Going Used - How far will a USED IONIQ 5 go at 70mph? | Motorway Range Test
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This week, I dive into my 'Going used' series, picking out great used EVs which at the time of publishing this video are priced perfectly for most consumers to indulge.
However, there's a lot of scepticism of the longevity of battery/motor technology and whether it can survive longer than we anticipate. In this 'Going Used' series, I intent to test these aging EVs and pick out any issues or point up where they're doing things right.
In this video I look at the Ioniq 5, Hyundai's first leap into 800v architecture and their first major ground up electric vehicle since the integration of an electronic drive chain in the Kona.
Specifically, after 2 years of degradation, is this Ioniq 5 still able to offer a great range if any at all?
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My regular 365 mile round trip from Glasgow to Leicester has put 46,000 miles on my Ioniq5 AWD in 22 months. It’s 6 deg C today and I’m seeing 195 miles at 70mph. A two charge stop strategy requires 50 minutes total charging time for each one-way trip at this temperature and about 40 minutes at summer temperatures. At home in Scotland the car is only charged overnight at 7.5kW and driven in 30-50 mph speed limits when the range is about 210 miles winter and 255 miles in summer.
What size battery do you have?
@@SuperKimjong 74kW. My car is an ultimate AWD but is an early car which missed out on pop-out door handles and side approach warning sensors, I believe because of component availability.
@@chrisbeale9022 - thanks... shopping for used ultimate RWD at the moment, didn't know that about the door handles!
You should find a good deal. My VGC car has just been valued for trade-in against a 5N at £21,500 which seems low, but used EV prices are falling. I think the Taycan has a lot to do with that but Ioniq 5 seems to be affected. In reality the Ioniq 5 has more space, more rear legroom, better range and it’s just as quick as the lesser Taycans. It’s better built too and it fits in car parks!
@@chrisbeale9022 - yea 21k seems low. I see that the larger battery models start to go around 25k-26k (from dealers)... and can only find smaller battery for 21k privately with not a huge amount of miles. I'm sure some of it is early leases ending but also EV depreciation fear spreading in the market. Ive wanted one since I first saw one and they're finally hitting a price that works for me. Only things reading that have put me off a little are 12v battery issues and ICCU recall in other markets (don't think it's hit UK... yet)
Just drove my 54kwh to the Alps. Speed limit is 81. Fully loaded to the roof we were stopping every 120 miles for a wee, range sank to about 145 miles so i actually found this ideal. 521 miles 3 wee stops and lunch to 100%.
The big question is how much it cost in pounds per charge
@@anniecameron6794 depends on if you charged at home or public.
£4 for home £35 at a guess public.
@@crumbschief5628 Well you cant charge at home on holiday so £35 to go about 145 miles pretty expensive. !!
@@davidlewis4399 not really, most the time charge is so cheap I don't mind splashing out, and charging is cheaper in France so win that way to, and I get discount on tolls. So EV to the Alps was pretty good
Our 2022 AWD Ioniq 5 has only lost 1% battery at 41k miles, not even noticeable.
Your calm voice when you drop to 5% SOC makes me think you’d make a great airline pilot!
I wish! 😉
I think this might be an old video. It has not been 20 degrees C in England for about 6 months 🥶
The date on the data screen is Thursday 13th July, which must have been last year (when the 71 plate car was almost 2 years old).
The best video yet well done my man
Much appreciated
In my Renault Zoe, only Jazz FM is played at any time. The whistle and bang of the pop music in your car is a blight to my ears!!
Pop Muzak more like.
Nice overview. Used EVs a few years old are a really good deal and you’ve got 5 years+ left on the battery warranty. 22 degrees though - I’d be afraid of falling asleep at that temperature.
06:42 - was that a Monaro (or whatever you call them in the UK?)
Need to do it in winter and maybe spring to get a really good overall picture my CUPRA born is very efficient in summer but terrible in winter
Really good test , I love the ioniq 5 , it’s a big heavy car , it’s what I wanted but I got the CUPRA born , because I didn’t wanna wait , I’ve done a similar test in my CUPRA born and got to 260 miles which was claimed , it was brand new then though , that also makes a difference, but I did similar in winter and only got 145miles, I see you’ve done a lot of similar videos , when I did my range test in summer the car was brand new and perfect temperature I also didn’t do it all on the motorway and got 4.8mi/kwh , I think as the cars get older there’s a little battery degradation but also some rolling resistance, this is my second brand new ev and my third ev n total and I think they lose a bit from new but ! It’s like the bit they lose was extra ! As my range (guess’o meter) showed 321 miles on its first 100% charge
I've had VW's sister car to yours (assuming you have the 58kWh usable battery), the iD.3, for 2 years now and at 70mph I get about 3.8m/kWh giving a total range of 220 miles in the summer (20C) and around 3.0m/kWh with a range of 170 miles in the winter (5C - it rarely gets much lower than that when I'm travelling in the balmy South East!).
The spring and autumn efficiency is (unsurprisingly) in between the two.
I've only ever had a 260 mile range (4.5m/kWh) when touring A and B roads at 50 - 60mph. And that was with 20C+ temperatures.
@@markjackson8035 I think my results were because the car was brand new I’ve noticed it’s slightly less efficient now which was the point I was trying to make , I’ve had it since may 2022 , and Ive done nearly 11k miles my overall efficiency is 4.5 mi/kwh but I don’t normally have the hvac switched on especially in summer
I see your point, and spookily I too have had the Id.3 since May 2022 , I've done just over 11k miles but my overall efficiency is only 3.8 mi/kwh. You must have a lighter right foot than me! 4.5 mi/kwh average is exceptionally good - your guessometer must be suggesting a 260+ mile range most of the time. Mine is 200 in the cold and 240ish in the warmer weather.
I haven't noticed any reduction in range since new. Common sense dictates there must be of course - it's just so small in my case I still seem to be arriving at regular destinations with about the same level of charge remaining, depending on the temperature.
I average 3.0 to 3.5mi/kwh in the winter and 4.0 to 4.5mi/kwh in the summer months. I do however use the heating and A/C - life's too short and I'm too soft to try to save the odd 5-10% of charge by shivering in the winter or sweating in the summer behind the wheel. Each to their own though - I salute you!
@@markjackson8035 I rarely put on the heater or air con , also I was an early adopter firstly with a phev with a tiny range and then an egolf , so I learnt in those , as for light right foot , definitely not ! I love the instant power to embarrass much more powerful ice cars
What's the range of this model originally? Sorry if I missed that
If that is the original Ioniq 5 RWD with a 73 KWh battery, then it should have had a WLTP range of 295 miles.
About 240 - 250 miles at 70mph and a temperature of 20C. The WLPT test figure is calculated using an average speed of just 29mph. (I've achieved the WLTP range once in 7 years of EV driving, when touring in the summer at mostly 45-50mph).
Bjørn Nyland tested an Ioniq 5 on his channel (well worth a look btw) with 4000 miles on the clock and got around 280 miles at 56mph and 180 miles at 75mph.
This ties in nicely with the result in this video, of 231 miles at a probable true 67mph.
It also fairly neatly highlights the effect of speed on range and efficiency, and shows it to be virtually linear (in this case increasing speed by 35% reduces efficiency by 34%);
56mph = 4.0m/kWh
67mph = 3.3m/kWh
75mph = 2.6m/kWh
It's not the most efficient is it? Compared to the eNiro on the same stretch in similar conditions would be averaging around 4.2 miles / Kwh
Nero is a smaller sized vehicle.
Interesting test of battery capacity in a used vehicle, but the Muzak was unbearable. 😱
Really impressed that at that many miles still usable, I've killed engines in a lot less.
I have a smaller battery (70kw useable) 2021 Tesla model 3 long range. On a recent cold trip (0-5 degrees) from Doncaster to Edinburgh and back, I averaged 4 miles per kWh. That’s around 50 miles better range in far colder conditions doing 70mph most of the way. In summer it’s closer to 5 miles per kWh. Why can’t other manufacturers come close to this efficiency?
Tesla are just superior when it comes to efficiency, your model 3 will go further than my 90kwh audi etron or go further than a mercedes eqc with an 80kwh battery.
@PedalPowerPanther You're comparing an aerodynamic saloon with a bluff SUV though.
The Ioniq 6 long range has identical efficiency and range to your beloved Elon-mobile. And is slightly cheaper.
I concede that Tesla have been ahead of the curve for several years on the efficiency front. Others are catching up now though.
More often than not, the speedometer in both ICE and EVs, over report the speed. You can expect that you were actually only doing 67 - 69 mph. You should use a GPS speedometer. Probably push the car's speedometer to 72ish
Your absolutely correct. As this is a ‘consumer’ driven test and we all go by the instruments in the vehicle I use these to keep it relative.
@@stuart_thomasthat is fair enough, though I never have and used to check the speedo against motorway 100m markers before we had sat nav. You should possibly at least show the true speed though.
Fair enough. I have, however, already tested this in my Ioniq 5 and true MPH is 2mph over the displayed speed. So 72, in this case.
226 miles at 3.3m /kWh suggesting 68.5kwh remaining as a rough number
Edit so 7.5% degradation is a little high at 2 years old.
Using this technique my Kona has lost 0.8kwh or 1.1% at 3 years and 36000 miles
Well its only a guessometer and he parked up with 3% remaining which by your figures would be another 2kwh making it 70.5kwh I dont really think you can glean too much that.
3.3 wasn’t the average consumption is was more like 3.1/2 over the duration which gives a significant better rate of degradation (much less than 7.5%). Kona is a fantastic car, one I’d recommend to many. I have a used test on this in editing now
Cool, just going from the figures in the transcript @@stuart_thomas
Most of the degradation on a battery happens in the first year, then it flatens out dramatically and lose very little per year after that. I doubt your Kona has only 1.1%. Just as this Ioniq 5 has around 4.7% range lost if the original battery was 74kWh and you add in the 3% remaining on the battery. And of that, It likely lost roughly 3.7% in the first year.
@@junehanzawa5165 just from the basic maths of usable portion on a trip. The buffer protects and would hide a lot of losses.
I just bought a six year old second gen NISSAN LEAF EV and it was the best decision of my life
No need to “test real world” because no one drives outside of the “real world.” No need to drive just do math. 77 X 3.8, 77 X 4.1, etc. What needs to be determined is the miles/kilometers per mile at a speed. I elect to use 64 mph. Wind, terrain, electric/HVAC systems drain adjustment, means a practical range of 3 hours, close to 200 miles as I care not to go below 15% if possible. 2022 Ioniq 5 SE RWD long range battery size.
17k miles is barely used my ev has covered 64k miles on a 22 plate, its awful worst car I've ever had. Stressful expensive to run absolute nightmare.
Which car?
Mercedes EQA@@timaustin2000
I'd guess this reply is just another anti EV rant based on nothing other than inability to accept change in their minds and they don't actually have an EV.
Who’s going to buy these used when battery replacement is 50k i will keep my diesel auto thanks
😂
If this in reference to news articles, I would highly advise more critical thinking skills and not believe clickbait articles that capitalise on the ‘fear’ of change people have. A lot of the time there is far more hidden detail to the stories. Remember those EV fire stories, most were disinformation assuming it was an electric car when the cause wasn’t even an electric car. When there had been an electric car fire a lot of the time it was also to do with a fire in the cabin etc and not caused by the car battery. Don’t fall for fear mongering, it is very powerful.
To your comment- This is a really dated understanding of battery technology. Are you still in the 2010’s? Electric cars have already shown that their battery outlasts the structural integrity of the vehicle itself. Didn’t a tesla do 300,000 miles before the battery needed replacing? Yes.
Especially by the time you think you would ever need to replace the battery after it is over 20 years old battery technology and repair would have improved even more.
Most car manufacturers have a 8-10 year warranty/80,000-100,000 mile guarantee on the battery life will be no less than 75% battery capacity within that timeframe.
But hey you stay in the past with your diesel, polluting the planet continuously, many moving parts to break, higher fuel costs, higher frequent maintenance costs, worse ride quality and worse weight distribution, etc.
My petrol vw polo is a 2010 model at 70,000 miles and is about ready to be completely scrapped. So many moving parts it just is crumbling away and this is a common story.
@Dentos19 Peter, It's ill-informed, conspiracist comments from mouth-breathing flat-earthers like this that are helping drive down used prices of EVs, so we should probably applaud you for inadvertently helping us all out.
And just to help you out deciding what you should believe with regard to some of the other f**kwit theories;
Man really has landed on the moon.
Elvis is dead.
Paul McCartney is alive.
5G did not cause Covid.
Covid vaccines did not contain Microsoft chips.
Climate change is real.
Who's needing to replace this battery? Seems absolutely fine to me. He could've rapid charged a dozen times on this journey, had he chosen to. Easily travel the entire length of the UK.
Wife's 2017 Leaf - 7 years old - has only just lost a single bar of capacity. After 7 years. Still a perfectly usable range, still a perfectly usable car.
My Ioniq 5 has gone 25k miles - that's 3.5 years of average use. I don't notice any degradation at all, so far.
Why would I replace it?
I remind you, and everyone here, that the Highway Code instructs that you MUST take a break every 2 hours of driving. At 70mph, that's 140 miles - well, well within the range of this car and most electric cars. With ultra rapid chargers now commonplace, there's absolutely nothing at all stopping you from road tripping this car.
Gosh ! My 14 year old Honda Accord 2.4 petrol can easily cover 450 miles on a full “charge” and can be “recharged” in 4 minutes. I wonder if that car will even be around in 11 years time , let alone how far you’ll be able to go in it .
A middle lane hogger on the motorway, of course your an EV driver.