The Natuna Dispute: Can Indonesia Afford To Go Up Against China In South China Sea? | Insight
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- A maritime dispute is brewing between Southeast Asia’s largest economy, Indonesia and the world’s second largest economy China. Both countries are claiming sovereignty over waters off the resource rich Natuna islands. It’s a dispute that could potentially turn into a new flashpoint in the region. China claims that it has historic rights to most parts of the waters off Natuna. Indonesia on the other hand says that the Natuna sea falls within 200 nautical miles of Indonesia’s coastline, making it part of its exclusive economic zone or EEZ.
But can Indonesia afford to set limits to China’s maritime ambition in the South China sea? And given its dependence on China for investments and trade, will it stand to gain or lose more from its maritime dispute with a global superpower?
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I stand in solidarity and Strength with our Indonesian Brothers and Sisters! 🇮🇩 ❤️🇵🇭
I was hoping that Indonesia and The Philippines would collaborate more against the bullying by the chinese Military. But then bong bong came into power and he leaned towards china, or is it just the media idk
Then we are enemies.
phillipine operated so many illegal gambling website such as SBOBET , IBCBET , .. targeting indonesia, malaysia, and thailand player as a big customer.. and in phillipine they are so many people is a drug addicted .. drug dealer is everywhere in phillipine .. and now a dictator son has became your president ..
Ok keyboard warriors 🤣
@@solidstudd22 Why here??
SALUTE TO INDONESIAN GOVERNMENT FOR BEING SO BRAVELY TO PROTECT ITS RIGHT!
👍👍👍👍👍
I hope Indo and China could cooperate together concerning disputed regions
This incident was widely covered in the Philippines. Respect and love to our brothers. Mabuhay Indonesia Raya!
I stand with my Muslim Indonesian brothers and sisters it˙s the Islamic responsibility to defend the sovereignty of your land the sea of your nation, one love from Somalia💙🇮🇩.
Allahuwakbar I am a Christian but I will stand for Indonesia no matter christian or muslim
I am from Ireland, ancestrally Indian, and I honestly want Indonesia to become stronger.
Hmmm since a major incident already occurred in 2016.
Did it help to decrease the fish theft or had it continue and grow?
I think it is best to seize those ships (give them to Indonesia's fishers at low cost (or exchange for a portion of their 2-5% of their gain)
Increase penalty to drive up the cost of the bandit's operation.
On the upside: Indonesia is moving its capital north so there will be more improvement/alert to its northern islands/defense.
We have no choices, we fight or we die. We have this time when The Ducth was in Indonesia
India and Indonesia have historically strong relations. Both countries are non aligned.
@@RajKumar-tm5pd And India is where our former Taoiseach traced origin from.
Indonesia won't be strong without america approval. The west will definitely stir up intrrnal conflict like in the past
Its not true that Indonesian Armed Forces (TNI) has been relied heavily on Chinese made weapon systems. The biggest arms suppliers for TNI are still US and EU countries. It is true that some Navy (TNI AL) Fast Missile Boat are using Chinese made C-705 but its operational record has been less than satisfactory. The Army (TNI AD) also operates some Chinese made AA autocannon but only a handful compare to some European made equivalents. TNI has also build solid partnership with US Armed Forces in recent years and major military assets procurements has already undergone and involved manufacturers from USA, France, Italy, UK, South Korea and even Japan
in fact i dont remember we ever bought chinese made weapon system because the numbers are so tiny compare to weapons we buy from russia or even usa. CNA made sh't up again i guess?
Major higher officials of TNI are Chinese
Some sellouts to China, some to the West, nothing Indonesian in high ranking TNI
@@harukrentz435 i think that interviewees lack of research.
Our weapon so many from europe country like France, US, Russia, Turkey, Germany, Brazil and lastly China.
Looks to me like another shxxty report from cna again👎👎
@@harukrentz435 it should be note however, that the TNI AU had operated handful of CH-4 drones from China which these are the first missle armed drones in TNI AU strategic inventory. Also interestingly, despite negative operational record in recent past, news just came about a week ago that the Indonesian MoD has introduced working task group to reverse engineer C-705 missile. It is still unclear if this program would involve Chinese contractors or subsystem manfucaturers in the futures
We stand with Indonesia. Love from India.
thanks india. you are our elder brothers
@@dimasaditya5363 speak for yourself, India is not my brother xD
@@0xskynetIndonesia and Malaysia went to war in 1963
Indonesian people are never afraid to go to war with any country if they are disturbed, the Mongols were slaughtered in Java when they were still the rulers of the world, Britain, the winner of the second world war, lost the war in Surabaya, the Indonesian people flowed in the blood of fighters, they will never be afraid of the problem of sovereignty
mendem jamur ta bro.. omongmu kok isin.isini..
@@xijinping8686 kamu pernah belajar sejarah pora Cox kok goblok eram , ngaku Xi Jinping Taek kucing
You are not Indonesian.. Embarrassing
You are correct, the indonesians are the founder of silat & their black magic is more powerful than thailand and they can make the human head fly like drone. Who is not afraid ? The whiteman were afraid of the indonesian bravery and also their contact with the multiverse with tenaga dalam.
@@thatone8085 Problems like that all Asian countries don't have to be proud of something like that
If we claim based from History, all of sea in South east Asia belong to Austronesian People because they live there for long time ago even before Chinese know how to make boats. So only their descendants have rights to have it, which is the people of Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia and Brunai.
Yes its true, everyone can claim, but only china the one that can claim and take action to materialize it
Pre-Austronesian came from South China. So they were actually South Chinese itself -_-. I don't want to bring ethnicity here but before Austronesian came, Southeast Asia was occupied by Melanesians. So by ur history of logic, pacific countries like Vanuatu, Solomon, or Papua New Guinea can also claim SEA
Oh also not to mention that pre-korean and pre-japanese came from China too
@@Vi-pv3xi that very true indeed, that's why 9 dash line claim sound ridiculous. if i'm not wrong original inhabitant southern China is what Han people call "100 yue / bai yue or whatever they call", which is actually consist many different ethnic groups, mostly Austronesian, Austroasitic and dai Viet, now they live mainly in Southeast Asia. So if we claim based on History, Southeast Asian Country have more Rights for South China Sea or should I call it Asean Sea.
@@Vi-pv3xi and all of their ancestor evolved in africa, so african nations has the right in south china sea 🤣
@@mohamadhafidal-ahyar2253 hahha yea and do you know the first china emperor is a african black dude?
If everything based on the history, Mongolia would claim its teritory from China to Europe and Indonesia would claim as far as the Philiphines.
U r right, if u don't claim based on history u claim by your mitilary power, this is the world we live in. So i'd suggest Indonesia starts with nuclear weapons development right now, just in casee.
Only as far as phillipines ? Try madagascar
@@kyawmintpho5696 No nuclear weapon in SEA as per Bangkok Treaty.
@@kyawmintpho5696 Indonesia consider nuclear plant as energy source but not nuclear weapon. The world already have too many nuclear weapon.
@make a wish agree, I don't mind( ͡°ᴥ ͡° ʋ)
China wants to claim Natuna based on history back from Ming dynasty, but we're NOT that silly to claim all our neighboring countries including north Australia as our territory based on our history also.
Sriwijaya empayer .indonesia
Maja pahit empayer.indonesia
Cuz you’re not capable to claim anything 🤣🤣🤣
@@uniquerai CCP is not capable of claim anything either 🤣🤣🤣
@@kopitah7620 that’s why you’re government crying 😭 😭😭😭😭
@@uniqueraiwe could, but we don't want to, because it would cause untold chaos if we did. We are a civilized nation, willing to give in for world peace. China no, they are stubborn about claiming the LCS. Some of them cover Indonesian territory. You think just because China has a military rank above us will make us surrender? Bro, you should learn how Indonesia dared to fight the British in ancient times. Meanwhile, China was crying because it was colonized by Japan😂🤣
for a long time, hundreds of years ago even thousands years when the Indonesian kingdom still existed, Natuna Island has become a place for Indonesia traditional fishermen. How can china declare it their territory. just by looking at the map, we all know that this is an Indonesian archipelago. You call yourself Land Lord The Biggest "China Mainland" country, not an archipelago or maritime country. It belongs to Indonesia not China
Indonesia is a rising power in the world and i think they need to do what is their best interest. Its apparently that China is Intruding into the South China Seas and Indonesia's sphere. So as the leader and strongest member of Asean, Indonesia needs to protect its future.
indonesia is a power both economically and militarily in its own right.However I don't agree that Indonesia is reliant on Chinese weapons. Indonesians are not stupid to be reliant on Chinese weapons and in a dispute being held hostage by china for military supplies.indonesia is also no push over from china and china knows it.
Conservation of the sea is vital for the future of humanity. Just like protecting the environment from pollution.
Indonesia will not stop oil drilling in the North Natuna Sea in cooperation with Russia...that's the right of the Indonesian government according to international law
China does not care Indonesia-Russia joint venture as China is also a partner for Yamal north pole NG drilling.
@@josephguo6256 we were never afraid of you
@@dimasaditya5363 Monkey🐒
@@haochengzhai7156 you dogs
@@dimasaditya5363 Eat more bananas🍌
Semua anak Nusantara patut bertekad mempertahankan kedaulatan tanahair & perairan masing-masing.
Everyone says that, it's action that counts
The only threat to peace is usa and its dogs.
gausa kepancing, LOL ini CNA. soal teritori uda clear tahun kemaren
Except those islands/territorial lands in disputes are not owned by anybody, precisely why many nations made a claim on them. Do you understand what sovereignty means? It means you officially own them.
dan jgn lupa membeli beberapa senjata nuklear dari North Korea
As long had good economy and stable politics, a country will capable defend their own territory
The only threat to peace is usa and its dogsThe only threat to peace is usa and its dogs
Singapore is a puppet state of the West, it is proven by participating in providing sanctions for Russia
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Indonesia's military is actually pretty weak compared to a superpower. Plus, Indonesia's long coastline is a nightmsre to defend.
@@zero59267 that is why we use small patrol boats
And some destroyers to defend it
Let's have a look at history. For thousands of years, China has been a closed society. That means private travel abroad is banned. There have been occasional instances of official Chinese expedition (according to Chinese records) as early as 7th Century. But even then early civilization already exist such as Khmer and the Sri Vijaya kingdom and there are already local natives in the islands or countries they have visited. Therefore, China has absolutely no right in making claims that the South China Seas belongs to them.
@@YouOnUsPath majapahit never defeated the mongols because it was only founded after the mongol left. founder of majapahit raden wijaya in fact took advantage of the mongol army to defeat jayakatwang before going after the mongols himself. srivijaya, angkor, khmer etc are more relevant to the relations with china.
china did have a small navy during the mongol invasion to burma, japan, and java. but they were never a maritime power.
@@yucode7356 duh bro, Majapahit is still has related to Sriwijaya. in many places on Majapahit site founds many Chinese money too. You need read Ratu Kalinyamat from Java, her army well known has the big ships more than anyone else. Our Indonesians ancestors is the sailor. Everyone on this worlds already trade between each others long before those period actually. Even before millenia prolly.
@@YouOnUsPath srivijaya has a close relationship with china since many chinese used the maritime trade routes to learn buddhism in india through srivijaya since the 7th century. no one's saying china has no relation with other places but majapahit was short-lived and didnt conduct extensive international relations like srivijaya or angkor. with majapahit, the chinese were already muslims (lookup ma huan) and they didnt have a close relationship like they did with srivijaya in which they share the same religion
@@yucode7356 lol China still buddism Majapahit tho, which you said muslim just some, not all Chinese, long before thats 7th century its already many trades. If you look Egpyt history its already known if they are also travelling arounds the worlds. Many relief and artifacts in there show the drawing which same like people, house, etc in Indonesia which has same characteristic till today.
We here in Australia are with you Indonesia period
🇮🇩☺️🙏aukus aliansi anda
Lbih mengamcam daripada China
😂😂@@duniapantasi
China and Indonesia are in good negotiating on the issues Why CNA bring up this subject as though both countries have issues.
What motives?
Who is the mastermind behind all of the confrontation, conflicts, coup around the world ?
United Snakes of America.
很高兴我看到了一个聪明人！
CNA is a western propaganda machine at times..
@@lanlantulan its the bbc of Southeast asia
make trouble between two countries
Stating Indonesia in a good term with the Chinese, is overstating, however saying we re in a hostile situation is not true as well.
Indonesia is playing it smooth and low, they try to make everybody happy by having little bit from here and there.
This related to Javanese culture, they will not confront any dispute abruplty but with proper diplomacy and tact. However like the Javanes, one should not look their politeness as weakness.
One of the current example, despite of heavy military purchase from western counterpart, Indonesia -with proper excuse- ignoring western demands on banning Russia for G20 meeting.
Likewise the military prowess of the country, the previous acquisations of military arsenals were mostly used western equipments with some rebuilding or minor updates of the equipments. But the current purchases are mostly new items, so yes they re getting there.
By saying that, presently Indonesian military might not the top notch condition and quality if comparing to -like- singapore, but definetely comparable to Thailand, Vietnam and Malaysia in the terms of build quality of the arsenals. BUT having current military shopping spree like there s no tomorrow, in few years to come the military might of Indonesia will hugely increase.
For example China, 30 years ago the dispute of south china sea were among Brunei Malaysia Phillipines and some SEA countries as the PLA navy was small and of low qualities, it took them 20 years at least, finally they re become the key player in the region.
Propaganda has made us to believe that the US has a military presence in Asia, cuz the Asian countries have requested it to do so. This is not true. No one has asked the US to "Help" subsume China cuz China NEVER been meddling or aggressor countries. China is not "The Enemy" of nobody. China is a nation of Peace. China does not attack anyone. China does not invade any sovereign country. Not even in 1,000 years of its history has it done this: NEVER! China does not steal the resources of other sovereign nations. China does not interfere in anyone's internal or political affairs. China defends its borders and defends itself from foreign invasions. China does NOT have Military Bases outside its national territory. The US has 800 Military Bases scattered around the world and 93 of these Bases are in front of China. It is time for the countries of Asia to unite as Europe is united, and Latin America will be united. The US has no Territorial nor Marine Rights in Asia and the US has nothing to do in Asia. US is very far from its border limits. US does not "Help" anyone. The countries of Asia can defend themselves ALONE! and do not need the US to "Defend" them. And... The China Sea belongs to China. That is a verifiable Fact.
Agree! Yr president now is smart, wisdom
yes, cz java is key 😏
Agreed. We have a lot of cards to play.
Exactly 💯
Indonesia must increase its naval military strength, especially increasing the number of patrol boats and battle ships that have been alerted on outer islands such as Natuna, lest the country's sovereignty be exchanged and lost because of investment from China. fishermen and indigenous islands must be protected and prospered. Asean countries must unite to maintain and defend their sovereignty and strengthen the borders of fellow Asean countries.
We need frigate dude, not boat
@@bayununudid he think we are just act as fisherman and just go fishing?😂
yeah and now with china-us heat going up, making indonesia favor US more than their long trader friend china. not only that if china keeps tension going malaysia philippine brunei and vietnam will not stand still with china taking almost all Water on SEA(South East Asia) their own while not being a part of one. making almost half of SEA their enemy and also maybe ASEAN gonna doing some movement because half of it member was on tension with china.
China should limit its demands on South China Sea to an acceptable and agreed to boundaries by ASEAN. China has so much, it can afford to be generous.
Not really. Because the virtue of their super capitalist mentality, all their surrounded fishery are poisoned by mercury tailing...god knows what else. Even the people in mainland china jokes that they have inherent poison resistance because they eat the chemistry list of substance (including the dangerous ones) daily. They need the other asian and africa natural resources including food.
China? Generous? I think it's beyond my imagination
I support Indonesia love from Philippines!
無論中國對北納土納爭議島的佔領有多大的決心，都不會讓印尼有絲毫的顫抖，印尼是一個愛好和平的國家，並不意味著弱國。
印尼是在南海南边吗？
我们这边几乎没有印尼的新闻，地理不太好，好像和菲律宾挨着是吧
这是哪里来的挑拨离间，英文媒体看多了吧，中国重来没有表示对纳士纳群岛有野心，只有一点点的争议水域，而且中国很少有印尼的新闻，主要是因为印尼作为一个2亿人口的国家，东盟的影响力还不如新加坡。
不要拿中国的领海开玩笑，也不要逼中国人。
AWAS !!! CIA AMRIK !!!! TUKANG ADU DOMBA DUNIA !!!!!!
China really has horrible geographic boundaries, it is forced to make such claims, be it "legal" or not.
They are locked from the open ocean
China has goid relationship with central asian countires without border dispute,
and Japan has Island problem with all its neighbours,
True
@@Emilechen 🤣🤣🤣
Seriously wumao, you guys are getting funier by the day. As if we dont get news about vietnam and cambodia, or you shitheads trying to enroach Mongolia or Kazakhstan.
@@Emilechen China has border dispute with Kyrgyzstan over Pamir mountain.
What about the history of the failure of the Yuan Dynasty from mainland China against its invasion of the Nusantara (the forerunner of the Indonesian state) which in the classical way of the Mongol-Chinese versus the Javanese Empire was Kublai Khan's last military expedition. On the other hand, Majapahit became the most powerful state of its time in the archipelago.
Thats why we make it happen right now... Today china is the greatest nation in the world... We will take what part of our cultural heritage including south East china sea
@@dragonemperor202 Nope, Mongolia will conquer and annex pitiful China once again. Lol.
These islands have always been part of Indonesia. Bravo for Indonesia to stand up militarily to the bully China. If you give up one inch to China, they will ask for mile. We all see what Putin Russia is doing to Ukraine. Never forget that Xi and Putin are the same type of people.
lol. After this war. Putin is really a paper tiger. China paid too much respect for him early. The best final for Russia is being Chinese canada.
@@user-wp2ny3wy8t The best final for China is to be the closest ally with Putin, Russia. That's what Chinese Xi has been saying all along. We all know the true color of China. Oh well, Xi and Putin should join together to form a coalition of tiger + dragon. Isn't that a perfect picture?
@@johnji3537 u know nothing about political and military. Shut up plz. PLA can defeat Russian army with 1 finger
@@user-wp2ny3wy8t post war likely putin gonna transfer all technology to china for not get leaked by west, china is best manufacturing in the world even USA know that
😂its fun to see people talk anyhow and imagine alot of stuff that never happened. indonesian are like this?
Diplomacy is Better, however Indonesia need to build massive missiles ground-to-sea or sea-to-sea or air-to-sea capable as much as possible to defend its EEZ teritory on all Indonesian EEZ Teritory (of course Natunas offshore included). Sea Guerilla Asymetric approach can be optimized as doctrine of EEZ Defense System.
Indonesia do not have the relevant industrial capability to build such missiles, nor will any foreign states bother selling them to Indonesia.
@@hullopillow4853 Ukrainians War might trigger the willing of Indonesian Goverment to take agresive turn to wake up and do the necessary things to improve its defense Industry. Indonesia has to colaborate with Japan and France.
@@marendradika Empty talk my dear. Ukraine or not has nothing to do with whether western nations will be willing to sell 1,000km+ range ballistic missiles to the nation Indonesia, much less with anti-ship capability which most nations does have. And what strategic benefit does they get from those selling to Indonesia(assuming Japan and France have long range anti-ship ballastic missile, which they doesn't) ? And what does Indonesia has got to do with Ukraine, when the conflict is essentially a US vs Russia great power struggle using Ukraine as the proxy and battleground ? Talking without substance does not shed much insight on the matter my dear. Before talking about sale, ask yourself why should Japan/France "collaborate" when Indonesia don't have much weapon development capability to offer ?
EEZ refers only to your special right to special right to explore and exploit marine resources, including energy production from water and wind. It doesn't mean it is your territory, it is still international waters. Your territorial waters is only from your shore extending 12 miles out to the sea.
@@hullopillow4853 …and may I know why these 1,000 Km++ missiles wouldn’t be trusted to Indonesia? Since I too thought a joint effort on weapons development is too far fetched.
…hopefully you’d not think that ‘only’ ASEAN nations apart from PRC are into these waters 😞
Its weird that china can claimed a rock far from its closest habitation, while indonesia at least has people living in the nearest island 🤔🤔🤔
Bet they have a history book telling them that their sailors sailed to Mars/moon too
do you want to tell that to uk, us , france.
And it's top notch ironic when they claim north natuna sea from history like they did not just do a cultural revolution a while while back.
@@kimeli yes, does US, UK, and France has territorial dispute in the same level as china?
Sending love from ph🇵🇭 indo is like a brother to us
Japan surrendered on August 15, Indonesia became independent on August 17. So Indonesia has become a sovereign country, no longer a Dutch colony.
The only threat to peace is usa and its dogs
Indonesia Merdeka.
Yes, but you all never claim the south china seas. Those days where got 200 naut mile eez?
@@two_sillys_trap no, Indonesia has never made a claim to the South China Sea, in this case the North Natuna Sea. And regarding the EEZ, we follow the UNCLOS regulations and China has also ratified it
@@adanpratama8710 You are not worth to say that if you are not an indunixian
This video release after China asean built stronger line, Thats how US divide conquer tactics work
CNA is biased against China for US interests. There is no dispute with China .
US is busy creating an Asian version of the Ukrain warfare.
This channel is a west backed stooge media
where are the replies ?
@@demiglas7942 TH-cam censorship. They shadow ban the replies so that the public can't see it. American tactics to manipulate the flow of information.
THIS FROM COTABATO CITY, MAGUINDANAO ,MINDANAO,PHILIPPINES, I LIKE INDONESIA MY INHERITANCE WAS FROM INDONESIA, THATS WHY I LOVE THIS COUNTRY.
Indonesia needs to press its claims, and limit China's forever expanding territory grab.
China claimed this sea area in 1934, and at that time, the countries surrounding the South China Sea were Western colonies, and did not have the ownership of the sea area of Xuancheng, and no one objected at that time
@@ouyangon5711 so? What going on 1945?
@@ouyangon5711 Jika China memang menginginkan Natuna segera rebutlah dan jangan banyak bicara..!! Jika China memang menghendaki perang dengan Indonesia maka kami rakyat Indonesia akan selalu siap menyambut tantangan tersebut dengan GEMBIRA..!!
@@ouyangon5711Kesini lah ambil laut yang kalian klaim itu, tapi jangan pernah berpikir bahwa kami akan diam saja seperti negara-negara ASEAN lainnya.
It's funny when a former Chinese diplomat said that on 1945 only China was a sovereign country standing tall after the defeat of Japan and there are no independent and sovereign countries in the South-East Asia region. If I recall, Indonesia declare its independence on 17 August 1945 which, in fact, contradicts what the honorable diplomat has said. If we want to go beyond that, then Thailand was also an independent and sovereign country in the region, having not been colonized by any imperial power, both from Europe and Japan. So, did he think his historical comic class could help him? Did he really want to go back to the past to the point where the Majapahit Empire controls the trade in the area and challenged the Chinese dynasty's domination at the time? Stop referring to your history so you won't be ashamed of it
Interestingly, Japan surrendered at 0903 I on the SECOND day of SEPTEMBER, 1945.
Indonesia is strong and the best 💚🇮🇩
Indonesia dan china baik2 saja.
Kita jangan mau di adu domba pihak sekutu. Kebetulan tetangga kita ( singapura ) adalh sekutu barat.
Mereka mau adu domba kita dgn china. Meeeka ingin negara kita berkomplik dgn china...
Selama china tidak agresif di natuna maka kita jgn sensitif dgn china
betul banget, emang negara barat ada yang mau investasi berat dan besar kayak china di indonesia, enggak yg ada kita diperas mulu.
eh kau, singapur lebih besar drpd cina invesnya
Tidack Agrosef bigimini ligih
Setuju sign statement kamu... Singapore is the Jew of Asia... Kami warga Malaysia menyokong Indonesia dlm mempertahankan kedaulatan tanah air mereka...
Dalam gelaran rapit TNI 2022 seminggu yang lalu Indonesia menyatakan kalau china menjadi ancaman nyata bagi Indonesia untuk sekarang dan menanggulangi intervensi china dalam melakukan tindakan pelanggaran
Kami rakyat indonesia siapapun yg mengganggu kami, bukan cuma Tentara indonesia yang maju berperang,kami rakyat indonesia akan selalu di garda terdepan mempertahakan wilayah kami,
13:17 Indonesia became independent on August 17, 1945 after Japan surrendered
"no independent Indonesia in 1945" Looks like someone failed history class
I think the report is relatively fair by having scholars from China and Indonesia, lean more towards Indonesia with more representatives and longer speeches. It's also some what informative. I'm interested to see how will the high speed rail look like next year
indeed for maritime boundaries there are some problems with China.
But in terms of economic and strategic cooperation, Indonesia and China are very compact
This means that China actually has an interest in always being close to Indonesia in many ways
Indonesia doesnt even border south china sea
@@user-xz7yq5bt9v apparently you forgot about the 9 dash line
@@12time12 do you know what the 11 dash line was?
Natuna are part of china empire... We just take what belong to ours like russian take ukraine
@@dragonemperor202 in your dream.go sleep kids.dont play youtube
Only indonesia dares to fight china hegemony in LCS.
jgn ngayal lu
@@nagawahyudi Cuma indonesia yg masih rajin berpatroli di laut natuna utara....3 negara ini sudah tidak berani berpatroli diwilayahnya.
VN: kep.paracel
PH: kep.spratly
MY: kep.layang-layang
@@nagawahyudi emang bener. Negara ASEAN lain itu ada yg diem2 aja padahal lautnya diklaim China lebih besar. Banyak orang Filipina juga bilang cuma Indonesia yg berani gertak Cina. Negara ASEAN lain kek takut. Wajar sih, militer Indonesia jauh di atas negara ASEAN lain. Yg mendekati cuma Vietnam.
@@manusiabahagia7081 dengan kapal 3 biji... udah gitu ongkosnya mahal lagi... sampe kapan??
How do you fight ? Sometimes the ignorance of Indonesians is disturbing. Your entire Navy tonnage do not even match up to half that of Chinese Coastal Guard. So we are not even talking about the PLAN here. Fight ?
Go Indonesia! Philippines support & are behind you 🇮🇩🇵🇭
Philippines is going to end up like Ukraine. Indonesia will survive, in neutrality.
why you behind, side by side must be
coloniAL HANGOVER d0NKE Y SUPPORT? INDO have dispute with Malaysia and Vietnam way more.
They are pushing you into the fight and watch from sidelines
Not clever enough
We support Save Natuna Save Indonesia. Salva Ukraine. Asia is the best land to live. ASEAN must act now and here at this point for the peaceful region and territorial integrity.
How dare you put Indonesia in one line with Nazi Ukraine! Indonesians will never forget how Ukraine support Israel oppressing our Muslims fellow in Palestine.
We will solve our own issue with China and certainly we don't need fake support from US and its lapdogs! GTFO!
OKAY, Mr. National Endowment fo Democracy
if only Asia's leaders are willing to collaborate in harmony and concentrate their resources for humanitarian cause...
they've kicked kublai khan in the past...
Malaysia claims the Indonesian islands and seas, and China claims the Indonesian Natuna seas. Indonesia is a country that doesn't like war, Indonesia is a peaceful and peaceful country, all countries are jealous of the wealth of Indonesian earth and sea products. and Indonesia must fully safeguard its land and sea sovereignty from foreign countries who want to seize Indonesian property rights. 🇮🇩👍
it's really funny CNA brought this topic back, Indonesia and China no longer have tension in Natuna, and if China wants to attack Indonesia they have to think twice because there are Russia, America, Australia who will help Indonesia, and in addition a few days ago Indonesia conducted joint military exercises with America and 13 other countries in Indonesia and the military exercise was named Garuda Shield.
for the last, Indonesia rarely buys military equipment from China, several years ago China gave free artillery to Indonesia and it exploded when doing military exercises, even many Indonesians criticized not to buy military equipment from China anymore.
yakin di bantu amerika ???
@@lordkim9662 gak ada bantuan yg gratis,😂
Berani2nya anda bilang aussie dan Amerika membantu?! Memalukan komentar lu tod
@@lordkim9662 sekarang lu pikir pake logika dan geopolitik, kalo misal China di biarin aja serang Indo trus misal China menang otomatis China bakal hadap2an langsung sama Australia.
Amerika bakal lakuin apapun buat lindungi Australia karna mereka masih satu keluarga sama Inggris, Amerika, dan kebanyakan warga Australia masih keturunan Inggris sama kayak Amerika.
kalo lu belajar sejarah Indo ada beberapa keputusan Amerika buat bantu Indo tapi saat "darurat".
@@tank_boat yakin boss amerika mau perang 2 front ?? ... WW2 aja mereka maen keroyokan , coba aja dulu by1 sama jerman , amerika pasti keok
India stands with Indonesia 🇮🇳🤝🇮🇩
Hope the people in Asia to be continued working in unison with the united Asian countries as a whole. They have the intelligence, wisdoms and means to reject the warmongers' evil divide and conquer schemes and are keeping on the great processes of building their peace and prosperity in the East.
Singapore is a puppet state of the West, it is proven by participating in providing sanctions for Russia
@@satriobudiarjo3881 The same Asian country, China, rejected the Hague's ruling in China v Philippines regarding the South China Sea claims, which is internationally binding, and proceeded to violate that legal ruling and built military bases off Philippines' coasts?
@@nexu6517 China should also set up an international arbitration tribunal.
What the world needs more than anything is peace and harmony between nations.
China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela and North Korea all need to modify their system of governance, create systems where the people have the say in most things and are respected as humans, not cattle, pull their heads in and stop their belligerent and trouble-making ways.
No one in Europe wants to invade Russia and no one in the world wants to invade China.
All that's needed is honest, respectful governments who are mostly truthful.
@@globalanti-hegemonicallian200 Can China guarantee that international arbitration tribunal also act independently of the Communist Party? With China's track record, I highly doubt so. Your name says anti-hegemonic but in truth, you only seek to promote China's hegemony.
How on earth is China claiming it to be part of its territory whilst the Chinese territory stops way up north bordering Vietnam. It doesn't really make sense to name the region as South China Sea as it's surrounded by the likes of Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam & Singapore.
Your shallow understanding of history make you incapable to understand. Indonesia has less than 100 years of history and compare with China as a nation, 3000 years.
They are claiming it by history. They made their 9-dash line (originally 11 dash line) claim in 1947 citing an old chinese map detailing the 9-dash line. They said nobody among the neighbors objected to it so it means they agree to it.
The claims of the other countries are by the EEZ which was just implemented in the early 1990s, way before the 9-dashh line. Anyway, nothing will get settled until all the disputing nations will sit down together and arrive to a multilateral decision.
@@camiatube you are naive if you think these bases are built for your Asean. in the perspective of China, you are just like an ant, no existed threat. these just for your Daddy
@@camiatube Because the US wants to have a military presence in the South China Sea, China's biggest enemy is the US and not Southeast Asia
So we are going to play the map game. That so called dotted map was created in 1947. There is a map from the Spanish empire era from 1734 of the Spanish Captaincy General of the Philippines which shows "Los Bajos de Paragua" (known today has the Spratly islands) off what is the island of "Paragua" (known today has Palawan) has being part of the Philippines.
Close up map of the area - upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Bajos_de_Paragua%2C_detail_in_Carta_Hydrographica_y_Chorographica_de_las_Yslas_Filipinas.jpg
Information on the map - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velarde_map
Human greed is the root cause of conflicts between countries which lead to human misery.
The area should be converted into an all inclusive ASEAN zone similar to the one in the North Sea whereby the natural energy and marine resources will be accessible to all the countries in ASEAN, with the rightful claimants having a bigger quota.
So how do you decide on who are the "rightful claimants" ? And do you have the military force to back up your territorial claims ?
The Greediest is British.
@@hullopillow4853
A consensus and agreement can be worked out by all the ASEAN countries in the region to settle their territorial disputes amicably.
The rightful claimants in this case, are Indonesia which claims EEZ, China which claims Nine-dash line, followed by Malaysia, Philippines and Brunei which are within geographical proximity.
Corrects, just simple share of profit to others neighbours country if thats from Int waters around those regions.
There is no reason why a quota based, workable and mutually agreed arrangement,similar to the one in the North Sea, cannot be achieved.
The area has enough reserves, both energy and maritime, for all the countries in the ASEAN region.
At the moment, the rest of the ASEAN members will just let the two claimants, Indonesia and China, fight it out.
However, if everyone one has a share, then as stake holders, they will protect their interests and make an effort to keep the region free from war.
I must applaud Indonesians standing up to China bully, Vietnam should follow and don't be coward.
China has never claimed the Natuna Sea and China is Indonesia second investor country after Singapore
why are there so many comments as if there is no problem between Indonesia and China?? lately it's clear that China wants to take over Natuna and even prohibits and protest against Indonesia when drilling for oil, even though they can usually protest against Indonesia to the United Nations and demean Indonesia if we can't fight them, I don't want to be suspicious, but I've seen a lot of people who support and it's as if comments that Indonesia and China have not happened, because I am the person who always observes before commenting and I want to say that those who comment are the majority of Chinese Indonesians, I have seen and observed these comments for a long time, both on Instagram, TH-cam, and tiktok
Dealing with Japan is better than China , because China is very tricky that won't deal fairly without getting something else out of you but Japanese is just pure business without string attached .Thank you for reading and paying attention to my comments
You need know japan past atrocities done to Asian countries. The past history can effected the present.
Even with the autricities in the past, Japans aere true to themselves, mewnwhile China is sneaky
Saya adalah orang INDONESIA . INDONESIA adalah tanah air saya tanah kelahiran saya dimana saya hidup dengan penuh damai hingga tumbuh dewasa dengan lingkungan Kami yg damai dan tentram, bangsa indonesia sangat cinta damai. Kami bangsa indonesia yg selalu akan bersatu untuk mempertahankan apa yg menjadi milik kita apa yg sudah kita miliki apa yg sudah menjadi ranah air tercinta kami, ingat kami takan pernah takut dan gentar dengan bangsa manapun dengan alat canggih apapun karna dalam raga jiwa raga bangsa indonesia telah nengalir darah perjuangan hingga titik darah akhir demi mempertahankan kedaulatan bangsa indonesia. NKRI HARGA MATI. BANGSA KAMI CINTA DAMAI BUKAN BERARTI LEMAH.😎
Great to hear bahasa again, I have been working from 2006 to 2014 in Malaysia. Very comfortable and friendly country, miss it a lot.
Americans are with you Indonesia! Stand up and protect your sovereignty!!!
last time you did, you installed a dictator
@@alexanderkarvos6728 yeah well, Indonesians should freely elect their leaders. They should decide their future not us or China.
@@alexanderkarvos6728😂
cna need to check their source and evaluate their motives to bring this solved issue up to the surface .
cna will lose its credibility amongst its loyal viewers , otherwise
CNA = CIA controlled medias
Singapore is a puppet state of the West, it is proven by participating in providing sanctions for Russia
Stop seeking confirmation biases as well. Just because a video makes you feel uncomfortable does not mean its wrong. Go ahead and tell me what CNA got wrong in the video? What about your motives?
2 days ago, Chinese MoFA says that they won't even negotiate with such matter by making up history that Natuna was Chinese territory, even though it wasn't even occupied during Anglo-Dutch treaty 🥴
@@nexu6517 Mr. Eiman, Propaganda has made us to believe that the US has a military presence in Asia, cuz the Asian countries have requested it to do so. This is not true. No one has asked the US to "Help" subsume China cuz China NEVER been meddling or aggressor countries. China is not "The Enemy" of nobody. China is a nation of Peace. China does not attack anyone. China does not invade any sovereign country. Not even in 1,000 years of its history has it done this: NEVER! China does not steal the resources of other sovereign nations. China does not interfere in anyone's internal or political affairs. China defends its borders and defends itself from foreign invasions. China does NOT have Military Bases outside its national territory. The US has 800 Military Bases scattered around the world and 93 of these Bases are in front of China. It is time for the countries of Asia to unite as Europe is united, and Latin America will be united. The US has no Territorial nor Marine Rights in Asia and the US has nothing to do in Asia. US is very far from its border limits. US does not "Help" anyone. The countries of Asia can defend themselves ALONE! and do not need the US to "Defend" them. And... The China Sea belongs to China. That is a verifiable Fact.
The back of the hand on the forehead at 4:08. I did not know that Indonesians do this too. I thought it was an exclusive Filipino gesture. Happy to see that.
Wake up, Indonesia. The non alignment is a matter of past. On top if it, you are a democracy. And A democracy sides with a fellow democracy when facing tyranny.
This is call a quarrel…..
It will all be settled soon.
Even lovers have quarrels.
not only soon. it's been a year since we solve the matter
Dispute among Asian neighbours with similar culture, easy to settle as long as the Devil USA and the gang don’t get involved.
Singapore is a puppet state of the West, it is proven by participating in providing sanctions for Russia
@@irchammaulana4928
No.
Singapore is a realist.
The west are controlling the world economy and they force the neutral countries to side them.
Singapore rely a lot on the western countries…..so it had no choice.
I stand with peaceful nation like Indonesia not to get intimidated by bigger nation thought are powerful enough to rule the world.
we indonesians not afraid with anyone who going to stop us on becoming develop country in 2045 indonesia emas
wether its china WTO, or the west
we will fight for our nation
and i relly love it when susi pujiastuti that make out sovereignity not being question
bissmillah indonesia maju
Begitulah ASEAN ngakunya bersaudara tp kerap mengganggu ZEE negara lain pantasan ASEAN gak pernah bs bersatu melawan musuh yg lbh besar yaitu China
@@rizkimirliansa idih najis aku bersekutu sama Malay dan Timor Leste
@@rizkimirliansa dulu pernah digagas, tapi gagal karena monyet semenanjung malaya lebih memilih jadi babu British, klo mau cita-cita penyatuan Melayu Raya, syaratnya hancurkan dulu negara boneka federasi Malaysia bentukan Inggris
CNA should have interviewed Evan Laksmana for a better insight (and more competent) from an Indonesian perspective. I'm not sure if this Achmad guy explain it clearly 27:38
The only threat to peace is usa and its dogs.
CNA needs to manufacture a certain narrative.. the whole production reeks of ulterior motives.
Both country have good will and good intention to solve this with negotiation or at least not to escalate this dispute.
Now i Understand why Indonesia defense minister buy NEW 42 Rafale, 24 F-15ex, 6 Submarines,16 Fregat and 4 landing ship. I think it's enough to punch China Vessel on the sea, beside 300+ old Indonesian Navy Vessel and 400+ existing air power. Natuna sea is to far from China main land, it's will be dangerous situation for China if made a wrong step with Indonesia.⚠️
Setahu saya tidak ada konflik teritori antara Indonesia dan China. China dgn tegas mengakui kedaulatan teritori Indonesia atas Natuna.
Yg jd masalah adalah ZEE/EEZ Indonesia dan Nine Dash Line China.
Sy pikir nanti akan ada jalan perundingan diplomatis spt yg kita lakukan dgn negara2 tetangga lain masalah ZEE.
Tp dgn syarat Indonesia mengakui Nine Dash Line dan China mengakui ZEE Indonesia dan kompensasi lainnya
Thanks untuk informasi pokok permasalahannya coba tak cari tahu buat keterangan lebih lanjut.
Sama saja egois di musuhi banyak negara-negara tetangga 😂
UNLCOS lagi Ditukar dengan 9 Dash line china sama seperti menjual diri.. Indonesia lagi ditarik china supaya ga menggunakan UNLCOS sbg dasar
Makanya kita harus pintar menilai politik adu domba oleh bangsa barat& sekutunya di Asean seperti Singapura.
China harus menghargai UNCLOS 1982 karena mereka jg ad d dlm nya,,, n Indonesia jg tidak mengakui nidesline/ klaim sepihak yg d lakukan China d perairan Asean ,,, you orang antek China
Indonesia saat ini tdk akan mampu menghadapi angkatan laut China sendirian saat ini. Tapi Indonesia masih terus secara bertahap membangun kekuatan Angkatan Laut. Kalau sesuai target, 10 tahun lagi Angkatan Laut Indonesia akan mampu. Dgn berbagai program pangadaan alutsista dan Transfer of technologi di bidang Industri Pertahanan.
JANGAN MAU DI ADU DIMBA INGRIS & CIA AMRIK !!!! SEPERTI DI EROPA TIMUR !!!! VS EROPA BARAT !!!!CIA JAHAT DAN JAHANAM !!!! DAJJAL !!!!SUDAH HANCURKAN JASIRAH ARAB. !!!!!!
Anjing lu.. Bencong lu
Menjijikan sekali anda bilang indonesia tidak mampu. Tanpa senjata pun nyali kami tidak pernah pudar
ASEAN stronger together
Every country should protect its rights and territory, and so does INDONESIA. Hopefully in the future Indonesia will be stronger in all its fields. 💪💪❤❤💪💪.
Hmmm, since a major incident already occurred in 2016.
Did it help to decrease the fish theft or had it continue and grow?
I think it is best to seize those ships (give them to Indonesia's fishers at low cost (or exchange for a portion of their 2-5% of their gain)
Increase penalty to drive up the cost of the bandit's operation.
That's the problem, the Chinese will buy back those ships again from the Indonesian, that's why they were blowing up and sinking illegal fishing ships instead of selling it back in the market
Indonesia should be smart enough to negotiate the best deal for itself, instead of thinking of solving issues with military. Military strength is only meant to better negotiations possibility.
Nope Genghis Khan army is becoming looser in Indonesia. Communist army backing up by mao Zedong is killed in Indonesia. More than 1 Millon die in that even. Just in 1 month
I agree with Dr. Yan Yan and this Indian-looking lady in this video post. Natuna Islands are clearly in Indonesia's EEZ. In 2016 International Arbitration ruled in favor to Philippines' UNCLOS and EEZ filed complaints that China has been violating. China's Nine-Dash Line is absurd. Apart from its coastline extending and their neighbors' 200 nautical miles, South China Sea is an international waters - in line with current International Law and historical facts. China's mainland CCP wasn't recognized a sovereign country until 1947.
Yes, Professor Shankari Sundadaraman is the India national-looking lady. I agree with her. Correction: Mainland China's CCP was never recognized until 1949. Their Nine-Dash Line claim is against historical facts and truth.
Indonesia love peacefull ❤️🇮🇩 and very cooperative many of countries around the world 👍
Indonesia never disturb China's political interests in South China Sea, but China often our economical interest in North Natuna Sea.
See the difference?
China has an ambition that effect all countries in the region.
Japan surrender at 2 Sep, Indonesia declared the independence at 17 Aug 1945... So when that chinese guy said that there's no 1945 Indonesia, he's completely wrong
What we want is our part of island that taken by the dutch during 1884, it was borneo and all natuna and solomon island, in 1777 they were part of the qing dynasty
@@dragonemperor202 not chinese republic then, so stfu. Wants Indonesia to claim as Majapahit too? They got Natuna and Borneo in 1500s and before... Doubt people in borneo and natuna wants to join a commie
@@dragonemperor202 so your country is actually own by mongol empire or Japanese imperial according to your logic
The Natunas belong to Indonesia without any doubt. From Thailand
We Indonesian people are ready to die for our pride
Indonesia has a gift sent from heaven and that is CHINA PRC. What country in the history of Indonesia has EVER offered what CHINA PRC has offered to Indonesia ? NOT one & that is USA/ UK/JAPAN/ NETHERLANDS.
The only threat to peace is usa and its dogs
Ppl in the comments still thinking military might is enough. Indonesian military is lacking the tech but surplus manpower. And economically Indonesia doesnt have what it takes to hold prolonged economic fallout if things turn to sour
Indonesia has the most deadly weapon. that's kadroon..
@@lifeisneverthesame910 The K-Drone
@@lifeisneverthesame910 lmaooo, don't forget our most sophisticated armament, the nasi bungkus 😎
Indonesia had internet army. their internet bully power is unmatched 👍
But for real tho. Indonesia doesn't really have a real enemies to fought.
China ? They prefer to invest in our country to get richer.
Aussie, USA ? Waste of money, it's better to rig the election, puppet a leader, or spark an internal conflict.
Semangat indonesiaku ❤️
*Natuna is no issue.The issue is Australia with the backing of the US is still illegally occupying and militarising several oil,gas & marine resources rich Indonesian islands since WW1*
both are issues
why are there so many comments as if there is no problem between Indonesia and China?? lately it's clear that China wants to take over Natuna and even prohibits and protest against Indonesia when drilling for oil, even though they can usually protest against Indonesia to the United Nations and demean Indonesia if we can't fight them, I don't want to be suspicious, but I've seen a lot of people who support and it's as if comments that Indonesia and China have not happened, because I am the person who always observes before commenting and I want to say that those who comment are the majority of Chinese Indonesians, I have seen and observed these comments for a long time, both on Instagram, TH-cam, and tiktok
@UCdUMo7AfOeWOwDriCVNUWaw you need accept the fact, because I have made observations for a long time, including cases of corona, satellite, Natuna, I have observed anyone who always denies and defends China when it is mentioned and most of them are Indonesian Chinese, I do it almost on various social media and I don't say all but the majority do.
And also West West Papua massacred in indonesia
As separate nations, we will have our differences, but I want to be proud that are certain virtues in our part of the world than can bring us together, that we may solve the issues and work in harmony.
We should find the common thinking and attitudes in the broader regional culture that bind us together. Some societies from the further sides of the world may see things very differently -- I wouldn't want such forces to tear us all apart. I want to be proud that we do things differently here, as a region.
Asean countries should unite against the issue of the 9 dash line.
It's already finalized at the UNCLOS Hague's ruling: it's a bogus.
Not for Singapore. Not our problem
@@John_Smith_86 who's "our", the Chinese?
@@lastChang China aggression in the South China Sea is not Singapore's problem
Non alignment yes
good job Indonesia
take care ur land and territory from evil 😈
from eny country
#BRAVO TNI POLRI PENJAGA NKRI
Indonesia is the strongest among the ASEAN nations. The Philippines is a good friend ,neighbor and related too. My Mom's cousin married an Indonesian, they have children and live in Jakarta.
Please remember that the Indonesian Javanese defeated the militarily superior Yuan Chinese when they invaded Java in 1292-1293
Yuan is a Mongolian dynasty.
@@chingpu Yuan is a Chinese Dynasty. The fact that the ruling elite was Mongolian is irrelevant
@@RayshiaRoman
So when the Momgolian empire expanded to the Middle East and Europe, it was considered China invading these areas as well? How about when they invaded Song dynasty(the China then),it is also considered as "China invaded China" as well? Come on! When you said "the ruling elite was Mongolian is irrelevant.", you showed that you had no arguments already. It is not that when you said it is irrelevant, it becomes irrelevant. You have to know that the Mongolian empire kept expanding and invading other countries. It was not the Chinese culture that made them try to conquer everything they saw. It was the nature of that Mongolian empire. You should know better than that. Don't frame that to China.
@@chingpu Idiot. The Mongolian Empire and the Yuan Empire are two different entities. The Yuan dynasty was a successor of the Mongolian Empire. They are not the same. Learn more history. Your feelings on the subject is irrelevant. Both the Yuan and Qing dynasty is accepted as a Chinese dynasty. They have the Mandate of Heaven and the Chinese at the time accepted their rule.
@@chingpu in the mid 13th century, Tibet was officially incorporated into the territory of China's Yuan dynasty. Tibetan Buddhists' good will of Mongol rule was what made Tibet a part of China. Otherwise, Tibetan Buddhists do not have much sympathy for the Chinese.
if we apply your logic that Yuan dynasty is essentially Mongolian and Not related to China, Tibet should be made a free country. is it not ?
First, there are structural weaknesses such as its size. Singapore is a city-state that can be toured in one day with a bicycle and this affects everything: “here everything is strategic:
there is no distinction between the tactical and the strategic. Singapore vulnerability and insecurity makes itself start talking about china issues. On the other hand both china and Indonesia are busy focusing on themselves and have positive relationship. new high speed train will be opened in Indonesia running at 350 km/h(long live china Indonesia friendship) .
History has taught us: when you make friends with China 🇨🇳, it always takes advantage of you.
@@lastChang
Your coffin is calling for you
This is just a documentary. CNA likes to make documentary.
@@lastChang americans will do the same too but they also want regime change and the CIA had done it before.
The high speed train is recently being questioned as problematic. It is estimated that it will now take 40 years for its investment to become profitable, twice as long as initial estimates, due to plans to relocate the country's capital city.
Indonesia is independent, not rely on to chinese neither US, both welcomed, but if indonesian disturbed, they never afraid going war with anybody, they are very bravely even they don't have any nuclear weapon indeed
Tukang kompor sudah jelas singapore dan malasia 2 negara tetangga tersebut senang melihat indonesia banyak konflik biar investor gak berani masuk indonesia malasia sering membiarkan narkoba masuk indonesia lewat negara blm lagi malasia sering mengirim teroris untuk merusuh indonesia belum lagi singapore tempat penampungan koruptor😎
Waspada sekutu barat...mereka punya negara boneka
Propaganda from Singaporean news channel. 🤧
Demi ibu pertiwi... Kuatkanlah kami sebagai warga negara indonesia masalah yang dihadapi. Kami sudah merasakan keperihan penjahahan, perang dunia 2, komunis, fasisme soeharto, dan krisis moneter. Kembalikan lah kekuatan laut kami seperti nenek moyang kami, seperti di saat kerajaan majapahit!
Dharmendra is very Indian sounding name...also the fisherman in the video named 'Indra' is Indian name...as Indra is the God of thunder of Hindus(sanatanis) ...We probably had historical connection....
@@miliaurora1038 apa anda kira saya orang india dengan membaca nama saya? indonesia memang dahulu mempunyai kerajaan hindu buddha dll, apa anda kira hindu indonesia dengan hindu india sama?🤣
wow, the timing
13:41 Did he forget 1949 October 1? The actual founding of the People's Republic of China?
We are talking about sovereignty issue here, whether it is ROC, PRC, Qing dynasty, they are just like different parties that representing a nation i.e. China. Thus, China's claims were long existed before any member of ASEAN came into existence as a sovereign nation.
@@tupolevi Chinese people made up the Chinese state, Indonesian made up the Indonesian state, Thais made up the Thai state, Vietnamese made up the Vietnamese state and so forth. So, if China existed as a sovereign nation, so did the others.
@@samo4003
So?
Definition:
A sovereign state is a state with its own institutions and populations that has a permanent population, territory, and government. It must also have the right and capacity to make treaties and other agreements with other states.
People and their lands doesn't constituted as a sovereign nation, they still need a governing system i.e. institutions for laws and order, in order to be considered as a "sovereign state".
It is not my own definition nor only the Chinese, go and ask the people who work in the United Nation if you are still in doubt.
@@tupolevi You mean places where the Thais, Vietnamese, Indonesians, etc. lived did not have a permanent population, territory, and government at the same time as the Chinese? You mean these people did not have their own kingdom and histories like the Chinese? If so, that would seem to be a very selective application of the definition of souvereign state to just the Chinese.
@@samo4003
Ask the United Nation, I am not their representative lah.
The South China Sea doesn't need to be debated in the media, as long as the two countries are willing to speak well in interpreting each of the articles in the unclos. This is not about entering into the territory of another country but there is only overlapping on exclusive economic zone, which can be solved nicely together
Exactly.... I can't believe Singapore media is acting like western media.
Did Asean countries debate when they annex china spratlies, knowingly violate sinojapan treaty and China 11 dash sea made known in the UN.
@@rafaelw8115 what a joke? Asean countries that annex spratlies did not debate. They sent navies to annex them.
Did UK debate when Argentina annex Falklands????
UK is a democratic country.
China response to sent their navies to regain control of their scs is an appropriate response to Asean countries violating china sovereign in spratlies stated in the sinojapan treaty after ww2. Just as UK sending their navies to reclaim Falklands.
@@rafaelw8115 who cares for your European debate . Argentina and s American countries should be in the debate too.
International media or eurpian controlled media?
You do not know what you are talking about.
@@rafaelw8115 Liar????? Do u ever read history. Scs was china since the han dynasty and they administered them right up to the ching dynasty . After ww2 Japan return them to china in the sinojapan treaty as obligated in the Potsdam and Cairo declaration.
China then claim the surrounding waters as 11 dash made known in the UN.
China had more reason to own scs than UK and USA robbing natives islands all over the world's ocean.