Can A Southern Italian Understand Furlan? (Language From Friuli Venezia Giulia)
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Friulian (/friˈuːliən/ free-OO-lee-ən) or Friulan (natively furlan or marilenghe; Italian: friulano; Austrian German: Furlanisch; Slovene: furlanščina) is a Romance language belonging to the Rhaeto-Romance family, spoken in the Friuli region of northeastern Italy. Friulian has around 600,000 speakers, the vast majority of whom also speak Italian. It is sometimes called Eastern Ladin since it shares the same roots as Ladin, but over the centuries, it has diverged under the influence of surrounding languages, including German, Italian, Venetian, and Slovene. Documents in Friulian are attested from the 11th century and poetry and literature date as far back as 1300. By the 20th century, there was a revival of interest in the language.
History
Historical flag of Friûl and the Friulian people.
A question that causes many debates is the influence of the Latin spoken in Aquileia and surrounding areas. Some claim that it had peculiar features that later passed into Friulian. Epigraphs and inscriptions from that period show some variants if compared to the standard Latin language, but most of them are common to other areas of the Roman Empire. Often, it is cited that Fortunatianus, the bishop of Aquileia c. 342-357 AD, wrote a commentary to the Gospel in sermo rusticus (the common/rustic language), which, therefore, would have been quite divergent from the standard Latin of administration.[3] The text itself did not survive so its language cannot be examined, but its attested existence testifies to a shift of languages while, for example, other important communities of Northern Italy were still speaking Latin. The language spoken before the arrival of the Romans in 181 BC was of Celtic origin since the inhabitants belonged to the Carni, a Celtic population.[4] In modern Friulian, the words of Celtic origins are many (terms referring to mountains, woods, plants, animals, inter alia) and much influence of the original population is shown in toponyms (names of villages with -acco, -icco).[5] Even influences from the Lombardic language - Friuli was one of their strongholds - are very frequent. In a similar manner, there are unique connections to the modern, nearby Lombard language.
In Friulian, there is also a plethora of words of German, Slovenian and Venetian origin. From that evidence, scholars today agree that the formation of Friulian dates back to circa 1000 AD, at the same time as other dialects derived from Latin (see Vulgar Latin). The first written records of Friulian have been found in administrative acts of the 13th century, but the documents became more frequent in the following century, when literary works also emerged (Frammenti letterari for example). The main centre at that time was Cividale. The Friulian language has never acquired primary official status: legal statutes were first written in Latin, then in Venetian and finally in Italian.
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You should have called your dad and asked him to speak to you in Furlan. That would be very interesting.
That would be lovely actually!
Some people have internalized linguistic shame. I had to... push a little my relatives to refresh my fading Romagnol.
Si, phone your Papa ☎ like you did your Mama ☎
He said in some other video that his father doesn't really speak Furlan, but his father's brother speaks Furlan natively.
It's all fun and games till people start speaking Cjargnel
(dialect of furlan spoken in the northern mountainous part of Friuli)
Underrated comment.
Considering how many time I have spent at Tolmezzo and north...
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...I could face the opposite problem 😅
Vèr (So true)! And I'm a native speaker...
Vecio nos no fevelant dilaet ma lenghe
Il mio nonno è Friulano e anche se sono canadese, parlo Furlan con lui (scusa che il mio italiano non è perfetto, no so veramente scriverlo ) Thank you for talking about our language :), its getting lost as the older generations dont teach the new ones sadly :( (because of signor president in the first clip lmao) and i hope we can do something to keep this language alive. :D
I married a Friulana so north-east they speak a Slovenian dialect, gorgeous region overall, other than the beaches.
I've just spent a couple of day in Friul between Cividale and San Pietro al Natisone: the distance is only 6 km, but in Cividale-Cividât the road signs are written in Italian and in Furlan, in San Pietro al Natisone - Špiètar are written in Italian and Slovenian (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavia_Friulana)
I am so happy you mention my native almost forgot language.
My great grandmother was able to speak only Furlan, she spoke it so pure and straight that even when I was living there I was confused hearing some uncommon words.
No non puoi devi parlare in Italiano .cit Presidente della Camera .
Hi fellow Friulano descendent!!
Do you know how to learn? I'm from Argentina and my family is from Udine (from my father's side) but they are all dead, and my dad has like a mixed italian and furlan, so I really want to learn
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I hate to be that guy, buuuut Venezia Giulia is a different region from Friuli (culturally speaking), despite being administratively coupled to it (much like Romagna and Emilia). Like, people from Trieste wouldn't refer to themselves as friulani/furlan, but rather as "giuliani" :)
As a catalan speaker I ironically understood the parts you didn't and had a hard time with the ones you did. It definitively has a lot of things in common with catalan, but it's harder than lombard or piedmontese for instance. Tbh I'd say it's harder than italian when spoken (even though it FEELS closer). But when you read aloud the wikipedia article it's a lot easier than italian.
As somebody who speaks some Catalan, Italian and Spanish it reminds me of Catalan, especially when the first speaker said "pense" because it reminded of the typical Valencian.
It seems to be quite close to Occitan too (naturally), the nasal sounds remind me of Niçard
@@ObvsCam93 I only know a bit of Catalan from DuoLingo. It certainly has a similar sound, although I thought more of Romansh.
@@EVPaddy I on the other hand have next to no experience in Romansh besides a few videos on TH-cam 😅
Other people in the comments agree with you and it would make sense based on where the language is spoken
I feel the same about catalan, much easier to understand than Spanish when written, more complicated to understand if spoken.
Wow, I ever only heard about Furlan once, when my grandfather told me stories of when my family came from Italy (Valdagno, Vicenza) to Brazil. The colony they settled on had already some families, most of them were furlan speakers, and I remember my grandpa saying he couldn't understand a thing they said.
As a Croatian who understands a bit of Italian, this to me sounds like a strange mix of what they speak in Istria, Italian and a kind of soft-Portugese-Spanish. I just LOVE these language videos, finding similarities and differences!
You mean Venetian spoken in Istria or Istriot?
The venetian influence is strong, my grandma from my father side is from istria and her dialect is almost identical to the venetian one, to me frulan just sounded like a mix of venetian and spanishish words
@@FlagAnthem I have no idea how it's actually called or if it has a name, I just hear it as some of my friends talk to their parents live or on the phone.
@@SarcastSempervirensIn Norway the teachers of italian evening courses and linguists would use the expression "istro-dalmatisk"(in english istro-dalmatian) about the latinic/roman-like language in minorities of Croatia and Slovenia, but I can't remember how general the label was.
I'm Swiss and this sounds like a more comprehensible version of Romansh to me (I still can't understand much). A video on Romansh would be interesting, since we're already on the Rhaeto-Romance languages.
yes the same family language (Rhaeto-Romance languages), friulano, ladino, romancio
The Raethia diaspora 😊
this would be a great addition to this series. I have recommended Galician/Gallego/Galego and hope he'll give that one a try too.
@@mynameisgiovannigiorgio1027
I thought Ladino was Judeo-Spanish.
@@kekeke8988 Ladino (with the -o at the end in english) is "Judeo-spanish" spoken sparsely around the Mediterranean (mostly in Israel).
Ladin (no -o at the end in English) is the Rhaeto-Romance language spoken in northern Italy (and the surrounding-ish area). This language in Italian *is* called Ladino though.
So...
English "Ladin" = Italian "Ladino"
English "Ladino/ Judeo-Spanish" = Italian "giudeo-spagnolo/ judezmo/ giudesmo"
As a Portuguese speaker with experience in the Venetian dialect, Furlan is very easy to understand. I think is quite accessible, I understood practically everything that was said.
Conversely, my Furlan grandfather told me he could understand most spoken Portuguese and Catalan. 👍
The word "Friuli" comes from "Forum Julii" -the forum of Julius Caesar and when the Germanic tribe of the Longobardi invaded Italy in the 6th century A.D. they made the city of Cividale del Friuli as their capital -Friuli remained as one of their dukedoms but they moved on to Lombardy(named after them) and made Pavia their capital with Milan and Monza as other significant Longobard centers. As a matter of fact for several centuries Italia was no longer called that it was called Longobardia even by the Arabs -an medieval chronicler monk in his own day sadly laments the fact that his country was no longer called Italia.
Angelus satanii!
Which chronicler? Paolo Deacono?
@kaloarepo288 - My mother was Furlane, but I didn't know that "Friuli" comes from "Forum Iulii". Once I was in Cividale with my uncle, we sat in a cafè in front of the statue of Julius Caesar with the inscription "Forum Iulii", I read it (automatically) several times and than said to my uncle: "Forum Iulii - does Friuli come from it?!", and my uncle: "Of course, didn't you know?"
This example proved the point I was making with a comment on another of your videos two weeks ago.
I come from Northern Germany and the regional language(s) a/ dialects that are spoken here (Lower German aka Plattdeutsch in its different varieties) is completely different to the languages a/ dialects spoken in Southern Germany, Austria and the German parts of Switzerland.
I think it’s important to preserve regional differences, such as traditions a/ languages and not to suppress them.
Du hast voll recht. Die varietät Audrücksweisen, die das Schätzen der Varietät regionaler Dialekte und verschiedener Sprachen ermöglicht, bereichert die Welt; es wäre echt schade, die zu verlieren. Das erinnert mich an der geile Zeit, als Johann Saathoff auf Plattdeutsch im Bundestag gegen den nationalistischen Bullshit der AfD geredet. 😂 Persönlich war's für mich quasi 'n Meilenstein an meiner Deutschlernenreise*, als ich merkte, ich verstand nicht nur sein Hochdeutsch ohne schwierigkeit, sondern auch 'ne gute Portion seines Plattdeutschs.
*Eugh. hätt ich das komisch gehobener ausdrücken können? 🙃 Das heißt auch nicht, dass ich mein Deutsch für besonders gut halte.
How similar is it to Dutch?
@@kekeke8988 I assume you mean Lower German?
We have to differentiate between Northern Frisian and Eastern Frisian. Eastern Frisian is related to Western Frisian in the Netherlands and they should understand each other (with regional differences of course). Dutch and these Frisian languages are similar, but I can’t tell you to what degree. Unfortunately I don’t speak any of the Lower German languages. I understand it to a certain extent, but not as much as I would love.
Northern Frisian is more related to the Danish language and even further away from my understanding capabilities.
@@kekeke8988 About more than 50% intelligible just look up something in low german (if you are dutch) and see for yourself, if not, i would argue (as one who understands low german and dutch) what i said before
In Trieste they don't speak Furlan at all. They speak Triestino, which is a variety of Veneto. The Region is actually the union of two former italian regions which were very different from each other: Friuli and the Venezia Giulia - which included Istria and other territories which are now part of Slovenia and Croatia. When Italy lost almost all these territories after the war, what was left of the Venezia Giulia wasn't enough to make a region, so it was joined to Friuli.
In the kingdom of Italy there wasn't regions at all, only provinces: the first regions (the special statute ones) have been instituted after the war: Sicily, Valle d'Aosta-Vallée d'Aoste, Sardinia, Trentino Alto Adige-Südtirol and Friuli Venezia Giulia, the others followed in 1970
I think feveladis could come from Latin Favella ( ability to speak, tongue, idiom) and should mean "spoken" based on context
I think in some varieties of the Romance continuum "favellare" is the same as "parlare" (parler, hablar, falar).
Even Dante's Tuscan had it
Friulian has 3 sinonimous for "to speak/to talk":
"fevelâ", "cjacarâ", "tabajâ"
None of these means "to chat". We don't have the word for "chat" because we don't chat😂, also we don't have words for "smile" or "love" as a verb (in fact you can notice that even the emoj I used is a laughter "ridade" and not a smile)
Even if used many times as synonyms i think they can be translated as:
Fevelâ: to speak
Cjacarâ: to chat
Tabajâ: to talk
You NEVER shake your mother accent.
Agreed. People think you can do it. I have yet to see a single example.
Exactly. If you grew up somewhere, you never truly lose your accent. If you move, you may take on expressions or some small inflections, but not enough to sound completely different from your mother accent.
Or at least, I've never seen it in those past a young age.
As a Lombard I understand basically everything said on tv. But these official TV transmission are basically sequences of calques of formal standard Italian. I don't think I could understand that easily Friulian grandmas chatting casually... Once I was in Carnia atop the infamous (among cyclists) mount Zoncolan, where local workers were there to prepare the arrival for the Giro d'Italia stage: I could understand nothing save swearwords and assorted blasphemies. 😂
Very interesting subject and presentation. Thank you.
I am an American who has lived in France for many years. I am a retired historian working in modern military history with a deep interest in ancient and medieval history (Japanese history as well). All of this is to explain to a degree why I have been following with much interest your videos from the beginning.
But the above is not why I have decided to send you a message. In truth, I was fascinated to learn today that your father is from Friuli. My Sardinian wife's father was from near Udine. Her grandfather, father and family moved to Sardinia due to various circumstances related to WW II. Then when my wife was born her grandfather, upon retiring returned with his family to Udine. All of this is to say that my wife was exposed to both Sardo and Friulano as a child.
So, you can see that your video interested me on several levels.
Please invite your friend to come and engage in a conversation in Sicilian and Friulano.
Thank you again for all your amazing videos.
A very entertaining video as always!
I came here to leave a suggestion: Asturian (read it carefully, it's As-tu-rian, not Austrian). As someone from Asturias, Spain, I'd love to see you cover it (Asturian recieves very little attention, and can even be hard to find online resources on).
A program from the Asturian regional TV channel (TPA, Televisión del Principado de Asturias) called simply "Pueblos" had a lot of episodes of just going to a Village somewhere in Asturias and interviewing a few people there, so you can hear natural Asturian mixed with Spanish like that ig. If you need help finding material, I'd be more than willing to help.
Also, I realise that maybe you want to take the decision of which languages to cover a bit more carefully, so here's a Slight overview of the major languages of the Iberian Peninsula:
Galician-Portuguese family:
Portuguese: already covered
Galician: Portuguese but without nasal vowels, and the pronunciation is quite a bit different (may be easier or harder for you to understand)
Astur-Leonese language group (related to Spanish, but certainly different; some characteristics in common with Galician, from contact, and aome with Aragonese):
Leonese is very close to the varieties spoken in Asturias, and really just form a dialect continuum with the western/southern varieties of Asturian.
Asturian itself is pretty varied depending where in Asturias you are. Shout-out to the variety called "Pixueto", that just sounds like made-up language tbh.
Cantabrian is also a thing, and is a bit hard to understand for me, when spoken.
Extremaduran (for some reason) is also a thing and is quite divergent too, kinda hard to understand.
Mirandese is what happens when an Astur-Leonese language exists within Portugal. It conserves all the different fricatives of medieval Spanish/Portuguese iirc.
There's also the Astur-Galician Fala (now also called Eo-Navian), which is Asturian × Galician.
Aragonese is a thing, it has a few varieties that I'm not too familiar with. It's a bit simmilar to Astur-Leonese, and a bit simmilar to Catalan from contact. There's also Ribagorçan, which is Aragonese × Catalan.
Apparently it used to be Navarro-Aragonese, but the variants that survived, as far as I can tell, were the ones in Aragon.
Then there's Catalan/Valentian/Balear, which is a dialect continuum of which you already covered Catalan (the main differences between zones are pronunciation and some vocab, and in the Baleares the articles are really weird).
Ofc there's Euskera, but that's just suicide to try to go into that.
I left out some minority dialects, but covered all language groups.
As for Asturian specifically: the dialect standardised by the Academy of the Asturian Language (ALLA, Academia de la Llingua Asturiana) is mostly what people who are thought the language learn, and also more or less what you'll find in pages (like Wikipedia) and in TV programs (like those in the TPA), but many people complain that the ALLA's standart isn't... great. It's based around central Asturian varieties, so it doesn't take into account Eastern, Western, Southern, Vaqueiro, or very regional (Pixueto) varieties as much.
Anyway, uhm... if someone read through this, thank you!
And thank you, Metatron, for making these very entertaining videos! Hello from Asturias!
How interesting! Hispania have so much beautiful languages!
as someone born and raised in Friuli Venezia Giulia, it's nice to see our language being brought to a wider audience by talking about it in english. Also it's funny because i can easily spot (and get easily spotted by) other people from my same region exactly because of the accent and ways we say stuff. Mandi from an expat in the UK
also i should add a couple of things: first of all, very well done on the pronunciation of furlan, and on the understanding and explaination too. it might be useful if i can translate some of the stuff you show in the video for other viewers to put into context. Mind that even if i am from Cividale del Friuli, i have been away from the motherland since my early 20s and not many people speak furlan so i am a bit rusty but still.
the first video the guy says:
- President, i think the constitution is different thing than just numbers, i think it's bigger than that and i think that we all should respect it and not (unintelligible bc of interruption by the speaker) the constitution
the second video goes:
(buona sera a tutti e a tutte, ben trovati a questa puntata di viaggi in friuli, una trasmissione curata da ARLEF, agenzia regionale per la lingua friulana, in collaborazione con Telefriuli)
good evening to all the ladies and gentlemen, welcome at this episode of travel in friuli, a broadcast curated by ARLEF, regional agency for the furlan language, in collaboration with Telefriuli
(qui parliamo delle caratteristiche della lingua friulana, delle sue origini e della sua grande letteratura, della sua tutela e dalla sua disposizione a scriverla)
Here we talk abou the characteristics of the Furlan language, of it's origins and it's great literature, of it's keeping and disposition to writing.
(..direttore dell'ARLEF, Francesca Battistuta dallo sportello regionale per la lingua friulana e Marco Torresin, sempre dall'ARLEF, bentrovati e benvenuti)
.. director of ARLEF, Francesca Battistuta from the regional office for the Furlan language and Marco Torresin, also from ARLEF, we're glad to have you here, welcome.
(Ma prima di cominciare ad entrare nella montagna che é il friulano, vediamo con il servizio qual'é il quadro delle lingue di minoranza che sono parlate in europa)
But before we start to get into the mountain that the furlan language is, let's see the with the next video segment what is the situation of the minority languages spoken in Europe.
(La presenza di una lingua é uno dei segni piú distintivi di una cultura ed un popolo. L'Europa ha una grande ricchezza linguistica, di fatto il numero di lingue parlate é oltre 100, parecchie di piú di quelle ufficialmente riconosciute dall'Unione Europea, che sono solo 24)
The presence of a language is one of the most distinctive signs of a culture and it's people. Europe has a vast linguistic richness, in fact the number of spoken languages is over 100, way more than the ones officially recognized by the European Union, which are only 24.
(Dai 500 milioni di persone nell'Unione Europea, sono circa 60 milioni quelli che adoperano ogni giorno una lingua che fa parte di una comunitá di lingue di minoranza)
Of the 500 million people in the European Union, about 60 million are those that every day use a language that belongs to a community of minority languages.
The third video says:
(... un giorno Elio Craighero mi ha detto: Ma lo sapevi tu che in Austria c'é un posto che la messa di mezzanotte non comincia a mezzanotte come per tutti?)
.. one day Elio Craighero told me: "did you know that in Austria there is a place where the midnight mass does not start at midnight like for everyone else?"
(Eh si ma dai, in Austria é come in friuli, mezzanotte é mezzanotte come per tutti. No no ha detto, e ti spiego anche il perché. E allora in questo paesino dell'Austria, ma piccolo eh, quattro case, c'era una vecchietta che da tanti anni, tanti anni, tanti anni, faceva un maglioncino per gesú bambino)
"yeah sure, in Austria it's the same as in Friuli, midnight is midnight for everyone". "no no" he said "and i'll tell you why". "So in this small village in Austria, very small - 4 houses - there was an old lady that for many, many many years she was knitting a sweater for baby jesus"
(.. perché era freddo in austria, tanto freddo e pieno di neve quindi gesu bambino aveva freddo e per natale ogni volta per la messa di mezzanotte lei metteva giú questo maglioncino, questo vestitino cosí che il bambino non abbia freddo)
" because it was cold in Austria, very cold and lots of snow so baby jesus was cold too and for christmas, every time for midnight mass, she was leaving this sweater, this small garment so that baby jesus would not be cold"
(allora ogni anno, passano gli anni, passano e passano e la vecchietta diventa tanto vecchia, tanto vecchia e una sera sempre la notte prima di natale la notte del 24 era li che faceva il maglioncino alle 10 di sera - sente bussare e va ad aprire ed era la morte che le ha detto " é ora di andare perché sei troppo vecchia ed é il tuo tempo")
"so then the years go by and keep going by and this old lady gets very very old and one night before christmas night on the 24th of december, she was there to knit this small sweater at 10pm - and she hears knocking on the door and goes to answer and death was there and it told her "it's time to go because you're too old and your time has come" "
(e la vecchia risponde "no no sono le dieci di sera, io devo fare il maglioncino, io fino a mezzanotte non vengo" - "no no no, non si discute con me, sono la morte, quando arrivo si viene via e basta" ...)
"and the old lady answerd " no no, it's 10pm and i have to knit this sweater, i won't come with you until midnight" - "no no no, you don't discuss with me, i am death, when i come you come with me and that's the end of it..."
Hopefully this can help you better understand what was said and can provide a bit of insight, i tried my best to translate as close as possible.
Good job on the video!
To me Furlan sounds a little like Catalán. And as a spanish speaker I would say I understand 40% :/ not as much as Italian that to me it gets to like 95%.
As a person from Friuli I can confirm you that when I heard Catalan for the first time I thought that it was a strange kind of Furlan
Both catalan and friulian have a common past, both are and we're gallo romanic family and language.
@@Nwk843exactly!
Both belong to Gallo Romance, but different sub groups. Catalan is Occitan-Romance and Friulian is Rhaeto Romance
Some words are closer to Romanian (even more with Aromanian).
3:40 "Buina seara". A bit closer to Romanian "Buna seara". (as opposed to Italina "Buona Sera")
She keeps saying cu or cun, in Romanian its cu (Italian con)
6:25 "Di fapt", in Romanian is "De fapt". Then she says "numar" exactly like in Romanian.
Also there are many words which sound like Romanian but i'm not sure if they have the same meaning. For example she sounds like saying "Ai intrat" (the same as Romanian, meaning "You entered" or "You enter".
That "Mieze Niot", in Romanian we use the expression "Miezul Nopti" (middle of the night).
That "par ce", the last "ce" is identical in Romanian.
They also have "ratza" ( duck) like Romanian
Italian from Insubria region here. Back in England I met a girl from Friuli, she was talking on the phone with her mum and I remember I was able to undestand almost everything. Then we had a brief conversation and we could basically understand each other. I find it very close to Catalan and Swiss Romance and I believe they are so similar because they are much older than Italian and Spanish, so say they are more "primitive", closer to their origins.
Nah, Italian is far more conservative. Simply, these (Furlan, Catalan, Piemonteis) are all Southern Galloromance languages, all related - though Furlan is on the transition towards Eastern Romance.
My mother's father's family was from Venice. Surname MARIN. I looked at the Venice phone book and there are a ton of Marin! I am from Cuba, but in the early 1900\s many Italian craftsmen migrated to Cuba to work on building cities in the European style, as they had the expertise on classical architecture, thus my 31% Italian DNA!
I'm Argentinian and my great grandfather came from Friuli. Honestly I could understand almost everything, the tempo, tone, accent, everything sounds like Argentinians speaking Spanish. I wish I was more Italian.
But you are
Nada que ver 🤔🤔
You should definetly make a video on Talian, the italian dialect spoken in Brazil (yes, I know)
Which is a Venetian dialect (and a quite conservative one)
I imagine there must be some radically different varieties of Furlan, because the assembly representative sounded a lot closer to Veneto than the second speaker (which is closer to the variety that I was expecting, with more palatalization and reduced schwahs; though she's still speaking it with an incredibly ITALIAN vocal posture)
Hey Metatron, are you gonna try also Corsican, Sardinian and Occitan?
Furlan sounds a bit like Spanish, Catalan & Portuguese to me (compared to other languages in Italy).
Geographically, it makes sense.
Thanks, Metatron. A very enjoyable video.
In 1950, my Furlan grandfather, Luigi, and his cousin, Mario, returned to Italy to visit family and tour the country. One morning, they were sitting in a piazza cafe in Rome, speaking Udinese Furlan, when their waiter approached. He told my grandfather that he and another waiter had a wager regarding what language my grandfather and cousin were speaking. Their waiter thought they were speaking a dialect of Venezian while his friend thought it was Romainian. I don't knw who won the wager.
Years later, my grandfather had a long conversation with my Sicilian childhood friend and they could understand each other for the most part, my grandfather speaking Italian and my friend in Sicilian. Once in a while, one had to ask the other to repeat oneself but more slowly. Thoroughly enjoyed the experience.
Thanks for creating the videos you produce. I find them very informative and entertaining.
Warning! In Trieste basically no one speaks Furlan, there they speak Triestin which is basically a variation of Veneto, probably because they traded a lot via sea and it's not an isolated case... in Marano they speak Maranese and at Grado they speak Gradese, these are smaller cities that face their respective lagoon and both use variations of Veneto which are different from each other and from Triestin!
Also near Gorizia and Monfalconee (an area between central Friuli and Trieste) you have the Bisiaco, which is a dialect of Veneto with a Furlan vocabulary with a hint of Slovenian...yeah it's kind of a mess!
Fun fact: I've made many friends both in Veneto and Trieste because of competitive Street Fighter tourneys and it happened more than once that for some reason many of my friends from Veneto had much harder time understendanding Triestino than viceversa, curiously I don't have much of a problem understanding both but I just speak Furlan so I'm the one that should have a harder time understanding both, would've never thought that Triestin would sound so different to a Veneto to be hard to understand for him...familiarity with accents is the key I guess!
Then again, Cjarniel (a Furlan dialect from the northern parts of Friuli, specifically Carnia) can be extremely challenging to understand for a Furlan from Udine, so we shouldn't take granted anything when talking about the easyness of understanding languages and dialects that in our mind should sound similar enough
Waiting for the Sardinian episode 👀 you'd probably understand most of it since you studied Latin quite thoroughly
As a learner of basic Standard Italian, it sounds like Italian with reduced vowels at the end
As a Welsh-speaker we have some relationship with Fruilian - I was in a conference recently on higher education in minoritised languages. I was there from Welsh-medium education here in Wales whilst there was a representative from Fruilia. We were there to learn from each another.
Wow! That is fascinating. I had no idea there was not just dialects but a different language in Italy. And that a native Italian cannot understand it. How incredible is that!
There are MANY different languages, like Sardinian, Occitan, Arpitan, Walser (Alemanic), Cimbric, Mocheno, Piemonteis...
there are portugese sounding elements in this regional language
Can you give it a try to Arbëresh language, it is derived from albanian and is spoken in Southern Italy, in regions of Calabria, Molise, Apuilla, Basilicata, Campania, Abruzzi and Sicily.
As spanish speaker, it sounds like a Portuguese faking Italian 🤣
Ciao, love your channels. This episode on Furlan was interesting and I surprisingly understood a lot of Furlan probably because I speak Venetian. I have a question concerning "dialects" in Italy. Furlan is recognised as a language yet Venetian is a dialect? La Serenissima Repubblica di😮 Venezia lasted about 1,100 years and they spoke a dialect? 🤔 You know full well that Friuli, portions of coastal Croatia, Montenegro Albania, Greece, Crete, Cyprus and even into western Turkiye were in the republic. The Venetian Republic had to have a official language, right? I'm from veneto originally and I'm wondering if one could state that, Venetian is the language and the variants in the different provinces such as Belumat from Belluno are the actual dialects of Venetian? Also there is very little focus on the Venetian language online in general. Focus is mostly on Furlan, Sardinian, Neapolitan, Sicilian, Pugliese, Calabrese and Romano.😮
I can answer you, but it's a long answer. The status of minoritarian language (and not mere dialect) is just a political thing, let me explain:
Udine and Trieste are the major cities in Friuli Venezia Giulia region, tho the actual Furlan city among the two is Udine. For many reasons, in the end Trieste became the Capoluogo (capital) of the Friuli Venezia Giulia region with many, many concerns by the whole Furlan population (they had good reasons to be angry in my opinion but that's not the point). Point is: since Trieste got the huge status of capital of the region, they hat to give something as a compensation to the people of Udine (or Friuli as a whole). So what the Italian government did? Mainly 2 things:
1- gave birth to a 2nd university in the region, allowing Udine to have its own University
2- They granted the Furlan language the status of language and not mere dialect (with all the legal privileges tied to such status).
In my opinion, every dialect in italy is actually it's own language, with it's very own historical and geographical influencies, plus having variations (dialects we might say) within itself. Furlan, Venetian, Lombard, Florentine, Sicilian, ecc... are not variations of Italian (so they are not dialect), they are all sister romance languages that evolved from latin like Provenzal, Portugese, Catalan, Castillan, ecc.
Eventually Florentine was picked among the many Romance languages already existing in Italy to then create a standard Italian language that might be taught in schools all over the country.
Hope that helps
Hai ragione, i friulani non perdono mai la loro cadenza. Sono sposata con un goriziano da 50 anni e io sono sarda. Viviamo in Sardegna e lui si considera ormai sardo, però appena apre bocca tutti capiscono che non lo è.
Avevo una prozia sposata a un palermitano: i figli dicevano che dopo cinquant'anni si sentiva ancora l'accento piemontese, ma quando la sentii io mi sembrava decisamente un accento siciliano, mi sa che dipende anche dall'orecchio di chi ascolta.
Prim di tacà = prima di attaccare, in the sense of beginning
più corretto prima di iniziare
@@mynameisgiovannigiorgio1027La traduzione letterale è "prima di attaccare", in italiano corretto "prima di iniziare".
Very good! For people who understand northern Italian dialects, Furlan would be fairly easy to understand, particularly, as you say, in its formal variety. A difficulty for most northern dialect speakers would be the plural s. Friulan, Ladin and Sardinian are the only Romance regional languages recognized in Italy as independent languages (apart from French in Val d'Aosta). The other regional languages like Lombard and Sicilian do not have the same level of recognition. The local dialect of Trieste is not Friulan and let's say is similar to Venetian (see below). One has to be very careful when making these judgements, as many people are easily offended if you identify them with another region:, e.g. in Triestino: « Ciamime mona, ciamime can, ma no ciamarme mai furlan! ». I leave the translation of "mona" (which does not mean as in Spanish "female monkey") to someone else. It's definitely feminine, and here is used as an epithet also applicable to males, as in British English. ;-)
PS. I think I heard the words "favelades" = IT "favellate" = PT "faladas" = spoken, and "muart" = SP "muerto" = IT morto = dead.
meglio di Furlan, non ce
"mona" is almost the same of the french "con"
Could you do the Corsican language next? Perhaps both supranacciu and suttanacciu
I’m a Furlan living in Ragusa I’ll never even try to hide my accent
At this point im thinking of giving up on asking for occitan every video its the sixth time now but i probably wont well anyways great video as always Metatron cant wait for more
Patience, he'll get to it soon.
με την φόρα που έχει πάρει θα τεστάρει αν μπορεί να καταλάβει Βλάχικα, οπότε έχε υπομονή
@@TeutonicEmperor1198 Χάχα ναι
He probably has a list he already made out and is going through them in order.
Don't give up. He's probably moved it down the list because he already did catalan which one of the many occitan languages. So he is mixing things up. I'm sure he'll do occitan eventually
Thinking of it, Mom being born in Nizza, she used to speak to me in occitan - among others she told me that a lady, with whom my Nonno went home by foot, used to tell him "passes davan Monsiou Grossini, que ieu petegi" - after having eaten plenty of beans probably? And just usual days' sentences she used to address me with. We have been wondering how much of Spanish and how much of Italian her local language contained, Nizza being close to the Italian border and having been Italian in the past, but some words like "ahura" for "now", are certainly closer to Spanish - rather far from "adesso". Now occitan differs from region to region in South of France, but is still mutually intelligible. Thank you for your videos which I love to watch, the more so as I am multilingual, Latino-germanic. I learned to understand Italian just by watching documentaries on TV with my Dad when I was a child. And Swiss German is the local spoken language, which the Germans don't understand, anyway, but we had to learn Hochdeutsch, which is the written language here. All the labels are written in a minimum of 3 languages, German, French and Italian, rarely Rumantsch. The combination of my Latin and Germanic knowledge really comes together in English, which I speak the most of all mentioned, with my husband whose native language it is.
Do it with Talian (the italian dialect from Brazil)
I second that!
is not an Italian dialect, it's a Venetian dialect.
I really like this series. Thank you.
These exercises are very useful and much appreciated.
Interesting. Please consider doing the same with the Gallo-Italic dialects of Sicily!
What a spectacular video.
Congratulations for your language abilities and your contents.
As a language-passionate native Friulian I agree with almost 100% of what you said.
Just a (not so) minor correction: nowadays Furlan is not spoken in Trieste, where they have their own linguistic community speaking "Triestino", a sort of Venetian-influenced Italian dialect with some sprinkles of Friulian, German and Slovenian influences. I point this out not only for the sake of precision, but also 'cause they get offended if you cal them "Friulian".
Again, great content!
Yes; invite your friend. Thanks for the video series on languages!
Yeah! I heard similarities with Catalan too! Occitan must be similar too. Sometimes the sound reminded me of Portuguese . Great idea! Try try talking with your friend as you said.
Yes the video idea with your friends in frulan vs Sicily sounds cool
I am from Milan, Lombardy (North West), I can understand 50% and correctly guess the correct meaning of other 40%, so 90% undestrandable. But I studied all my university studies with a boy from Udine, who used to speak with his parents and relatives with full Furlan language… the first time I heard him I didn’t understand it was even italian
Could you also do a video on Ladin. IIRC, it's spoken in and around Val Gardena, Val Badia, Ortisei, etc.
"Mezze nott" sounds like miazănoapte in Romanian (midnight).
this language sounded nice
Amazing video! My grandma was born in Gorizia and her parents in Udine, I didn't get the chance to meet them, but my father tells me they'd speak Furlan
Grande Metatron! brilliant style of communication! O soi content che tu ses miec furlan!
I could hear a few Francophone sounds at the end of words that end in "on"...the rest sounds a bit like a mixture of Italian and Portuguese.
Funny, because French is the only Western Romance language to have completely LOST those sounds in its standard variety.
@@bacicinvatteneaca what do you mean?
The only Furlan speaker I know is your DAD! He should be honored to be the father of a great YTer.
Suggestion for speakers of small population languages, to have their
languages included in handheld portable
translation machines, so that people can
correctly "speak" instead of, or during learning of, small population languages.
Buon Fortuna!!!
What a competence man!
Yes, do that with your friend, this language experiment. That would be interesting
Can you please do Ladin next?
Which one?
Interesting! Would you compare the two different languages like the difference between Mandarin and Cantonese?
My father in law is furlan but he never spoke furlan with my wife. Udine is furlan (Friuli) and Trieste is Giulia
Listening to the farmer speak I could hear a sort of Germanic or nordic language influence. He definitely didn't have a strong Italian intonation at all ! I'm really enjoying your series by the way..👍
The formal register sounds a lot like Catalan to me. I understand Catalan pretty well even though I don’t speak it so I did pretty good with that formal register. The colloquial register massacred me though. 😆 That one was hard.
As a Southern Italian, can you do Castelmezzano? I'm super curious of that dialect. 🙏🙏🙏
I'm from the South of Brazil and we have some Furlan speakers down here. Most descendants of italian immigrants speak Veneto though. Great video, cheers!
Ouuu im català, and this is just more easy than Italian... Crazy.
there's a Uruguayan football player named Diego Forlan. I wonder if Forlan and Furlan have any correlation.
Io sono di Pordenone (città in Friuli) e capisco il friulano (perchè mi piace) anche se nella mia città si parla una variante del Veneto. Ci sono moltissime persone di Pordenone (e zone limitrofe) che conoscono solo il veneto e non riescono a comprendere il friulano, quindi se già è difficile per i parlanti in veneto, figuriamoci i siciliani. Comunque bellissimo video, complimenti!
Furlan, Friulano. I understand it and know some words. It is its own full language. Ppl speak it when in the community/socially, but not in official offices/business/schools. Thanks for covering Furlan!
Talking about Trieste (I was born there with relatives). The original Tergestina was an Rhaeto-Romance language, but it has been replaced by Triestine, an Italian dialect due to immigration from Venice area.
I was born into a Friulan household in the UK. My first language learned was Furlan. I spent many summers in the Friuli when I was growing up. I remember the very florid use of language and vocabulary by the older generation and then in my 20’s & 30’s I spent less time there. During this period there was clearly a resurgence of interest in the local culture and many younger people adopted Furlan.
What is interesting is that the modern usage of Furlan seems less colourful and the accents more uniform. Languages evolve and so has Furlan.
What often raises an eyebrow when I’m over there now is the spectacle of a 60 something British Friuli speaking Furlan (or at least trying to) with a British accent 😂
I’ve also learned that British proverbs don’t translate too literally into Furlan 😊
Generally when I hear the languages of this part of Italy, it makes it obvious how the transition to Occitan happens. The nasal sounds remind me of Niçard and it's interesting that it even has the i or e ending for 1st person like in Occitan and some variants of Catalan (when the 1st speaker says "pense").
What surprised me the most is the plural ending being 's'.
Besides that obvious link, the general cadence and intonation in that part of Italy sometimes reminds me of Brazilian Portuguese. I wonder if it's to do with that language in Northeastern Brazil based on Venetian (Talian) because if I'm not mistaken, people from Trentino and Friuli Venezia Giulia also went there. If that's the case, it could be likened to the impact that Italians had on Argentine Spanish in terms of the 'flavour'.
yeah i would love to see you talk with your friend in that type of scenario itll probably so funny
Do a video for the Scots language
When I was in Maiano(UD) 2002..and elderly man stopped to talk to me. I said Mandi..but did not know much else...I heard him say bella..but at that time, I was just starting to learn Italian. In that northern region, some shop owners knew some German, so I could squeeze by. The older languages up there may also have some Hungarian infuence(Mygar) as it was part of the Hungarian empire at one point in time. The countries borders changed over the years
Hi, Metatron! How's your understanding of the language of Turin, Italy? Could I suggest a couple of videos? This one is from Turin 100%: th-cam.com/video/w_FJ_D1BVkI/w-d-xo.html . This other one, instead, form the province of Cuneo, South of Turin: th-cam.com/video/kKg2gaNzBK4/w-d-xo.html (there's some Occitan influence, here). Would you like to listen to them and tell us what you can understand? Thank you.
I'm from Vienna and visit Udine every year for the FEFF. My Italian is very basic, so I'm glad people don't speak in Furlan to me lol but now I'm interested in it!
Thanks for doing my native language
My grandparents came from friuli, was always curious if they spoke it or not
It sounds like a mix of Spanish and Slavic
Occitan next, please!
Furlan sounded a bit like Portuguese to me.
Hello from Friuli. Really nice video ! If you need a Furlan / English help in translation, I'm here :)
Furlan seems to have some remote similarities - at least by the sound of it - to the Rumantsch language here in Switzerland. Did you ever listen to Rumantsch, and if yes, would you agree?
EDIT: Another interesting , but unfortunately dying language is called Gruvérin. You can listen to the song "Ranz des vaches" by Bernard Romanens to get an impression of it.
Have you tried the language from the Val di Sole or Non?
Hi. I live in Pordenone, one of the big cities in Friuli Venezia Giulia and it was sometimes a bit hard to understand, mainly because in Pordenone Venetian is spoken and i have very little familiarity w Furlan
Portus Naonis
Aooo porta il friulano pls!!!❤️❤️
Thank you for this video. Your Friulian pronunciation is not bad at all ;-) . Just a few minor inaccuracies that I'd like to point out: (1) The flag on the video cover is not the Friulian flag but that of the administrative region Friuli - Venezia Giulia (here you have the real one en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Friuli ) , (2) Trieste is not in Friuli (F.-V.G. and Friuli are not the same thing) and Friulian is not spoken in Trieste anymore (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friulian_language#/media/File:Friulian_Language_distribution.png ) as today they speak a variant of Venetian.
11:01 YES. PLEASE DO IT. It'll be amazing
The grandparents of a good friend of mine were from Friuli - I'm fascinated by that language. Her family name is interesting too - "Tramontina" (which I've heard means "little thunderstorm" or "sunset " or something - interesting)
Tramonto is sunset, -ina is a diminuitive but it's feminine whereas tramonto is masculine so a bit weird, but yes something like 'little sunset'.
But then we have tramontana, which is a cold north wind, which differs only by a vowel.
Eh, surnames don't have to make sense.
We have "tramontane" in SW France, which is the wind from around the Pyrenean mountains, as opposed to the "mistral", the one that covers the SE part of our country. I would assume it comes from "mountain" in some fashion.
Nope, Tramontina only indicates their origin from the village(s) of Tramonti in the Carnic pre-Alps.
Can you please tell me what my mother used to say, if it means that I’m Sicilian? “Caci managi kill e con e fayci.”
Mandi! My family is originally from near Udine... some still there
When Bavaria I have noticed that this language has a lot of Latin in it, Plauderin= palare sprechen= speak