Settings for the best motion clarity this LG C1 can give you, which is the equivalent of 240fps Sample and hold displays. All these settings are equivalent in terms of motion resolution and they only differ in input lag and motion Interpolation artifacts: For 30hz/30fps games: De-Judder on 10 Motion Pro Medium (highest input lag and Motion interpolation artifacts) For 60hz/60fps games: De-blur 10 Motion Pro Medium (better input lag with a lot less artifacts) For 120hz/120fps: Motion Pro High (almost a CRT dream)
@@PedroSantos-tp3lw Thank for trying to help, but I think that option you mentioned is for the CX, my C1 does not have it. And I am playing on a PC, not a game console.
So playing a game that actually runs at 120fps, and then using MotionPro high is the equivalent of 240fps as far as motion blur reduction & motion resolution gain are concerned? A legit game running 240fps should get latency down to 2.5ms(120 is 5ms), and the resolution should double from 120's 600p to 1200p. But ya, i stay clear of even MotionPro Low and Auto simply because they cause severe shadow detail crushing. I dont have the equipment or expertise in order to correct it, so :P But even if it IS corrected, what happens when you turn BFI off and go back to regular 120fps? The picture or gamma will be incorrect.
Thanks alot for your videos, they really help to get into this topic. I bought the same TV (48,C1) last week for 670€ together with a PS5. It is amazing what you get for the money. I am currently playing Cyberpunk and set it to RT (30fps) with de-judder 7 (much less artifacts than 10). motion pro low. I find it very playable despite the input lag which I can cope with.
On my old TV the motion smoothing option introduced enough latency that it wasn't reasonable to use for games, though it was occasionally interesting to toggle on just to see what it looked like. So when I got my LG C2 I assumed it would be much the same and didn't even try it with games for a long time. When I finally did I was as pleasantly surprised as you are here. If there's any additional latency it's not enough to be noticeable for the kind of games I play, and I think the artifacts around the areas of biggest motion are a pretty fair tradeoff for what on the whole looks like a much more stable image.
I have a 2018 Q8FN and i use this. I love it. But every TV i look at on RTINGS never has as low input lag for motion blur outside if game mode, even the newest OLEDS. Do you have any advice?
Curious to see if you can tweak the dejudder for example 5/10 and see if there is less artifacts than 10/10. Also I would like to see C1 vs C2 dejudder. No one tried on TH-cam I guess…
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 it should be less artifact on C2 maybe ? And also which one is more visible : flickering due to BFI at 60fps or dejudder artifact ?
Hot stuff ! Why does my rd2 game on xbox series x jumps to a picture lock gaming optimeser ? When i try to change to standard it has all the settings grayed out ( tru motion ) on natural grayed out.
Frame/Motion interpolation has existed for a very long time (my 10 year old Samsung TV has it - Auto Motion Plus). I have always found it works great for adventure/racing/rpg/action/etc any offline games for the most part (even though every time you mention it online everyone cringes and shuns you). For playing multiplayer games (FPS/Fighting) you will want no input lag in order to play competitively so you wouldn't want to use motion interpolation of any kind. Also, playing retro games like Punch-Out require VERY precise timing so you'll definitely need no input lag for that as well. Using it for games like Breath of the Wild or Witcher 3 made the games feel so much smoother. I'm looking into getting an LG C2 as you mentioned in this video so I'm interested to see how modern TVs handles motion interpolation nowadays.
I almost never use it for gaming because I can get at least 60fps on my PC in every game. Samsung has interpolation in Game mode with good input lag, consider a qdoled instead
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I see. In my case it makes a huge difference for Nintendo Switch games that run at 30 FPS. I just put in an order for an LG C2. Very excited to see what it will be like.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648I have a qn90b and I can easily say that game motion plus doesn’t look nearly as smooth as auto motion plus. But it has much less artifacting and input lag
@@tylerstirling2843 I think it doesn’t look anything good on 30 fps games. It makes the games look like 35-40 fps instead of 30, they still look juddery
Hello. Pls help me out. I was using a Sony normal 4K TV where there was an option called motionflow. All I had to do was turn on the setting at high and it was beautiful and smooth. The TV was 60hz max and the game I used to turn on vsync @30fps. I bought an LG OLED a few months ago and I couldn't find the best setting since the TV is 120hz. I tried changing the Hz to 60 and tried motion settings but it was laggy ( frame moving noticeable) which settings should I use? I want to run the game at max 30fps with smooth motion
For 30fps/30hz use De-Judder 10 Motion Pro Medium unless you have a different model without 120 BFI then no Motion Pro, just De-Judder 10. For 60fps/60hz De-blur 10 Motion Pro Medium
None of these settings come up for me. True motion is greyed out and preselected no matter which profile I select. For gaming mode it’s set to off. Any ideas?
You have to use HDMI port on Console Mode then Picture Mode any other than Game Optimizer mode. Click on the input button and leave it pressed then on the top right click on the 3 dots to select the HDMI to Console mode
I have the C2 and the only trumotion option I got for PS5 is BFI which I don't like. How can I enable all the other options? Or they are available only in the C1?
Use hdmi in Console mode and picture standard mode, the c2 interpolation is way better than the c1, use de-judder 10 for 30 and deblur for 50 or 60fps/Hz
Try De-Judder 10 De-blur 10 Motion Pro Medium. The problem is that the PS5 doesn't output 30Hz for 30fps, it does 60Hz instead. We need 30Hz to make Interpolation work the best but, give it a try
How far is this applicable on PS5 and/ or XBSX --> please make some video on that with RDR2 / Alien Isolation / Prey / Hellblade --> the standart games on PS5 without any proper 60 fps or next gen upgrades - would be much appreciated
I got you brother, I'll do all of that. I'll give you the settings I'm about to reveal in my next videos. For 30 fps/30hz games De-Judder on 10 Motion Pro Medium (looks like 120 Motion Pro High with some artifacts); for 60fps/60hz games De-blur 10 Motion Pro Medium (it looks like 120 Motion Pro High with a lot less artifacts and better input lag).
I,m so glad with this proof, i discovered it myself a while ago and nobody in social media game groups believed me. I put my hdr setting on vivid/dynamic. I hardly noticed input lag until a friend told me. And with the current gen games i don,t experience input lag at all, and i tried it vs the game optimizer settings. The only annoying input lag i experience is with 2d sidescrollers and retro games, but if i play those i put my screen back into game optimizer. A question though, is it possible to do this settings in HDMI 2.1 port? I own a lg oled b1 and can,t change it on 2.1 so it seems.
HDMI 2.0 can give you up to 4k 60 12bits 422 which is less than 18Gbps and that's all the TV needs for interpolation. I have a sponsor video coming explaining the HDMI 2.1 capabilities and bandwidth differences.
Im thinking about getting the lg c2 for motion interpolation. I would use RTSS to cap 30 fps. Next In Nvida Control Panel I would use Low Latency mode on and the Vsync set to adaptive. Under display I would use gpu scaling for aspect Ratio and in game settings I would use motion Blur and DLSS To quality. I would at least think that combo would improve input Latency and fix artifacts. It would be an interesting experiment.
I don't recommend you to get the TV with that in mind. It's not the experience this TV can provide, and the input lag is very high. If you're interested on a TV for low latency motion interpolation get a Samsung qdoled
@Plasma TV for Gaming I dunno. Basically DLSS 3 is DLSS 2 With Nvidia Reflex and Motion Interpolation on pc Frame generator is Pcs version of Motion Interpolation. The only difference is pc displays the smooth fake frames to where the TV with built in motion interpolation gives the smoothness just not the fake frame display.I would guess using low latency mode on and a FPS Cap with RTSS Would reduce the input latency on tv at 30 fps. Dunno. The samsung would be outta my budget for now.
@@Chiefgeargrinder How’re you liking the game motion plus feature? I’m looking into getting Samsungs qd oled tv offering for this feature alone if it can help make 30fps console games feel closer to 60.
@tylerstirling2843 I found it really doesn't like 30 FPS. 60 is fine but 30 Fps works then it seems to disengage at times. I found setting my refresh rate to 120 setting the FPS Cap to 40 with adaptive sync works the Best for lower FPS situations.
For 30fps, it really depends on the game. Racing is kind of ideal for smoothing since it's just things gliding across the screen. But if you have a character running around, their limbs become heavily artifacted with high de-judder. I find that the "Cinematic Movement" preset is the limit where artifacting isn't that noticable, but it also only smoothes things a little. It seems to roughly approximate the way 30fps looks on non-OLED displays.
I would like to know the real impact (not only the noticeable) of the input lag. Input lag is something very important in FPS games like COD. And I wouldn't like to change settings every time I change a game. Do you know how much is this impact in ms ??
Over 80ms, not for shooters. For shooters try to play at 120 and use BFI High on Game Optimizer mode. The best settings are actually De-Judder 10 Motion pro medium for 30fps which looks like 240 fps, De-blur 10 Motion pro medium for 60fps which looks like 240 fps.
@@flaviolopes5440 I'm gonna second what he says btw. Input lag for a racing game or rpg maybe, not a big deal. I wouldn't play shooters on it if i was a serious hardcore gamer
Can this be done on the LG C2 I’m thinking of getting this or the C1 I only play 60fps so I’m not sure if these feature will be much use to me never used it on the Sony due the fact of the distracting aftifacts it used to cause I’m really sensitive to it and it ruins the game for me
The interpolation artifacts are clearly visible at 30 and it looks horrible at times. At 60 the artifacts are not a problem but the input lag is. On the C2 you can use OLED black frame insertion and double the motion clarity losing half of the brightness. The C1 supports BFI at 60, 100, and 120Hz and it more than doubles the motion clarity (2.6x using BFI High). The C2 has better motion interpolation for watching movies
I’m guessing to get half of the brightness back you could do the HLG HDR trick that you found out. Is the HLG feature safe to do though with it being in the hidden LG menu
Just tried this on PS5, put Cyberpunk purposefully on Quality mode which is 30fps and wow, you are right, it does feel like its running on 60+. It feels amazing. The only problem is that I got used to ALLM and all the low input lag options and its difficult to get used to it. The input lag is not huge but its just enough to irritate me a bit. Wish there was a way to lower the input lag while using this option.
So you can't use ALLM with De-Judder? I can try Cyberpunk on part 2 but tbh the driving on Cyberpunk doesn't feel very responsible to me, not even at 60+, and shooters in general are going to be the worst case scenarios for motion interpolation.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Think you are right about Cyberpunk, I'm gonna try more games too. And yeah, when I enable ALLM on PS5, all the clarity options become greyed out in picture options
If I click on Trumotion I can only select off or User Selection (then only Oled Motion). How can I fix this? I already set my ps5 to hdmi output (not pc) and turned ALLM off.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I was going to try this last week on my hisense u8g but the motion settings were grayed out. I assumed it was grayed out because i have gsync and vrr enabled. I will try this out next. Thanks.
I get less Artifacts when using de blur at 10 and dejudder between 5-7 on my lg cx. Turn off all the ai enhancements and all the other super resolution, noise etc settings for less artifacts. Make sure your frametimes are perfect. Also try Max settings on both de blur de judder with medium to max bfi
@@shanroxalot5354 I mainly use medium for a less hit on the brightness in games and don’t notice much difference between that and high. But notice a clear difference when watching movies, still use medium bfi because it’s too dark.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 already fixed it - playing starfield on xbox series x with the lg oled c1 with your tips (true motion) works really well and feels like above 60 fps most of the time! thx for that!
I have heard motion upscaling is the best on samsung TV's because with their algorithm there's only 18ms input lag instead of 80-120ms. I hate input lag more than blurriness.
it is but still its not perfect.. depends though.. you have some samsung tvs that have motion plus and others that have game motion plus.. the latency is the huge difference but youll always get some kind of artifacting when the frames drop below 60... also if your using standard motion plus the games will have input lag when the frames drop below 60.
Yes brother 👍. Do it and watch the dream become true. Actually you can convert 30fps SDR to a 240fpa like experience on HDR using HLG tone mapping HGIG and Motion Pro High at the same time, watch the video I'm about to drop, this is unreal
Yeah but you will have very high input lag under those settings. Not in game mode ~90-100ms. Plus de-judder at 10 further worsens input lag to about 120ms. Not good at all
this seems to be working on Crash Team Racing in my case on the PS5! I think this game still runs at only 30 FPS but there is always shown 60Hz! and thats not true!
Yes, you need to disable ALLM (auto low latency mode) on the Xbox and disable boost mode. Use Console Mode Standard mode and use De-Judder 10 Motion Pro Medium for 30fps/30hz content and De-blur 10 Motion Pro Medium for 60hz/60fps
🎉😅 Hii, How about if i want to make 30fps or so look like [60fps only] like on 60Hz TV's with motion interpolation set to smooth (wich is like de-juder highest level) can you still get that somehow, on 120Hz tv's. Something like 60Hz only mode for the TV (like Samsung smartphone has 60Hz or 120Hz Mode in settings) or only if you set de-juder to only 5 (instead of 10) bcouse Tv is running in 120Hz mode (only) wich i would not like on videos only on games maybe haha. And i have external devices wich are only 60fps, will the tv be in 60Hz only, at leas then?😢😮😂
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Oh Ok, Thanks for answering. But from what i know (from cameras or game settings) blur is for making the good clear images more blury (like in games) for more smooth transition from one to another for the eyes (only), but when you pause such content, like on recorded videos the images are blury (and they use slower shutter speed for that blury images effect) and in games they sometimes have that also in settings. And de-blur it sounds to me just to make images more clear, but i don't have such an tv (but i was planning to buy one on offer) only have a lower LG with LCD/ADS (wich i don't like watching at it too much) and has only 60Hz on the good side for me, and with motion smoothnes to very smooth it makes any fps look like 60fps, wich i like now that i got used to it (the soap opera effect). But i would not like if it makes content to 120fps becouse the TV is running in 120Hz even when you conect some 60Hz (only) device, wich should make TV refresh only at 60Hz (ACTUALY). AND on my 50/60Hz tv if i have [device] set to 50HZ (in europe also has that mode) the TV also refreshes at 50Hz/sec only. But on 100/120Hz TV's i don't know sure if it also can 50/60Hz mode altrough on rtings it say it suports (such rezolutions like 4k at 60Hz or 1080p 60). And i will have to make that from de-juder (at only half or so) then, wich would not be very precise for me. Haha
No. There's a better (better inpulag) solution thought that works for all displays, but it is not free. I would have never tried it, but the devs sent me a copy. th-cam.com/video/1NnCfQz-zv4/w-d-xo.html
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you, I'll check it out, your channel is gold. one more question does this work across the board including youtube videos, so it's super smooth?
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thank you.. Doesn't help..I literally have to uncheck almost everything in my series x video options.. Then when I'm in game, it greys out again .. I'm trying to play Starfield or GTA and it looks awful!! Like I can see multiple telephone poles etc . Thanks anyway
I was finally able to get these settings to show and used them..I had to shut off my consoles HDR, Dolby vision and allm, the results are ok, not great. Such a great TV, but for most games that are 30fps, it's just not cutting it.. It plays 120 fps games beautifully and 60 pretty nice, but again, most games are made 30.@@plasmatvforgaming9648
OLED Motion Pro reduces the persistence (pixel visibility time) to improve the motion clarity, and that's why the brightness goes down, it's normal. You have to disable Gsync on the TV and Nvidia control panel for True Motion to work. Use De-Judder 10 OLED Motion Pro Medium for 30fps and it works at 60Hz. Use De-Blur 10 OLED Motion Pro Medium for 50fps/Hz or 60fps/Hz. These options look like 240fps in motion actually, I didn't know that when I made this video
The problem with using this feature is that 30Hz output is necessary and the Consoles do 60Hz. On a PC I tested RPCS3 games and it works. The best setting is De-Judder 10 (for 30fps/Hz) and De-blur 10 (for 60fps/Hz) combined with OLED MOTION PRO Medium
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 oh so this is more useful for PC gaming interesting I wanna ask something might sound stupid but does every TV nowadays come with features like this one? or is it something exclusive to a very expensive TV? (I still have a VERY old samsung TV)
Back here again I know have a LG TV and I tested true motion smooth on a couple of ps3 games turns out it only works perfectly if the framerate is at the least locked at 30fps cause if it goes to 25fps the 60fps starts to lag and it feels horrible other than that most games run pretty well and look good
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I tried it. I cranked DLDSR to 5k res, at 6k I was running out of VRAM on my 3080. The input delay started to make me sick. My hand almost felt numb as someone hit my bicep with a baseball bat. The input delay is way too high to use. I still like the 120 HZ, and maybe a 4090 getting to use DLDSR with 5k or 6k at 120 hz is better. That route doesnt suffer from input lag.
Lol I’m the opposite haha, I tried the motion interpolation on GTA V on my C1 and it was unplayable because of all the ugly artifacts and high input lag…I would much rather play at 30 FPS.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 are you Sure with 30hz? I use 60hz on my Beamer. With FI ist Sets 30fps to 120hz and 60fps too, but on 30hz hmm must try. The artifacts on my epson tw7000 are barly noticeable. But in 2022 and so old tec, i dont understand that there is no evolve in such long time.
If the game is 30 fps without interpolation u already have input lag like crazy use interpolation and its o ly positives, if the game runs at 60fps already not worth, turn based games or games like zelda nintendo are amazing for this
Motion interpolation also adds artifacts around objects and characters when moving around in the game you can notice it in my case on the Sony tvs it like that too on the lg tvs
As the video guy mentions, it's barely noticeable at 60fps. It can be pretty noticable at 30fps though (but maybe that's just without the MotionPro, which I haven't been using due to the dimming).
On my CX I played God of War on PS5 with trumotion set to max (de-judder and de-blur) and it was amazing! This is a 60fps game and it already looked great but that trumotion gave it that 120hz buttery smooth look. It was very immersive, almost 3d like. It was a phenomenal experience. There was a little bit of input lag. but it didnt detract from my gameplay. You can still play competitively. As far as the artifacts, you really have to look hard and pay attention to notice them. But honestly its not as bad as the motion blur graphic feature that they put in almost every single console game.
I totally agree. Actually I'm so impressed right now testing Motion Pro and De-Judder together, it works! I swear I tried it before and they were not working together, I'm actually going to report that tomorrow and do the multiple games showcase on part 3
@@alanclark9000 For me that's what I prefer. The frame rate is much higher and it definitely seemed extra smooth with those settings maxed out. But maybe you might prefer lower setting... I'm assuming the lower settings will have less artifacts and possibly less input lag? but I'm not sure.
Latency on my C1, by forcing 120fps(de-blur 10) on a 60fps game, i think shoots up from 10 to 90ms. Game-breaking, but so is motion blur slathered over 300p motion resolution for 60fps games on OLED without BFI. ;)
Considering C1 has 120 BFI, but C2 has better motion interpolation, which would give the best motion clarity for 30 and 60 fps games (on console)? Now, considering the C2 has only 60 BFI.. does that mean it will not give any additional motion clarity when enabled, as opposed to just using interpolation? What happens if you use only BFI? Although you already have many video about these topics, the perfect video for me would be testing all the possible framerate, interpolation and BFI combinations possible, with 30, 60 and 120 fps locked. And then ranking those results in terms of perceptive motion clarity, and possibly adding input lag info. For example, what happens when you compare 30 FPS, 30 FPS + BFI, 30 FPS + TruMotion, 30 FPS + BFI + TruMotion, and 60 FPS. And then do the same with 60 FPS and 120 FPS. In the end make comparisons with plasma. Because I have a high end Plasma and know how smooth 60 FPS looks on it, I genuinely wonder which of the possible framerate/BFI/TruMotion combinations on OLED are able to match or exceed the cleanliness of plasma’s 1080 lines of motion resolution, if any. This is a significant undertaking, but I think it would be the ultimate. I’d try it myself if I had a CX or C1, but currently have an A1 which has TruMotion only for 24p content and no BFI at all.
I will do a summary video about motion one of these days. I would recommend you to watch this to understand The Blur Busters Law which explains motion clarity th-cam.com/video/lQqy4WPOIYE/w-d-xo.html
You need to understand motion clarity with persistence instead of lines of resolution. My Plasma TV guarantee minimum motion blur is 4ms of persistence=4 pixels of motion blur when moving at 1000 pixels per second; but it doesn't actually reach that level at higher than 240 pixels per second speeds because of other limitations like GtG and ghosting. The LG G2 at 120fps sample and hold has 8ms of persistence= 8 pixels of motion blur when moving at 1000 pixels per second, I don't know how good the 60bfi is on the C2 but on the C1 OLED Motion Pro High at 60Hz/fps reduces the persistence to 6.3ms, at 100Hz/fps 3.8ms and at 120Hz/fps is 3.2ms. I will do a video...
Wow. I didn't know about this yet. I am now playing games I love, such as Witcher 3, in a much higher resolution (5760x3240) with smooth motion, without needing a new graphics card!!! That is absolutely amazing. Before using my C1's motion interpolation, setting Witcher 3 in such a high resolution would result in making the game not totally unplayable (as my GTX 1080Ti has 11 GB of VRAM), but the motion would look very slow, due to the low resulting FPS. Now I can play the game in 5760x3240 resolution and the motion looks natural and smooth. It's like a miracle. I thought that would only be possible after buying a new RTX graphics card. I am now also playing Rise of Tomb Raider in 5120x2880 resolution and it looks smoother and much sharper than when I was playing it in 3840x2160 without C1's magnificent motion interpolation.
Awesome! Actually this gets even better brother. Try combining De-Judder with Motion Pro on High, it works! Watch the video I'm about to upload, this is the TV performing a miracle like you said, now from 30fps SDR to 240fps like on HDR and for some reason with De-Judder the Motion Pro is not dimming as much so we can use HLG tone mapping OFF or HGIG and It looks even better.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Yes, Motion Pro on top of Motion Interpolation made Witcher 3 look super sharp and super immersive, there is pratically no blurring on anything, everything looks sharp and natural, from the ennviroments to the character's expressions. I never experienced this wonderful game with this quality before. I thought that playing the game with that kind of quality was a thing I would only get after buying a new RTX graphics card to replace my GTX 1080 Ti.
i used lg truemotion for gaming since i had xbox 360...third person games experience was better on 60fps than the original 30fps...i had tried on other lg tv model but the input lag was very bad
what really helps with that is if your game gives you the ability to set the FOV in third person mode.. the further away the camera is from your character the less artifacting.. unless its ff15.. almost nothing gets rid of that games issue. Any game that uses the unreal engines hair physics is gonna artifact like crazy in motion interpolation.
Yes, Samsung has low latency motion interpolation, still, there's no way around the artifacts, and actually LG does a better job with 30fps. Watch Gaming Tech video comparing S95C with LG CX
@plasmatvforgaming9648 80+ ms on LG with interpolation vs 20+ millisecond on samsung with interpolation. It's not even close. You only feel it's tolerable in your video because you're driving in a straight line. But try speeding up and with many curves, you'll easily lose control.
I just changed from c1 to c2.. Both tv´s are not giving me sharp images. With this de judder its much sharper.. for example.. watching tv. On the c1 the de judder is no good. Overal i´m still dissapointed because i dont think lg is any good. I think these tv´s are just unfinished and we are test subjects. Sharpness is a big issue on lg.
Watch my videos about the blur busters law, motion clarity is improved with De-Judder for 24 and 30fps/Hz content. The C2 has better motion interpolation and the C1 has better bfi. On the LG C1 120fps/Hz BFI with give you great motion clarity (High would be like playing at 312fps)
120 FPS? not by a long shot. It very slightly improves on a lousy situation. Test The Witcher 3, for example. "Performance mode" 60 FPS = buttery smooth, snappy camera and character movement. "Ray tracing mode" 30 FPS = sluggish gameplay, like your character and camera are moving through water, and no amount of de-judder or tech magic options really help. Same goes for Cyberpunk 2077. It happens in my Samsung Q50 QLED and LG C2 OLED and it's impossible to play like that. It does NOT happen in my "old" living room Samsung LED TV. I thought more advanced and expensive tech should be better, not worse!
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I just tried gta 5 on ps4 (and pc on 30hz too) de-judder 10/10 and 5/10 works great when you don't touch the camera (with a soup road) but once you play normally it's totally unstable and drop back to 30fps when you do fast movements, i'd rather play the true butterystable 30fps x) in game mode with lowest input lag
Can't agree at all. The judder or image stutter you get at low fps drains my eyes and brain and especially on screens bigger than 40 inches. I rather have such an artificial, mediocre solution than enduring the other problems.
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Settings for the best motion clarity this LG C1 can give you, which is the equivalent of 240fps Sample and hold displays.
All these settings are equivalent in terms of motion resolution and they only differ in input lag and motion Interpolation artifacts:
For 30hz/30fps games: De-Judder on 10 Motion Pro Medium (highest input lag and Motion interpolation artifacts)
For 60hz/60fps games: De-blur 10 Motion Pro Medium (better input lag with a lot less artifacts)
For 120hz/120fps: Motion Pro High (almost a CRT dream)
On mine the option is greyed out.
@@S.Madman you have to turn instant response off
@@PedroSantos-tp3lw Thank for trying to help, but I think that option you mentioned is for the CX, my C1 does not have it. And I am playing on a PC, not a game console.
So playing a game that actually runs at 120fps, and then using MotionPro high is the equivalent of 240fps as far as motion blur reduction & motion resolution gain are concerned?
A legit game running 240fps should get latency down to 2.5ms(120 is 5ms), and the resolution should double from 120's 600p to 1200p. But ya, i stay clear of even MotionPro Low and Auto simply because they cause severe shadow detail crushing. I dont have the equipment or expertise in order to correct it, so :P But even if it IS corrected, what happens when you turn BFI off and go back to regular 120fps? The picture or gamma will be incorrect.
Thanks alot for your videos, they really help to get into this topic. I bought the same TV (48,C1) last week for 670€ together with a PS5. It is amazing what you get for the money. I am currently playing Cyberpunk and set it to RT (30fps) with de-judder 7 (much less artifacts than 10). motion pro low. I find it very playable despite the input lag which I can cope with.
On my old TV the motion smoothing option introduced enough latency that it wasn't reasonable to use for games, though it was occasionally interesting to toggle on just to see what it looked like. So when I got my LG C2 I assumed it would be much the same and didn't even try it with games for a long time. When I finally did I was as pleasantly surprised as you are here. If there's any additional latency it's not enough to be noticeable for the kind of games I play, and I think the artifacts around the areas of biggest motion are a pretty fair tradeoff for what on the whole looks like a much more stable image.
It's very cool indeed
I have a 2018 Q8FN and i use this. I love it. But every TV i look at on RTINGS never has as low input lag for motion blur outside if game mode, even the newest OLEDS.
Do you have any advice?
Yes, get a QDOLED from Samsung (S95b S90c S95C)
Curious to see if you can tweak the dejudder for example 5/10 and see if there is less artifacts than 10/10. Also I would like to see C1 vs C2 dejudder. No one tried on TH-cam I guess…
The C2 De Judder is a lot better than the C1, I saw a Classy review of the C2 and that was the biggest difference between them
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 it should be less artifact on C2 maybe ? And also which one is more visible : flickering due to BFI at 60fps or dejudder artifact ?
If you have problems getting it to work on xbox series x change the video mode to 4k 60hz. Trumotion will not work on 4k 120hz
That's right, thanks
Hot stuff ! Why does my rd2 game on xbox series x jumps to a picture lock gaming optimeser ? When i try to change to standard it has all the settings grayed out ( tru motion ) on natural grayed out.
You have to disable ALLM (auto low latency mode) on the Xbox and boost mode on the TV
Frame/Motion interpolation has existed for a very long time (my 10 year old Samsung TV has it - Auto Motion Plus). I have always found it works great for adventure/racing/rpg/action/etc any offline games for the most part (even though every time you mention it online everyone cringes and shuns you). For playing multiplayer games (FPS/Fighting) you will want no input lag in order to play competitively so you wouldn't want to use motion interpolation of any kind. Also, playing retro games like Punch-Out require VERY precise timing so you'll definitely need no input lag for that as well. Using it for games like Breath of the Wild or Witcher 3 made the games feel so much smoother. I'm looking into getting an LG C2 as you mentioned in this video so I'm interested to see how modern TVs handles motion interpolation nowadays.
I almost never use it for gaming because I can get at least 60fps on my PC in every game. Samsung has interpolation in Game mode with good input lag, consider a qdoled instead
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I see. In my case it makes a huge difference for Nintendo Switch games that run at 30 FPS. I just put in an order for an LG C2. Very excited to see what it will be like.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648I have a qn90b and I can easily say that game motion plus doesn’t look nearly as smooth as auto motion plus. But it has much less artifacting and input lag
@@ardasevmis7583Does game motion plus give the appearance of better frames for 30fps games? Or is it kind of a useless feature?
@@tylerstirling2843 I think it doesn’t look anything good on 30 fps games. It makes the games look like 35-40 fps instead of 30, they still look juddery
Hello. Pls help me out. I was using a Sony normal 4K TV where there was an option called motionflow. All I had to do was turn on the setting at high and it was beautiful and smooth. The TV was 60hz max and the game I used to turn on vsync @30fps. I bought an LG OLED a few months ago and I couldn't find the best setting since the TV is 120hz. I tried changing the Hz to 60 and tried motion settings but it was laggy ( frame moving noticeable) which settings should I use? I want to run the game at max 30fps with smooth motion
For 30fps/30hz use De-Judder 10 Motion Pro Medium unless you have a different model without 120 BFI then no Motion Pro, just De-Judder 10. For 60fps/60hz De-blur 10 Motion Pro Medium
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 does Motion Interpolation goes with SDR?
None of these settings come up for me. True motion is greyed out and preselected no matter which profile I select. For gaming mode it’s set to off. Any ideas?
You have to use HDMI port on Console Mode then Picture Mode any other than Game Optimizer mode. Click on the input button and leave it pressed then on the top right click on the 3 dots to select the HDMI to Console mode
I have the C2 and the only trumotion option I got for PS5 is BFI which I don't like. How can I enable all the other options? Or they are available only in the C1?
Use hdmi in Console mode and picture standard mode, the c2 interpolation is way better than the c1, use de-judder 10 for 30 and deblur for 50 or 60fps/Hz
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thanks!
my lg c1 55 doesn't give de-judder options, do I need to activate it with service menu?
HDMI Console Mode Picture Cinema Home
Damn. I have a LG OLED 55E7P. Do you have any suggestion for 30 fps PS5 gaming settings for my tv?
Try De-Judder 10 De-blur 10 Motion Pro Medium. The problem is that the PS5 doesn't output 30Hz for 30fps, it does 60Hz instead. We need 30Hz to make Interpolation work the best but, give it a try
Works amazing on GOD OF WAR 2018 30fps
These options are not available to me on my C2 when using a PC or console. I can only use them for built-in streaming apps :(
You'd have to disable Freesync Gsync, ALLM on Consoles, use HDMI Console Mode, Cinema Home custom settings(brighter).
Hello eres el mejor todos los dias miro siempre tus videos 🙂
Gracias mi hermano 👍
does c1 do this with 2.1 hdmi 7900 xtx / .Does c1 do this with GPU 7900 XTX ?if SO what do i need to do to setup this for forza 4 on pc and c1.
With that GPU you don't need to play at 30fps. Yes the C1 has HDMI 2.1
How far is this applicable on PS5 and/ or XBSX --> please make some video on that with RDR2 / Alien Isolation / Prey / Hellblade --> the standart games on PS5 without any proper 60 fps or next gen upgrades - would be much appreciated
I got you brother, I'll do all of that. I'll give you the settings I'm about to reveal in my next videos. For 30 fps/30hz games De-Judder on 10 Motion Pro Medium (looks like 120 Motion Pro High with some artifacts); for 60fps/60hz games De-blur 10 Motion Pro Medium (it looks like 120 Motion Pro High with a lot less artifacts and better input lag).
I,m so glad with this proof, i discovered it myself a while ago and nobody in social media game groups believed me. I put my hdr setting on vivid/dynamic. I hardly noticed input lag until a friend told me. And with the current gen games i don,t experience input lag at all, and i tried it vs the game optimizer settings. The only annoying input lag i experience is with 2d sidescrollers and retro games, but if i play those i put my screen back into game optimizer. A question though, is it possible to do this settings in HDMI 2.1 port? I own a lg oled b1 and can,t change it on 2.1 so it seems.
HDMI 2.0 can give you up to 4k 60 12bits 422 which is less than 18Gbps and that's all the TV needs for interpolation. I have a sponsor video coming explaining the HDMI 2.1 capabilities and bandwidth differences.
Im thinking about getting the lg c2 for motion interpolation. I would use RTSS to cap 30 fps. Next In Nvida Control Panel I would use Low Latency mode on and the Vsync set to adaptive. Under display I would use gpu scaling for aspect Ratio and in game settings I would use motion Blur and DLSS To quality. I would at least think that combo would improve input Latency and fix artifacts. It would be an interesting experiment.
I don't recommend you to get the TV with that in mind. It's not the experience this TV can provide, and the input lag is very high. If you're interested on a TV for low latency motion interpolation get a Samsung qdoled
@Plasma TV for Gaming I dunno. Basically DLSS 3 is DLSS 2 With Nvidia Reflex and Motion Interpolation on pc Frame generator is Pcs version of Motion Interpolation. The only difference is pc displays the smooth fake frames to where the TV with built in motion interpolation gives the smoothness just not the fake frame display.I would guess using low latency mode on and a FPS Cap with RTSS Would reduce the input latency on tv at 30 fps. Dunno. The samsung would be outta my budget for now.
I decided to go With a Samsung Odyssey G70 B 32 4K With Game Motion Plus. I think that's More in-line with what I'm looking for. Thanks.
@@Chiefgeargrinder How’re you liking the game motion plus feature? I’m looking into getting Samsungs qd oled tv offering for this feature alone if it can help make 30fps console games feel closer to 60.
@tylerstirling2843 I found it really doesn't like 30 FPS. 60 is fine but 30 Fps works then it seems to disengage at times. I found setting my refresh rate to 120 setting the FPS Cap to 40 with adaptive sync works the Best for lower FPS situations.
You save my life, thanks
For PC gaming we new have LosslessScaling app that's better because we can use it on Game Optimizer mode for better input lag
PS4 Ghost of Tsushima with Oled Motion Pro on Low and De Judder at 5 looks like 60 fps. It's actually mind blowing.
Awesome 👍. I'm going to explore combining BFI with Motion interpolation but I believe when you use BFI De-Judder has no effect on my C1
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I've noticed that on my C1. If I use BFI, I lose some of the interpolation
So BFI is working while using dejudder or is it a placebo effect ?
@@ppn7 it works, but I wouldn't use the high setting as that inserts frames 60 times a second for me. While medium correctly does it at 120hz.
For 30fps, it really depends on the game. Racing is kind of ideal for smoothing since it's just things gliding across the screen. But if you have a character running around, their limbs become heavily artifacted with high de-judder. I find that the "Cinematic Movement" preset is the limit where artifacting isn't that noticable, but it also only smoothes things a little. It seems to roughly approximate the way 30fps looks on non-OLED displays.
De-Judder De-Blur 10 OLED Motion Pro Medium is 240fps like motion. The artifacts are a lot less at 50 and 60fps
I would like to know the real impact (not only the noticeable) of the input lag. Input lag is something very important in FPS games like COD. And I wouldn't like to change settings every time I change a game. Do you know how much is this impact in ms ??
Over 80ms, not for shooters. For shooters try to play at 120 and use BFI High on Game Optimizer mode.
The best settings are actually De-Judder 10 Motion pro medium for 30fps which looks like 240 fps, De-blur 10 Motion pro medium for 60fps which looks like 240 fps.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thank you, what's BFI high? And what's de input lag using that, with no de jutter?
@@flaviolopes5440 I'm gonna second what he says btw. Input lag for a racing game or rpg maybe, not a big deal. I wouldn't play shooters on it if i was a serious hardcore gamer
Can this be done on the LG C2 I’m thinking of getting this or the C1 I only play 60fps so I’m not sure if these feature will be much use to me never used it on the Sony due the fact of the distracting aftifacts it used to cause I’m really sensitive to it and it ruins the game for me
The interpolation artifacts are clearly visible at 30 and it looks horrible at times. At 60 the artifacts are not a problem but the input lag is. On the C2 you can use OLED black frame insertion and double the motion clarity losing half of the brightness. The C1 supports BFI at 60, 100, and 120Hz and it more than doubles the motion clarity (2.6x using BFI High). The C2 has better motion interpolation for watching movies
I’m guessing to get half of the brightness back you could do the HLG HDR trick that you found out. Is the HLG feature safe to do though with it being in the hidden LG menu
I need this to be supported in game optimizer like on Samsung
Just tried this on PS5, put Cyberpunk purposefully on Quality mode which is 30fps and wow, you are right, it does feel like its running on 60+. It feels amazing. The only problem is that I got used to ALLM and all the low input lag options and its difficult to get used to it. The input lag is not huge but its just enough to irritate me a bit. Wish there was a way to lower the input lag while using this option.
So you can't use ALLM with De-Judder? I can try Cyberpunk on part 2 but tbh the driving on Cyberpunk doesn't feel very responsible to me, not even at 60+, and shooters in general are going to be the worst case scenarios for motion interpolation.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Think you are right about Cyberpunk, I'm gonna try more games too. And yeah, when I enable ALLM on PS5, all the clarity options become greyed out in picture options
You need a Samsung if you want low input lag while using interpolation.
@@YavNe game mode has to be disabled to use de judder
@@byrgenwerth2097 what model would you recomment?
If I click on Trumotion I can only select off or User Selection (then only Oled Motion). How can I fix this? I already set my ps5 to hdmi output (not pc) and turned ALLM off.
Click on User selection to see the options
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you for a response. The only option is Oled Motion. That's it
I have a question is not better settings in console 1080p 120hz? I mean because tv do a great job escalating content
For interpolation to work you need 60Hz output. De-Judder and De-Blur 10 OLED Motion Pro Medium
Once you try 1440p or 4k, theres just no coming back to 1080p
Do you have to turn off gsync/freesync and vrr to enable trumotion?
Yes
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I was going to try this last week on my hisense u8g but the motion settings were grayed out. I assumed it was grayed out because i have gsync and vrr enabled. I will try this out next. Thanks.
I get less Artifacts when using de blur at 10 and dejudder between 5-7 on my lg cx. Turn off all the ai enhancements and all the other super resolution, noise etc settings for less artifacts. Make sure your frametimes are perfect. Also try Max settings on both de blur de judder with medium to max bfi
When Im using interpolation I think medium bfi inserts 120times a second while max does at 60. So max kinda doesn't work well for me 8n this scenario.
@@shanroxalot5354 I mainly use medium for a less hit on the brightness in games and don’t notice much difference between that and high. But notice a clear difference when watching movies, still use medium bfi because it’s too dark.
Does it work with PC (nvidia)? Should I turn off the GSync??
It does, Gsync has to be off. But I wouldn't use it now that we have FG mods available
gsync doesn't work at 30fps so turn it off.
i can't get to 4k uhd - just to 1440 p when i go into hdmi mode on console - any help?
Check your HDMI cable and make sure it is 2.1 also try HDMI on Console Mode or PC
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 already fixed it - playing starfield on xbox series x with the lg oled c1 with your tips (true motion) works really well and feels like above 60 fps most of the time! thx for that!
I have heard motion upscaling is the best on samsung TV's because with their algorithm there's only 18ms input lag instead of 80-120ms. I hate input lag more than blurriness.
I'm planning a video on Bestbuy to do a comparison between all TV brands in terms of motion technologies.
Competition is key! Request to LG!
But it's a Samsung though lol
it is but still its not perfect.. depends though.. you have some samsung tvs that have motion plus and others that have game motion plus.. the latency is the huge difference but youll always get some kind of artifacting when the frames drop below 60... also if your using standard motion plus the games will have input lag when the frames drop below 60.
wait so can it work with bloodborne?
Yes brother 👍. Do it and watch the dream become true. Actually you can convert 30fps SDR to a 240fpa like experience on HDR using HLG tone mapping HGIG and Motion Pro High at the same time, watch the video I'm about to drop, this is unreal
Looks better, but I definitely can't play with all that lag.
Yeah but you will have very high input lag under those settings. Not in game mode ~90-100ms. Plus de-judder at 10 further worsens input lag to about 120ms. Not good at all
It's noway near that much
this seems to be working on Crash Team Racing in my case on the PS5! I think this game still runs at only 30 FPS but there is always shown 60Hz! and thats not true!
De-Judder 10 OLED Motion Pro Medium for 30fps 60Hz
That's 240fps like motion
Somebody knows why it is blocked in my oled b9 , im playing on a series x game mode picture
Yes, you need to disable ALLM (auto low latency mode) on the Xbox and disable boost mode. Use Console Mode Standard mode and use De-Judder 10 Motion Pro Medium for 30fps/30hz content and De-blur 10 Motion Pro Medium for 60hz/60fps
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thanks a lot , im gonna try it
¿Cuál tv me recomiendas para el ps5? ¿LG C3, Samsung, Sony? Estoy indeciso.
S90C
Because Samsung has low latency motion interpolation for gaming
Love that your using a PS5 controller for Forza 😁
The Dualsense is amazing, I wish all games supported the full features.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Same
xbox and playstation unite
🎉😅 Hii, How about if i want to make 30fps or so look like [60fps only] like on 60Hz TV's with motion interpolation set to smooth (wich is like de-juder highest level) can you still get that somehow, on 120Hz tv's. Something like 60Hz only mode for the TV (like Samsung smartphone has 60Hz or 120Hz Mode in settings) or only if you set de-juder to only 5 (instead of 10) bcouse Tv is running in 120Hz mode (only) wich i would not like on videos only on games maybe haha.
And i have external devices wich are only 60fps, will the tv be in 60Hz only, at leas then?😢😮😂
I don't know which interpolation number is 60fps from 24 or 30.
For 50 or 60fps content, use De-Blur instead
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Oh Ok, Thanks for answering. But from what i know (from cameras or game settings) blur is for making the good clear images more blury (like in games) for more smooth transition from one to another for the eyes (only), but when you pause such content, like on recorded videos the images are blury (and they use slower shutter speed for that blury images effect) and in games they sometimes have that also in settings. And de-blur it sounds to me just to make images more clear, but i don't have such an tv (but i was planning to buy one on offer) only have a lower LG with LCD/ADS (wich i don't like watching at it too much) and has only 60Hz on the good side for me, and with motion smoothnes to very smooth it makes any fps look like 60fps, wich i like now that i got used to it (the soap opera effect). But i would not like if it makes content to 120fps becouse the TV is running in 120Hz even when you conect some 60Hz (only) device, wich should make TV refresh only at 60Hz (ACTUALY). AND on my 50/60Hz tv if i have [device] set to 50HZ (in europe also has that mode) the TV also refreshes at 50Hz/sec only. But on 100/120Hz TV's i don't know sure if it also can 50/60Hz mode altrough on rtings it say it suports (such rezolutions like 4k at 60Hz or 1080p 60). And i will have to make that from de-juder (at only half or so) then, wich would not be very precise for me. Haha
Brother i have the samsung odessey g9 qd oled does this monitor have that feature, i need it lol
No. There's a better (better inpulag) solution thought that works for all displays, but it is not free. I would have never tried it, but the devs sent me a copy.
th-cam.com/video/1NnCfQz-zv4/w-d-xo.html
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thank you, I'll check it out, your channel is gold. one more question does this work across the board including youtube videos, so it's super smooth?
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 im so angry bro that motion smoothing aka frame smoothing is not on my expensive ass samsung g9 qd oled.
I have a c2. My options are all grayed out and I can't adjust anything
Change HDMI to Console Mode Picture Cinema Home (custom) De-Judder De-Blur 10
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thank you.. Doesn't help..I literally have to uncheck almost everything in my series x video options.. Then when I'm in game, it greys out again .. I'm trying to play Starfield or GTA and it looks awful!! Like I can see multiple telephone poles etc . Thanks anyway
I was finally able to get these settings to show and used them..I had to shut off my consoles HDR, Dolby vision and allm, the results are ok, not great. Such a great TV, but for most games that are 30fps, it's just not cutting it.. It plays 120 fps games beautifully and 60 pretty nice, but again, most games are made 30.@@plasmatvforgaming9648
2:35 dear that is actually considerable input lag that should never be there on such hi-tech tvs,
What tv is this
LG C1 OLED
My settings are greyed out
HDMI in Console Mode and Picture Mode Cinema Home
it does not work white my 3060 trumotion 1050ti are no problems al funtion works 3060 only trumtion off or oled pro image goes dark
OLED Motion Pro reduces the persistence (pixel visibility time) to improve the motion clarity, and that's why the brightness goes down, it's normal. You have to disable Gsync on the TV and Nvidia control panel for True Motion to work.
Use De-Judder 10 OLED Motion Pro Medium for 30fps and it works at 60Hz. Use De-Blur 10 OLED Motion Pro Medium for 50fps/Hz or 60fps/Hz.
These options look like 240fps in motion actually, I didn't know that when I made this video
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thanks for you replay i see your options tru motion al works fine my lg only sharpnes level and trumotion pro option
I wish someone would test this feature on PS3 Games and XBOX 360 Games it would be interesting as pretty much most games runs at 30fps
The problem with using this feature is that 30Hz output is necessary and the Consoles do 60Hz. On a PC I tested RPCS3 games and it works. The best setting is De-Judder 10 (for 30fps/Hz) and De-blur 10 (for 60fps/Hz) combined with OLED MOTION PRO Medium
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 oh so this is more useful for PC gaming interesting I wanna ask something might sound stupid but does every TV nowadays come with features like this one? or is it something exclusive to a very expensive TV? (I still have a VERY old samsung TV)
i had xbox 360 on old lg tv 42 with true motion...it was a great experience...gears of war 2, alan wake all finished on 60 fps couldnt play on 30
the issue with ps3 and 360 is the screen tearing. not a huge issue but something like arkham origins
Back here again I know have a LG TV and I tested true motion smooth on a couple of ps3 games turns out it only works perfectly if the framerate is at the least locked at 30fps cause if it goes to 25fps the 60fps starts to lag and it feels horrible other than that most games run pretty well and look good
Doesn’t the latency go up 20-25 fold though?
Actually, worse, over 80ms
But, De-Judder 10 Motion Pro Medium l
For 30fps looks like 240fps
I guess it depends on the game. Like I wouldn’t mind that for something like the Witcher 3, but wouldn’t be great for elden ring.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648you mean 120fps
I assume it has to be a locked 30fps
Yes
Can you show how to do it on PC, my settings locked out
On my LG for me to do this, I have to turn off "PC mode" for the HDMI input that I have my PC connected to.
Use Console Mode for the HDMI and, Standard mode
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I tried it. I cranked DLDSR to 5k res, at 6k I was running out of VRAM on my 3080. The input delay started to make me sick. My hand almost felt numb as someone hit my bicep with a baseball bat. The input delay is way too high to use.
I still like the 120 HZ, and maybe a 4090 getting to use DLDSR with 5k or 6k at 120 hz is better. That route doesnt suffer from input lag.
@@sammy10001 What TV you use? I still can't set 120ghz on BRAVIA with Motion interpolation. It just not working
Lol I’m the opposite haha, I tried the motion interpolation on GTA V on my C1 and it was unplayable because of all the ugly artifacts and high input lag…I would much rather play at 30 FPS.
Make sure the game is running at 30hz 30fps
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 are you Sure with 30hz? I use 60hz on my Beamer. With FI ist Sets 30fps to 120hz and 60fps too, but on 30hz hmm must try. The artifacts on my epson tw7000 are barly noticeable. But in 2022 and so old tec, i dont understand that there is no evolve in such long time.
What console is this... Forza Horizon is Xbox only yet you have a PS5 DualSense controller 🤔
I'm on PC
These tips helped a little, but not as much as I'd like.
If the game is 30 fps without interpolation u already have input lag like crazy use interpolation and its o ly positives, if the game runs at 60fps already not worth, turn based games or games like zelda nintendo are amazing for this
Motion interpolation also adds artifacts around objects and characters when moving around in the game you can notice it in my case on the Sony tvs it like that too on the lg tvs
Yes, mainly occlusion artifacts. At 60fps the artifacts are very minimal and the only problem is input lag
As the video guy mentions, it's barely noticeable at 60fps. It can be pretty noticable at 30fps though (but maybe that's just without the MotionPro, which I haven't been using due to the dimming).
the best configuration to 30fps games is: 6 and 6 on manual configuration
For the best motion clarity De-Judder 10 OLED Motion Pro Medium, that's 240fps like motion
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 thanks bro!!!
not true. depends on the games
On my CX I played God of War on PS5 with trumotion set to max (de-judder and de-blur) and it was amazing! This is a 60fps game and it already looked great but that trumotion gave it that 120hz buttery smooth look. It was very immersive, almost 3d like. It was a phenomenal experience. There was a little bit of input lag. but it didnt detract from my gameplay. You can still play competitively. As far as the artifacts, you really have to look hard and pay attention to notice them. But honestly its not as bad as the motion blur graphic feature that they put in almost every single console game.
I totally agree. Actually I'm so impressed right now testing Motion Pro and De-Judder together, it works! I swear I tried it before and they were not working together, I'm actually going to report that tomorrow and do the multiple games showcase on part 3
So you have to set the dejudder to max and blur max??
@@alanclark9000 For me that's what I prefer. The frame rate is much higher and it definitely seemed extra smooth with those settings maxed out. But maybe you might prefer lower setting... I'm assuming the lower settings will have less artifacts and possibly less input lag? but I'm not sure.
Latency on my C1, by forcing 120fps(de-blur 10) on a 60fps game, i think shoots up from 10 to 90ms. Game-breaking, but so is motion blur slathered over 300p motion resolution for 60fps games on OLED without BFI. ;)
@@NeonPizza80slol no OLED motion and de judder etc increase latency to 20 to 25ms from like 7ns
Considering C1 has 120 BFI, but C2 has better motion interpolation, which would give the best motion clarity for 30 and 60 fps games (on console)?
Now, considering the C2 has only 60 BFI.. does that mean it will not give any additional motion clarity when enabled, as opposed to just using interpolation? What happens if you use only BFI?
Although you already have many video about these topics, the perfect video for me would be testing all the possible framerate, interpolation and BFI combinations possible, with 30, 60 and 120 fps locked. And then ranking those results in terms of perceptive motion clarity, and possibly adding input lag info. For example, what happens when you compare 30 FPS, 30 FPS + BFI, 30 FPS + TruMotion, 30 FPS + BFI + TruMotion, and 60 FPS. And then do the same with 60 FPS and 120 FPS. In the end make comparisons with plasma. Because I have a high end Plasma and know how smooth 60 FPS looks on it, I genuinely wonder which of the possible framerate/BFI/TruMotion combinations on OLED are able to match or exceed the cleanliness of plasma’s 1080 lines of motion resolution, if any. This is a significant undertaking, but I think it would be the ultimate.
I’d try it myself if I had a CX or C1, but currently have an A1 which has TruMotion only for 24p content and no BFI at all.
I will do a summary video about motion one of these days. I would recommend you to watch this to understand The Blur Busters Law which explains motion clarity th-cam.com/video/lQqy4WPOIYE/w-d-xo.html
You need to understand motion clarity with persistence instead of lines of resolution. My Plasma TV guarantee minimum motion blur is 4ms of persistence=4 pixels of motion blur when moving at 1000 pixels per second; but it doesn't actually reach that level at higher than 240 pixels per second speeds because of other limitations like GtG and ghosting.
The LG G2 at 120fps sample and hold has 8ms of persistence= 8 pixels of motion blur when moving at 1000 pixels per second, I don't know how good the 60bfi is on the C2 but on the C1 OLED Motion Pro High at 60Hz/fps reduces the persistence to 6.3ms, at 100Hz/fps 3.8ms and at 120Hz/fps is 3.2ms. I will do a video...
Bro playing FH5 with a dual sense 😭
With an Xbox 360 emulator
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 😭🤣👍👍
Wow. I didn't know about this yet. I am now playing games I love, such as Witcher 3, in a much higher resolution (5760x3240) with smooth motion, without needing a new graphics card!!! That is absolutely amazing. Before using my C1's motion interpolation, setting Witcher 3 in such a high resolution would result in making the game not totally unplayable (as my GTX 1080Ti has 11 GB of VRAM), but the motion would look very slow, due to the low resulting FPS. Now I can play the game in 5760x3240 resolution and the motion looks natural and smooth. It's like a miracle. I thought that would only be possible after buying a new RTX graphics card. I am now also playing Rise of Tomb Raider in 5120x2880 resolution and it looks smoother and much sharper than when I was playing it in 3840x2160 without C1's magnificent motion interpolation.
Awesome! Actually this gets even better brother. Try combining De-Judder with Motion Pro on High, it works! Watch the video I'm about to upload, this is the TV performing a miracle like you said, now from 30fps SDR to 240fps like on HDR and for some reason with De-Judder the Motion Pro is not dimming as much so we can use HLG tone mapping OFF or HGIG and It looks even better.
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Yes, Motion Pro on top of Motion Interpolation made Witcher 3 look super sharp and super immersive, there is pratically no blurring on anything, everything looks sharp and natural, from the ennviroments to the character's expressions. I never experienced this wonderful game with this quality before. I thought that playing the game with that kind of quality was a thing I would only get after buying a new RTX graphics card to replace my GTX 1080 Ti.
I would never use this for games that require precise inputs like racing or fighting or combat games..... But a turn based rpg? I will
For 30 De-Judder 10 Motion Pro Medium, for 60 De-Blur 10 Motion Pro Medium
Tested this with Horizon Forbidden West Fidelity mode and ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ I 100% recommend
Try De-Judder 10 Motion Pro Medium for 30 and De-Blur 10 Motion Pro Medium for 60fps/Hz
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I haven’t tried the 60fps/performance mode yet but I’ll give it a shot
A real Wii remote wth 😂
30fps is terrible on oled, imo. bfi and motion interpolation makes the experience far more palatable.
30fps terrible period
not its just 30fps...
damn u have the same tv as me, but i never knew this
Try it, it's jaw dropping
фантастик то фантастик, вот только гребаная задержка такая, что управление как в киселе
De-Judder 10, OLED Motion Pro Medium is 240fps like, actually (I didn't know that when I made this video)
you shouldn't be test input lag on car game that's a bad test💀 you should be testing it on FPS shooters
this is what RTX 40 Series is doing now tbh
Yes, I called it!
Sony TVs have the best motion interpolation. But you have to pay "Sony tax"...
I heard before that they have the best motion Interpolation indeed. I wonder how good Panasonic OLEDS are
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Even Benq has a 48" OLED Monitor now (Benq EX480UZ)
I play on my PS4 Pro at 60 fps the same way.
For 60fps use De-blur 10 Motion Pro Medium for the best motion clarity
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 well my games are only 30fps so my LG tv gives me double the frames meaning 60.
Record next time in 60fps please
this wont be good for fps games though
why are you uploading this video in 30fps man
I didn't have a better camera at that point. Now I have
Test the c2 🍻🍻
I will go to Bestbuy one of these days and make a video comparing a bunch of TVs
i used lg truemotion for gaming since i had xbox 360...third person games experience was better on 60fps than the original 30fps...i had tried on other lg tv model but the input lag was very bad
Yes, Samsung has interpolation on Game mode with auch better input response
what really helps with that is if your game gives you the ability to set the FOV in third person mode.. the further away the camera is from your character the less artifacting.. unless its ff15.. almost nothing gets rid of that games issue. Any game that uses the unreal engines hair physics is gonna artifact like crazy in motion interpolation.
Say hello to low input lag
The input lag is very high but De-Judder 10 Motion Pro Medium looks like 240fps
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 i mean high input lag, yes i know but its a big turn off
@@plasmatvforgaming9648120fps
Horrid input lag with motion interpolation on LG TVs. Samsung has waaaay better input lag and no artifacts when enabling interpolation in gaming.
Yes, Samsung has low latency motion interpolation, still, there's no way around the artifacts, and actually LG does a better job with 30fps. Watch Gaming Tech video comparing S95C with LG CX
@plasmatvforgaming9648 80+ ms on LG with interpolation vs 20+ millisecond on samsung with interpolation. It's not even close. You only feel it's tolerable in your video because you're driving in a straight line. But try speeding up and with many curves, you'll easily lose control.
@@Sejuani8920ms on Samsung is Not True Bro. Its nearly the same
I just changed from c1 to c2..
Both tv´s are not giving me sharp images.
With this de judder its much sharper.. for example.. watching tv.
On the c1 the de judder is no good.
Overal i´m still dissapointed because i dont think lg is any good.
I think these tv´s are just unfinished and we are test subjects.
Sharpness is a big issue on lg.
Watch my videos about the blur busters law, motion clarity is improved with De-Judder for 24 and 30fps/Hz content. The C2 has better motion interpolation and the C1 has better bfi. On the LG C1 120fps/Hz BFI with give you great motion clarity (High would be like playing at 312fps)
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 do you have any Idea why there are vibrations on the c2.. wat setting is doing that..
Sound vibrations?
Lol what? LG C series is fantastic I think you've calibrated wrong
120 FPS? not by a long shot. It very slightly improves on a lousy situation. Test The Witcher 3, for example. "Performance mode" 60 FPS = buttery smooth, snappy camera and character movement. "Ray tracing mode" 30 FPS = sluggish gameplay, like your character and camera are moving through water, and no amount of de-judder or tech magic options really help. Same goes for Cyberpunk 2077. It happens in my Samsung Q50 QLED and LG C2 OLED and it's impossible to play like that. It does NOT happen in my "old" living room Samsung LED TV. I thought more advanced and expensive tech should be better, not worse!
Bro recorded video with 24 fps to show us 120 fpa
I built the first half of the channel with the camera of a Google pixel 3, that's what I had.
You cray lol all those motion settings should be off when playing any game or the lag is awful
Latency goes through the roof and it's full of artefacts, not recommendable for pc
Let's see. I'll show multiple games in part 2
@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I just tried gta 5 on ps4 (and pc on 30hz too)
de-judder 10/10 and 5/10 works great when you don't touch the camera (with a soup road) but once you play normally it's totally unstable and drop back to 30fps when you do fast movements, i'd rather play the true butterystable 30fps x) in game mode with lowest input lag
Samsung is the best, look up their Motion Xcelerator Turbo Plus.
Dude it's Samsung no thanks
People think interpolation was invented just now. Sigh.
Motion Pro with artifacts...No thanks.
Can't agree at all. The judder or image stutter you get at low fps drains my eyes and brain and especially on screens bigger than 40 inches. I rather have such an artificial, mediocre solution than enduring the other problems.
Anything is better than 30 fps on a 65" OLED. The stutter and judger on 30 fps gives me a migraine.
Shame on you !
I love it anyone hating on is dumb