This kid is probably guilty, but people really need to stop judging people based on how they grieve. My aunts literally made my mom's funeral a nightmare because I wasn't crying. I was taking it in in the best way I knew... to hide it. Sorry, but not everyone cries in front of a million visitors
That isn't what's being noted here. It isn't just no crying, it's a coupling of factors/traits that were noticed, not one simple thing. They clearly state this in the video, with credentials to back it up, and they were reporting what *investigators* noticed that sent up a red flag.
@Ira Mills Yeah, that's actually fairly common. What sent the red flag here wasn't laughing, or no crying, it was complete emotional flatness, while also being condescending and completely functional, so not flat in a numb, shocked way.
Denise telling family and friends she didn't "want another son" just wanted Carlos to "experience having a sibling" was such a huge and immediate red flag. You don't get to adopt a child and say it's "for" your other child as though a child can be gifted to someone like a toy. I'm not saying parents don't have kids and want them to have siblings, that's a huge reason a lot of people try for more. But it cannot be the only reason. You didn't adopt a brother for your son, you adopted a child who needed a mother. And Denise clearly wasn't a mother to either of those boys. I am in no way condoning murder, but you can tell that the abuse at her hands lead both those boys down a darker path instead of a better one. It's a tragedy for everyone.
@Bryan yeah sure I’ll do it. You act like that’s somehow going to make me back down 🙄 I would pull the trigger on any number of child abusers very happily.
Man, I rarely am able to find a shred of sympathy for murderers but Denise made me both fearful and angry just listening to that minute long recording. She created a monster and the monster killed her.
Kind of yes She sure was the adult and should have send her 2 boys in a psych for tests and help Plus what she said about I dont want another child but for my son to have a brother is just horrible to say
Seriously. She pissed me off. Especially when you adopt children from troubling backgrounds you need to be extra sensitive and expect problems. Angels room was apalling
Because people found abuse "normal" in their time. It was so normalized, now that it's not okay anymore people are shocked. It's so morbid and messed up...
i dont understand it either. Failed by all at so many points in their life. HOW POSSIBLY could they see themselves, in a situation SO escapeless, they consider killing a person literally destroying their life? ...UNTHINKABLE! Its another: things easy to judge if you haven't walked the path...so bet 99% of people will do so. Judge. Most sadly though the EWU guy seems to be quite certain he knows it all too. The one really bad thing about the channel. The black/white way of depicting things that arent. Sadly i feel, he really truly sees it this way...And honestly for someone making SO many videos...i expect more honestly. At least SOME sense of reality at some point? Instead this Hollywood pattern. smh. Its sad as the content is high quality other ways. But this distance profiling his"chosen perpetrator of the video". Which...i mean OBVIOUSLY is ridiculous from any standpoint, considering the data released in cases...as said i just expected more by now, looking at the long list of vids made on the topic and time obviously spent on it.
@@MateriaHunter .....Yeah, even in the cases where they would be totally justified in doing so. Like when they have told multiple agencies and people about it, and NOT been helped!!!! It is called self defense.
She could've just been using race as an insult. It's pretty common for people to not actually be racist, but throw racial insults at one another when they're upset.
After hearing how Denise treated Carlos, you know Angel was the black sheep and treated like garbage til he ran away. Then she literally imprisoned him. It's literally torture and she got away with it because the golden child was afraid to have that abuse to turn around on him. Once angel was gone, Carlos was the new scapegoat. Very common in APD parents. Murder is never the answer, but sometimes you see someone get murdered and you think, "ye well.. that makes sense." Lord have mercy on everyone involved here.
Yeah, after how she talked to him in front of company, my god... Lord knows what she did when no-one was looking. I mean I don't really want her to die, but her constant racist remarks and lording his security over him. It's really no suprise he killed her.
Ok hear me out...he was driven to try killing himself, that didn't work, and neither did trying to get away from her...what else could he do honestly from his perspective if she really was that awful
What about all the good she did? It's hard to take care of your own child how much more raising a child you have no idea who he is? She was a good person to do that. People are not perfect, you think my mom never abused me verbally? If i was alone with an older boy she would think i had sex with him!!! Lol But i loved her didn't kill her. She thought her driving, gave him everything; and then when he acted bad, she verbally punishment him. What else could she do? I will they allowed parents to physically punish kids sometimes, i mean slap in the face kinda thing, like we got it when we were kids. We never hold it against our parents. You think i am upset because my mom hit me in my head with a pot? God bless her, i laugh when i remember those things
@@HVAC356 sorry you were attacked and abused by your parent. it's hard for a child who grows up like that to reconcile that the only person who should have been protecting them was the one violating them. children are dependent on their parents and many abusive parents know how small and important a baby is, and what their dependency means. You never should have been touched or spoken to that way. you never deserved to be treated lke shit. You are so much more than the pain your parents forced on you. this woman never should have had children. she was trying to fix her problems of abandomnent by holding two children she "saved" hostage in a relationship that was supposed to be healthy and meaningful, and instead her actions destroyed two lives and ended one. I'm sorry for your pain. I hope your children never have to feel like they need to resort to violence the way carlos did. pls stay safe
I have never heard anything said against Denise before this video. Of course, being a terrible mother doesn’t deserve what happened, but I’ve always heard this case presented as an ungrateful son who lashed out when he didn’t get what he wanted. Thanks for the insight! The interviews with friends and foster family were excellent. It’s very concerning that she was a teacher and looking after autistic children with a temper like that.
Easier to blame it on some adopted brown kids than to acknowledge that their neighbour is an abusive racist psycho and that this kind of thing probably happens all the time.
But isn’t it ironic how he didn’t say a negative word WHATSOEVER when Angel made his claims, but once Denise is dead and gone, and he is who did it, NOW is when it comes out that she was racist and terrible in general… 🤷♂️ I’m no investigator but it seems to me like he was a spoiled brat…
@@mariyamniyaz that's true, however I don't think that abuse would be justified or explainable. Sure , she was a troubled lady that most likely was hurt as child too. Unfortunately, when these things aren't dealt with or resolved they are passed down because they repeat the behaviour. It's never been corrected or confronted so it's the only way they know to approach conflict. It's very sad because everyone of these people are victims in one way or another.
I am in no way condoning what Carlos did but it breaks my heart that he was abandoned by his biological parents and abused by his adoptive mother. I hope he finds peace someday.
You are only getting one side of the story. How bad could a person be that adopted 2 kids ? All of the problems were caused by the spoiled kids. Shame there isn't a way to give them back before they kill you. You have to have all the story
@@berrylee6787 clearly you don’t watch enough true crime. Check out Jennifer and Sarah Hart. Also look at statistics, a study of cases in metropolitan Atlanta found for those children who had recently entered the system, 15% had experienced abuse, neglect or other harmful conditions in just 1 year.
Wow, I’m only ten minutes in and this investigation is way deeper, better put together, and more informative than the numerous other videos on this case; even the Dateline coverage! He didn’t need to kill her of course but no one knew in this much detail how abusive she was until now.
@Shawn 🏴☠️ Stafford covid happened I think. And they couldn't go to places anymore for other reasons. I can't remember what they were but if anyone else remembers feel free to correct me
His life wasn't that bad. I'm not sure why everyone is pushing the blame solely onto adoptive mom instead of him. People glorify monsters so much these days.
Denise made Carlos what he was. I'm not saying he shouldn't have gone to jail, but a lot of the 'symptoms' of APD being touted are also signs of an abused child. Carlos was the child, Denise was the adult. She holds a lot of responsibility for what happened.
well also as ALL abused children you see THE ONE symptom in this relationship...you say it here actually shes the adult he's the child...the point is...no. Thats exactly it. She didn't treat NEITHEr like a child. They were her husbands. As often with women in these kinds of relationships sex does not have to be involved for them to decide themselves into making these kinds of relationships happen. Obviously the children cant resist or defend themselves so they are sadly perfect victims for women like this. And sadly it happens SO SOOO often that mothers deceive themselves into this pattern of " i do it for his/her best..." while in reality they just lie to themselves and harm the child.
My sister in law adopted a girl and though she and her husband were great parents she grew up to be a drug addict. Are they responsible? I think sometimes it's genetics and no matter what opportunities you get in life, you are just genetically what you are..Carlos was a killer..
@@thepamela050 Negative Pamela. Addictive personality disorder is one thing. Thing. This child was abused growing up, subjected to racism and emotional and possibly physical abuse by the one person he should have been able to count on. She was a piece of shit point blank period. And if your niece’s parents throw the fact that they “saved” her by adopting her and as a result she should never have addictive issues, then they’re pieces of shit too. Hate to break it to you, but don’t adopt unless you’re going to fully commit.
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I might get hate for this, but let's be real: Denise had it coming. She was awful, manipulative, and abused this troubled child to the point that he snapped. The only reason I say she didn't deserve to be murdered is because she should have been punished instead. I don't even believe Carlos has APD either; maybe BPD or something similar. He may have killed her, but he is the real victim in this story.
Yesnt. Yes, abuse is the worst. But that is no excuse for murder. If I killed everyone who ever abused me, the entire state of Texas would be dead. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Denise reminds me of my mom. I feel for anyone who has to deal with parents like this. I was considering suicide and when she found out she just started yelling at me and asking what I could possibly be sad about. Sometimes people aren’t met to be parents.
When I was a teenager and told my mom I was thinking of killing myself, her response was to blow up and yell, "how can you say that? How do you think it makes *me* feel to hear that?!" No awards for Parent of the Year were given out that night.
It's true. I had suffered physical, mental, and emotional abuse at the hands of my psychotic stepmother for over twenty years, and developed suicide ideation when I was barely a teenager (I was also diagnosed with ASD/Asperger's when I just turned 12 years old). My biological father did nothing to stop her from attacking me, as he cared more about HIS feelings, and getting laid than he did towards both my sister and I. My stepmother had a violent heart attack upon ingesting both her antipsychotics with great amounts of red wine, and died foaming at the mouth in April 2018. Karmic retribution had finally come to settle things in my so-called family, and not once did I shed tears at the memorial service for the monster who destroyed my life.
Narcissist mother here. I took an overdose as a young teen. Admittedly it was nowhere enough to kill me. My father sat on my bed next to me while my mother screamed at him to come to bed and leave me. Shouting, she's not going to die. Get to bed. No mention was ever made of it again.
Sounds like Denise was a piece of work and had that coming . I actually feel bad for Carlos. I grew up with a bipolar “parent” that was physically and mentally abusive to me and it was hell to say the least. I cut ties with her at the age of 17 and I’ve never looked back.
I have a bipolar mother who abused me for many years. When I was 15 she kicked me out of her house and I was homeless for two years. Fortunately I dug myself out of that situation and now I'm in my 30's and have a good life, though I'll never forget what I went through. I'm glad you managed to escape. I hope you're enjoying your life now!
Right...and the best way to deal w a tough mother is partying around, failing in school, getting girls, and drinking. That usually helps in relationships with parents, especially if they went through the same thing - adoption. So, stop making excuses for a sick person. If not the mother this time, it could be someone else later... anything can trigger people w such mental issues.
As a mother of a son hearing the way that the mother responded to her son pleading to her that he needed her while he was going through a mental health crisis is disgusting I feel so bad for that young man
Yeah it's a tragedy, In one way or another everyone of these people are victims. Denise was obviously a troubled lady that was more than likely abused as a child. It seems that she wanted to try and be the person to give these kids a chance at a good life. I truly believe her intentions were wholly good to begin with but if she never dealt with her own abuse as a child or sought out help to get closure or confront these powerful emotions, feelings, memories and fears... She ended up repeating the behaviour. Sustaining the abuse and passing on to her boys now. Please reach out for help if you are a victim or were at another time, if you are aware of abuse or have suspicion. End the cycle.
Same:/ as a mother and also as a woman who had the same treatment growing up. I’ve always wanted my own family to do better and show them all the love, words of affirmation, guidance, anything they need since I wasn’t given it. I now have a beautiful 9 month old baby boy and I’ve never loved anybody/anything SO MUCH! I can’t understand why my family was how they are. It just doesn’t seem possible to do that to a child in my view. But I guess we’re all different :c
@@alishaseverance7075 I don't think it's discipline he needed. My mother was abused. It outed itself through control freak behaviour, irrational ranting, ultimately a burnout and a hell of a situation at home. Sometimes kids just need / want a normal and balanced life, not freaky rants every day or, as a growing up teen, being belittled as a young man for all of your "mistakes" (sarc). I've also been adopted.
This is a story of an abuse victim pushed and pushed and pushed to their breaking point. Lashing out and committing a horrific act. He’s not justified in murdering her but she was an abuser and he was a victim his whole life.
@@Panda-cute so if a man is yelled at and called names daily by his wife, for years, she deserves and axe to the head? just trying to get this straight
@@flipnap2112 this was a child with no way out not a grown ass man 🤦♀️ and if it’s verbal not physical then no. She physically abused this boy. Don’t try to make it a black and white issue, it’s not that cut and dry
Every other coverage of this case doesn’t mention the abuse. Really makes you see things from another point of view. Thank you for sharing. Also people need to stop judging people on how they grieve. Everyone grieves differently
It's surprising he has no emotional reaction to his *abusive* mother's death? *weird* Makes me sad for the guy. As someone who was raised by an abusive father I can horrifyingly say, the reason you don't leave is because you assume they are doing the best they can and you convince yourself " this is what all parents do "
Why adopt a child if you're going to abuse them? 😢 Her plan, ultimately, may not have been to abuse those boys but knowing your adopted child's past and using it against them is heartbreaking and detrimental.. I don't agree with his actions but I can only imagine his pain.
Oh when you're being adopted you get to hear it quite a lot when you're young. "You wouldn't have had a life over there". You should be grateful type of expressions right. it's the classic cliché that people will say, and yes, that was annoying AF.
Yeah nah I reckon she planned to abuse them. Crazy short haired virtue signalling white women, they hate men, they’re full of anger, no man wants to be with them and being weak, they target children.
yeah. my thoughts exactly. this appears to be a situation where denise was abusive and showed extreme favoritism. of course angel started acting out! preteens don’t have the emotional capacity to properly process complex emotions.
„that's what abuse does to you" i can not agree more. my mother is very much like denise, i had to cut all ties recently because i felt myself getting angrier and angrier and losing myself more and more. i'm sorry for all of us that had to go through an abusive childhood, never forget who you are. you are your own person, you are not defined by being someone's child, you owe them nothing.
Yes. Can you imagine already feeling abandoned by your biological parents, and being adopted - and disappointed again, making you feel worse than before that nobody wants you. Racist remarks on top of it. So personal identity, race, everything. To him, if’s almost as if Knowing that his “kind” would suffer without white people like her to adopt him. I was raised by a psychopathic narcissist dad, and many times I contemplated going to bed with a knife. So yes, it’s something that really messes anyone up.
I didn't cry at my mums funeral when I was 12 because I didn't want to be a spectacle for people to stare at. One old lady asked me why I'm not crying and didn't I love my mother. It was so hurtful because people didn't understand I just wanted privacy. I was a very shy kid. I did end up with defiance disorder, but mainly because I learned how evil adults are when you're a kid with an inheritance
I didn't go to my father's funeral because I knew people would treat me like this as he was like the patriarch of the family. The biggest brother that would have their son in shame for not crying.
Probably one of the first times I have no empathy towards the “victim” and have empathy towards the person that committed the crime… I hope Carlos and Angel. An find peace.
Yeah, I'm trying to feel sorry for Denise - and obviously abuse in and of itself doesn't justify being killed - but I just can't seem to get there. She was a horrible mother who tormented her sons, who adopted them for selfish reasons, who sought out children from a particular culture then turned around and threw their culture in their faces with racist remarks, she locked her one son into his room with a bucket for a toilet, she completely disowned him when he acted out because of her abuse, she was callous and blamed her other son for his mental health issues and even his suicide attempt was boiled down to "he wrecked the truck". I really cannot muster an ounch of sympathy for this woman. It's similar to the Gypsy Rose Blanchard case. I have zero sympathy for Dee Dee, she was a disgusting human being who tortured her daughter for her own selfish needs. Her own family hated her so much that they flushed her ashes down the toilet, and I can't help but feel a little happy about that.
@@Panda-cute freed? Self defense is if she was abusing him in the moment , he did it when she was unaware of the situation…that’s cold and people like that don’t deserve to be freed. Many people go through abuse but don’t lash out like that. He knew what he did and never broke character when she died until he couldn’t keep it up. So nah..he’s guilty and deserves it. Could of just ran away like his step bro instead he stayed cause he wanted “freedom” , selfish all the way till he committed murder and not in self defense which is damn clear
I babysitted an adopted child for 8 years. His mother had several mental issues. For his first 3 years of life she stayed in bed the whole day every single day... To the point of trying to kill herself. She stayed in hospital for 10 days and came back home using a 'new drug' that could stabilised her brain somehow. I was very sorry for everybody in the house, mainly for Noah, the adopted boy. I've always wondered how an adoption agency could allow prospective parents to take a child home without requiring a psychiatric evaluation on both.
It might also be beneficial to conduct extensive background checks to determine if the child's environment affected his or her mental state and if they would be able to adapt to an adopted parent's home.
It's heartbreaking when people get abused to the point of developing personality disorders and then snapping and committing violent acts, only to just be sent off to prison. I'm not condoning what Carlos did, but he never asked for this life. He never asked to be adopted by an abusive, racist, selfish woman. His life was so bad that he tried to commit suicide. And now here he is, having to spend life in prison because he killed his ABUSER. He says that he doesn't wish for a lesser sentence, but I assure you that plenty other people who were in the exact same situation feel differently. It's just tragic. He was just a kid.
Unfortunately mental health intervention is not taken very seriously. Personality disorders don't make it so you can't understand right from wrong tho, he still understood it was wrong to kill but he didn't see any other way out
He was a bad kid, skipping school, doing drugs, partying when supposed to be studying. She was trying to deal with a bad kid and sometimes you just can't so she kicked him out and then he came back into the house and the trouble mounted.
@@brandon.export879 him killing his mother to save the lives of two people is a morally gray decision. deciding between removing your toxic mom from your life or murdering her to remove her from your life are not gray situations.
I’m sorry. Carlos doesn’t deserve life in prison. He was abused by someone who wanted to collect trinkets rather than be a parent.. there’s evidence of this. Meanwhile there are grown folk getting out after 20 years. Make it make sense.
People always talk about how adopted children are "damaged" and to look for the red flags in their behavior, yet rarely if ever thoroughly screen or analyse the adopter. As an adoptee, I've experienced being promised the world only to realize the only thing that changed was going from one toxic environment to another. Many adopters - particularly white, religious adopters - aren't seeking a child, they're seeking the experience of being a parent. There's a difference, and the thin line between the two is vanity. Adopting a child is no more life-changing than adopting a dog to them. They have no shame or remorse for any of the abuse they subject these children to, because they aren't children to them. They're props.
This!!!! Absolutely right, especially about the religious adopters. So many crime stories and severe chikd abuse cases come from ultra religious families. Those poor poor kids.
This!!!! Absolutely right, especially about the religious adopters. So many crime stories and severe chikd abuse cases come from ultra religious families. Those poor poor kids.
one of my parents has APD. So much of this was so familiar. The financial abuse, the verbal abuse, other adults secretly recording to catch their awful behavior, being made the scapegoat, the gas lighting, the constant list of misplaced responsibilities, the pros and cons list of living with that parent, etc. I'm thankful I had resources that Carlos obviously did not have. this one hit me hard.
Same. Right down to needing a notarized agreement in order to live at home. Whew this case was so triggering. I've been no contact with my mother for over 4 years and am still healing.
my dad was like that, so glad mom divorced him some years ago it hurts, and is triggering, but I'm glad we're safe now (he still contacts me and wishes to meet, but nah, I'm not that stupid tbh)
@Moth Box, same for me to all the things you described, except my parent has Borderline Personality Disorder. The only way for me to live a life with freedom, stability and freedom from abuse was for me to leave with police assistance - and eventually go no-contact. My parent lacks self-awareness and insight into their own behaviour. Carlos' Pros & Cons list could have been written by me and been accurate. I also had an estranged older sibling that was viewed as having been "bad' and 'disloyal' to my parent. Growing up I felt that I could not tell others what was going on, or ask for help, as I felt it would be a betrayal. Also, having seen my sibling punished for telling about what went on at home, I was fearful of the consequences from my parent. I was afraid of them and their aggression. I wonder if Carlos feels more free in prison, than living with Denise?
I believe that Angel's words about what the family did to him was true and after Angel ran away for good she turned her aggression toward Carlos whom was no longer a golden child in her eyes. She was a vile women and needed someone to take her anger and racism out on..
If you think about it. Death can literally come in so many ways, i really used to think that i have many years to live. Seriously it's not confirmed that we would die at 80 something.
Thats why you live the life you have. Accept everything with a smile. Even death is beautiful when you completely accept yourself. Just do you until you aren't there to do you anymore.
Y’all love to diagnosis everyone in every video with APD. You literally listed typically behaviors of a teenager and said “he must be antisocial.” He was an abused child who has a history of depression. Not everyone fits into the APD box you try to force them in.
Denise sounds a lot like my mother. I don't see my mother anymore. I won't be sad when she's dead. I certainly won't cry over her. We need to stop judging people over how they mourn based on societal expectations
@@twanvanderdonk2504 how? You cant just make a claim like that and not explain how you came to that conclusion. Its a fact of psychology that acceptance and forgiveness is the best way to move on. Without a grudge and without dwelling on the past or continuing to be a victim
@@krotchlickmeugh627 Because it's such a cheap and easy answer to give to someone who shares something that hurts them. "Just forgive," it's not different from "just try not to be sad" or "just don't be poor." Yeah, great in psychology, when you're actually in therapy and discussing how to forgive and how to get over things with a therapist. It's dogshit when someone just propagates it online. It's a difficult process, mate. It shouldn't just be thrown around lightly.
I totally blame the mother. She didn't deserve to die, but, she definitely created the situation. Carlos could have been a better person with a different parent. Most kids act out due to turmoil in the home. That kid didn't have a chance with a mother like her.
@@R3LAPZE i dont think you watched this video properly at all. He crashed the car to khs and she didnt care. she showed him no affection and tret him badly. childrens brains develop differently when they are not shown affection and are neglected you should rewatc the entire video duck
What is wrong with you people!? Carlos MURDERED his adoptive mother WITH AN AXE. It does not matter if she yelled at him for being promiscuous, buying drugs, causing $15,000 worth of damge). YOU DON'T GET TO F**KING KILL PEOPLE WITH AN AXE! This person is so stupid that he asked about having LITERAL MURDER expunged from his record and then going to college. He is not stupid. He is an absolute fucking moron. Carlos thought COLD-BLOODED, GRUESOME MURDER is some kind go to jail for a few days kind of crime. He, OBVIOUSLY, does not value people's lives and he is a danger to society. Yet, here you all are talking about "racism", which has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS MURDER INVESTIGATION. Do you also, talk like this when teenagers commit mass murder in schools too? You people are some of the most ridiculous, outrageous, ignorant people I have ever seen!
So she mistreated the son who probably wouldn't have killed her, but the "good" son did kill her.....the irony! And she shouldn't have had ANY kids in her care!
She knew the damage she was doing when she said those horrible things to him. It's bad when you hear a 8th grade drop out tell a kid they're not wanted. When someone with a PhD in child development says it, it shows she's a disgusting person. I don't think she adopted those boys because she had so much love to give. I think she wanted them to worship, fear and obey her.
@@alexandriaberry6270 maybe for a slightly more rational mind... money is a strong motivator 4 many things, but in this case I feel the circumstances r far more psychological than anything 4 all parties involved
@@Wrdz288she wanted slaves, she knows adopting out of the country that the American system would help her...she may have everything down on paper that's ticks all the boxes unless U live in a house with her that's another story. Jus my opinion
I’m not qualified in any way but from what I heard in this video, it doesn’t sound like premeditated murder. Obviously this 30 minute video doesn’t show the whole picture though. Thanks for the great video EWU crew!
this case is in a grey area. He only thought about killing her after grabbing the axe to chop wood and having a heated argument. It could be argued that between the moment he grabbed the axe to chop wood and the moment he killed her was not long enough to be construed as premeditation. But the murder didn’t happen in the ‘heat of the moment’ because she had been asleep for a while when he struck her.
I didn't here him being rude, i heard a kid being interrogated by police and being upset that they are accusing him. Every one reacts to death differently. When my dad passed i was numb for a month. I didn't cry at all until a month after the funeral I felt like i had to be strong for my little brother
Yeah, that drove me nuts. Too often, people point at suspects NOT being angry at the police and call that evidence of guilt. So, which is it? What's the "right" reaction?
Bro, being upset that the cops are trying to pin it on you doesn’t mean your a sociopath. People or color don’t trust police. That assumption was so uncalled for
Denise was actually an instructor of mine!! I have family and friends who knew Carlos while in school at the time of all of this! This case is truly insane! And heartbreaking!
That's why I always say, it doesn't matter who you marry, adopt,or give birth to or befriend. You can still have racist thoughts and ignorance. She raised him and still said that hateful thing to him. SMH
Part of me feels bad for Carlos. And it’s mostly in a “he never stood a chance” kind of way. Everything with his biological parents and then the abuse… it was just a perfect recipe for disaster.
Thank you so much, EWU, for putting red flags at the end of your videos. I was the victim of a malignant narcissist for two years and just recently got out. I'm starting to realize how much danger I was in, and having validation and reminders (especially because victims struggle with self doubt because of low self esteem and gaslighting) like the ones at the end of your videos could potentially save a life. Keep up the good work.
I feel you. My mother-in-law is a malignant narcissist, with her aggression directed at me, for 17 yrs!! All that time, I didn't understand what her problem was. It wasn't until we went no contact, and moved far away last year, that I did some research, and found out about this bizarre personality disorder. I'm so glad we were able to get away. She did everything is her power to wreck our marriage, and when that didn't work, she tried to financially ruin us. Her own family!! Her own grandkids!! It's disgusting behavior, and I'm really sorry you had to experience this as well. Good riddance!!! NO CONTACT!!! 🌷🙏🌷
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 thank u 4 recognizing the narcissism n pointing it out... I only learned about that in recent yrs, n now I find it very troubling that our entire nation rioted ovr BLM but I believe APDs will be the true reason 4 our downfall as a species (nothing against BLM, btw)
I feel like it’s odd that they said that him being defensive was a trait of mental illness because usually when they don’t defend themselves when the interrogators hint that they think that they are a suspect they always say that they didn’t defend themselves because they could be the suspect it’s just funny how finally somebody was defensive and now they take it as a mental illness trait
Boarded up windows and a bucket tells me all I need to know. Angel tried to tell everyone. Carlos does not deserve life. Denise may not have deserved death but to keep abusing and traumatizing a child for years. And ppl act confused when they snap. They’re human too.
The system failed him by placing him with her. They were both troubled and she couldn't be bothered. There's no justification for what he did and unfortunately she paid the price for the neglect he faced. And now he'll face the price for his actions.
@EWU Thank you for explaining the real situation concerning Denise and Carlos' relationship. I too was under the impression that Denise did everything to be a loving mother figure in Carlos' life and she was rewarded by him implanting an axe in her skull so he could inherit all she owned for himself. I was also under the impression that Angel just didn't fit in there, mainly because Carlos was jealous. After seeing this it's obvious that Denise was not a suitable candidate for being an adoptive parent. Angel being imprisoned like he was is just awful, you've gotta accept that adoption is never smooth sailing, there's gonna be a lot of stormy waters to overcome and a lot of those issues are down to mistrust on the adoptees side. Denise should've been prepared for that. Boarding up windows, mattresses on the floor, buckets for human waste and a mother turned jailer is hardly gonna settle any adoptive child, or teach them that's what they get for running away! Those boys should've both been removed for good from Denise as soon as she was arrested for child abuse. The environment she provided was toxic. Love was switched to threats and any kind of self worth the boys had left was jeered at alongside racial slurs. Nobody deserves to be murdered, but Denise provided enough of the ingredients in this toxic stew, it was Carlos that brought it to the boil, then served it. All other channels that covered "The Apple Pie Murder" leave out anything that may be seen as negative about Denise. The recordings with Carlos, Denise and the neighbour are really disturbing when Denise screams "SHUT UP. SHUT UP". She sounds unhinged, acting like that, out of control in someone else's house!! It wouldn't surprise me if she was responsible for disecting the neighbours cat and chicken so they'd be suspicious of Carlos and not side with him when he and Denise fell out. Just a thought! 🤷♀️😉
I just watched a video on "that chapter" about this case and the abuse allegations were brought up but then dismissed. Glad I found this video to tell the rest of the story
Well, as for the cat, maybe. But then again I see this woman as the typical abuser that pushes children to grow up to be killers. There's a lot of similarities here with childhood stories we've heard from convicted serial killers. So, while killing animals is obviously horrific, in a way it does seem like a logical outlet for a child that has no control and power in their life. He takes dominance over the animal and does to it what he can't do to the mom. I think anyone pushed to extremes will act out in ways that they can't even explain to themselves, especially true of children.
That recording at 8:47 pissed me off. She was horrible. Who makes a child pay for so much stuff that he owes $600 and this is just what we heard...I can only imagine what was said that wasn't heard
Carlos MURDERED his adoptive mother WITH AN AXE. It does not matter if she yelled at him for being promiscuous, buying drugs, cutting cats in half, and causing $15,000 worth of damge. YOU DON'T GET TO KILL PEOPLE WITH AN AXE! This person is so stupid that he asked about having LITERAL MURDER expunged from his record and then going to college. Carlos ACTUALLY thought that COLD-BLOODED, GRUESOME MURDER is some kind of "no big deal", go to jail for a few days crime. Do you, like him, not understand the seriousness of the crime? Did you completely miss all of this information?
My grandmother sent my mom away when things got "hectic" as my own mother did to us. This isn't what you do with your children when things get "hectic" imo. Luckily, my own children, even going through their teenage "phases" were able to work things out between us. Sending your "problem" away doesn't fix anything. The problems still remain when they return. It's learning how to work with those problems and show support and love. A child should never feel unwanted. I'm no "perfect parent" (if there even is such a thing) and definitely made many mistakes. There is no loss of love between my children or even my mother. (I come from a "shaming and blaming" manipulative family, unfortunately, learned behavior passes down from generation to generation. However, it doesn't have to remain that way. Have accountability and own up to your mistakes. Many things are forgivable, in fact, most mistakes are...(don't know if I could forgive a child sex predator, other than doing such act in order to go on with my life..I guess it depends on the situation)....
THANK YOU Also was "sent away" as a kid several times and still deal with abandonment issues fifteen years later. I don't have kids of my own, but if I ever do, I know I would never make them feel unloved and unwanted or beyond redemption in any way.
The worst part about cases like these is that the people get punished, but the people who cause them to become fucked up in the first place don't get held responsible at all. Maybe if we started holding parents responsible for fucking up their children there would be less bad parents.
denise saying carlos owe her 15k for a car, when he's trying to harm himself, and then saying to the neighbor that carlos owe her his phone bills when she's the one who make decisions to 'take care' of him, is such a big red flag... it seems like, in this toxic "mother-son" relationship, there will only one survivor... i will not be surprised if there's a life insurance taken on behalf of carlos by denise... i mean the way she is described by the neighbor give me impression that denise adopting a child as an investment not out of love... 😢😢
This is literally the one and only best coverage on this situation on TH-cam! Other channels have covered it and painted a pictures of Denise being a good mom and did what she could do give her kids a better life
They do not portray Denise as a good mom. They just talk about how much of a ridiculous, ignorant, gruesome murderer Carlos is, without even realizing it. Big difference.
Denise, was just a strict parent. Carlos was an entitled adopted silly human and i think that Stephanie must have had something against Denise or whatever they didn't sit together for. The real meaning of 'Abuse' is not recorded anywhere in this. It was right, according to me, for Denise to feel discouraged by Carlos' bad behavior, which actually happens among parents, they just don't say. I don't know whether Stephanie was a parent but she has no knowledge and understanding of the smallest societal roles and manners. If you think i am wrong, how would you feel adopting a child and staying to realize that he is not even appreciating having a mother. Angel was just for the streets as far as my understanding is. TRUST ME, ADOPTION IS AT TIMES THE START OF THE REALIZATION OF WHY YOU'D NEVER HAD A CHILD.
I know people with parents like Denise, and I can say I have seen the same anger and emotional detachment from them as I do from Carlos. Denise shouldn't have died, but this was a situation of her own creation. I hope Carlos gets a second chance at life when his case is reviewed if he is found to be eligible.
Never do violent things when you are upset, that includes hitting a punching bag, shooting guns...and ya stuff like using an axe 🪓 . If you are upset, go for a jog, lift some weights. When you channel your anger into violence, you WILL eventually take it out on someone.
This is one of those cases where my sympathy is with the perpetrator. I don't believe he has APD, he is clearly capable of maintaining functional relationships (the neighbour who took him in) and has empathy. He even accepted his sentence because he acknowledges his wrongdoing. A psychopath would never do that. The mother on the other hand is a textbook case. This is one of those cases where I think the American justice system is broken. He should not spend the rest of his life in jail. This was not premeditated murder but a classic case of an abused person lashing out at their abuser. He needed better lawyers. He should be out in ten years after some extensive counselling.
Listening to the video he sound like he can also have BPD/bipolar disorder (which can also manifest in all of symptoms that he said), which was exactly what he was diagnosed with. It's possible to have other disorders to come out from abuse sigh. I agree with OP. Tbh i'm a new listener to this channel, but to whoever runs this, not every killer has APD.
@@grimlesbians @homekeys i remember this study where a doc is studing people with sociopathy, mapped out his brain, found out that he WAS one, but he had a healthy relationship with his family. I would keep listening to this channel but all the generalising is just... Why
@@grimlesbians A person with psychopathy would never feel "bad" for what they did. They are incapable of that. Instead they would continue to manipulate until the very end. Sociopathy is trickier, some empathy is definitely possible with that disorder. This is not about trying to stigmatise mental disorders, I myself have been diagnosed with BPD. I definitely believe he could have a personality disorder, it just isn't an antisocial one.
He was an abused child who dealt with constant abuse and insults concerning his race. I feel sorry for him and i truly believe he is a victim and was pushed to his breaking point, free carlos
Laughable. That beast was messed up in the head. Its wild how u morons always try to make excuses and justifications for these monsters. So many people have been verbally, mentally or s*xully abused and they dont murder people. Stop justifying murder. If you ask any teen they're gonna say their parents are the worst. Well most. He sounds like a selfish brat who wanted to do what HE wanted to do. Pidd. Gross.
As a fan of true crime and a fan of your channel, it's such an odd feeling seeing content about things that happened in your own town. My younger sister graduated with Carlos and he worked at the same grocery store I worked at for my first job. This case was polarizing in our town. Great work as always.
agreed, there is an episode by EXPLORE WITH US on Shawn Grate, a serial killer in my hometown. Very eerie to hear all of the details of something so awful, so close to home.
I love Inverness...i camp there often. I Csnt believe this!!!! Did you guys work at the grocery store next to Pizza Hut? If soooo... that's where I get my fire wood. So so so sad.
All those “symptoms” of APD sound like every teenager… Especially those struggling with their home life…I know people with APD who checked none of those boxes as teenagers or now… There’s definitely something up with that lady. The fact that she didn’t want another son, but a “companion” for her current one is a huge red flag to me. & I’m sorry but locking any child in a room is NEGLECT & a fire hazard. I can’t believe they allowed her out let alone dropped the charges!! How many true crime stories have come out involving children being confined in a locked space?! Also, Usually, if kids are running away, there’s something wrong. Especially, if it’s that frequently.
Yeah, the leap to APD diagnosis seems so bizarre to me. All the symptoms listed are also present in abuse victims, teenagers, and those with Bipolar Disorder (which he was actually diagnosed with). Why does the video leap to the 4th possible conclusion, especially when Carlos was literally diagnosed with something else?
Carlos is why I'm uneasy with adopting children who are complete sociopaths, just waiting for an excuse to commit murder. Carlos thought COLD-BLOODED, GRUESOME MURDER is some kind of meager, go to jail for a few days, kind of crime.
Wow, I’ve watched vids on this case and never knew of the moms abuse. It’s so crazy how so many vids can leave out so much context. I never even knew he had a brother. Thanks for making this video and putting the in the time to get the whole story out. The additional context makes the story sadder, but at least you told it fairly.
The money thing sounds exactly like my mother. I moved out nearly 20 years ago for that exact reason, and to this day she still says I owe her money for this or that. And the sad thing is, I have loaned her a lot of money through the years based on her promises to pay it back. Then when I ask for it, she says she doesn't owe me anything because of XYZ from decades ago - something she paid for when I was a child or whatever.
The victimhood was so strong he tried end his self before doing it to her. Like everyone says doesn’t justify the actions but her son was in her face crying for help, he needed her and if she had helped him maybe they would’ve made out together 🤦🏽♀️
It’s probably a good thing my sister took my threats seriously. I appreciate the red flags in your video. I was once out of control and dangerously antisocial. I went through a lot of counseling and therapy and gave up drugs and alcohol and am no longer in that state of mind and body so he’s right to take those things seriously. I had all kinds of weapons strewn about and was very much so at the tipping point.
She acted like she was getting a puppy for her "son" to play with. My uncle, rest is peace, would always say "You die the life you live" 🤷🏾♀️ Also, not a chance in hell you'd barge into my house and start telling me to shut up. Not a chance...🙄
The detectives wasn't being all that nice in the beginning, and him saying "I don't know you guys are detectives, aren't you supposed to figure it out" wasnt condescending, just matching their energy
The comment she said about him, "being another idiot at the border." Wow who says that to a kid? I feel as if she adopted these poor kids but had racist feelings toward them and made sure they knew she didn't actually care for them. Not saying she deserved murder but I don't feel much sympathy for her. I feel bad for the two boys.
Never heard this version before. I always thought he was just an ungrateful son who didn’t get what he wanted and killed because of it. She literally made him into that monster. Wow.
I stayed with my abusive mother until my early 20s because the psychological abuse makes you stay!!!! You are trapped emotionally. She told me my whole life I was worthless and helpless and didnt know how to do anything. She failed to teach me basic life skills. Its all about control and she held on tight until my mid 20s when I finally broke free. Still to this day, in my 30s she pulls me back with phone calls or texts and I have to do my all to keep her in line, keep her at an arms length so that she doesnt take control again. Not saying he should get out scot free...but that type of abuse is all consuming and mind numbing. That could have been me. He needs help more than prision.
I've always questioned why people try to over analyze someone based solely on how they show their grieving, or on their lack of grieving. You'd hardly even need to have common sense to realize there are countless ways in which people express their grief, or lack of... Surely in some or probably even most cases there is someone who grieves in a way that seems fucking weird
The abuse from her sounds so much like my dad. I was never good enough. He told my mum she should of aborted me. I was hit just for looking at him the wrong way. Being so unwanted at 15 I wrote a letter. I never gave it to my dad but I kept it next to my bed. When I was 19 he found it (yes he would snoop around my room) In that letter I told him exactly what I thought of him. It was a relief to know that he finally knew how much I hated him. Still now I think about it. And my childhood. He was cruel. Mum would make excuses for him. Yet they would row about me too. I left home a few months later. Never used to go back and see him. Now I'm 48 and have terminal cancer he wants to be a doting dad. It seems like it's me who is being punished for all he did to me 🥺
Man, this hit me pretty deep. I grew very similarly. I’m just now starting to get the help I need at age 24. My sister has autoimmune diseases and a lot of doctors have linked long term health issues with high levels of cortisol from constant fear and anxiety as a child unfortunately. I hope you’ve been able to find as much peace as possible. ❤️
@Censorship Sucks they never said that..?? When you live with someone on the APD spectrum you never know how they’ll react or what will trigger them and when. Like this video mentioned as well, these adults do not know how to regulate their emotions and can act very impulsively. For example, I would be minding my own business doing things I normally would as a kid, but that day my dad may be particularly stressed from work/finances (circa 2003 recession) and something would flip internally & he would snap & take it out on my sister and I.
Are we going to talk about how that teenage girl decided, unprompted, to do a sting. And pulled it off successfully? That’s crazy. Good for you Ms. Encyclopedia Brown.
Growing up, my childhood was so much like his. My mom was a toxic person, at 6 thru 15 1/2 i was being molested by her husband (number 3 out of 5 known about), she literally told my older sister how sorry she was and how bad she felt, then she looked at me and in an accusingly voice said (i will never forget) what's wrong with you? You want all my husbands' Um wow, my dad was hubby number 2 and she snagged me from him for a child support check that never showed. This mad her anger towards me even worse. At 16 i was kicked out and that was the start of her coming home drunk, kicking me out after battering me mentally and shaming me in front of my brother and sister. There was so much more worse she did but that's a bit. I'm 53 years old now, a grandmother and yes she is still alive and no i do not communicate with her. Ever. My childhood took me years to over come, only after meeting my father at age 49, did my soul begin to rest. Knowing he wanted me and tried, but as evil as she was/is he had no chance. I hope whomever is young and going thru shit, it can get better, there is always someone good willing to help. Even a stranger can become your best friend. Don't seek a deadly revenge, even in your mind. Seek revenge by letting go of the toxic, asking for help if needed, and being happy....that's the best revenge ever. Peace and be safe
She was adopted too, she had the spirit of rejection which manifests demons in someone’s life . She took out her anger of being adopted onto another adopted child . The seed of evil has been planted . When you have a bad tree it will grow bad fruit . Periodt. Everything has a cause and effect unfortunately people don’t think about it until it bites them back .
My real mother was r*ped and my adoptive mother was constantly verbally and emotionally abusive to me. You bet I've had plenty of demons. Thank God I never chose to have kids.
In the world where even blood related parents get cancelled for saying "not allowed" it's no wonder adoptive parents are blamed. In my country there's a girl who reported own parents for wanting her to get good grades. She attended one the best schools, cos her parents apparently pressured her. They demanded her to study first, and then do other things. She was attending piano classes and english courses as well. So she fed up and reported them. Well, juvenile system took her away, she was 13 or smth. And we don't have foster system, so now she stayed in orphanage. No good school, no piano or English lessons, nothing. I hope she's happy now.
As somebody diagnosed with a personality disorder, you always always ALWAYS have the responsibility to work on your impulse control/self regulation/ect.
I hate it when people are judged based on how they grieve. Losing his mom could have also made him angry making him upset with the cops for questioning him instead of looking for someone else. The audio is also out of context, maybe the officer was trying to rile him up? There is plenty of other evidence but I find behavior towards officers and the public a terrible reason to say someone is guilty.
Regardless of the "he said, she said" & whichever person's aggressive behavior was deemed "worse" ... Denise was still the 'parent' in the relationship & was supposed to have been the mature adult in that dynamic. As such, I feel like she should have been held to a much higher standard. Wounds resulting from physical altercations heal without much effort but recovering from deep, emotional & psychological damage inflicted over the course of many years requires a substantial amount of time & dedication. I'm in no way excusing Carlos' behavior but I do feel that his family dynamic & his tumultuous relationship with his mother should have been considered as mitigating factors in his sentencing. Denise absolutely did not deserve what happened to her but I strongly feel that a greater level of responsibility for Carlos' anti-social personality development lies with her. He may be in prison for the remainder of his life but at least he's free of the psychological torment he endured throughout his childhood. Tragically sad situation all around.
@@Panda-cute carlos should not be free, even if he was an abuse victim, he still comitted *murder*. that being said, the abuse was a factor in his decision, a factor that should've been considered in his sentencing.
@@jimena.the.swiftie I disagree 🤷🏻♀️ murdering someone who physically and mentally abuses you to that point, a child, shouldn’t get jail. Therapy and a record sure but nah poor guy didn’t earn jail
@@Panda-cute i actually disagree, there are many grave abuse victims who don't murder their abusers, if someone is capable of killing another person they don't deserve to be "free", im not saying straight up jail, but they should at least be held in a mental health facility for enough years (until they're fit for society). that's why i said that the circumstances should be considered in a trial🤷♀️
This kid is probably guilty, but people really need to stop judging people based on how they grieve. My aunts literally made my mom's funeral a nightmare because I wasn't crying. I was taking it in in the best way I knew... to hide it. Sorry, but not everyone cries in front of a million visitors
Your aunts sound terrible. Im sorry you had to go through that. Pls know that they are the weird ones, not you!
That isn't what's being noted here. It isn't just no crying, it's a coupling of factors/traits that were noticed, not one simple thing. They clearly state this in the video, with credentials to back it up, and they were reporting what *investigators* noticed that sent up a red flag.
@Ira Mills Yeah, that's actually fairly common. What sent the red flag here wasn't laughing, or no crying, it was complete emotional flatness, while also being condescending and completely functional, so not flat in a numb, shocked way.
@NZXTLXVXL¹³³⁷ I also nervous laugh, my body just doesn't know how else to react! People judge me the same way :(
PROBABLY ??? :D :D
Denise telling family and friends she didn't "want another son" just wanted Carlos to "experience having a sibling" was such a huge and immediate red flag. You don't get to adopt a child and say it's "for" your other child as though a child can be gifted to someone like a toy. I'm not saying parents don't have kids and want them to have siblings, that's a huge reason a lot of people try for more. But it cannot be the only reason. You didn't adopt a brother for your son, you adopted a child who needed a mother. And Denise clearly wasn't a mother to either of those boys. I am in no way condoning murder, but you can tell that the abuse at her hands lead both those boys down a darker path instead of a better one. It's a tragedy for everyone.
Absolutely 💯 Well said and analyzed
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Honestly, child abusers deserve death. but it should be the justice system to do it not the individual. so sad for those boys
@Bryan yeah sure I’ll do it. You act like that’s somehow going to make me back down 🙄 I would pull the trigger on any number of child abusers very happily.
Lexa, very well said! I agree 💯
Man, I rarely am able to find a shred of sympathy for murderers but Denise made me both fearful and angry just listening to that minute long recording. She created a monster and the monster killed her.
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Kind of yes
She sure was the adult and should have send her 2 boys in a psych for tests and help
Plus what she said about I dont want another child but for my son to have a brother is just horrible to say
I agree!!! I’m still shaken by her coldness, tone + everything they said about her.
Absolutely agree.
Seriously. She pissed me off. Especially when you adopt children from troubling backgrounds you need to be extra sensitive and expect problems. Angels room was apalling
Why are people so shocked when a kid who has been abusive and tortured for years by a parent finally snaps and kills them.
Because people found abuse "normal" in their time. It was so normalized, now that it's not okay anymore people are shocked. It's so morbid and messed up...
i dont understand it either. Failed by all at so many points in their life. HOW POSSIBLY could they see themselves, in a situation SO escapeless, they consider killing a person literally destroying their life? ...UNTHINKABLE! Its another: things easy to judge if you haven't walked the path...so bet 99% of people will do so. Judge.
Most sadly though the EWU guy seems to be quite certain he knows it all too. The one really bad thing about the channel. The black/white way of depicting things that arent. Sadly i feel, he really truly sees it this way...And honestly for someone making SO many videos...i expect more honestly. At least SOME sense of reality at some point? Instead this Hollywood pattern. smh. Its sad as the content is high quality other ways. But this distance profiling his"chosen perpetrator of the video". Which...i mean OBVIOUSLY is ridiculous from any standpoint, considering the data released in cases...as said i just expected more by now, looking at the long list of vids made on the topic and time obviously spent on it.
Because most people who are abused don't kill their abusers...
@@MateriaHunter .....Yeah, even in the cases where they would be totally justified in doing so. Like when they have told multiple agencies and people about it, and NOT been helped!!!! It is called self defense.
@@tabularasa7775 I would say being an abuse victim is a very good justification
She was vile. Why would you adopt a child from a race you didn’t like when you’re gonna throw shit like that to the poor kid’s face ?
Y be racist in the first place? Should be considered a mental illness.
What she said was right. These people would have nothing if not for white people.
Free carlos
She could've just been using race as an insult. It's pretty common for people to not actually be racist, but throw racial insults at one another when they're upset.
@@RetardationAwareness if your first instinct is to hurl racial insults I look at you funny no matter what
After hearing how Denise treated Carlos, you know Angel was the black sheep and treated like garbage til he ran away. Then she literally imprisoned him. It's literally torture and she got away with it because the golden child was afraid to have that abuse to turn around on him. Once angel was gone, Carlos was the new scapegoat. Very common in APD parents.
Murder is never the answer, but sometimes you see someone get murdered and you think, "ye well.. that makes sense."
Lord have mercy on everyone involved here.
Yeah, after how she talked to him in front of company, my god... Lord knows what she did when no-one was looking. I mean I don't really want her to die, but her constant racist remarks and lording his security over him. It's really no suprise he killed her.
Taco trash harming us. Expected as usual.
Ok hear me out...he was driven to try killing himself, that didn't work, and neither did trying to get away from her...what else could he do honestly from his perspective if she really was that awful
What about all the good she did? It's hard to take care of your own child how much more raising a child you have no idea who he is? She was a good person to do that. People are not perfect, you think my mom never abused me verbally? If i was alone with an older boy she would think i had sex with him!!! Lol
But i loved her didn't kill her. She thought her driving, gave him everything; and then when he acted bad, she verbally punishment him. What else could she do? I will they allowed parents to physically punish kids sometimes, i mean slap in the face kinda thing, like we got it when we were kids. We never hold it against our parents. You think i am upset because my mom hit me in my head with a pot?
God bless her, i laugh when i remember those things
@@HVAC356 sorry you were attacked and abused by your parent. it's hard for a child who grows up like that to reconcile that the only person who should have been protecting them was the one violating them. children are dependent on their parents and many abusive parents know how small and important a baby is, and what their dependency means. You never should have been touched or spoken to that way. you never deserved to be treated lke shit. You are so much more than the pain your parents forced on you. this woman never should have had children. she was trying to fix her problems of abandomnent by holding two children she "saved" hostage in a relationship that was supposed to be healthy and meaningful, and instead her actions destroyed two lives and ended one. I'm sorry for your pain. I hope your children never have to feel like they need to resort to violence the way carlos did. pls stay safe
I have never heard anything said against Denise before this video. Of course, being a terrible mother doesn’t deserve what happened, but I’ve always heard this case presented as an ungrateful son who lashed out when he didn’t get what he wanted. Thanks for the insight! The interviews with friends and foster family were excellent. It’s very concerning that she was a teacher and looking after autistic children with a temper like that.
Easier to blame it on some adopted brown kids than to acknowledge that their neighbour is an abusive racist psycho and that this kind of thing probably happens all the time.
Exactly--
But then she s not alive to tell her story.
But isn’t it ironic how he didn’t say a negative word WHATSOEVER when Angel made his claims, but once Denise is dead and gone, and he is who did it, NOW is when it comes out that she was racist and terrible in general… 🤷♂️ I’m no investigator but it seems to me like he was a spoiled brat…
@@mariyamniyaz that's true, however I don't think that abuse would be justified or explainable. Sure , she was a troubled lady that most likely was hurt as child too. Unfortunately, when these things aren't dealt with or resolved they are passed down because they repeat the behaviour. It's never been corrected or confronted so it's the only way they know to approach conflict. It's very sad because everyone of these people are victims in one way or another.
I am in no way condoning what Carlos did but it breaks my heart that he was abandoned by his biological parents and abused by his adoptive mother. I hope he finds peace someday.
You are only getting one side of the story. How bad could a person be that adopted 2 kids ? All of the problems were caused by the spoiled kids. Shame there isn't a way to give them back before they kill you. You have to have all the story
@@berrylee6787 did u miss the witness accounts and prior charge of child abuse? theres multiple sides pointing in that direction
@@berrylee6787 you must have missed all the horrifying cases of parents that adopt kids and abuse them. It’s happens ALL THE TIME
@@berrylee6787 clearly you don’t watch enough true crime. Check out Jennifer and Sarah Hart.
Also look at statistics, a study of cases in metropolitan Atlanta found for those children who had recently entered the system, 15% had experienced abuse, neglect or other harmful conditions in just 1 year.
Now hes in prison and He has tattooed his face and neck and shaved his head. It's crazy
"Carlos is emotionally flat"
*Clip of Carlos showing emotion*
Wow, I’m only ten minutes in and this investigation is way deeper, better put together, and more informative than the numerous other videos on this case; even the Dateline coverage! He didn’t need to kill her of course but no one knew in this much detail how abusive she was until now.
Yep, EWU's great.
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His life wasn't that bad. I'm not sure why everyone is pushing the blame solely onto adoptive mom instead of him. People glorify monsters so much these days.
Denise made Carlos what he was. I'm not saying he shouldn't have gone to jail, but a lot of the 'symptoms' of APD being touted are also signs of an abused child. Carlos was the child, Denise was the adult. She holds a lot of responsibility for what happened.
well also as ALL abused children you see THE ONE symptom in this relationship...you say it here actually shes the adult he's the child...the point is...no. Thats exactly it. She didn't treat NEITHEr like a child. They were her husbands. As often with women in these kinds of relationships sex does not have to be involved for them to decide themselves into making these kinds of relationships happen. Obviously the children cant resist or defend themselves so they are sadly perfect victims for women like this.
And sadly it happens SO SOOO often that mothers deceive themselves into this pattern of " i do it for his/her best..." while in reality they just lie to themselves and harm the child.
absolutely
My sister in law adopted a girl and though she and her husband were great parents she grew up to be a drug addict. Are they responsible? I think sometimes it's genetics and no matter what opportunities you get in life, you are just genetically what you are..Carlos was a killer..
@@thepamela050 Negative Pamela. Addictive personality disorder is one thing. Thing. This child was abused growing up, subjected to racism and emotional and possibly physical abuse by the one person he should have been able to count on. She was a piece of shit point blank period. And if your niece’s parents throw the fact that they “saved” her by adopting her and as a result she should never have addictive issues, then they’re pieces of shit too. Hate to break it to you, but don’t adopt unless you’re going to fully commit.
@@thepamela050 ...There are worse things than a drug addict.
Will you quit using the same title on all your videos.
Haha I agree!
Its the same title cuz its a series.
Totally agree. I can't tell which ones I've watched and which ones I haven't. TH-cam is supposed to show that, but with these it doesn't.
@brucescheiman4888 if you click the like button after every video you watch then you'll know, that's a tip on here someone gave me when I was struggling with the same thing, it works great for me , good luck 👍
“The most bizzare case you have ever heard”
“The most crazy case you have ever heard”
“The most wild case you have ever heard”
“The most horny case you have ever heard”
I might get hate for this, but let's be real: Denise had it coming. She was awful, manipulative, and abused this troubled child to the point that he snapped. The only reason I say she didn't deserve to be murdered is because she should have been punished instead. I don't even believe Carlos has APD either; maybe BPD or something similar. He may have killed her, but he is the real victim in this story.
The kid is horrible
*eye roll* more murder worship.
No Hate here 😊😊😊😎😎
because YOU are CORRECT
Yesnt. Yes, abuse is the worst. But that is no excuse for murder. If I killed everyone who ever abused me, the entire state of Texas would be dead. Two wrongs don't make a right.
@@seiyuokamihimura5082 I highly doubt the entire state of Texas abused you like Carlos was abused like Denise 😂😂
Denise reminds me of my mom. I feel for anyone who has to deal with parents like this. I was considering suicide and when she found out she just started yelling at me and asking what I could possibly be sad about. Sometimes people aren’t met to be parents.
When I was a teenager and told my mom I was thinking of killing myself, her response was to blow up and yell, "how can you say that? How do you think it makes *me* feel to hear that?!" No awards for Parent of the Year were given out that night.
It's true. I had suffered physical, mental, and emotional abuse at the hands of my psychotic stepmother for over twenty years, and developed suicide ideation when I was barely a teenager (I was also diagnosed with ASD/Asperger's when I just turned 12 years old). My biological father did nothing to stop her from attacking me, as he cared more about HIS feelings, and getting laid than he did towards both my sister and I.
My stepmother had a violent heart attack upon ingesting both her antipsychotics with great amounts of red wine, and died foaming at the mouth in April 2018. Karmic retribution had finally come to settle things in my so-called family, and not once did I shed tears at the memorial service for the monster who destroyed my life.
Praying for your healing! I hope you're doing well now. There's more to life, don't give up🖤
Narcissist mother here. I took an overdose as a young teen. Admittedly it was nowhere enough to kill me. My father sat on my bed next to me while my mother screamed at him to come to bed and leave me. Shouting, she's not going to die. Get to bed.
No mention was ever made of it again.
Sounds like my husband's mom... I'm always mediating...
Sounds like Denise was a piece of work and had that coming . I actually feel bad for Carlos. I grew up with a bipolar “parent” that was physically and mentally abusive to me and it was hell to say the least. I cut ties with her at the age of 17 and I’ve never looked back.
I have a bipolar mother who abused me for many years. When I was 15 she kicked me out of her house and I was homeless for two years. Fortunately I dug myself out of that situation and now I'm in my 30's and have a good life, though I'll never forget what I went through. I'm glad you managed to escape. I hope you're enjoying your life now!
Right...and the best way to deal w a tough mother is partying around, failing in school, getting girls, and drinking. That usually helps in relationships with parents, especially if they went through the same thing - adoption. So, stop making excuses for a sick person. If not the mother this time, it could be someone else later... anything can trigger people w such mental issues.
@liamx6636 Almont everyone has to deal w parents but how many kill them?
You are defending a guy who cut a cat in half
Yeah as a parent it... she had it coming. She locked up and totrured a kid. And sexually assaulted him by kicking his nuts. Good riddence
As a mother of a son hearing the way that the mother responded to her son pleading to her that he needed her while he was going through a mental health crisis is disgusting I feel so bad for that young man
Yeah it's a tragedy, In one way or another everyone of these people are victims. Denise was obviously a troubled lady that was more than likely abused as a child. It seems that she wanted to try and be the person to give these kids a chance at a good life. I truly believe her intentions were wholly good to begin with but if she never dealt with her own abuse as a child or sought out help to get closure or confront these powerful emotions, feelings, memories and fears... She ended up repeating the behaviour. Sustaining the abuse and passing on to her boys now.
Please reach out for help if you are a victim or were at another time, if you are aware of abuse or have suspicion. End the cycle.
Same:/ as a mother and also as a woman who had the same treatment growing up. I’ve always wanted my own family to do better and show them all the love, words of affirmation, guidance, anything they need since I wasn’t given it. I now have a beautiful 9 month old baby boy and I’ve never loved anybody/anything SO MUCH! I can’t understand why my family was how they are. It just doesn’t seem possible to do that to a child in my view. But I guess we’re all different :c
My mother treated me the same way . guess whos still alive.. And strong. Lol this isnt abuse.. The kid needed discipline more than she could give.
Hes a monster who should have been deported long ago.
@@alishaseverance7075 I don't think it's discipline he needed. My mother was abused. It outed itself through control freak behaviour, irrational ranting, ultimately a burnout and a hell of a situation at home. Sometimes kids just need / want a normal and balanced life, not freaky rants every day or, as a growing up teen, being belittled as a young man for all of your "mistakes" (sarc). I've also been adopted.
This is a story of an abuse victim pushed and pushed and pushed to their breaking point. Lashing out and committing a horrific act. He’s not justified in murdering her but she was an abuser and he was a victim his whole life.
honestly, abusers who get killed by their victims deserve it 100%. Especially when the victim is an innocent child.
This is also yet another case of the foster care system failing two more children
@@Panda-cute so if a man is yelled at and called names daily by his wife, for years, she deserves and axe to the head? just trying to get this straight
@@flipnap2112 this was a child with no way out not a grown ass man 🤦♀️ and if it’s verbal not physical then no. She physically abused this boy. Don’t try to make it a black and white issue, it’s not that cut and dry
@@Panda-cute I was a child and underwent abuse much worse than this. I didnt drive an axe into someone head.
Every other coverage of this case doesn’t mention the abuse. Really makes you see things from another point of view. Thank you for sharing. Also people need to stop judging people on how they grieve. Everyone grieves differently
It's surprising he has no emotional reaction to his *abusive* mother's death?
*weird*
Makes me sad for the guy. As someone who was raised by an abusive father I can horrifyingly say, the reason you don't leave is because you assume they are doing the best they can and you convince yourself " this is what all parents do "
Why adopt a child if you're going to abuse them? 😢 Her plan, ultimately, may not have been to abuse those boys but knowing your adopted child's past and using it against them is heartbreaking and detrimental.. I don't agree with his actions but I can only imagine his pain.
Oh when you're being adopted you get to hear it quite a lot when you're young. "You wouldn't have had a life over there". You should be grateful type of expressions right. it's the classic cliché that people will say, and yes, that was annoying AF.
It’s so common. Abuse of adopted children is very rampant.
That’s why many adopt kids… to abuse them. Not all but many.
Yeah nah I reckon she planned to abuse them.
Crazy short haired virtue signalling white women, they hate men, they’re full of anger, no man wants to be with them and being weak, they target children.
I agree , she was gaslighting those poor boys it’s a tragedy all round , my heart goes out to Carlos and Angel
I HATE how when someone doesn't grieve exactly how one is expected, they're a monster
..he killed someone..that is pretty monstrous.
You do grieve as expected when the person who is gone was loved by you.
Guess you're a cow and not human? Some traits are basic human traits and did you watch the conclusion of the video lol...
the fact that all of denise's charges were dropped in the beginning as well blows my mind.
yeah. my thoughts exactly. this appears to be a situation where denise was abusive and showed extreme favoritism. of course angel started acting out! preteens don’t have the emotional capacity to properly process complex emotions.
correct
@WizrdsBlaze2 It's not that she's white. It's because she's female. Women get special treatment in court.
Complexion for the protection
Free the holmie carlos he ain't do nun wrong
„that's what abuse does to you" i can not agree more. my mother is very much like denise, i had to cut all ties recently because i felt myself getting angrier and angrier and losing myself more and more. i'm sorry for all of us that had to go through an abusive childhood, never forget who you are. you are your own person, you are not defined by being someone's child, you owe them nothing.
100 💯
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@@mrjon75 stay strong
Yes. Can you imagine already feeling abandoned by your biological parents, and being adopted - and disappointed again, making you feel worse than before that nobody wants you. Racist remarks on top of it. So personal identity, race, everything. To him, if’s almost as if Knowing that his “kind” would suffer without white people like her to adopt him. I was raised by a psychopathic narcissist dad, and many times I contemplated going to bed with a knife. So yes, it’s something that really messes anyone up.
Three years removed from my family, and while its not instant i feel better.
I didn't cry at my mums funeral when I was 12 because I didn't want to be a spectacle for people to stare at. One old lady asked me why I'm not crying and didn't I love my mother. It was so hurtful because people didn't understand I just wanted privacy. I was a very shy kid. I did end up with defiance disorder, but mainly because I learned how evil adults are when you're a kid with an inheritance
So sorry for what people have done to you. Thank you for sharing.❤
I didn't go to my father's funeral because I knew people would treat me like this as he was like the patriarch of the family. The biggest brother that would have their son in shame for not crying.
You went to your mother's funeral? I ghosted mine.
Boo Hoo 😢... Noone actually cared THEN and noone "cares" NOW!
Tbh, I don't feel sorry for Denise.
Probably one of the first times I have no empathy towards the “victim” and have empathy towards the person that committed the crime… I hope Carlos and Angel. An find peace.
@Bryan and Bryan needs to grow up. Are you sad that we sane people all hate child abusers?
@MeunaH [ Mshevic ] 🤷🏻♀️ I kinda feel the abuse was punishment enough but to each their own
Yeah, I'm trying to feel sorry for Denise - and obviously abuse in and of itself doesn't justify being killed - but I just can't seem to get there. She was a horrible mother who tormented her sons, who adopted them for selfish reasons, who sought out children from a particular culture then turned around and threw their culture in their faces with racist remarks, she locked her one son into his room with a bucket for a toilet, she completely disowned him when he acted out because of her abuse, she was callous and blamed her other son for his mental health issues and even his suicide attempt was boiled down to "he wrecked the truck".
I really cannot muster an ounch of sympathy for this woman. It's similar to the Gypsy Rose Blanchard case. I have zero sympathy for Dee Dee, she was a disgusting human being who tortured her daughter for her own selfish needs. Her own family hated her so much that they flushed her ashes down the toilet, and I can't help but feel a little happy about that.
@@ndawn90 yeah honestly f em, they got what they deserved. You don’t abuse kids
@@Panda-cute freed? Self defense is if she was abusing him in the moment , he did it when she was unaware of the situation…that’s cold and people like that don’t deserve to be freed. Many people go through abuse but don’t lash out like that. He knew what he did and never broke character when she died until he couldn’t keep it up. So nah..he’s guilty and deserves it. Could of just ran away like his step bro instead he stayed cause he wanted “freedom” , selfish all the way till he committed murder and not in self defense which is damn clear
I babysitted an adopted child for 8 years. His mother had several mental issues. For his first 3 years of life she stayed in bed the whole day every single day... To the point of trying to kill herself. She stayed in hospital for 10 days and came back home using a 'new drug' that could stabilised her brain somehow. I was very sorry for everybody in the house, mainly for Noah, the adopted boy. I've always wondered how an adoption agency could allow prospective parents to take a child home without requiring a psychiatric evaluation on both.
Money and lack of regulatory standards in Guatemala and Honduras in this case
well it’s called having mental illnesses and then finally
getting help lol
It might also be beneficial to conduct extensive background checks to determine if the child's environment affected his or her mental state and if they would be able to adapt to an adopted parent's home.
It's heartbreaking when people get abused to the point of developing personality disorders and then snapping and committing violent acts, only to just be sent off to prison. I'm not condoning what Carlos did, but he never asked for this life. He never asked to be adopted by an abusive, racist, selfish woman. His life was so bad that he tried to commit suicide. And now here he is, having to spend life in prison because he killed his ABUSER. He says that he doesn't wish for a lesser sentence, but I assure you that plenty other people who were in the exact same situation feel differently. It's just tragic. He was just a kid.
Unfortunately mental health intervention is not taken very seriously. Personality disorders don't make it so you can't understand right from wrong tho, he still understood it was wrong to kill but he didn't see any other way out
I totally agree with you
@@charliedyer4647 it’s wrong legally to kill your lifelong abuser, but a gray area morally
He was a bad kid, skipping school, doing drugs, partying when supposed to be studying. She was trying to deal with a bad kid and sometimes you just can't so she kicked him out and then he came back into the house and the trouble mounted.
@@brandon.export879 him killing his mother to save the lives of two people is a morally gray decision. deciding between removing your toxic mom from your life or murdering her to remove her from your life are not gray situations.
I’m sorry. Carlos doesn’t deserve life in prison. He was abused by someone who wanted to collect trinkets rather than be a parent.. there’s evidence of this. Meanwhile there are grown folk getting out after 20 years. Make it make sense.
People always talk about how adopted children are "damaged" and to look for the red flags in their behavior, yet rarely if ever thoroughly screen or analyse the adopter. As an adoptee, I've experienced being promised the world only to realize the only thing that changed was going from one toxic environment to another. Many adopters - particularly white, religious adopters - aren't seeking a child, they're seeking the experience of being a parent. There's a difference, and the thin line between the two is vanity. Adopting a child is no more life-changing than adopting a dog to them. They have no shame or remorse for any of the abuse they subject these children to, because they aren't children to them. They're props.
That and the financial "upgrade"
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This!!!!
Absolutely right, especially about the religious adopters. So many crime stories and severe chikd abuse cases come from ultra religious families. Those poor poor kids.
This!!!!
Absolutely right, especially about the religious adopters. So many crime stories and severe chikd abuse cases come from ultra religious families. Those poor poor kids.
A really toxic family situation. I believe she abused the other child. It was a very very sad sequence of events
one of my parents has APD. So much of this was so familiar. The financial abuse, the verbal abuse, other adults secretly recording to catch their awful behavior, being made the scapegoat, the gas lighting, the constant list of misplaced responsibilities, the pros and cons list of living with that parent, etc.
I'm thankful I had resources that Carlos obviously did not have. this one hit me hard.
Same. Right down to needing a notarized agreement in order to live at home. Whew this case was so triggering. I've been no contact with my mother for over 4 years and am still healing.
APD is the embodiment of evil
my dad was like that, so glad mom divorced him some years ago
it hurts, and is triggering, but I'm glad we're safe now
(he still contacts me and wishes to meet, but nah, I'm not that stupid tbh)
@@midoriinchan2520 Good. To this day mother still tries to contact me, too. Just another manipulation tactic. Keep your head up.
@Moth Box, same for me to all the things you described, except my parent has Borderline Personality Disorder. The only way for me to live a life with freedom, stability and freedom from abuse was for me to leave with police assistance - and eventually go no-contact. My parent lacks self-awareness and insight into their own behaviour.
Carlos' Pros & Cons list could have been written by me and been accurate. I also had an estranged older sibling that was viewed as having been "bad' and 'disloyal' to my parent.
Growing up I felt that I could not tell others what was going on, or ask for help, as I felt it would be a betrayal. Also, having seen my sibling punished for telling about what went on at home, I was fearful of the consequences from my parent. I was afraid of them and their aggression.
I wonder if Carlos feels more free in prison, than living with Denise?
I believe that Angel's words about what the family did to him was true and after Angel ran away for good she turned her aggression toward Carlos whom was no longer a golden child in her eyes. She was a vile women and needed someone to take her anger and racism out on..
The room was enough evidence he didn’t even have to talk. This is sick
Well said!
So a horrible woman "bought" two little boys so she could have someone to take her horrible attitude out on ! Got it ! Sad. 🙄
She got what she deserved. Should have been worse actually.
If you think about it. Death can literally come in so many ways, i really used to think that i have many years to live. Seriously it's not confirmed that we would die at 80 something.
Thats why you live the life you have. Accept everything with a smile. Even death is beautiful when you completely accept yourself. Just do you until you aren't there to do you anymore.
And the years go by fast if you're lucky enough to have them.
@@thenuttednutter2669 we’ll said!!! Amen 🙏🏼 to that!
@@tabularasa7775 when you say, "they don't. We just waste so many of them" you are projecting. Learn that not everyone is the same as you.
@@RepentfollowJesus lmao. You need to make sure your fake god is on your side? so sad that grown ups believe in the tooth fairy still.
Y’all love to diagnosis everyone in every video with APD. You literally listed typically behaviors of a teenager and said “he must be antisocial.” He was an abused child who has a history of depression. Not everyone fits into the APD box you try to force them in.
Agreed!
I was thinking the exact same thing. EVERY video this channel diagnosis’s every murderer with APD. 🙄
Yuuuup
This is an abused traumatized kid. His first course of action was to try to off himself and when that didn’t work he snapped. I’m sad for him.
Denise sounds a lot like my mother. I don't see my mother anymore. I won't be sad when she's dead. I certainly won't cry over her. We need to stop judging people over how they mourn based on societal expectations
The only way to be okay and move on from your situation. Is to forgive
@@krotchlickmeugh627 That's bs though...
@@twanvanderdonk2504 how? You cant just make a claim like that and not explain how you came to that conclusion.
Its a fact of psychology that acceptance and forgiveness is the best way to move on. Without a grudge and without dwelling on the past or continuing to be a victim
@@krotchlickmeugh627 Because it's such a cheap and easy answer to give to someone who shares something that hurts them. "Just forgive," it's not different from "just try not to be sad" or "just don't be poor." Yeah, great in psychology, when you're actually in therapy and discussing how to forgive and how to get over things with a therapist. It's dogshit when someone just propagates it online. It's a difficult process, mate. It shouldn't just be thrown around lightly.
@@twanvanderdonk2504 not the same at all mate. I never said it was easy. I said its the only way. It takes a ling time to forgive.
I totally blame the mother. She didn't deserve to die, but, she definitely created the situation. Carlos could have been a better person with a different parent. Most kids act out due to turmoil in the home. That kid didn't have a chance with a mother like her.
Cuz she yelled at him for crashing her truck? Gtfoh
@@R3LAPZE i dont think you watched this video properly at all. He crashed the car to khs and she didnt care. she showed him no affection and tret him badly. childrens brains develop differently when they are not shown affection and are neglected you should rewatc the entire video duck
@@R3LAPZE There was far more that she did and said to him than getting mad about the truck
@@R3LAPZE We're you awake during this video 😴🥱
What is wrong with you people!? Carlos MURDERED his adoptive mother WITH AN AXE. It does not matter if she yelled at him for being promiscuous, buying drugs, causing $15,000 worth of damge). YOU DON'T GET TO F**KING KILL PEOPLE WITH AN AXE!
This person is so stupid that he asked about having LITERAL MURDER expunged from his record and then going to college. He is not stupid. He is an absolute fucking moron. Carlos thought COLD-BLOODED, GRUESOME MURDER is some kind go to jail for a few days kind of crime. He, OBVIOUSLY, does not value people's lives and he is a danger to society.
Yet, here you all are talking about "racism", which has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS MURDER INVESTIGATION. Do you also, talk like this when teenagers commit mass murder in schools too?
You people are some of the most ridiculous, outrageous, ignorant people I have ever seen!
So she mistreated the son who probably wouldn't have killed her, but the "good" son did kill her.....the irony! And she shouldn't have had ANY kids in her care!
That poor cat RIP.
the only inocent person in this whole crime
Huh fwolf lol
@Censorship Sucks I've got 2 cat's and I they are my life.
@@journeybymoonlight3216 huh
I'm confused. Who killed the cat?
She knew the damage she was doing when she said those horrible things to him. It's bad when you hear a 8th grade drop out tell a kid they're not wanted. When someone with a PhD in child development says it, it shows she's a disgusting person. I don't think she adopted those boys because she had so much love to give. I think she wanted them to worship, fear and obey her.
Your opinion is disgusting
Money that’s the only other reason I could think of
@@alexandriaberry6270 maybe for a slightly more rational mind... money is a strong motivator 4 many things, but in this case I feel the circumstances r far more psychological than anything 4 all parties involved
@@Wrdz288she wanted slaves, she knows adopting out of the country that the American system would help her...she may have everything down on paper that's ticks all the boxes unless U live in a house with her that's another story. Jus my opinion
She tried to enslave him. It doesn't matter how rich or how old you are, having a loving and supportive family makes life easier to cope with
I’m not qualified in any way but from what I heard in this video, it doesn’t sound like premeditated murder. Obviously this 30 minute video doesn’t show the whole picture though. Thanks for the great video EWU crew!
Well let’s all be grateful you’re not a part of the criminal justice system. Everything about this screams premeditation.
this case is in a grey area. He only thought about killing her after grabbing the axe to chop wood and having a heated argument. It could be argued that between the moment he grabbed the axe to chop wood and the moment he killed her was not long enough to be construed as premeditation. But the murder didn’t happen in the ‘heat of the moment’ because she had been asleep for a while when he struck her.
@@Richibull17 sharpening an axe before using it to split someone’s head open isn’t “spur of the moment”. It’s premeditation.
@@RillaGorilla420 who uses a blunt axe to chop wood?
@@elizabethb1096 yea thats probably very true
I didn't here him being rude, i heard a kid being interrogated by police and being upset that they are accusing him. Every one reacts to death differently. When my dad passed i was numb for a month. I didn't cry at all until a month after the funeral I felt like i had to be strong for my little brother
You heard 20 seconds.
Yeah, that drove me nuts. Too often, people point at suspects NOT being angry at the police and call that evidence of guilt. So, which is it? What's the "right" reaction?
Exactly, he wasn't rude! He advocated for himself when he was being accused.
Same! He didn't seem guilty in that clip to me
Bro, being upset that the cops are trying to pin it on you doesn’t mean your a sociopath. People or color don’t trust police. That assumption was so uncalled for
Most innocent people react with anger when they've been accused. I don't know where you got that as a symptom of APD.
I didn’t realize that this was posted 6 minutes ago. never been this early. great vid
It feels good to catch a vid early oppose to catching it posted 3 days ago....lol
Vary like extremely
Denise was actually an instructor of mine!! I have family and friends who knew Carlos while in school at the time of all of this! This case is truly insane! And heartbreaking!
That's why I always say, it doesn't matter who you marry, adopt,or give birth to or befriend. You can still have racist thoughts and ignorance. She raised him and still said that hateful thing to him. SMH
Racist, where. She was an nit mother for lots of reasons.
Part of me feels bad for Carlos. And it’s mostly in a “he never stood a chance” kind of way. Everything with his biological parents and then the abuse… it was just a perfect recipe for disaster.
" I don't need no man " ....
I just adopt one 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you so much, EWU, for putting red flags at the end of your videos. I was the victim of a malignant narcissist for two years and just recently got out. I'm starting to realize how much danger I was in, and having validation and reminders (especially because victims struggle with self doubt because of low self esteem and gaslighting) like the ones at the end of your videos could potentially save a life. Keep up the good work.
I feel you. My mother-in-law is a malignant narcissist, with her aggression directed at me, for 17 yrs!!
All that time, I didn't understand what her problem was. It wasn't until we went no contact, and moved far away last year, that I did some research, and found out about this bizarre personality disorder.
I'm so glad we were able to get away.
She did everything is her power to wreck our marriage, and when that didn't work, she tried to financially ruin us. Her own family!! Her own grandkids!!
It's disgusting behavior, and I'm really sorry you had to experience this as well.
Good riddance!!!
NO CONTACT!!! 🌷🙏🌷
You're probably the toxic one lol
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 thank u 4 recognizing the narcissism n pointing it out... I only learned about that in recent yrs, n now I find it very troubling that our entire nation rioted ovr BLM but I believe APDs will be the true reason 4 our downfall as a species (nothing against BLM, btw)
I feel like it’s odd that they said that him being defensive was a trait of mental illness because usually when they don’t defend themselves when the interrogators hint that they think that they are a suspect they always say that they didn’t defend themselves because they could be the suspect it’s just funny how finally somebody was defensive and now they take it as a mental illness trait
Right! Wtf
Agree
It's sad Carlos never got the help he needed.
Carlos was the real victim here. Least we’re down one less malignant narcissist in the world, rest in hell Denise.
Period but don’t forget about angel
Boarded up windows and a bucket tells me all I need to know. Angel tried to tell everyone. Carlos does not deserve life. Denise may not have deserved death but to keep abusing and traumatizing a child for years. And ppl act confused when they snap. They’re human too.
The system failed him by placing him with her. They were both troubled and she couldn't be bothered. There's no justification for what he did and unfortunately she paid the price for the neglect he faced. And now he'll face the price for his actions.
So many people failed Angel. Not just Denise, but the Judges and police who let Denise abuse him.
@EWU Thank you for explaining the real situation concerning Denise and Carlos' relationship. I too was under the impression that Denise did everything to be a loving mother figure in Carlos' life and she was rewarded by him implanting an axe in her skull so he could inherit all she owned for himself. I was also under the impression that Angel just didn't fit in there, mainly because Carlos was jealous. After seeing this it's obvious that Denise was not a suitable candidate for being an adoptive parent. Angel being imprisoned like he was is just awful, you've gotta accept that adoption is never smooth sailing, there's gonna be a lot of stormy waters to overcome and a lot of those issues are down to mistrust on the adoptees side. Denise should've been prepared for that. Boarding up windows, mattresses on the floor, buckets for human waste and a mother turned jailer is hardly gonna settle any adoptive child, or teach them that's what they get for running away! Those boys should've both been removed for good from Denise as soon as she was arrested for child abuse. The environment she provided was toxic. Love was switched to threats and any kind of self worth the boys had left was jeered at alongside racial slurs. Nobody deserves to be murdered, but Denise provided enough of the ingredients in this toxic stew, it was Carlos that brought it to the boil, then served it.
All other channels that covered "The Apple Pie Murder" leave out anything that may be seen as negative about Denise. The recordings with Carlos, Denise and the neighbour are really disturbing when Denise screams "SHUT UP. SHUT UP". She sounds unhinged, acting like that, out of control in someone else's house!! It wouldn't surprise me if she was responsible for disecting the neighbours cat and chicken so they'd be suspicious of Carlos and not side with him when he and Denise fell out. Just a thought! 🤷♀️😉
I agree with you.
I just watched a video on "that chapter" about this case and the abuse allegations were brought up but then dismissed. Glad I found this video to tell the rest of the story
Agreed, She should never had adopted a child. She should have stuck to having pets, not had a child.
@@robw2486 from what Carlos described the dogs were constantly locked in, hence them running off once the gate was opened.
Well, as for the cat, maybe. But then again I see this woman as the typical abuser that pushes children to grow up to be killers. There's a lot of similarities here with childhood stories we've heard from convicted serial killers. So, while killing animals is obviously horrific, in a way it does seem like a logical outlet for a child that has no control and power in their life. He takes dominance over the animal and does to it what he can't do to the mom. I think anyone pushed to extremes will act out in ways that they can't even explain to themselves, especially true of children.
That recording at 8:47 pissed me off. She was horrible. Who makes a child pay for so much stuff that he owes $600 and this is just what we heard...I can only imagine what was said that wasn't heard
Carlos MURDERED his adoptive mother WITH AN AXE. It does not matter if she yelled at him for being promiscuous, buying drugs, cutting cats in half, and causing $15,000 worth of damge. YOU DON'T GET TO KILL PEOPLE WITH AN AXE!
This person is so stupid that he asked about having LITERAL MURDER expunged from his record and then going to college. Carlos ACTUALLY thought that COLD-BLOODED, GRUESOME MURDER is some kind of "no big deal", go to jail for a few days crime.
Do you, like him, not understand the seriousness of the crime? Did you completely miss all of this information?
It's really a recipe for disaster when adults burden children with Adult problems. Those two boys didn't deserve any of her treatment in that respect.
My grandmother sent my mom away when things got "hectic" as my own mother did to us.
This isn't what you do with your children when things get "hectic" imo. Luckily, my own children, even going through their teenage "phases" were able to work things out between us. Sending your "problem" away doesn't fix anything. The problems still remain when they return. It's learning how to work with those problems and show support and love. A child should never feel unwanted.
I'm no "perfect parent" (if there even is such a thing) and definitely made many mistakes. There is no loss of love between my children or even my mother. (I come from a "shaming and blaming" manipulative family, unfortunately, learned behavior passes down from generation to generation. However, it doesn't have to remain that way. Have accountability and own up to your mistakes. Many things are forgivable, in fact, most mistakes are...(don't know if I could forgive a child sex predator, other than doing such act in order to go on with my life..I guess it depends on the situation)....
‘Perfect parents’ don’t have any children, facts!
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Also was "sent away" as a kid several times and still deal with abandonment issues fifteen years later. I don't have kids of my own, but if I ever do, I know I would never make them feel unloved and unwanted or beyond redemption in any way.
The worst part about cases like these is that the people get punished, but the people who cause them to become fucked up in the first place don't get held responsible at all. Maybe if we started holding parents responsible for fucking up their children there would be less bad parents.
denise saying carlos owe her 15k for a car, when he's trying to harm himself, and then saying to the neighbor that carlos owe her his phone bills when she's the one who make decisions to 'take care' of him, is such a big red flag...
it seems like, in this toxic "mother-son" relationship, there will only one survivor...
i will not be surprised if there's a life insurance taken on behalf of carlos by denise... i mean the way she is described by the neighbor give me impression that denise adopting a child as an investment not out of love... 😢😢
This is literally the one and only best coverage on this situation on TH-cam! Other channels have covered it and painted a pictures of Denise being a good mom and did what she could do give her kids a better life
They do not portray Denise as a good mom. They just talk about how much of a ridiculous, ignorant, gruesome murderer Carlos is, without even realizing it. Big difference.
Denise, was just a strict parent. Carlos was an entitled adopted silly human and i think that Stephanie must have had something against Denise or whatever they didn't sit together for. The real meaning of 'Abuse' is not recorded anywhere in this. It was right, according to me, for Denise to feel discouraged by Carlos' bad behavior, which actually happens among parents, they just don't say. I don't know whether Stephanie was a parent but she has no knowledge and understanding of the smallest societal roles and manners. If you think i am wrong, how would you feel adopting a child and staying to realize that he is not even appreciating having a mother. Angel was just for the streets as far as my understanding is. TRUST ME, ADOPTION IS AT TIMES THE START OF THE REALIZATION OF WHY YOU'D NEVER HAD A CHILD.
I know people with parents like Denise, and I can say I have seen the same anger and emotional detachment from them as I do from Carlos. Denise shouldn't have died, but this was a situation of her own creation. I hope Carlos gets a second chance at life when his case is reviewed if he is found to be eligible.
Never do violent things when you are upset, that includes hitting a punching bag, shooting guns...and ya stuff like using an axe 🪓 .
If you are upset, go for a jog, lift some weights. When you channel your anger into violence, you WILL eventually take it out on someone.
Great advice, thank you
Wow, that is a great perspective! Thank you 😊
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I can't believe CYS actually asked his girlfriends parents if he could stay with them. What the hell!!??
This is one of those cases where my sympathy is with the perpetrator. I don't believe he has APD, he is clearly capable of maintaining functional relationships (the neighbour who took him in) and has empathy. He even accepted his sentence because he acknowledges his wrongdoing. A psychopath would never do that. The mother on the other hand is a textbook case. This is one of those cases where I think the American justice system is broken. He should not spend the rest of his life in jail. This was not premeditated murder but a classic case of an abused person lashing out at their abuser. He needed better lawyers. He should be out in ten years after some extensive counselling.
Listening to the video he sound like he can also have BPD/bipolar disorder (which can also manifest in all of symptoms that he said), which was exactly what he was diagnosed with. It's possible to have other disorders to come out from abuse sigh.
I agree with OP. Tbh i'm a new listener to this channel, but to whoever runs this, not every killer has APD.
@@grimlesbians @homekeys i remember this study where a doc is studing people with sociopathy, mapped out his brain, found out that he WAS one, but he had a healthy relationship with his family.
I would keep listening to this channel but all the generalising is just... Why
@@grimlesbians A person with psychopathy would never feel "bad" for what they did. They are incapable of that. Instead they would continue to manipulate until the very end. Sociopathy is trickier, some empathy is definitely possible with that disorder. This is not about trying to stigmatise mental disorders, I myself have been diagnosed with BPD. I definitely believe he could have a personality disorder, it just isn't an antisocial one.
He was an abused child who dealt with constant abuse and insults concerning his race. I feel sorry for him and i truly believe he is a victim and was pushed to his breaking point, free carlos
Sounds like he abused her doesn't it? Broke her arm right
So do i
Laughable. That beast was messed up in the head. Its wild how u morons always try to make excuses and justifications for these monsters. So many people have been verbally, mentally or s*xully abused and they dont murder people. Stop justifying murder. If you ask any teen they're gonna say their parents are the worst. Well most. He sounds like a selfish brat who wanted to do what HE wanted to do. Pidd. Gross.
I'm obsessed with this channel, and the Narrator is absolutely AMAZING
How is partying a sign of anti-social behavior?
As a fan of true crime and a fan of your channel, it's such an odd feeling seeing content about things that happened in your own town. My younger sister graduated with Carlos and he worked at the same grocery store I worked at for my first job. This case was polarizing in our town.
Great work as always.
agreed, there is an episode by EXPLORE WITH US on Shawn Grate, a serial killer in my hometown. Very eerie to hear all of the details of something so awful, so close to home.
I love Inverness...i camp there often. I Csnt believe this!!!! Did you guys work at the grocery store next to Pizza Hut? If soooo... that's where I get my fire wood. So so so sad.
what were your observations of him? i'm sure a lot of us would like to know what u and your sister thought of him 🤔
Same, Carlos went to my church and dated my sister and her best friend lol
I didn’t even know of the existence of Angel. He really got away from both Denise and Carlos. Good for him.
All those “symptoms” of APD sound like every teenager… Especially those struggling with their home life…I know people with APD who checked none of those boxes as teenagers or now… There’s definitely something up with that lady. The fact that she didn’t want another son, but a “companion” for her current one is a huge red flag to me. & I’m sorry but locking any child in a room is NEGLECT & a fire hazard. I can’t believe they allowed her out let alone dropped the charges!! How many true crime stories have come out involving children being confined in a locked space?! Also, Usually, if kids are running away, there’s something wrong. Especially, if it’s that frequently.
Yeah, the leap to APD diagnosis seems so bizarre to me. All the symptoms listed are also present in abuse victims, teenagers, and those with Bipolar Disorder (which he was actually diagnosed with). Why does the video leap to the 4th possible conclusion, especially when Carlos was literally diagnosed with something else?
Denise is the reason why I'm uneasy with international adoptions. My heart breaks for these 2 young men!💔
Carlos is why I'm uneasy with adopting children who are complete sociopaths, just waiting for an excuse to commit murder.
Carlos thought COLD-BLOODED, GRUESOME MURDER is some kind of meager, go to jail for a few days, kind of crime.
Wow, I’ve watched vids on this case and never knew of the moms abuse. It’s so crazy how so many vids can leave out so much context. I never even knew he had a brother. Thanks for making this video and putting the in the time to get the whole story out. The additional context makes the story sadder, but at least you told it fairly.
It's intentional. They're all leaving out the TRUTH for their own agenda. Truth is out now, thanks to these recordings!
I was think g the same thing. The other video I saw make it seem like Carlos was a monster and killed his innocent adoptive mother
The money thing sounds exactly like my mother. I moved out nearly 20 years ago for that exact reason, and to this day she still says I owe her money for this or that. And the sad thing is, I have loaned her a lot of money through the years based on her promises to pay it back. Then when I ask for it, she says she doesn't owe me anything because of XYZ from decades ago - something she paid for when I was a child or whatever.
The victimhood was so strong he tried end his self before doing it to her. Like everyone says doesn’t justify the actions but her son was in her face crying for help, he needed her and if she had helped him maybe they would’ve made out together 🤦🏽♀️
It’s probably a good thing my sister took my threats seriously. I appreciate the red flags in your video. I was once out of control and dangerously antisocial. I went through a lot of counseling and therapy and gave up drugs and alcohol and am no longer in that state of mind and body so he’s right to take those things seriously. I had all kinds of weapons strewn about and was very much so at the tipping point.
Denise should've been In jail from the start! All of this could of been avoided.
She acted like she was getting a puppy for her "son" to play with. My uncle, rest is peace, would always say "You die the life you live" 🤷🏾♀️
Also, not a chance in hell you'd barge into my house and start telling me to shut up. Not a chance...🙄
The detectives wasn't being all that nice in the beginning, and him saying "I don't know you guys are detectives, aren't you supposed to figure it out" wasnt condescending, just matching their energy
The comment she said about him, "being another idiot at the border." Wow who says that to a kid? I feel as if she adopted these poor kids but had racist feelings toward them and made sure they knew she didn't actually care for them. Not saying she deserved murder but I don't feel much sympathy for her. I feel bad for the two boys.
What happened to Angel? I hope he found a loving family. Poor kid.
Never heard this version before. I always thought he was just an ungrateful son who didn’t get what he wanted and killed because of it. She literally made him into that monster. Wow.
I stayed with my abusive mother until my early 20s because the psychological abuse makes you stay!!!! You are trapped emotionally. She told me my whole life I was worthless and helpless and didnt know how to do anything. She failed to teach me basic life skills. Its all about control and she held on tight until my mid 20s when I finally broke free. Still to this day, in my 30s she pulls me back with phone calls or texts and I have to do my all to keep her in line, keep her at an arms length so that she doesnt take control again. Not saying he should get out scot free...but that type of abuse is all consuming and mind numbing. That could have been me. He needs help more than prision.
I've always questioned why people try to over analyze someone based solely on how they show their grieving, or on their lack of grieving. You'd hardly even need to have common sense to realize there are countless ways in which people express their grief, or lack of... Surely in some or probably even most cases there is someone who grieves in a way that seems fucking weird
Symptoms of APD include doing drugs, having sex, and skipping school. My god, my entire high-school class had APD.
The abuse from her sounds so much like my dad. I was never good enough. He told my mum she should of aborted me. I was hit just for looking at him the wrong way. Being so unwanted at 15 I wrote a letter. I never gave it to my dad but I kept it next to my bed. When I was 19 he found it (yes he would snoop around my room) In that letter I told him exactly what I thought of him. It was a relief to know that he finally knew how much I hated him. Still now I think about it. And my childhood. He was cruel. Mum would make excuses for him. Yet they would row about me too. I left home a few months later. Never used to go back and see him. Now I'm 48 and have terminal cancer he wants to be a doting dad. It seems like it's me who is being punished for all he did to me 🥺
@Censorship Sucks how is that weird?
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@Censorship Sucks Not to talk about this specifically because i dont know and neither do you, but some people are like that. Also when unprovoked.
Man, this hit me pretty deep. I grew very similarly. I’m just now starting to get the help I need at age 24. My sister has autoimmune diseases and a lot of doctors have linked long term health issues with high levels of cortisol from constant fear and anxiety as a child unfortunately. I hope you’ve been able to find as much peace as possible. ❤️
@Censorship Sucks they never said that..?? When you live with someone on the APD spectrum you never know how they’ll react or what will trigger them and when. Like this video mentioned as well, these adults do not know how to regulate their emotions and can act very impulsively. For example, I would be minding my own business doing things I normally would as a kid, but that day my dad may be particularly stressed from work/finances (circa 2003 recession) and something would flip internally & he would snap & take it out on my sister and I.
@Censorship Sucks oh shut up, a child can never do anything bad enough to warrant abuse. I bet you smack kids around too huh?
Are we going to talk about how that teenage girl decided, unprompted, to do a sting. And pulled it off successfully? That’s crazy. Good for you Ms. Encyclopedia Brown.
Makes perfect sense when neighbors were finding cats cut in half probably with the ax😭😤
Growing up, my childhood was so much like his. My mom was a toxic person, at 6 thru 15 1/2 i was being molested by her husband (number 3 out of 5 known about), she literally told my older sister how sorry she was and how bad she felt, then she looked at me and in an accusingly voice said (i will never forget) what's wrong with you? You want all my husbands'
Um wow, my dad was hubby number 2 and she snagged me from him for a child support check that never showed. This mad her anger towards me even worse. At 16 i was kicked out and that was the start of her coming home drunk, kicking me out after battering me mentally and shaming me in front of my brother and sister. There was so much more worse she did but that's a bit.
I'm 53 years old now, a grandmother and yes she is still alive and no i do not communicate with her. Ever.
My childhood took me years to over come, only after meeting my father at age 49, did my soul begin to rest. Knowing he wanted me and tried, but as evil as she was/is he had no chance.
I hope whomever is young and going thru shit, it can get better, there is always someone good willing to help. Even a stranger can become your best friend.
Don't seek a deadly revenge, even in your mind. Seek revenge by letting go of the toxic, asking for help if needed, and being happy....that's the best revenge ever. Peace and be safe
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Wise words
Did she ever confessed why she treated you like this? What was her reason?
I’m so sorry. You are amazing xxx
She was adopted too, she had the spirit of rejection which manifests demons in someone’s life . She took out her anger of being adopted onto another adopted child . The seed of evil has been planted . When you have a bad tree it will grow bad fruit . Periodt. Everything has a cause and effect unfortunately people don’t think about it until it bites them back .
My real mother was r*ped and my adoptive mother was constantly verbally and emotionally abusive to me. You bet I've had plenty of demons. Thank God I never chose to have kids.
In the world where even blood related parents get cancelled for saying "not allowed" it's no wonder adoptive parents are blamed.
In my country there's a girl who reported own parents for wanting her to get good grades. She attended one the best schools, cos her parents apparently pressured her. They demanded her to study first, and then do other things. She was attending piano classes and english courses as well. So she fed up and reported them. Well, juvenile system took her away, she was 13 or smth. And we don't have foster system, so now she stayed in orphanage. No good school, no piano or English lessons, nothing. I hope she's happy now.
ur so dumb
As somebody diagnosed with a personality disorder, you always always ALWAYS have the responsibility to work on your impulse control/self regulation/ect.
This! 🎯🎯🎯👏👏👏
I hate it when people are judged based on how they grieve. Losing his mom could have also made him angry making him upset with the cops for questioning him instead of looking for someone else. The audio is also out of context, maybe the officer was trying to rile him up?
There is plenty of other evidence but I find behavior towards officers and the public a terrible reason to say someone is guilty.
Why adopt children when you look down on them and think they owe you so much because you 'saved' them.
Regardless of the "he said, she said" & whichever person's aggressive behavior was deemed "worse" ... Denise was still the 'parent' in the relationship & was supposed to have been the mature adult in that dynamic. As such, I feel like she should have been held to a much higher standard. Wounds resulting from physical altercations heal without much effort but recovering from deep, emotional & psychological damage inflicted over the course of many years requires a substantial amount of time & dedication. I'm in no way excusing Carlos' behavior but I do feel that his family dynamic & his tumultuous relationship with his mother should have been considered as mitigating factors in his sentencing. Denise absolutely did not deserve what happened to her but I strongly feel that a greater level of responsibility for Carlos' anti-social personality development lies with her. He may be in prison for the remainder of his life but at least he's free of the psychological torment he endured throughout his childhood. Tragically sad situation all around.
she was an abuser, she 100% deserved it. some crimes deserve brutal punishment. Carlos should be free
@@Panda-cute carlos should not be free, even if he was an abuse victim, he still comitted *murder*. that being said, the abuse was a factor in his decision, a factor that should've been considered in his sentencing.
@@jimena.the.swiftie I disagree 🤷🏻♀️ murdering someone who physically and mentally abuses you to that point, a child, shouldn’t get jail.
Therapy and a record sure but nah poor guy didn’t earn jail
@@jimena.the.swiftie his anti social tendencies are a result of her abuse of a child and are therefore her fault sooo
@@Panda-cute i actually disagree, there are many grave abuse victims who don't murder their abusers, if someone is capable of killing another person they don't deserve to be "free", im not saying straight up jail, but they should at least be held in a mental health facility for enough years (until they're fit for society). that's why i said that the circumstances should be considered in a trial🤷♀️