Literally what I did at the last event I went to. I also made sure to take my hit in a nice shady spot against the treeline the GIs were hiding in at the expense of them shooting their rifles over my body. Still had a nice nap tho
i am a WW2 re-enactor. i am also a medic and i do say that some get "hit" like they really took one. i liked this video because i get this question from my family, and now i finally have an answer for them, thank you Mr. Wisdom.
@YourAverageAbrams see if there is a local re-enactment near you, they can usually be found at parades or just go to events. Sign up for one and start collecting a basic uniform, I'd recommend M43 stuff which is gonna cost some money but it's worth it. I got mines from at the front. Now I assume you want to be a riflemen, so gather stuff slowly, you'll also need a pistol belt, suspenders/belts, and a helmet of course. Ask your unit what patches you guys use and ask/buy one. Buy good shoes. I made the mistake of not buying them from a good source and they wore down in 3 months. So buy some from a source you could trust, don't forget to dub them. Have fun!
So basically it's the same rules that I used for "cops and robbers" as a kid. Of course you're always going to have that one kid that "dodges" or has a "bullet proof vest".
In American Civil War, depending on size we usually determine on our own whether or not we'll go down with a volley. Officers will let us know if we either need to start taking hits or if we should slow it up. We try to time big hits involving multiple guys to cannon shots when we can, too. With tacticals it can get a little more complicated. Usually something gets brokered ahead of time between officers in regards to how many men go down per volley, based on event size, and how long until they can return to their unit as reinforcements.
In my Civil War unit (when I was active) at one point the captain says "Larry, next time they shoot, you take a hit". A single soldier shoots at us and 2 guys wildly separated in the formation drop. After that we numbered the Larrys, so he would call out "Larry #3, take a hit on the next volley".
I even heard one reenactor say: Public re-enactments are for the purpose of the spectators. Add the oocassional screams of pain, when you're shot. Play wounded, but gauranteed to die. And for the truly morbid ones out there, if you find yourself dying close enough to the spectators, stutter, gurgle, and gag, for your mommy, or sweet heart back home, before going quiet.
Your last private Reenactment was an absolute banger, please upload more content like that! I liked that it really showed the depths of how close you were in battle with Germans during ww2 and shows what they had to live like
With modern technology, you could have a system for registering hits. You use a computer to calculate where a soldier's bullet would have impacted if they fired a live round and have a highly accurate local area tracking device on your person as well as sensors in key areas of your body to determine precise positioning of your body at that moment. The rest is relatively straightforward computer science and math. You don't even need to leverage AI to pull it off. You could even have several squibs on each soldier so if the system registers a hit, say, to the leg, a squib goes off on the leg. This would also enable a level of realism never before attained in reenactments because you would have the appearance of the real thing, from the spectator's perspective. Everything could be concealed. You don't have to use light. You can make an RF system. It is a bigger challenge than laser tag but one that can be solved in 2024 by a tech nerd or two. The difficult part would be the coding. There is no need to modify any guns or equipment because we have the technology to make cheap, small sensor devices of myriad types. You could find places on weapons to put them without modifying the weapon or, worst case scenario you have some small part you change out with the sensor in it but maintains the outward appearance. Such a system would also transform reenactments from pantomime to sport, which would really give the whole institution a shot in the arm (no pun intended). Currently, it is like watching a scene in a war movie, with worse special effects. Make it an actual sport where the winner isn't predetermined and it would go mainstream. You could still reenact specific battles to teach the history. This would be something in addition to that which would draw far bigger crowds. Make the event 30% living history lesson and 70% sport. Reenact part of a historical battle for your opener and then you have rounds of competition after.
As a 20 year American Civil War Reenactor, I appreciated the way you articulated why we don't use airsoft, paintball or lasers. Very well said sir. I have gotten that question many times but never answered as well as you did here.
As a long time Civil War reenactor I agree. However at large national events (Gettysburg for instance) before the battle, during inspection, an officer may slip a red or black cartridge into a cartridge box. If the soldier pulls a red cartridge he will fire his rifle, then take a wound. If a black cartridge, he will die.
I'm a Civil War reenactor. We only shoot powder charges in our cannons, muskets, and revolvers, but are rarely close enough that anyone could perceive being wounded/killed by a gunshot. More often, before the reenactment battle, our officers designate a certain number of specified soldiers to take "hits" at a specific point of the battle. We are trained to fall FORWARD because you don't know who/what is behind you, and not sideways because you are more likely to be a broader obstacle and more likely to get stepped on by advancing/retreating troops.
As someone who's going to try reenacting next year, your videos have helped me understand some of the nuances behind events, gear, etc. Keep up the great work!
I'll never forget the story I read where they were doing Napoleonic line battles. It was an honesty system where it was kinda up to the guys when they wanted to bite it. Apparently a line of like 10 dudes all decided to go gently into the night, and were all dropped by a single shot from a single musketman 😂
The tactical side is pretty similar to airsoft in certain situations. In many situations you know when you're hit, but in others you're not due to adrenaline or simply the BB losing velocity by the time it gets to you. "If in doubt, take the hit." Two huge drawbacks with WW2 airsoft is that the selection of weapons is extremely limited, and their effective range is also quite limited.
Even in airsoft it can be pretty ambiguous to know if you got hit. If you’re wearing a shirt, jacket, and plate carrier you really cannot feel an airsoft round hit you. You can only hear it, and it’s usually not loud enough in intense situations. If you’re running, people are yelling, and you’re in the zone it’s extremely easy to not notice if you get hit, so you have to rely on intuition. If someone is obviously spraying you down in the open but you don’t feel a hit you should just call it. The difference being that the airsoft guns are usually pretty quiet if they’re electric so you may not even hear them shooting at you.
Great video! I get asked this question waaayyy too many times now and frankly just can’t be bothered to answer properly any more. From now on I’ll just refer people to this video.
The wound cards sound pretty neat honestly, sounds great to add some uncertainty and like a little script for an opportunity to a little acting right there in the moment.
I was at a public event in Waxahachie, Texas a few years back. My unit charged an MG42 nest over a bridge. No one briefed us on taking hits, but I knew I was going to have to get hit as I was in front
I was in the army and faking battles is something we do all the time for training. The miles system you mentioned uses the crack of the blank to activate a laser, Each soldier where's a WW2 style chest rig with tiny little sensors. I will say with todays tech it could prob be made to be invisible and cheap at least for personal battles. More importantly for casualties What the army does if makes alot of casualties cards and hand them out. You don't look at them until you get hit. Then you open it and hit will say arm blown off or sucking chest wound. The army needs it detailed for training but yours could be dead or wounded, maybe even lightly wounded. Also that way the organizers can influence which side is winning by handing out more kia cards.
The Delta Green LARP rules actually used a simple version of combat cards. Hits were described as locations and hp lost with some effect like unconcious or limping if needed. In their version, a sort of skill system combined with chance influences hits. It sounds a little backwards, but a Delta Green character with firearms training does not get better at hitting people. Their sound cards have a smaller chance to produce casualties.
@@RakkSoild One of my mates who was hired as a simulated casualty during an exercise had one to present to the EMT trainees. They had read it and was even instructed in how to act out their injury, and presented the card to the trainees as they checked them.
I’m a Revolutionary War re-enactor, and this was totally new to me. Soldiers in the line battles that I witness (I’m a teamster, so I’m not usually in the thick of things) don’t typically “die”. Overall this was a great video and it was a new thing for me.
I actually have only ever done Airsoft events as a People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN, NVA is cringe and wrong!), and it's honestly such a double-edged sword. It is fantastic and *better* to be able to actually take the hit physically, but the lack of actual battle sounds is such a drain on immersion. Something that affects almost every reenactment set before the 1960s that essentially kills the prospect of using Airsoft is the need for eye protection when using projectiles. Luckily for Vietnam, you can get plenty of "vintage style" safety glasses from companies like Duluth Trading Company. And if you're doing anything from the late 90s on, you can more often than not rely on whatever issued goggles you're using to be rated for higher impacts than airsoft BBs can provide. There is no commercially available repro or even historical analog for anything before Vietnam. Nobody wore impact-rated goggles during the American Civil War, for example. Even for Airsoft Tacticals for Vietnam, it looks pretty funny to see an entire battlefield filled with a bunch of 4-eyes lol.
18:13 - One thing I think should be added to this is to use the ATC/Military method of actually declaring an emergency, to yell the word three times in a row. "Corpsman corpsman corpsman!" Makes more sense in my opionion. "Mayday mayday mayday" is even better of course.
In New Zealand, 3 short blasts on a whistle (carried at least by all officers/ NCOs) stops that battle, (public and tactical) either at the end or earlier if there is an actually an emergency. No one is allowed to fire after a 3 whistle blast. Any other whistle use must only be 1 long blast eg 'going over the top' in WW1.
A LARP system used in some games just gives each side as many casualties as there are weapons. Side A pulls guns on side B in a room. If side A has more guns they control the scene. If side B decides to escalate to shooting, they go down but if they had three guns up they inflict three casualties on A before they do. It is not meant for military or tactical situations.
this was exactly my question after your last tactical video - it’s basically what I thought! thanks for the answer. Seems like hey, if you got yourself in a bad area when the shots go off, maybe take a lil breather ;) seems like a buncha chill guys having a lot of fun in the woods
I do wonder if there have ever been any reenactments where the enemy won despite not historically. Probably a blast. Considering the possibility that the fight could have occurred in a fairly similar way.
What we do with my group (for public reenactment) is just plan ahead who's gonna die, like "we need someone to die other there, someone there..." and then pick a few volunteers, or randomly decide who's gonna do it.
14:22 could also make the point that sometimes in wars a small squad would face insurmountable odds and beat them unrealistic but a crowd might like to see that kinda story be told
I've only done LARPing and medieval reenactment, so I figured the rules were pretty similar but was curious anyway. Nice video, it's sort cool how familiar it is compared to other unrelated reenactment.
1:02 Why not use an infrared laser sight? When you pull the trigger you will fire a blank and an invisible laser, then a laser tag vest under your uniform will detect it and buzz so they know
I don't really do it anymore. But is used to reenact colonial era battles from Australia. The best way I figured out how to tell when i was shot, was counting. So I\one time, I counted the number of total shots, our side and theirs. Once the number in my head hit 250, i waited for someone to be aiming at me, or near me. Hear the shot, and take a fall. The best time was i hit 250 in my head, then saw the canned we called "Big Bertha" aimed at me, just seconds before the deafening boom of her shot. I loosened my joints for the impact, and flung myself backwards around a meter? I can't quite remember. Anyway. I landed next to the medics, who having heard the boom, and saw me flying through the air... Promptly turned away and focused on other people. 10/10 would get shot by a cannon again.
I've been to events with refs. I didn't much like having them, only having one per side kind of meant they had to be everywhere at once. But we did use wound cards. I prefer the cards and honor system of taking hits at private events. But we also had "artillery" (just words over a radio, no simulated firing or anything) and the refs were mostly there for calling that; and they did better when they were concerned only with that, less to worry about and all. If there were more refs, maybe a couple per side but like I said, honor system and wound cards worked the best. We often had an aid station to take wounded and dead back to for respawn. At least on the allied side. Not enough people doing German medical for them unfortunately, I know that would add a lot more immersion for them.
I had the thought that if two US platoons were in a tactical game you could pretend that you were at the Lousiana Manuevers or other stateside training to make a referee make more since
4:53 a good reason to you also probably fell down during that time it's because the two of the people that were in front of you also got down so it would only make sense that you probably wouldn't make it either.
19:13 we used to use No Duff prior to any actually real information outside of a training exercise. Calling in an actual casualty in the radio would be "(call sign) no duff no duff no duff message" etc Is all of RAF thing
Makes you wonder, what would happen if you do a re-enactment without any prior assigning of who dies/gets wounded and all the allied Re-enactors decide to just die/get seriously wounded(combat ineffective) at the same time??? I know, it is highly unlikely, but with no prior setup for who does and doesn't die/get wounded, there will be a small possibility of this happening. If it did, you could put it off as an example of what could have happened if history went differently, after all, even though the allies won the war, they did lose a number of battles.
Wouldn't it make more sense to read your wound card before you begin? That way you know how to act when you're hit, rather than being some kind of shrodingers wound until you read it, meaning you act kinda neutral about it until you read it.
In the Delta Green LARP rules I think you read your combat card but keep the contents to yourself. I think their intention was a LARP system where modern firefights would speed up.
im a history nerd too and im looking to be a re-enactor, im Slovak so ill surely re-enact as the red army most of the time, here in Slovakia its rare to see US soldiers fighting in a re-enactment, we mostly re-enact as the red or slovak army, i have seen re-enactments and i would love to be a re-enactor
What happens after you take a hit? Do you play dead till the end or do you go away after a while? And if you are wounded, what happens with you after getting treatment from a medic? Edit: I should watch the video before asking. :D 16:54
Napolionic reenactor here from germany, i diden't knew that you guys have an acutally code word for when someones is acutally hurt usally when something does go wrong in our era we carry them to the actally medics or they walk themself to the medic like i did at the battle of waterloo. Was feeling dizzy and such so i walked to the medic tend (it were really hot that day and even tho i drank lots i still were sick).
I literally want to come to one of these reenactments just to be a part of a group of guys running and then just the fall and start screaming like I got shot. I don’t care if I’m in it for five minutes that is the reality of war men trained for literal years to literally see battle, and that be the last thing they see
I'm super into collecting WW2 kit, and I'm "in" a 2nd SS reenactment group (never done events with um), but I'm not sure I could ever do events. Hate being a public spectacle. I mostly get drunk with friends and wear it by the bon fire lol
I find it crazy that the ATF says sim ammo is illegal but live or blank ammunition is not… like dude.. f-ing sim ammo was made for training for a reason.
I’m 12 and I play airsoft when I get older I want to reenact ww2 battles eventually. can you make a video about how to start reenactment and what sites to get some gear from
Question: How do you choose sides/get the enemy? I know in the US there are both Union and Confederate groups. But I doubt there are many Americans that spend their spare time dressing up as Nazis. And I am sure such a hobby would make you a pariah in most communities.
I'm just imagining a DDay where every US soldier reenactors decides to die once the ramps drop without telling each other, and the Germans are just like "we won?" once they realized all the US actors decided to die
Here in the UK, we have less blank fire weapons, as only firearms dealers are allowed to have semi auto weapons such as the M1 Garand. Although there are some scratch built Thompsons, Stens & MP 40 that fire blanks, but these are very expensive. We also have gas fire machine guns for the 30 & 50 cal. Some rifles are smooth bore & classed as shotguns. So, typically, battles are planned around those who have blank fire weapons to allow for them to give the bangs for the crowd & the remainder of us plan our "hit" for the action, the younger guys get to run around longer 😉
Ahh, yes, the good old Ishapore .410 SMLE. I didn't have this problem when on manoeuvres with the CCF because they let us play with real guns with blank fire adapters. I always thought it was funny a civilian can't own an assault rifle but they put them in the hands of children for the purpose of training us to kill. We also got plenty of live fire range time and were trained on weapons most civilians would only see in a museum. A gas fire Browning HMG is a pale substitute for the real thing. Like drinking a cup of fake Nazi coffee. I also learned how to use a Stinger but we weren't allowed to live fire them due to the fact it is very expensive. Not only the cost of the missile, but the cost of the drone you'd be blowing up. We did live fire mortars with practice rounds though. And threw live frags on the range, which was perhaps the most terrifying thing I did in training. And I had interrogation resistance training with the SAS that involved waterboarding. E&E training was like being on holiday by comparison. We had a RSM at our school who had fought in Kenya and Egypt with deep connections so we got to do some things most CCF cadets probably didn't get to do.
Emergency is probably the best option, but, humorist that I am, I can’t help but hearing you all scream out the early Southpark Cartman cry of “ow! My ass!”
It seems like there is no incentive to win the battle in a re-enactment. If it looks plausible to the audience, you've succeeded regardless of whether you "survived". So why would anyone cheat?
Hey! Love your content. What camera are you using that you mount on your helmet. I’d like to capture video of my group. We have a “combat photographer” but some video clips would be cool to have.
At a LARP, we would call out something like "break" or "off-game" etc. The actual volunteer medic for the game is not necessarily the in-game medic. We might take a full time out if needed.
In the series American Housewife a guy runs around with colored stickers and puts them on soldiers to let them know. The colors stand for things like dead, mortally wounded and cholera. That last I'm sure they put in as a joke but the idea looked pretty good although just telling the guys beforehand who will die and when seems easier. ;)
I'm "shot" whenever I can't be bothered anymore and want to take a nap. Seriously.
Me too.
Literally what I did at the last event I went to. I also made sure to take my hit in a nice shady spot against the treeline the GIs were hiding in at the expense of them shooting their rifles over my body. Still had a nice nap tho
"you two run out there and get shot" now that's realism
I was just coming here to comment on that hahaah
Yes
i am a WW2 re-enactor. i am also a medic and i do say that some get "hit" like they really took one. i liked this video because i get this question from my family, and now i finally have an answer for them, thank you Mr. Wisdom.
How would I join reenacting?
It sounds pretty fun and I was thinking of getting into it
@YourAverageAbrams see if there is a local re-enactment near you, they can usually be found at parades or just go to events. Sign up for one and start collecting a basic uniform, I'd recommend M43 stuff which is gonna cost some money but it's worth it. I got mines from at the front. Now I assume you want to be a riflemen, so gather stuff slowly, you'll also need a pistol belt, suspenders/belts, and a helmet of course. Ask your unit what patches you guys use and ask/buy one. Buy good shoes. I made the mistake of not buying them from a good source and they wore down in 3 months. So buy some from a source you could trust, don't forget to dub them. Have fun!
@@randoms2222 thanks for the tips
You go and have a good day Thank you
@YourAverageAbrams thank you
is it safe for me to assume you play medic in TF2?
So basically it's the same rules that I used for "cops and robbers" as a kid. Of course you're always going to have that one kid that "dodges" or has a "bullet proof vest".
Exactly
Wait hold on you guys had "guns" in cops and robbers as a kid?!
@Ganondorffi .... You didn't?
In American Civil War, depending on size we usually determine on our own whether or not we'll go down with a volley. Officers will let us know if we either need to start taking hits or if we should slow it up. We try to time big hits involving multiple guys to cannon shots when we can, too.
With tacticals it can get a little more complicated. Usually something gets brokered ahead of time between officers in regards to how many men go down per volley, based on event size, and how long until they can return to their unit as reinforcements.
Well said.
My group we eait gor the cannon ann all take the hit
In my Civil War unit (when I was active) at one point the captain says "Larry, next time they shoot, you take a hit". A single soldier shoots at us and 2 guys wildly separated in the formation drop. After that we numbered the Larrys, so he would call out "Larry #3, take a hit on the next volley".
what's the fun reenacting battles in which everyone dies like muppets?
Medic Gaming (civil war edition)
I even heard one reenactor say: Public re-enactments are for the purpose of the spectators. Add the oocassional screams of pain, when you're shot. Play wounded, but gauranteed to die. And for the truly morbid ones out there, if you find yourself dying close enough to the spectators, stutter, gurgle, and gag, for your mommy, or sweet heart back home, before going quiet.
Behold. A reenactor's most asked question has been thoroughly answered.
Bro I've been watching you since I was 6
Is that a real fire, food, water out weighs how do ya know if youve been hit
@Liamtrestuser_1456 glad to hear it!
2:45 this line got me. 😂
“Eh, my feet are tired.”
_(Acts out getting shot and slowly lies down)_
Your last private Reenactment was an absolute banger, please upload more content like that! I liked that it really showed the depths of how close you were in battle with Germans during ww2 and shows what they had to live like
Exactly. Would love to see more content like that.
Thank you! I was really happy with that video too, and I have more like that coming soon.
@@WorldWarWisdom Lets Go Dude! For some reason it just gives me the feels of nostalgia even though I wasn't in the war lol
With modern technology, you could have a system for registering hits. You use a computer to calculate where a soldier's bullet would have impacted if they fired a live round and have a highly accurate local area tracking device on your person as well as sensors in key areas of your body to determine precise positioning of your body at that moment. The rest is relatively straightforward computer science and math. You don't even need to leverage AI to pull it off.
You could even have several squibs on each soldier so if the system registers a hit, say, to the leg, a squib goes off on the leg. This would also enable a level of realism never before attained in reenactments because you would have the appearance of the real thing, from the spectator's perspective.
Everything could be concealed. You don't have to use light. You can make an RF system. It is a bigger challenge than laser tag but one that can be solved in 2024 by a tech nerd or two. The difficult part would be the coding. There is no need to modify any guns or equipment because we have the technology to make cheap, small sensor devices of myriad types. You could find places on weapons to put them without modifying the weapon or, worst case scenario you have some small part you change out with the sensor in it but maintains the outward appearance.
Such a system would also transform reenactments from pantomime to sport, which would really give the whole institution a shot in the arm (no pun intended). Currently, it is like watching a scene in a war movie, with worse special effects. Make it an actual sport where the winner isn't predetermined and it would go mainstream.
You could still reenact specific battles to teach the history. This would be something in addition to that which would draw far bigger crowds. Make the event 30% living history lesson and 70% sport. Reenact part of a historical battle for your opener and then you have rounds of competition after.
As a 20 year American Civil War Reenactor, I appreciated the way you articulated why we don't use airsoft, paintball or lasers. Very well said sir. I have gotten that question many times but never answered as well as you did here.
That being said, unrelated to reenactment, I hope airsoft muskets become a thing soon.
@@huntclanhunt9697I've always wondered if someone's ever gonns invent any way of making hits easier to register, there's gotta be one right?
Me doing the math to see how old you were when you created your channel: 🤔🧐
@@Glassofmilkwithcookies 35. Started reenacting when I was 15.
As a long time Civil War reenactor I agree. However at large national events (Gettysburg for instance) before the battle, during inspection, an officer may slip a red or black cartridge into a cartridge box. If the soldier pulls a red cartridge he will fire his rifle, then take a wound. If a black cartridge, he will die.
I'm a Civil War reenactor. We only shoot powder charges in our cannons, muskets, and revolvers, but are rarely close enough that anyone could perceive being wounded/killed by a gunshot. More often, before the reenactment battle, our officers designate a certain number of specified soldiers to take "hits" at a specific point of the battle. We are trained to fall FORWARD because you don't know who/what is behind you, and not sideways because you are more likely to be a broader obstacle and more likely to get stepped on by advancing/retreating troops.
As someone who's going to try reenacting next year, your videos have helped me understand some of the nuances behind events, gear, etc. Keep up the great work!
I'll never forget the story I read where they were doing Napoleonic line battles. It was an honesty system where it was kinda up to the guys when they wanted to bite it. Apparently a line of like 10 dudes all decided to go gently into the night, and were all dropped by a single shot from a single musketman 😂
That rifleman did some crazy collateral hits there
The tactical side is pretty similar to airsoft in certain situations. In many situations you know when you're hit, but in others you're not due to adrenaline or simply the BB losing velocity by the time it gets to you. "If in doubt, take the hit." Two huge drawbacks with WW2 airsoft is that the selection of weapons is extremely limited, and their effective range is also quite limited.
Even in airsoft it can be pretty ambiguous to know if you got hit.
If you’re wearing a shirt, jacket, and plate carrier you really cannot feel an airsoft round hit you. You can only hear it, and it’s usually not loud enough in intense situations.
If you’re running, people are yelling, and you’re in the zone it’s extremely easy to not notice if you get hit, so you have to rely on intuition. If someone is obviously spraying you down in the open but you don’t feel a hit you should just call it. The difference being that the airsoft guns are usually pretty quiet if they’re electric so you may not even hear them shooting at you.
0:32 You had me for a second with that white line around the next video pop up
The wildest thing you can hear in a war is “GUYS STARG DYING”
Great video! I get asked this question waaayyy too many times now and frankly just can’t be bothered to answer properly any more. From now on I’ll just refer people to this video.
The wound cards sound pretty neat honestly, sounds great to add some uncertainty and like a little script for an opportunity to a little acting right there in the moment.
If it's too hot or cold or you just don't feel like dragging around the BAR you just fall down. It's that simple.
Or if you partied too hard the night before.
I was at a public event in Waxahachie, Texas a few years back. My unit charged an MG42 nest over a bridge. No one briefed us on taking hits, but I knew I was going to have to get hit as I was in front
I was in the army and faking battles is something we do all the time for training. The miles system you mentioned uses the crack of the blank to activate a laser, Each soldier where's a WW2 style chest rig with tiny little sensors. I will say with todays tech it could prob be made to be invisible and cheap at least for personal battles.
More importantly for casualties What the army does if makes alot of casualties cards and hand them out. You don't look at them until you get hit. Then you open it and hit will say arm blown off or sucking chest wound.
The army needs it detailed for training but yours could be dead or wounded, maybe even lightly wounded. Also that way the organizers can influence which side is winning by handing out more kia cards.
lol I paused to type all that 1 Sec before you brought it up
The Delta Green LARP rules actually used a simple version of combat cards. Hits were described as locations and hp lost with some effect like unconcious or limping if needed.
In their version, a sort of skill system combined with chance influences hits. It sounds a little backwards, but a Delta Green character with firearms training does not get better at hitting people. Their sound cards have a smaller chance to produce casualties.
@@SusCalvin yea for us the CAS cards were more for training the medics and us having normal medi training.
@RakkSoild The cards are used in general emergency response training here.
@@RakkSoild One of my mates who was hired as a simulated casualty during an exercise had one to present to the EMT trainees. They had read it and was even instructed in how to act out their injury, and presented the card to the trainees as they checked them.
You were very thorough and cleared up a lot. Thank you
The screams😂
He screams bc if u get a bullet in your body it’s like it’s burning or sm and it does very painful and he tries to recreate that
I’m a Revolutionary War re-enactor, and this was totally new to me. Soldiers in the line battles that I witness (I’m a teamster, so I’m not usually in the thick of things) don’t typically “die”. Overall this was a great video and it was a new thing for me.
Watching this video has made me decide that I wanna get into historical reenactment
Do it, We have all historic wars and even groups ...example Best Years of our Lives, which is the Post WW 2 era 1945 1950 time frame.
I actually have only ever done Airsoft events as a People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN, NVA is cringe and wrong!), and it's honestly such a double-edged sword. It is fantastic and *better* to be able to actually take the hit physically, but the lack of actual battle sounds is such a drain on immersion. Something that affects almost every reenactment set before the 1960s that essentially kills the prospect of using Airsoft is the need for eye protection when using projectiles. Luckily for Vietnam, you can get plenty of "vintage style" safety glasses from companies like Duluth Trading Company. And if you're doing anything from the late 90s on, you can more often than not rely on whatever issued goggles you're using to be rated for higher impacts than airsoft BBs can provide.
There is no commercially available repro or even historical analog for anything before Vietnam. Nobody wore impact-rated goggles during the American Civil War, for example. Even for Airsoft Tacticals for Vietnam, it looks pretty funny to see an entire battlefield filled with a bunch of 4-eyes lol.
Have you checked out op santa fe hosted by mars before? Feel like you would really enjoy it
Airsoft Peak is GBB only battles with blank grenades, I was lucky enough to do this twice in my local cqb field
18:13 - One thing I think should be added to this is to use the ATC/Military method of actually declaring an emergency, to yell the word three times in a row.
"Corpsman corpsman corpsman!" Makes more sense in my opionion.
"Mayday mayday mayday" is even better of course.
I love your videos!!
19:29, in airsoft, we say “Real World” or “Blind man”, but “Real World” more often than not instead of “Corpsman” it is better than “Emergancy” imo.
Oh my God wait, you’re basically historical theater kids
This is the number one question people ask when they learn you do reenacting.
Realistically: GIs never take hits.
Russians and Germans will. But 101st band of brothers junkies are the worse.
In New Zealand, 3 short blasts on a whistle (carried at least by all officers/ NCOs) stops that battle, (public and tactical) either at the end or earlier if there is an actually an emergency. No one is allowed to fire after a 3 whistle blast. Any other whistle use must only be 1 long blast eg 'going over the top' in WW1.
A LARP system used in some games just gives each side as many casualties as there are weapons. Side A pulls guns on side B in a room. If side A has more guns they control the scene. If side B decides to escalate to shooting, they go down but if they had three guns up they inflict three casualties on A before they do. It is not meant for military or tactical situations.
As a civil war reenactor I just die when I run out of rounds 😂
wow great video. although i cannot be bothered not to ask what model of typewriter that is in the background.
this was exactly my question after your last tactical video - it’s basically what I thought! thanks for the answer. Seems like hey, if you got yourself in a bad area when the shots go off, maybe take a lil breather ;) seems like a buncha chill guys having a lot of fun in the woods
I love that abrupt ending in the beginning of the video 😂😂😂
Thanks for providing answers to questions I never asked.
hey man love your stuff!
Thank you for the info
You make good videos It was good meeting you back in October at the ww2 reenactment in Lima
What's Lima?
@ a city in allen County Ohio
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congrats?
I do wonder if there have ever been any reenactments where the enemy won despite not historically. Probably a blast. Considering the possibility that the fight could have occurred in a fairly similar way.
I know how it’s sometimes hard, because I am reenactor from Europe. So thanks for video
"Im just a history nerd." Love it
What we do with my group (for public reenactment) is just plan ahead who's gonna die, like "we need someone to die other there, someone there..." and then pick a few volunteers, or randomly decide who's gonna do it.
14:22 could also make the point that sometimes in wars a small squad would face insurmountable odds and beat them unrealistic but a crowd might like to see that kinda story be told
thanks a lot, I've been wondering this for so long
A MILES vest (laser vest) costs about 1000 dollars per user.
I've only done LARPing and medieval reenactment, so I figured the rules were pretty similar but was curious anyway. Nice video, it's sort cool how familiar it is compared to other unrelated reenactment.
1:02 Why not use an infrared laser sight? When you pull the trigger you will fire a blank and an invisible laser, then a laser tag vest under your uniform will detect it and buzz so they know
Complexity and realism ig
Because of accuracy of guns are different, range, ww2 didnt have lazers, and also everyone might die fast and make it unrealistic
@ the lasers are invisible silly
Sounds like it would make it way more expensive than it already is
The army pays 15,000 a piece for those units.
I don't really do it anymore. But is used to reenact colonial era battles from Australia. The best way I figured out how to tell when i was shot, was counting. So I\one time, I counted the number of total shots, our side and theirs. Once the number in my head hit 250, i waited for someone to be aiming at me, or near me. Hear the shot, and take a fall. The best time was i hit 250 in my head, then saw the canned we called "Big Bertha" aimed at me, just seconds before the deafening boom of her shot. I loosened my joints for the impact, and flung myself backwards around a meter? I can't quite remember. Anyway. I landed next to the medics, who having heard the boom, and saw me flying through the air... Promptly turned away and focused on other people. 10/10 would get shot by a cannon again.
this guy is perfect for reenacting world war 2, he looks exactly like an early 20s solider you'd see in old photos.
I've been to events with refs. I didn't much like having them, only having one per side kind of meant they had to be everywhere at once. But we did use wound cards. I prefer the cards and honor system of taking hits at private events. But we also had "artillery" (just words over a radio, no simulated firing or anything) and the refs were mostly there for calling that; and they did better when they were concerned only with that, less to worry about and all. If there were more refs, maybe a couple per side but like I said, honor system and wound cards worked the best. We often had an aid station to take wounded and dead back to for respawn. At least on the allied side. Not enough people doing German medical for them unfortunately, I know that would add a lot more immersion for them.
This video came out at the perfect time because a was questioning how you die in a reenactment
I had the thought that if two US platoons were in a tactical game you could pretend that you were at the Lousiana Manuevers or other stateside training to make a referee make more since
4:53 a good reason to you also probably fell down during that time it's because the two of the people that were in front of you also got down so it would only make sense that you probably wouldn't make it either.
18:15 "corpsman", "emergency"...
why not just use words that would never be heard in WW2 like "pineapple pizza" or "smartphone"?
Hunter Biden Laptop! 😁
19:13 we used to use No Duff prior to any actually real information outside of a training exercise.
Calling in an actual casualty in the radio would be "(call sign) no duff no duff no duff message" etc
Is all of RAF thing
Makes you wonder, what would happen if you do a re-enactment without any prior assigning of who dies/gets wounded and all the allied Re-enactors decide to just die/get seriously wounded(combat ineffective) at the same time??? I know, it is highly unlikely, but with no prior setup for who does and doesn't die/get wounded, there will be a small possibility of this happening. If it did, you could put it off as an example of what could have happened if history went differently, after all, even though the allies won the war, they did lose a number of battles.
You have earned my like for the monthly python black knight reference.
An officer telling one to get hit is one of the ironic things ever.
I’m a civil war reenactor and that get pretty expensive, could you help me suggest some gear and how to find local units around me?
Wouldn't it make more sense to read your wound card before you begin? That way you know how to act when you're hit, rather than being some kind of shrodingers wound until you read it, meaning you act kinda neutral about it until you read it.
In the Delta Green LARP rules I think you read your combat card but keep the contents to yourself. I think their intention was a LARP system where modern firefights would speed up.
Bro knows better than 85% of ASG players
Ahhh Monty Python. A man of culture i see👍👍
I really wanna get involved in Reenacting but I have NO CLUE where to start and I work way too much
Also Simunitions hurt like hell!
So the private ones... just WWII LARPing?
im a history nerd too and im looking to be a re-enactor, im Slovak so ill surely re-enact as the red army most of the time, here in Slovakia its rare to see US soldiers fighting in a re-enactment, we mostly re-enact as the red or slovak army, i have seen re-enactments and i would love to be a re-enactor
What happens after you take a hit? Do you play dead till the end or do you go away after a while? And if you are wounded, what happens with you after getting treatment from a medic?
Edit: I should watch the video before asking. :D 16:54
Napolionic reenactor here from germany, i diden't knew that you guys have an acutally code word for when someones is acutally hurt usally when something does go wrong in our era we carry them to the actally medics or they walk themself to the medic like i did at the battle of waterloo. Was feeling dizzy and such so i walked to the medic tend (it were really hot that day and even tho i drank lots i still were sick).
I literally want to come to one of these reenactments just to be a part of a group of guys running and then just the fall and start screaming like I got shot. I don’t care if I’m in it for five minutes that is the reality of war men trained for literal years to literally see battle, and that be the last thing they see
I'm super into collecting WW2 kit, and I'm "in" a 2nd SS reenactment group (never done events with um), but I'm not sure I could ever do events. Hate being a public spectacle. I mostly get drunk with friends and wear it by the bon fire lol
then why wear it at all?
I play airsoft and we usually use "real world" as a code word for an actual injury
I can just hear a cartoon bonk after someone stood up and then just _flop_
I find it crazy that the ATF says sim ammo is illegal but live or blank ammunition is not… like dude.. f-ing sim ammo was made for training for a reason.
Because they think domestic terrorists will use it to train for overthrowing the government
I’m 12 and I play airsoft when I get older I want to reenact ww2 battles eventually. can you make a video about how to start reenactment and what sites to get some gear from
Oh oh oh, are there any reenactors that use Squibs?
Because I would so set one up for a headshot while doing a D-Day reenactment
So you’re telling me someone could just really not have a skill issue and end up actually getting an irl killstreak?
How do I get involved with reenactment? I haven’t had any luck in Arizona
Thanks again. BTW, what jacket are you wearing? I don’t recall seeing one like it.
Question: How do you choose sides/get the enemy? I know in the US there are both Union and Confederate groups. But I doubt there are many Americans that spend their spare time dressing up as Nazis. And I am sure such a hobby would make you a pariah in most communities.
I'm just imagining a DDay where every US soldier reenactors decides to die once the ramps drop without telling each other, and the Germans are just like "we won?" once they realized all the US actors decided to die
Here in the UK, we have less blank fire weapons, as only firearms dealers are allowed to have semi auto weapons such as the M1 Garand. Although there are some scratch built Thompsons, Stens & MP 40 that fire blanks, but these are very expensive. We also have gas fire machine guns for the 30 & 50 cal. Some rifles are smooth bore & classed as shotguns.
So, typically, battles are planned around those who have blank fire weapons to allow for them to give the bangs for the crowd & the remainder of us plan our "hit" for the action, the younger guys get to run around longer 😉
Ahh, yes, the good old Ishapore .410 SMLE.
I didn't have this problem when on manoeuvres with the CCF because they let us play with real guns with blank fire adapters. I always thought it was funny a civilian can't own an assault rifle but they put them in the hands of children for the purpose of training us to kill. We also got plenty of live fire range time and were trained on weapons most civilians would only see in a museum. A gas fire Browning HMG is a pale substitute for the real thing. Like drinking a cup of fake Nazi coffee.
I also learned how to use a Stinger but we weren't allowed to live fire them due to the fact it is very expensive. Not only the cost of the missile, but the cost of the drone you'd be blowing up. We did live fire mortars with practice rounds though. And threw live frags on the range, which was perhaps the most terrifying thing I did in training. And I had interrogation resistance training with the SAS that involved waterboarding. E&E training was like being on holiday by comparison.
We had a RSM at our school who had fought in Kenya and Egypt with deep connections so we got to do some things most CCF cadets probably didn't get to do.
This is so cool!!❤ thank you🎉
I really really want to meet you I love history about ww2 good videos
I'm in the army and i can say for sure miles gear wouldn't work bc 95 % is broken
You should just yell "real wound" or "real emergency"
Emergency is probably the best option, but, humorist that I am, I can’t help but hearing you all scream out the early Southpark Cartman cry of “ow! My ass!”
I wish they made reenactment groups for teens so they could do what the adults do.
thought this was about movies but I just learnt a whole new whole event :O
It seems like there is no incentive to win the battle in a re-enactment. If it looks plausible to the audience, you've succeeded regardless of whether you "survived". So why would anyone cheat?
Hey! Love your content. What camera are you using that you mount on your helmet. I’d like to capture video of my group. We have a “combat photographer” but some video clips would be cool to have.
What happens if someone has an actual emergency during a reenactment? would calling for a medic work?
At a LARP, we would call out something like "break" or "off-game" etc. The actual volunteer medic for the game is not necessarily the in-game medic. We might take a full time out if needed.
Good vid 👍
In the series American Housewife a guy runs around with colored stickers and puts them on soldiers to let them know. The colors stand for things like dead, mortally wounded and cholera. That last I'm sure they put in as a joke but the idea looked pretty good although just telling the guys beforehand who will die and when seems easier. ;)