Should be interesting, the whole 19mm vs 14mm issue is a super interesting point to bring up, especially as, at least here in the UK you can't buy the VTX & camera sets yet. Something I will keep an eye on. I learned something today!
1:11 I do like this. On my analog FPV plane I have quite the 'busy' OSD up. Artificial horizon, altitude, heading, all sorts of cool stuff like that. And that's something I won't have with the DJI HD system on my Kaos 60 build.
Tell Fabio he's doing an awesome job those overlays look excellent! I see the opportunity for you to add all sorts of info in overlays like highlighting features or listing information, measurements, etc. As for VTX temps I'd imagine temp protection would shut it off around 105-120c max, but maybe it's off or not working, 110c is when heat significantly starts to reduce the lifespan of electronics and much beyond that should result in very quick failure. Good call not letting it get past 115c
If it hasn't already been mentioned in the comments, "for whatever reason, Artisyn (sp) is making similar technology available to 3rd parties" could very possibly have to do with an exclusivity agreement that was signed with DJI for X amount of time, and that ran out. Happens all the time in tech.
This video is gold. Wreckless abandon testing. Full send. Just plugging stuff in to see if it will work,...hoping it doesn't fry. Seems like something I would do.
Thank you for this Very honest, and straight forward content on the new system. I, and many others really appreciate you being straight forward, and looking out for us all, in the pursuit of better video for our FPV journey. This really helps me trust that you will continue to make content that is always in the best interest of the pilots, and not skew the results for Monterey purposes like some other content creators out there.
Really hoped that these would just be made with DJI stuff to maintain compatibility. Having 3 entirely different systems makes everything way too compliated for my taste. Hope that HDZero can increase the color range at some point. Basically only HDZero sorta seems promissing at this point to me...
Robert Droner FPV is a rather small market. If there are too many players none of the parties will have enough resources to flesh out their product to a satisfying degree (stuff like improvements, more diverse versions, etc). This wouldn’t be a problem if all were cross compatible like with analogue. But sigh... this becomes too messy.
Why is it that the only system, HDZero, with by far ... Not even close ... To as good of penetration of solid objects, is the only holding any promise for you? Oh, and don't forget that HDZero is the only system that has gobs and gobs of image distortion in the form of snow, fuzz, and those wonderful vertical rainbow colored bars that completely engulf the image. I agree, Carl is a good dude, and has the FPV communities back, and is trying to give us all the features we desire, but let's face the facts... His system is far, far inferior in performance, distortion on screen, and especially the ability to penetrate objects. Good dude - YES! Good system - well, if a distant 3rd place is good, then ok, yes too. 🤷😀🙄
Nice testing JB, answers some more questions there. Unfortunately the non compatibility with caddx/dji ensures that I continue my run of never giving fatshark a single cent of my money. At this stage I will continue happily feeding caddx/DJI more money whenever I build a new quad, just like I did a couple of days ago.
Agreed! Why people are so enamored with Fatshart when they have been THE LEAST responsive to adding simple little features, over the years, is beyond me! Ultra slow to release new products too. Yet, DJI has given us the very best digital system and picture quality FPV has ever seen... By far! And people hate on DJI! IMO, it's the guys that don't think they can afford DJI, yet the other systems are now more money! Especially when the new HDZero goggles come out and that system also becomes more money to purchase than DJI. And NO, I'm not sticking a tack on, hokey, Jerry Rigged module on top of my goggles! Only total dorks do that! The ultimate in hokey and goofy looking! 😂🙄
I love that little fan... for what it's worth I have a really nice usb powered plastic fan that is easy to transport and move some good air. I was thinking of designing a "workbench" for FPV with a fan built in so there you go world, a free idea that is kind of obvious but then again, most of them are after we see the solution that the new design provides. And lots of commercial products operate around that 85C range, that is the temp that the manufacturers design the product to endure... military goes higher, up to I think 125C and the low temp is down there, like -55C, that might be the commercial spec but that is cold enough as it is! Good product designs will often "temp cycle" from that -55C to the highs of 85C or higher up and down over and over to artificially age their designs and to also help them look for weak spots in the design that can be fixed before going to full production. Some will even have the product attached to a multi axis vibe table to give the components a little "shake"! Also, think about it, do you really think that DJI would be willing to "share" any of their code, or electronics and IC's, etc...? Not likely, I do think what Joshua is saying in this video sounds reasonable and definitely could be accurate. I do like how Joshua is saying to also go listen to others that might know more like Tommy from Umagawd or Mads Tech or others that are knowledgeable... I have always tried to go with the truth even when it is uncomfortable or against me because in the end anything else is just playing games and politics... My name here on YT "Genjitsu" is a Japanese word that roughly means "actual reality" A word I learned almost 30 years ago from the teams at Toyota and have tried to live by as much as possible. Not always easy, for example lets say that you say something and later find out you were wrong, how do you handle it? Deny, deflect, talk about it being "conditional" or do you simply say - I got it wrong, I missed this or that because of this or that, will add this to my lessons learned. Take off your rose colored glasses, decouple your ego from "things" and let the facts and truth help everyone get to the very best solutions for all of us. Cheers!
Hey Josh I just purchased my radio master radio transmitter after watching what you talking about the one that just came out I really appreciate all the help you gave me and hope to see you or talk to you soon
@Bardwell If you were looking at budget as a driving factor, would you keep your analogue goggle (O30) and buy the WS goggle? Or buy the HDZero goggles and use a WS VRX? I already have the VRX and feel my analogue systems would be better with something like rapid fire. I've been weighing pros and cons and just can't make a decision. I don't want to abandon analogue altogether for my micros and park flyers.
If you're serious about analog hdzero is a great experience but hard to justify the price of you already have an 03o. , and you can keep using your walksnail vrx.
If you're already on dji there is no reason to make the switch unless you're a fatshark fanboy Their biggest selling point at this stage is 1080p and even so that comes with draw backs. I still fly dji on 25mbs and have zero want or need for clearer image and i can still run analogue on my dji goggles so one set does both for me
I ended up buying the Skyzone Cobra X v2 to go with my DJI v2's 😎🙌. I still fly analog on my long range planes and fly dji on stuff that won't go further than 3 miles 🙃
JB: No, DJI {stuff} doesn't work. Me: Instant loss of interest. Thanks JB. I've been thinking about getting those Goggles as they look nice and compact. You saved me a lot of money. I am backing you on Patreon and the amount of money you saved me is still waaaay above what I am pledging in years. Time to throw a coffee in ;-)
Hahaha, awesome that's the exact fan that I use for cooling my vtx's!! I bought it to wear under my coveralls on hot days. Wearing fire retardant coveralls in plus 40 heat is torture.
of topic question. I have recently bought a new happy model ep1 elrs receiver and I soldered to uart2 on the fc and now my battery doesn't show voltage in my dji goggles. What did I do wrong
I will probably get them if they have better range than my dji goggles. I have to watch the signal strength all the time which takes some of the fun away.
How far are you going? I see people going 5+km on them regularly with better than average antennas. Many even go to 10km. That is not ultra long range, but seems to be plenty to me.
It won't be affected by your signal quality, but the data used to draw the osd won't make it to your goggles reliably. Check long range tests for hdzero, the osd stops updating at some point
I hope that someday they will make it cheaper. I can get a decent analog setup for 250 usd, but I have to pay 600+ for dji/ Fatshark. Artosyn is nerver ever charging so much for a chipset and at some point there then also isnt alot of RnD either.
Gotta say I'm pretty disappointed. I really want to get into digital FPV but, right now seems like a bad time to pick a system to go with. Hopefully the new DJI system comes out soon and is awesome.🤞🏼 Thanks for the video Bardwell!
I'm still holding out for one with proper sound tbph. I have a DJI Air Unit on my Kaos 60 FPV build because it at least records sound locally for the DVR but it's so damn quiet that it needs a lot of poking in Post to be audible even on a nitro bird like I'm flying. And it doesn't broadcast audio whatsoever, so it can't be heard by the pilot in first person and it won't show up on goggle DVR. Some of us DO want to hear our shit! I fly exclusively nitro and engine noise is a large part of why, so I want that feedback in my headset. Plus if I ever get into BVLOS FPV I'm gonna need that feedback to alert me to potential engine trouble BEFORE the engine quits outright.
16:50 No mention of sound though. Shame. The companies making these HD systems need to realize there's a few of us who want sound in our systems. Currently DJI's awful awful setup is the bset of the HD systems, and even then only if you're pulling from the air unit for your DVR.
I’d love to know if you been disappointed if you had to pay for these ? I’m thinking there a huge disappointment for all the hype and cost ! Maybe in the future it will better as of right Id say there not the ones to buy!
Its not clear that this was to block DJI - from a business POV that makes no sense and takes engineering effort at a time when it seems like they were cutting every available corner to get the thing out.
Everyone is saying that these are not a dji goggle, then they did a good job trying to look like a dji product. Fatshark has not had actual recessed buttons with molded trim around them. They always used an electronic button under an overlay like a button on a microwave. And, the hardware such as screws and strap buckles look identical to what is used on dji products. If you have taken apart a Mavic, Phantom, Mini, etc all the attaching hardware and metal hold downs are the same as dji. Possibly purchased from the same supplier like what is used for frames and such but just seems a little weird. I also have tried cameras but dji to dji. The camera cables on the AU and Caddix are the exact same as the cable in the original Mavic Pro. I took a Mavic 4k camera and plugged into a Vista and it didn't work and that is with the same manufacturer. Haven't tried an AU but sure of the same outcome. I'm just skeptical of all of this but I do hope that FS WS improve.
@@JoshuaBardwell ok i thought u just put the dji camera on the walksnail mipi all am talking about the bare cable itself off a dji setup and put it between the walksnail vtx and the walksnail camera ... Would be nice all my spares would work on walksnail
Did you ever find out if the VTX would simply continue to overheat and destroy itself or do something sensible like reduce the power? Inquiring minds want to know!!! 🙃
@Joshua Bardwell may I ask. Have you at any point whilst flying have you thought... "Wow those oleds make it look sooo much better than on my dji goggles" ?
i do know that when i fly with my DJI system i wil never think to myself dang i wish i was looking at a oled. DJI is the best lol, i mostly fly over grass and wile flying i can see the individual blades of grass, unlike the smeer with these goggles
Hey Joshua, have you tried the 21.22.4 firmware yet? I saw someone saying with that firmware the walksnail system is a lot less blurry and about on par with DJI now. So I’d love to get your feedback on that.
I have been watching a while now over the last few months and finally, totally jumped in for FPV. I fly DJI camera drones already and nothing in the FPV world comes any where near close to that quality. But what we have for FPV right now - this looks like a good investment... I only fly the best analog gear available for my FPV stuff, and this will surely covert me, I am sure.....Your videos - as well as others - have helped me decide to finally make the leap to digital. Kudos...
For low latency video... The camera drones don't do low latency. It's a latency game here. The dji fpv DRONE, dji fpv system, and walksnail on 1080 flying slow come very very close to a dji Mavic video feed man. But with a Mavic, like I said it's latency is much higher... But it doesn't matter, or you don't notice, because your not controlling the quad manually, the accelerometer, and software is helping to control the drone the further away it gets.
This is a good positive video. I agree this may get really good to come soon!! Looking forward to this new stuff coming out! Thanks for being honest opinion
really hope people can give fatshark a decent chance to nail this product. this hobby is small, innovation and breakthroughs dont come quickly or easily, lots of our gear wasnt totally ready for consumers, we are mostly pro-sumers, and should be ready for hickups and workarounds and higher level personal involvement in the development of our gear. i could list a bunch of stuff that didnt pass mustard and went on to become the best products available, the eagle micro, the og jumper tx16, the dji v1 itself, elrs, so please guys, remember early adopters are taking the risk for everybody else.
Why? There is a more stable product already available that offers superior image quality, widespread adoption, standard frame mounting, and supports a radio link. You're saying that people should buy this in *hopes* that it will improve, but it's literally inferior and more expensive. There's certainly no guarantee that Fat Shark will support it in the long haul, or that Walksnail won't just close up shop in six months. Based on how hard every single FPV retailer is pushing orders of this thing, there's already a hint of desperation in the air.
@@TheDiegoAranda all fair points, i just mean, if you can afford to be an early adopter, it would benefit us all in the long run. so thats the only answer to '' why?'' plus osd and oled screens and superior optics and ergonomic design. and i dont think theres a hint of desperation, i think theres a mountain of it. a lot money is on the table for these guys,
So unless I’m missing something, there is absolutely no way to use these with a simulator? I mean, the way to get DJI working with sims is absolutely ridiculous, but they’re not at all in touch with the FPV Community. This is Fatshark and Caddx/Walksnail and they didn’t think some form of input would be important enough to include?! Yet another reason these goggles are a complete disappointment..
100% i would buy them right now if i could use them on my computer and get the full 1080p oled. if they do something like dji then it will down grade the 1080p making it a waste of $ for crap image on a computer. sad my goggles 6 years ago i could use with my computer but the low resolution was bad now that they offer 1080p oled they dont give us video in.
For sure, i loathe using my DJI goggles for sim, but at least there IS a way. Plus, fpv-wtf seems to think that HDMI In via USB-C is a possibility in the future, which would be fantastic. Like most reviewers have said, most of the current flaws with the Fatshark/Walksnail goggles could be fixed with future updates (though I highly doubt they’ll ever even be as good as DJI v2), the lack of input is a fundamental flaw that will be a dealbreaker for many FPV pilots. Maybe v2 of this goggle will hit closer to the mark. 🙏🏻
How did you get DJI V2 goggles working with sims? I tried using that analog RCA cable adapter a guy from Europe did a video on, but the quality was horrendous! Not viewable and I tried two very different adapters. Thanks for detailed info! 👍
When doing the range test. Don't try to point the antennas at the ground... The signal is actually bouncing out of the lower parking deck, off the surrounding environment, and up to the top deck
This is shaping up to be the worst FPV release in FPV history, which is not old enough to have history! Smoke and mirrors abound with locking up folks into systems.
maybe if they get the 50 megabits working the video would look a lot better. as of now i would pay $299 for this system. come on walksnail get the firmware out to make this system worth the price. with no video in i would have a hard time paying more than $450 for this system
You would really think that if one of the two camera options was so blatantly worse that *someone* would have noticed before, you know, shipping a defective piece of crap. But apparently something like that happening is entirely within the realm of possibility for this clown show. I trust ummagawd about a million times more than Mr Steele, so I'll wait to see what he has to say about it.
![Freestyle with Fat Shark Dominator? [testing new Avatar HD firmware]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jiXEWYUuTfc/mqdefault.jpg)
Should be interesting, the whole 19mm vs 14mm issue is a super interesting point to bring up, especially as, at least here in the UK you can't buy the VTX & camera sets yet. Something I will keep an eye on.
I learned something today!
Now that is an unbiased, straightforward, no bs, no grey area opinion/review. You're the man JB! Keep it coming!
1:11 I do like this. On my analog FPV plane I have quite the 'busy' OSD up. Artificial horizon, altitude, heading, all sorts of cool stuff like that. And that's something I won't have with the DJI HD system on my Kaos 60 build.
Tell Fabio he's doing an awesome job those overlays look excellent! I see the opportunity for you to add all sorts of info in overlays like highlighting features or listing information, measurements, etc. As for VTX temps I'd imagine temp protection would shut it off around 105-120c max, but maybe it's off or not working, 110c is when heat significantly starts to reduce the lifespan of electronics and much beyond that should result in very quick failure. Good call not letting it get past 115c
Thanks man :)
@@FabioPansera its cool how you even answered him on the video real quick by saying no prob. Nice one
@@Sylo2Nice Haha, I thought it was going to be funny :)) Glad you liked it too :)
Glad to see ya using the fan there buddy :)
If it hasn't already been mentioned in the comments, "for whatever reason, Artisyn (sp) is making similar technology available to 3rd parties" could very possibly have to do with an exclusivity agreement that was signed with DJI for X amount of time, and that ran out. Happens all the time in tech.
Thanks!
Hmmm, such a simple idea to cool down the vista/air unit on the bench. Today I learned what I will do with a small leftover blower fan.😁
I also use a neck/waist fan to keep my vista's cool - LOVE IT
This video is gold. Wreckless abandon testing. Full send. Just plugging stuff in to see if it will work,...hoping it doesn't fry. Seems like something I would do.
I honestly love that you tried to bind with DJI instead of just stating the obvious. That's part of what makes this content fun.
Thank you for this Very honest, and straight forward content on the new system. I, and many others really appreciate you being straight forward, and looking out for us all, in the pursuit of better video for our FPV journey. This really helps me trust that you will continue to make content that is always in the best interest of the pilots, and not skew the results for Monterey purposes like some other content creators out there.
Really hoped that these would just be made with DJI stuff to maintain compatibility. Having 3 entirely different systems makes everything way too compliated for my taste. Hope that HDZero can increase the color range at some point. Basically only HDZero sorta seems promissing at this point to me...
I was about to make almost the exact same comment. =P
But compatibility is not diversity. Diversity brings lower prices through competition - better for all of us, no?
Robert Droner FPV is a rather small market. If there are too many players none of the parties will have enough resources to flesh out their product to a satisfying degree (stuff like improvements, more diverse versions, etc). This wouldn’t be a problem if all were cross compatible like with analogue. But sigh... this becomes too messy.
I'm hoping the root hacks eventually enable usage of the DJI vtsxs.
Why is it that the only system, HDZero, with by far ... Not even close ... To as good of penetration of solid objects, is the only holding any promise for you? Oh, and don't forget that HDZero is the only system that has gobs and gobs of image distortion in the form of snow, fuzz, and those wonderful vertical rainbow colored bars that completely engulf the image.
I agree, Carl is a good dude, and has the FPV communities back, and is trying to give us all the features we desire, but let's face the facts... His system is far, far inferior in performance, distortion on screen, and especially the ability to penetrate objects. Good dude - YES!
Good system - well, if a distant 3rd place is good, then ok, yes too. 🤷😀🙄
Ďakujeme.
Nice testing JB, answers some more questions there. Unfortunately the non compatibility with caddx/dji ensures that I continue my run of never giving fatshark a single cent of my money. At this stage I will continue happily feeding caddx/DJI more money whenever I build a new quad, just like I did a couple of days ago.
Agreed! Why people are so enamored with Fatshart when they have been THE LEAST responsive to adding simple little features, over the years, is beyond me! Ultra slow to release new products too.
Yet, DJI has given us the very best digital system and picture quality FPV has ever seen... By far! And people hate on DJI!
IMO, it's the guys that don't think they can afford DJI, yet the other systems are now more money! Especially when the new HDZero goggles come out and that system also becomes more money to purchase than DJI. And NO, I'm not sticking a tack on, hokey, Jerry Rigged module on top of my goggles! Only total dorks do that! The ultimate in hokey and goofy looking! 😂🙄
I love that little fan... for what it's worth I have a really nice usb powered plastic fan that is easy to transport and move some good air. I was thinking of designing a "workbench" for FPV with a fan built in so there you go world, a free idea that is kind of obvious but then again, most of them are after we see the solution that the new design provides.
And lots of commercial products operate around that 85C range, that is the temp that the manufacturers design the product to endure... military goes higher, up to I think 125C and the low temp is down there, like -55C, that might be the commercial spec but that is cold enough as it is!
Good product designs will often "temp cycle" from that -55C to the highs of 85C or higher up and down over and over to artificially age their designs and to also help them look for weak spots in the design that can be fixed before going to full production. Some will even have the product attached to a multi axis vibe table to give the components a little "shake"!
Also, think about it, do you really think that DJI would be willing to "share" any of their code, or electronics and IC's, etc...? Not likely, I do think what Joshua is saying in this video sounds reasonable and definitely could be accurate. I do like how Joshua is saying to also go listen to others that might know more like Tommy from Umagawd or Mads Tech or others that are knowledgeable...
I have always tried to go with the truth even when it is uncomfortable or against me because in the end anything else is just playing games and politics... My name here on YT "Genjitsu" is a Japanese word that roughly means "actual reality" A word I learned almost 30 years ago from the teams at Toyota and have tried to live by as much as possible.
Not always easy, for example lets say that you say something and later find out you were wrong, how do you handle it? Deny, deflect, talk about it being "conditional" or do you simply say - I got it wrong, I missed this or that because of this or that, will add this to my lessons learned.
Take off your rose colored glasses, decouple your ego from "things" and let the facts and truth help everyone get to the very best solutions for all of us. Cheers!
Hey Josh I just purchased my radio master radio transmitter after watching what you talking about the one that just came out I really appreciate all the help you gave me and hope to see you or talk to you soon
Thanks Joshua for checking the heat and all the other stuff. Your videos on this have been super helpful
Thank you Sensei Bardwel
I am loving this circus show! 🤡
Really Bad time to get into digital system. I'm sticking with my analog.
@Bardwell If you were looking at budget as a driving factor, would you keep your analogue goggle (O30) and buy the WS goggle? Or buy the HDZero goggles and use a WS VRX? I already have the VRX and feel my analogue systems would be better with something like rapid fire. I've been weighing pros and cons and just can't make a decision. I don't want to abandon analogue altogether for my micros and park flyers.
If you're serious about analog hdzero is a great experience but hard to justify the price of you already have an 03o. , and you can keep using your walksnail vrx.
The tabs in the camera are pulling double duty. Looks like they apply pressure to the mipi connector, which also pushes on the board. Simple solution.
Thanks for the detailed info JB!
If you're already on dji there is no reason to make the switch unless you're a fatshark fanboy Their biggest selling point at this stage is 1080p and even so that comes with draw backs. I still fly dji on 25mbs and have zero want or need for clearer image and i can still run analogue on my dji goggles so one set does both for me
What did they say about the VTX powering down or frying itself?
quality content as always. Keep on :)
I ended up buying the Skyzone Cobra X v2 to go with my DJI v2's 😎🙌. I still fly analog on my long range planes and fly dji on stuff that won't go further than 3 miles 🙃
I can't fly analog anymore, makes me sick....LMAO.
Just over here taking notes 📝
JB: No, DJI {stuff} doesn't work.
Me: Instant loss of interest.
Thanks JB. I've been thinking about getting those Goggles as they look nice and compact.
You saved me a lot of money. I am backing you on Patreon and the amount of money you saved me is still waaaay above what I am pledging in years.
Time to throw a coffee in ;-)
Hahaha, awesome that's the exact fan that I use for cooling my vtx's!! I bought it to wear under my coveralls on hot days. Wearing fire retardant coveralls in plus 40 heat is torture.
why where fire retardant coveralls?
In the vrx module I can switch the camera to 4:3, would that be stretching the image?
of topic question. I have recently bought a new happy model ep1 elrs receiver and I soldered to uart2 on the fc and now my battery doesn't show voltage in my dji goggles. What did I do wrong
Do these have a gyro to work with a gimbal?
I will probably get them if they have better range than my dji goggles. I have to watch the signal strength all the time which takes some of the fun away.
How far are you going? I see people going 5+km on them regularly with better than average antennas. Many even go to 10km. That is not ultra long range, but seems to be plenty to me.
Hi Joshua... what about kiss or fl1 osd???
Great Video 🤘
Does that mean that the OSD never goes blurry because of range along with the video?
It can't go blurry - its drawn on the goggle.
It won't be affected by your signal quality, but the data used to draw the osd won't make it to your goggles reliably. Check long range tests for hdzero, the osd stops updating at some point
Great video, hope u can make a quick video on the new firmware asap 😊
ware did you get those wonderful antennas
Does the walk shark system interfere with analog video like the dji system does?
almost certainly, it's a radio signal so will interfere just like analogue can kick a DJI out the air if switched on on close frequency.
Yes
Why did your parts drawer say " battery straps use sparingly"?
Do you need to use the Walkersnail Avatar VTX with the Fatshark Dominators or would any regular 5.8GHz goggles work? Any help would be appreciated!
No, only the Walksnail vTX works with the Fat Shark Dominator / Walksnail Avatar goggles. It's a closed system.
Walksnail is one of my favorite weird manufacturer brand names. It's up there with Foxeeeeeeeeeer.
Will this work with analog drones?
How well does it work with other DJI, HDZ, Analog and Fatsnail Pilots in the air at the same time?
Same as DJI, more or less.
I hope that someday they will make it cheaper. I can get a decent analog setup for 250 usd, but I have to pay 600+ for dji/ Fatshark.
Artosyn is nerver ever charging so much for a chipset and at some point there then also isnt alot of RnD either.
Do you think they would bind together if they had the same firmware ? Who else takes such chances with their hard to get equipment
Gotta say I'm pretty disappointed. I really want to get into digital FPV but, right now seems like a bad time to pick a system to go with. Hopefully the new DJI system comes out soon and is awesome.🤞🏼 Thanks for the video Bardwell!
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I'm still holding out for one with proper sound tbph. I have a DJI Air Unit on my Kaos 60 FPV build because it at least records sound locally for the DVR but it's so damn quiet that it needs a lot of poking in Post to be audible even on a nitro bird like I'm flying. And it doesn't broadcast audio whatsoever, so it can't be heard by the pilot in first person and it won't show up on goggle DVR.
Some of us DO want to hear our shit! I fly exclusively nitro and engine noise is a large part of why, so I want that feedback in my headset. Plus if I ever get into BVLOS FPV I'm gonna need that feedback to alert me to potential engine trouble BEFORE the engine quits outright.
I am looking to upgrade my fat shark scout googles to something better is is worth the upgrade to dji or is it better to go with hd zero
16:50 No mention of sound though. Shame. The companies making these HD systems need to realize there's a few of us who want sound in our systems. Currently DJI's awful awful setup is the bset of the HD systems, and even then only if you're pulling from the air unit for your DVR.
What about walksnail camera on Vista?
Artisan only sell to DJI, Autel Robotics & recently Walksnail.
Is the OSD written to the video file, than maybe someone can make a webplayer that works similar like the subtitle feature but for the OSD.
Dji seems to be the benchmark. This is cool but if you have DJI already then you're already winning 😉
How flying together with DJI works?
Will there be a vrx module for my hdo's?
Big question,,, does it play well with others? Or, is it going to step on everybody?
Same as DJI.
I’d love to know if you been disappointed if you had to pay for these ? I’m thinking there a huge disappointment for all the hype and cost ! Maybe in the future it will better as of right Id say there not the ones to buy!
The last chapter of tuis video gives my opinion.
wow, so they purposely blocked the DJI OG Cameras? ... such a shitty move.
Its not clear that this was to block DJI - from a business POV that makes no sense and takes engineering effort at a time when it seems like they were cutting every available corner to get the thing out.
We don't know that. There could certainly be legitimate technical reasons for using a different communication protocol.
I'm very sure DJI would sue them aggressively and use other means to drive them out of existence if they messed with their ecosystem like that.
Everyone is saying that these are not a dji goggle, then they did a good job trying to look like a dji product. Fatshark has not had actual recessed buttons with molded trim around them. They always used an electronic button under an overlay like a button on a microwave. And, the hardware such as screws and strap buckles look identical to what is used on dji products. If you have taken apart a Mavic, Phantom, Mini, etc all the attaching hardware and metal hold downs are the same as dji. Possibly purchased from the same supplier like what is used for frames and such but just seems a little weird. I also have tried cameras but dji to dji. The camera cables on the AU and Caddix are the exact same as the cable in the original Mavic Pro. I took a Mavic 4k camera and plugged into a Vista and it didn't work and that is with the same manufacturer. Haven't tried an AU but sure of the same outcome. I'm just skeptical of all of this but I do hope that FS WS improve.
Hi. When testing overheating time you did not provide ambient room temperature.
Yes that's true. It's not a super controlled experiment. But the ambient is about 19 C of you want to know.
Thanks for the video
Did you say it was, FAN-tastic?
is that the vtx was hd zero? now new version ?
No it isn't related to hdzero at all.
Can we connect an HDzero Vrx ?
No. Definitely not.
Can u use dji mipi cable on walksnail system
I. Literally. Did that in this video. It's in the video.
@@JoshuaBardwell ok i thought u just put the dji camera on the walksnail mipi all am talking about the bare cable itself off a dji setup and put it between the walksnail vtx and the walksnail camera ... Would be nice all my spares would work on walksnail
Did you ever find out if the VTX would simply continue to overheat and destroy itself or do something sensible like reduce the power? Inquiring minds want to know!!! 🙃
Eventually it does shut down at like 115 degrees C.
Awesome! Thanks, Joshua! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
No Audio output :(
@Joshua Bardwell may I ask. Have you at any point whilst flying have you thought... "Wow those oleds make it look sooo much better than on my dji goggles" ?
i do know that when i fly with my DJI system i wil never think to myself dang i wish i was looking at a oled.
DJI is the best lol, i mostly fly over grass and wile flying i can see the individual blades of grass, unlike the smeer with these goggles
The oleds are really nice but the experience of flying is what matters most.
@@JoshuaBardwell Are the oleds worth the upgrade?
The experience of flying is what matters most.
@@JoshuaBardwell That's not much of an answer.
Hope they just switches some wires on the mipi and you did not get power...longshot, haha.
im sticking with analog lol
Hey Joshua, have you tried the 21.22.4 firmware yet? I saw someone saying with that firmware the walksnail system is a lot less blurry and about on par with DJI now. So I’d love to get your feedback on that.
Yeah do that pls, we need that !
Thanks bro
Can you test how bad this affects analog pilots ?
Same as DJI
@@JoshuaBardwell does it have the timing signal on some raceband channel like dji?
Great Stuff, Thumbs up :o)
tommy ummagawd? did i hear it right? he doesn't seem to have a video about this system
They are literally using artosync sdk!
What's the chances that Orqa is using the Artesyn chip?
0, it's an expensive chip that they would show off if it was.
@@SvPVids well if fatshark is using like many think they aren't showing it off, more like hiding it.
I have been watching a while now over the last few months and finally, totally jumped in for FPV. I fly DJI camera drones already and nothing in the FPV world comes any where near close to that quality. But what we have for FPV right now - this looks like a good investment...
I only fly the best analog gear available for my FPV stuff, and this will surely covert me, I am sure.....Your videos - as well as others - have helped me decide to finally make the leap to digital. Kudos...
For low latency video... The camera drones don't do low latency. It's a latency game here. The dji fpv DRONE, dji fpv system, and walksnail on 1080 flying slow come very very close to a dji Mavic video feed man. But with a Mavic, like I said it's latency is much higher... But it doesn't matter, or you don't notice, because your not controlling the quad manually, the accelerometer, and software is helping to control the drone the further away it gets.
U R Da Best. God's speed.
This is a good positive video. I agree this may get really good to come soon!! Looking forward to this new stuff coming out! Thanks for being honest opinion
I hope that other company that you “couldn’t think of the name right now” is Orqa😅
I would say just buy it in 8 months when the firmware is hopefully better
Wouldn’t they win many many many users would the goggles “talk to” vistas???
really hope people can give fatshark a decent chance to nail this product. this hobby is small, innovation and breakthroughs dont come quickly or easily, lots of our gear wasnt totally ready for consumers, we are mostly pro-sumers, and should be ready for hickups and workarounds and higher level personal involvement in the development of our gear. i could list a bunch of stuff that didnt pass mustard and went on to become the best products available, the eagle micro, the og jumper tx16, the dji v1 itself, elrs, so please guys, remember early adopters are taking the risk for everybody else.
Why? There is a more stable product already available that offers superior image quality, widespread adoption, standard frame mounting, and supports a radio link. You're saying that people should buy this in *hopes* that it will improve, but it's literally inferior and more expensive. There's certainly no guarantee that Fat Shark will support it in the long haul, or that Walksnail won't just close up shop in six months. Based on how hard every single FPV retailer is pushing orders of this thing, there's already a hint of desperation in the air.
@@TheDiegoAranda all fair points, i just mean, if you can afford to be an early adopter, it would benefit us all in the long run. so thats the only answer to '' why?'' plus osd and oled screens and superior optics and ergonomic design. and i dont think theres a hint of desperation, i think theres a mountain of it. a lot money is on the table for these guys,
@@TheDiegoAranda "widespread adoption" - I think only due to a lack of any other quality digital system available at the time.
Someone needs to hack the dji air/vista unit just to see the response from dji. That may tell us if they are still in fpv game or not.
How many vtx’s can I have bound at once? Can I have multiple turned on and change channels? Do I need to rebind every time I want to change aircraft?
No known limit on number of vtx bound. Only one can be turned on at a time. Others are ignored.
So unless I’m missing something, there is absolutely no way to use these with a simulator? I mean, the way to get DJI working with sims is absolutely ridiculous, but they’re not at all in touch with the FPV Community. This is Fatshark and Caddx/Walksnail and they didn’t think some form of input would be important enough to include?! Yet another reason these goggles are a complete disappointment..
100% i would buy them right now if i could use them on my computer and get the full 1080p oled. if they do something like dji then it will down grade the 1080p making it a waste of $ for crap image on a computer. sad my goggles 6 years ago i could use with my computer but the low resolution was bad now that they offer 1080p oled they dont give us video in.
At least HDzero will have all the ports just like the SkyZone goggle.
For sure, i loathe using my DJI goggles for sim, but at least there IS a way. Plus, fpv-wtf seems to think that HDMI In via USB-C is a possibility in the future, which would be fantastic.
Like most reviewers have said, most of the current flaws with the Fatshark/Walksnail goggles could be fixed with future updates (though I highly doubt they’ll ever even be as good as DJI v2), the lack of input is a fundamental flaw that will be a dealbreaker for many FPV pilots. Maybe v2 of this goggle will hit closer to the mark. 🙏🏻
How did you get DJI V2 goggles working with sims? I tried using that analog RCA cable adapter a guy from Europe did a video on, but the quality was horrendous! Not viewable and I tried two very different adapters. Thanks for detailed info! 👍
so to some up this system at best has the ability to match DJI but is more expensive and less trustworthy than DJI if that is possible🤣
Dji cameras don't work with Avatar. What about Avatar cameras with dji?
Overheathing?
So are these telegram responses trolls or something new I just never saw before?
They are scams, report them
When doing the range test. Don't try to point the antennas at the ground... The signal is actually bouncing out of the lower parking deck, off the surrounding environment, and up to the top deck
This is shaping up to be the worst FPV release in FPV history, which is not old enough to have history! Smoke and mirrors abound with locking up folks into systems.
lol, i think we should let history play put for a bit before jumping into these digital systems
*out
700 $ for promises.... We don t know if chipset has enought power to manage a better compression (compression quality impact CPU load). Wait and see
We do know it has Artosyn chip which can more than handle h.265 encoding.
Is it a turd….. yes!
maybe if they get the 50 megabits working the video would look a lot better. as of now i would pay $299 for this system. come on walksnail get the firmware out to make this system worth the price. with no video in i would have a hard time paying more than $450 for this system
You would really think that if one of the two camera options was so blatantly worse that *someone* would have noticed before, you know, shipping a defective piece of crap. But apparently something like that happening is entirely within the realm of possibility for this clown show. I trust ummagawd about a million times more than Mr Steele, so I'll wait to see what he has to say about it.