Can An Italian Understand Portuguese? CARIOCA ACCENT
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- Let's continue our journey exploring languages! Let's talk about the Carioca accent from Rio de Janeiro Brazil!
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Carioca (Portuguese pronunciation: [kaɾiˈɔkɐ] (listen) or [kɐɾiˈɔkɐ]) is a demonym used to refer to anything related to the City of Rio de Janeiro, in Brazil. The original meaning of the term is controversial, maybe from Tupi language "kari' oka", meaning "white house" as the whitewashed stone houses of European settlers or even the colonists themselves, by merging "kara'iwa" (white man) and "oka" (house). Currently, the more accepted origin in academia is the meaning derived from "kariîó oka", which comes from the indigenous tupi "house of carijó", which was Guaraní, a native tribe of Rio de Janeiro who lived in the vicinity of the Carioca River, between the neighborhoods of Glória and Flamengo.
Like other Brazilians, cariocas speak Portuguese. The carioca accent and sociolect (also simply called "carioca", see below) are one of the most widely recognized in Brazil, in part because TV Globo, the second-largest television network in the world, is headquartered in Rio de Janeiro. Thus, many Brazilian TV programs, from news and documentary to entertainment (such as the telenovelas), feature carioca-acting and -speaking talent.
History
Cariocas.
The archaic demonym for the Rio de Janeiro State is fluminense, taken from the Latin word flūmen, meaning "river." Despite the fact that carioca is a more ancient demonym of Rio de Janeiro's inhabitants (known since 1502), it was replaced by fluminense in 1783, when the latter was sanctioned as the official demonym of the Royal Captainship of Rio de Janeiro (later the Province of Rio de Janeiro). A few years after the City of São Sebastião do Rio de Janeiro had become the capital city of the Brazilian colonies. From 1783 and during all the Imperial Regime, carioca remained only as a nickname by which other Brazilians called the inhabitants of Rio (city and province). During the first years of the Brazilian Republic, carioca was the name given to those who lived in the slums or a pejorative way to refer to the bureaucratic elite of the Federal District. Only when the City of Rio lost its status as Federal District and became a Brazilian State (Guanabara State), when the capital city was moved to Brasilia, was carioca made a co-official demonym with guanabarino. In 1975, the Guanabara State was eliminated by President Geisel (under the military dictatorship), becoming the present-day City of Rio de Janeiro, and carioca was made the demonym of its municipality. Despite the fact carioca is not recognized as an official demonym of Rio de Janeiro State, Brazilians call the inhabitants of Rio de Janeiro in general (state and city) cariocas, and most of its inhabitants claim to be cariocas.
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Episode number 100. Metatron is fluent in Portuguese
Hopefully!
Ahuahauhauau...
@@metatronacademyyou should do a Gaúcha. I think it compliments Italian.
@@metatronacademyGaucho (gaooshoo) ancent is the easiest for a italian since there was a huge italian immigration in Rio Grande do Sul, proportionally highier than São Paulo.
@@metatronacademyTry Talian language a brazilian romance language based on venetian language.
And "obrigado" actually means "obliged/forced" in portuguese as well. We use it to thank people as in saying we are "obliged to repay" a favor, etc.
And the "you're welcome" equivalent, "de nada", translates to "of nothing". So the thank you/you're welcome exchange in Portuguese is someone offering to assume obligation and the recipient of the offer releasing the obligation.
In the south of the USA some localities say "much obliged" in England had a similar expression
@@carlos_takeshi exactly.
And actually, the equivalent for the Italian "grazie" in Portuguese would be "grato"/"grata". But it's only for formal situations.
In Spanish it's "Gracias" or "Muchas gracias" if you want to be more formal. We say "de nada" to mean you are welcome.
@@EpsilonsamaWe can use "Grato"
You should definitely look at the nordestino and gaúcho accents from the northeast and the south, they are very different from the ones in the southeast that most gringos think about when talking about Brazil.
There are diferent accents in Nordeste too, the accents in Ceará, Pernambuco and Bahia for example
@@TioPika-PauNo próprio estado de Pernambuco tem sotaque diferente, cara. Recife tem um sotaque diferente do interior de Pernambuco. Os recifenses "xiam" em palavras terminadas em "de" e "te", como em "gente" e "verdade".
No caso do gaúcho ele teria que analisar o sotaque gaudério, o sotaque colono e o sotaque do Bom-Fim. 😂😂😂
@@lucasoliveira9834 Até onde eu sei, posso estar enganado, do RN até SE todo mundo pronuncia ti e di. A diferença dos recifenses para os outros é q eles quase sempre xiam o s, enquanto os outros só xiam o s quando esse vem antes de t e d
Tu sabe onde estão no Sul aquelas pessoas que só falam um tipo de dialeto italiano?! Tinha ou tem um vídeo com uma senhora que só falava italiano, mas não me parecia um italiano padrão. Valeu.
There's a funny story about the Portuguese "obrigado". It comes from "Sou obrigado a retribuir" which means "I'm obliged to retribute you", and was shortened to just "obrigado"
The things people come up with nowadays 🙄 As far as records go obrigado always implied to become "indebted". It's highly doubtful people would use a full on sentence just to thank someone. This kind of "story" makes it sound like all ancient people, commoners included, spoke like courtesans at a stage play.
@@renatopinto3186refute então.
Actualy it comes from "I feel obliged to retribute you", (me sinto na obrigação de te retribuir/ me sinto obrigado a lhe retribuir) instead of "I'm obliged to retribute you".
Obliged to retribute you? This makes no sense in English. Is that a proper translation?
@@richlisola1 "obrigado" means "obliged". It exists in English too, when you thank someone by saying "much obliged" (that'd be "muito obrigado" in Portuguese and it's used just like "thank you very much").
It probably does come from a sense of feeling obliged to return a favor, like it's a duty, but I dunno.
Try Talian, the "koiné" language that took shape in southern Brazil by the speakers of veneto, genovese, trentino, furlan, etc.
I recommend the video "Talian - la nostra vera lengua madre".
I wonder how many episodes of these we will have until he starts learning Portuguese already
Note: The accent from the actual North of Brazil is actually a bit similar to the Carioca accent. I think the accent you want with the hard Ts and Ds is from the Northeast. (Although the states of the Northeast do vary a lot in accent, that could be a whole other rabbit whole just with that region). Other interesting accents are the ones from Minas Gerais and from the South
Na verdade so em Manaus e Belem, no interior do amazonas e em outras partes do norte eles tendem a da enfase no an, en, in, on, un, ao... e nao tem o chiado
It's true that Rio de Janeiro must receive many immigrants from the northeast, but even so, I think the northeastern accents are very different from the carioca.
The accent from the North of Brazil has absolutely nothing to do with Rio, but the sound of "s" that they both say "shhh"
But the pace and tone of their speaking couldn't be more different.
O sotaque do Pernambuco, do Rio e de Minas acho bem bonito, sou mineiro. Já os sotaques do Norte, pessoas que conheci da Amazônia, Amapá, e algumas partes do Pará, Acre, parece simplesmente o Português falado fluidamente de maneira "crua" e também é bem bonito, mas nem parece um sotaque, parece simplesmente alguém falando o português da forma mais "perfeita" possível, principalmente das pessoas que conheci sendo do Amapá.
Eu queria ver um crossover de um Paraense conversando com um Curitibano!
I wonder how many episodes this series could have, how many languages/dialects and any regional varieties of the romance family are there? I would love if it never stopped lol
In total there are 44 different romance languages.
just in Brazil there is like 16 main types of portuguese dialects and i am only talking about regional dialetcs i am not even talking about cultural dialects like pajuba (a dialect used by the queer) or the or the dialects of the periférical areas .
De fato isso não tem
fim !!!😉😂😂....
Quando ele pensar que aprendeu tudo vai perceber que não está nem no começo😉😂
O português brasileiro, tanto o formal quanto o coloquial é muito complexo!
Cada região...cada Estado tem suas gírias ...seu modo próprio de falar de acordo coma cultura desenvolvida no local😉
E complica mais ainda quando os Estados( pessoas) migram ....se misturam.
É uma explosão de "sabores" 😉💚💙💛
I like how close Portuguese is to Castellano so I can read it. But when they talk I understand almost nothing
Yes indeed, we have a similarity of 87%. That's why for us spanish speakers is quite easy to get the grasp on portuguese and Italian.
@@fixer1140it's one reason I envy Romance speakers, you can go to an entirely different country, with a different language, and probably communicate in simple terms, before you learn the language completely.
The closest language to English is Dutch (Friesian really), and it's not that close. I can usually pick out a word or two in each sentence.
@@Unpainted_HuffhinesI used to be an insurance salesman and I had a client who could only speak Portuguese (didn't know a lick of English) and I Spanish so I spoke in a simple Spanish and he in a Simple Portuguese and I was able to do the sale that way. 😂
Minus Romanian (and probably french)
If you ever revisit Romanian language, try the following regional accents:
- Moldovan accent (check both the one from Romania and the one from Republic of Moldova)
- Transylvanian accent
- Maramuresan accent (up north of Transylvania) etc
You could also check out the other languages in the Eastern Romance family:
- Aromanian
- Istroromanian
- Meglenoromanian (though the last two are about to go extinct due to lack of native speakers)
Cheers!
Metatron speaking Brazilian Portuguese with my home state accent!? LET'S GO!
Allow me to add to the comments you made:
* Portuguese also uses "Tu" for older formal text, however, the southern accent still uses it colloquially.
* "Obrigado" can mean both "Thank You" and "Obligated/Obliged"
* Some brazilian portuguese accents:
- Southeastern: Carioca, Mineiro, Paulista
- Northeastern: Recifense, Pernambucano, Baiano
- Southern: Gaúcho, Catarinense, Paraense.
* "Desenrolado" means something close to "talkative, easy-going, witty"
Keep up the good work man! Love and admire your content!
Paranaense*
You should totally try the southern accents from Brazil. Especially the gaúcho accent. I think is the one that you're gonna understand the most.
Northeast is more similar to italian and portuguese. Maybe a specfic Southern place where italians went, but i belive italians went to Sao Paulo.
The gaúcho accent is "cantado," like singing. This is due to an influence from guarani, azorean portuguese and spanish. I would love to see an analysis.
The "você" pronoum came from "vossa mercê", but the original 2 ° person plural pronoum in portuguese is "vós", although nowadays it isn't used in the spoken language.People now use "vocês"
It isn't used where you live maybe, around here 'vós' is extremely common. If you go to the north, particularly Braga, or to the interior we still use it in everyday speech.
o equivalente a "você" seria "tu", "vocês" seria "vós"
This story is repeated countless times in Brazil but I'm starting to believe it's false. There are several examples from other Latin languages (even Argentinian Spanish) that "you" comes from "vós" or from Italian "voi", as Metatron said. This "your mercy" story is too complex to be true either and totally unrelated with usage in another latin languages.
@@giovanifm1984vossa mercé is an accepted etymology. Similar to the Spanish Usted coming from "Vuestra Merced". Vós still exists in Portuguese, but is more common in Portugal. Você also pretty much replaces tu in much of Brasil. For formal, vós is typically replaced by O Senhor/A Senhora.
@@HeAndrRoiz Onde eu vivo e também onde todos os lusófonos com exceção de alguns do norte de Portugal vivem.Não há como considerar a exceção como uma regra
You should definitely react to southern Brazilian accent. There's a meme called "Laranjinha (como deixar um alemão feliz)". Those guys have the heaviest german accent ever. It's hilarious!!
😂😂😂 Yes, but this accent is very difficult to understand even for Portuguese speakers from the south of Brazil. I am gaúcha and I could barely understand 😅
Awesome video! Would be fun to watch you react to the accent of my region, "Mineiro", its from the state of Minas Gerais.
There's some accents that would be a really interesting video, i would recommend the "Gaucho", from the south region, and "Baiano" or "Paraibano", both from the northeast region. All of them are quite different from the Carioca and Paulista.
Try the accent from Pernambuco, in the northeast region. They have a special musicality, they don't palatarize the T and D, the "i's" are very markable, they open the vowels way more often than someone from the south, and they aspirate the r's very often. It's a very "clean" accent, one of my favourites in Brazil 😊🇧🇷
This man is from Pernambuco: th-cam.com/video/g8L0A7Ze2TA/w-d-xo.html
9:27 I would recomend you pick the Mineiro accent from the state of Minas Gerais for a very simple reason: I am mineiro and biased. Jokes aside, I'm loving this series and learning a lot about our similarities and differences with our fellow latin derived languages, keep up the good work!
Mineiro accent is the hardest Brazilian accent põi bruz di friu tir bruz di friu
Cidades
Brazops
Prizóps
Cadim do café cu pãozim di quej
@@bernhardjordan9200 yea, it is definitely hard at first, but it does sound very nice to me
@@bernhardjordan9200 I LOVE the sotaque mineiro ! given that there's not many places online or in the world where linguistics, the Latin language and culture, and the mineiro accent intersect, i'll throw this random tidbit out here now, and again if Metatron makes a video on mineirês: people have proposed many folk etymologies for the interjection "uai" or fully "uai sô", and none of them make any sense, given what we know about how colloquial language emerges. One of the more ludicrous ones being the one promoted by Professor Kenny which posits that "uai sô" is derived from the English phrase "Why, sir?" Nonsense. My pet theory, which i have no basis for, but which i love nonetheless, is that "uai sô" is derived from the Latin "quaeso" which works perfectly if plugged into the same interjective structure. I think my idea is a bom trem, what do y'all think ?
I've been studying Italian for a while now and despite not being fully fluent, I still feel like I can pick out some words in Portuguese even when it's spoken, just from watching these videos. When I see it written, though, it's like the lights come on and I can read it almost as well as Italian. It's pretty easy to intuit. I plan to do a big old tour of all the major Romance languages (Italian, French, Spanish, etc.), and this is making me very interested in learning Portuguese as well.
I'd say if you learn Brazilian Portuguese, you will understand a lot of Spanish.
One thing to note - você is not formal, it's just how brazilians adress you singular, but you conjugate everything to 3rd person singular. Most of Brazil doesnt use "tu"
The plural would be vocês and you would also conjugate this to 3rd personal plural - Como vocês estao? Como eles estão? Notice how it's the same for 2nd person plural and 3rd person plural - again, this isn't because it's formal, it's just how it's done in Brazil
Coe Metatron ✌✌
In Carioca, as well as in my accent (Urban Mineiro) the "R" in the beginning of words, before consonants and after the letter "N" sounds like the "H" in english words like "hope" or "hollow", though perhaps a little bit less aspirated.
Ex: Roupa, Partida, Tenra.
When the "R" comes before a vowel it sounds like the alveolar tap in words like "letter" or "otter" (unless you're british kkkk).
Ex: Arauto, Iremos, Trabalho.
Keep up the series!
By the way, if you're doing the nothern varieties, PLEASE search for "jornal cearense gafe era a minha vez" - that is an accent from the capital of Ceará, which is Fortaleza, and you MUST listen to it! 😆
Carioca still have much from the original Portuguese. Here in the South there are many who would speak the T and D similar to the Italian. Because of the Italians Immigrants who came live here. My family among them.
If you want to learn a bit more about the Portuguese Language in Portugal, including all accents and links to other romance languages you should tryout Portuguese with Leo. This is his video about the accent of the region where i live, the city of Porto: th-cam.com/video/kOxLQR8M3TQ/w-d-xo.html
You might also be interested in the closest language to Portuguese, Galician... both developed from the Galaico-Português, a death old language
Muito obrigado por partilhar este URL.
Is truth that the carioca accent are closer to the Porto accent in some ways?
I'm from Rio by the way.
@@VictorAlmeidaTrooI would say that generally speaking, the accent in Portugal closest to Brazil, it's kind of a mix between many northern accents ( Porto included) and Alentejo
Rio accent has a Lot of Portugal's influence. That's because It was, for a short time, the capital of the Portuguese Empire. Around 7,000 Portuguese came to a city of 18,000 with king John VI. The city with the accent closest to Portugal is Florianópolis. Other cities with Very unique accent: Piracicaba, Recife and Cuiabá.
You should do Portuguese accent from the Açores
Beautiful. Thanks again for opening space of talking about brazilian aspects other than steoreotipes. It’s said that “você “ comes from “vossa mercê “ spoken during colonial period.Your analises are really interesting. Ciao or “tchau “, in portuguese ( used only meaning goodbye)
Final comment: that "vocabulary" part was actually slang, not vocabulary. And very modern/2010s slang at that. I didn't get some of it as well. And I'm brazilian haha.
"Vossa Mercê" (Your Grace) became "vosmecê" and finally "você". What probably happened over time is that people with poor instruction couldn´t say "vossa mercê" correctly. And the formal version of "você" is "tu", but it changes the verbal tense.
I'm a brazilian myself, the last part of the first video is full of slangs from Rio so isn't a shame to don't understand anything, every some brazilians couldn't. I'm surprised how well you understanded, and yes the guy sayed thar Rio was the capital of Brazil, but he didn't say in the imperial times, just that was the old capital (what was until the 1950's). Also the word for "you" most used for brazilians is "você" isn't formal or informal is just the common way to say for most of us, "tu" is often used as well, but is informal in some places. For last the word "obrigado(a)" could mean "thank you" or "oblied" like in the sentance "eu fui obrigado a comer" tha means "I was oblied to eat". I love your videos, Muito obrigado pelo seu trabalho aprendi muito com você.
The "obrigado" thing meaning obliged is very true, "obrigado" does means thank you, but also can mean that something is mandatory, depending on the context. For exemple, "você é obrigado a fazer isso" meaning"you are obliged to do this".
Yep. Think of the English old-fashioned way to say thank you: much obliged. That's how the Portuguese muito obrigado words, the expression was never dropped from every day use.
As I've just started to learn Portuguese it is fascinating to hear the different accents particularly of Brazilian Portuguese which is what I'm concentrating on. Thank you for this series.
8:49 Como fala o início do segundo vídeo, o Rio de Janeiro foi a sede do império português, então sim, este seria o sotaque brasileiro mais próximo do de Lisboa
Temos influência do sotaque francês tb
@@giselacristina6132 Não é pra tanto. Um grupo pequeno de colonos habitou por pouquíssimo tempo numa parte separada do resto da cidade no século XVI, então a influência na fala é mínima pra não dizer irrisória ou inexistente. Falavam entre eles e não se miscigenaram com os locais. É tão ridículo quanto aqueles nordestinos que dizem serem descendentes de vikings porque os holandeses ocuparam a região com o exclusivo fim de negociar cana de açúcar sem querer se misturar com locais. Basta ver o Suriname.
@@ilgattoparddo Não é pra tanto oq, animal? O som do nosso "R" vem do Francês. A corte Portuguesa e a Elite quando vieram ao Rio trouxeram a moda deles de imitar o "R" como os Franceses falavam.
@@ilgattoparddo Vc que é meio burrinho msm
In Brazilian Portuguese, Obrigado has two meanings: Thank you and oblige.
To me, it's like when we say in English, "I'm much obliged to you," or something like that, as a way of saying "thank you."
@@MichaelPhillipsatGreyOwlStudio you are correct.
It's actually a single meaning, but used in different contexts.
It's in Portuguese in general
The videos you watched have a lot of carioca slang, the accent is the least of the problems, I already worked in a car wash with a São Paulo native and sometimes I got a little lost with his slang.
I'm from Brasil, but i am from the south, Paraná (Santa Catarina, Paraná and Rio Grande do sul) and it feels great to see someone from around the world to talk such things about the language as regional accents
You should make a video dedicated to the northeastern accent, the so-called northeast region is a region with a very distinct cultural identity and very iconic in the Brazilian national scene. And it is quite different from the north, which is another very different region.
Acho que pro Nordeste dá pra fazer 2 vídeos até. Sobre o Português brasileiro em geral esse cara consegue fazer dezenas de vídeos se ele quiser, BR clica em tudo sempre, vai dar muita view e os sotaques são todos relativamente distintos.
Bro, at this pace you will run out of languages in a month. Keep it coming, and also some other Italian accents and dialects. Another challenge for you, try the Angolan portuguese. The carioca accent was heavily influenced by the portuguese monarchy that arrived to Rio de Janeiro escaping from Napoleon's troops. The locals considered it a fancy accent, so they took it as their own which is why it has this particular pronunciation.
Considering the fact that there are more than one hundred dialect variations across Italy alone within the Italian regional languages, I think I'm covered ;)
Would be great to see you reacting to the accent of Minas Gerais State, Pernambuco or Rio Grande do Sul.
1. PAULISTA is the person born in the STATE of São Paulo. PAULISTANO is the person born in the CITY of São Paulo.
FLUMINENSE is the person born in the STATE of Rio de Janeiro.
CARIOCA is the person born in the CITY of Rio de Janeiro.
Note: I'm talking about the places of birth, not the accents.
2. Você (you - singular) is a contraction of "vossa mercê", which became "vosmecê", "vancê" and later "você". In Brazilian Portuguese, it's considered an informal way to speak to someone, while the original "vossa mercê" was considered an expression of respectful treatment.
3. Portuguese also has "tu" (second person singular) and "vós" (second person plural), but that's only used in some states in Brazil or in some ocasions (Catholic or another Christian ceremonies, for instance).
4. That's not "vocabulary", that's Carioca slang.
5. You got it right, there isn't such a thing as an universal Brazilian Portuguese accent.
Hi! I'm from Brazil and love your videos! The Carioca accent has indeed some proximity to the accent spoken in Portugal. The most obvious reason is the fact that Rio de Janeiro was the capital through part of the colony, through the empire(1822-1889), and part of the Republic until 1960, when the federal capital was moved to the recently founded, Brasília. And if you are interested in Brazilian history you should definitely watch a five-episode documentary called Brasil: A Última Cruzada( Brazil: Last Crusade). This documentary gives an overview of our history until 1889. It is available on TH-cam for free and has English subtitles!
Suggestion for the next videos:
After the northern accent, you should also make a video of the Mineiro Accent (spoken in the state of Minas Gerais).
Sorry about my English :) My writing skills are a bit rough.
I'm from Rio and loved this video!Grazie mille 🇧🇷🤝🏻🇮🇹
I think will be wonderful to dive much deeper in all this languages.
When you started reading that Wikipedia text about Escudo in your previous video, you sounded quite like Galician; Galician (galego) is a language spoken in Galicia (Galiza in galego), an Autonomous Community in northwesternmost Spain that shares border with the northern Portugal districts. Some people claim Galician and Portuguese are different varieties of the same language, and some other people claim Galician is a different language but yet closely related to Portuguese; this conception comes because Galiza and Portugal were different territories for a very long time and they still are, and since Galiza has been always part of Spain and there was no a proper literary tradition in Galician until the midst of 19th Century, Galician is very much influenced by Spanish phonology and even orthography. It would be very interesting to watch you reacting to Galician language!
Brazil is huge, there are 27 states plus the Federal District, and each one has a different accent, and within the same state there can be regions with different accents. 😁
I love the "Pernambuco" accent, it's like music to my ears. 😍
Reinforcing the Meme, "You should come to Brazil". 🤭
Greetings from Brazil! 🇧🇷
Some PT-BR unspoken "rules"
1 - If the word start with a R, it is pronounced like a H, my name is Renato, but we say it Henatu
2 - If a word has double R , it is also pronounced like a H, or like a parisian R . EX: Carro (Car) is Caho or Caʁo
3 - If a word ends in E or O we almost always have a vowel reduction, making it an I or an U. - EX: Ele (He) = Eli , Dedo (Finger) = Dedu
4 - D and T variants: the sound of the D and T changes ONLY when they are paired with an i. - EX: (DA - DE - JEE - DO - DU) / (TA - TE - THI - TO - TU) also true with a word that ends in "de" or "te" so the vowel reduction make it a "di" or "ti" - EX: Onde (Where) = Ondi (vowel reduction) -> Onjee (Br accent) / Sorvete (Ice Cream) = Sorveti (vowel reduction) -> Sorvethi (Br accent)
4 - A portuguese word will never end in N (unless if it is a loan word like INN or WIN)
5 - Brazilians don't say Yes very often, that is kinda hard to explain, but, if a person asks you - Wanna go out? you do not say "yes" you say "i want it" (Quer sair? - Quero!) or Do you like Samba?
again, you to not say "yes" you say "i like it" (Você gosta de Samba? - Gosto!)
Closest Brazilian accent to European portuguese is the most conservative like those from Recife (Northeast) and Florianópolis (South). The northern is mostly related to medieval Portuguese with a huge influence of Spanish in their vocabulary/pronunciation. But... Time has passed enough to even the differences and only very old people have a really different way of speaking, using words that are almost falling into oblivion
Friend, you're exaggerating things a bit. Is it your opinion or is it based on scientific information?
@@alovioanidio9770 You may have the "scientific information" to disagree on this subjective matter, but you cannot disagree how the "manezinho" accent from Florianópolis carries a lot of pt-eu intonation and phonetics. The second part of my comment is just an obvious information, Brazil started on the northeast, their vocabulary still have words/expression considered archaism in Portugal. If you lived there 40y ago, you would see people speaking "ocho"/"mucho"/"entonces[s]" instead of oito/muito/então, i could list many examples, but I rather write an essay about it. Could be a result of Spanish jesuits education during the Iberian Union, could be Spanish/Galician migration. About this, a specialist would give a better scientific information. If you don't find one, you better hurry on your research, else you will have only the testimony of who saw and lived to see.
The Carioca accent seems very similar to accents from Portugal 🇵🇹😅
The carioca accent was heavily influenced by the portuguese who came to Brasil escaping from Napoleon's troops. The locals considered it a fancy accent, so they took it as their own.
Not very similar, only in some features. No brazilian accent is sufficiently similar to the europeans
@@alovioanidio9770 but it is the one that most resembles
The s from cariocas is believed to come from Portugal. They also have a particular way to say the r in the midle of a word, like "porta" where they speak it a bit like someone with french accent would say. It is believed that this particular feature came to Rio when the portuguese court moved there fleeing Napoleon. At that time, having (or faking) a french accent was considered rather cool. So the carioca adopted it. In most of Brazil that kind of "r" is spoken curling your tongue. It is believed that this came from the indigenous people. In fact, the same sound can be heard in spanish in the country side of Argentina.
I saw an Italian class ad and it took me a while to realize he wasn't speaking Portuguese during the ad, lol. I only noticed it was Italian when he mentioned it.
I'd love for you to do an episode about the Serra Italiana (Italian Hills) accent from Southern state Rio Grande do Sul (3 to 4 million speakers in this area, 11 million on the whole state). They speak Venetian Talian and other Italian dialects there to this day and their accent in Portuguese is very peculiar, too. You can search videos from people from the cities of Caxias do Sul or Bento Goncalves and you'll get it.
Yes, but only the very old people speak that( I was surprised to hear how the ypung ones in Bento Gonçalves sound like paulistas). So it would be very interesting to hear an analysis as some of these dialects do not exist in Italia anymore and are about to disappear even in Brazil. :(
@@carolinafd Last time I've been there, a few years ago, some people from Veranopolis, where my grandpa grew up, still spoke dialect, but things are changing, granted. If youngsters in Bento are talking like paulistas, now that's an improvement, huh? "Fuzimo di Bento". :)
@@carolinafd "only the very old people speak that" = O Guilhermino não quer mais falar a língua do Radicci. Triste mesmo, mas é da vida.
In brazilian portuguese, both, "tu" and "você," are informal pronoms, for formal we use the forms "O senhor" or "A senhora"
_"Much obliged"_ is an old fashioned form of "thanks" in English as well.
Yes, "R" in portuguese when it is in the beggining sounds like english "H", like in "hat". Only when it is between vowels its rolled.
In most dialects of Brazilian Portuguese, initial R is exactly like the English H and initial H is mute. Carioca Portuguese is a bit similar to my accent (Capixaba Portuguese) and if the R is doubled (like in carro) or is before another consonant (carta) we pronounce it like a rasping at the back of the tongue, kinda like Scottish Loch. We also pronounce T as Tch and D as Dj before front vowels, like how Italians pronounce C as Tch in the same context. "Você" is actually a contraction of "Vossa Mercê", which means "Your Mercy" and is used with the third person singular and has substituted Tu everywhere outside formal old timey poetry. The plural of você is vocês and uses third person plural. Final e sounds like i and final o sounds like u in most dialects of Brazilian Portuguese. But it doesn't in other contexts I believe. Both final M and final N just nasalize the previous vowel. So gente is pronounced as ge~te with a nasalized first e.
If you want some suggestions of variants: Capixaba Portuguese is considered very much like TV Portuguese. Northeastern (Nordestino) Portuguese is also very different. Southern (Sulista) Portuguese is very distinct too. Also Mineiro Portuguese, from Minas Gerais
Eu pensando que o Metraton não é tão popular no Brasil, mas pelos comentários, não! Que bom! Keep up the good work!
"Obrigado/obrigada" even though it means "thank you", the origin of the word comes from "oblige" which is why it matches gender and number kind of like in english "i am obliged" instead of "thank you"
Obrigado has same meaning italian too. It comes from idea that you are obligated to do give back, but we separated the ideas today!!
Obrigado also means forced in Portuguese.
The r in the beginning of words is pretty much the same as h in English. Though some people also don't pronounce that same sound in coda position. Doble rr also is pronounced like this.
About the São Paulo accent, they had a lot of Italian immigration in the last century. Did you notice any Italian influence in their accent?
"Foi mal" is a very informal way to say I'm sorry. It's slang-like, but most used by the younger generations. I use it more when with my friends or people around the same age, but I avoid with strangers and older people.
Also, the *carioca vocabulary* shown is comprised of slangs.
This is a huge problem with Brazilian videos about accents from other regions. The vast majority is made up of slang or words that are very specific to each region. Regional slangs are not accents. Virtually no videos delve into the pronunciation or prosody of each accent.
During the Napoleonic Wars, the Portuguese Royal Family, went to Brasil and made Rio the Janeiro capital city of the Portuguese Kingdom. Maybe they had influence in the way they speak there. And yes, "obrigado" has the same root.
You're correct in your observations about the S being pronounced like"sh" , the D turning into "dji", the T into "tch", the R like "h" and the E like "i". A lot of things you probably didn't understand because in these videos they used slangs. People from other regions in Brazil can't understand it either. 😅 By the way, in Brazil we have an accent in the North, which is very similar to the Carioca one, and an accent in the Northeast, which is completely different. The Northern and Carioca accent were strongly influenced by the Portuguese court and what was trendy at the time. For example, the pronunciation of R like an H is inspired by the French pronunciation, which was considered fashionable back in the 19th century by the nobility. I'm from the North and I would say that people from Rio prolong more the words than us and they use more "você" rather than "tu", or when they use "tu" they conjugate it incorrectly. So they say "de onde tu é?" instead of "de onde tu és".
Im from Rio and we use "Tu" as much as we use "você"
I believe you are correct about the pronunciation of 'r' being more like an 'h' in English. So, Rio sounds to me (American learning Portuguese) like 'Hio'. I was amazed how wonderful the Portuguese language sounds ever since a family friend from Sao Paulo visited my family in Ohio (USA). We loved to hear our friend talk with my niece, who lived in Brazil for a year and is fluent in Portuguese. Very neat.
I see the care with which someone learns accents as an universal display of respect.
Thank you ❤
Carioca here. Very cool to watch our strong accent from the perspective of a foreigner who speaks a Romance language. A friend from São Paulo used to say that we transform all vowels in very long diphthongs. About the lady on the beach, I can't tell where she is from. Obviously foreigner.
"Vocabulary" on the fist video was actually a lot of slang even I don't understand, not vocabulary itself.
We have at least one accent for each state and inside of each state there are local variations, so it's kinda impossible to tell how many accents we have. But I'm really impressed with how fast you catch so many things in a short period. You would learn how to speark Brazilian portuguese very fast.
4:00 The nasalation is not conservative, on the contrary. It is a reintroduction of nasalisation in other positions. The classical nasalisation was already lost earlier. For example: cantātum -> Pt. cantado. If it was conservative nasalisation then the Portuguese participle would have a nasalised final vowel, which it doesn't.
Instead, the novel Portuguese nasalisation occurs where Latin had a nasal consonant (usually before dropped final syllables).
So you have Pt. cão, either from Latin canis (dog) or from earlier can/cano from Latin canus (grey haired).
It even introduced nasalisation where Latin did not have a nasal to begin, such as with 'sim' from earlier 'si' ultimately from Latin 'sic'.
And with the pronunciation of unstressed E as I, and with T as TCH and D as DJ, it's actually more the other way around. Unstressed E gets lowered to I (together with unstressed O becoming U, I think something similar occurs in certain dialects in Portugal too), and then I regardless of origin/position palatalises T and D, thus giving TCH/DJ, which I think is more typical of Brazilian dialects.
You need to try Portuguese from the Azores more specifically from Rabo de Peixe, its the most difficult type of portuguese I have ever heard. Speaking has a native I have a hard time even understanding that
Here a Brazilian (from Rio ) subscriber since last year. Ilike so much of your videos about comparisons between ancient weaponry & armory.😀
Now writring in my native Carioca accent (not dialect), vamo ver se tu tá esperto em português : aproveita e manda um abraço para os meus padrinhos italianos Giuseppe Camolli e Mia Regazza 😀
Great series!
Great video!!
In regards to the difference in accent, I think it's okay to group Brazilians accents when you're comparing them to European Portuguese. The northeastern accent might be pretty different to the paulista accent, but they're still much closer to each other than they are to European Portuguese.
European Portuguese has many accents though.
on Rio souding as Hiu to your ears couldn't be further from the truth, as I mentioned previously, we have 3 R sounds basically, when R is in the beginning of the word, then it sounds like H, as in Rato = Hatu, Rio = Hiu, Remo = Hemu, when the R is before a vowel it sounds as you would expect an R to sound, like in Dragão, Trabalho. when R is in the end or before a consonant, it will sound as in English R, there are some exceptions here and there in words like Honra and Genro, but this is more or less how it works, except also for some accents like from Minas Gerais, words that the last syllable ends with R + vowel, this R tends to sound as in English R, I live currently in a small town in Minas Gerais and I like to see the differences between my birth accent (paulista) and the one here.
Ó meu sotaque querido sendo representado!
Muito legal a dinâmica dos seus vídeos e o aspecto respeitoso da sua abordagem! Sigo acompanhando! Grande abraço!
Your videos are awesome. Greetings from...Brazil.👍
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW never thought you wolud metion the place I live!!!!! Great video!!
Escolhe o sotaque que mais gostas. Choose the accent that you very much like. I had chosen Portugal. But I understand quite a bit of Brazilian Portuguese just not a lot.
Keep going, bro!! Greetings from Brazil.
My children and I love your channel😊
As an EU portuguese speaker, I'd love for you to make a video on Madeira and Azores portuguese since most mainlanders cant understand us😂
Sup metatron, here to suggest you to react to the "gaúcho accent", wich is the accent from Rio Grande do Sul, the biggest state in the south region. I'd suggest you to listen to Gaudêncio, wich is a famous commediant of this state. Love your work!
You would love to know that in the Northern coast accent, from the Northeast of Brazil, they palatalised the s *only* before a dental. The exact opposite of Neapolitan.
Carioca here: I love how Metatron nailed 100% in every suspection/impression/estimative he had.
About how the Carioca accent is the closest to Lisbon, about our R becoming, the S becoming SH/SCH/CH, about how it differs from São Paulo, and so on.
Hey! I absolutely love your videos, i really wish to learn italian one day (i'm from são paulo and also speak french) and here we also use "obrigado" as forced to do something, besides "thank you" so you were spot on lol
You should check the dialect from the south, especifically in RS and SC
It sounds very good
There is no diference between Tu e Você in terms of formality in brazilian portuguese.
In some regions people use the Tu more often, but Você is more commonly used across the country.
Já foi ao interior do nordeste?
Meu mano Metatron vai sair dessa serie como um legitimo cria 😎
That 'vocabulary' part was mostly slang. The second video was also mostly slang.
"Esqueci o isqueiro na esquina da escola" is an excellent phrase to demonstrate the accent.
Greetings my man ! Great video ! Just a little information, when you said in the begining the Paulista accent is of people from the city of Sao Paulo actually people from the city of Sao Paulo are called Paulistano and not Paulista. Paulista accent is the accent of all cities in Sao Paulo state, exception made to Sao Paulo city itself
Third video about Portuguese? I LOVE IT!!!
In Brazil we have a North-South divide and its border is between São Paulo and Rio, but a lot of more southern accents do sound like São Paulo and Northern soud more like Rio, especially in states like Amazonas. In the Northeast we have more conservative Portuguese, because it was the first region to be colonized, that's why they have a pure ti and di, as is in the more rural deep south, but the most common way to pronounce the ti and di is the carioca way. The biggest differences in the accents are in the intonation, it's they're not that different for us, brazilians.
For some reason, here in Brazil/Rio we use "você" informally (which was originally 3rd person, and we use as it as 2nd person) and "tu" usually formally (which was originally 2nd person).
Em cada estado no Brasil vai encontrar um sotaque diferente, mesmo dentro do estado e até na mesma cidade. Por exemplo, no estado de São Paulo, tem o sotaque do interior R "caipira" é uma das principais características, mas sou do interior de São Paulo, e uma das características daqui da minha cidade que teve muita influência do sul é falar "cantado". No litoral de São Paulo o sotaque já é outro, e usam muito o TU, e no resto do estado se usa você. Na cidade de São Paulo, vai encontrar um sotaque na periferia, outro mais central, e outro nos bairros com mais influência italiana, na mooca e no bexiga por exemplo. Muitas cidades do sul do Brasil tem muita influência italiana e alemã, muitos ainda falam dialetos que já não se falam nem aí na Itália ou na Alemanha. Muitas vezes até para nós brasileiros é difícil entender o pessoal do interior de Santa Catarina por exemplo.
The things that you were having a hard time understanding were mostly when they were trying to gather examples of slang. You did not stand a chance, not even just any Brazilian would know what every slang that they were talking about meant. And when they were talking about elongating the vowels in one of the videos, it is for effect. Similar to the whazzaaaaaaaap in English. Coé (ééééééééé) it pretty much what's up in English - originally the words in that question would have been "Qual é?" (Which is it, what's up?), but they were reduced to a point where it became just coé). Saying coé is a very carioca thing.
And you are correct, the accent from Rio is closer to the Portuguese from Portugal, Rio had the whole Portuguese court moved there at some point (running away from Napoleon and running the Portuguese empire from Brazil), so the continental Portuguese influence there is still very noticeable.
You should try Llanito. The Spanish and British English hybrid they speak in Gibraltar. It also has a bit of Italian and Arabic in it
In Portugal, do: Lisbon vs. Porto vs. Algarve (center vs. north vs. south)
He said we are "desenrolado" wich is also a slang. That doesn't mean just laid-back but also a very charming, articulate, persuasive person that can sweet talk his way into or out of any situation. The literal translation would be "unrolled"
Hey Metatron!
The word "OBRIGADO" in portuguese is the short version for "Eu me sinto OBRIGADO a retribuir o favor/ajuda(I feel FORCED to return the favor/help)"
So it has the same meaning but the long version sounds too much medieval and was dropped and shortened naturally throughout the years
You are amazing 🎉❤
During the Napoleonic invasion of Portugal, the Royal Family took refuge in Rio de Janeiro, which became the capital of the Portuguese Empire between 1808 and 1821. Then, King João VI was forced by the Portuguese courts, against his will, to return to Lisbon (he only did it 6 years after Bonaparte's defeat). He left here his firstborn, Pedro, who proclaimed independence and became the first Emperor of Brazil.
Hi, Metatron. I would never have imagined that one day you would be making videos about the carioca accent! Anyway the second video contained many slangs and idiomatic expressions. And the use of slangs in Rio is always evolving, contrary to English, which are more stable. Also, many expressions that were spoken, actually are sort of "contractions", if you will: está -> tá; você -> cê; não é -> né. Great video! Cheers
Incorrect. Slangs in english are also evolving, as I would imagine to happen in every other country. In the case of the USA, you just have to look at the same place where slang is born here in Rio, the slums, or the equivalent: the hood. Watch more black american youtubers and you will see lots of new slangs, non derogatory btw.