Mid Growth Care for Container Determinate Tomatoes: Staking, Feeding, Mulching & Pruning
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- All the steps for caring for your container determinate tomatoes at mid growth. I show you how to stake and prune them. I show you how I top dress the containers with organic fertilizers and worm castings and well as water them in with fish emulsion. This is everything you need to do to get them ready for great production.
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Gary Pilarchik (The Rusted Garden) I tried the worm casting tea and worm castings from Vermisterra, I am really impressed with the benifits to my garden and containered plants! Thankyou for this sugestion!
I really love it in the containers too. Good luck.
What do people use bone meal for?
@@THERUSTEDGARDEN I also forgot to ask do you use the organic slow release food all year about twice a month all year? thanks
Gary, I really appreciate your videos. As someone who just recently got into gardening, they have been a valuable resource. Two weeks ago I bought two tomato plants. Now I have 50 plants, read three books, and watched hours of videos. I'm certainly learning, but it seems like every answer uncovers more questions. The reason I really like your videos is that you are really good at explaining the ideas instead of just saying what you do. They have really helped me understand so many things that were confusing to me.
Something that I'm really curious about your thoughts on is the fabric container pots. They seem interesting, but I figure there is a good reason why I have never heard you mention them. Thank you for everything.
Yep. There are 1000 roads to growing. Pick the one you like the most and modify. Conditions vary garden to garden. Fabric is fine. I just actually never bought them. And am just using up what I have. I also like the terracotta color. Black fabric bags attract too much heat in my area come mid summer. If they had terracotta fabric... I'm in.
Definitely one of the best videos that I have found and I have trawled through quite a few today. Thanks.
Growing some determinates for the first time this year. Thanks for the tips!
Nope. Good luck. I would say start a 2nd wave as the first matures and dies back, you have new transplants ready to go.
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So helpful! And straight to the point. Great tips! Keep up the great work. Thanks for sharing your knowledge...some of us really need hope, these days. Even in Atlantic Canada.
Great advice. I’m knowingly growing determinate and indeterminate tomatoes this year. All the past times I’d pick up whatever seed pack impressed me… I was clueless to the two basic kinds. 😂
I’m eager to see how well I do this year. I’ve watched many of your videos throughout the winter months in preparation for this season’s planting. Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
Glad to help and good luck this year. Have fun.
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Such beautiful and healthy looking plants Gary. I am having one of my best years with everything in the garden. I am knocking on wood, because the last time it was this good a hail storm destroyed my garden. Take care.
Yeah knock. Me too, it is now 65 here and rainy. Was 85 and humid. Perfect weather for leaf spots and worry.
Thanks for the information!
Great video and thank you for sharing!🤗🤗
Glad to share
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Good idea on 2 stakes. I cage mine. Overall interesting, informative video
I watched Hollis and Nancy and He said they start both indeterminate and determinate together, they grow the determinate because it produces tomatoes earlier while the indeterminate get started, so it extends their tomato eating time. I never thought of it that way so I will be growing them both from now on. I LOVE TOMATOES! thnx for the info. I am just doing my research and learning more.
Thanks
GOOD VIDEO,GOOD LOOK'N PLANTS!!!
So far so good.
Beautiful garden.. Thanks for sharing
Thanks and thanks for watching.
Your tomatoes are looking great. Mine are looking perfect too, I hope they stay that way. :)
Cheers to that.
Thanks you for your information, I have alot to learn.
Glad to help
You tomatoes looks healthy, can’t wait to plant in May .
Lets hope they look as good for 2019. Good luck.
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Used them same bamboo stakes for my mini pot garden, cut them in 1/2 and used nylon rope to make a cage. Great video as always
I like that design.
Daniel Witzel do you use tulle?
Thank you about your video . I like it My house have a lot tomato look like you 😀👍💐🌺
Thanks
Thanks for sharing!
Glad to share
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You are sooooo right about the fish emulsion 😂😂peeee yooouuuu
Effective but smelly
gwen27405 I use it sparingly, it attracts Racoons, Fox, neighborhood cats&dogs, and yes my own retriever loves it 😕too.
Linda Hipple wow. I didn't know that. I said when I was done with the one I got, I wasn't getting it anymore. I'm getting the worm tea, hopefully it won't attract "attention"
I use the fish fertilizer because of the amino acids, micro-nutrients and other benefits of ocean caught fish, the stuff I use also has kelp. It stinks to the high heavens but is cost effective to use. I mostly use Neptunes by the gallon, and I discovered a cheaper fish fertilizer (Just Scentsational) on Amazon that is priced around 16 for a gallon.
@@lindahipple4817 This was my question. We have stray cats, really don't want them in my yard rolling around on my veggies, lol!
Gary you are a wonderful teacher. I appreciate all your teachings, very inspiring.
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Son muchas variedades...
Superb video! I'm only growing determinates this year, mostly indoors under lights so it was helpful to know that some light pruning and twine tying to stakes is helpful. Also, I didn't realize that tomatoes can absorb water-soluble fertilizer through their leaves. I'm assuming that also means you can spray a weak CalMag solution on the leaves as well. Keep us posted on your determinates. I'm always looking for another variety to try.
I hope that goes well. Yep weak calmag is a good way to go to nourish them. Yeah let me know how they do indoors.
Thx Gary
Yep
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I feel like you read my mind when you post videos! I just got a bunch of container tomatoes going this week and was wondering the best way to stake or cage them. Can you distribute compost the same way you did the worm castings? Thanks for the video and advice!
Yep just go with compost the same way. Good luck.
What is your opinion on using wood ash for determinate tomatoes in pots?
Great video as always, Gary, very informative. How often do you top dress with the granular slow release fertilizer? Thanks!
It varies on how they look.... but a handful in the planting hole and around at planting, a handful to top dress mid-growth when tomatoes form. And if they are still going, 1 more time when they have been producing.
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Thank you so much for all the information you provide. Is cedar a good mulch for container tomatoes?
So, I dont see why not. Never heard of it as an issue.
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11:42.. NPK I learned something
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Try using Trifecta plus from Migardener, best fertilizer you can get.
It is effective. I like mixing my own components though.
HELP: I have issues with my determinate caused by a number of mistakes. I originally had it in a 2.5 gal container. It grew to about 4 ft tall and made 3 fruit. Two of them had blossom end rot. I then moved the plant to a 5 gal container and removed the two tomatoes with blossom end rot. Its been a week since I moved it to the 5 gal container. Not seeing any new flowers but the plant leaves have always looked healthy. The one tomato I have left looks good but is still green and doesnt seem to be ripening.
What should I do at this point? Is there any saving the plant? I live in hot texas btw where weather can reach 100 degrees. There were a couple other flowers when the original tomatoes grew but they didnt bloom anything. Would pruning the one tomato help the roots grow into the new pot? Should I remove old flower formations?
Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks.
Excellent video! What would you think of using water from my aquarium (freshwater) to water tomatoes?
You can do that. It has low nitrogen in it.
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Gary, I thought there were three times to fertilize. #1 at first planting #2 at flower set and #3 at fruiting?
Well, dependent on plant but that is a general rule that is okay to follow. Flower and fruit are often close like with these plants. And generally speaking #3 is just ongoing water soluble feedings. But as I like to teach, adapt to your preference. Lots of ways to do it.
How often do you apply the fish emulsion? Every 10 days or so? Your tomatoes look awssome! 🍅🍅🍅
10-14 days longer when smaller.
Put my bet on you with the tomato challenge.... :)
Wise... LOL thanks. I hope to get 2nd video done today weather permitting.
I like the info you present and your style. No repeating yourself. Subscribed. Hello from Melbourne, Australia. Do you know what zone I would be according to american zones?
Cheers and appreciated. I am really trying to get my channel out to Australia as my garden is in winter when you all are growing. I want to stay connected to growing gardens. So the zones are crazy and often dont make sense even here but for me... I am in Maryland. East coast (more northern) of the US where we get 4 seasons. So we have frost showing near the end of October and frost chance early May. Our ground freezes and couple an inch or in late December, January and February. LOL a long winded way to describe it but that is more valuable than saying zone 7. Do you get frost and freeze of any sort? If not your are more like our southeast area.
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I do. The large 100s stayed filled and the bags by them you see in videos 5, 10 and 20s stayed filled.
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Thanks for the video. This is my first time growing determinate tomatoes ( Betalux, Cream Sausage, and Minibel ... all from Baker Creek) and have been wondering how the "how-to's" were different from indeterminate. Determinate is recommended for my 7500 ft elevation. I started mine indoors, transplanted them into 3 gallon buckets, and I already have lots of flowers and lots of tomatoes coming on. I have been bringing them in most nights because our night temps have been in the upper 40s, a couple of nights in low 50s.
That works. Never thought of elevation. Good luck.
For general watering can you water from the top getting the leaves wer or is it better to wster at the soil only??
It is safe to do either. No one way is better.
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can I plant bush green beans in a 5 gallon container with the det Tom's?
Yep thats a good combo.
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can you use miracle gro water soluble fertilizer on the leaves like you did with the fish emotion
Jackie why would you want to use a Monsanto product that kills your microbes and beneficial bacteria and fungi. no offense. use compost and make a tea to promote good microbe growth.
Yes. You can use Miracle Gro. It will do the same thing. Miracle Gro isn't any different than any other man-made fertilizers.
You can use Miracle Gro or the like from other companies. As noted some people don't like Monsanto but yes the water solubles will get absorb through leaves.
Bingo. I agree.
Jackie, as you can tell from the responses you have already received, this is a highly debatable issue. Gary doesn't mind chemical fertilizers. So I assume he would say yes. I fall into the group that prefers natural fertilizers. So I would use a compost or worm casting tea. Fish fertilizer is another good one...but quite high in nitrogen so you need to be careful that you don't create a situation where you have lots of follage and no fruit.
OK i was thinking opposite. I have indeterminate tomatoes. They are doing really well, I just planted them within the last week so lol ( GA ) . I have my pots on my deck. some say remove suckers some say dont? Guess that is just your preference?
Really is preference based on size management you want.
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Hi Gary, can you do a video about tomato flowers falling/drying off before fruits have time to set? Thanks! Waiting for your beefsteak video, too.0
So they fall because of the environment. Too hot, too cold or other stress. You can really fix but to let them work it out. If it would stop storming I could do the beefsteak video today.
Gary Pilarchik (The Rusted Garden) too hot probably. I put them in part shade to avoid the scorching sun but the overall temp has been5 around high 90sF since April. Thanks Gary.
I am attempting to grow my first tomato plant, which is a determinate Ace 55. It's like having a first child, as I am learning as I go, and I loved this video. I think I staked my plant too close, and now have a small dark area where it was up against the stake (which I just removed after watching this video). I also had it in a tomato cage, and it seems rather crowded at the top third with the leaves on top of each other, so I plan to change to your method. My question: I have been using Alaska liquid fish fertilizer, but didn't realize I could pour it over the top of leaves, as I was under the impression that the leaves don't like to get wet. (Again, continuing to learn.) My plant and the pot is about the same size as what you were working on. You said you were using a gallon as you fertilized, but then you fertilized two plants. Is that per plant?
The leaf and getting wet is kind of a myth. Diseases will spread no matter what and rain soak the leaves. The Gallon can cover many plants. A quick leaf soak if you want and about 5-10 second pour around the base. Thats plenty. Good luck
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What are your thoughts on planting indeterminate tomatoes in fabric pots?
Ive doing that for a while. I actually sell fabric pots now and use that product. 20 gallon is perfect for an indeterminate and 10 gallon is great for determinates
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lol yesterday I used fish fertilzer..... bad idea for a bbq day lol
Yep.
can you use pressed seaweed for tomato plants.
You can for sure.
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how often do you feed them? As in how you did it you in the video. Is it possible to over feed and cause issues?
Yesssss. Over feeding is an issue and can look like under feeding and people then and more fertilizer. Low NPK numbers every 10-14 days. Less is better. If you notice any yellowing you can give them a little more. But if you stay on a routine, it usually works.
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How often do u use organic fertilizer +worm casting? And how often do u use fish fertilizer?
Varies greatly. General rule for larger plants, every 14 days or so.
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I grew my tomatoes from tomatoes I bought and used. How do i know if the are determinant or indeterminant?
You cant without looking up their name.
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I live in southern Va...30 miles or so from NC border..i cant find determinate tomatoes anywhere! Nurseries dont even know what they are..dont want to grow from seed..looking for plants..are they regional?
You can grow them from seed. They grow quickly. You can start now. Roma, San Marzano. Lots of them.
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Thanks for all your info! I really appreciate your content. I have a few containers with tomatoes and chilis and are wondering the following concerning liquid fertilizing:
1. I have seen advice from others that change NPK ratio during bloom, lowering N and raising PK. Do you think there is any point in changing NPK ratio during bloom? I know you dicuss Calcium and BER in several videos, but how about NPK? Here you give fish emulsion with a 3-1-1 ratio. In other videos you recommend a balanced ratio like 5-5-5 or 10-10-10, but I'm not sure if you recommend it through the whole life cycle?
2. I have two sub-irrigated containers for two tomato plants. How would you go about fertilizing? Putting liquid fertilizer in the water reservoire or directly on the soil? Would nutrient uptake by the plant differ in any way?
So there is truth that but I find it a bit complicated in timing. FE is pretty low but it supplies what is needed. The bottom line is if the NPK is there and not depleted it doesnt matter significantly. However when you increase to higher levels you do see changes but not as much as you might think, if you always have nutrients avaialble at low levels. I found reducing nitrogen was key as to reduce the number of leaves on my tomatoes for disease reasons and for peppers as it does shift them into prodcution of fruit and flowers and less leaves. The reason I went to recommending a 5-5-5 is it just simplifies things. I would water the plants and top of soil with your water soluble and pick one that has nitrogen equal to or lower that NPK when plants are mid size. That is close to enough for the idea you are describing. The bases is plants grow naturally in composted materials, the NPK in compost is well below a 1-1-1 but a constant supply. Compost grown plants are always spectacular.
Thanks for the answer. That sounds reasonable. So from what I can gather, in good pre-mixed fertilized soil I can go from a fairly equal ratio to a slight increase in PK during mid-size / early bloom. It's unfortunate I don't have enough plants to do a real test myself on the idea.
Yep that is a good summary. I do like eperiments too. If you ever get there try a container of 50% real compost. It really is an eye opener. I wish I could make more but I cant so I supplement.
First year doing a determinant tomato in a 5 gallon bucket- a bush early girl. It was looking and doing amazing but then we got such heat and humidity that many many blossoms didn’t fertilize- PA Zone 6. We’ve gotten 9 tomatoes off the plant with 7 on the plant turning green now but that’s it. I can count 23 blossoms that didn’t set fruit. So disappointed.
Too hot. The shade cloth would help in the future.
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Gary, do you ever keep your tomato leaves (when you take them down) and use them to make tomato leaf spray for pest infestations?
Miriam Caro I’ve never had success with that, I don’t know why 🤷🏻♀️
Nikki Cooper I haven’t tried it myself. I Did a search for organic pest control and saw the tomato leaf spray remedy on a gardening website. I would like to try it though just to see if it works. But I figure it probably doesn’t, because if it did, Gary would probably know about it! 😄
Miriam Caro worm tea and compost tea are both great options, they aren’t free like leaves of course. I wish you success if you do try it. I didn’t notice the smell attracting tomato loving pests but I have heard that mentioned as a possible issue as well. I’m certainly not an expert though. Good luck!
Nikki Cooper Thanks! 🍅
I know this video is old but what are the determinate varieties you are using in this video or still use/recommend today? I am an army wife so we move every few years and container gardening is convenient for our nomad life :) I have tried Roma, Tiny Tim and Red Robin but would love to experiment with other varieties. I have containers ranging from 5 to 15 gallon sizes! Any suggestions are welcome :)
Sorry I cant recall. I only use Tiny Tim now as my dwarf types.
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Is it ok to place the container tomatoes this close? I can't see spacing containers 24-36 inches apart. I would have no room. My tomatoes had about 12" on each side last year and did surprisingly well in the hot and humid weather. But it could have just been beginners luck. I want to make sure I'm not spacing then too close, but I always hear 24-36" and I can't do that. Yours look pretty close.
Yeah close is fine.
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Wish my stems could be that thick and healthy.
And I love how the plant branches too, awesome.
I hope they get there
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Is indeterminate tomato care different from determinate variety? Can I use vermicompost for tomatoes plants, plants in south India, very, very hot, my indeterminate plants are 3feet high,how to make fish emulsion?,I hope I am not silly,
You can use that amendment on anything. Yeah, determinate you mostly let grow. Indeterminates need to be staked and pruned and managed for size.
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Is that really all the 'water' you give them though? So they aren't 'drawing' water from the whole container?
They are watered regularly over the week. Maybe for the video it looks like too little.
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determinates don't need pruning. Only if the bottom leaves touch the dirt.
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Where do I get determinate and if I lost the packet how do I know if its indeterminate but most of my seeds I buy are indeterminate that are sold near me?
So much damn rain this past week or so... gaaaah! My tomatoes are actually growing roots from the stem above the soil that are trying to reach down to the dirt. Too much damn water.
Maybe prune up some and top with soil to bury the new root sprouts? I'm sure it can't be good for the plant with those roots exposed right?
Mine are doing the same in transplant cups. Mounding up is ok. The roots will actually just dry out normally but if the rain keeps coming they will keep growing.
Doesn't the fish emulsion attract undesirable "critters?"
Yep it can. When of the negatives to fish emulsion, blood meal, bone meal, all animal products. They can bring critters. That is why when needed chemical ferts are fine.
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Eventually I will be doing live q and a. I may start that in the fall.
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We are vegetarian so we can't use Fish Emulsion. Instead of that what Fertilizer I can use?
I would use something like Miracle Gro at 1/2 strength. No animal products. Otherwise you just have to check the labels or the different brands of organic water solubles as they vary a lot.
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I'm surprised two stakes are enough
More is better.
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Why don’t u put them in the garden
I keep them in different containers for teaching.
The stakes are too high
Stephen He has great harvests so I’d say his stakes are fine.
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Well you don't have to use the excess.
too normal!! we done best than...