It's ridiculous, East Timor Hates Indonesia, but economically it depends on Indonesia. East Timor thought that Indonesia was a Colony, but after East Timor became independent, They wanted to enter ASEAN through Indonesia!!
Kayaknya udh tone down kok bro..., Ramos Horta udh ndak "koar2" lagi seperti awal2 thn 2000. Interview ama Najwa aja keliatan + ada beberapa org Indo yg touring kesana baek kok penerimaan masyarakat sananya.
@@akbaryoviestian2301 sudah jadi pakem baku, negara bekas koloni Hispanik (Spanyol dan Portugal) pasti bahasa nasionalnya ya bahasa Hispanik. Contoh: Filipina make bahasa Spanyol. Macau make bahasa Portugis Brazil make bahasa Portugis. Mexico make bahasa Spanyol.
@@akbaryoviestian2301 Udah ga ada org TL yg benci org Indonesia kecuali mereka2 generasi tua yg ikut perang. Namanya jg perang. Ga akan semudah itu bisa dihapus di pikiran. Sebaliknya, generasi baru TL justri sangat eager buat membuka relasi dg negara2 tetangganya termasuk Indonesia.
East Timor does not hate any country. And besides, the cost of rejecting Timor way surpasses the cost of letting it in. Having a Chinese satellite near Australia and Indonesia is probably a political cost the asean should consider… just saying
Australia supported East Timor Independence, So they should support them Economically...ASEAN is already lagging for economic integration due to Laos and Myanmar... What does East Timor bring in to the table? With limited resources and dwindling oil and gas production 🤷🏻♂️
Their oil is predicted to run out in 2023, while the economy of Timor Leste is 90% dependent on oil. If the oil runs out, I'm sure Australia won't care anymore, that's why Timor Leste hastily wants to join Asean in order to gain access to global markets in Asean.
@@CalonDosen25 That's also why the ASEAN is hard to accept them yet. I think the first think they should do is lessen their dependency on oil furthermore it's known that it will run out in 2033. They have to make sure that their development and economic will doing fine after 2033 even without oil.
You got that wrong Australia supported East Timor independence, they also robbed them of their natural resources as compensation. Ironically now they're relying on Indonesian export to survive, the one they stabbed on the back. Even now Indonesia supported them to join ASEAN probably out of business cooperation or even out of pity which is not surprising. They definitely should've found a way to force Australia the same or even more support as Indonesia to give em influence for joining ASEAN.
It's really funny because the country who actually really doesn't want Timor Leste become the part of ASEAN make a news about is Timor Leste on track to join ASEAN.
@@happyfeet5229Well yes if the media is private media but you must remember this is state owned media channel. So of course this media and the government is on the same page.
There is no visible benefit for letting timor leste joining ASEAN especially given Australia is the one hell bent separating timor leste from indonesia to churn that sweet oil money, but now that the oil is no longer as abundant. They abandon timor leste and timor leste somehow feel entitle to seek help from ASEAN after their bad break up with Australia, like they truly just look too high in the sky that they don't even know the condition of the ground they step on.
Their oil is predicted to run out in 2023, while the economy of Timor Leste is 90% dependent on oil. If the oil runs out, I'm sure Australia won't care anymore, that's why Timor Leste hastily wants to join Asean in order to gain access to global markets in Asean.
@@CalonDosen25 correct me if i'm wrong because I'm pretty sure that oil is their sole valuable export commodity that is hard to replicate by other countries (unlike farm product such as coffe, tea, meat, milk, etc). So once they run out of oil, there is really no viable trade benefit to be earn from timor leste that is significant enough to take the risk of inccuring 2nd myanmar (down the line). So from my amateur political perspective, the only one benefit from this suppose membership is timor leste and they are desperately require that benefit which is why they even utter a threat such as "we either will join US or China". While indeed such threat is highly probable (due to timor leste location), but it is not high enough risk for ASEAN members (except indonesia) to suffer significant consequence of such alliance (if it does happen) which is why I doubt the ASEAN will let them join anytime soon (while myanmar still in turmoil).
@@oviiembem6302in the scenario where timor leste joining china be it in economy or more realistically military (as a military post) it will most likely to fail too. We can already see the results of economic dependency to china in sri Lanka not to mention the sharp decline in China's economic growth at the moment facing irreparable decline in birth rate. As to military, it will only give NATO, EUROPE, or even just Australia and the US more then enough reason to make a strong military alliance with ASEAN countries that will hugely benefits ASEAN as a whole.
ask Portugal & Australia to help, ASEAN still has many members who have problems, like in Myanmar it has been more than 1 year and there is no solution , If Timor Leste joins it will become an economic burden, only Singapore which is the highest economy Singapore is also the most vehement refusal to join Timor Leste to ASEAN. other countries are confused with the problem of rising prices and tensions in Taiwan
Once upon a time in a galaxy far, far, away.... Cambodia before joining ASEAN: Can I join ASEAN ? If not, I'll joint China. Vietnam & the rest: We can't let Cambodia joins China. We should let them in. Cambodia after joining ASEAN: Thanks. Now I can join China & can vote to block ASEAN agenda. Today... TL before joining ASEAN: Can I join ASEAN ? If not, I'll join US, China, Australia, & the Klingon. Indonesia & the rest: We can't let TL joins the Klingon. We should let them in. TL after joining ASEAN: Thanks. Now we can join the Klingon & can vote to block EARTH agenda.
Timor Leste must build the state stable and mature with strong constitutions. If not, It is impossible to be admitted into the ASEAN. Myanmar is the worst case for ASEAN now, Cambodia is ready to sell its regional interests to China. What will happen if China buys the Timor Leste government and exports its agenda to the ASEAN organization?
@@bumiku1294 No, sooner or later, We should allow Timor to join but only when the relation between Timors with other Southeast Asian countries is strong enough and necessary enough to make ASEAN move forward. If not, Timor will be huge burden for ASEAN organization. Timor Leste are closer it's relation with Austrilia, not with any of the Southeast Asian countries.
joke aside Timor itself seem to be best functional democracy in this region for now due to Indonesia have some kind of little authoritarian so their problem will be about economic development PS in the term of major investor o it is between china and Australia and in term of strength and integrity really rely on internal politic of ASEAN major founding member that only Indonesia only country that have stable and have certain stance about ASEAN when others like Thailand and Malaysia politic still be some kind of chaos for now and Philippines is in tense dilemma of their standpoint so ASEAN can be more certain after Thailand and Malaysia general election result in next years.
@@p_1945 Yeah sure Indonesia democracy outlook become authoritarian by Timor Leste people, even compare all others ASEAN country there is no good enough for you and all the best belong to Timor Leste 😂 honestly I got bored with your Xanana, Ramos Horta, etc They are same people since 20 years ago. Does it call as status quo ?
Menjadi negara merdeka bukan hanya sekedar soal gagah-gagahan bisa kibar bendera sendiri, bisa punya timnas sendiri yg setara dengan Negara Induk, Merdeka artinya kita mengambil alih 💯 persen tanggungjawab, jadi buat provinsi lain yg koar-koar soal separatisme, mending dipikirkan lagi baik-baik. Semiskin-miskinnya provinsi di Indonesia setidaknya mereka dapat dana segar dari pendapatan provinsi ya kaya di daerah lain, Misalnya nih ya, kalau Bengkulu tidak punya pendapatan daerah yg cukup pun PAD DKI Jakarta bisa kasih tambal kekurangan itu, Gempa di Sulawesi Tengah maka satu Indonesia bakal menggalang dana buat bangun lagi itu kota Palu, simpang kota di Aceh sampai kota Jayapura bakalan ngumpulin sumbangan donasi buat bantu. Tidak ada sekolah bagus di Kalimantan bisa pergi ke Jawa, tidak ada sekolah bagus di NTT bisa pergi kuliah ke Sumatera tanpa halangan tanpa sekatan yg rumit. Tidak ada pekerjaan di Maluku, maka bisa merantau ke Jakarta/Tangerang dll Tapi kalau merdeka jadi Negara Berdaulat sendiri, semua hal itu jadi tanggung jawab diri sendiri, semua hal menjadi lebih rumit dan sulit, makanya buat daerah lain yg terlintas buat ingin memerdekakan diri, saya cuma mau bilang, pikirkan lagi baik buruknya, untung sama mudaratnya apa.
debatable sih yg jadi masalah indonesia karena politiknya yg unitary klo ga bisa tanggung jawab bakalan super malu karena emg dari awal kita gagah2an ke belanda solusi biasanya suka nyalahin org luar atau konspirasi, klo federasi seperti malaysia gampang diurus, papua semisal merdeka bukan cuma masalah identitas tapi hal lain yg kita ga paham atau ga mau tau seperti dekolonisasi belanda, dan masalah lain, timor leste itu kan bukan bekas jajahan inggris jadi australia bantu juga ga bisa sepenuhnya karena aus itu anglosphere, meskipun mereka terpisah, liat aja skrg pas lagi susah negara barat gabung sesuai dasarnya, emg mentalitasnya gitu.
Bener sekali saudara, Knpa mau jdi negara kecil klo bisa jdi Negara Besar. Ambil contoh Pulau Sumatra yg luasnya lbih luas dri seluruh Negara Jepang, kurang besar apa lgi coba potensi Indonesia itu.
"mudharatnya apa?" Dari pandangan orang Timur Leste: -Timtim dianeksasi, gk ada dasarnya TimTim masuk ke indo apalagi dulu jajahan portugis bukan belanda, beda sama papua barat -kejadian santa cruz, dibangunin daerahnya aja nggak cuma buat ribut sendiri Dari pandangan Pemerintah reformasi: - Aneksasi gk ada dasar = penjajahan = tidak sesuai dengan UUD '45 - Hubungan Internasional gk jadi jelek - Menghindari risiko ketidakstabilan di kawasan ASEAN, apalagi kondisinya krismon
@@hilmyzulfikar9243 tapi jangan lupa Indonesia masuk ke Timor Leste juga karena ketika mereka perang saudara (Fretilin - UDT - Apodeti) salah satu dari mereka secara terang-terangan mendukung integrasi dengan Indonesia, dan hal ini faktor kuat dari luar juga Semisal juga salah satu dari mereka tidak ada yang berpandangan integrasi dengan Indonesia, ya saya kira Indonesia juga tidak akan ikut campur
Their oil is predicted to run out in 2023, while the economy of Timor Leste is 90% dependent on oil. If the oil runs out, I'm sure Australia won't care anymore, that's why Timor Leste hastily wants to join Asean in order to gain access to global markets in Asean.
@@CHMichael They were still sunk with their own pride for their govt ability to sink their life with lots of subsidies and extravagant infrastructure projects that were highly not nessecary for a country with 1,5 milion population + few thousand foreign tourists per year.
I think Timor Leste needs to be more careful about joining such a big block. The fear is that Major manufacturing hubs like Vietnam, Indonesia, would flood the market with cheap goods stifling local competition. Timing is key I guess. Build up a stronger local foundation first.
ASEAN should have some parameters to bring the existing members like Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia at par with Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand in economics before admitting more members.
There are only 6 giants in ASEAN. PH, VT, TH, SG, MY, ID. Brunei is rich but it is not an open oriented economy. If we sideline Cambodia, Myanmar and Laos, we risk making them more isolated to the world. Hence ASEAN should be strengthen to help the other 3 to become at par with the rest. Myanmar : the biggest challenge is political turmoil. Laos : landlocked country tend to be less competitive unless it is to change its status to be a tax heaven. Cambodia : they use USD as formal currency making trade with the rest of ASEAN slightly expensive. Cambodia should use Riel, strengthen its national currency and start manufacturing.
Henry Kissinger bombed Laos and Cambodia. International court won't be arresting him anytime soon. Also US and Britain owed Vietnam and Malaysia hospital bills and disabled childcare bills for gassing them with Agent Orange. Some children are still born with deformities until today.
For me TL is just not ready. We already have problem in Myanmar, and then 2 poor countries like Laos & Cambodia has fallen deeply into China's grip. Can TL make sure that they country won't be the same in the future when they get into ASEAN? And also they need to raising up their national economy first and also lift up the people from the unemployment. And also as long as I remember when they separate from Indonesia they doesn't want to be classified as "Asian", so why bother? And PNG? Oh god, that country is 180 degrees even worse than TL with the tribal war, domestic abuses, and high crime rates in there. I can understand if Indonesia invites TL even thou' from my vision they are even far from "capable" like other ASEAN Nations, but PNG? Seriously? I agree with Singapore this time, their vision is realistic. I mean when Timor has run out of oil, what can they offer back to other ASEAN nations? I see this move from TL just to get a donation from a ASEAN organization and capable ASEAN nations such as Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam (probably), Philipphines, and Singapore (which is the country who in-charge as ASEAN's central exchequer). Not only that, beside the unstability in the TL's economy, TL also has very unstable politics. The country that only depended from oil revenue and will run out in the near future and adding with the very unstable politic and also no any effective policy from the TL itself to push up their economy in other sectors, can you imagine that when they get into ASEAN? So when their country broke up with the civil war & kudeta who will get the direct burden? Of course Indonesia since ASEAN has a free tourism visas, they most likely to use it to flee from their country. We don't mind a refugee, and of course TL and Indonesia still "serumpun" (has a connection of culture, religion, language, and race) but if the refugee is kinda a**h*le as Rohingya (as most Malaysian describe them) of course Indonesia get burdened. So far Indonesia has helping TL too many times, just because we don't want any politics and economies crisis in our doorstep that can effecting Indonesia directly. And of course we don't want China's grip over TL in the future (which is neither Indonesia & Australia want to have another potential Cuba in our doorstep).
As Indonesian, we dont talk very much about TL anymore. TL was blinded when they discover oil in the area and want independence. A country with too much oil dependency is a bad prospect
Rather unsurprising should TL sold herself to PRC, by granting PRC permission to build PLA's military base somewhere within her territory.. And rented it for say 99 years ...
@Kharisma Agung Prayoga TL gonna doing it, without Australia nor America permission... besides for TL, she already living in injury time, and desperate time justifies desperate measures... so TL can do whatever it is need to be done in order to keep her boat floating... if by siding with PRC gonna keep her afloat for say another 99 years.. and able to keep her subject's stomach fully feed, thus keep them happy, and that means whoever ruling over them is an okayish.. so be it ... something that both Aus nor USA could not or would not care...
@@dureteheiral1793 Very ignorant statements. I can say the Australian military and government is VERY worried about Timor. The last thing they want is a failed state of over a million people who have no jobs, money or future on its doorstep.
Mm.. pertanyaan ini diibaratkan seperti kamu punya tetangga yg miskin dan susah, akhirnya kamu kasih modal walaupun sedikit, tapi uangnya habis aja buat kebutuhan makan mereka, karena tetangga ini pun tidak bekerja, masa kamu mau suapin tiap hari? yang benar seharusnya si tetangga ini cari pekerjaan & bekerja. Nah sekarang mereka mencoba apply ke Asean berharap akan banyak investor Asean yg masuk ke sana
@@timorleste9831 You wished for independence, we respected and granted your people's wish through the referendum. Now be STRONG AND INDEPENDENT! and pls don't ask Indonesia help is you guys who want to be independent be INDEPENDENT! we ASEAN have enough problem we don't need more problem.
Batu sih bantu tpi klo ada yg dekat kek asean yh kenapa tdk, dgn masuk asean perekonomian daerahnya perlahan meningkat, banyak infestor asing masuk n buka lapangan pekerjaan
I'm a filipino and i see timor leste and it's people as a brother but, you can't let your brother join your basketball team when your brother doesn't even know how to play basketball and just says that they will be great in basketball someday. asean nations help each other grow their country economically. every member state has a role to play and gives something to the table at the same time takes also something from the table which in turn is a symbiotic relationship but if timor leste would join asean just to grow it's own economy and take from other member states w/o giving anything to the table which in turn hurt other asean members and does not help any other asean member then this is not the time to join. the government of timor leste should step up and make timor leste a contributor state wherein asean member states will benefit from it's membership at the same time timor leste will grow too as a result economically. this is just my two cents, i don't have any issues with timor leste or it's people but their govmnt needs to step up and make their country a significant contributing factor in south east asia. so if timor leste is already a significant contributor in SEA which would mean it's membership would give mutual growth to asean nations from it's membership then by all means! when that time comes let them join! but if timor leste will alow it self to be a puppet of china to make a wedge over asean nations then definitely no.
Addition to your last sentences, if Timor Leste becomes a puppet of either China or USA. Well it's sucks. China only care about influence and show off, USA only care about new base in SEA region. Well idk if USA senate can afford to pass additional expenditure to build and maintain the base as the current economic turmoil in home countries is bad. Well idk if China central government can afford to expend any finance as it's home condition is bad enough with financial collapse
I get the sentiment, but as Ramos-Horta said in the video, if they can't join ASEAN, for whatever reasons, then East Timor would basically be left with two choices: Either they cozy up to the US and be a US outpost (unlikely, since the US already has Australia nearby), or they cozy up to China and be a Chinese outpost (very likely, since East Timor is not only VERY close to Australia, but also shares a land border with Indonesia). By letting them in, we (hopefully) prevent them from being a pawn of either. On the bright side though, they only have around 1 mil or so people. I think more than Brunei, but not by much. If push comes to shove, Indo and Vietnam can just pump cheap rice into their country.
It's tough situation, Timor leste aren't qualified to become asean member, but we cant allow them to become us or china military base. If that thing happen, the stability on the region will gonna be fucked.
Ini sebenarnya mereka ingin menjadi bagian Indonesia lagi, tapi dengan cara lain wkwkwk. Saya sangat merasa kasian, sama orang RAS TERTINGGI ASEAN. Kan mereka dulu ngaku bukan orang Melayu / Asian atau semacamnya, mereka adalah Kaukasiannya Asean
@@INDONESIABUBAR2030BYSPIZYDORI they are portuegese not not just "poor" asian as they dream😂 after getting f by portuegese and later by australia now they want to become asian back😂😂😂
no country is independent. even england import oil from saudi. europe import gas from rusia. indonesia import grain from ukraine. the best way to describe timor today is..not mutually benefit. asean member also not independent to each other. but they exchange the trade and the commodity, and give mutual benefit to each other. this "muttual benefit" capability, is the thing that timor does not have today.
Asean as a regional intergovernmental organization , there are still many shortcomings and weaknesses , can not help solve problems in Myanmar , less compact and solid fellow members , fellow members have problems with each other such as cultural claims , borders , extradition etc. . the economic inequality of each member is very high , it has little role in world politics . As if it still belongs to the powers of developed countries, Asean must be strong, united and solid like the European Union.
ASEAN was not designed to be like the EU. And look at the EU, strong is not the best word to describe it (hint: Brexit, and probably Grexit, Nexit...).
@@nathannataatmadja3349 I agree that the EU has its own problems, but Germany will sink with the ship. They are the strongest EU country at this point, and leaving would be catastrophic. They'll add member states due to Russia.
No intervening internal issues for ASEAN. But it has come to a point that other nations have to accept the refugees from Myanmar, be it Rohingya or Burmese, both are on standpoint because they cannot be returned to the murderous Myanmar military junta. Since economy is also affected, perhaps using airforce intervention is eventually cheaper than the refugee crisis.
In short, timor leste is very far from ready. They will only present themselves as a very big burden to ASEAN, especially when their oil has been completely dried up by Australia
@@amorsemlimite4427 watch the video all Singaporean academics and think tank said the same thing. Once timor leste become asean member it will be the group responsibility for Timor leste conflict and bankruptcy.. Indonesia and Australia would be happy. But Singapore is certainly not.
@@DaengKulle795 🤣🤣🤣🤣opinions are opinions, very much difference when you have valid data. I have visited some ASEAN countries except Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia and it gave me very deep understanding how people in this region live.
Unless they were economically stable and developed, then them joining ASEAN only brings negativity. Its like 3rd world Ukraine joining EU and EU thinking that its a good thing
Indonesia still has problems in some areas, especially in the eastern part. There are still very few job opportunities. If Timor Leste joins ASEAN, the country that will be the first to be affected is Indonesia. The very high unemployment rate in Timor Leste will pose a serious threat to our brothers and sisters in the eastern part of Indonesia. So it is better for Indonesia to wait until Timor Leste can stand alone and stabilize the country's political and economic conditions.
True indeed, and you should see the investigation brought by najwa sihab via narasi newsroom. There is much of hidden corruption inside the government especially in mining and oil industry. Their economic sustainability is bad by relying heavily on oil sector. Once it's gone you know we will face the next Venezuela of SEA.
ASEAN still has a tough job to do to improve the economy and welfare of several member countries such as Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar etc. ! Don't be forced to accept membership of a country categorized as one of 10 poor countries by UNDP report of 2021 like Timor Leste. Firmly rejection of Singapore and other Asean members of Timor Leste's application to become an Asean member must still be strongly supported ! until there is an increase in the welfare of the 10 Asean member countries ! No negotiation for this matter !
Honestly as an Indonesian i dont mind TL to join ASEAN. Edit: but i do have concern because watching this i came to conclusion that the reason why TL want to join ASEAN is because they need us, while i still have no idea about what can they give to us in return?? Also at 40:21 why are you trying to hide the truth? The true reason why TL oil have been dwendling is because Australia have been sucking their oil dry. Even TL have admitted it as they brought this matter to the International Court.
They need a lot of back up plans, they need more brains on their government not only politicians. If this keep going they'll wouldn't last 2050. The point is they are in hurry for their lives.
LOL.. Ramos Horta in 1999 literally said "We don't need Indonesia" & "Our country will become rich just like Dubai".. And now you beg Indonesia to approve you join ASEAN.. Lame
26:07 Did you ask to join ASEAN, your honorable? Then, you criticized the governments of ASEAN. No wonder your application to join ASEAN become a limbo. 38:08 Two easy options: become part of sphere of influence of either USA or China? As simple as that? Are your sure?
Semudah itu seorang presiden mengatakannya,seperti tak punya pilihan lain dan mengorbankan kedaulatannya untuk mengancam stabilitas kawasan. Mereka seperti tak siap bernegara,menganggap penggadaian kedaulatan seperti menjadi gagasan yg sederhana,gk habis pikir saya.
Beruntung timor leste di sisi lain merka gabun nenegra berbhasa Portuguese dan aksen pasar eropa dan sisi lain merka masuk asea. Mk mereka juga inkut pasar asean jadi negra merka untung aksesn masuk eropa free visa kerja maupun sekola free bagusnya timor leste
And then bring it's conflict to sea region?, it's more safe to join asean so they can access both market (west & China) and bring zero / minimal conflit with it
Currently, there is a period of injury time and potential chaos for TL, it is estimated that in 2023 oil and gas as economic supports will dry up, plus the low export value, high unemployment rate.. Indonesia strongly supports TL joining.. there are several countries that have not agreed and Indonesia cannot dictate all members agree..
What's the point of Timor Leste joining in. ASEAN barely have any meaningful interconnectivity beyond ease of access for tourism that will meaningfully help TL. Meanwhile, if we want to expand the partnership further in economy and defense, bringing in a country poorer than Laos will not speed things up.
@@bumiku1294 seperti kalau kita mengajukan proposal pasti akan dijawab, "kami akan bahas dulu ya" atau " kami tampung dulu ya" ketika tdk ada kabar dan kita kembali bertanya, kok blm ada khabar, kok lama hasilnya dan di jawab, "karena keputusan berdasarkan konsensus bbrp manager" besar kemungkinan itu artinya DITOLAK bahasa resminya adalah BELUM SAATNYA bahasa lugasnya adalah TIDAK SEMUDAH ITU FERGUSSO cmiiw
Saya kira rakyat Timor Leste sudah lupa dengan bahasa Indonesia dan menggantinya dengan bahasa Portuguese rupanya mereka masih bisa berbicara dengan lancar. Salam penuh do'a dan cinta dari saudaramu Timor Barat.
Anak muda timor leste kelahiran paska kemerdekaan lebih open minded dan banyak terekspos dengan dunia intertainment Indonesia, tendesi anti Indonesia lebih minimal di generasi ini
42:57 If Timor Leste not join ASEAN, Timor Leste only had One option. There're no two options. They will join China. As they wanted since 1975. And that one of the caused problem of invasion. History repeat itself. The old generations must go. Then Timor Leste could join ASEAN.
Standard of ASEAN to onboard new member is getting higher because of pandemic induced trouble in economies of asean member state adding the ongoing issue of Myanmar and Chinese influence in Laos and Cambodian parliament BUT if Timor Leste accepted it will be a huge benefit to Timor in terms of economic development and people cooperation. Timor is new and population is small then Asean membership will of great help to uplift Timorese future.
@@ignatiusryd2031 And yet why don't you see Myanmar junta (which caused refugee crisis), Laos and Cambodia (which support Nine Dash Lines of China instead of their brothers position in ASEAN) as a huge burden for ASEAN?
@@MacrohardOnfireExcelSuite Perhaps you have no idea that the current civil war in Myanmar already gave ASEAN lots of headache to the point where ASEAN in unison were decide to openly condemning and isolating Myanmar from ASEAN. Secondly, eventough Cambodia and Laos are not in line with ASEAN core members like Indonesia + Thailand + Malaysia + Singapore + Philippines in terms of 9 dash line dispute with China, its more than obvious that those two do able to kept their pace to match the economic growth and the minimum ASEAN standards that were applied on its more powerful ASEAN neighbours. On the other hand, TL still need tons of catching up, unfortunately their pocket were bleeding very furiously because their leaders are absolutely clueless in terms of how to manage a country and to attract foreign investors. The only thing they know now is spending money on tons of extravagant + useless infrastructure projects that still unable to gave TL any incomes.
ASEAN has no mechanism or system to help members in economic trouble, so how can it burden ASEAN? It is just a loosely held organization. There are not much obligations or rights that you get by joining ASEAN. They designed ASEAN that way. East Timor joining ASEAN won't give much burden to ASEAN because there is no burden sharing in ASEAN. There are benefit for ASEAN and East Timor. For ASEAN, one more new member meant the organization is bigger and more influential. For East Timor, it has more political standing, especially when dealing with Australia that regularly bullying East Timor.
I hope CNA can make a full comparation between East Nusa Tenggara province (one of the poorest province in Indonesia) and Timor Leste, so separatist group such as OPM in West Papua, can learn from it 😀
OPM is secretly sponsored by Australia, since they are eager to fully extract all the Papua resources while giving them nothing in return, just like they did with TLE. Australia gave refugee status to Veronika Koman who is pro OPM.
East Timor: we are working on being more presentable to be accepted into asean since some member states have some reservations about us. East Timor: *Politically corrupt
They're not the only one that's politically corrupt in SEA though. As a matter of fact, the only country here that's not politically corrupt is SIngapore (and even they still make some questionable decisions from time to time). It's not a deterrent to enter ASEAN. The primary factor would be the combination of their small size, low HDI, and mediocre natural resources. There are already two smol countries in ASEAN - Singapore and Brunei. Singapore is a global leader in HDI, and Brunei is blessed with abundant oil reserves. Timor has some oil, sure, but it pales in comparison to Brunei or Malaysia. That, and the way they flip-flopped on the Myanmar issue. Can't imagine the ASEAN Five being too happy about it...
"We are caucasian of the east" & "Who want to join a bankrupt nation?" -Ramos Horta 2002 "Indonesia is our partners, brothers, Sukarno is great, I like jokowi" - Nobody 2022
i would suggest a new road for TL, try to do small thing first, like a pact with a certain country to get hitch on for a ride, may be like Philipine, Indonesia or Singapore, or better yet in recent year Vietnam, where logistic are currently buzzing. Try to boost your economy first, stabilize your country and then u can start talking about bigger thing. Not all country got their independence handed on a silver plate, take that in mind. Be strong, be independence. You are too young to be rushing. PS: even if u can join, what can u even offer right now and a hundred years to come? Sometime, deny is respect in the facce of a pity relationship, to each their own.
Unfortunately after Timor was given their independence on a silver plate, the criminal Indonesian invaded and they had to fight for their current independence.
Ya, kita tau ASEAN adalah kawasan yang relatif stabil di tengah kekacauan dunia. Ekonomi yang konsisten tumbuh dan perkembangan teknologi yang pesat. Bergabung ke ASEAN jelas akan memberikan banyak manfaat bagi Timor Leste. Tapi, apakah Timles mampu mengejar ketertinggalan? Indonesia akan selalu mendorong Timor Leste untuk bergabung dengan ASEAN. Indonesia juga sudah banyak berinvestasi dan membuka usaha di Timor Leste agar lapangan pekerjaan terbuka. Tapi juga dibutuhkan kemauan dari pemimpin politik Timor Leste untuk berkomitmen membangun dg maksimal dong. Kekacauan parlemen gk bisa terus terjadi. Rakyat mrk yg jadi korbannya. Tabungan negara yg ada bisa dipakai untuk mengembangkan ekonomi lewat BUMN. Jgn hanya dihamburkan untuk infrastruktur mubazir.
infrastruktur itu penting. sangat penting... gimana mungkin bangun pabrik tapi gak ada akses jalan nya, dan pelabuhan nya...?? Gimana mungkin anak2 bisa sekolah/belajar klo gak ada gedung nya, listrik nya, internet nya, dll..?? Pembangunan infras itu tidak mubazir.
@@kudajingkrak4919 betul tapi yg dibilang komen diatas itu ga salah juga tentang stabilitas politik, politik timles harus lebih dewasa, harus punya kepekaan untuk bangsa nya gabisa ribut terus menerus seperti itu.
@@Toriqwidyawan Gw prnah ke DIli bro... wktu gw dsna, gw seperti naik mesin waktu kembali ke Indonesia 15-20 tahun yg lalu. Rakyat susah cari duit,, sekalipun dpt kerja tapi gaji sangat kurang bwt menunjang kebutuhan dasar harian. Man... klo lu prnah hidup di Indonesia 15-20 thn yg lalu,, dlm situasi sprti itu, lu gakan bisa mikirin inovasi. yg jadi prioritas lu pasti cuma kerja dpt duit supaya keluarga lu bisa makan. M'berantas kemiskinan, jaminan kesehatan, pendidikan, dan penyediaan lapangan kerja adalah tugas negara wicis dipegang sama pejabat/politisi... Timor Leste cuma butuh pejabat yg tau caranya kerja yg bener, dan tidak memperkaya diri sendiri. Wicis i don't know if they ever gonna get one.
An open letter to Timorese people who wants to join ASEAN. I am Filipino, and I will say this again. I know we are brothers. We are Catholic, we have same traditions. But all of those things mentioned aside. 1. Learn to understand what is the purpose of ASEAN. It is economic cooperation of middle to high-income countries which are stable in terms of peace and order, economic growth, supply-chain of food and basic needs, and human resources. ASEAN is very competitive in terms of jobs. Indonesia and Vietnam are the leaders in terms of manufacturing. Thailand and Cambodia leads tourism along with Malaysia and Vietnam. Laos and Myanmar are not far behind. (If the coup did not happen in Myanmar, it would be relatively stable). The Philippines is well balanced like Indonesia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand. Where agriculture, infrastructure development, tourism fuels the developing economies. Brunei leading the oil in ASEAN. Of course Singapore being the center for trade and commerce in ASEAN and is already developed 2. I’m not saying that Timor-Leste is a burden to ASEAN. But whatever way I say it, will lead to it. Timor-Leste is not competitive enough and its economy is slow in terms of growth. It can’t contribute enough in ASEAN’s trade. For instance, Your main exports are coffee. But we also produce coffee far more than your country. I mean, your main exports are all available in our respective countries and we produce a lot. Singapore might have been importing most of their food, but look. In return Singapore gives us more than what we give them. It’s investors. Brunei also gives us oil, and Brunei has one of the highest wages in ASEAN. 3. What will I invest in Timor Leste? I can’t do E-Commerce there, the internet is already bad in ASEAN, Let alone in your country. majority of the people are computer illiterate and they lack knowledge about technology. I’m not saying that Timor-Leste can’t join ASEAN. It’s just, Timor Leste is not prepared and is not stable. Let’s be brutally honest here. Timor-Leste will only ask for aid and not trade. President Ferdinand Marcos himself already said “We want trade, not aid” Your ambitions are way too much from what you have. Try again in 2050.
Ramos Horta, in an interview with CNN, 1999: "For generations, East Timorese will not want to hear anything about Indonesia. And joining ASEAN is very far [down] my list of priorities." Are you upset at ASEAN's apparent lack of action? Yes. They are a club of hypocrites who play golf, display ostentatious [ways] and crack down on students and intellectuals who disagree with their policies and lifestyle. There is, of course, some fresh air in ASEAN, notably the Philippines. The Filipinos show that you can have fundamental freedoms and economic growth hand in hand. We will look for relations with individual members of ASEAN, the Philippines in particular. We have with the Philip-pines immense cultural, religious and historical affinities. But also we look to bilateral cooperation with the Singaporeans, Malaysi-ans. Our strategic choice will be strong relations with countries to the south -- Australia and New Zealand -- and with Japan and the U.S. As for Indonesia, what kind of cooperation can we have? Any Timorese businessman who wants to do business with Indone-sia will think twice because of corruption and cronyism.
I can understand all the concerns raised in this video. Economic development and political stability/integrity are the main issues here. I also see a few comments supporting TL joining ASEAN asap. I'm sorry, but regular people don't really understand how international relations/politics work unless you study it. There're many things to consider beyond economics and politics. Few already mentioned by experts in this video such as the consensus principle where one country can become a headache when it has too much dependency. For example, Cambodia and Laos tried to block ASEAN Joint Statement on South China Sea issue in 2012 and 2016 and we all know these countries depend heavily on Chinese investment. Another one is the non-interference principle which makes it difficult to resolve any crisis when it comes to internal politics, such as coups or conflicts which tend to happen in the least developed countries like what is happening in Myanmar. It's not only destabilising the region but giving Asean a bad reputation. Now upon hearing this 42:40 from the President himself, to me, this sounds like a lack of political integrity which could be a red flag. All that said, I really want to see TL join the ASEAN big family but it will need another few years, if not a decade, to be able to catch up with some level of development. Also, TL needs to prove its regionalism, and show some degree of integrity or independency so it doesn't seem to be easily stirred or intervened by other countries. Ref: China Reveals Its Hand on ASEAN in Phnom Penh www.csis.org/analysis/china-reveals-its-hand-asean-phnom-penh Myanmar: ASEAN’s Failed ‘5-Point Consensus’ a Year On www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/22/myanmar-aseans-failed-5-point-consensus-year ASEAN deadlocked on the South China Sea, Cambodia blocks statement www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-ruling-asean-idUSKCN1050F6 ASEAN nations fail to reach agreement on South China Sea www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-18825148
Leaving east timor out of ASEAN means that they would align with China or the US. As an Indonesia, could you imagine having a neighbor that is puppet of China or the US?
Threatening to join either US or China as a military outpost if rejected by ASEAN is so very stupid for someone who has been a foreign minister. You said that loud to a Singaporean media whose country has been rejecting you for this long? If Singapore finally agree does it mean you can tell your people that Singapore finally agree because they succumb to your threat? This is how Australia left your country in the first place. Threatening Australia you will go to China if Australia do not want to invest in Great sunrise project. The thing about Timor leste's elite is no one really care about the people. It's all about me is the one who did it. And they all say it loud. No Asian humility. We get rid of Indonesian invaders and we humiliate Australia as oil stealer. These arrogance are always coming from Portuguese descent leaders. Jose Ramos Horta" I am the most clevest the Nobel laurette who embarrassed Indonesia in international forum. I can comment on Papua Freedom Movement and Myanmar democracy all I want even though it jeopardize Timor leste's applications. Someone needs to teach him Asian humility and to let go his European descent superiority complex mentality. Once timor leste can get rid of Xanana Gusmao and Ramos Horta, their arrogant portuguese descent leaders perhaps Asian leaders want to accept them in the same table.
@@riezan they have been trying to play out big Powers against each other for their own interest between China and Australia. Between Indonesia and Singapore. Too bad those tactics are so easily recognized and cancel each other out. Both Australia and China have less interest in Timor leste today and retreating themselves from timor leste. Their leaders are so hypocrite and pragmatic, so why would China or Australia spend money there when they know their leaders can easily change their allegiance. They don't even know their place too. They are not that strategic military anyway not even in busy trade route. Solomon is much more strategic in both terms.
@@nntflow7058 you really believe western/australian news? If they really hate Indonesia, they will never get in any trade or connection with indonesia after independance. But yeah, they still get in contact with indonesia and still ask for indonesia help. Btw, im here am no indonesian but read widely rather than one lense of news.
@@cnachopchopnewsagency whatever it is behind their independence, what happened, happened. it was heart breaking to lose timor leste as the part of Indonesia but it is what it is, and there's nothing we can do about it right now. all matter now is humanity, everyone deserve prosperity, and they're the neighbor of Indonesia, as Indonesian I can't say Indonesian people is in the best economy situation right now, but we're working on it, we're fighting together, to have a better life. and if there's a way to support our neighbors to have a better life, why wouldn't we support them as well? as long as it doesn't disserve or harmful for any other countries stability, then i think it's all totally fair to do.
@@dyazkiprit Oh, yeah. How about the refugees when Mayor Alfredo done rebellion (2006-2008).The refugees still exist in Indonesia teritorial, They wont goback to their Countries (East-Timor) so what must to do about them meanwhile they are begging for help not only in Economic but also they want to be Indonesia Civilization. That only one problem we can see in surface when we are digging to deep, you will know they are bugging Indonesia.
they complain about TL political instability but look what happened to myamnar after asean let them in? the problem is not the economic and political instability of TL but division with in asean members state as well
Dont make problem with ASEAN. ASEAN already have many problem, Miyammar one of the biggesst problem right now with ASEAN. How about if TimLes joing with ASEAN, the biggest problem more come again.
@@akuyos2402 Myanmar and perhaps Laos. Both have too much investment from China and are being manipulated. I don't have a problem with Chinese investing into ASEAN countries, but I do have a problem if they interfere with how ASEAN works as a group.
bro after 20 years independence from indo, they still using Indonesian Language 12:0015:50 (Student) 19:01 (Researcher) 37:20 (journalist) As indonesian, i support East Timor joining ASEAN, because if they dont, ET will join with China or US, thats not good for ASEAN power, however ET not good with economicly but that the price.
Akan menjadi benalu dan beban bagi asean. Biarkan saja mereka sendiri, terserah mereka ikut blok mana selain asean. Tak perlu kita berlagak sebagai pahlawan untuk mereka. Mereka sering mencemooh dan menuduh kita sebagai kaum penjajah, sedangkan penjajah portugis dan australia mereka anggap sebagai pahlawan. 😅
Frankly I'm shock TL didn't go with AU association whatever it's called, instead It wanted to go with Indonesia which they consider as its "colonists", hilarious.
Kalian membenci kami Indonesia, terus kalian mengatakan kami penjajah oh sungguh ironis, portugis dan australia menjanjah negara kalian dengan terang-terangan kalian tutup mata, terus kalian mendukung sebagian dari Indonesia untuk keluar dari Indonesia, kalian bermuka dua, dan kalian juga mendekati Indonesia untuk bergabung ke negara Asean Indonesia mengabulkan itu, habis itu kalian bergantung ekonomi kalian dari Indonesia tapi kalian tidak tahu berterima kasih kalian hanya terus membenci dan membenci kami, ingat sakit hati kami sebagai warga negara Indonesia dan doa keburukan tuk kalian jika kalian menyakiti Indonesia 🙏
Enak banget ngomong kayak gitu meskipun faktanya Indonesia invasi Timor Leste secara ilegal, bahkan negara seperti AS dan Australia pun diam dan enjoy2 aja, toh buat mereka masalah komunisme perlahan2 diselesaikan...
Ada negara yang seolah jadi pahlawan di masa lalu tp nyatanya mereka mengambil sesuatu yg berharga dr negara yang ditolong tersebut (minyak). Ada negara yang dianggap sebagai penjajah karena suatu rezim, yang menyebabkan pertumpahan darah krn politik, tapi mereka memberikan pendidikan kpd mereka, memberikan alokasi APBN kpd mereka melebihi bbrapa provinsi lain di indonesia di waktu itu. Skrang jika apa yang mereka mau tidak kesampaian, maka mereka mengancam menjadi tempat untuk pangkalan militer negara luar. WOW
@@omroni9275 klo gue si masa bodo, ya kdang ngarepin mereka stidaknya maju sedikit, cmn saya bingung kok klo masih ditolak jd member ASEAN kok ngancem jd base militer china atau amrik. yg mana hal tsb bisa mengganggu stabilitas geopolitik kawasan ASEAN. Sjujurnya TL bknnya hrusnya gabung ke kawasan negara kepulauan Pasifik ya?
@@mandanani828 itu cma gertak org frustasi, kalo ada konflik terjadi tanah meraka pasti akan rata karna negara mereka di gadaikan dan pastinya mereka mikir kesitu jg
@@omroni9275 ya ngarep sih gtu, tp klo terdesak kyknya bisa kemungkinan akan terjadi karena keadaan geopolitik global lg panas antara china dan negara anggota NATO. China atau lawannya bisa memanfaatkan utk militernya dan TL butuh uang. Bgi indo sndiri baik dtangnya dr china atau lawannya akan membuat keamanan pertahanan negara sedikit terganggu. Di Laut natuna kita blom kelar dgan china, ama australi kita gk tenang krn AUKUS, aplgi klo sampe bikin pangkalan militer di TL.
Bluntly speaking, ASEAN is already having enough problems in bringing Laos, Cambodia, and Burma up to par with the development of other ASEAN nations. That is the reality because those countries were deeply disadvantaged by their protracted wars and instability. IMO, they should focus on helping their current members and not add the extra headache that TLE will bring the ASEAN members. Personally as an Indonesian, I still remember that in the beginning of their independence, TLE scorn ASEAN as an organization of poor nations, they (TLE) firmly believe that their oil resources will bring them up to the level of SG or Dubai in no time. Whelp, that's a bust. 🤷🏻♀️ Now, they are begging to join ASEAN? No, thanks. You scorned us then, we scorn you now.
I do not agree if Timor Leste joins Asean, because from the economic aspect it is very far away. The reason is that the country's currency is still using the US dollar
Indonesia is doing it's best to support TL, but honestly nothing's gonna change so long as the people of TL doesn't change. I always wonder why can't they just ditch the US dollar and make their own currency, or at least use Indonesian rupiah instead to smooth things up on their side, given that most of the help they receive come from Indonesia anyway
@@aisukururimu7515 not just indonesia but other countries as well by providing scholarships to produce nation builders. But it will take a loooonggg time.
@@Ymats-dj1ntako pabor ako, dahil makakatulong to sa reptutayson ng asosasyon, at nakalagay sa constitution ng ASEAN na hindi to makikielam sa gera pang civil
Oh please no more Aussie puppet crap. Having PNG next to Papua already caused a lot of stability issue. And now this breakaway province is failing and risk another separatist group spawned to the neighboring country, great.
I don’t care about Timor Leste. ASEAN doesn’t need Timor Leste, but they TL need us-ASEAN. Why don’t they be ashamed by their arrogance? Joining Indonesia was such a great choice yet they betrayed their own people by so much depending on Australia and yet they got nothing but being exploited by Australia. I mean it is karma that affects the TL’s situation rn.
Let's take a brief look at the economy in ASEAN currently plus Timor Leste in 2023. GDP per capita (nom): 1. Singapore $ 87,9k 2. Brunei $ 34,4k 3. Malaysia $ 13k 4. Thailand $ 7,3k 5. Indonesia $ 5,1k 6. Vietnam $ 4,3k 7. Philippines $ 3,9k 8. Cambodia $ 1,9k 9. Laos $ 1,9k 10. Timor-Leste $ 1,5k 11. Myanmar $ 1,4k We can see that per capita Timor-Leste is already surpassing Myanmar. But in bigger picture, number of population is also as important as the per capita income. We can see the total GDP of each ASEAN nations below: 1. Indonesia $ 1,4 T 2. Thailand $ 513 B 3. Singapore $ 497 B 4. Philippines $ 436 B 5. Vietnam $ 433 B 6. Malaysia $ 431 B 7. Myanmar $ 75 B 8. Cambodia $ 31 B 9. Brunei $ 15 B 10. Laos $ 14 B 11. Timor-Leste $ 2 B This way we can understand why ASEAN are still hesitating about Timor-Leste. There's little to offer economically. But I think competition between USA and China could be an opportunity for Timor-Leste to push for ASEAN membersship. Though, openly telling to join US or Chinese side is not a good idea, as the interests of nations will change time by time but their geographical position will always be near ASEAN members especially Indonesia. They need to play their limited cards correctly.
Stability of the society and aspiration-action of the people of Timor Leste will determine its future. In this documentary, the reference to Myanmar's recent chaos is poorly-thought (look at the countries around China to see if democracy is suitable).
yeah. indochina region not suitable for democracy. so.. let them be like that. dont try to change it to be democracy. democracy is not the best system.
Timor Leste is not a stable country, and should not join ASEAN for nearly future years. Why? 1) Timor Leste main income is from oils, but their oils is estimated will be drained in 2023 because of massive explorations by the Australian government (a country who was pretend to support their Independence). When the Timor Leste oils drained in 2023, and Australia abandon them, pretty sure they will fall into their worst economy crisis. Timor Leste is at the brink of bankruptcy. 2) Timor Leste don't have their own currency, they used USD. Which means Timor Leste don't have financial/economy sovereignty, and their financial status is depend to the US's economy. But we know that Timor Leste have huge different status with a rich country like US. If US got hit by inflation or any economy impact, the damage to a poor country like Timor Leste will be extremely devastating. US could recover quick since US is a rich country, but Timor Leste will need years, even decades to recover. 3) There are dozens-hundreds of new rebel organizations in Timor Leste, that makes Timor Leste having a lot of security issues. That's why there's very low investors interested to invest into Timor Leste, since security is one of the main important things to invite the investors. 4) Timor Leste don't have good human resources to boost their growth. Their leaders don't know how to run a country. They have lack educations, their university is at the lowest quality, and more than 80% Timor Leste people cannot write and read. Etc.
I love timor Leste to be part of ASEAN as a filipino and i hope policies of ASEAN would be much stronger and more free trade and help each other rather than compete and betray behind its back
Kalau tidak salah, TL menjadi bagian Indonesia selama 22 tahun dan lepas dari Indonesia sudah 23 tahun. Namun mereka masih berbahasa Indonesia dengan baik dan benar. Terima kasih ya
Rencana awal mereka untuk menghapus segala sesuatu berbau Indonesia gagal, karena aktivitas ekonomi mereka bergantung sama Indonesia, jadi boleh dibilang keterpaksaan dalam berbahasa Indonesia yang ternyata masih berguna hingga saat ini. Fakta lain Indonesia yang selalu mereka rendahkan justru jauh lebih membantu daripada Australia dan Portugal sebagai negara yang dipuja-puja
@@bumiku1294 itu sangat betul, bahkan TL tidak hanya masih bergantung import kebutuhan pokok saja tapi guru pengajar,maskapai penerbangan,PLN,infrastruktur dll, ini sama saja kaya tdk merdeka, coba klo masih bersama indonesia semua itu akan di berikan gratis sebagai anggaran, lepas nya timor justru membawa berkah bagi indonesia khusus nya indo timur.
@@imano9610 gimana skrng Nusa tenggara benar2 diperhatikan sm presiden skrng...mlh diproyeksikan jd bali yg ke dua., mandalika contohnya, dulu siapa yg tahu mandalika? skrng.., dunia jg tahu...
Why are a lot of the Timorese being interviewed here talking in bahasa Indonesia..? I know that a lot of them can still speak Indonesian.. but it's not their official language and they are being interviewed by a Singaporean media not Indonesian... there's really no need for them to be speaking in bahasa Indonesia for this program.. I would've thought they will be talking in Tetum or Portuguese (besides english).. or is bahasa Indonesia still being regularly used by the general population in their daily conversations..? even that young engineering fresh graduate still speak very good bahasa Indonesia, even though he was born when TL already separated from Indonesia.
Their govt attempts to eradicate all traces about Indonesia were miserably failed since they were hugely dependent with Indonesia and unable to shake off that dependency ever since.
Well, I do support TL to join asean. We are in the same region and we should help each other out. No matter rich or poor country, every country will somehow find a way to be productive sooner or later with some external help from other asean member. In my opinion, I do not want to see TL under China or US influence if they are rejected in asean because this will seriously jeopardise ASEAN national interest. Love from Singapore 🇸🇬
China is not interest in Timor leste. They are only playing US China rival and Australia's Sinophobic sentiment. China is not even interested in investing there. Timor Leste is not geographically strategic compare to Solomon Fiji and PNG
You less know about history...they never feel as Asian PEOPLES during INTEGRATION with Indonesian.... they feel as Melanesian or more close to Australia or Portuguese....you need read history more dude
They were previously never felt that they were part of Southeast Asia, only after their oil dried up now they were busy saying they were part of Southeast Asia. Last but not least, if you want ASEAN to accept them just because you don't want to see them fall under China or US influence it means that you already lost to his veiled threat.
There needs to be a probation period upon joining too. Else the other members are set to help pickup TL, hindering their own progress. 3-5years of probation. If they can't meet their promises, then they should be asked to leave.
37:56 choice number 3, join Indonesia again. But of course, this is a bitter choice for the people of Timor Leste and Indonesia. Especially for the fighters and the blood that has been shed during independence. There will be a lot of agreeing and refusing to this 3rd choice. But if you look at options number 1 or 2, choice number 3 is the best. Being on the same island, they can also speak bahasa, a similar culture especially to eastern Indonesia. Integration will be easier. Well, whatever it is. Only the time that can will be answering
I think you misunderstand the statement. It not about joining Indonesia, but in 2023 Indonesia will be Asean chairman, he hope Timor joining asean will be more likely happenning under Indonesian chairmanship.
@@edzz177 he said there are 3 option if Timor leste were rejected by asean. 1. Join US camp . 2. Join China camp and no. 3 is what? Beg Indonesia to accept them again? Ramos Horta spend 8 days going around Indonesia try to find support within Indonesia political elites. A very stupid move. Seems very desperate. Indonesia official stand support timor leste membership. They need to convince Myanmar Laos Singapore Vietnam Brunei that has been rejected them so far. Why Indonesia? Hoping Indonesia to force other countries? That is even stupider the more Indonesia push timor leste to become asean member the more other countries have rejected it thinking Indonesia has ulterior motives. Getting more voices within asean for example.
No disrespect to TL but even as Indonesian i dont want TL to rejoin us. TL was a dark history for us, its better for both of us to learn how to be neighbours instead of family.
@@HandyPardjoko234 Timur Leste masuk Asean bukan berkenaan Indonesia. Ini berkenaan untuk elakkan Timur Leste daripada dijadikan military base kepada USA/China/Australia.
We Indonesians strongly reject the plan Timor Leste to join into ASEAN, because we see that there is no political stability in that country, a bad security and education, low economy and inadequate infrastructure facilities, high poverty and are considered unable to have a positive impact and cannot provide benefits for other ASEAN countries. and Timor Leste is only seen as a burden on the team if you join ASEAN.
@@sg-ff3li yea, that's why I said in council / government. Indonesian people have split opinion regarding TL joining ASEAN, but, we all agree that the living condition in TL kinda suck
Ramos Horta is the king of denial and hallucination ? Ramos Horta said soon they will become the most advanced connectivity country in South East Asia. The cable ain't build yet but he already claim it. Remind me that he once said that Timor leste will be the Dubai of South East Asia. 😂
Hopefully TL can enter ASEAN, in present they live in a bizzare vacuum where they are neither part of South East Asia nor are they part of Australia's Oceania block
@@Driziationz Well Indonesian dont speak Dutch because we see them as Invader/Colonizer. Timorese called us Invader yet still speak our language very well, that what makes it surprising to me
I think it is very wise if Timor Leste can still speak Indonesian from an economic point of view, because it can have access to 4 neighboring countries like Indo, Malay, SG, Brunei because the Indo language about the same as malay (90% similar). rather than portuguese where the country of the speakers is far away.
@@TJorg1993 same as irish who sees british as oppressors, but they are neighboring nations like Indonesia n timles, hence they have more intense interactions, unlike netherlands which lies thousands of miles away
Jakartan sudah rojak bahasanya campur2 dgn bahasa Inggris dan slang2 baru tidak jauh beda dgn orang KL, orang daerah lebih menggunakan bahasa Indonesia standar termasuk di Timor Leste ini
It is very difficult, making development during an economic crisis with an unstable situation, plus the depleting oil reserves. Compared to Myanmar, East Timor is more stable. As an Indonesian, I support the joining of East Timor to become part of ASEAN. However this will also be a sustainable advantage for Indonesia, Timor Leste and ASEAN.
What if China buys out the East Timor government, and use it to influence ASEAN? ASEAN need to be neutral to have economic advantage. East Timor needs economic development and stable government, so they cannot be influenced by outsiders first...
"sustainable advantage for Indonesia" gimana maksud lu? Industri pariwisata mereka aja mengenaskan, Sumberdaya alam kaya minyak aja tinggal 1/10 yg tersisa. "Timor-Leste has received USD $22 billion from oil and gas, but its last producing reserve is nearly gone, and will provide less than $2 billion more". Jadi sustainable advantage gimana? Maksudlu sustainable burden? Mikir dlu, Liat dlu kondisi politik dan geopolitik TL. Liat dlu situasi ekonomi sama manajemen ekonomi negara mereka, Baru ngomong.
Hope the investors from Philippines may Come to Timor leste like SM Corp.Filinvest corp.Robinson Corp .Ayala group and Jollibee etc lets help Timor leste
@anonymous well its already did by our government starting from pasig river, manila bay, smokey mountain, giving informant settler relocation, giving vendors store and cash assistant unlike jakarta your government can't provide basic needs like water pipeline for those poor residents who live there that's why jakarta is the most fastiest sinking city in the world. 🤣🤣🤣🤮🤮🤮
@@sukarap7754 haha pasig river? 😂 is that all you have for your country? look, people* PH are very arrogant like they have become a developed country, even though from all sectors, especially your country's infrastructure is very lagging when compared to indo, it can be seen from the development of the largest digital economy in asean indo becoming number one .. and the question, is slump in Manila they also get clean water from the government like in Jakarta recently? 😂 Even Slump in manila, and the house in the village in your country is much worse than the Chicken Coop in our country LOL 😂
TL should set up a commonwealth kind of partnership with Australia instead of joining ASEAN. ASEAN has its own problems here and there that must be resolved, most of the members are developing countries which should put their resources to develop and stabilize their countries first. When TL oil and gas resource is depleted and run out in a very few years, economically TL will become a burden for ASEAN. Australia is the best choice for TL as it strongly supported TL disintegrated from Indonesia, Australia benefited a lot from TL oil and gas reserve, and for sure Australia has already been a developed and wealth country, abundant cash to aid TL.
Timor Leste being underdeveloped is not an excuse to bar it from joining. It is rather the reason for ASEAN members to support the nation up to the point that it is developed enough to join.
Timor Leste is already a part of SEA, but when we're talking about ASEAN, it's a different matter dude😅. ASEAN is an Association, it has standard to fullfill and others We, neighbouring countries already help them! It's not necessary to be part of ASEAN countries or not, we are still helping them, aren't we?
ASEAN members need to value carefully the advantages & disadvantages of Timor-Leste and few other countries becoming new ASEAN members, if not the geopolitical problem from both superpowers could creep in the region much faster.
Countries like philippines and vietnam are still anxious and under pressure on south china sea and taiwan tension economically adding more country would add pressure on adjusting
I think it would be better for ASEAN to be more self sufficient adding more its neighbors. And hoping that in the future ASEAN can have its own currency.
Impossible. If ASEAN common currency is happened then countries that relies on weak currency to boost their exports and push their living cost as low as possible like Indonesia will be badly affected. Also, it also means that ASEAN members must change their constitution. I'm sure many in ASEAN would overwhelmingly reject that common currency idea.
the colonial history is very thing that shaped most of ASEAN, and it is unfortunate for Timor Leste, really hope the best for Timor Leste, as Indonesian I hope that our countries reconciled and focus to bring prosperity to both countries. It is heartbreaking to hear that they only have 2 choices if denied in ASEAN, US or China, it is the same as selling your country to them, moving from colonialism to neo-colonialism. Timor Leste should be more active in swaying ASEAN so that their citizens get the benefits not only status as ASEAN, acknowledge that the government is aging, don't rely to the old political party, send the youths to ASEAN to study politics in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and pull them to be a minister in the executive cabinet and legislative seat, reform the legislation and always be as strict as possible about corruption.
Ramos Horta, in an interview with CNN, 1999: "For generations, East Timorese will not want to hear anything about Indonesia. And joining ASEAN is very far [down] my list of priorities."
It's ridiculous, East Timor Hates Indonesia, but economically it depends on Indonesia.
East Timor thought that Indonesia was a Colony, but after East Timor became independent, They wanted to enter ASEAN through Indonesia!!
Dan konyolnya mereka menghina dan membenci Indonesia sebagai penjajah tapi mencintai portugal bahkan dijadikan bahasa negara
Kayaknya udh tone down kok bro..., Ramos Horta udh ndak "koar2" lagi seperti awal2 thn 2000. Interview ama Najwa aja keliatan + ada beberapa org Indo yg touring kesana baek kok penerimaan masyarakat sananya.
@@akbaryoviestian2301 sudah jadi pakem baku, negara bekas koloni Hispanik (Spanyol dan Portugal) pasti bahasa nasionalnya ya bahasa Hispanik.
Contoh: Filipina make bahasa Spanyol.
Macau make bahasa Portugis
Brazil make bahasa Portugis.
Mexico make bahasa Spanyol.
@@akbaryoviestian2301 Udah ga ada org TL yg benci org Indonesia kecuali mereka2 generasi tua yg ikut perang. Namanya jg perang. Ga akan semudah itu bisa dihapus di pikiran. Sebaliknya, generasi baru TL justri sangat eager buat membuka relasi dg negara2 tetangganya termasuk Indonesia.
East Timor does not hate any country. And besides, the cost of rejecting Timor way surpasses the cost of letting it in. Having a Chinese satellite near Australia and Indonesia is probably a political cost the asean should consider… just saying
Australia supported East Timor Independence, So they should support them Economically...ASEAN is already lagging for economic integration due to Laos and Myanmar... What does East Timor bring in to the table? With limited resources and dwindling oil and gas production 🤷🏻♂️
Their oil is predicted to run out in 2023, while the economy of Timor Leste is 90% dependent on oil. If the oil runs out, I'm sure Australia won't care anymore, that's why Timor Leste hastily wants to join Asean in order to gain access to global markets in Asean.
@@CalonDosen25 That's also why the ASEAN is hard to accept them yet. I think the first think they should do is lessen their dependency on oil furthermore it's known that it will run out in 2033. They have to make sure that their development and economic will doing fine after 2033 even without oil.
@@fritzasong that is the sole reason to liberate timor leste, for that sweet oil. Now that the oil is almost run out, they abandon the dried field.
You got that wrong Australia supported East Timor independence, they also robbed them of their natural resources as compensation. Ironically now they're relying on Indonesian export to survive, the one they stabbed on the back. Even now Indonesia supported them to join ASEAN probably out of business cooperation or even out of pity which is not surprising. They definitely should've found a way to force Australia the same or even more support as Indonesia to give em influence for joining ASEAN.
@@dalian-9114 no, Indonesia supporting Timor Leste because we don't want Timor Leste became west / china puppet and bring it's conflit to sea region
It's really funny because the country who actually really doesn't want Timor Leste become the part of ASEAN make a news about is Timor Leste on track to join ASEAN.
But you can see behind the message of the documentary basically explains why Singapore do not want to accept Timor Leste.
Media is not always in the same board with its government
@@happyfeet5229 this is government funded media by the way. It definitely inline with its government dissaproval of timor leste joining asean.
@@happyfeet5229Well yes if the media is private media but you must remember this is state owned media channel. So of course this media and the government is on the same page.
To make sure people know that Timor Leste is not wanted.
There is no visible benefit for letting timor leste joining ASEAN especially given Australia is the one hell bent separating timor leste from indonesia to churn that sweet oil money, but now that the oil is no longer as abundant. They abandon timor leste and timor leste somehow feel entitle to seek help from ASEAN after their bad break up with Australia, like they truly just look too high in the sky that they don't even know the condition of the ground they step on.
Their oil is predicted to run out in 2023, while the economy of Timor Leste is 90% dependent on oil. If the oil runs out, I'm sure Australia won't care anymore, that's why Timor Leste hastily wants to join Asean in order to gain access to global markets in Asean.
This is very well said.
@@CalonDosen25 correct me if i'm wrong because I'm pretty sure that oil is their sole valuable export commodity that is hard to replicate by other countries (unlike farm product such as coffe, tea, meat, milk, etc).
So once they run out of oil, there is really no viable trade benefit to be earn from timor leste that is significant enough to take the risk of inccuring 2nd myanmar (down the line).
So from my amateur political perspective, the only one benefit from this suppose membership is timor leste and they are desperately require that benefit which is why they even utter a threat such as "we either will join US or China".
While indeed such threat is highly probable (due to timor leste location), but it is not high enough risk for ASEAN members (except indonesia) to suffer significant consequence of such alliance (if it does happen) which is why I doubt the ASEAN will let them join anytime soon (while myanmar still in turmoil).
Australia also supported Indonesia's invasion and occupation of East Timor, at least in the beginning.
@@oviiembem6302in the scenario where timor leste joining china be it in economy or more realistically military (as a military post) it will most likely to fail too. We can already see the results of economic dependency to china in sri Lanka not to mention the sharp decline in China's economic growth at the moment facing irreparable decline in birth rate. As to military, it will only give NATO, EUROPE, or even just Australia and the US more then enough reason to make a strong military alliance with ASEAN countries that will hugely benefits ASEAN as a whole.
ask Portugal & Australia to help, ASEAN still has many members who have problems, like in Myanmar it has been more than 1 year and there is no solution , If Timor Leste joins it will become an economic burden, only Singapore which is the highest economy Singapore is also the most vehement refusal to join Timor Leste to ASEAN. other countries are confused with the problem of rising prices and tensions in Taiwan
Yes Right... I Agree with u Kenata 👍
Agree
I'm agree!!
Timor-Leste will join ASEAN when Indonesia chairs in 2023. 🇧🇳 🇰🇭 🇮🇩 🇱🇦 🇲🇾 🇲🇲 🇵🇭 🇸🇬 🇹🇭 🇹🇱 🇻🇳
@@timorleste9831 will never. Tell to your countrymen who always spread the hatred toward Indonesia
Once upon a time in a galaxy far, far, away....
Cambodia before joining ASEAN: Can I join ASEAN ? If not, I'll joint China.
Vietnam & the rest: We can't let Cambodia joins China. We should let them in.
Cambodia after joining ASEAN: Thanks. Now I can join China & can vote to block ASEAN agenda.
Today...
TL before joining ASEAN: Can I join ASEAN ? If not, I'll join US, China, Australia, & the Klingon.
Indonesia & the rest: We can't let TL joins the Klingon. We should let them in.
TL after joining ASEAN: Thanks. Now we can join the Klingon & can vote to block EARTH agenda.
lol
Nice analyst🤣
Ha ha putus asa ni TL
It's a fact when jesus himself said it.
Why is this so accurate 😆
Timor Leste must build the state stable and mature with strong constitutions. If not, It is impossible to be admitted into the ASEAN. Myanmar is the worst case for ASEAN now, Cambodia is ready to sell its regional interests to China. What will happen if China buys the Timor Leste government and exports its agenda to the ASEAN organization?
Looks like, Timor Leste will playing China or USA side card as their main commodity for ASEAN. So, just let them still play outside
@@bumiku1294 No, sooner or later, We should allow Timor to join but only when the relation between Timors with other Southeast Asian countries is strong enough and necessary enough to make ASEAN move forward. If not, Timor will be huge burden for ASEAN organization. Timor Leste are closer it's relation with Austrilia, not with any of the Southeast Asian countries.
@@ThienHoang-tr3dh Even australia has dump them since the timor gap scandal were exposed.
joke aside Timor itself seem to be best functional democracy in this region for now due to Indonesia have some kind of little authoritarian so their problem will be about economic development PS in the term of major investor o it is between china and Australia and in term of strength and integrity really rely on internal politic of ASEAN major founding member that only Indonesia only country that have stable and have certain stance about ASEAN when others like Thailand and Malaysia politic still be some kind of chaos for now and Philippines is in tense dilemma of their standpoint so ASEAN can be more certain after Thailand and Malaysia general election result in next years.
@@p_1945 Yeah sure Indonesia democracy outlook become authoritarian by Timor Leste people, even compare all others ASEAN country there is no good enough for you and all the best belong to Timor Leste 😂 honestly I got bored with your Xanana, Ramos Horta, etc They are same people since 20 years ago. Does it call as status quo ?
I disagree with the idea of ASEAN accepting Timor Leste.. ASEAN itself already have so many issues, please fixed it first
Risking TL become puppet state of China ?? We should accept TL long time ago!
If they side with China/US then ASEAN security will be threatened
there will always be many issues and will never be able to solve them all. but I agree not to include East Timor in ASEAN
Yep! th-cam.com/video/p6uzcWzIPL8/w-d-xo.html
Who are you to deny them from joining the ASEAN?🙄
Menjadi negara merdeka bukan hanya sekedar soal gagah-gagahan bisa kibar bendera sendiri, bisa punya timnas sendiri yg setara dengan Negara Induk,
Merdeka artinya kita mengambil alih 💯 persen tanggungjawab, jadi buat provinsi lain yg koar-koar soal separatisme, mending dipikirkan lagi baik-baik.
Semiskin-miskinnya provinsi di Indonesia setidaknya mereka dapat dana segar dari pendapatan provinsi ya kaya di daerah lain,
Misalnya nih ya, kalau Bengkulu tidak punya pendapatan daerah yg cukup pun PAD DKI Jakarta bisa kasih tambal kekurangan itu, Gempa di Sulawesi Tengah maka satu Indonesia bakal menggalang dana buat bangun lagi itu kota Palu, simpang kota di Aceh sampai kota Jayapura bakalan ngumpulin sumbangan donasi buat bantu.
Tidak ada sekolah bagus di Kalimantan bisa pergi ke Jawa, tidak ada sekolah bagus di NTT bisa pergi kuliah ke Sumatera tanpa halangan tanpa sekatan yg rumit.
Tidak ada pekerjaan di Maluku, maka bisa merantau ke Jakarta/Tangerang dll
Tapi kalau merdeka jadi Negara Berdaulat sendiri, semua hal itu jadi tanggung jawab diri sendiri, semua hal menjadi lebih rumit dan sulit,
makanya buat daerah lain yg terlintas buat ingin memerdekakan diri, saya cuma mau bilang, pikirkan lagi baik buruknya, untung sama mudaratnya apa.
Benar sekali sahabat
debatable sih yg jadi masalah indonesia karena politiknya yg unitary klo ga bisa tanggung jawab bakalan super malu karena emg dari awal kita gagah2an ke belanda solusi biasanya suka nyalahin org luar atau konspirasi, klo federasi seperti malaysia gampang diurus, papua semisal merdeka bukan cuma masalah identitas tapi hal lain yg kita ga paham atau ga mau tau seperti dekolonisasi belanda, dan masalah lain, timor leste itu kan bukan bekas jajahan inggris jadi australia bantu juga ga bisa sepenuhnya karena aus itu anglosphere, meskipun mereka terpisah, liat aja skrg pas lagi susah negara barat gabung sesuai dasarnya, emg mentalitasnya gitu.
Bener sekali saudara, Knpa mau jdi negara kecil klo bisa jdi Negara Besar. Ambil contoh Pulau Sumatra yg luasnya lbih luas dri seluruh Negara Jepang, kurang besar apa lgi coba potensi Indonesia itu.
"mudharatnya apa?"
Dari pandangan orang Timur Leste:
-Timtim dianeksasi, gk ada dasarnya TimTim masuk ke indo apalagi dulu jajahan portugis bukan belanda, beda sama papua barat
-kejadian santa cruz, dibangunin daerahnya aja nggak cuma buat ribut sendiri
Dari pandangan Pemerintah reformasi:
- Aneksasi gk ada dasar = penjajahan = tidak sesuai dengan UUD '45
- Hubungan Internasional gk jadi jelek
- Menghindari risiko ketidakstabilan di kawasan ASEAN, apalagi kondisinya krismon
@@hilmyzulfikar9243 tapi jangan lupa
Indonesia masuk ke Timor Leste juga karena ketika mereka perang saudara (Fretilin - UDT - Apodeti) salah satu dari mereka secara terang-terangan mendukung integrasi dengan Indonesia, dan hal ini faktor kuat dari luar juga
Semisal juga salah satu dari mereka tidak ada yang berpandangan integrasi dengan Indonesia, ya saya kira Indonesia juga tidak akan ikut campur
Australia the one who should help them, not us.
That true what about Portugal
@@amarhadjimurad2363 Yes Portugal too
Portugal
Timor-Leste will join ASEAN when Indonesia chairs in 2023. 🇧🇳 🇰🇭 🇮🇩 🇱🇦 🇲🇾 🇲🇲 🇵🇭 🇸🇬 🇹🇭 🇹🇱 🇻🇳
@@timorleste9831 Indonesia afraid more ASEAN country depending on WEST or China that lastly affecting ASEAN.
Their oil is predicted to run out in 2023, while the economy of Timor Leste is 90% dependent on oil. If the oil runs out, I'm sure Australia won't care anymore, that's why Timor Leste hastily wants to join Asean in order to gain access to global markets in Asean.
There story sounds fishy. You said oil? Where is all the money going?
@@CHMichael useless infrastructure projects, like making a highway in country of population just 1,5 million people and other stuff
@@CHMichael Infrastructure, tourism, public health, education, subsidies
*edit: One more thing, pay debt to china
@@CalonDosen25 that sounds not so bad. Let's hope it's the Saudi and not the African way.
@@CHMichael They were still sunk with their own pride for their govt ability to sink their life with lots of subsidies and extravagant infrastructure projects that were highly not nessecary for a country with 1,5 milion population + few thousand foreign tourists per year.
I think Timor Leste needs to be more careful about joining such a big block. The fear is that Major manufacturing hubs like Vietnam, Indonesia, would flood the market with cheap goods stifling local competition. Timing is key I guess. Build up a stronger local foundation first.
Timor Leste already dependant on Indonesian export. vehicle, electronics, food etc most of them are from Indonesia
They're already dependent on Indonesia and China exports. I believe it would take a miracle to create strong local foundation.
That's exactly what's happening
even internet provider
Tbh they don't have anything to offer. One of the reason they beg to join ASEAN in hope other members will support their economy
ASEAN should have some parameters to bring the existing members like Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia at par with Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand in economics before admitting more members.
Wheres the Philippines? ☹️
@@random-accessmemory9201 Relax... he didnt mention Vietnam or Brunei either
@@marktan8074 ikr
There are only 6 giants in ASEAN. PH, VT, TH, SG, MY, ID. Brunei is rich but it is not an open oriented economy. If we sideline Cambodia, Myanmar and Laos, we risk making them more isolated to the world. Hence ASEAN should be strengthen to help the other 3 to become at par with the rest.
Myanmar : the biggest challenge is political turmoil.
Laos : landlocked country tend to be less competitive unless it is to change its status to be a tax heaven.
Cambodia : they use USD as formal currency making trade with the rest of ASEAN slightly expensive. Cambodia should use Riel, strengthen its national currency and start manufacturing.
Henry Kissinger bombed Laos and Cambodia. International court won't be arresting him anytime soon. Also US and Britain owed Vietnam and Malaysia hospital bills and disabled childcare bills for gassing them with Agent Orange. Some children are still born with deformities until today.
For me TL is just not ready. We already have problem in Myanmar, and then 2 poor countries like Laos & Cambodia has fallen deeply into China's grip. Can TL make sure that they country won't be the same in the future when they get into ASEAN?
And also they need to raising up their national economy first and also lift up the people from the unemployment.
And also as long as I remember when they separate from Indonesia they doesn't want to be classified as "Asian", so why bother?
And PNG? Oh god, that country is 180 degrees even worse than TL with the tribal war, domestic abuses, and high crime rates in there. I can understand if Indonesia invites TL even thou' from my vision they are even far from "capable" like other ASEAN Nations, but PNG? Seriously? I agree with Singapore this time, their vision is realistic. I mean when Timor has run out of oil, what can they offer back to other ASEAN nations? I see this move from TL just to get a donation from a ASEAN organization and capable ASEAN nations such as Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam (probably), Philipphines, and Singapore (which is the country who in-charge as ASEAN's central exchequer).
Not only that, beside the unstability in the TL's economy, TL also has very unstable politics. The country that only depended from oil revenue and will run out in the near future and adding with the very unstable politic and also no any effective policy from the TL itself to push up their economy in other sectors, can you imagine that when they get into ASEAN? So when their country broke up with the civil war & kudeta who will get the direct burden? Of course Indonesia since ASEAN has a free tourism visas, they most likely to use it to flee from their country. We don't mind a refugee, and of course TL and Indonesia still "serumpun" (has a connection of culture, religion, language, and race) but if the refugee is kinda a**h*le as Rohingya (as most Malaysian describe them) of course Indonesia get burdened.
So far Indonesia has helping TL too many times, just because we don't want any politics and economies crisis in our doorstep that can effecting Indonesia directly. And of course we don't want China's grip over TL in the future (which is neither Indonesia & Australia want to have another potential Cuba in our doorstep).
As Indonesian, we dont talk very much about TL anymore. TL was blinded when they discover oil in the area and want independence. A country with too much oil dependency is a bad prospect
Asking Indonesia help after stabbing it...why not ask their so called friend Australia.
Rather unsurprising should TL sold herself to PRC, by granting PRC permission to build PLA's military base somewhere within her territory..
And rented it for say 99 years ...
@Kharisma Agung Prayoga TL gonna doing it, without Australia nor America permission... besides for TL, she already living in injury time, and desperate time justifies desperate measures...
so TL can do whatever it is need to be done in order to keep her boat floating...
if by siding with PRC gonna keep her afloat for say another 99 years.. and able to keep her subject's stomach fully feed, thus keep them happy, and that means whoever ruling over them is an okayish.. so be it ...
something that both Aus nor USA could not or would not care...
@@dureteheiral1793 Very ignorant statements. I can say the Australian military and government is VERY worried about Timor. The last thing they want is a failed state of over a million people who have no jobs, money or future on its doorstep.
One day, ASEAN will be a powerful force to reckon with. Proud ASEAN.
We need to stick together to counter that country to the north.
great glory ASEAN
greet from indonesia 🇮🇩
walk together, grow together, be strong together
Yeah but without timorleste i agree
YES! Go ASEAN!
Kenapa timor leste tidak minta tolong kepada portugal dan australia??
Mm.. pertanyaan ini diibaratkan seperti kamu punya tetangga yg miskin dan susah, akhirnya kamu kasih modal walaupun sedikit, tapi uangnya habis aja buat kebutuhan makan mereka, karena tetangga ini pun tidak bekerja, masa kamu mau suapin tiap hari? yang benar seharusnya si tetangga ini cari pekerjaan & bekerja. Nah sekarang mereka mencoba apply ke Asean berharap akan banyak investor Asean yg masuk ke sana
Timor-Leste will join ASEAN when Indonesia chairs in 2023. 🇧🇳 🇰🇭 🇮🇩 🇱🇦 🇲🇾 🇲🇲 🇵🇭 🇸🇬 🇹🇭 🇹🇱 🇻🇳
@@timorleste9831 You wished for independence, we respected and granted your people's wish through the referendum. Now be STRONG AND INDEPENDENT! and pls don't ask Indonesia help is you guys who want to be independent be INDEPENDENT! we ASEAN have enough problem we don't need more problem.
Batu sih bantu tpi klo ada yg dekat kek asean yh kenapa tdk, dgn masuk asean perekonomian daerahnya perlahan meningkat, banyak infestor asing masuk n buka lapangan pekerjaan
E bicara pake bahasa ingris ng sekolah ya loh
I'm a filipino and i see timor leste and it's people as a brother but, you can't let your brother join your basketball team when your brother doesn't even know how to play basketball and just says that they will be great in basketball someday.
asean nations help each other grow their country economically. every member state has a role to play and gives something to the table at the same time takes also something from the table which in turn is a symbiotic relationship but if timor leste would join asean just to grow it's own economy and take from other member states w/o giving anything to the table which in turn hurt other asean members and does not help any other asean member then this is not the time to join. the government of timor leste should step up and make timor leste a contributor state wherein asean member states will benefit from it's membership at the same time timor leste will grow too as a result economically.
this is just my two cents, i don't have any issues with timor leste or it's people but their govmnt needs to step up and make their country a significant contributing factor in south east asia. so if timor leste is already a significant contributor in SEA which would mean it's membership would give mutual growth to asean nations from it's membership then by all means! when that time comes let them join!
but if timor leste will alow it self to be a puppet of china to make a wedge over asean nations then definitely no.
Addition to your last sentences, if Timor Leste becomes a puppet of either China or USA. Well it's sucks.
China only care about influence and show off, USA only care about new base in SEA region. Well idk if USA senate can afford to pass additional expenditure to build and maintain the base as the current economic turmoil in home countries is bad. Well idk if China central government can afford to expend any finance as it's home condition is bad enough with financial collapse
Good statement, better to order timlet not to play the game!
then i guess our poor brother like laos, myanmar cambodia needed to be kicked out from asean then🤔
I get the sentiment, but as Ramos-Horta said in the video, if they can't join ASEAN, for whatever reasons, then East Timor would basically be left with two choices: Either they cozy up to the US and be a US outpost (unlikely, since the US already has Australia nearby), or they cozy up to China and be a Chinese outpost (very likely, since East Timor is not only VERY close to Australia, but also shares a land border with Indonesia).
By letting them in, we (hopefully) prevent them from being a pawn of either.
On the bright side though, they only have around 1 mil or so people. I think more than Brunei, but not by much. If push comes to shove, Indo and Vietnam can just pump cheap rice into their country.
It's tough situation,
Timor leste aren't qualified to become asean member, but we cant allow them to become us or china military base. If that thing happen, the stability on the region will gonna be fucked.
You wished for independence, we respected and granted your people's wish through the referendum. Now be STRONG AND INDEPENDENT!
Ini sebenarnya mereka ingin menjadi bagian Indonesia lagi, tapi dengan cara lain wkwkwk.
Saya sangat merasa kasian, sama orang RAS TERTINGGI ASEAN.
Kan mereka dulu ngaku bukan orang Melayu / Asian atau semacamnya, mereka adalah Kaukasiannya Asean
Be strong on your own feet Timor Leste! Talk less do more now
@@INDONESIABUBAR2030BYSPIZYDORI Bener mereka gak pernah ngaku jadi orang Asia, sekarang mereka merengek minta masuk ASEAN, miriss....
@@INDONESIABUBAR2030BYSPIZYDORI they are portuegese not not just "poor" asian as they dream😂 after getting f by portuegese and later by australia now they want to become asian back😂😂😂
no country is independent.
even england import oil from saudi.
europe import gas from rusia.
indonesia import grain from ukraine.
the best way to describe timor today is..not mutually benefit.
asean member also not independent to each other. but they exchange the trade and the commodity, and give mutual benefit to each other.
this "muttual benefit" capability, is the thing that timor does not have today.
There is particular pressure from Laos to admit Timor-Leste into Asean so there will be a new poorest country in the block other than Laos
Lmfao 🤣🤣🤣
I see where its going
Myanmar is also catching up on that list lmao
@@budisoemantri2303 they actually already have the lowest gdp per capita in all of ASEAN.
lol lowest gdp per capita is myanmar not laos
Asean as a regional intergovernmental organization , there are still many shortcomings and weaknesses , can not help solve problems in Myanmar , less compact and solid fellow members , fellow members have problems with each other such as cultural claims , borders , extradition etc. . the economic inequality of each member is very high , it has little role in world politics . As if it still belongs to the powers of developed countries, Asean must be strong, united and solid like the European Union.
ASEAN is still a long way to being like the EU but I think it may be possible in our life time
Why ASEAN must help Myanmar if their basic rules is not intervene internal problem of their countries member
ASEAN was not designed to be like the EU. And look at the EU, strong is not the best word to describe it (hint: Brexit, and probably Grexit, Nexit...).
@@nathannataatmadja3349 I agree that the EU has its own problems, but Germany will sink with the ship. They are the strongest EU country at this point, and leaving would be catastrophic. They'll add member states due to Russia.
No intervening internal issues for ASEAN. But it has come to a point that other nations have to accept the refugees from Myanmar, be it Rohingya or Burmese, both are on standpoint because they cannot be returned to the murderous Myanmar military junta.
Since economy is also affected, perhaps using airforce intervention is eventually cheaper than the refugee crisis.
In short, timor leste is very far from ready. They will only present themselves as a very big burden to ASEAN, especially when their oil has been completely dried up by Australia
It is only your opinion, you have no data 🤭🤣
@@amorsemlimite4427 watch the video all Singaporean academics and think tank said the same thing.
Once timor leste become asean member it will be the group responsibility for Timor leste conflict and bankruptcy.. Indonesia and Australia would be happy. But Singapore is certainly not.
@@DaengKulle795 🤣🤣🤣🤣opinions are opinions, very much difference when you have valid data. I have visited some ASEAN countries except Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia and it gave me very deep understanding how people in this region live.
@@amorsemlimite4427 and what understanding is that? Asian humility? Something that your portuguese descent elite leaders would never get.
@@DaengKulle795 You just want to know or desperately want to know more🤭🤣
A New member is not needed, even an additional player is not required. The Band = 10 Period.
Unless they were economically stable and developed, then them joining ASEAN only brings negativity. Its like 3rd world Ukraine joining EU and EU thinking that its a good thing
Indonesia still has problems in some areas, especially in the eastern part. There are still very few job opportunities. If Timor Leste joins ASEAN, the country that will be the first to be affected is Indonesia. The very high unemployment rate in Timor Leste will pose a serious threat to our brothers and sisters in the eastern part of Indonesia. So it is better for Indonesia to wait until Timor Leste can stand alone and stabilize the country's political and economic conditions.
Yep thats what hard with asean countries is its most members are island nation which is really hard to develop some parts will and will lag behind.
True indeed, and you should see the investigation brought by najwa sihab via narasi newsroom. There is much of hidden corruption inside the government especially in mining and oil industry. Their economic sustainability is bad by relying heavily on oil sector. Once it's gone you know we will face the next Venezuela of SEA.
@@T1murr *Timles ngaku2 org indo wkwk*
Wait until TL can stand alone? We both know that will be never.
@@T1murr not that great?
ASEAN still has a tough job to do to improve the economy and welfare of several member countries such as Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar etc. ! Don't be forced to accept membership of a country categorized as one of 10 poor countries by UNDP report of 2021 like Timor Leste. Firmly rejection of Singapore and other Asean members of Timor Leste's application to become an Asean member must still be strongly supported ! until there is an increase in the welfare of the 10 Asean member countries ! No negotiation for this matter !
Honestly as an Indonesian i dont mind TL to join ASEAN.
Edit: but i do have concern because watching this i came to conclusion that the reason why TL want to join ASEAN is because they need us, while i still have no idea about what can they give to us in return??
Also at 40:21 why are you trying to hide the truth? The true reason why TL oil have been dwendling is because Australia have been sucking their oil dry. Even TL have admitted it as they brought this matter to the International Court.
I wish Timor Leste gonna be unseen and unheard like Portugal for Indonesia
They need a lot of back up plans, they need more brains on their government not only politicians. If this keep going they'll wouldn't last 2050. The point is they are in hurry for their lives.
LOL.. Ramos Horta in 1999 literally said "We don't need Indonesia" & "Our country will become rich just like Dubai".. And now you beg Indonesia to approve you join ASEAN.. Lame
Shtup
26:07 Did you ask to join ASEAN, your honorable? Then, you criticized the governments of ASEAN. No wonder your application to join ASEAN become a limbo.
38:08 Two easy options: become part of sphere of influence of either USA or China? As simple as that? Are your sure?
Semudah itu seorang presiden mengatakannya,seperti tak punya pilihan lain dan mengorbankan kedaulatannya untuk mengancam stabilitas kawasan.
Mereka seperti tak siap bernegara,menganggap penggadaian kedaulatan seperti menjadi gagasan yg sederhana,gk habis pikir saya.
@@kenarok9596 Dia memang tak punya pilihan. Sumber daya apa yang mau ditawarkan? 😒
@@danuaditya642 kemerdekaan semu.
That’s true, be communists If they want to, like no one cares.
In your minute mark I don't see they talking about the option? I'm confused
They should join EU, Portugal is in there. Or Australia's pacific puppet club.
Beruntung timor leste di sisi lain merka gabun nenegra berbhasa Portuguese dan aksen pasar eropa dan sisi lain merka masuk asea. Mk mereka juga inkut pasar asean jadi negra merka untung aksesn masuk eropa free visa kerja maupun sekola free bagusnya timor leste
And then bring it's conflict to sea region?, it's more safe to join asean so they can access both market (west & China) and bring zero / minimal conflit with it
@@denyandre1516 kalian saja masih miskin dan bodoh berbahasa portu 🤣
It's more realistic for them to become Indonesian regency, the idea of Timor state is failure concept since beginning, Soeharto was right
Join asean and be our puppet
Currently, there is a period of injury time and potential chaos for TL, it is estimated that in 2023 oil and gas as economic supports will dry up, plus the low export value, high unemployment rate.. Indonesia strongly supports TL joining.. there are several countries that have not agreed and Indonesia cannot dictate all members agree..
Indonesia will force all members to agree
All asean member need us
What's the point of Timor Leste joining in. ASEAN barely have any meaningful interconnectivity beyond ease of access for tourism that will meaningfully help TL. Meanwhile, if we want to expand the partnership further in economy and defense, bringing in a country poorer than Laos will not speed things up.
@@lolipedofin TL must prove themselves first before entering Asean...what they can contribute instead being a burden..
@@AlfataProject165Indonesia wouldn't, Indonesia respecting all ASEAN especially ASEAN founders country
@@bumiku1294 seperti kalau kita mengajukan proposal
pasti akan dijawab, "kami akan bahas dulu ya" atau " kami tampung dulu ya"
ketika tdk ada kabar dan kita kembali bertanya, kok blm ada khabar, kok lama hasilnya
dan di jawab, "karena keputusan berdasarkan konsensus bbrp manager" besar kemungkinan itu artinya DITOLAK
bahasa resminya adalah BELUM SAATNYA
bahasa lugasnya adalah TIDAK SEMUDAH ITU FERGUSSO
cmiiw
I remember back then, many TL supporters used to say that Timor Leste would be the isra*l of Southeast Asia, LOL😂. More like Zimbabwe of SEA.
Saya kira rakyat Timor Leste sudah lupa dengan bahasa Indonesia dan menggantinya dengan bahasa Portuguese rupanya mereka masih bisa berbicara dengan lancar.
Salam penuh do'a dan cinta dari saudaramu Timor Barat.
Anak muda timor leste kelahiran paska kemerdekaan lebih open minded dan banyak terekspos dengan dunia intertainment Indonesia, tendesi anti Indonesia lebih minimal di generasi ini
@@ahmadin5681 Masih cukup tinggi tendensinya. Mereka masih menanggap kita 'penjajah'.
@@ignatiusryd2031 memang sudah seharusnya kita memperbaiki sejarah dengan meminta maaf,seperti halnya Belanda kemaren.
@@ignatiusryd2031 ya jelas apa yang terjadi di Timor Leste seperti pembantaian Santa Cruz dan lain lain indonesia sudah pasti bakal di cap penjajah
@@kenarok9596 kita gak salah dan gk ngapa2 in kok minta maaf
Still depends on Indonesia although free country.
An insightful and well-balanced documentary. Well done CNA.
It's tough, and must been really hard for the people for now i will just wish the best for Timor Leste, greetings from your neighbor Indonesia 🇮🇩
42:57 If Timor Leste not join ASEAN, Timor Leste only had One option. There're no two options. They will join China. As they wanted since 1975. And that one of the caused problem of invasion. History repeat itself. The old generations must go. Then Timor Leste could join ASEAN.
Standard of ASEAN to onboard new member is getting higher because of pandemic induced trouble in economies of asean member state adding the ongoing issue of Myanmar and Chinese influence in Laos and Cambodian parliament BUT if Timor Leste accepted it will be a huge benefit to Timor in terms of economic development and people cooperation. Timor is new and population is small then Asean membership will of great help to uplift Timorese future.
Huge benefit for them but huge burden to ASEAN
@@ignatiusryd2031 And yet why don't you see Myanmar junta (which caused refugee crisis), Laos and Cambodia (which support Nine Dash Lines of China instead of their brothers position in ASEAN) as a huge burden for ASEAN?
@@MacrohardOnfireExcelSuite Perhaps you have no idea that the current civil war in Myanmar already gave ASEAN lots of headache to the point where ASEAN in unison were decide to openly condemning and isolating Myanmar from ASEAN. Secondly, eventough Cambodia and Laos are not in line with ASEAN core members like Indonesia + Thailand + Malaysia + Singapore + Philippines in terms of 9 dash line dispute with China, its more than obvious that those two do able to kept their pace to match the economic growth and the minimum ASEAN standards that were applied on its more powerful ASEAN neighbours.
On the other hand, TL still need tons of catching up, unfortunately their pocket were bleeding very furiously because their leaders are absolutely clueless in terms of how to manage a country and to attract foreign investors. The only thing they know now is spending money on tons of extravagant + useless infrastructure projects that still unable to gave TL any incomes.
Myanmar in verge get kicked if All member vote, only Thailand lile Junta Myanmar
ASEAN has no mechanism or system to help members in economic trouble, so how can it burden ASEAN? It is just a loosely held organization. There are not much obligations or rights that you get by joining ASEAN. They designed ASEAN that way. East Timor joining ASEAN won't give much burden to ASEAN because there is no burden sharing in ASEAN. There are benefit for ASEAN and East Timor. For ASEAN, one more new member meant the organization is bigger and more influential. For East Timor, it has more political standing, especially when dealing with Australia that regularly bullying East Timor.
I hope CNA can make a full comparation between East Nusa Tenggara province (one of the poorest province in Indonesia) and Timor Leste, so separatist group such as OPM in West Papua, can learn from it 😀
OPM is secretly sponsored by Australia, since they are eager to fully extract all the Papua resources while giving them nothing in return, just like they did with TLE. Australia gave refugee status to Veronika Koman who is pro OPM.
East Timor: we are working on being more presentable to be accepted into asean since some member states have some reservations about us.
East Timor: *Politically corrupt
As if the other ASEAN states don't have major corruption issues. Philippines, Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos...
They're not the only one that's politically corrupt in SEA though. As a matter of fact, the only country here that's not politically corrupt is SIngapore (and even they still make some questionable decisions from time to time). It's not a deterrent to enter ASEAN.
The primary factor would be the combination of their small size, low HDI, and mediocre natural resources. There are already two smol countries in ASEAN - Singapore and Brunei. Singapore is a global leader in HDI, and Brunei is blessed with abundant oil reserves. Timor has some oil, sure, but it pales in comparison to Brunei or Malaysia.
That, and the way they flip-flopped on the Myanmar issue. Can't imagine the ASEAN Five being too happy about it...
"We are caucasian of the east" & "Who want to join a bankrupt nation?" -Ramos Horta 2002
"Indonesia is our partners, brothers, Sukarno is great, I like jokowi" - Nobody 2022
That guy become nobody on 2022 so sad 😢
Hahahaha...
i would suggest a new road for TL, try to do small thing first, like a pact with a certain country to get hitch on for a ride, may be like Philipine, Indonesia or Singapore, or better yet in recent year Vietnam, where logistic are currently buzzing. Try to boost your economy first, stabilize your country and then u can start talking about bigger thing. Not all country got their independence handed on a silver plate, take that in mind. Be strong, be independence. You are too young to be rushing.
PS: even if u can join, what can u even offer right now and a hundred years to come? Sometime, deny is respect in the facce of a pity relationship, to each their own.
Unfortunately after Timor was given their independence on a silver plate, the criminal Indonesian invaded and they had to fight for their current independence.
To be honest, the moment Timor Leste joins it’d probably become harder for ASEAN to achieve economic and regional integration compared to before.
Been rooting for this country ever since SEAGames 2019....All the best Timor Leste...
Ya, kita tau ASEAN adalah kawasan yang relatif stabil di tengah kekacauan dunia. Ekonomi yang konsisten tumbuh dan perkembangan teknologi yang pesat. Bergabung ke ASEAN jelas akan memberikan banyak manfaat bagi Timor Leste. Tapi, apakah Timles mampu mengejar ketertinggalan?
Indonesia akan selalu mendorong Timor Leste untuk bergabung dengan ASEAN. Indonesia juga sudah banyak berinvestasi dan membuka usaha di Timor Leste agar lapangan pekerjaan terbuka. Tapi juga dibutuhkan kemauan dari pemimpin politik Timor Leste untuk berkomitmen membangun dg maksimal dong. Kekacauan parlemen gk bisa terus terjadi. Rakyat mrk yg jadi korbannya. Tabungan negara yg ada bisa dipakai untuk mengembangkan ekonomi lewat BUMN. Jgn hanya dihamburkan untuk infrastruktur mubazir.
infrastruktur itu penting. sangat penting... gimana mungkin bangun pabrik tapi gak ada akses jalan nya, dan pelabuhan nya...??
Gimana mungkin anak2 bisa sekolah/belajar klo gak ada gedung nya, listrik nya, internet nya, dll..??
Pembangunan infras itu tidak mubazir.
@@kudajingkrak4919 betul tapi yg dibilang komen diatas itu ga salah juga tentang stabilitas politik, politik timles harus lebih dewasa, harus punya kepekaan untuk bangsa nya gabisa ribut terus menerus seperti itu.
@@bimantaraadityanugraha Yeah.. politics is sucks.
Kurang lebih sama lah dgn disini, rakyatnya dibiarin bodoh supaya bisa gampang disetir sm politisi.
@@kudajingkrak4919 lah?? Gara² politisi atau memang dasaran dari yg gk inovatif mencari ilmu itu bodoh??
@@Toriqwidyawan Gw prnah ke DIli bro... wktu gw dsna, gw seperti naik mesin waktu kembali ke Indonesia 15-20 tahun yg lalu.
Rakyat susah cari duit,, sekalipun dpt kerja tapi gaji sangat kurang bwt menunjang kebutuhan dasar harian.
Man... klo lu prnah hidup di Indonesia 15-20 thn yg lalu,, dlm situasi sprti itu, lu gakan bisa mikirin inovasi. yg jadi prioritas lu pasti cuma kerja dpt duit supaya keluarga lu bisa makan.
M'berantas kemiskinan, jaminan kesehatan, pendidikan, dan penyediaan lapangan kerja adalah tugas negara wicis dipegang sama pejabat/politisi...
Timor Leste cuma butuh pejabat yg tau caranya kerja yg bener, dan tidak memperkaya diri sendiri. Wicis i don't know if they ever gonna get one.
An open letter to Timorese people who wants to join ASEAN. I am Filipino, and I will say this again. I know we are brothers. We are Catholic, we have same traditions. But all of those things mentioned aside.
1. Learn to understand what is the purpose of ASEAN. It is economic cooperation of middle to high-income countries which are stable in terms of peace and order, economic growth, supply-chain of food and basic needs, and human resources. ASEAN is very competitive in terms of jobs. Indonesia and Vietnam are the leaders in terms of manufacturing. Thailand and Cambodia leads tourism along with Malaysia and Vietnam. Laos and Myanmar are not far behind. (If the coup did not happen in Myanmar, it would be relatively stable). The Philippines is well balanced like Indonesia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Thailand. Where agriculture, infrastructure development, tourism fuels the developing economies. Brunei leading the oil in ASEAN. Of course Singapore being the center for trade and commerce in ASEAN and is already developed
2. I’m not saying that Timor-Leste is a burden to ASEAN. But whatever way I say it, will lead to it. Timor-Leste is not competitive enough and its economy is slow in terms of growth. It can’t contribute enough in ASEAN’s trade. For instance, Your main exports are coffee. But we also produce coffee far more than your country. I mean, your main exports are all available in our respective countries and we produce a lot. Singapore might have been importing most of their food, but look. In return Singapore gives us more than what we give them. It’s investors.
Brunei also gives us oil, and Brunei has one of the highest wages in ASEAN.
3. What will I invest in Timor Leste? I can’t do E-Commerce there, the internet is already bad in ASEAN, Let alone in your country. majority of the people are computer illiterate and they lack knowledge about technology.
I’m not saying that Timor-Leste can’t join ASEAN. It’s just, Timor Leste is not prepared and is not stable. Let’s be brutally honest here. Timor-Leste will only ask for aid and not trade. President Ferdinand Marcos himself already said “We want trade, not aid” Your ambitions are way too much from what you have. Try again in 2050.
One example, the Philippines is projected to have the fastest and highest growth rate in ASEAN. When did Timor Leste have a 7% to 8% growth rate?
Agreed. 20 years since independence, only recently they reached political stability and some kind of unity among their elites.
'Your ambitions are way too much from what you have. Try again in 2050'
Amazing..😀👍
apolo10
@@cilthepen LOL
Ramos Horta, in an interview with CNN, 1999:
"For generations, East Timorese will not want to hear anything about Indonesia. And joining ASEAN is very far [down] my list of priorities."
Are you upset at ASEAN's apparent lack of action?
Yes. They are a club of hypocrites who play golf, display ostentatious [ways] and crack down on students and intellectuals who disagree with their policies and lifestyle. There is, of course, some fresh air in ASEAN, notably the Philippines. The Filipinos show that you can have fundamental freedoms and economic growth hand in hand. We will look for relations with individual members of ASEAN, the Philippines in particular. We have with the Philip-pines immense cultural, religious and historical affinities. But also we look to bilateral cooperation with the Singaporeans, Malaysi-ans. Our strategic choice will be strong relations with countries to the south -- Australia and New Zealand -- and with Japan and the U.S. As for Indonesia, what kind of cooperation can we have? Any Timorese businessman who wants to do business with Indone-sia will think twice because of corruption and cronyism.
I can understand all the concerns raised in this video. Economic development and political stability/integrity are the main issues here. I also see a few comments supporting TL joining ASEAN asap. I'm sorry, but regular people don't really understand how international relations/politics work unless you study it. There're many things to consider beyond economics and politics. Few already mentioned by experts in this video such as the consensus principle where one country can become a headache when it has too much dependency. For example, Cambodia and Laos tried to block ASEAN Joint Statement on South China Sea issue in 2012 and 2016 and we all know these countries depend heavily on Chinese investment. Another one is the non-interference principle which makes it difficult to resolve any crisis when it comes to internal politics, such as coups or conflicts which tend to happen in the least developed countries like what is happening in Myanmar. It's not only destabilising the region but giving Asean a bad reputation. Now upon hearing this 42:40 from the President himself, to me, this sounds like a lack of political integrity which could be a red flag. All that said, I really want to see TL join the ASEAN big family but it will need another few years, if not a decade, to be able to catch up with some level of development. Also, TL needs to prove its regionalism, and show some degree of integrity or independency so it doesn't seem to be easily stirred or intervened by other countries.
Ref:
China Reveals Its Hand on ASEAN in Phnom Penh
www.csis.org/analysis/china-reveals-its-hand-asean-phnom-penh
Myanmar: ASEAN’s Failed ‘5-Point Consensus’ a Year On
www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/22/myanmar-aseans-failed-5-point-consensus-year
ASEAN deadlocked on the South China Sea, Cambodia blocks statement
www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-ruling-asean-idUSKCN1050F6
ASEAN nations fail to reach agreement on South China Sea
www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-18825148
Leaving east timor out of ASEAN means that they would align with China or the US. As an Indonesia, could you imagine having a neighbor that is puppet of China or the US?
They even don't have their own currency
Threatening to join either US or China as a military outpost if rejected by ASEAN is so very stupid for someone who has been a foreign minister.
You said that loud to a Singaporean media whose country has been rejecting you for this long? If Singapore finally agree does it mean you can tell your people that Singapore finally agree because they succumb to your threat?
This is how Australia left your country in the first place. Threatening Australia you will go to China if Australia do not want to invest in Great sunrise project.
The thing about Timor leste's elite is no one really care about the people. It's all about me is the one who did it. And they all say it loud. No Asian humility.
We get rid of Indonesian invaders and we humiliate Australia as oil stealer. These arrogance are always coming from Portuguese descent leaders.
Jose Ramos Horta" I am the most clevest the Nobel laurette who embarrassed Indonesia in international forum. I can comment on Papua Freedom Movement and Myanmar democracy all I want even though it jeopardize Timor leste's applications.
Someone needs to teach him Asian humility and to let go his European descent superiority complex mentality.
Once timor leste can get rid of Xanana Gusmao and Ramos Horta, their arrogant portuguese descent leaders perhaps Asian leaders want to accept them in the same table.
@@DaengKulle795 That's spot-on insight. Thanks for bringing up this perspective. It really is a red flag.
@@riezan they have been trying to play out big Powers against each other for their own interest between China and Australia. Between Indonesia and Singapore.
Too bad those tactics are so easily recognized and cancel each other out. Both Australia and China have less interest in Timor leste today and retreating themselves from timor leste.
Their leaders are so hypocrite and pragmatic, so why would China or Australia spend money there when they know their leaders can easily change their allegiance. They don't even know their place too. They are not that strategic military anyway not even in busy trade route. Solomon is much more strategic in both terms.
We love asean member's of part of ASEAN I'm from Philippines 🇵🇭 🇻🇳 🇮🇩 🇲🇲 🇲🇾 🇸🇬 🇹🇭 🇰🇭 🇧🇳 🇱🇦 🇹🇱
🇹🇱 is it a country??? 😂😂😂 Southeast Asia Dubai??? 😂😂😂 Lol, Best race in ASEAN??? 😂😂😂 HaHaHa gago
I wish all my Timor Leste brothers and sisters nothing but the best. Salam dari West Timor, Indonesia
Dont you think they are stup!d for going independance? I just shake my head. Coming from non-indo here.
@@cnachopchopnewsagency They are being discriminated and killed by Communist Indonesian Government back in the day before the independence.
@@nntflow7058 you really believe western/australian news? If they really hate Indonesia, they will never get in any trade or connection with indonesia after independance. But yeah, they still get in contact with indonesia and still ask for indonesia help. Btw, im here am no indonesian but read widely rather than one lense of news.
@@cnachopchopnewsagency whatever it is behind their independence, what happened, happened. it was heart breaking to lose timor leste as the part of Indonesia but it is what it is, and there's nothing we can do about it right now. all matter now is humanity, everyone deserve prosperity, and they're the neighbor of Indonesia, as Indonesian I can't say Indonesian people is in the best economy situation right now, but we're working on it, we're fighting together, to have a better life. and if there's a way to support our neighbors to have a better life, why wouldn't we support them as well? as long as it doesn't disserve or harmful for any other countries stability, then i think it's all totally fair to do.
@@dyazkiprit Oh, yeah. How about the refugees when Mayor Alfredo done rebellion (2006-2008).The refugees still exist in Indonesia teritorial, They wont goback to their Countries (East-Timor) so what must to do about them meanwhile they are begging for help not only in Economic but also they want to be Indonesia Civilization. That only one problem we can see in surface when we are digging to deep, you will know they are bugging Indonesia.
they complain about TL political instability but look what happened to myamnar after asean let them in? the problem is not the economic and political instability of TL but division with in
asean members state as well
I like imagining an alternate reality of Singapore and Timor-Leste's situation being switched in regards of economic development and status.
East Timor Colonial Mentality. Adopt the Portuguese language as official language. Made them isolated in the region.
@Allahuakbar437 They still interfere. Since part of Timor island is West Timor. Have you been to the border of East/West Timor?. 🤷
We Filipinos have a lot of common to them ngl
I for one would be glad to welcome Timor-Leste into ASEAN if and when they pass the requirements set before them.
Dont make problem with ASEAN. ASEAN already have many problem, Miyammar one of the biggesst problem right now with ASEAN. How about if TimLes joing with ASEAN, the biggest problem more come again.
@@akuyos2402 Myanmar and perhaps Laos. Both have too much investment from China and are being manipulated. I don't have a problem with Chinese investing into ASEAN countries, but I do have a problem if they interfere with how ASEAN works as a group.
bro after 20 years independence from indo, they still using Indonesian Language
12:00 15:50 (Student)
19:01 (Researcher)
37:20 (journalist)
As indonesian, i support East Timor joining ASEAN, because if they dont, ET will join with China or US, thats not good for ASEAN power, however ET not good with economicly but that the price.
Akan menjadi benalu dan beban bagi asean. Biarkan saja mereka sendiri, terserah mereka ikut blok mana selain asean.
Tak perlu kita berlagak sebagai pahlawan untuk mereka.
Mereka sering mencemooh dan menuduh kita sebagai kaum penjajah, sedangkan penjajah portugis dan australia mereka anggap sebagai pahlawan. 😅
Frankly I'm shock TL didn't go with AU association whatever it's called, instead It wanted to go with Indonesia which they consider as its "colonists", hilarious.
Its called hypocrite
Doesn't mean AU will give up on TL right? since AU have been worked hard for TL independence. I hope always together forever
So thick-skinned 😂
Hahaha Indonesians are funny lol. I didn’t know ASEAN was owned by Indonesia?
Kalian membenci kami Indonesia, terus kalian mengatakan kami penjajah oh sungguh ironis, portugis dan australia menjanjah negara kalian dengan terang-terangan kalian tutup mata, terus kalian mendukung sebagian dari Indonesia untuk keluar dari Indonesia, kalian bermuka dua, dan kalian juga mendekati Indonesia untuk bergabung ke negara Asean Indonesia mengabulkan itu, habis itu kalian bergantung ekonomi kalian dari Indonesia tapi kalian tidak tahu berterima kasih kalian hanya terus membenci dan membenci kami, ingat sakit hati kami sebagai warga negara Indonesia dan doa keburukan tuk kalian jika kalian menyakiti Indonesia 🙏
Yes setuju
Setuju
Enak banget ngomong kayak gitu meskipun faktanya Indonesia invasi Timor Leste secara ilegal, bahkan negara seperti AS dan Australia pun diam dan enjoy2 aja, toh buat mereka masalah komunisme perlahan2 diselesaikan...
We’ve never hated anyone, be it countries A or B, in fact Indonesian is a colonialist, remember that😂
@@PolicarpoRodrigues-rb1jo kalo indonesia stop hubungan diplomatik kalian akan makan batu
Singapore totally right, Timor Leste not ready join ASEAN.
PNG already applied for ASEAN membership since 1980's and we still not let them in. So why now all in sudden we must let TL in?
PNG is literally not located in Asia. While Timor Leste is located in Asia.
And maybe the fact that PNG was colony of Australia, they pose a threat of working for Australian agenda
Ada negara yang seolah jadi pahlawan di masa lalu tp nyatanya mereka mengambil sesuatu yg berharga dr negara yang ditolong tersebut (minyak).
Ada negara yang dianggap sebagai penjajah karena suatu rezim, yang menyebabkan pertumpahan darah krn politik, tapi mereka memberikan pendidikan kpd mereka, memberikan alokasi APBN kpd mereka melebihi bbrapa provinsi lain di indonesia di waktu itu. Skrang jika apa yang mereka mau tidak kesampaian, maka mereka mengancam menjadi tempat untuk pangkalan militer negara luar. WOW
Haha, minyak dan gas pun di perkirakan habis thn 2023
@@omroni9275 klo gue si masa bodo, ya kdang ngarepin mereka stidaknya maju sedikit, cmn saya bingung kok klo masih ditolak jd member ASEAN kok ngancem jd base militer china atau amrik. yg mana hal tsb bisa mengganggu stabilitas geopolitik kawasan ASEAN. Sjujurnya TL bknnya hrusnya gabung ke kawasan negara kepulauan Pasifik ya?
@@mandanani828 itu cma gertak org frustasi, kalo ada konflik terjadi tanah meraka pasti akan rata karna negara mereka di gadaikan dan pastinya mereka mikir kesitu jg
@@omroni9275 ya ngarep sih gtu, tp klo terdesak kyknya bisa kemungkinan akan terjadi karena keadaan geopolitik global lg panas antara china dan negara anggota NATO. China atau lawannya bisa memanfaatkan utk militernya dan TL butuh uang. Bgi indo sndiri baik dtangnya dr china atau lawannya akan membuat keamanan pertahanan negara sedikit terganggu. Di Laut natuna kita blom kelar dgan china, ama australi kita gk tenang krn AUKUS, aplgi klo sampe bikin pangkalan militer di TL.
Bluntly speaking, ASEAN is already having enough problems in bringing Laos, Cambodia, and Burma up to par with the development of other ASEAN nations. That is the reality because those countries were deeply disadvantaged by their protracted wars and instability. IMO, they should focus on helping their current members and not add the extra headache that TLE will bring the ASEAN members.
Personally as an Indonesian, I still remember that in the beginning of their independence, TLE scorn ASEAN as an organization of poor nations, they (TLE) firmly believe that their oil resources will bring them up to the level of SG or Dubai in no time. Whelp, that's a bust. 🤷🏻♀️
Now, they are begging to join ASEAN? No, thanks. You scorned us then, we scorn you now.
I do not agree if Timor Leste joins Asean, because from the economic aspect it is very far away. The reason is that the country's currency is still using the US dollar
Indonesia is doing it's best to support TL, but honestly nothing's gonna change so long as the people of TL doesn't change. I always wonder why can't they just ditch the US dollar and make their own currency, or at least use Indonesian rupiah instead to smooth things up on their side, given that most of the help they receive come from Indonesia anyway
@@aisukururimu7515 not just indonesia but other countries as well by providing scholarships to produce nation builders. But it will take a loooonggg time.
We Filipinos love and support all the ASEAN members specially the new one East Timor.. We Filipinos and Timorese had shares alot of common.. 🇵🇭❤️🇹🇱
Asean already struggle because myanmar... i think if timor leste join it will be more trouble in asean
@@hendrajohn3511 mismo. Di rin ako pabor na sumali ang timor leste sa asosasyon
@@Ymats-dj1ntako pabor ako, dahil makakatulong to sa reptutayson ng asosasyon, at nakalagay sa constitution ng ASEAN na hindi to makikielam sa gera pang civil
Oh please no more Aussie puppet crap. Having PNG next to Papua already caused a lot of stability issue. And now this breakaway province is failing and risk another separatist group spawned to the neighboring country, great.
I don’t care about Timor Leste. ASEAN doesn’t need Timor Leste, but they TL need us-ASEAN. Why don’t they be ashamed by their arrogance? Joining Indonesia was such a great choice yet they betrayed their own people by so much depending on Australia and yet they got nothing but being exploited by Australia. I mean it is karma that affects the TL’s situation rn.
Joining Indonesia? They were invaded by Indonesia who massacred 20% of the country's population.
It's not nice to speak like that. I like Timor Leste join ASEAN ASAP. Jangan marah marah tau
"Joining Indonesia was such a great choice"
Sorry to break it to you, it's the worst choice ever...it's Cold War BS...
Let's take a brief look at the economy in ASEAN currently plus Timor Leste in 2023.
GDP per capita (nom):
1. Singapore $ 87,9k
2. Brunei $ 34,4k
3. Malaysia $ 13k
4. Thailand $ 7,3k
5. Indonesia $ 5,1k
6. Vietnam $ 4,3k
7. Philippines $ 3,9k
8. Cambodia $ 1,9k
9. Laos $ 1,9k
10. Timor-Leste $ 1,5k
11. Myanmar $ 1,4k
We can see that per capita Timor-Leste is already surpassing Myanmar. But in bigger picture, number of population is also as important as the per capita income. We can see the total GDP of each ASEAN nations below:
1. Indonesia $ 1,4 T
2. Thailand $ 513 B
3. Singapore $ 497 B
4. Philippines $ 436 B
5. Vietnam $ 433 B
6. Malaysia $ 431 B
7. Myanmar $ 75 B
8. Cambodia $ 31 B
9. Brunei $ 15 B
10. Laos $ 14 B
11. Timor-Leste $ 2 B
This way we can understand why ASEAN are still hesitating about Timor-Leste. There's little to offer economically. But I think competition between USA and China could be an opportunity for Timor-Leste to push for ASEAN membersship. Though, openly telling to join US or Chinese side is not a good idea, as the interests of nations will change time by time but their geographical position will always be near ASEAN members especially Indonesia. They need to play their limited cards correctly.
Stability of the society and aspiration-action of the people of Timor Leste will determine its future. In this documentary, the reference to Myanmar's recent chaos is poorly-thought (look at the countries around China to see if democracy is suitable).
South Korea?
Japan?
yeah. indochina region not suitable for democracy. so.. let them be like that. dont try to change it to be democracy. democracy is not the best system.
Timor Leste is not a stable country, and should not join ASEAN for nearly future years. Why?
1) Timor Leste main income is from oils, but their oils is estimated will be drained in 2023 because of massive explorations by the Australian government (a country who was pretend to support their Independence). When the Timor Leste oils drained in 2023, and Australia abandon them, pretty sure they will fall into their worst economy crisis. Timor Leste is at the brink of bankruptcy.
2) Timor Leste don't have their own currency, they used USD. Which means Timor Leste don't have financial/economy sovereignty, and their financial status is depend to the US's economy. But we know that Timor Leste have huge different status with a rich country like US. If US got hit by inflation or any economy impact, the damage to a poor country like Timor Leste will be extremely devastating. US could recover quick since US is a rich country, but Timor Leste will need years, even decades to recover.
3) There are dozens-hundreds of new rebel organizations in Timor Leste, that makes Timor Leste having a lot of security issues. That's why there's very low investors interested to invest into Timor Leste, since security is one of the main important things to invite the investors.
4) Timor Leste don't have good human resources to boost their growth. Their leaders don't know how to run a country. They have lack educations, their university is at the lowest quality, and more than 80% Timor Leste people cannot write and read.
Etc.
@@ahmadin5681 Fun fact: S.Korea is protected by N.Korea from China
I love timor Leste to be part of ASEAN as a filipino and i hope policies of ASEAN would be much stronger and more free trade and help each other rather than compete and betray behind its back
Kalau tidak salah, TL menjadi bagian Indonesia selama 22 tahun dan lepas dari Indonesia sudah 23 tahun. Namun mereka masih berbahasa Indonesia dengan baik dan benar. Terima kasih ya
They're better than some Indonesian tbh
Rencana awal mereka untuk menghapus segala sesuatu berbau Indonesia gagal, karena aktivitas ekonomi mereka bergantung sama Indonesia, jadi boleh dibilang keterpaksaan dalam berbahasa Indonesia yang ternyata masih berguna hingga saat ini. Fakta lain Indonesia yang selalu mereka rendahkan justru jauh lebih membantu daripada Australia dan Portugal sebagai negara yang dipuja-puja
Ga usah bangga nyett, bhs Indonesia di pake orang" pedalaman dan primitif seperti mereka
@@bumiku1294 itu sangat betul, bahkan TL tidak hanya masih bergantung import kebutuhan pokok saja tapi guru pengajar,maskapai penerbangan,PLN,infrastruktur dll, ini sama saja kaya tdk merdeka, coba klo masih bersama indonesia semua itu akan di berikan gratis sebagai anggaran, lepas nya timor justru membawa berkah bagi indonesia khusus nya indo timur.
@@imano9610 gimana skrng Nusa tenggara benar2 diperhatikan sm presiden skrng...mlh diproyeksikan jd bali yg ke dua., mandalika contohnya, dulu siapa yg tahu mandalika? skrng.., dunia jg tahu...
Luar biasa umur 2 tahun masih mengingat pasukan Indonesia terjun payung....
😂😂
Why are a lot of the Timorese being interviewed here talking in bahasa Indonesia..? I know that a lot of them can still speak Indonesian.. but it's not their official language and they are being interviewed by a Singaporean media not Indonesian... there's really no need for them to be speaking in bahasa Indonesia for this program.. I would've thought they will be talking in Tetum or Portuguese (besides english).. or is bahasa Indonesia still being regularly used by the general population in their daily conversations..? even that young engineering fresh graduate still speak very good bahasa Indonesia, even though he was born when TL already separated from Indonesia.
Their govt attempts to eradicate all traces about Indonesia were miserably failed since they were hugely dependent with Indonesia and unable to shake off that dependency ever since.
Indonesian = Money Language
Well, I do support TL to join asean. We are in the same region and we should help each other out. No matter rich or poor country, every country will somehow find a way to be productive sooner or later with some external help from other asean member. In my opinion, I do not want to see TL under China or US influence if they are rejected in asean because this will seriously jeopardise ASEAN national interest. Love from Singapore 🇸🇬
China is not interest in Timor leste. They are only playing US China rival and Australia's Sinophobic sentiment.
China is not even interested in investing there. Timor Leste is not geographically strategic compare to Solomon Fiji and PNG
You less know about history...they never feel as Asian PEOPLES during INTEGRATION with Indonesian.... they feel as Melanesian or more close to Australia or Portuguese....you need read history more dude
They were previously never felt that they were part of Southeast Asia, only after their oil dried up now they were busy saying they were part of Southeast Asia. Last but not least, if you want ASEAN to accept them just because you don't want to see them fall under China or US influence it means that you already lost to his veiled threat.
@@ignatiusryd2031 I find the annoying as well when he said that he would go to US or China simple as that.
They're very sus to only want to join ASEAN when their main source of $ dried up😂
Ownself shoot ownself.
There needs to be a probation period upon joining too. Else the other members are set to help pickup TL, hindering their own progress. 3-5years of probation. If they can't meet their promises, then they should be asked to leave.
37:56 choice number 3, join Indonesia again.
But of course, this is a bitter choice for the people of Timor Leste and Indonesia.
Especially for the fighters and the blood that has been shed during independence.
There will be a lot of agreeing and refusing to this 3rd choice. But if you look at options number 1 or 2, choice number 3 is the best.
Being on the same island, they can also speak bahasa, a similar culture especially to eastern Indonesia. Integration will be easier.
Well, whatever it is. Only the time that can will be answering
I think you misunderstand the statement. It not about joining Indonesia, but in 2023 Indonesia will be Asean chairman, he hope Timor joining asean will be more likely happenning under Indonesian chairmanship.
@@edzz177 I hope it would not happened.
Please no.
@@edzz177 he said there are 3 option if Timor leste were rejected by asean. 1. Join US camp . 2. Join China camp and no. 3 is what?
Beg Indonesia to accept them again? Ramos Horta spend 8 days going around Indonesia try to find support within Indonesia political elites.
A very stupid move. Seems very desperate.
Indonesia official stand support timor leste membership.
They need to convince Myanmar Laos Singapore Vietnam Brunei that has been rejected them so far. Why Indonesia? Hoping Indonesia to force other countries?
That is even stupider the more Indonesia push timor leste to become asean member the more other countries have rejected it thinking Indonesia has ulterior motives. Getting more voices within asean for example.
No disrespect to TL but even as Indonesian i dont want TL to rejoin us. TL was a dark history for us, its better for both of us to learn how to be neighbours instead of family.
Timor leste should joint with its master, Australia.
We don't want it. Too many issues.
Tak baik tau. Indonesia sepatutnya terima Timur Laste masuk Asean
@@Hazemann Timor leste has betrayed Indonesia once and will not be forgotten. Now they have to live with the consequences.
@@HandyPardjoko234 Timur Leste masuk Asean bukan berkenaan Indonesia. Ini berkenaan untuk elakkan Timur Leste daripada dijadikan military base kepada USA/China/Australia.
Best wishes for ASEAN and Timor Leste..
We Indonesians strongly reject the plan Timor Leste to join into ASEAN, because we see that there is no political stability in that country, a bad security and education, low economy and inadequate infrastructure facilities, high poverty and are considered unable to have a positive impact and cannot provide benefits for other ASEAN countries. and Timor Leste is only seen as a burden on the team if you join ASEAN.
Well, it's not true in the council because Indonesia actually endorsed TL to be ASEAN member. However, not enough country accepting that.
@@vinpratt8164 maybe what is meant by the Indonesian people, not the Indonesian government
@@sg-ff3li yea, that's why I said in council / government. Indonesian people have split opinion regarding TL joining ASEAN, but, we all agree that the living condition in TL kinda suck
Let him be with “ kompeni” they are traitor
@@Foxy11123 traitor for what. TL was never part of Indonesia.
Ramos Horta is the king of denial and hallucination ? Ramos Horta said soon they will become the most advanced connectivity country in South East Asia. The cable ain't build yet but he already claim it.
Remind me that he once said that Timor leste will be the Dubai of South East Asia. 😂
So funny so cute Setra Ramos Rice saying 😂
@@dhenoyznero 🤣 lol Setra Ramos rice
Timor Leste..we support u ..from Philippines with loved and care☺️
Hopefully TL can enter ASEAN, in present they live in a bizzare vacuum where they are neither part of South East Asia nor are they part of Australia's Oceania block
Surprised they're all still speak bahasa Indonesia
It's like saying surprised that the people of The Republic of Ireland still speaks english.
@@Driziationz Well Indonesian dont speak Dutch because we see them as Invader/Colonizer.
Timorese called us Invader yet still speak our language very well, that what makes it surprising to me
@@Driziationz British control Ireland for centuries, however Indonesia did it for decades.
I think it is very wise if Timor Leste can still speak Indonesian from an economic point of view, because it can have access to 4 neighboring countries like Indo, Malay, SG, Brunei because the Indo language about the same as malay (90% similar). rather than portuguese where the country of the speakers is far away.
@@TJorg1993 same as irish who sees british as oppressors, but they are neighboring nations like Indonesia n timles, hence they have more intense interactions, unlike netherlands which lies thousands of miles away
The more, the merrier. Welcome abroad Timor Leste
… aboard.
actually their standard bahasa indonesia is better than some jakartans who mostly use slang language XD
Jakartan sudah rojak bahasanya campur2 dgn bahasa Inggris dan slang2 baru tidak jauh beda dgn orang KL, orang daerah lebih menggunakan bahasa Indonesia standar termasuk di Timor Leste ini
Hoping for the best for East Timor! 🇵🇭🇹🇱
It is very difficult, making development during an economic crisis with an unstable situation, plus the depleting oil reserves. Compared to Myanmar, East Timor is more stable. As an Indonesian, I support the joining of East Timor to become part of ASEAN. However this will also be a sustainable advantage for Indonesia, Timor Leste and ASEAN.
What if China buys out the East Timor government, and use it to influence ASEAN?
ASEAN need to be neutral to have economic advantage. East Timor needs economic development and stable government, so they cannot be influenced by outsiders first...
Lagi ada beban tambah beban
@@pandorahoshinova3162 what if Australia and Papua New Guinea joins too?
@@1mol831 So.. it will be Asean+ XD
"sustainable advantage for Indonesia" gimana maksud lu? Industri pariwisata mereka aja mengenaskan, Sumberdaya alam kaya minyak aja tinggal 1/10 yg tersisa. "Timor-Leste has received USD $22 billion from oil and gas, but its last producing reserve is nearly gone, and will provide less than $2 billion more". Jadi sustainable advantage gimana? Maksudlu sustainable burden? Mikir dlu, Liat dlu kondisi politik dan geopolitik TL. Liat dlu situasi ekonomi sama manajemen ekonomi negara mereka, Baru ngomong.
The other countries will said NO ❌ 🤷 NO TIMOR LESTE ❌
Hope the investors from Philippines may Come to Timor leste like SM Corp.Filinvest corp.Robinson Corp .Ayala group and Jollibee etc lets help Timor leste
😂😂😂 it'so funny.. But it's better for PH's Goverment to clean their slump first before helping timor-timor
@@zavierlaviossa8132 That is true. Manila is like Jakarta, sinking,ugly, and poor. Im from Jakarta but my city has more slums than Manila. Still ..
@@zavierlaviossa8132 Philippine are now bacome stronger I’m just talking about the Investors from Philippines not the government
@anonymous well its already did by our government starting from pasig river, manila bay, smokey mountain, giving informant settler relocation, giving vendors store and cash assistant unlike jakarta your government can't provide basic needs like water pipeline for those poor residents who live there that's why jakarta is the most fastiest sinking city in the world. 🤣🤣🤣🤮🤮🤮
@@sukarap7754 haha pasig river? 😂 is that all you have for your country? look, people* PH are very arrogant like they have become a developed country, even though from all sectors, especially your country's infrastructure is very lagging when compared to indo, it can be seen from the development of the largest digital economy in asean indo becoming number one .. and the question, is slump in Manila they also get clean water from the government like in Jakarta recently? 😂 Even Slump in manila, and the house in the village in your country is much worse than the Chicken Coop in our country LOL 😂
yang penting stabil politik dan ekonomi aja sih... asean sangat menekankan itu..
TL should set up a commonwealth kind of partnership with Australia instead of joining ASEAN. ASEAN has its own problems here and there that must be resolved, most of the members are developing countries which should put their resources to develop and stabilize their countries first. When TL oil and gas resource is depleted and run out in a very few years, economically TL will become a burden for ASEAN. Australia is the best choice for TL as it strongly supported TL disintegrated from Indonesia, Australia benefited a lot from TL oil and gas reserve, and for sure Australia has already been a developed and wealth country, abundant cash to aid TL.
Timor Leste being underdeveloped is not an excuse to bar it from joining. It is rather the reason for ASEAN members to support the nation up to the point that it is developed enough to join.
Apakah ASEAN sudah bisa mensejahterakan semua anggotanya? Kenapa menambah masalah baru
Finally a comment that makes sense!
Timor Leste is already a part of SEA, but when we're talking about ASEAN, it's a different matter dude😅.
ASEAN is an Association, it has standard to fullfill and others
We, neighbouring countries already help them! It's not necessary to be part of ASEAN countries or not, we are still helping them, aren't we?
Short answer "NO"
ASEAN members need to value carefully the advantages & disadvantages of Timor-Leste and few other countries becoming new ASEAN members, if not the geopolitical problem from both superpowers could creep in the region much faster.
I hope no,Timor Leste is lowest economy rate in South East Asia.Imagine what happen next if Timor Leste join to ASEAN.
Countries like philippines and vietnam are still anxious and under pressure on south china sea and taiwan tension economically adding more country would add pressure on adjusting
I think it would be better for ASEAN to be more self sufficient adding more its neighbors. And hoping that in the future ASEAN can have its own currency.
Kita beda ras, Timor Leste cocoknya masuk Oceania. Biar lah dia gabung bareng Australia
Impossible. If ASEAN common currency is happened then countries that relies on weak currency to boost their exports and push their living cost as low as possible like Indonesia will be badly affected. Also, it also means that ASEAN members must change their constitution. I'm sure many in ASEAN would overwhelmingly reject that common currency idea.
Timorleste was : they are colonialist don't listen them.
Timorleste now : can i join ?
The hypocrisy 😂
Timor is not even racially Asian, go join Melanesian spearhead group or Pacific island forums instead
Indonesian Papua: ???
It’s not about race, it’s about region. Timor-Leste is regionally considered in Southeast Asia.
@@persepolis80 yeah, I mean mainland and maritime Southeast Asians are distinct people, not to mention negritos.
@@persepolis80 No its not Southeast Asia ends at Borneo
@@qp4590 Malay colony
Beban. It Will make Asean suffer. Let timur Leste free for their freedom. Its really slow down Asean .
the colonial history is very thing that shaped most of ASEAN, and it is unfortunate for Timor Leste, really hope the best for Timor Leste, as Indonesian I hope that our countries reconciled and focus to bring prosperity to both countries. It is heartbreaking to hear that they only have 2 choices if denied in ASEAN, US or China, it is the same as selling your country to them, moving from colonialism to neo-colonialism. Timor Leste should be more active in swaying ASEAN so that their citizens get the benefits not only status as ASEAN, acknowledge that the government is aging, don't rely to the old political party, send the youths to ASEAN to study politics in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and pull them to be a minister in the executive cabinet and legislative seat, reform the legislation and always be as strict as possible about corruption.
Philippines please help the timor leste to grow their economy and the people... And stand for join to asean
PNG already applied for ASEAN membership since 1980's and we still not let them in. So why now all in sudden we must let TL in?
@@agusfaragus9849 What PNG?
@@dilaleo1855 papua new guinea?
@@antagaismaya6618 correct. 🙂
@@antagaismaya6618 Ohh
Says someone who said they are not asian once 😃
42:40 Is Timor Leste threaten us? Asean maybe not as strong as China or America but we not easily threatened like that
Namanya jg Ramos Horta, bingung gw knp ni org kepilih lg
@@escaladism TL krisis regenerasi pemimpin
Ramos Horta, in an interview with CNN, 1999:
"For generations, East Timorese will not want to hear anything about Indonesia. And joining ASEAN is very far [down] my list of priorities."