hard to jump in somewhere even if you are just trying to go by IRL chronology/release dates.
Can you explain a bit more in depth why cyber sleuth is the best starting point? As some sort of a "virtual monster scholar" who consumed basically all digimon, pokemon, Monster rancher and whatnot products, i certainly dont understand this suggestion. Please help me.
@@CoNteMpTone its the easiest to play and get into and much more linear then dawn and dusk as well as having streamlined and explains most things perfectly
@@asuraofwrath sounds like it would be the best starting point for someone who has never played videogames before, if you want to give them a really mediocre first experience. But every regular gamer could easily handle any digimon world and cyber sleuth is one that conveys very little about the actual franchise.
The best way I usually describe how the digimon video games are made especially to a pokemon fan is this: Imagine all the pokemon games that have ever been created (Red/Blue/Gold/Silver/etc) and they never existed but the spin off series (snap, conquest, mystery dungeon, rangers, etc) are the only games that Pokemon has ever made. Each digimon game tries to innovate and try out different things such as different mechanics, genres, etc while pokemon mainly has the tried and true formula ever since 1996 and each new game is essentially a new season/upgrade/patch you want so its been consistent and they barely change the formula at all. In my honest opinion as much as Cyber Sleuth is usually a lot of peoples choice on a entry point for digimon I would rather suggest Survive instead since while the game doesn't call the monsters "digimon" it does explain a few key factors that is spread out on what makes Digimon unique especially for their evolution. Digimon partners are in other terms your spirit animal/stand/persona that they usually are a reflection of you and they evolve on how you treat them, how you view them; and at the same time on how you as a person are/interact with others/ and how you grow as a person.
Yeah I will say Survive really did get to the essence of why we love Digimon. Having partner Digimon with fun personalities. That evolve in response to character growth from their human partners. It is like an anime you can play. So honestly at first I wasnt sure but yeah maybe new fans should play Survive.
I think the thing to note about Pokemon is the consistency. The gameplay has been the same since Gen 1. The TCG has been the same since the game came out. The anime has been the same, even with the immortal Ash as the main protagonist. On the other hand, Digimon has been reinventing itself. Each anime is similar, but slightly different. There have been multiple Digimon TCGs that never really hit off until the 2020 stuff came out. The games have been all over the place from raising Digimon and letting them battle on their own, to RPG elements similar to the Digimon Story games, and now to the Visual Novel/TRPG that is Digimon Survive.
While I agree that Pokemon has stayed the same over all this time, You only have to look at Yu-Gi-Oh Master Duel to see that being different or complicated isn't the issue here. The issue is that the Digimon games don't have a core identity between them, Pokemon has a lot of variety in its side games, With series like Mystery Dungeon and Ranger redefining the core gameplay while keeping it relatively close to the main line, And games like Pokken Tournament, Pokemon Snap and Pokemon Unite being completely detached from everything the main line concerns itself with. There's a clear hierarchy of games with respect to how representative they are of the franchise as a whole (at the time they came out). Digimon Games are barely even sorted, The games in the World Series aren't even all considered part of the same category, It's confusing if you are a Digimon fan, Let alone if you know nothing of the franchise.
@@BramLastname Yes but you got to realize that digimon unlike pokemon did not start as a game then become a anime it was a anime that then made game that why their is no connection to game and anime because their both are trying to do different and it your just start as a pokemon fan it real easy to just not like the mainline game because if you just play one of the mainline games not including side game you basically played all of them because they alway stay the same with just one or two added features but i will admit the side games are good because they keep the system in a lot of ways like pokken and pokemon arceus and did is alway doing that with it game like digimon survival was a very story or novel game but in other games like digimon arena or digimon world it change genre making it feel like digimon want to make games for every gamer whether it for a story or for fun oh and if we are talking about anime digimon just has a better story for each one then pokemon and their a lot of reason why but my reason is that pokemon never change anything about the story of the anime or it mainline game other then the goal which is become the champ and try to capture the new special pokemon and it just get boring while digimon change almost everything with each game or anime but I will still say it they are both great just in different ways pokemon is great at making good games and digimon is great at telling a story and doing something new
Just the other day, Negative Legend made a video on how she got into Digimon this year. I love how many people have been talking about Digimon as of late.
I haven't seen anybody say it, but every Digimon game was called Digimon World in the West because of brand synergy. Digimon World DS was the first game in the Digimon Story series in Japan, but in the West, it was called Digimon World DS because every game in the series, up to that point, was still called Digimon World in Japan, and Bandai Namco thought "The Digimon World games have all been vastly different so far, it'll be easier to just keep the branding the same."
Well, Bandai makes many questionable decisions with their IPs that my friends who like BandaiNamco series like Digimon, Tales of, and Gundam all complain to each other about
Unfortunately this induced the opposite result. Turns out dividing you franchise into clearly definable chunks works better for branding than straight up lying to them and nurturing a culture of quality distrust.
@@huyphan7825 It became that way because Bandai can't decide what the original 3 worlds game was even about. It wouldn't be that way if redigitize was the actual 2nd world game while world 3 is the first story game.
From what I can tell, as someone who is somewhat familiar with but not necessarily "into" Digimon, the thing with Digimon is that, as Karn noted in his video, while Pokemon was a game that became a multimedia franchise, Digimon was an anime that became a multimedia franchise. It's kind of like if somebody wanted to get into Dragon Ball or Naruto; there _are_ games they can play, but they expect the player to already have at least _some_ familiarity to the series.
Digimon is more of a Tamagotchi turned multimedia franchise, so a big part of the issue I think is Bandai not being sure how to go about it. That's why there was so much experimentation early on. Pokemon had a somewhat easier time because the games' conventions were better suited to adapting to other formats. Its funny Jaiden compares Cyber Sleuth to Persona because the relationship between Digimon World and Digimon Story feels like that of Shin Megami Tensei and Persona. You've got the main series and then you have the spin-off series designed to appeal to a wider audience that also became a main series, with the added bonus the Final Fantasy design philosophy of self contained stories.
No se si me endiendes pero La franquicia incio como una contraparte masculina de los tamagochi el anime de adventure Salio despues y varios titulos para promocionarlo pero lo que hizo fue Arruinar la franquicia siendo un adactacion horrible Digimon No Es Adventure
@@ZombieBarioth That's technically correct (the best kind of correct), but if somebody says they want to "get into Digimon", having them raise a Combat Tamagotchi may actually be even less helpful than playing any of the games. By all accounts, the ideal way to introduce someone _completely_ new to Digimon really is the anime.
Pretty sure Habu mentioned both Story AND World being considered main series, with Survive possibly becoming a third one depending on its performance. Treating all their bigger projects on equal footing is nice but there are some people that are really vocal with what they think should be the main focus for Digimon games, and how that would be their favorite game :v Some go as far as to say that the other genres shouldn't be a thing.
Yeah survive was a one off thing most likely. Since they have World and Story games. But they can't pass up the chance to try something new as the franchise always had. So it's kinda like 3 main series. World, Story, and experimental games.
@@jamalhartley5863 We still don't have actual numbers for Survive, but it seemed to be doing well, so I'd say it has a pretty decent of coming back. Especially seeing how quick we got news of next 0rder port. They stated they weren't doing those because they had no money back in the Digimon Con.
I think that's a pretty good way of doing it. It's not like digimon has consistent lore throughout its different series (servers?), each one has a start and an end with it's own rules usually. Also the demographic varies. More teen oriented horror ones for survive, rpgs for story, and world for raising them. So you can pretty much jump into any that interest you and it'd be around the same as jumping into one of the animes that interest you
As a big Digimon fan here, I 100% agree that Digimon games are such a mix bag of gameplay, like you said so many different things going on with it. Heck they even have their own beat-em-ups, card videogames, racing, and that weird dungeon crawler they did with digimon world 4. I'll never forget playing as Agumon awkwardly carrying around an axe. But man, thinking back about Digimon world dawn/dusk- it really was something with its maze dungeons heheheh. And all the back tracking in world 3 whew, now that I think about it a lot of the older "classic" digimon games have a lot of back tracking lol. But of the "old school" games I'd say world 3 was a pretty solid game for its time, some real nice music with it too. And for better or worst, all considered, they're all charming in their own ways that's for sure! Of the officially translated games, I'd definitely say Cyber Sleuth would be the best to ease into to get a feel for it- and maybe then Next Order for that nice mix of good references to the og World with way more improved mechanics.✌
I once played that very game in a video game rental arcade and could not believe that Agumon was smiting its enemies with an axe. You have claws and fireballs 🤔
@@phantomthunderclap975 I know right? Such a strange choice for digimon that are perfectly suited to throwing down with their claws and abilities. 🤔Would've been cool if they actually used digimon that already had their own weapons tbh, but ah well heheh. Their odd choice made it pretty rememberable
I thoroughly enjoy how Digimon games are all different. That's part of the appeal. I don't see it as "where should I start?" so much as "oh my god, I can start ANYWHERE!" for new people and for veterans it allows for some variety and a feeling of a fresh experience rather than the tired formula that Pokémon has followed for nearly 30 years. I enjoy Cyber Sleuth as much as I enjoy Next Order as much as I enjoy Digimon Card Game. Just go with whatever style of game appeals to you most and go with it, is what I would suggest. It's good to have so many different games because there's more of a likelihood that there's at least one game in the franchise that would appeal to a monster-taming nerd, as opposed to a game series that does one thing on repeat because if you don't like that one game there's a good chance you won't like all the other games exactly like it with minor tweaks (yes, I know there are now several genres within the Pokémon games, but I'm mostly referring to the obvious bigger titles within the franchise and not side things like Trozei etc.).
As someone who did just recently enter Digimon games through Cyber Sleuth I can attest to how "beginner friendly" it is. I found it more akin to an RPG like Persona, and I absolutely loved the branching paths of evolution or even seeing all these path that somehow lead to the same end. My only major complaint is that Cyber Sleuth/Hacker's Memory can be super grind happy (but then again it's not as bad as some RPGs like a few of the old Final Fantasy titles). But I just generally started to understand how that game worked and honestly the support skills make for some fun team building as well.
The thing about which one is the Main Branch, World or Story, is that they are both a Main Branch. The current director of the videogame division ahs said taht he wantes to have 2 main branches, World and Story, so there is 2 main types of gameplay for differnt sectors of the fandom. He knows that the fandom is divided in it's tastes, so he simply embraced it XD.
I think the cyber sleuth is the best way to get into digimon. Yeah it’s story heavy but it’s not lore heavy so you don’t need to have played or know anything about digimon to just jump in and play this rpg. You can collect and use whatever you want because there are so many options and you continue to unlock more as you play. There really isn’t a grind unless you want to either
I would've just said Digimon story cyber sleuth for traditional turn based gameplay and Digimon world next order for the pet raising sim gameplay. Start with those and If you like them try the older titles.
@@Randommanontheinternet9641 obviously there's no PC version until it releases on February, but if you want to get technical PC can play World 1 and Re:digitize (the other V-pet styled games Next order is a sequel to) by emulation, but that's an obvious gray area.
I grew up playing both pokemon & digimon so i never saw digimon as a difficult to enter franchise, but for anyone who wants to enter digimon now, I genuinely see cyber sleuth as the easiest entry into the digimon games and that's because of how easy it was to play it. For the non-game part of the franchise just watch the anime, braveheart was all I needed to be hooked to the franchise.
You do make a lot of good points. Originally I got into Digimon thanks to the anime as the gateway but the games themselves have been experimental to very different from one another with a real Beginner's Entry point so to speak. Personally I love recommending Cyber Sleuth games as an entry point for those who like the JRPG aspect, and CAUTION the World series as Tamagotchi games for those who want the full Digimon experience. I really do agree that Digimon should establish a "Beginner game" for those who wish to expirience the fandom and make it clear what digimon are and how things work in the Digital Realm aspect and how Digimon came to be.
I personally would NOT want a main series of Digimon games!! I kind of love how Digimon is so willing to try new things and branch out into other genres. For me Pokemon has been feeling more stale and same-y lately, and I've been enjoying Digimon more lately because of that. I think the "ideal way" to get into Digimon is going to be different for everyone. Like traditional jrpgs? Try Cyber Sleuth. Fan of Fire Emblem? Try Survive. Like simulations? Try one of the (actual) World games.
There are two main series, Story for JRPGs and World for confusing unfair grindy bullshit- I mean open world pet raising simulator. Honestly if it was up to me we would have a "main" series for every game genre imaginable-
I think Jaiden made two mistakes…maybe 3? 1. Dismissing Cyber Sleuth. That’s the only game everyone likes. 2. I feel like she was under the false impression the games were way closer to Pokemon than they are. This isn’t Robopon. 3. Digimon doesn’t have a main games series the same way Pokemon does. (I guess the V-Pets are the main series). There are absolutely spin-off games, and titling wise I guess World is the main series, but even within that. The games vary from ‘V-Pets as a full video game” to “Mystery Dungeon’ to “Kind of Pokemon like” to “Tournament fighter RPG”. The difficulty in intro is because different strokes for different folks, not because there aren’t good games. I like the V-pets so the original Digimon World on PS1(or that Saturn game that was Japan only). Those are also the only two games to predate the anime so no back influencing
To be honest, digimon already has a mainline game series... well, technically 2. You got World and Story, and you got the other stuff. There is more focus than, say, 15-20 years ago (The first 4 world games are all different genres). It's just that, unlike Pokemon, there isn't a new Digimon game or 2 per year, and as such there's fewer choices, especially with the number of titles with either/or/both questionable quality and difficulty in playing. So one needs to temper expectations and realize Digimon isn't the constant stream of content like Pokemon, even if it can be argued that Digimon's output exceeds those in the same market.
While I do agree that they need a bit more of a streamlined structure to the games so there is a main franchise, I do also hope that if they ever do then they don't do what Pokemon is currently doing. I fell out of Pokemon after gen V because it was becoming so streamlined and basic that I wasn't feeling engaged or challenged anymore and was just going through the motions. I prefer the spinoffs of Mystery Dungeon or Ranger now, but both of those have basically died off, so there's nothing in Pokemon to engage me anymore and it's a little like watching everyone else through the fence while holding onto some old toys no one wants to play with. So I'd hope that even if they do streamline, Digimon keeps up the variety in spinoffs as well so that people that love Digimon but don't like the main series for whatever reason can stay invested as well.
I like never knowing what to get with digimon. Please no more adventure spin offs and establishing a main line. The best part of digimon is the experimentation even if it doesn't always execute well.
Digimon Anime > Pokemon Anime. I'm a huge fan of both however as an adult and I can understand the story better I feel like the Digimon Stories are more fleshed out, also it is so cool Seeing Taichi (Tai) grow up and bond with Agumon over the years. For Games, I love Pokemon slightly more but wished they had had more spinoffs or tried more things. I love Pokemon, Pokemon Colleseum, and I wish we had a mainline entry evolve into something else. I love Digimon games but I would also like them to calm it down and give us stuff that works, How about a Digimon World 1 remake or Sequel since I enjoyed the raising aspect.
True about anime but game is opposite. True, Digimon game aged well but they just doesn't make it fun to play just like RPG quest game but make it 10 Times back tracking 😑.
Nah never, Ash vs Leon, Cynthia , Paul, etc Digimon is straight dogshit in comparison I can't believe people even liked you're comment in agreement of incorrectness 😂
Bruh Angemon vs Devimon slaps, Leomon vs Beelzemon, wargreymon and imperialdramon vs black war greymon, gallantmon vs beelzemon, omnimon vs alphamon I love pokemon but it pales in anime quality to digimon @@AL-nv4gk
I feel like a thing that's largely missed is that Digimon DOES have a main series. It's the V-pet tomogachis. Everything else is a spinoff which I guess got widely more popular over here than everywhere else. So ideally, if you wanted to treat digimon like pokemon, you should be looking at the v-pets instead of video games but nobody would ever anyway since everything else is so much more popular for the gamer demographic
I just bought two Digimon X devices from Amazon, but it was pretty difficult. There's no official store in this country, so I had to resort to Amazon purchase. The advice I'd give is to watch the first show, and then go into Digimon Cybersleuth if you came from Pokemon, or go with Digimon World 1 if you liked the Tamagotchi aspect or if one has certain other interests there's probably the best first game for each type to get into Digimon.
Yes, her video was super accurate. The best game to start off with has to be Cyber Sleuth > World DS > World 3. Digimon has games in nearly every genre and it is 100% an issue. When a PKMN fan wants to play Pokemon they know what to expect but the inconsistencies in Digimon make being a long time fan hard. We've been asking for a World 3-like game forever and all we've gotten were Diablo Hack-n-slash, Racing, Beatem'ups, Tamogatchi sims, Visual Novels, MMOs, Mobile Games and half this crap never saw a western release. The series needs consistency and needs to ask fans what they want instead of doing whatever they feel like. The series is not in a good place. They won't make half the money back from Survive because it was in development hell but mainly because no one asked for that. Sheesh, when ppl gravitate towards your Traditional RPGs best that should say everything.
Well, I would hope they made money off of Survive, I'd not mind another game like it. And I'm not exactly a VN fan. Also it can be argued that the issue isn't, nowadays, Digimon being too inconsistent with games, moreso there just not being as many as Pokemon's.
i respect digimon for doing whatever they feel like. asking the fans what they want never ends well considering the fans don't all have the same opinion (i've never seen people bring up world 3 at length before so i'm not sure who "we" is) and most people just tend to want more of the same. the rpgs have a place in the franchise but as much as i love dawn/dusk i'd rather not be fed the same gruel for the rest of eternity--the old games already exist, we really don't need 70 iterations of the same formula year after year. yeah, there's a reason why pokemon has made the exact same game over and over again for 25 years, but there's also a reason why the community has become borderline cultish both in its favor and against it. stagnation is a slow acting poison.
I think it doesn't help that Jaiden, who was looking to get into the franchise but ALSO make content out of her experience, doesn't have exactly the same needs/goals as somebody just looking to play. She turns down Cyber Sleuth, despite admitting she thinks she'd enjoy it on her own time, because it wouldn't make a good video (arguable, but probably fair). I truly think Digimon World (or Next 0rder or Re:Digitize or whatever, would work best for her videos, but how does that mesh with her preferred style of gameplay? Complicates things. Overally totally agree with the points you both made though
that's a good point actually, some games aren't as good for condensed video content, so i can understand her point. I still think cybersleuth would've made for a good video for her tho.
I got into Digimon this year via the TCG and honestly I feel it's the easiest way to get in, as well as the first 2 short movies to give a sorta context behind what's what
While Digimon is hard to get into with its myriad of genres, it ironically also makes the franchise easy to enter imo. BECAUSE the genres of games vary wildly, if someone likes that certain genre they'll easily come in. Started with the wrong game happened to some people I know as well. Some liked it right away, some tried another game and only started to enjoy it there and the rest simply decided they didn't enjoy the game they played and dipped
If Tamagochi is your niche, then it's World, ReDigitize (emulator) und the bracelets you need. If RPG is your niche, then it's DW3, Adventure PSP (emulator) and the Story games you need. I'm not dissing on Jaiden, but you can't call her research fruitful if she ended up on a Sequel game that demands you to know the previous game. Given, Cyber Sleuth is also a Sequel game in essence since it has things from ReDigitize, Dusk & Dawn and DS World game, making it a mixed bag, but you don't require to have played these previous games for context unlike with what she ultimately choose. She would miss out on some Easter Eggs but like I said, you can play the game safely without the need to recognize them. I don't know what the people she asked for help said to her but they weren't useful at all (...why Twitter...nothing helpful comes from that place...), which can easily be seen by them not realizing that Jaiden is a beginner. The best choice she could have made, was to ask a Digituber for help. Just like how a Poketuber needs to know their stuff to make their content, the same applies to the Digitubers. Since she's a prominent figure on TH-cam Jaiden would have found worth here and could have spared herself from diving into a bad decision... I really hope that she decides to try out Cyber Sleuth(s) in the future and then, AND JUST THEN, chooses the World games if she feels like it. That's at least what I as a long-term Digimon player would recommend to every Pokémon player if they want to make a step into the Digimon Games world.
Technically the "main series" of digimon games is the virtual pets. Everything- the anime, the video games, the tcg, etc- is viewed by Bandai Namco as a commercial to sell those vpet toys. This is the core reason why digimon is the way it is. Remember, when it began it was just supposed to be "tamagotchi for boys" and as far as corporate's concerned that's what it still is. With pokemon, it's the core video game series that everything else is designed to funnel you towards which is why it's so easy to get into. For digimon to have something similar it would require a radical shift in what Bandai Namco sees as the core product line of digimon, and I don't see that ever happening.
I sort of agree with Jaiden but I feel the fact that she didn't want to do Cyber Sleuth is what the real issue was tbh. She didn't want to play it as content for her channel which is fine! But when Cyber Sleuth is widely seen as 'the best game' and a good entry point for most people she did make things a lot harder. It's like asking everyone what the second best entry point in a franchise is and theyre always more hotly debaited than the best in a franchise IMO.
My friend was like "Dawn is a horrible game to start as someone who knew nothing about Digimon, Digimon world DS or Cyber Sleuth would have been better because they explain stuff better." when I told him Jaiden started with Dawn
The thing with Digimon is that it is far too different to Pokemon to just expect a certain thing. The whole history of how it got popular is super different. The games are obviously a bad place to start with the series, though yes, a tutorial would be a good thing for the games. The anime is by far the most agreed actual starting point. I like how everyone loves the anime or at least agrees it is the best starting point.
I think one problem is the Pokemon ARE the games. The anime is popular but... most adults don't talk about the anime often or watch it at all. It's all about the games. Versus Digimon is, arguably, the opposite. All digimon fans seem to watch all of the animes and the games are like filler in-between shows/episodes or a way to play with your favorite digimon. The approach to the franchise as a fan is completely opposite
@@Pravanul Yeah. I mean, the Pokemon Anime was watched a lot in the earlier seasons but less so gradually until around the Black and White Anime where a lot of people fell off the Anime. But Digimon had the same thing with falling off kind of after Digimon Frontier. I know Data Squad still aired but the Digimon Anime's popularity in America definitely waned heavily. But yeah, in terms of what is best to start with, Pokemon is the games and Digimon is the First Three Seasons of the Anime. Though for both there are tons of additional stuff all over that are cool. Cards, the OG Digivice pets and those odd, small Pokemon things like the Pokewalker, or that one Pokemon device from the 1990's that I forget the name of. These two multimedia franchises are honestly quite a bit deeper to dive into than just games or Anime, especially when you get into stuff from Japan. But then again, Japan has a ton of stuff for even franchises or anything else from America that teaches them to the point of ridiculousness. No one ever asked for Takoyaki flavor (which I think is a meat dish or at the very least opposite of what soda should taste like) Ramune Soda probably until Japan made it exist. Not one person probably thought to flip the roles of a food vendor car until Japan made Car vending machines. But I like it that way kind of. It's honestly impressive the creativity there, even if some of the things there make me question who could have ever come up with something and thought it was going to break the bank.
@@robxholicfoxyfan8552 I wouldn't say the popularity waned in Savers. Heck, Frontiers was a controversial season when it aired that split the community in two. And a lot of fans watched and enjoyed Savers. But Digimon became a true niche around Savers, arguably, so that's probably what you saw
no hate towards jaiden but i feel like a big problem was that digimon games are hard and she needed to finish it fast so she could pump out a youtube video about it asap to the point she hacked her game to finish it faster. The reason i enjoyed digimon world dawn as a kid was because i could take my time learning how to traverse the mazes and beat the bosses. But for Jaiden it was half she genuinely wanted to get into the franchise, and half it was literally part of her job to beat it quickly. Lastly digimon games are better when you're familiar with the show so you know what to expect and which digimon to invest in. (Jaiden didn't even know that digimon talked!) Like i could confidently say "Imperialdramon Platinum Mode was good in the movie so i'm definitely gonna aim for that one." While a new fan doesn't have any digimon in mind to aim for. I hope she gets to play the Cyber Sleuth games though because those are my favorites.
I'm of the mind that while I agree that making a current series or a new series be the "mainline" entry point will definitely make it more streamlined and easier to get into, I also have some reservations for what that would look like going forward. I guess to be honest, I don't want Digimon to become a series like Pokemon. I've seen some comments say the same thing. I think the core of that comes from how far the games has drifted away from certain aspects that a small, yet visible portion of have become jaded about the series. I always liked that Digimon tired and did things differently, even if it didn't work out they saw that the dedicated people were there to see it through to the next project. I can already kind of see the "Pokemon-ifcation" already slipping into the current reboot project, namely the new animes being the Adventure Reboot and the currently airing Ghost Game. At first I really liked the shows but has slowly lost interest because of it basically becoming like every other toycentric franchise show. Don't misunderstand me, I know these shows were always trying to sell you stuff but what made Digimon different was how raw they could get at times. They really wrote to the level of the audience having the kids go though situations that were tough yet relatable. The current stuff is just monster of the week, nothing matters except one tiny little part in the episode that's leading to what they want you to believe is one big mystery or event but it really isn't all that interesting. I might feel more strongly about this because I found that the core interest of Digimon stems from the animes more then anything else and outside of animation I can't say anything in that department outshines shows from the the start to end of the 2000s. Overall I think as long as Bandi are willing to promote the series and show they're committed to bringing products world wide, the series can only get more popular, thus make more money. If that eventually leads to the series losing its identity then I'll just move and hope the new age of fans enjoy.
I'm one of those people. I would rather Digimon stay being at most semi-popular and have innovative / a variety of games than for it to be like Pokemon. Pokemon is Pokemon. Digimon needs to be able to step out from its shadow and stand alongside it with its own merit instead of copying what "works". If Digimon makes a decent game but with better graphics than Pokemon SV it would stand a very good chance of properly coming back as a game franchise worldwide
@@ieshareath1191 I understand that and my point still stands. I want Digimon to keep its identity and not because a stagnated series like Pokemon has. My views have only grown stronger with the release of Scarlet & Violet. They can't even get optimized games out anymore. The issue with increased fan interest is the ability to keep up with that interest. People are going to want more games out if they go that route since games are a lot more accessible compared to anime. Last thing I want is a Digimon series being made yearly for it to eventually stagnate because of the "need" for games like the Pokemon franchise as warped people into believing every year. If they do go that route they need a rotating system of series between the Story, World, Survive/SRPG(What ever they call this half), so that the development teams have time to fully innovate and create POLISHED experiences. That's going to take a lot of money and the way Bandi currently handles Digimon along with other series doesn't bold well. I'm up for it if they can pull it off but I'm also being honest on the possibility of certain outcomes. My hope is if they can have more people interested in the series eventually but if it leads to unpolished products and a fundamental change in what makes Digimon, "Digimon" then I'm happy moving on from it. Also to add, Digimon games are a mixed bag as they already are, so they'll have to really focus on making higher quality products.
Pokémon often has situations where the characters are in tough but relatable scenarios. I mean, the plot of Sun and Moon is about two kids fleeing from an abusive parent, and the nature of what makes a family. People dismissed the game as being for babies because it was tutorial heavy, but the story was the mature game that people have clamored for!
@@BJGvideos Black and White (2) and Arven's route + final story before credits in Scarlet and Violet are phenomenal as well. Tbh SV had good-amazing stories; it just sucks the performance is ass.
You know what's probably the best way to enter digimon? The digivice, literally just the core of the franchise, no big learning curves, simple mechanics, you get a digi friend and go on an adventure fighting digi foes.
I love how this video dissects a video without throwing a tantrum. I get so annoyed when some hyper fan jumps into calling xyz a r* for starting on a supposed wrong title and how they just don’t get it. Bravo 👏
lol thanks, believe it or not, a lot of my videos end up controversial because i'm not the type to just fully take one side on a broad topic. I try to see everyone's point of view and come to my own :P
You're 100% correct about the western fans having to carry the series here. Just earlier this month I got an official Bandai ad on TH-cam for digimon vital. Only they weren't using the branding or terminology at all, they just called it vital hero or something, while clearly displaying a digimon on the bracelet. Bandai thinks the west is so unwilling to touch digimon that they'd rather try to trick people into buying a like, 60 dollar vpet than tell them what it is. -a nerd with too many x vpets.
I had a similar experience to Jaiden, I watched a ton of reviews for older Digimon games, and I was going to play one of the DS ones, but for lack of free time I couldn't play it, but damn, it was a struggle to know where to begin and which game would give me a great experience with how many people recommend a game and an equally large group of people say it is bad.
My only problem with Jaiden's video is that she states at the beginning that there's no consensus on what is the best Digimon game to start with, but at the end she says that a lot of people agreeing that Cyber Sleuth is the best one and decided to ignore it and play a game that most people like because o nostalgia, not because it's actually good.
I know it's not a traditional game, but would the digivices be considered the main series games? I don't know if stuff like Tomagachi, or digital pet devices count as video games. They seem to be put in the toy labeling, but it's not like we had pet simulator games on game systems before.
Cybersleuth is a fun one. It reignited my love for it. I mean, i get to (painfully) slowly work myself to get my childhood favourite Omegamon, only yo realise he is garbo in the game so i start to love other Digimon instead like Alphamon.
My only nitpick with them declaring a main series is that it couldn't be World(Because they are not consistent with eachother) and so would result in a fandom that remains open just tearing itself apart. Just look at the Star Wars franchise ever since Disney declared most of the really cool stuff "not canon".
I’ve sort of been wanting to get back into the Digimon series too. As a kid I actually loved the first two anime series more than Pokémon, but never got a chance to get into the games. A couple years ago I tried one of the games, I don’t remember what it was called but it was a 3D game that had sims-like elements of you having to take care of your digimon’s needs? I liked the idea but their needs dropped so quickly though that I never felt like I could properly explore the world and ended up feeling frustrated. I really like games where I can take my time and explore; I grew up with a lot of older JRPG’s (Final Fantasy 1-6, Chrono Trigger, etc) and I prefer turn-based battles where I can stop and think, but I’m not against more action-y gameplay. I really love a solid story with well-written characters; if I had to choose I’d take janky gameplay with a great story over fun mechanics but a story I can’t get into (or a situation like Fire Emblem where I’m awful at strategizing but I love the story and characters enough that I’ll struggle through it anyway). I’m totally fine with emulating and patching japanese-exclusive games to have an English fan-translation, I’ve done that kind of stuff before. Digimon is just a series with so much history I don’t really know where to begin, and last time I tried I ended up with a game that didn’t really click with me.
There isn't really a big question what the root of Digimon games are. It was a tamagatchi type thingy.. So i would say the moster training focused ones are the core.. But far from the easiest entry point. Despite many (like me) starting with digimon world for the Playstation, and not understanding anything 😅
Not just "a tamagatchi type thingy" it literally started as the sister brand to Tamagotchi but aimed at boys. The term you were looking for is V-pet or virtual pet
Having grown up with both, I think the two different approaches to how the games are produced are very indicative of the way that the fundamental mindset behind how creatures evolve in Pokemon vs. Digimon. Not that one is necessarily better than the other, but each will appeal to different types. Pokemon has a solid mainline core of games that have few spinoffs. And the Pokemon have very set and rigid evolution paths. It was meant to be based on animal growth and development/evolution with the Pokemon serving as pets. It focuses on clear and measurable progress. That rigid structure and formulaic approach make a hugely consistent experience for gameplay overall, but it can feel stifling if you want other ways to enjoy it. Contrasting that is the Digimon series that has tried a number of different gameplay approaches, stories, and genres. Digimon by design don't have a fixed, specific digivolution path and instead serve as mirrors for the growth and development of their partners and that bond. It is based on potential and a wide range of possibilities. It retains the core of "I'm Digimon!" while exploring which makes for the variance in experience that gives many different opportunities to find something you love.
I like Digimon, I don't understand any of it, but I like it. I find the cardgame and anime to be the best points of entry. The anime seems to be clear enough to understand without much effort And the story is engaging even if you don't fully understand what's happening. The card game on the other hand is easy to learn And has a very modern design philosophy (unlike the big 3). Edit: also the Digimon TCG really mastered the lore through game mechanics aspect. Whereas the big 3, Yu-Gi-Oh especially, struggle to incorporate that. Meaning that it's a better entry point for Digimon than its Pokémon counterpart.
Id say if your a pokemon fan cyber sleuth is the best game to start off with World is a more monster rancher esq series where stories is a rpg monster collector where things ultimately are very similar to pokemon I definitely think cyber sleuth is the best to get into the games as there the easiest barrier to entry rn
Here's where we just get a bunch of youtubers who play a singular franchise of taming game like pokemon,digimon,temtem or heck smt(it counts in my opinion) and get them to play Jade Cocoon 1 or 2(personal choice would be 2) and see how each person from each franchise reacts just as a bit of fun haha. Plus anytime I can boost general knowledge of the Jade Cocoon franchise I will lol
Cybersleuth is what got me into the game fandom after only watching the first two anime series back in the 90s and that one terrible Smash Bros clone on the PS3 (I paid $10 dollars too much for it, and I got it for $5; fortunately I got the excellent JoJo's Bizarre Adventure fighting game for the PS3 in that same sale).
I wouldn't necessarily give a guide for getting into Digimon, other than to just pick the most beloved options of the whole media (because digimon isn't mainly a videogame franchise. The main appeal is equally anime and games) and understand what you would and what people do like about it. There aren't really a lot of plot connections between games and anime so the entry point can be whatever as long it's not a sequel. You will get an experience from whatever you pick anyway. If I'd make a guide for Digimon, it would be that you start watching anime from Digimon adventure (1999), 02 and tamers just to get a grasp of the series' tone, and after that just pick whatever is the most praised stuff. There's not really a game that isn't enjoyable, other than the 1st Digimon world game which doesn't hold your hand at all and overall is considered a bit of a mess so it can be quite a non-friendly experience for 1st time casually, but when you understand the game, it's honestly really good.
....I kinda wish they made a new Digimon World Championship game, I really loved how simple it was and how much it was as if they turned the little handheld digivises into an actual game.
I totally understand having a hard time getting into Digimon games. I've always loved both Digimon and Pokémon, with the Digimon anime always having an edge on the Pokémon one - but when it comes to console gaming: I'm not a gamer, I own ONE plattform (the only time we had more than one was when Singstar was big on the PS2) and that's usually a Nintendo system as my sis and me started gaming on the Gameboy Color, with Pokémon yellow edition as our first game. I was so happy when I found out that the Cybersleuth games both got ports to my Switch 🥰
On your point about Bandai not caring to advertise the games, it’s generally just to a Western audience. If you live in the US, you barely get anything digimon related. We’re missing out on a ton of games, a ton of merchandise, a ton of experiences. It’s gotten better over the years but Japan is their main audience and focus.
I still don't know how to feel about Digimon as a series, and I've only played Cyber Sleuth (And Hacker's Memory of course, but I've also not beaten HM yet since I was kinda a bit burnt out after finishing the main game). Its got a solid core design and some decent set up but it's plot feels like at times it has a hard time following through. As a game its among a breed I don't think I could give some kind of numerical rating to, but I do feel better calling "sequel worthy" (games like Astral Chain fall under this distinction as well) because I'd definitely feel positive about all of its elements being learned from and turned up to 11. A bit of focus can go a long way with a series.
From my perspective, as someone who jumped into the games with Dusk, I could attest that it was expecting you to know the mechanics from the previous game. I never really came back into Digimon games until the mobile games before settling on Cyber Sleuth’s port for the Switch, which felt way easier to follow than Dusk and Dawn.
Heh, funny that some say Digimon World is the main series, when even that series, changed from game to game what type of game system it uses. World 1- Tamagotchi Type World 2- Dungeon Crawler World 3- Random Encounter World 4- Hack n Slash Then there's like the PSP game that you mentioned that the other person mentioned, which I think is RE:Digitized or something or that one is the PSVita remaster I'm not sure, I only really played the first 4 world games a bit, but that PSP game is I think like World 1 akin to a Tamagotchi Style again. Then we have the Digimon Stories, which I only know Cyber sleuth of, and that's 3vs3 Pokemon style with Random Encounters like World 3(2 was also 1-3vs1-3) We can't forget about Digimon Rumble Arena 1 and 2 because of course Digimon needs to have it's own Battle Game, I think they also made a 3rd game, but I don't think it's as good as the other two. Then we have two versions of the Digimon TCG, the old original one, and then the new one that's quite cheap to get into and popular. The Tamagotchi are still going strong as well, with anniversary editions of the old devices coming out too. It's a multimedia franchise which Bandai Namco is kind throwing stuff against the wall and not even seeing what sticks, I feel like. They just hand out licenses to people who sound like they have a plan and then we get a new Digimon game, what kind of game it is, is really up to chance. Like with World 4 who would've guessed that is going to be a Hack n Slash, a quite basic one at that. As you said, I also hope that they figure out something of a Structure to their Mainline System of sorts, but maybe now that this whole Series seems to be getting an upsurge in Popularity and new games coming out, they will be more keen to take up consumer feedback as well.
Habu Digimon Director himself said multiple times that both Story AND World are considered main series. World series now only includes games that have Tamagotchi Type gameplay like Digimon World (1999), Digimon World Re:Digitize (2011) and Digimon World: Next Order (2015) .
I've only played cybersleuth because it was on sale, it was fun. I like the evolution mechanics and I had my friends pick which way they've evolve when it was an unseen evolution. (mostly good results, and a locomon. 😢 I wanted the cool wasp ranger one)
I still struggle when people tell me the best way to get into a game series is by watching an anime. I want to love digimon games so badly but they are all so grindy or too complex I guess for my brain to have fun with the challenge.
Theres a digimon fighting game if you like Digimon Rumble Arena is more of a fighting game than rpg. Theres no grinding thou limited digimons but you can unlock some digimons and well its not complex as its a fighting game.
To be fair Cyber Sleuth, of all the RPG's I've played, has the most grind friendly setup I've seen, provided you have the right stuff. Not many RPGs offer a means to just eliminate random battles, let alone a free one, and if you do want to grind, why run in circles when you can just summon one? EXP? Well, it will require some save scumming and grinding but there are certainly ways to massively speed up leveling there.
As someone who hasn't gone back to play all the digimon games. I love cyber slueth and its sequel hackers memory and I'd love more games like them. On the flip side I absolutely despite Digimon world next order and Survive isn't the type of game I'd be super interested in because its a visual novel. The tactical stuff I'd love but I'm normally not to hyped to sit through 10 hours of dialogue per fight without having a way to interact with the game beyond 'press A'. Digimon's strength is also its weakness. Every game is different so if you aren't into multiple genres and can just love digimon for the sake of digimon on its own you'll struggle to stay with the franchise long term, and only poke your head in occasionally. Doesn't help they don't advertise the shit properly. I almost didn't realize cyber sleuth was a thing until I ran into it just looking for stuff to try at gamestop and picked it up. I love it and STILL almost missed hackers memory, which I like even more, because again, I ran into it just browsing gamestop for something to do. Bandai sucks.
I'm getting to this a year late but Bandai/Toei's relaunch in 2020 was trying to fix this issue - and I think the succeeded and the best possible starting point for someone coming in raw is to watch the Digimon Aventure 2020 anime. The first 3-4 episodes of that show seem to have been specifically crafted to give you a basic overview of the concept of Digimon.
Been a Digimon Videogame fan for 20 yearsish, played through Digimon Story and Digimon World Titles on the PSX, DS, PSP and PS4. Digimon World 3 was my entry point and is probably the best balance of charming and simple enough to entice newcomers with gameplay and RPG Elements. Having Three base starters and 6 additional optional base Digimon you can recruit makes the game more easily understood than grappling with hundreds or thousands of Digimon locked through systems of Breeding, Scanning or Digivolution. My two cents worth.
Thank you for focusing in on this! I agree that Digimon games need to pick one coherent genre for their "mainline" titles and stick with it to give an easier and more consistent onboard point for newcomers. Even if it doesn't appeal to long-time Digimon fans, more fans being able to enter the community is almost always a net positive. I've stated before, but it bears repeating that the Pokemon franchise has amazing games, but mediocre anime that has admittedly gotten better in recent iterations. While the Digimon franchise has amazing anime, but mediocre games that have admittedly gotten better in recent iterations. As such, the anime are going to be the "optimal" onboarding point for anyone trying to get into Digimon. That said, since Digimon as an overall franchise is a lot more character-driven and narrative-focused than Pokemon, recent iterations like Cyber Sleuth that optimize that experience are going to be the choice onboarding points from the game perspective. Jaiden originally dismissed Cyber Sleuth for being very Persona 5-ish, but that's kinda the _point._ As Jaiden also observed, unlike Pokemon, Digimon talk - and they often have a lot to say about the greater narrative. Pikachu (usually) isn't a relevant character and doesn't actively interact with the the plot in most Pokemon games, but Agumon is and does.
If you think about it Pokemon and Digimon have similar number of game types as they do story types. The Pokemon anime has been following Ash for the past 20+ years on his journey that can be followed from the day he got Pikachu to the World Champion, meanwhile the Digimon anime gets a new story every few years with a new cast of characters and world mostly unconnected from previous ones (I say mostly cause the original series was basically a tv show in Tamers).
My recommendation is this one. don't play any digimon game released before 2011. If prople like them it's just because of nostalgia. Objectively those games are just bad. You can play any Habu kazumasa title (digimon world re digitize decode (2015), aventure psp (2013), cyber sleuth (2015), hacker's memory (2017) or survive (2022)) and say the game was either good, decent or just ok, but never a bad game. He didn' produce next order btw, he just was in charge of the port. About jaiden's statement, I don't agree with any world she said, she based her entire experience in the franchise with one of the worst game in existence implying every game except cyber sleuth is bad.
I agree with her assessment of how the franchise handles the games. I tried to play a PS1 title that belonged to my cousin (we were both kids with several age difference), and boy was I lost. I was going into the game thinking "Yes, now my precious Kuromon would digivolve to Agumon just like in the anime." Only, he didn't turn into Agumon, he turned into Bakkumon that bed sheet wearing paralysis demon that haunts graveyards.😐 I was not fully aware of branch digivolutions and how to implement them in the games.
Wasn't hard to convert my friends and cousins. I told em to watch Digimon Frontier (3) and had them play World Next Order on ps4. Digimon Semi AI combat is the best. World series are probably mainline.
So far I’ve played Digimon World Championship/Dawn/Dusk, Digimon World: Next Order, Cybersleuth/Hacker’s Memory, and Survive. Imo, Cybersleuth/Hacker’s memory is the easiest when it comes to both combat and Evolution. The type matchups are more noticeable and easier to learn, and you have more control over how to digivolve your Digimon compared to Next Order, making it not as much of a grind as Next Order. Survive is more of a story/narrative game. The best entry point into Digimon tho for new potential fans? The anime. Best part is that it really doesn’t matter which one you start with either. Since each series has their own twist and story, although Digimon 1-2 and Tamers are somewhat tied together.
I do agree with Jaiden, it’s so hard to get into Digimon video games and even define what it is. I don’t even know what the main series is, there’s like five different answers. 😅
I would honestly love it if survive's sort of tactical rpg/visual novel blend became the basis for new digimon games (though if that happened I would really like the split to be a bit less weighted towards the visual novel part)
@@SeraSmiles I mean, one could get into the weeds about how a Visual Novel does contain some gameplay, much like a text adventure were also considered games.
I am trying Cyber Sleuth first because it is more similar with others games I know, so will be more confortable to enter. I txperiment with Digimon World Dawn (and vanilla on the DS) and had a bad experience with both, not going much far before giving up.
With Pokémon... They have had side games all the way back to the Gameboy (pinball and tcg spring to mind as very old side games within Pokémon... But Snap and Mystery Dungeon are better examples) but it was always clear what "mainline" Pokémon was... Digimon has had elements kept across but from my mostly outside of the video games experience (mostly experienced Digimon from anime and the ancient virtual pet digivices way way back) it has been quite jarring how much changes every anime & game to the point where them more recently going back to the basics has been refreshing...
I think there's some experience bias here. To a newcomer to Pokemon, it's a monumental task to choose where to start and HOW to get there. Why do I state this? - Before even starting you have to answer: - Which console and which generation? - Which version do want to play as depending on the generation you'll either experience a different team but the most important part is which version exclusives there are. - So let's say the answer to the first question is the 3DS-era of games because of how widely available the 3DS is and how easily you can obtain one of the games from that generation. - You have a fair few choices to suggest: - XY, which are functionally similar to the original games, and are a great introduction to the series, some might argue against this, but it's not complicated, the map is rather linear, and generally has a focused story and doesn't allow the player to meander too much. It's very directed. - ORAS, which are the remakes of Ruby and Sapphire. Although these are great introductions aswell, they are far more complicated, with a map design that has given some players headaches due to it's complexity. There's also Super Contests which can be avoided by new players as it's a side activity but can easily take time away from what matters, which is the core design of the series. These games get even more complicated later on when it carries over Mega Evolutions without much of a reason other than XY did it, which can confuse a new player, as to which mons can and cannot do it, which is why I would suggest XY. - Sun & Moon and USUM.. I wouldn't suggest these at all. Actually, furthest from a suggestion, I'd say wait until you've played a few games before starting, as these are nearly totally different games in so many ways I don't have the space to explain that here. - But wait, there's more.. USUM, SM, ORAS, XY, RSE, HGSS, BW/BW2, RGBY, GSC, what the fuck is with all of these acronyms? You expect a new player to know what any of this means? Let alone EVs, IVs, the difference between HM and TM moves, etc etc, I could go on and on, there's also certain games where TMs are limited, and HM moves are permanently in a mon's move set and cannot be replaced, then there's all this other insane jazz that we've been SO ACCUSTOMED TO, THE KEYWORD BEING "ACCUSTOMED TO", that a new player would be incredibly confused by if they just jumped head first into a random mon game. See I didn't even answer the second question because then I'd have to explain Trade Evolutions and the fact that they might have to buy two consoles and both games for that process if they don't have friends who play or are social enough to ask people only to help them get those Trade Evos. Yeah, coming into Pokemon can feel DAUNTING. There is a massive WALL between you and actually getting into this series that we absolutely don't acknowledge. That's not even talking about all the new mechanics introduced in every game and then subsequently removed in the next one. But yeah, it's not simple just jumping into a long running franchise, that feels like an obvious answer to an even more simpler question. Yeah, I think Cyber Sleuth is likely the best jumping on point if you just don't care about everything else, and just want a fun RPG. It's how I got back into the series after being gone since I was a teenager (which was nearly 13 years ago, mind you I hoped into CS when it came out some years ago).
I like Digimon a lot, but I do think it is hard to get into the fandom. I got into it around 2020 with Cyber Sleuth. And then I started collecting the TCG cards. I honestly love the Digimon cards and prefer them over Pokémon cards. Quality control is better with Digimon cards and they just seem higher quality in general. But anyways, I plan on playing more Digimon games soon
I got around well, the time the first anime came out on my country XD, so intriduced by anime, and then digimon world. Yes games are very much rough, all of them, all seems different and stuff. I'd prefer poking someone to look at anime first, then ask whatt kind of games they like, and THEN try to steer them into digimon, but guess cyber sleuth seems the most polished and widely avaiable one at the time.
I had the same issue getting into Digimon. Cyber Slueth was a great starting game. Still wish there was a modern Digimon RPG that played like cyber slueth, but took place in the digiworld. I would play digimon world, but I don't want to deal with literal shit.
I am not a Digimon fan but I just wanted to say a few years ago I watched a few episodes from Digimon Fusion and stopped for some reason, but I thought it was good and that theme song was awesome. The reason I can't get into Digimon is because I am not interested in battle card RPG games and is why I find Pokemon more fun to play.
I wonder how Digimon would do as an action JRPG as the final fantasy franchise is going? I just think that having it break the mold of turn based rpg titles might help it. DOn't get me wrong, I like rpgs, but I want to see it become its own identity; that and it being an action jrpg would help it define itself when compared to Pokemon.
Personally what made me get into digimon was my friend. Fairly recently he suggested I play digimon cybersleuth because, in his opinion, it was closest to a traditional pokemon game. Now I just can not get enough of the franchise!
I’m late in this, my thing with digimon is, and this is coming from the v-pet community because for me, training and care for your digimon is where the game should be (not knocking the rpg games, i think their okay in their own rights) I got digimon world 1 in middle school and still have my original copy and enjoy the heck out of it, i was pissed when digimon world re digitize for psp or 3ds never released in the US and happily bought the ps4 version of next order. I love the raising and training of the digimon, and this should be where the games should focus on, because this is how digimon got it started is a battle v-pet. I still play the v-pets and join a community who welcome those into the v-pet hobby, and we’re excited when Bandai is still releasing the vpets and trying to bring them in the west again.
Yeah, when I think of how I grew to love each franchise, it’s very clear to me. I grew to love Pokémon from the games. I grew to love Digimon from the anime. Especially the first anime. When FINAL FANTASY and MONSTER HUNTER have easier jumping in points for Pokémon fans than Digimon does (World of Final Fantasy is so flawed but I love it, and the MH Stories series), it’s a sign the Digimon Franchise needs to recentre what made so many people fall in love with the franchise. Pokémon is the largest media entity on the planet. You NEED an entry point for people coming from there, it’s just good business.
My first Digimon game was Digimon World Data Squad. I don't remember if I ever beaten it but definitely gotten to the final boss. I loved the game (especially the digivolutions tree) but never watched the anime it was based off of. After that I haven't played a Digimon game until Cyber Sleuth came out.
Yeah as a digimon fan for as long i have been born so 20 years its really hard so identity whats a "good" digimon game i feel its definitely fair what jayden said and about the "digimon needs a mainline game" is so true while world def is like the cloest we have because like karn said digimon always started as tomogachi game i feel the story series also should be a main line while they improve on it because i love both but they need to cut down on the grind thoses game had since legit world 1 in the ps1 days
My personal top favorite Digimon games were Cyberslueth, Rumble Arena 2, and World Next Order. Out of all of those the only one I can say would be great for new fans is Rumble Arena just cause you don’t have to know anything going in. Is basically just a Smash clone.
I find weird how this is hard question. Play Cybersleuth if you want a Turn Based JRPG or play any Digimon World 1, Re Digitize or Next Order if you want a Monster Taming game. Both are the main series.
Cybersleuth was the one that had the best bait, mainly because of its basic mapping, but abundant gameplay and roster of digimon in the game, most of which I'm somewhat familiar to. I also tried New Order, but that one feels more tedious to a degree. I haven't even completed it to this day.
I have not played a lot of the digimon games, I loved the animes and now the card game. I need to finish survive because it's probably the best digimon experience I can think of
I mean, they do have a "Focal Point", in Digimon World, they started with basically battle tamogotchi, and then made a video game based on that, Digimon World, and while 2-4 tried different style of games, ReDigitize (5) and Next Order (6) returned to the original Digimon World (1) formula, then theres the Story spinoff thats based on Digimon World 3
the first digimon game that i really enjoyed was digimon story ds, while the maps was just as maze like, it doesn't feels like too much, and the story was good too, the second game i played digimon world championship, but mostly as a time killing method the gameplay loop was fun but beyond that there isn't much. the one that i would say make me really hyped was cybersleuth the gameplay was simple enough for me to understand every mechanic and trick to the game, and the story element was really good, it makes me want to invest into the character and their stories, and it make me excited for more to come.
As someone that's been a fan of Digimon since the anime basically started airing here in the the US, I definitely agree that the games the franchise puts out could use something of a mainline series, but I also get why they sort of didn't do that. Digimon, being based primarily on a virtual pet line, which basically has stayed relatively cohesive in theme and mechanics for the most part since its inception, sort of seems to treat its video games as merely a part of their identity, not their core like Pokemon, so with each game, it seems they go into it with the idea of "what could we do with Digimon" as opposed to "what is Digimon and how do we portray that in a game." I think Digimon World as a series of games gets the closest to that "what is Digimon" question, as a few of their titles go more into the v-pet style mechanics, but that wasn't the case as early as it's second title in the series, only really going back to that concept it started with DMW1 many years later. Personally, I feel they've been using a combination of the more recent Digimon World games (the ones that go back to that v-pet style of gameplay) and the Digimon Story games as their sort of core concepts, as the former is closer to the V-Pet concept that Digimon stems from anyway, and the latter almost consistently have gameplay more closely related to Pokemon and similar RPGs. I think if they continue that line of thinking, maybe streamline it a bit between those two properties, that could help a lot, but right now, I definitely get how it feels like a mess.
As far as recent years go, I wouldn't call it a mess. I think people need to keep in mind that there aren't 1-3 Digimon games a year, so what games do come out seem spotty between the few games thare *are* in Digimon mainline game series, and Survive.
Gym Leader Ed Are you excited for Pokémon Scarlet and Pokémon Violet on Friday. Which game will you be playing on the channel, and what starter are you gonna pick? I'm playing Pokémon Scarlet and my starter is of course Fuecoco.
I kinda like having 2 different types of 'main series' games when it comes to digimon with the world and story games. They screwed up the english names with the DS games but aside from that I think they could make the two categories work in parallel. It'd help if there was a site for digimon games thought that listed and categorized the games so the info is easier for people to find.
Yeah those were digimon stories game world is more of a tamagotchi style where you have take the digimons to a bathroom every now and then and they have lifespans
Kind of like how I like that Monster Hunter now has a spin off called Monster Hunter stories where you are a monster rider instead of a monster hunter that is a Turn-based RPG as opposed to the main series's action rpg focus. I can enjoy the world without dying because of ADHD
Negative Legend had the best take on this. For Digimon, there's no definite way to get everyone interested in it because of how different every entry is. It would be best to start with something specific to their tastes. Card game, manga, anime, or video games, doesn't matter _where_ you start if you enjoy it.
if you mean the physical cardgame then sure but the card game videogame is a terrible entry point the game cheats so much
Also virtual pets
Couldnt have said better myself
I saw that video!!!
Nah, Digimon just throws arrows in the dark every 5-10 years with a pseudo revival for a quick cash grab exploiting nostalgia. Digimon is 100% ass and needs to be left behind. It's a pattern 5 more like 10 yrs it always pops up with a supposed revival and new LIMITED releases. Digimon is a franchise joke.
I agree. This is hard to get into, but I feel the anime is the best entry point, and the best entry point of the games IS Cyber Sleuth. A lot more simplified than Dawn and Dusk. Honestly Jaiden skipping it just by first impressions makes me want to bang my head against the wall.
Do note she said 'it looks like a good game, but it won't make content' she just skipped it because she wanted something 'quirky' to make a video about, and... monkey's paw I guess
Tbf, she didn't skip it cause it looked bad or anything, she chose a different game cause CS seemed to be way too story-focused for a video/content. :P
I Think Dawn And Dusk Are WAY Better Than Cyber Sleuth!And Battle Spirit 1.5 And 2.0 DESTROY Any Mainline Pokemon Game,Even Scarlet And Violet!My World Records On These Games Hardest Difficulties(Extreme 1.5,Hard 2.0):1600 Impmon,1300 ExGuilmon,1100 Guilmon,1100 Gabumon,1000 Patamon,1000 Gatomon,1600 ExAgunimon,1000 ExLobomon,1000 Loweemon!I Dare You To Beat Those Scores Without Cheats!
I'd argue the CS games aren't a good entrypoint because of how slow paced they are, which would make the series a major turnoff for a lot of people. They might be simple games, but the amount of time spent in the game just going through dialogue is just absurd, even in a story-based game. I'm yet to put myself through Hacker's Memory because I'm dreading the amount of dialogue.
Edit: typo
Not to mention dusk and dawn are a sequel to digimon world ds.
As someone who's been running through all the Digimon games over the course of the last year or so, I really gotta say that there isn't any objectively "good" Digimon games and yet they're all enjoyable in their own ways and are usually worth playing. It's actually fascinating. and a little frustrating because of situations like Jaiden's.
I will say that as someone with deep Pokemon roots, venturing into Digimon has introduced me to one of the best communities I could ask for.
Digimon fans rock lmao
In your opinion , which would be your recommendation for a Pokémon fan to play first?
@@Shoyro I agree with Karn's point in that the games are a bad entry point into the Digimon franchise as a whole but I think Cyber Sleuth is probably a good, easy entry into what Digimon is as a game series
@@Shoyro I know you dont ask my opinion lol. But in my point of view, digimon story cybersleuth (specially the hackers memory) and digimon world 2003 are the best 2 for a person who likes pokemon. The 2003 one is awesome, I love that game, but yeah, its got a lot of backtrackin, but its really a good good, and the cybersleuth is a way modern game, very enjoyable but it has a lot o text. As a Digimon world game, the "world next order" is the best digimon world game ( I know world 2003 is a world game but, its completely different. The 2003 one is more like a story cybersleuth. And if you are willing to play a novel game, the new game is awesome "digimon survive".
I mean, I would say there are objectively good Digimon games.
@@RippahRooJizah ok, yeah
But none that work as good examples of what to expect from the series.
I feel like people ignore what the biggest problem with her pick was that she outright admits. She wanted a game that would make a good youtube video, a good simple playthrough. She admits Cyber Sleuth was the one every kept saying to play but she didn't think it was what she was looking for which I respect. Honestly she admits she walked away a bit of a digimon fan in her own words. But yeah I think its a pretty common belief that cyber sleuth is the best starting point.
Ya, other than the anime Cyber Sleuth is a pretty good intro to the universe because of how it explains everything. But otherwise if you didn’t start with the anime it’s a little hard to jump in somewhere even if you are just trying to go by IRL chronology/release dates.
Can you explain a bit more in depth why cyber sleuth is the best starting point? As some sort of a "virtual monster scholar" who consumed basically all digimon, pokemon, Monster rancher and whatnot products, i certainly dont understand this suggestion. Please help me.
@@CoNteMpTone its the easiest to play and get into and much more linear then dawn and dusk as well as having streamlined and explains most things perfectly
@@asuraofwrath sounds like it would be the best starting point for someone who has never played videogames before, if you want to give them a really mediocre first experience. But every regular gamer could easily handle any digimon world and cyber sleuth is one that conveys very little about the actual franchise.
@@CoNteMpToneyou can play both cyber sleuths game on the collection
The best way I usually describe how the digimon video games are made especially to a pokemon fan is this: Imagine all the pokemon games that have ever been created (Red/Blue/Gold/Silver/etc) and they never existed but the spin off series (snap, conquest, mystery dungeon, rangers, etc) are the only games that Pokemon has ever made.
Each digimon game tries to innovate and try out different things such as different mechanics, genres, etc while pokemon mainly has the tried and true formula ever since 1996 and each new game is essentially a new season/upgrade/patch you want so its been consistent and they barely change the formula at all.
In my honest opinion as much as Cyber Sleuth is usually a lot of peoples choice on a entry point for digimon I would rather suggest Survive instead since while the game doesn't call the monsters "digimon" it does explain a few key factors that is spread out on what makes Digimon unique especially for their evolution. Digimon partners are in other terms your spirit animal/stand/persona that they usually are a reflection of you and they evolve on how you treat them, how you view them; and at the same time on how you as a person are/interact with others/ and how you grow as a person.
Yeah I will say Survive really did get to the essence of why we love Digimon. Having partner Digimon with fun personalities. That evolve in response to character growth from their human partners.
It is like an anime you can play. So honestly at first I wasnt sure but yeah maybe new fans should play Survive.
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Just a shame not a lot of people like the Visual Novel aspect.
I was wondering if someone would suggest Survive as an entry point!!!
@@AlexThat200 unfortunately true which is a shame. Really interesting stories but it just doesn't offer a lot of replayability.
but digimon mistery dungeon when?
I think the thing to note about Pokemon is the consistency. The gameplay has been the same since Gen 1. The TCG has been the same since the game came out. The anime has been the same, even with the immortal Ash as the main protagonist.
On the other hand, Digimon has been reinventing itself. Each anime is similar, but slightly different. There have been multiple Digimon TCGs that never really hit off until the 2020 stuff came out. The games have been all over the place from raising Digimon and letting them battle on their own, to RPG elements similar to the Digimon Story games, and now to the Visual Novel/TRPG that is Digimon Survive.
Like the Final Fantasy vs Dragon Quest or Mario vs Sonic situations.
Pretty sure Digimon has 7 TCGs
While I agree that Pokemon has stayed the same over all this time,
You only have to look at Yu-Gi-Oh Master Duel to see that being different or complicated isn't the issue here.
The issue is that the Digimon games don't have a core identity between them,
Pokemon has a lot of variety in its side games,
With series like Mystery Dungeon and Ranger redefining the core gameplay while keeping it relatively close to the main line,
And games like Pokken Tournament, Pokemon Snap and Pokemon Unite being completely detached from everything the main line concerns itself with.
There's a clear hierarchy of games with respect to how representative they are of the franchise as a whole (at the time they came out).
Digimon Games are barely even sorted,
The games in the World Series aren't even all considered part of the same category,
It's confusing if you are a Digimon fan,
Let alone if you know nothing of the franchise.
maybe she wasn't that far off when saying it's pretty similar to sonic
@@BramLastname Yes but you got to realize that digimon unlike pokemon did not start as a game then become a anime it was a anime that then made game that why their is no connection to game and anime because their both are trying to do different and it your just start as a pokemon fan it real easy to just not like the mainline game because if you just play one of the mainline games not including side game you basically played all of them because they alway stay the same with just one or two added features but i will admit the side games are good because they keep the system in a lot of ways like pokken and pokemon arceus and did is alway doing that with it game like digimon survival was a very story or novel game but in other games like digimon arena or digimon world it change genre making it feel like digimon want to make games for every gamer whether it for a story or for fun oh and if we are talking about anime digimon just has a better story for each one then pokemon and their a lot of reason why but my reason is that pokemon never change anything about the story of the anime or it mainline game other then the goal which is become the champ and try to capture the new special pokemon and it just get boring while digimon change almost everything with each game or anime but I will still say it they are both great just in different ways pokemon is great at making good games and digimon is great at telling a story and doing something new
Just the other day, Negative Legend made a video on how she got into Digimon this year. I love how many people have been talking about Digimon as of late.
Yeah i see so many people talking about Digimon Cyber Sleuth in my feeds. XD
I haven't seen anybody say it, but every Digimon game was called Digimon World in the West because of brand synergy. Digimon World DS was the first game in the Digimon Story series in Japan, but in the West, it was called Digimon World DS because every game in the series, up to that point, was still called Digimon World in Japan, and Bandai Namco thought "The Digimon World games have all been vastly different so far, it'll be easier to just keep the branding the same."
Well, Bandai makes many questionable decisions with their IPs that my friends who like BandaiNamco series like Digimon, Tales of, and Gundam all complain to each other about
Unfortunately this induced the opposite result. Turns out dividing you franchise into clearly definable chunks works better for branding than straight up lying to them and nurturing a culture of quality distrust.
@@huyphan7825 It became that way because Bandai can't decide what the original 3 worlds game was even about. It wouldn't be that way if redigitize was the actual 2nd world game while world 3 is the first story game.
From what I can tell, as someone who is somewhat familiar with but not necessarily "into" Digimon, the thing with Digimon is that, as Karn noted in his video, while Pokemon was a game that became a multimedia franchise, Digimon was an anime that became a multimedia franchise. It's kind of like if somebody wanted to get into Dragon Ball or Naruto; there _are_ games they can play, but they expect the player to already have at least _some_ familiarity to the series.
Digimon is more of a Tamagotchi turned multimedia franchise, so a big part of the issue I think is Bandai not being sure how to go about it. That's why there was so much experimentation early on. Pokemon had a somewhat easier time because the games' conventions were better suited to adapting to other formats.
Its funny Jaiden compares Cyber Sleuth to Persona because the relationship between Digimon World and Digimon Story feels like that of Shin Megami Tensei and Persona.
You've got the main series and then you have the spin-off series designed to appeal to a wider audience that also became a main series, with the added bonus the Final Fantasy design philosophy of self contained stories.
@@ZombieBarioth Bamco just needs to hand over everything to Sunrise. They did it w/ Gundam and look how that has lasted.
No se si me endiendes pero
La franquicia incio como una contraparte masculina de los tamagochi el anime de adventure
Salio despues y varios titulos para promocionarlo pero lo que hizo fue
Arruinar la franquicia siendo un adactacion horrible
Digimon No Es Adventure
@@ZombieBarioth That's technically correct (the best kind of correct), but if somebody says they want to "get into Digimon", having them raise a Combat Tamagotchi may actually be even less helpful than playing any of the games. By all accounts, the ideal way to introduce someone _completely_ new to Digimon really is the anime.
Digimon was a tamagachi toy that was adapted into a manga that then became a game and then an anime came out that was based loosely on the manga
Pretty sure Habu mentioned both Story AND World being considered main series, with Survive possibly becoming a third one depending on its performance.
Treating all their bigger projects on equal footing is nice but there are some people that are really vocal with what they think should be the main focus for Digimon games, and how that would be their favorite game :v
Some go as far as to say that the other genres shouldn't be a thing.
Yeah survive was a one off thing most likely. Since they have World and Story games. But they can't pass up the chance to try something new as the franchise always had. So it's kinda like 3 main series. World, Story, and experimental games.
@@jamalhartley5863 We still don't have actual numbers for Survive, but it seemed to be doing well, so I'd say it has a pretty decent of coming back.
Especially seeing how quick we got news of next 0rder port. They stated they weren't doing those because they had no money back in the Digimon Con.
I think that's a pretty good way of doing it. It's not like digimon has consistent lore throughout its different series (servers?), each one has a start and an end with it's own rules usually. Also the demographic varies. More teen oriented horror ones for survive, rpgs for story, and world for raising them. So you can pretty much jump into any that interest you and it'd be around the same as jumping into one of the animes that interest you
As a big Digimon fan here, I 100% agree that Digimon games are such a mix bag of gameplay, like you said so many different things going on with it. Heck they even have their own beat-em-ups, card videogames, racing, and that weird dungeon crawler they did with digimon world 4. I'll never forget playing as Agumon awkwardly carrying around an axe.
But man, thinking back about Digimon world dawn/dusk- it really was something with its maze dungeons heheheh. And all the back tracking in world 3 whew, now that I think about it a lot of the older "classic" digimon games have a lot of back tracking lol. But of the "old school" games I'd say world 3 was a pretty solid game for its time, some real nice music with it too. And for better or worst, all considered, they're all charming in their own ways that's for sure!
Of the officially translated games, I'd definitely say Cyber Sleuth would be the best to ease into to get a feel for it- and maybe then Next Order for that nice mix of good references to the og World with way more improved mechanics.✌
I once played that very game in a video game rental arcade and could not believe that Agumon was smiting its enemies with an axe. You have claws and fireballs 🤔
@@phantomthunderclap975 I know right? Such a strange choice for digimon that are perfectly suited to throwing down with their claws and abilities.
🤔Would've been cool if they actually used digimon that already had their own weapons tbh, but ah well heheh. Their odd choice made it pretty rememberable
I thoroughly enjoy how Digimon games are all different. That's part of the appeal. I don't see it as "where should I start?" so much as "oh my god, I can start ANYWHERE!" for new people and for veterans it allows for some variety and a feeling of a fresh experience rather than the tired formula that Pokémon has followed for nearly 30 years. I enjoy Cyber Sleuth as much as I enjoy Next Order as much as I enjoy Digimon Card Game. Just go with whatever style of game appeals to you most and go with it, is what I would suggest. It's good to have so many different games because there's more of a likelihood that there's at least one game in the franchise that would appeal to a monster-taming nerd, as opposed to a game series that does one thing on repeat because if you don't like that one game there's a good chance you won't like all the other games exactly like it with minor tweaks (yes, I know there are now several genres within the Pokémon games, but I'm mostly referring to the obvious bigger titles within the franchise and not side things like Trozei etc.).
As someone who did just recently enter Digimon games through Cyber Sleuth I can attest to how "beginner friendly" it is. I found it more akin to an RPG like Persona, and I absolutely loved the branching paths of evolution or even seeing all these path that somehow lead to the same end. My only major complaint is that Cyber Sleuth/Hacker's Memory can be super grind happy (but then again it's not as bad as some RPGs like a few of the old Final Fantasy titles). But I just generally started to understand how that game worked and honestly the support skills make for some fun team building as well.
TBH all Digimon games are super grindy. I don't think a single one isn't.. except maybe DW3 and DW4 but even those are pretty grindy and promote grind
The thing about which one is the Main Branch, World or Story, is that they are both a Main Branch.
The current director of the videogame division ahs said taht he wantes to have 2 main branches, World and Story, so there is 2 main types of gameplay for differnt sectors of the fandom.
He knows that the fandom is divided in it's tastes, so he simply embraced it XD.
I think the cyber sleuth is the best way to get into digimon. Yeah it’s story heavy but it’s not lore heavy so you don’t need to have played or know anything about digimon to just jump in and play this rpg. You can collect and use whatever you want because there are so many options and you continue to unlock more as you play. There really isn’t a grind unless you want to either
I would've just said Digimon story cyber sleuth for traditional turn based gameplay and Digimon world next order for the pet raising sim gameplay. Start with those and If you like them try the older titles.
Does the world next order exist on PC i searched and it says bandai will release on feb 23 but i cant wait that long
@@Randommanontheinternet9641 obviously there's no PC version until it releases on February, but if you want to get technical PC can play World 1 and Re:digitize (the other V-pet styled games Next order is a sequel to) by emulation, but that's an obvious gray area.
@@V-Jes alright thanks
I grew up playing both pokemon & digimon so i never saw digimon as a difficult to enter franchise, but for anyone who wants to enter digimon now, I genuinely see cyber sleuth as the easiest entry into the digimon games and that's because of how easy it was to play it. For the non-game part of the franchise just watch the anime, braveheart was all I needed to be hooked to the franchise.
You do make a lot of good points. Originally I got into Digimon thanks to the anime as the gateway but the games themselves have been experimental to very different from one another with a real Beginner's Entry point so to speak. Personally I love recommending Cyber Sleuth games as an entry point for those who like the JRPG aspect, and CAUTION the World series as Tamagotchi games for those who want the full Digimon experience. I really do agree that Digimon should establish a "Beginner game" for those who wish to expirience the fandom and make it clear what digimon are and how things work in the Digital Realm aspect and how Digimon came to be.
They did have a beginner game, it was Cyber Sleuth. Arguably Next Order as well if you want to try something different.
I personally would NOT want a main series of Digimon games!! I kind of love how Digimon is so willing to try new things and branch out into other genres. For me Pokemon has been feeling more stale and same-y lately, and I've been enjoying Digimon more lately because of that. I think the "ideal way" to get into Digimon is going to be different for everyone. Like traditional jrpgs? Try Cyber Sleuth. Fan of Fire Emblem? Try Survive. Like simulations? Try one of the (actual) World games.
Which are the actual World games?
@@arieljourdan2375 the pet simulater ones being digimon world original , digimon world recoded , digimon world redigitized etc
There are two main series, Story for JRPGs and World for confusing unfair grindy bullshit- I mean open world pet raising simulator. Honestly if it was up to me we would have a "main" series for every game genre imaginable-
I think Jaiden made two mistakes…maybe 3?
1. Dismissing Cyber Sleuth. That’s the only game everyone likes.
2. I feel like she was under the false impression the games were way closer to Pokemon than they are. This isn’t Robopon.
3. Digimon doesn’t have a main games series the same way Pokemon does. (I guess the V-Pets are the main series). There are absolutely spin-off games, and titling wise I guess World is the main series, but even within that. The games vary from ‘V-Pets as a full video game” to “Mystery Dungeon’ to “Kind of Pokemon like” to “Tournament fighter RPG”. The difficulty in intro is because different strokes for different folks, not because there aren’t good games.
I like the V-pets so the original Digimon World on PS1(or that Saturn game that was Japan only). Those are also the only two games to predate the anime so no back influencing
One of the best things about digimon is that it lends it self to so many different genres and styles
To be honest, digimon already has a mainline game series... well, technically 2. You got World and Story, and you got the other stuff. There is more focus than, say, 15-20 years ago (The first 4 world games are all different genres).
It's just that, unlike Pokemon, there isn't a new Digimon game or 2 per year, and as such there's fewer choices, especially with the number of titles with either/or/both questionable quality and difficulty in playing.
So one needs to temper expectations and realize Digimon isn't the constant stream of content like Pokemon, even if it can be argued that Digimon's output exceeds those in the same market.
Personally, I prefer quality over quantity.
While I do agree that they need a bit more of a streamlined structure to the games so there is a main franchise, I do also hope that if they ever do then they don't do what Pokemon is currently doing. I fell out of Pokemon after gen V because it was becoming so streamlined and basic that I wasn't feeling engaged or challenged anymore and was just going through the motions. I prefer the spinoffs of Mystery Dungeon or Ranger now, but both of those have basically died off, so there's nothing in Pokemon to engage me anymore and it's a little like watching everyone else through the fence while holding onto some old toys no one wants to play with. So I'd hope that even if they do streamline, Digimon keeps up the variety in spinoffs as well so that people that love Digimon but don't like the main series for whatever reason can stay invested as well.
Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat. I don't want the franchise to stagnate. Also as Digimon keeps its variety I'm good.
i agree pokemon has kinda gotten stale in the mainline games
there are great fangames tho and most of them capture the old pokemon charm
I like never knowing what to get with digimon. Please no more adventure spin offs and establishing a main line. The best part of digimon is the experimentation even if it doesn't always execute well.
Luckily pokemon has new fangames coming out often.
Digimon Anime > Pokemon Anime. I'm a huge fan of both however as an adult and I can understand the story better I feel like the Digimon Stories are more fleshed out, also it is so cool Seeing Taichi (Tai) grow up and bond with Agumon over the years. For Games, I love Pokemon slightly more but wished they had had more spinoffs or tried more things. I love Pokemon, Pokemon Colleseum, and I wish we had a mainline entry evolve into something else. I love Digimon games but I would also like them to calm it down and give us stuff that works, How about a Digimon World 1 remake or Sequel since I enjoyed the raising aspect.
Even as a kid I always preferred the Digimon anime to pokemon, since ash never felt like he got anywhere whereas the Digimon characters actually aged
True about anime but game is opposite. True, Digimon game aged well but they just doesn't make it fun to play just like RPG quest game but make it 10 Times back tracking 😑.
Nah never, Ash vs Leon, Cynthia , Paul, etc Digimon is straight dogshit in comparison I can't believe people even liked you're comment in agreement of incorrectness 😂
Bruh Angemon vs Devimon slaps, Leomon vs Beelzemon, wargreymon and imperialdramon vs black war greymon, gallantmon vs beelzemon, omnimon vs alphamon
I love pokemon but it pales in anime quality to digimon
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@@AL-nv4gkSome of us prefer an actual story where characters grow as people then just battle scenes.
I feel like a thing that's largely missed is that Digimon DOES have a main series. It's the V-pet tomogachis. Everything else is a spinoff which I guess got widely more popular over here than everywhere else.
So ideally, if you wanted to treat digimon like pokemon, you should be looking at the v-pets instead of video games but nobody would ever anyway since everything else is so much more popular for the gamer demographic
I just bought two Digimon X devices from Amazon, but it was pretty difficult.
There's no official store in this country, so I had to resort to Amazon purchase.
The advice I'd give is to watch the first show, and then go into Digimon Cybersleuth if you came from Pokemon, or go with Digimon World 1 if you liked the Tamagotchi aspect or if one has certain other interests there's probably the best first game for each type to get into Digimon.
honestly it may be easier to start with digimon next order for tamagochi cause its newer and a bit easier to finish without guides
Yes, her video was super accurate. The best game to start off with has to be Cyber Sleuth > World DS > World 3. Digimon has games in nearly every genre and it is 100% an issue. When a PKMN fan wants to play Pokemon they know what to expect but the inconsistencies in Digimon make being a long time fan hard. We've been asking for a World 3-like game forever and all we've gotten were Diablo Hack-n-slash, Racing, Beatem'ups, Tamogatchi sims, Visual Novels, MMOs, Mobile Games and half this crap never saw a western release.
The series needs consistency and needs to ask fans what they want instead of doing whatever they feel like. The series is not in a good place. They won't make half the money back from Survive because it was in development hell but mainly because no one asked for that. Sheesh, when ppl gravitate towards your Traditional RPGs best that should say everything.
Well, I would hope they made money off of Survive, I'd not mind another game like it. And I'm not exactly a VN fan.
Also it can be argued that the issue isn't, nowadays, Digimon being too inconsistent with games, moreso there just not being as many as Pokemon's.
I'm glad fnas aren't too upset by jaiden's video.
At least the fandom is getting SEEN now....
i respect digimon for doing whatever they feel like. asking the fans what they want never ends well considering the fans don't all have the same opinion (i've never seen people bring up world 3 at length before so i'm not sure who "we" is) and most people just tend to want more of the same. the rpgs have a place in the franchise but as much as i love dawn/dusk i'd rather not be fed the same gruel for the rest of eternity--the old games already exist, we really don't need 70 iterations of the same formula year after year.
yeah, there's a reason why pokemon has made the exact same game over and over again for 25 years, but there's also a reason why the community has become borderline cultish both in its favor and against it. stagnation is a slow acting poison.
I think it doesn't help that Jaiden, who was looking to get into the franchise but ALSO make content out of her experience, doesn't have exactly the same needs/goals as somebody just looking to play. She turns down Cyber Sleuth, despite admitting she thinks she'd enjoy it on her own time, because it wouldn't make a good video (arguable, but probably fair). I truly think Digimon World (or Next 0rder or Re:Digitize or whatever, would work best for her videos, but how does that mesh with her preferred style of gameplay? Complicates things.
Overally totally agree with the points you both made though
that's a good point actually, some games aren't as good for condensed video content, so i can understand her point. I still think cybersleuth would've made for a good video for her tho.
I got into Digimon this year via the TCG and honestly I feel it's the easiest way to get in, as well as the first 2 short movies to give a sorta context behind what's what
While Digimon is hard to get into with its myriad of genres, it ironically also makes the franchise easy to enter imo. BECAUSE the genres of games vary wildly, if someone likes that certain genre they'll easily come in. Started with the wrong game happened to some people I know as well. Some liked it right away, some tried another game and only started to enjoy it there and the rest simply decided they didn't enjoy the game they played and dipped
If Tamagochi is your niche, then it's World, ReDigitize (emulator) und the bracelets you need.
If RPG is your niche, then it's DW3, Adventure PSP (emulator) and the Story games you need.
I'm not dissing on Jaiden, but you can't call her research fruitful if she ended up on a Sequel game that demands you to know the previous game.
Given, Cyber Sleuth is also a Sequel game in essence since it has things from ReDigitize, Dusk & Dawn and DS World game, making it a mixed bag, but you don't require to have played these previous games for context unlike with what she ultimately choose.
She would miss out on some Easter Eggs but like I said, you can play the game safely without the need to recognize them.
I don't know what the people she asked for help said to her but they weren't useful at all (...why Twitter...nothing helpful comes from that place...), which can easily be seen by them not realizing that Jaiden is a beginner.
The best choice she could have made, was to ask a Digituber for help. Just like how a Poketuber needs to know their stuff to make their content, the same applies to the Digitubers. Since she's a prominent figure on TH-cam Jaiden would have found worth here and could have spared herself from diving into a bad decision...
I really hope that she decides to try out Cyber Sleuth(s) in the future and then, AND JUST THEN, chooses the World games if she feels like it. That's at least what I as a long-term Digimon player would recommend to every Pokémon player if they want to make a step into the Digimon Games world.
Not exactly sequels more sidequels
They still require knowledge from the previous game
Technically the "main series" of digimon games is the virtual pets. Everything- the anime, the video games, the tcg, etc- is viewed by Bandai Namco as a commercial to sell those vpet toys. This is the core reason why digimon is the way it is. Remember, when it began it was just supposed to be "tamagotchi for boys" and as far as corporate's concerned that's what it still is. With pokemon, it's the core video game series that everything else is designed to funnel you towards which is why it's so easy to get into. For digimon to have something similar it would require a radical shift in what Bandai Namco sees as the core product line of digimon, and I don't see that ever happening.
I sort of agree with Jaiden but I feel the fact that she didn't want to do Cyber Sleuth is what the real issue was tbh.
She didn't want to play it as content for her channel which is fine! But when Cyber Sleuth is widely seen as 'the best game' and a good entry point for most people she did make things a lot harder.
It's like asking everyone what the second best entry point in a franchise is and theyre always more hotly debaited than the best in a franchise IMO.
My friend was like "Dawn is a horrible game to start as someone who knew nothing about Digimon, Digimon world DS or Cyber Sleuth would have been better because they explain stuff better." when I told him Jaiden started with Dawn
The thing with Digimon is that it is far too different to Pokemon to just expect a certain thing. The whole history of how it got popular is super different. The games are obviously a bad place to start with the series, though yes, a tutorial would be a good thing for the games. The anime is by far the most agreed actual starting point. I like how everyone loves the anime or at least agrees it is the best starting point.
yes the anime is amazing lol
I think one problem is the Pokemon ARE the games. The anime is popular but... most adults don't talk about the anime often or watch it at all. It's all about the games. Versus Digimon is, arguably, the opposite. All digimon fans seem to watch all of the animes and the games are like filler in-between shows/episodes or a way to play with your favorite digimon. The approach to the franchise as a fan is completely opposite
@@Pravanul Yeah. I mean, the Pokemon Anime was watched a lot in the earlier seasons but less so gradually until around the Black and White Anime where a lot of people fell off the Anime. But Digimon had the same thing with falling off kind of after Digimon Frontier. I know Data Squad still aired but the Digimon Anime's popularity in America definitely waned heavily. But yeah, in terms of what is best to start with, Pokemon is the games and Digimon is the First Three Seasons of the Anime. Though for both there are tons of additional stuff all over that are cool. Cards, the OG Digivice pets and those odd, small Pokemon things like the Pokewalker, or that one Pokemon device from the 1990's that I forget the name of. These two multimedia franchises are honestly quite a bit deeper to dive into than just games or Anime, especially when you get into stuff from Japan. But then again, Japan has a ton of stuff for even franchises or anything else from America that teaches them to the point of ridiculousness. No one ever asked for Takoyaki flavor (which I think is a meat dish or at the very least opposite of what soda should taste like) Ramune Soda probably until Japan made it exist. Not one person probably thought to flip the roles of a food vendor car until Japan made Car vending machines. But I like it that way kind of. It's honestly impressive the creativity there, even if some of the things there make me question who could have ever come up with something and thought it was going to break the bank.
@@robxholicfoxyfan8552 I wouldn't say the popularity waned in Savers. Heck, Frontiers was a controversial season when it aired that split the community in two. And a lot of fans watched and enjoyed Savers. But Digimon became a true niche around Savers, arguably, so that's probably what you saw
no hate towards jaiden but i feel like a big problem was that digimon games are hard and she needed to finish it fast so she could pump out a youtube video about it asap to the point she hacked her game to finish it faster.
The reason i enjoyed digimon world dawn as a kid was because i could take my time learning how to traverse the mazes and beat the bosses.
But for Jaiden it was half she genuinely wanted to get into the franchise, and half it was literally part of her job to beat it quickly.
Lastly digimon games are better when you're familiar with the show so you know what to expect and which digimon to invest in.
(Jaiden didn't even know that digimon talked!)
Like i could confidently say "Imperialdramon Platinum Mode was good in the movie so i'm definitely gonna aim for that one."
While a new fan doesn't have any digimon in mind to aim for.
I hope she gets to play the Cyber Sleuth games though because those are my favorites.
I'm of the mind that while I agree that making a current series or a new series be the "mainline" entry point will definitely make it more streamlined and easier to get into, I also have some reservations for what that would look like going forward.
I guess to be honest, I don't want Digimon to become a series like Pokemon. I've seen some comments say the same thing. I think the core of that comes from how far the games has drifted away from certain aspects that a small, yet visible portion of have become jaded about the series. I always liked that Digimon tired and did things differently, even if it didn't work out they saw that the dedicated people were there to see it through to the next project.
I can already kind of see the "Pokemon-ifcation" already slipping into the current reboot project, namely the new animes being the Adventure Reboot and the currently airing Ghost Game. At first I really liked the shows but has slowly lost interest because of it basically becoming like every other toycentric franchise show. Don't misunderstand me, I know these shows were always trying to sell you stuff but what made Digimon different was how raw they could get at times. They really wrote to the level of the audience having the kids go though situations that were tough yet relatable. The current stuff is just monster of the week, nothing matters except one tiny little part in the episode that's leading to what they want you to believe is one big mystery or event but it really isn't all that interesting. I might feel more strongly about this because I found that the core interest of Digimon stems from the animes more then anything else and outside of animation I can't say anything in that department outshines shows from the the start to end of the 2000s.
Overall I think as long as Bandi are willing to promote the series and show they're committed to bringing products world wide, the series can only get more popular, thus make more money. If that eventually leads to the series losing its identity then I'll just move and hope the new age of fans enjoy.
I'm one of those people. I would rather Digimon stay being at most semi-popular and have innovative / a variety of games than for it to be like Pokemon. Pokemon is Pokemon. Digimon needs to be able to step out from its shadow and stand alongside it with its own merit instead of copying what "works". If Digimon makes a decent game but with better graphics than Pokemon SV it would stand a very good chance of properly coming back as a game franchise worldwide
But that makes it hard for new people to join. And that’s an issue -
@@ieshareath1191 I understand that and my point still stands. I want Digimon to keep its identity and not because a stagnated series like Pokemon has. My views have only grown stronger with the release of Scarlet & Violet. They can't even get optimized games out anymore. The issue with increased fan interest is the ability to keep up with that interest. People are going to want more games out if they go that route since games are a lot more accessible compared to anime. Last thing I want is a Digimon series being made yearly for it to eventually stagnate because of the "need" for games like the Pokemon franchise as warped people into believing every year.
If they do go that route they need a rotating system of series between the Story, World, Survive/SRPG(What ever they call this half), so that the development teams have time to fully innovate and create POLISHED experiences. That's going to take a lot of money and the way Bandi currently handles Digimon along with other series doesn't bold well.
I'm up for it if they can pull it off but I'm also being honest on the possibility of certain outcomes. My hope is if they can have more people interested in the series eventually but if it leads to unpolished products and a fundamental change in what makes Digimon, "Digimon" then I'm happy moving on from it.
Also to add, Digimon games are a mixed bag as they already are, so they'll have to really focus on making higher quality products.
Pokémon often has situations where the characters are in tough but relatable scenarios. I mean, the plot of Sun and Moon is about two kids fleeing from an abusive parent, and the nature of what makes a family. People dismissed the game as being for babies because it was tutorial heavy, but the story was the mature game that people have clamored for!
@@BJGvideos Black and White (2) and Arven's route + final story before credits in Scarlet and Violet are phenomenal as well. Tbh SV had good-amazing stories; it just sucks the performance is ass.
You know what's probably the best way to enter digimon? The digivice, literally just the core of the franchise, no big learning curves, simple mechanics, you get a digi friend and go on an adventure fighting digi foes.
I love how this video dissects a video without throwing a tantrum. I get so annoyed when some hyper fan jumps into calling xyz a r* for starting on a supposed wrong title and how they just don’t get it. Bravo 👏
lol thanks, believe it or not, a lot of my videos end up controversial because i'm not the type to just fully take one side on a broad topic. I try to see everyone's point of view and come to my own :P
You're 100% correct about the western fans having to carry the series here.
Just earlier this month I got an official Bandai ad on TH-cam for digimon vital. Only they weren't using the branding or terminology at all, they just called it vital hero or something, while clearly displaying a digimon on the bracelet.
Bandai thinks the west is so unwilling to touch digimon that they'd rather try to trick people into buying a like, 60 dollar vpet than tell them what it is.
-a nerd with too many x vpets.
I had a similar experience to Jaiden, I watched a ton of reviews for older Digimon games, and I was going to play one of the DS ones, but for lack of free time I couldn't play it, but damn, it was a struggle to know where to begin and which game would give me a great experience with how many people recommend a game and an equally large group of people say it is bad.
My only problem with Jaiden's video is that she states at the beginning that there's no consensus on what is the best Digimon game to start with, but at the end she says that a lot of people agreeing that Cyber Sleuth is the best one and decided to ignore it and play a game that most people like because o nostalgia, not because it's actually good.
I know it's not a traditional game, but would the digivices be considered the main series games?
I don't know if stuff like Tomagachi, or digital pet devices count as video games. They seem to be put in the toy labeling, but it's not like we had pet simulator games on game systems before.
Cybersleuth is a fun one. It reignited my love for it. I mean, i get to (painfully) slowly work myself to get my childhood favourite Omegamon, only yo realise he is garbo in the game so i start to love other Digimon instead like Alphamon.
My only nitpick with them declaring a main series is that it couldn't be World(Because they are not consistent with eachother) and so would result in a fandom that remains open just tearing itself apart. Just look at the Star Wars franchise ever since Disney declared most of the really cool stuff "not canon".
Digimon Survive was my first game and I loved it.
Same lol like I played a couple digimon games when I was a tiny kid but never got super into it until survive. Its the first one I finished
I’ve sort of been wanting to get back into the Digimon series too. As a kid I actually loved the first two anime series more than Pokémon, but never got a chance to get into the games. A couple years ago I tried one of the games, I don’t remember what it was called but it was a 3D game that had sims-like elements of you having to take care of your digimon’s needs? I liked the idea but their needs dropped so quickly though that I never felt like I could properly explore the world and ended up feeling frustrated. I really like games where I can take my time and explore; I grew up with a lot of older JRPG’s (Final Fantasy 1-6, Chrono Trigger, etc) and I prefer turn-based battles where I can stop and think, but I’m not against more action-y gameplay. I really love a solid story with well-written characters; if I had to choose I’d take janky gameplay with a great story over fun mechanics but a story I can’t get into (or a situation like Fire Emblem where I’m awful at strategizing but I love the story and characters enough that I’ll struggle through it anyway). I’m totally fine with emulating and patching japanese-exclusive games to have an English fan-translation, I’ve done that kind of stuff before. Digimon is just a series with so much history I don’t really know where to begin, and last time I tried I ended up with a game that didn’t really click with me.
There isn't really a big question what the root of Digimon games are. It was a tamagatchi type thingy.. So i would say the moster training focused ones are the core.. But far from the easiest entry point. Despite many (like me) starting with digimon world for the Playstation, and not understanding anything 😅
Not just "a tamagatchi type thingy" it literally started as the sister brand to Tamagotchi but aimed at boys. The term you were looking for is V-pet or virtual pet
Having grown up with both, I think the two different approaches to how the games are produced are very indicative of the way that the fundamental mindset behind how creatures evolve in Pokemon vs. Digimon. Not that one is necessarily better than the other, but each will appeal to different types.
Pokemon has a solid mainline core of games that have few spinoffs. And the Pokemon have very set and rigid evolution paths. It was meant to be based on animal growth and development/evolution with the Pokemon serving as pets. It focuses on clear and measurable progress. That rigid structure and formulaic approach make a hugely consistent experience for gameplay overall, but it can feel stifling if you want other ways to enjoy it.
Contrasting that is the Digimon series that has tried a number of different gameplay approaches, stories, and genres. Digimon by design don't have a fixed, specific digivolution path and instead serve as mirrors for the growth and development of their partners and that bond. It is based on potential and a wide range of possibilities. It retains the core of "I'm Digimon!" while exploring which makes for the variance in experience that gives many different opportunities to find something you love.
Great analysis
I like Digimon, I don't understand any of it, but I like it.
I find the cardgame and anime to be the best points of entry.
The anime seems to be clear enough to understand without much effort
And the story is engaging even if you don't fully understand what's happening.
The card game on the other hand is easy to learn
And has a very modern design philosophy (unlike the big 3).
Edit: also the Digimon TCG really mastered the lore through game mechanics aspect. Whereas the big 3, Yu-Gi-Oh especially, struggle to incorporate that. Meaning that it's a better entry point for Digimon than its Pokémon counterpart.
Glad Karn Ex is being mentioned!
Id say if your a pokemon fan cyber sleuth is the best game to start off with
World is a more monster rancher esq series where stories is a rpg monster collector where things ultimately are very similar to pokemon
I definitely think cyber sleuth is the best to get into the games as there the easiest barrier to entry rn
Here's where we just get a bunch of youtubers who play a singular franchise of taming game like pokemon,digimon,temtem or heck smt(it counts in my opinion) and get them to play Jade Cocoon 1 or 2(personal choice would be 2) and see how each person from each franchise reacts just as a bit of fun haha.
Plus anytime I can boost general knowledge of the Jade Cocoon franchise I will lol
Cybersleuth is what got me into the game fandom after only watching the first two anime series back in the 90s and that one terrible Smash Bros clone on the PS3 (I paid $10 dollars too much for it, and I got it for $5; fortunately I got the excellent JoJo's Bizarre Adventure fighting game for the PS3 in that same sale).
I wouldn't necessarily give a guide for getting into Digimon, other than to just pick the most beloved options of the whole media (because digimon isn't mainly a videogame franchise. The main appeal is equally anime and games) and understand what you would and what people do like about it. There aren't really a lot of plot connections between games and anime so the entry point can be whatever as long it's not a sequel. You will get an experience from whatever you pick anyway.
If I'd make a guide for Digimon, it would be that you start watching anime from Digimon adventure (1999), 02 and tamers just to get a grasp of the series' tone, and after that just pick whatever is the most praised stuff. There's not really a game that isn't enjoyable, other than the 1st Digimon world game which doesn't hold your hand at all and overall is considered a bit of a mess so it can be quite a non-friendly experience for 1st time casually, but when you understand the game, it's honestly really good.
....I kinda wish they made a new Digimon World Championship game, I really loved how simple it was and how much it was as if they turned the little handheld digivises into an actual game.
I totally understand having a hard time getting into Digimon games. I've always loved both Digimon and Pokémon, with the Digimon anime always having an edge on the Pokémon one - but when it comes to console gaming: I'm not a gamer, I own ONE plattform (the only time we had more than one was when Singstar was big on the PS2) and that's usually a Nintendo system as my sis and me started gaming on the Gameboy Color, with Pokémon yellow edition as our first game. I was so happy when I found out that the Cybersleuth games both got ports to my Switch 🥰
On your point about Bandai not caring to advertise the games, it’s generally just to a Western audience. If you live in the US, you barely get anything digimon related. We’re missing out on a ton of games, a ton of merchandise, a ton of experiences. It’s gotten better over the years but Japan is their main audience and focus.
I still don't know how to feel about Digimon as a series, and I've only played Cyber Sleuth (And Hacker's Memory of course, but I've also not beaten HM yet since I was kinda a bit burnt out after finishing the main game). Its got a solid core design and some decent set up but it's plot feels like at times it has a hard time following through. As a game its among a breed I don't think I could give some kind of numerical rating to, but I do feel better calling "sequel worthy" (games like Astral Chain fall under this distinction as well) because I'd definitely feel positive about all of its elements being learned from and turned up to 11. A bit of focus can go a long way with a series.
From my perspective, as someone who jumped into the games with Dusk, I could attest that it was expecting you to know the mechanics from the previous game. I never really came back into Digimon games until the mobile games before settling on Cyber Sleuth’s port for the Switch, which felt way easier to follow than Dusk and Dawn.
Heh, funny that some say Digimon World is the main series, when even that series, changed from game to game what type of game system it uses.
World 1- Tamagotchi Type
World 2- Dungeon Crawler
World 3- Random Encounter
World 4- Hack n Slash
Then there's like the PSP game that you mentioned that the other person mentioned, which I think is RE:Digitized or something or that one is the PSVita remaster I'm not sure, I only really played the first 4 world games a bit, but that PSP game is I think like World 1 akin to a Tamagotchi Style again.
Then we have the Digimon Stories, which I only know Cyber sleuth of, and that's 3vs3 Pokemon style with Random Encounters like World 3(2 was also 1-3vs1-3)
We can't forget about Digimon Rumble Arena 1 and 2 because of course Digimon needs to have it's own Battle Game, I think they also made a 3rd game, but I don't think it's as good as the other two.
Then we have two versions of the Digimon TCG, the old original one, and then the new one that's quite cheap to get into and popular.
The Tamagotchi are still going strong as well, with anniversary editions of the old devices coming out too.
It's a multimedia franchise which Bandai Namco is kind throwing stuff against the wall and not even seeing what sticks, I feel like.
They just hand out licenses to people who sound like they have a plan and then we get a new Digimon game, what kind of game it is, is really up to chance.
Like with World 4 who would've guessed that is going to be a Hack n Slash, a quite basic one at that.
As you said, I also hope that they figure out something of a Structure to their Mainline System of sorts, but maybe now that this whole Series seems to be getting an upsurge in Popularity and new games coming out, they will be more keen to take up consumer feedback as well.
Habu Digimon Director himself said multiple times that both Story AND World are considered main series. World series now only includes games that have Tamagotchi Type gameplay like Digimon World (1999), Digimon World Re:Digitize (2011) and Digimon World: Next Order (2015) .
@@rafalb692 oh good to know,
I've only played cybersleuth because it was on sale, it was fun. I like the evolution mechanics and I had my friends pick which way they've evolve when it was an unseen evolution. (mostly good results, and a locomon. 😢 I wanted the cool wasp ranger one)
I still struggle when people tell me the best way to get into a game series is by watching an anime. I want to love digimon games so badly but they are all so grindy or too complex I guess for my brain to have fun with the challenge.
Theres a digimon fighting game if you like Digimon Rumble Arena is more of a fighting game than rpg. Theres no grinding thou limited digimons but you can unlock some digimons and well its not complex as its a fighting game.
To be fair Cyber Sleuth, of all the RPG's I've played, has the most grind friendly setup I've seen, provided you have the right stuff. Not many RPGs offer a means to just eliminate random battles, let alone a free one, and if you do want to grind, why run in circles when you can just summon one? EXP? Well, it will require some save scumming and grinding but there are certainly ways to massively speed up leveling there.
@@RippahRooJizah well Cyber Sleuth does fix the issues that Dawn and Dusk have so they learn from Dawn and Dusk and made Cyber Sleuth Better.
Digimon isn't a game series. It has a game sub section of a multimedia franchise. If anything the main Digimon thing is the virtual pets.
As someone who hasn't gone back to play all the digimon games. I love cyber slueth and its sequel hackers memory and I'd love more games like them. On the flip side I absolutely despite Digimon world next order and Survive isn't the type of game I'd be super interested in because its a visual novel. The tactical stuff I'd love but I'm normally not to hyped to sit through 10 hours of dialogue per fight without having a way to interact with the game beyond 'press A'.
Digimon's strength is also its weakness. Every game is different so if you aren't into multiple genres and can just love digimon for the sake of digimon on its own you'll struggle to stay with the franchise long term, and only poke your head in occasionally. Doesn't help they don't advertise the shit properly. I almost didn't realize cyber sleuth was a thing until I ran into it just looking for stuff to try at gamestop and picked it up. I love it and STILL almost missed hackers memory, which I like even more, because again, I ran into it just browsing gamestop for something to do. Bandai sucks.
I'm getting to this a year late but Bandai/Toei's relaunch in 2020 was trying to fix this issue - and I think the succeeded and the best possible starting point for someone coming in raw is to watch the Digimon Aventure 2020 anime. The first 3-4 episodes of that show seem to have been specifically crafted to give you a basic overview of the concept of Digimon.
Been a Digimon Videogame fan for 20 yearsish, played through Digimon Story and Digimon World Titles on the PSX, DS, PSP and PS4. Digimon World 3 was my entry point and is probably the best balance of charming and simple enough to entice newcomers with gameplay and RPG Elements. Having Three base starters and 6 additional optional base Digimon you can recruit makes the game more easily understood than grappling with hundreds or thousands of Digimon locked through systems of Breeding, Scanning or Digivolution. My two cents worth.
Thank you for focusing in on this! I agree that Digimon games need to pick one coherent genre for their "mainline" titles and stick with it to give an easier and more consistent onboard point for newcomers. Even if it doesn't appeal to long-time Digimon fans, more fans being able to enter the community is almost always a net positive.
I've stated before, but it bears repeating that the Pokemon franchise has amazing games, but mediocre anime that has admittedly gotten better in recent iterations. While the Digimon franchise has amazing anime, but mediocre games that have admittedly gotten better in recent iterations. As such, the anime are going to be the "optimal" onboarding point for anyone trying to get into Digimon.
That said, since Digimon as an overall franchise is a lot more character-driven and narrative-focused than Pokemon, recent iterations like Cyber Sleuth that optimize that experience are going to be the choice onboarding points from the game perspective. Jaiden originally dismissed Cyber Sleuth for being very Persona 5-ish, but that's kinda the _point._ As Jaiden also observed, unlike Pokemon, Digimon talk - and they often have a lot to say about the greater narrative. Pikachu (usually) isn't a relevant character and doesn't actively interact with the the plot in most Pokemon games, but Agumon is and does.
If you think about it Pokemon and Digimon have similar number of game types as they do story types. The Pokemon anime has been following Ash for the past 20+ years on his journey that can be followed from the day he got Pikachu to the World Champion, meanwhile the Digimon anime gets a new story every few years with a new cast of characters and world mostly unconnected from previous ones (I say mostly cause the original series was basically a tv show in Tamers).
My recommendation is this one. don't play any digimon game released before 2011. If prople like them it's just because of nostalgia. Objectively those games are just bad.
You can play any Habu kazumasa title (digimon world re digitize decode (2015), aventure psp (2013), cyber sleuth (2015), hacker's memory (2017) or survive (2022)) and say the game was either good, decent or just ok, but never a bad game.
He didn' produce next order btw, he just was in charge of the port.
About jaiden's statement, I don't agree with any world she said, she based her entire experience in the franchise with one of the worst game in existence implying every game except cyber sleuth is bad.
I agree with her assessment of how the franchise handles the games. I tried to play a PS1 title that belonged to my cousin (we were both kids with several age difference), and boy was I lost. I was going into the game thinking "Yes, now my precious Kuromon would digivolve to Agumon just like in the anime." Only, he didn't turn into Agumon, he turned into Bakkumon that bed sheet wearing paralysis demon that haunts graveyards.😐 I was not fully aware of branch digivolutions and how to implement them in the games.
Wasn't hard to convert my friends and cousins. I told em to watch Digimon Frontier (3) and had them play World Next Order on ps4. Digimon Semi AI combat is the best. World series are probably mainline.
I always felt the cyber sleuth games was a good entry point that how I got my gf into it
So far I’ve played Digimon World Championship/Dawn/Dusk, Digimon World: Next Order, Cybersleuth/Hacker’s Memory, and Survive. Imo, Cybersleuth/Hacker’s memory is the easiest when it comes to both combat and Evolution. The type matchups are more noticeable and easier to learn, and you have more control over how to digivolve your Digimon compared to Next Order, making it not as much of a grind as Next Order. Survive is more of a story/narrative game.
The best entry point into Digimon tho for new potential fans? The anime. Best part is that it really doesn’t matter which one you start with either. Since each series has their own twist and story, although Digimon 1-2 and Tamers are somewhat tied together.
I do agree with Jaiden, it’s so hard to get into Digimon video games and even define what it is.
I don’t even know what the main series is, there’s like five different answers. 😅
I would honestly love it if survive's sort of tactical rpg/visual novel blend became the basis for new digimon games (though if that happened I would really like the split to be a bit less weighted towards the visual novel part)
I mean, a Visual novel should be a Visual novel.
@@RippahRooJizah If we're saying things in the most uncharitable way possible, I would also prefer my game to have gameplay
@@SeraSmiles I mean, one could get into the weeds about how a Visual Novel does contain some gameplay, much like a text adventure were also considered games.
I am trying Cyber Sleuth first because it is more similar with others games I know, so will be more confortable to enter. I txperiment with Digimon World Dawn (and vanilla on the DS) and had a bad experience with both, not going much far before giving up.
With Pokémon... They have had side games all the way back to the Gameboy (pinball and tcg spring to mind as very old side games within Pokémon... But Snap and Mystery Dungeon are better examples) but it was always clear what "mainline" Pokémon was... Digimon has had elements kept across but from my mostly outside of the video games experience (mostly experienced Digimon from anime and the ancient virtual pet digivices way way back) it has been quite jarring how much changes every anime & game to the point where them more recently going back to the basics has been refreshing...
I think there's some experience bias here. To a newcomer to Pokemon, it's a monumental task to choose where to start and HOW to get there. Why do I state this?
- Before even starting you have to answer:
- Which console and which generation?
- Which version do want to play as depending on the generation you'll either experience a different team but the most important part is which version exclusives there are.
- So let's say the answer to the first question is the 3DS-era of games because of how widely available the 3DS is and how easily you can obtain one of the games from that generation.
- You have a fair few choices to suggest:
- XY, which are functionally similar to the original games, and are a great introduction to the series, some might argue against this, but it's not complicated, the map is rather linear, and generally has a focused story and doesn't allow the player to meander too much. It's very directed.
- ORAS, which are the remakes of Ruby and Sapphire. Although these are great introductions aswell, they are far more complicated, with a map design that has given some players headaches due to it's complexity. There's also Super Contests which can be avoided by new players as it's a side activity but can easily take time away from what matters, which is the core design of the series. These games get even more complicated later on when it carries over Mega Evolutions without much of a reason other than XY did it, which can confuse a new player, as to which mons can and cannot do it, which is why I would suggest XY.
- Sun & Moon and USUM.. I wouldn't suggest these at all. Actually, furthest from a suggestion, I'd say wait until you've played a few games before starting, as these are nearly totally different games in so many ways I don't have the space to explain that here.
- But wait, there's more.. USUM, SM, ORAS, XY, RSE, HGSS, BW/BW2, RGBY, GSC, what the fuck is with all of these acronyms? You expect a new player to know what any of this means? Let alone EVs, IVs, the difference between HM and TM moves, etc etc, I could go on and on, there's also certain games where TMs are limited, and HM moves are permanently in a mon's move set and cannot be replaced, then there's all this other insane jazz that we've been SO ACCUSTOMED TO, THE KEYWORD BEING "ACCUSTOMED TO", that a new player would be incredibly confused by if they just jumped head first into a random mon game.
See I didn't even answer the second question because then I'd have to explain Trade Evolutions and the fact that they might have to buy two consoles and both games for that process if they don't have friends who play or are social enough to ask people only to help them get those Trade Evos.
Yeah, coming into Pokemon can feel DAUNTING. There is a massive WALL between you and actually getting into this series that we absolutely don't acknowledge. That's not even talking about all the new mechanics introduced in every game and then subsequently removed in the next one. But yeah, it's not simple just jumping into a long running franchise, that feels like an obvious answer to an even more simpler question. Yeah, I think Cyber Sleuth is likely the best jumping on point if you just don't care about everything else, and just want a fun RPG. It's how I got back into the series after being gone since I was a teenager (which was nearly 13 years ago, mind you I hoped into CS when it came out some years ago).
As a fan of the Digimon anime just getting into the games, I have been enjoying Next Order a lot.
I like Digimon a lot, but I do think it is hard to get into the fandom. I got into it around 2020 with Cyber Sleuth. And then I started collecting the TCG cards. I honestly love the Digimon cards and prefer them over Pokémon cards. Quality control is better with Digimon cards and they just seem higher quality in general. But anyways, I plan on playing more Digimon games soon
I got around well, the time the first anime came out on my country XD, so intriduced by anime, and then digimon world. Yes games are very much rough, all of them, all seems different and stuff. I'd prefer poking someone to look at anime first, then ask whatt kind of games they like, and THEN try to steer them into digimon, but guess cyber sleuth seems the most polished and widely avaiable one at the time.
I got in when I was like 4-5 years old watching FoxKids
I personally recommend Digimon World DS as a starting point
Agreed. It would also fit her checklist better
I am scared for good pokemon games and not that big of a visual novel fan but I still bought survive because I want more digimon games
I had the same issue getting into Digimon. Cyber Slueth was a great starting game.
Still wish there was a modern Digimon RPG that played like cyber slueth, but took place in the digiworld. I would play digimon world, but I don't want to deal with literal shit.
Adventure PSP? I mean, might be the closest you will get.
@@RippahRooJizah sadly only released in japan
Watched her video yesterday abs I completely agree, but would recommend the cybers for her
I am not a Digimon fan but I just wanted to say a few years ago I watched a few episodes from Digimon Fusion and stopped for some reason, but I thought it was good and that theme song was awesome. The reason I can't get into Digimon is because I am not interested in battle card RPG games and is why I find Pokemon more fun to play.
Battle Card RPG games? Digimon only had a couple card video games.
@@RippahRooJizah Oh whoops, my bad
I wonder how Digimon would do as an action JRPG as the final fantasy franchise is going? I just think that having it break the mold of turn based rpg titles might help it. DOn't get me wrong, I like rpgs, but I want to see it become its own identity; that and it being an action jrpg would help it define itself when compared to Pokemon.
That would be cool. Maybe combining it with the usual training.
Personally what made me get into digimon was my friend. Fairly recently he suggested I play digimon cybersleuth because, in his opinion, it was closest to a traditional pokemon game. Now I just can not get enough of the franchise!
I’m late in this, my thing with digimon is, and this is coming from the v-pet community because for me, training and care for your digimon is where the game should be (not knocking the rpg games, i think their okay in their own rights) I got digimon world 1 in middle school and still have my original copy and enjoy the heck out of it, i was pissed when digimon world re digitize for psp or 3ds never released in the US and happily bought the ps4 version of next order. I love the raising and training of the digimon, and this should be where the games should focus on, because this is how digimon got it started is a battle v-pet. I still play the v-pets and join a community who welcome those into the v-pet hobby, and we’re excited when Bandai is still releasing the vpets and trying to bring them in the west again.
I love that the digimon world dawn/dusk 2.0 has a Fangmon it's one of my fav digimon. :3
Yeah, when I think of how I grew to love each franchise, it’s very clear to me.
I grew to love Pokémon from the games.
I grew to love Digimon from the anime. Especially the first anime.
When FINAL FANTASY and MONSTER HUNTER have easier jumping in points for Pokémon fans than Digimon does (World of Final Fantasy is so flawed but I love it, and the MH Stories series), it’s a sign the Digimon Franchise needs to recentre what made so many people fall in love with the franchise.
Pokémon is the largest media entity on the planet. You NEED an entry point for people coming from there, it’s just good business.
My first Digimon game was Digimon World Data Squad. I don't remember if I ever beaten it but definitely gotten to the final boss. I loved the game (especially the digivolutions tree) but never watched the anime it was based off of. After that I haven't played a Digimon game until Cyber Sleuth came out.
Yeah as a digimon fan for as long i have been born so 20 years its really hard so identity whats a "good" digimon game i feel its definitely fair what jayden said and about the "digimon needs a mainline game" is so true while world def is like the cloest we have because like karn said digimon always started as tomogachi game i feel the story series also should be a main line while they improve on it because i love both but they need to cut down on the grind thoses game had since legit world 1 in the ps1 days
Digimon has 2 mainine game series, though.
My personal top favorite Digimon games were Cyberslueth, Rumble Arena 2, and World Next Order. Out of all of those the only one I can say would be great for new fans is Rumble Arena just cause you don’t have to know anything going in. Is basically just a Smash clone.
I find weird how this is hard question.
Play Cybersleuth if you want a Turn Based JRPG or play any Digimon World 1, Re Digitize or Next Order if you want a Monster Taming game.
Both are the main series.
Cybersleuth was the one that had the best bait, mainly because of its basic mapping, but abundant gameplay and roster of digimon in the game, most of which I'm somewhat familiar to. I also tried New Order, but that one feels more tedious to a degree. I haven't even completed it to this day.
I have not played a lot of the digimon games, I loved the animes and now the card game. I need to finish survive because it's probably the best digimon experience I can think of
I mean, they do have a "Focal Point", in Digimon World, they started with basically battle tamogotchi, and then made a video game based on that, Digimon World, and while 2-4 tried different style of games, ReDigitize (5) and Next Order (6) returned to the original Digimon World (1) formula, then theres the Story spinoff thats based on Digimon World 3
the first digimon game that i really enjoyed was digimon story ds, while the maps was just as maze like, it doesn't feels like too much, and the story was good too, the second game i played digimon world championship, but mostly as a time killing method the gameplay loop was fun but beyond that there isn't much. the one that i would say make me really hyped was cybersleuth the gameplay was simple enough for me to understand every mechanic and trick to the game, and the story element was really good, it makes me want to invest into the character and their stories, and it make me excited for more to come.
As someone that's been a fan of Digimon since the anime basically started airing here in the the US, I definitely agree that the games the franchise puts out could use something of a mainline series, but I also get why they sort of didn't do that.
Digimon, being based primarily on a virtual pet line, which basically has stayed relatively cohesive in theme and mechanics for the most part since its inception, sort of seems to treat its video games as merely a part of their identity, not their core like Pokemon, so with each game, it seems they go into it with the idea of "what could we do with Digimon" as opposed to "what is Digimon and how do we portray that in a game."
I think Digimon World as a series of games gets the closest to that "what is Digimon" question, as a few of their titles go more into the v-pet style mechanics, but that wasn't the case as early as it's second title in the series, only really going back to that concept it started with DMW1 many years later.
Personally, I feel they've been using a combination of the more recent Digimon World games (the ones that go back to that v-pet style of gameplay) and the Digimon Story games as their sort of core concepts, as the former is closer to the V-Pet concept that Digimon stems from anyway, and the latter almost consistently have gameplay more closely related to Pokemon and similar RPGs. I think if they continue that line of thinking, maybe streamline it a bit between those two properties, that could help a lot, but right now, I definitely get how it feels like a mess.
As far as recent years go, I wouldn't call it a mess. I think people need to keep in mind that there aren't 1-3 Digimon games a year, so what games do come out seem spotty between the few games thare *are* in Digimon mainline game series, and Survive.
Gym Leader Ed Are you excited for Pokémon Scarlet and Pokémon Violet on Friday. Which game will you be playing on the channel, and what starter are you gonna pick? I'm playing Pokémon Scarlet and my starter is of course Fuecoco.
I kinda like having 2 different types of 'main series' games when it comes to digimon with the world and story games. They screwed up the english names with the DS games but aside from that I think they could make the two categories work in parallel. It'd help if there was a site for digimon games thought that listed and categorized the games so the info is easier for people to find.
Yeah those were digimon stories game world is more of a tamagotchi style where you have take the digimons to a bathroom every now and then and they have lifespans
Kind of like how I like that Monster Hunter now has a spin off called Monster Hunter stories where you are a monster rider instead of a monster hunter that is a Turn-based RPG as opposed to the main series's action rpg focus. I can enjoy the world without dying because of ADHD
@@clarehidalgo i have MH stories 1 on my 3ds still havent finished it im close thou i think
There's a Wikipedia article called List of Digimon video games. It even categorizes the World and Story games properly.