The epstein joke that got bleeped literally had my jaw on the floor when I was hate watching the show. I turned it off as soon as the sentence concluded, I literally felt icky just HEARING it. Whoever wrote that is disgusting.
@@bugsyboyhe basically said "i'm sh*tting more blo*d than a kid in Epstein Island"... It was said so casually and to be edgy, kinda like "look at this disgusting individual, he is so cruel" buuut it didn't worked out at all, it was a poor choice to leave that line in the show.
I love how its apparently 'woke' to NOT make fun of sexually abused children and sex trafficking... like honestly this is just disgusting. That's not dark humour thats just gross, morally lacking and detached from any semblance of basic humanity or decency and whoever wrote that line should take responsibility.
the thing is, it IS woke to not do those things, which makes it fucking ridiculous that the right has turned "wokeism" into some bizarre insult. Like it's a BAD thing to be morally and socially conscientious
@@gon6152the actual real definition of woke came from black people telling others to be vigilant against police brutality and govermentak corruption. Idk how its dumb. Right wing dumbasses using it to describe like anything progressive and yet simultaneously as an insult for people wanting to be nice/inclusive is what's fucking stupid.
@@gon6152no dude, "woke" is AAVE and basically means to be aware.of social issues, like you've "woken up". The right did not make up the word so it's weird to ignore that and apply a new meaning to it
I also need to point out that the backstory of the main character in The Idol is straight up just stolen from Jeanette McCurdy's real actual childhood. Which is incredibly fucked up.
Maybe I’m missing something but there’s really nothing about her backstory similar to Selena particularly. She has a good relationship with her mother and she started on Disney? Where are the similarities?
Alex Meyers made a really good point in his video about The Idol : they make a point about Jocelyn owning her own body by locking her intimacy coordinator in a closet so she can show off her boobs, as if intimacy coordinators aren’t responsible for keeping actors safe from being exploited and sexually abused.
As someone who has (unfortunately) seen all four seasons of 13 reasons why, it has WAAAAAAY more problems than what was discussed in this video. The gratuitous depictions of graphic sexual assault and attempted suicide, the attempt to make the audience sympathize with MULTIPLE rapist characters by showing that "they have trauma, guys, THATS why theyre so fucked up, they can still learn to be better :(" , the redemption arc for a character who tried shoot up an entire school, the horrific and painful death of one of the only characters with actual development solely to squeeze a few cheap tears out of the audience, the complete lack of understanding of mental health issues and queer issues..... It's a goddamn mess in every way and Im so glad it's not being promoted to teens today like it was promoted to me when I was a young teen.
God Tyler’s rape scene is seared into my brain it was so fucked up and disturbing and COMPLETELY unnecessary! We already know the football is a bunch of abusive fuckers! And honestly Hannah’s rape scene was way harder to watch than the suicide scene and I get that that’s a major plot point but they could’ve cut it off before the actual rape and easily imply it since we already knew what Bryce was.
@@heyimneverland8451 NO LITERALLY. like. You can show that morally depraved characters are multifaceted while also making it clear that their trauma is NOT an excuse for their behavior (the TV show "the boys" does this very well with the main antagonist, homelander), but 13 reasons why does a piss poor job of it. It's so incredibly irresponsible to imply that Bryce can/should be "forgiven" for his actions, especially since the audience is largely impressionable teenagers
But you fucking idiots still watched the show lmfao. "THEY'RE DOING THIS ALL WRONG!!! IM GONNA WATCH ALL OF IT, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T SHOW IT!!!!" But you literally give them money by watching it, the viewership for the idol shot waaaay the fuck up after all these videos came out, I didn't even know about the show until I saw dozens and dozens on TH-camrs desperately parasitically following the "hate" train, showing scenes from the shows which wait, don't they not get paid now? Since they showed copyrighted material...? So let me get this straight..you don't want me to watch the show, but you're shoving it down my throat? And you're watching the show to tell me about it? So you're paying for the show? Lmao and half the videos explain how they're redeeming qualities about the show, BUT ITS SO BAD DONT WATCH IT, WHATEVER YOU DO, DONT WATCH IT, AW SHIT DID YOU WATCH IT? It's definitely a new form of marketing, because it's "so bad you have to see it to believe it"
Literally me watching this J: "it has a lot of unmotivated nudity, unmotivated sex scenes etc. Seems like it's glorifying ugly topics" Me: wait this sounds familiar J: "btw the show is run by Sam Levinson Me: I KNEW IT
“The Idol” claiming to be a critique of abuse and exploitation reeks of Netflix’s Cuties being a critique of child sexualization while sexualizing children
Good artists and directors don't have to show the horrible thing to have the audience understand what's going on and why it's bad. Sam Levinson and the creep who directed Cuties are just a lazy pervs.
I hate this being compared to Cuties. As many issues as Cuties had, at least its always clear what the girls are doing stems from a fairlure of society to figure out how to treat girls and give them guidance and role models, or a safe way to navigate the beginings of adolescence. The girls do what they do because they are emulating successful women they see in the media. The idol just does things cause why not.
So many comedies have done this premise well because they are extremely self aware and making fun of how inhumane people in the entertainment industry can be. This is just an "I'm 14 and this is deep" show.
If this was bad, then how are you supposed show a character like the "mental illness is sexy" lady in the right way? How are you supposed write a bad/tone deaf characters like this? I genuinely want to know.
@@Hi-en7xx It's not unrealistic to have a ton of shitty people around you irl. Especially in this kind of setting. And the story isn't the first one to have a whole cast of unlikable characters.. but contrary to the other stories that are actually liked (despite having bad characters), there's something about The Idol that doesn't seem to work. For now I still feel kinda neutral about the show, outside of the cringy acting and the drama behind the scenes eww
I’m still stuck on the fact that the weekend and the euphoria guy, kicked the original female director out because “it had too much of a female perspective…” whatever the fuck that means
Yeah, Hannah’s death in 13RW was QUITE instructive. I saw the show when I was depressed and it did nothing for my mental health but provide me a step by step guide on how to k m s. Such an awful show
As far as I know it has been censored after being up for years, but they knew it was harmful while it was being made the guidelines and best practices were in place
I had that video downloaded and followed it. The first time watching it made me uncomfortable (which is good because suicide is uncomfortable) but by the 5th or 6th time I watched it, it became a goal. I wanted to be her so bad. They made it look so attainable.
I saw the show when I was suicidal and it saved my life. Other shows just glossed over it. 13RW going INNNNN on it was what I needed. It slapped me in the face with how visceral it is to do something like that. People think it's quick, easy and over, it's not. What Hannah did was sick. And I didn't wanna do that to myself I realised. Also stopped me from non-suicidal SH for a LONG time. I don't think anyone who wanted to do that couldn't have figured out how. I'm not saying that scene didn't harm anyone or that your experience was invalid, I'm just saying if someone really wanted to end their life they would figure out how.
I personally really liked it (the first season). I read the book a few years before it came out. The original death was with pills, but they changed it to a graphic death to scare people into not doing that act.
The line about epteins’s island children bleeding is so cruel and I can’t believe it was just a throwaway line. Atp I can’t listen to the weekend anymore or take anyone involved in this show seriously.
I’m in the same boat like holy fucking hell I was expecting this show to just be wildly misogynistic(and thinking it’s not because they’re aware of it or something pretentious like that 🙄) NOT THIS?! Whoever wrote that should be blacklisted good byeee
@@sp0ngeb00b7whoa you showed him!!! High five for social justice man..aw shit not man, I meant they? I think..idk. but yeah you're doing god's work, aw fuck wait nope gods canceled right? Idk good for you
This is like if someone took me at my 15 year old edgelord self and told me that I was right over and over again, then gave me the money to write a TV show.
I have to agree about the Weekend ruining his career with this show. With his music being about being a fuck boy and now him behind and acting in a show about gorlyfulling abuse it's really hard to not see him treating women like this.
there was a scene cut from Levinson's script for The Idol where Jocelyn puts an egg in her you know what and Tedros tells her he won't r word her if she breaks it and then she begs him to r word her. and the only reason they wouldn't make it was because they couldn't film Jocelyn doing that with the egg.
Okay so Sam Levinson clearly has a fetish for putting traumatized young women in horrifying sexual situations because HOW DO YOU EVEN COME UP WITH THAT
What sucks is that apparently the show was originally supposed to be a lot more of Jocelyn (the main characters) view/world, the weekend i'm pretty sure demanded a rewrite & possibly shoot off the show, which took out a lot of the 'feminist views' which inherently made his character seem bigger because Jocelyns became smaller
Another note about 13 reasons; the “final” scene with Hannah was too graphic and realistic they removed it. I saw it, and it definitely felt real and like a step by step guide. And there was a scene in season two where the outcast kid was abused extremely violently by the bully types. It involved a broom stick is all I’ll say, but that scene made me physically ill and I feel sick to the stomach every time I think about it. And I’m really not phased by much anymore. That show is genuinely horrific. And marketed at teens. How it’s only a 15+ show is baffling to me. Not just the rating but it’s about teens in high school, so ofc that’s going to attract the attention of teens in high school. Kids have enough going on these days without shows like this.
i haven't watched the show, but i have watched that horrid broom scene and i felt nervous going to the bathroom for days after that. and it's only 15+ too???? i definitely thought it would be 17/18..
I’ve never seen it but had that scene recounted by someone who took glee in watching shit like that…I’m really disgusted in directors of The Idol and 13RW and anyone who watched beyond maybe an episode with any reason beyond sheer disbelief honestly. It feels like it just feeds some sick fetish to me and creates more people who like to watch that sort of torture.
Not enough people are making the comparison that Andrew Tate IS this character. In real life. And we still have people defending him and more people angry at The Weeknd for a character.
@@jijitters I commented on a Facebook post about him being charged the other day and some (had to be 12-13) boy messaged me and told me “you just wish Andrew would rape and traffick you, you should be pimped out next”
I agree, but I feel like The Weekend deos deserve the hate. He deliberately had the script changed because he said, and I quote "it's too much about the female perspective". He and Sam both drastically changed it from a show about women being exploited to a show glorifying it.
@@n4z1f4 I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve it, I’m just saying we need to keep that same energy with the ones really out here doing it and bragging about it lol
It's one thing to PLAY a bad character in a story. It would be unfair to assume someone is bad because they play a bad person on TV, obviously. But the show is so tone deaf and the Weekend signed off on it. It at least points to a disconnect with reality, which is par for the course with celebrities. I think the fact that the Weekend isn't a strong actor plays into why people can't separate him from his character. It's a gross character, but if it were well performed, we wouldn't be thinking about the actor as much. Here we just see... the Weekend. So we think of Tedros as him and thus, feel icky about the Weekend.
People are also reacting negatively because they've realised that Abel is actually like this horrific person. For a decade he was just singing about it and people could pretend he was just playing the character of a druggie heartbreaker who casually mistreats women. With this show he's pretty much tipped his hand and revealed that he is that disgusting in real life
@@alaynadoby8380that's probably exactly why he wanted the role, to have an excuse to let his degeneracy run wild, especially with support from levinson
@@iyanubanks100 the whole twist ending of the show is that jocelyn lied about being abused by her mother and was "actually the one in control all along" with the weeknd's abusive character. it was fuckin wild. what energy to put out into today's world.
I just wish they had a set up for it..... It's like they got rushed and was like "fuck it! Let's make Jocelyn the manipulator all along!" Other than that one scene with Xander being tortured, which is incredible out of nowhere btw, Jocelyn doesn't really have a hint that she's the manipulator, she just seems very mentally unwell
The idea that “broken people make the best art” is such bs in my opinion, because I used to be so depressed and I was just straight up not doing art or writing back then. But now I’m feeling a lot better and I write every day, AND the quality of my stories is so much better because I have motivation. Like some people turn their pain into art but it’s not required and certainly not an excuse to keep people mentally ill
exactly! like i have depression (have had it for years) and honestly, i almost see my art as a reflection of my progress/current mental state now- when i've had bad bouts of it, i'd stop drawing for quite a while and it was only when i started to feel better that i began to draw more consistently again, with more effort put into the drawings. sure, i've used my pain/trauma as inspiration (often unintentional) for characters i've created, or even written lyrics related to my mental health- but it's not healthy in any way to purposefully stay in pain for the sake of art. it doesn't really work anyway.
I read somewhere that the people who did 13 Reasons Why consulted with mental health specialists and then did everything they were told not to do. Not sure if that really was the case. But they didn't remove the graphic, instructive suicide scene until two YEARS after it aired. After they got all their views and articles written about them. And there absolutely was an increase in youth suicides after the it aired, I think some actually copied the method shown. Shows like 13RW and The Idol show shocking, disturbing content just to be shocking and disturbing. It's not "having a conversation," it's not satire, not "art that you viewers just don't understand" or whatever other bullshit excuse they try to pull. It's exploitation and it's disgusting.
The only good thing about this show being released is that it's mask off for all of the people consensually involved. They're just broadcasting that they're brand risks.
honestly when i first heard that this show was co created by the person who created euphoria i knew exactly what it was going to be like, literally just the creators fetish badly disguised as something of substance and only made to produce controversy
I am praying that people STOP hate watching this show stop watching it entirely we cannot let the people who made it think that it is good and or popular just pirate it pleaseeeeee I guarantee hate watches will make hbo and the creators think that their content like this is successful and that Cannotttttt keep happening
from what they talked it seems like this show is when someone says offensive shit to get a reaction then screams that its just a joke when u tell them to shut up
Britney Spears was also never a risk taker. The only pop artist who parallels with what the show is supposed to get across but fails, was Christina Aguilera, who had tried to control her own image since the beginning and also was beaten by her father. It’s a shitshow, but they didn’t even do their homework
people think that the hospital band thing could be the weeknd taking a dig at selena because she actually has a cover for one of her singles where she has her hospital band on because she felt that it was real and raw or something like that. idk if it's true that he did that but if it is it makes me hate the show even more lmao
I have a fairly high tolerance for "dark" or "edgy" jokes, but that Epstein joke actually offends me. Like, I have listened to other Epstein jokes many times, found many of them funny, but Jesus Fucking Christ HBO what the fuck.
making an epstein joke , as in a joke ABOUT epstein himself, is mostly fine i think. but making jokes about his victims??? that's just incredibly fucked up.
I deleted the weeknd's songs from my playlists (not that there were many there in the first place) because I can't listen to his music anymore without thinking about this show 💀
As someone who lost someone to suicide, it really is so important how media portrays these topics as it can so easily influence someone who's mentally ill and unfortunately give them ideas. I will still never understand how the creators of 13RW took one look at the show and went "yeah that seems fine"
It seems like pop culture now consists of extremely cosseted American kids who have a really romanticised and envious view of trauma but don't understand what it is. In the past, a lot of art was created by people who had very difficult experiences, but now those people are so economically excluded that they have no ability to actively participate in culture. All we're left with is a load of rich kids talking about how they were devastated by minor inconveniences. We're not going to get, say, the incredible working class playwrights we had in the 80s as those people are now working themselves to death in an amazon warehouse.
When 13RW just came out, I really wanted to watch it, as someone who struggled heavily with those kinds of topics at the time. I can’t really remember the exact reason why I wanted to watch it, maybe to have my feelings validated or something, idk. But I actually never ended up watching it, because my mother forbade me from doing so. And I thank my lucky stars that she did that, because who knows how fucked up my mind would have become after watching that when I was in that kind of headspace. I still refuse to watch it myself, but I have heard some competent people discuss it and all of the mistakes it made. And knowing the fact that sewer-slide rates increased after the shows release makes me even more grateful that I wasn’t exposed to its influence.
about the 13 reasons why thing, they did in fact remove 2 scenes because they were too graphic, one was the scene were the main character hannah did yk what and the second one was the scene where tyler gets sa'd with a broom by some bullies
13 reasons why is literally (one of) my villain origin stories because I read the book as a teen and it literally was so moving and HELPFUL and was one of the reasons I did not do what Hannah did because it was painted in a bad and painful light but it was a good and moving book! I may not be saying any of this "correctly" but idk it makes me so mad that something that was very good and helpful to me was made into something like. fucking evil lol.
I used the watch Jacksepticeye in high school but then just naturally grew away from watching gamers but seeing how popular he’s gotten I was always slightly afraid he’d get a pewdiepie reputation… it’s nice to see she’s still a good guy and knows what’s up ❤
I didn't know about Jack's charity events But it fits. He's one of those content makers I often watch when not feeling that great. Same with Phelous. They have this ability to put me in a better mood.
its just a crude brutal porno fantasy. i dont think sam actually cares about art, he got the ability to make more after euphoria and thought oh boy time to finally make my sick banned ao3 fic a reality!!!
I read the book 13 Reasons Why before I saw the show and I was SO DISAPPOINTED. In the book, it’s a lot more contained, the suicide is less glorified, and the ending has an actual message of, “If you notice people who seem to be depressed and then suddenly change something, maybe reach out to them.” And in the book, the SA was a lot different, too. I was horrified by the show, and didn’t watch season two but read summaries and it seemed like it just got worse and worse.
W.t.f. I'm so glad people have come together to ridicule this show. I haven't heard anyone playing devils advocate for it and I'm so thankful for that.
I think pieces of media that deal with pieces of media should always have a counterbalance to it in the context of the story. For example, if you were to do the abuse for musical inspiration trope, you shouldn't put it in a light that makes it seem like it's a good thing, you would rather need to show that it breaks the character in a damaging way that may produce obviously very emotional and traumatic incident which can obviously in a creative person be construed into some kind of art that can lead to success as is seen in real life, but at the end of the day is very much not worth it and a very horrible thing. There should always be something that you can actually take away that is actually introspective or moral.
I literally saw this pop up and started laugh crying cuz I literally love all three of these men and their content and to see them together just made my entire day idc
Yes, I saw the original scene. It graphically depicted the main character unaliving herself. They took it out shortly after the first season was released bc of the backlash. It was really jarring and upsetting
@@abbydabbybackit should be illegal to upload things like that but they'll make the excuse that it isn't real and is just fantasy so it's fine. the way that people have this "all or nothing" view about fictional content really frustrates me because real or not, there is always a line that should be drawn when the content is harmful.
I remember when 13RW came out and I was in middle school at the time and the school sent letters to our parents warning them about the show bc there were so many like 11 and 12 year old kids watching it. I never watched it myself but I knew a lot of people who did and I remember when the episode with her death released because it genuinely traumatized a lot of really young kids
I remember my freshman year of high school, our head counselor was giving a presentation on mental health and bullying in our auditorium. Suddenly, there was a slide with a picture of someone about to (or already did, hard to remember since I wanted to block it out) of them cutting themselves. I could INSTANTLY feel the jarring uneasy feeling everyone had in the room. I was about to cry (since that was my worst year of my life, I felt like killing myself). I could NOT imagine why or how she thought that was a good idea at all. Jesus Christ it was so tone deaf.
The only good thing about this show's existence is the fact that it's exposing Sam Levinson as a creep and not the "critically acclaimed director" the critics dubbed him as after Euphoria
I agree with the 13 Reasons Why stuff that Sean talks about. My mom is a therapist and she hated the show for that exact reason. She had a bunch of patients that watched the show and were super triggered by it. It's disgusting that it got the amount of praise that it did. It was horrifically harmful and inappropriate for the audience it was trying to reach.
I knew it! I had this visceral, knee-jerk reaction to the trailer for this show. Something about it just irked me. I’ve been feeling guilty about that lately and wondering if I should give it a shot to be fair since I am a casual fan of the Weeknd’s music. Thank you for letting me know I can follow my gut on this one.
Yupp, I remember the 13RW shit. The scenes your thinking of that got removed are the broom scene (Guy r***** with a broom), and hannahs actual death also got removed.
As a big fan of The Weeknd's early music, I can't say I'm very surprised. There were some really dark themes in that music. Some of his fans took to using the motto "Until we OD," which I find pretty insulting as a former addict
Also, Sam Levinson has always been gross. The fact that no one thought Euphoria being set in High School wasn’t a huge red flag is beyond me. There are ways to tackle serious issues and the way he doesn’t ain’t it. But people are always quick to claim “It’s Art” instead of what it actually is… pedophilic. Because these “artists” can get away with it for the sake of art. Also, the show has literally been the worst thing The Weeknd could’ve done for his image/reputation. Now to everyone he’s creepy and no one takes him seriously. Any mysticism there was to him is long gone.
I saw the trailer for 13 Reasons Why without knowing about the premise and got a vibe from it right off the bat. After avoiding it like the plague I wasn't at all surprised to find out that the show had a negative effect because just the trailer gave me ick.
The way you spoke about "the contrarian" hits so close to home. I really cannot understand people who are like that. Its so frustraiting trying to present information and they just dismiss it because they read one headline...
I just have to say, the first season of 13 reasons why was a (VERY POORLY) adapted book of the same title that was honestly pretty well written if I remember correctly
i avoided that show as a plague, because ive had awful reactions with even mentions of the act. The thing is, im mentally healthy and have been for years, the birds sing the sky is blue and all of that, but if i had terrible reactions i cannot even fathom how others with closer experiences would feel or react. The only thing i would love to see on a show, would be the slow process to getting better and the right message being shared. There is not enough shows saying "ey it does get better, ey this pain that you feel is not really who you are, it can and will stop hurting, treatment freaking works"
Someone on twitter made a compilation comparing Selena Gomez’s life and clips from the show, I’m not sure if it’s canon BUT if Abel and Sam based it on her lifestory, that’s majorly fucked up…. Take it with a pinch of salt.
Ok..... 😤 I mentioned this before in my comment, but there is an anime movie from the 90's called "Midori: Shoujo Tsubaki". For the folks who see this who know what I'm talking about, my condolences to you all. For those who don't, it's about a 10-year-old girl named Midori who loses her parents, joins a circus, and is SA'd and tortured by her fellow carnies. Those aren't even _half_ the ways this movie will make you lose the last lingering thread of your innocence. It's the most banned movie in Japan. JAPAN!!! That should tell you how f*cked up it is. But somehow..... somehow..... "The Idol" manages to be _worse_ than this. It's nowhere near as gory. Not by a long shot. But "Shoujo Tsubaki" is f*cked up in the sense that this it is or was someone's reality. Most, if not all, of the exploitative, psychologically-fracturing shit that happens in the movie might've happened to someone else at some point in time. And you really buy it. "The Idol" is fucked up in the sense that it's an _idealized_ version of reality; one that champions the exploitation and psychological fracturing of others and leeching off of their pain like a literal vampire. This is someone's fantasy. THIS! Is someone's perfect world. And that, in my opinion, is what makes this more disturbing than "Shoujo Tsubaki" will ever be.
Generally from what I've heard about like serious mental health struggles (ie. Self Harm, suicide, etc.) Is that if you don't have to show them; DON'T, because they are very serious and sensitive topics that, unless coming from a very sensitive and/or personal place, are very difficult to navigate. If you DO have to address them, do your research, understand both your own and others stances towards the topic, what is your goal in showing this, and research what is the most appropriate way to approach this. This should be applied even when addressing your own experiences and memories because just one person incorrectly doing so could be someone else's last straw. This isn't to say these topics are NEVER to be addressed, but much in the way you should do your research before you go climb Mt. Everest, be careful, prepared, and tread lightly.
I remember way back when I did my year 12 argumentative presentation assignment on 13 reasons why and touching on how the portrayal of that show felt towards people with mental illness (alluding to myself and my ongoing journey with therapy) and it was received well in my class, though conflicting I guess as before that many people raved about that show as the show to watch and it just made me feel uncomfortable in its approach to discussing mental illness and its portrayal. It didn't serve well as a raw approach to mental illness there are better ways to discuss such subject without it feeling taboo is what I wanted to illustrate. I felt it would be a good idea to give people an insight into what fellow students could be experiences, or family members in a constructive way. Not as a way to ultimately be sensational, like breaking the boundaries which feels like these tv shows are missing the mark real bad like a kind of glamorisation that serves no good to no parties. There are so many media pieces that do so much better and I wish they got more attention for there representations. Feel free to put below your recommendations:)
TRIGGERING! I cannot stress enough how much I despise the romanticisation of trauma and all that roots out from it. It's taking such immense pain and mocking the gravity of it, from point of views of those who can't grasp the concept: People hurting so much they want to die, and being told by Hollywood that sad boys get all the puss, when sad boys can't function enough to wash or brush their teeth, or hate themselves so much they project their feelings unto others, because looking inward is unbearable, ruining any and all chances of fulfilling relationships. The reality of being committed and getting that edgy armband, while struggling to tell nightmare from reality, and waking at night not knowing if someone you love has raped you, because that's what your trauma tells you in your dreams and they replay your memories with your father's face -- while the guy you connected with yesterday ended his life and is carted out in the morning, and he just had a baby with his widow and now they're left without him. Being pulled back to death and doom everytime a loud noise or a bang sounds off, being lost in the memories like you're physically back in the hell you were done with years ago - where you witnessed the worst humans can do to each other, and you lost everything because you just want a break, and that break comes with the price of addiction. It's lonely and sad and painful in the most soul-crushing of ways. Being broken isn't sexy, it's survival and struggling, hanging on tooth and nail - and it makes me so, so, riled up when authors or Hollywood takes on these topics and don't handle them with the research, respect, and humanity that they deserve, for when they make a piece with it and twist the reality of it, it's like a big "fuck you" to what people suffering with such reality are experiencing. "We want the labels of your experience, but we don't want to touch the weight of the baggage that those labels carry." And then other people who don't relate with those labels or experiences give others the side eye for struggling, for all they know is what media has depicted. SMH!
All of the discourse around this show has only strengthened my opinion of how vain, entitled, and out of touch The Weeknd is. Just like how he said that the Board was full of idiots for not nominating him for a Grammy, now he's fuming that people don't love everything he put into this show and can't handle the criticism.
Keanu Reeves is in an 80s film called 'permanent record' and it's by far and a way the best depiction I've seen of teen suicide and the effects it has on teens who hear about it.
all i knew abt the weeknd before really is that he has a song about raping a lesbian straight so! not entirely surprised abt anything i heard abt this show considering hes involved
The fact that they fires the first director that was a woman because she had too much of a woman's prepective says it all.
This was the first red flag ☝
So true
@@alaynadoby8380 **crimson** flag
This
That’s what made me hate them
The epstein joke that got bleeped literally had my jaw on the floor when I was hate watching the show. I turned it off as soon as the sentence concluded, I literally felt icky just HEARING it. Whoever wrote that is disgusting.
my face fucking fell i want to forget it
@@fawnsfurrycreationswhat was it I refuse to watch the show
@@bugsyboyhe basically said "i'm sh*tting more blo*d than a kid in Epstein Island"... It was said so casually and to be edgy, kinda like "look at this disgusting individual, he is so cruel" buuut it didn't worked out at all, it was a poor choice to leave that line in the show.
Conclusion: you are an ethical/moral human being.
Frrr
I love how its apparently 'woke' to NOT make fun of sexually abused children and sex trafficking... like honestly this is just disgusting. That's not dark humour thats just gross, morally lacking and detached from any semblance of basic humanity or decency and whoever wrote that line should take responsibility.
the thing is, it IS woke to not do those things, which makes it fucking ridiculous that the right has turned "wokeism" into some bizarre insult. Like it's a BAD thing to be morally and socially conscientious
@@McBehrerits beginning to sound like the “guys is it gay to___?” but ‘guys is it woke to be a decent human beingg?’
@@McBehrernah being woke is dumb. You should look up what that rly means
@@gon6152the actual real definition of woke came from black people telling others to be vigilant against police brutality and govermentak corruption. Idk how its dumb. Right wing dumbasses using it to describe like anything progressive and yet simultaneously as an insult for people wanting to be nice/inclusive is what's fucking stupid.
@@gon6152no dude, "woke" is AAVE and basically means to be aware.of social issues, like you've "woken up". The right did not make up the word so it's weird to ignore that and apply a new meaning to it
Another J name has entered the sadboyz-verse
His name is Sean.
jk i get it i just thought the joke was funny
@@julesking1303J'Sean
@@evelynjenkins4456jeansepticeye, the french edition!
Along with JhadJhad
The J’a are getting more powerful
I also need to point out that the backstory of the main character in The Idol is straight up just stolen from Jeanette McCurdy's real actual childhood. Which is incredibly fucked up.
YOOOO YOU'RE RIGHT THATS SO GROSS 🤢
As well as Selena Gomez, the weekend’s ex.
That's horrifying to realise and you are absolutely right good lord
Its also eerily similar to Selena Gomez's story, who is the Weekend's ex. Keep in mind who was an executive producer on this show.
Maybe I’m missing something but there’s really nothing about her backstory similar to Selena particularly. She has a good relationship with her mother and she started on Disney? Where are the similarities?
Alex Meyers made a really good point in his video about The Idol : they make a point about Jocelyn owning her own body by locking her intimacy coordinator in a closet so she can show off her boobs, as if intimacy coordinators aren’t responsible for keeping actors safe from being exploited and sexually abused.
His point was great. Love that guy.
As someone who has (unfortunately) seen all four seasons of 13 reasons why, it has WAAAAAAY more problems than what was discussed in this video. The gratuitous depictions of graphic sexual assault and attempted suicide, the attempt to make the audience sympathize with MULTIPLE rapist characters by showing that "they have trauma, guys, THATS why theyre so fucked up, they can still learn to be better :(" , the redemption arc for a character who tried shoot up an entire school, the horrific and painful death of one of the only characters with actual development solely to squeeze a few cheap tears out of the audience, the complete lack of understanding of mental health issues and queer issues..... It's a goddamn mess in every way and Im so glad it's not being promoted to teens today like it was promoted to me when I was a young teen.
God Tyler’s rape scene is seared into my brain it was so fucked up and disturbing and COMPLETELY unnecessary! We already know the football is a bunch of abusive fuckers! And honestly Hannah’s rape scene was way harder to watch than the suicide scene and I get that that’s a major plot point but they could’ve cut it off before the actual rape and easily imply it since we already knew what Bryce was.
Rubbed me the wrong way the entire season 3 watching them try to humanize Bryce as he’s assaulted over 10 women like bro what
@@heyimneverland8451 NO LITERALLY. like. You can show that morally depraved characters are multifaceted while also making it clear that their trauma is NOT an excuse for their behavior (the TV show "the boys" does this very well with the main antagonist, homelander), but 13 reasons why does a piss poor job of it. It's so incredibly irresponsible to imply that Bryce can/should be "forgiven" for his actions, especially since the audience is largely impressionable teenagers
literally like i'm kinda traumatized from it 😭 as someone who had to watch the extremely graphic scenes as a kid welcome to the club 🙋♀️
But you fucking idiots still watched the show lmfao.
"THEY'RE DOING THIS ALL WRONG!!! IM GONNA WATCH ALL OF IT, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T SHOW IT!!!!"
But you literally give them money by watching it, the viewership for the idol shot waaaay the fuck up after all these videos came out, I didn't even know about the show until I saw dozens and dozens on TH-camrs desperately parasitically following the "hate" train, showing scenes from the shows which wait, don't they not get paid now? Since they showed copyrighted material...?
So let me get this straight..you don't want me to watch the show, but you're shoving it down my throat? And you're watching the show to tell me about it? So you're paying for the show? Lmao and half the videos explain how they're redeeming qualities about the show, BUT ITS SO BAD DONT WATCH IT, WHATEVER YOU DO, DONT WATCH IT, AW SHIT DID YOU WATCH IT?
It's definitely a new form of marketing, because it's "so bad you have to see it to believe it"
Literally me watching this
J: "it has a lot of unmotivated nudity, unmotivated sex scenes etc. Seems like it's glorifying ugly topics"
Me: wait this sounds familiar
J: "btw the show is run by Sam Levinson
Me: I KNEW IT
Euphoria: *nervous sweating*
WHO IS J THEY ARE ALL J
@@indieoregano How come you dont understand who J is? Its J! the one with wearing clothes!
@@indieoreganojarvis jordan and jean
NO BC HOW THE HELL IS RHIS GIY NOT ARRESTED????
“The Idol” claiming to be a critique of abuse and exploitation reeks of Netflix’s Cuties being a critique of child sexualization while sexualizing children
Good artists and directors don't have to show the horrible thing to have the audience understand what's going on and why it's bad. Sam Levinson and the creep who directed Cuties are just a lazy pervs.
I hate this being compared to Cuties. As many issues as Cuties had, at least its always clear what the girls are doing stems from a fairlure of society to figure out how to treat girls and give them guidance and role models, or a safe way to navigate the beginings of adolescence. The girls do what they do because they are emulating successful women they see in the media. The idol just does things cause why not.
@@BambiLena666 bro please don't tell me you're defending Cuties rn.
@@BambiLena666bro this better be bait
@@i_consume_bleach2478 the amount of likes it has tho... oh no
I knew the show was going to be garbage as soon as I heard the “mental illness is sexy” line.
So many comedies have done this premise well because they are extremely self aware and making fun of how inhumane people in the entertainment industry can be. This is just an "I'm 14 and this is deep" show.
If this was bad, then how are you supposed show a character like the "mental illness is sexy" lady in the right way? How are you supposed write a bad/tone deaf characters like this? I genuinely want to know.
@@patpat813I haven’t even gotten 5 minutes in and I can already see that this is pretty much the entire show, not just one person whos written to suck
@@Hi-en7xx It's not unrealistic to have a ton of shitty people around you irl. Especially in this kind of setting. And the story isn't the first one to have a whole cast of unlikable characters.. but contrary to the other stories that are actually liked (despite having bad characters), there's something about The Idol that doesn't seem to work. For now I still feel kinda neutral about the show, outside of the cringy acting and the drama behind the scenes eww
I’m still stuck on the fact that the weekend and the euphoria guy, kicked the original female director out because “it had too much of a female perspective…” whatever the fuck that means
Yeah, Hannah’s death in 13RW was QUITE instructive. I saw the show when I was depressed and it did nothing for my mental health but provide me a step by step guide on how to k m s. Such an awful show
As far as I know it has been censored after being up for years, but they knew it was harmful while it was being made the guidelines and best practices were in place
I had that video downloaded and followed it. The first time watching it made me uncomfortable (which is good because suicide is uncomfortable) but by the 5th or 6th time I watched it, it became a goal. I wanted to be her so bad. They made it look so attainable.
I saw the show when I was suicidal and it saved my life.
Other shows just glossed over it. 13RW going INNNNN on it was what I needed. It slapped me in the face with how visceral it is to do something like that. People think it's quick, easy and over, it's not. What Hannah did was sick. And I didn't wanna do that to myself I realised. Also stopped me from non-suicidal SH for a LONG time. I don't think anyone who wanted to do that couldn't have figured out how. I'm not saying that scene didn't harm anyone or that your experience was invalid, I'm just saying if someone really wanted to end their life they would figure out how.
@@Ghost_TokenI’m glad you’re still here
I personally really liked it (the first season). I read the book a few years before it came out. The original death was with pills, but they changed it to a graphic death to scare people into not doing that act.
The line about epteins’s island children bleeding is so cruel and I can’t believe it was just a throwaway line. Atp I can’t listen to the weekend anymore or take anyone involved in this show seriously.
Same 😔 and I liked his music quite a lot, that's just too much. 'same with Lily Rose. Ugh.
I’m in the same boat like holy fucking hell I was expecting this show to just be wildly misogynistic(and thinking it’s not because they’re aware of it or something pretentious like that 🙄) NOT THIS?! Whoever wrote that should be blacklisted good byeee
deleted all of his songs from my library 🤢
@@sp0ngeb00b7whoa you showed him!!! High five for social justice man..aw shit not man, I meant they? I think..idk. but yeah you're doing god's work, aw fuck wait nope gods canceled right? Idk good for you
@@kshamwhizzle6544 true, it would be nice to hear her side of things.
The cherry on top is the weeknd’s tweets since the show has started airing 😭 he’s soooo mad it’s so funny
Dude got into a fight with the Oreo brand account
He really saw the whole internet clowning Drake for being cringe and took that as a personal challenge.
@@MatchamushiGod he just needs to stop. The fire is burning and he’s just adding more fuel to it.
@@Matchamushi Not the Oreo brand! 💀
This is like if someone took me at my 15 year old edgelord self and told me that I was right over and over again, then gave me the money to write a TV show.
Seeing as Sam Levinson is a nepo baby (dad a famous director), that's almost literally what happened!
@@Arosukir6 I hated sam levinson since euphoria, his scripts have 0 to say.
I have to agree about the Weekend ruining his career with this show. With his music being about being a fuck boy and now him behind and acting in a show about gorlyfulling abuse it's really hard to not see him treating women like this.
he has allegations as well, right? Especially after all of this, I refuse to believe that he's putting up a persona. He's just a dick.
this show swears its a psuedo intellectual parody of what it actually is and it sucks so bad! glad to see you guys cover this too
there was a scene cut from Levinson's script for The Idol where Jocelyn puts an egg in her you know what and Tedros tells her he won't r word her if she breaks it and then she begs him to r word her. and the only reason they wouldn't make it was because they couldn't film Jocelyn doing that with the egg.
WHAT
this is so insane i almost didn't believe you but then i looked it up and. 🫠
JESUS CHRIST
Okay so Sam Levinson clearly has a fetish for putting traumatized young women in horrifying sexual situations because HOW DO YOU EVEN COME UP WITH THAT
I hate this so much. I hate this so much. I hate this so much.
What sucks is that apparently the show was originally supposed to be a lot more of Jocelyn (the main characters) view/world, the weekend i'm pretty sure demanded a rewrite & possibly shoot off the show, which took out a lot of the 'feminist views' which inherently made his character seem bigger because Jocelyns became smaller
Another note about 13 reasons; the “final” scene with Hannah was too graphic and realistic they removed it. I saw it, and it definitely felt real and like a step by step guide. And there was a scene in season two where the outcast kid was abused extremely violently by the bully types. It involved a broom stick is all I’ll say, but that scene made me physically ill and I feel sick to the stomach every time I think about it. And I’m really not phased by much anymore. That show is genuinely horrific. And marketed at teens. How it’s only a 15+ show is baffling to me. Not just the rating but it’s about teens in high school, so ofc that’s going to attract the attention of teens in high school. Kids have enough going on these days without shows like this.
i haven't watched the show, but i have watched that horrid broom scene and i felt nervous going to the bathroom for days after that. and it's only 15+ too???? i definitely thought it would be 17/18..
I’ve never seen it but had that scene recounted by someone who took glee in watching shit like that…I’m really disgusted in directors of The Idol and 13RW and anyone who watched beyond maybe an episode with any reason beyond sheer disbelief honestly. It feels like it just feeds some sick fetish to me and creates more people who like to watch that sort of torture.
my friend facetimed me crying and hyperventilating after seeing the broomstick scene. 13rw was a NIGHTMARE
that scene was fucking sickening. like ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR THAT
Not enough people are making the comparison that Andrew Tate IS this character. In real life. And we still have people defending him and more people angry at The Weeknd for a character.
It's scary to think about how many people defend that man.
A lot of overtly powerful men are that character. We learned little from the Weinstein scandal
@@jijitters I commented on a Facebook post about him being charged the other day and some (had to be 12-13) boy messaged me and told me “you just wish Andrew would rape and traffick you, you should be pimped out next”
I agree, but I feel like The Weekend deos deserve the hate. He deliberately had the script changed because he said, and I quote "it's too much about the female perspective". He and Sam both drastically changed it from a show about women being exploited to a show glorifying it.
@@n4z1f4 I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve it, I’m just saying we need to keep that same energy with the ones really out here doing it and bragging about it lol
It's one thing to PLAY a bad character in a story. It would be unfair to assume someone is bad because they play a bad person on TV, obviously. But the show is so tone deaf and the Weekend signed off on it. It at least points to a disconnect with reality, which is par for the course with celebrities.
I think the fact that the Weekend isn't a strong actor plays into why people can't separate him from his character. It's a gross character, but if it were well performed, we wouldn't be thinking about the actor as much. Here we just see... the Weekend. So we think of Tedros as him and thus, feel icky about the Weekend.
I think it didn't help that The Weeknd is actually defending the show. lol
Also Sam Levinson and The Weekend were publicly saying how much input they had in the writing… like that doesn’t help how people perceive him.
Not just him being a bad actor but the fact that he actually had alot to do with the direction of the show also is a problem.
People are also reacting negatively because they've realised that Abel is actually like this horrific person. For a decade he was just singing about it and people could pretend he was just playing the character of a druggie heartbreaker who casually mistreats women. With this show he's pretty much tipped his hand and revealed that he is that disgusting in real life
@@alaynadoby8380that's probably exactly why he wanted the role, to have an excuse to let his degeneracy run wild, especially with support from levinson
sorry to report but it got WORSER. apparently jocelyn was faking everything and is the "real" abuser 🙃
Wait what??
@@iyanubanks100 the whole twist ending of the show is that jocelyn lied about being abused by her mother and was "actually the one in control all along" with the weeknd's abusive character. it was fuckin wild. what energy to put out into today's world.
@@WolvesRAwsome1 oh noo😖
I just wish they had a set up for it..... It's like they got rushed and was like "fuck it! Let's make Jocelyn the manipulator all along!"
Other than that one scene with Xander being tortured, which is incredible out of nowhere btw, Jocelyn doesn't really have a hint that she's the manipulator, she just seems very mentally unwell
This is a very unexpected collab that I love 😢
Why are you sad? :(
@@russellfisher1303 These are tears of joy 🫡
@@nightjetts🥲
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The idea that “broken people make the best art” is such bs in my opinion, because I used to be so depressed and I was just straight up not doing art or writing back then. But now I’m feeling a lot better and I write every day, AND the quality of my stories is so much better because I have motivation. Like some people turn their pain into art but it’s not required and certainly not an excuse to keep people mentally ill
exactly! like i have depression (have had it for years) and honestly, i almost see my art as a reflection of my progress/current mental state now- when i've had bad bouts of it, i'd stop drawing for quite a while and it was only when i started to feel better that i began to draw more consistently again, with more effort put into the drawings. sure, i've used my pain/trauma as inspiration (often unintentional) for characters i've created, or even written lyrics related to my mental health- but it's not healthy in any way to purposefully stay in pain for the sake of art. it doesn't really work anyway.
I read somewhere that the people who did 13 Reasons Why consulted with mental health specialists and then did everything they were told not to do. Not sure if that really was the case. But they didn't remove the graphic, instructive suicide scene until two YEARS after it aired. After they got all their views and articles written about them. And there absolutely was an increase in youth suicides after the it aired, I think some actually copied the method shown. Shows like 13RW and The Idol show shocking, disturbing content just to be shocking and disturbing. It's not "having a conversation," it's not satire, not "art that you viewers just don't understand" or whatever other bullshit excuse they try to pull. It's exploitation and it's disgusting.
The only good thing about this show being released is that it's mask off for all of the people consensually involved. They're just broadcasting that they're brand risks.
Would you believe me if I said that was intentional? lol
honestly when i first heard that this show was co created by the person who created euphoria i knew exactly what it was going to be like, literally just the creators fetish badly disguised as something of substance and only made to produce controversy
"There's an awareness of it but it's like a stupid person's awareness of it" Yeah that's a Sam Levinson production
I'm so glad people are realizing that Sam Levinson actually isn't that great of a writer 🙃
and that he's a massive creep
@@quandaredevilfr man is the walking embodiment of "the writers barely disguised fethish" meme
I am praying that people STOP hate watching this show stop watching it entirely we cannot let the people who made it think that it is good and or popular just pirate it pleaseeeeee I guarantee hate watches will make hbo and the creators think that their content like this is successful and that Cannotttttt keep happening
from what they talked it seems like this show is when someone says offensive shit to get a reaction then screams that its just a joke when u tell them to shut up
Britney Spears was also never a risk taker. The only pop artist who parallels with what the show is supposed to get across but fails, was Christina Aguilera, who had tried to control her own image since the beginning and also was beaten by her father. It’s a shitshow, but they didn’t even do their homework
Jacksepticeye making content with all my faves is something I love to see
people think that the hospital band thing could be the weeknd taking a dig at selena because she actually has a cover for one of her singles where she has her hospital band on because she felt that it was real and raw or something like that. idk if it's true that he did that but if it is it makes me hate the show even more lmao
I have a fairly high tolerance for "dark" or "edgy" jokes, but that Epstein joke actually offends me.
Like, I have listened to other Epstein jokes many times, found many of them funny, but Jesus Fucking Christ HBO what the fuck.
making an epstein joke , as in a joke ABOUT epstein himself, is mostly fine i think. but making jokes about his victims??? that's just incredibly fucked up.
@@jongininikim5219 Aye. Punching up versus punching down.
@@georgeandrews1394PRECISELY this is what no-one gets about dark humour. You never punch down.
I deleted the weeknd's songs from my playlists (not that there were many there in the first place) because I can't listen to his music anymore without thinking about this show 💀
I'm about to do the same... Makes me sick
No because, same💀
As someone who lost someone to suicide, it really is so important how media portrays these topics as it can so easily influence someone who's mentally ill and unfortunately give them ideas. I will still never understand how the creators of 13RW took one look at the show and went "yeah that seems fine"
It seems like pop culture now consists of extremely cosseted American kids who have a really romanticised and envious view of trauma but don't understand what it is. In the past, a lot of art was created by people who had very difficult experiences, but now those people are so economically excluded that they have no ability to actively participate in culture. All we're left with is a load of rich kids talking about how they were devastated by minor inconveniences. We're not going to get, say, the incredible working class playwrights we had in the 80s as those people are now working themselves to death in an amazon warehouse.
When 13RW just came out, I really wanted to watch it, as someone who struggled heavily with those kinds of topics at the time. I can’t really remember the exact reason why I wanted to watch it, maybe to have my feelings validated or something, idk. But I actually never ended up watching it, because my mother forbade me from doing so. And I thank my lucky stars that she did that, because who knows how fucked up my mind would have become after watching that when I was in that kind of headspace. I still refuse to watch it myself, but I have heard some competent people discuss it and all of the mistakes it made. And knowing the fact that sewer-slide rates increased after the shows release makes me even more grateful that I wasn’t exposed to its influence.
i'm glad you didn't watch it too! i hope you're doing a lot better now
about the 13 reasons why thing, they did in fact remove 2 scenes because they were too graphic, one was the scene were the main character hannah did yk what and the second one was the scene where tyler gets sa'd with a broom by some bullies
I genuinely think if I watched the show I'd throw up from being triggered. Media about abuse should be FOR victims.
13 reasons why is literally (one of) my villain origin stories because I read the book as a teen and it literally was so moving and HELPFUL and was one of the reasons I did not do what Hannah did because it was painted in a bad and painful light but it was a good and moving book! I may not be saying any of this "correctly" but idk it makes me so mad that something that was very good and helpful to me was made into something like. fucking evil lol.
do you mind explaining some of the differences between the book and the show? i always assumed the book was just as bad because of the concept alone.
I used the watch Jacksepticeye in high school but then just naturally grew away from watching gamers but seeing how popular he’s gotten I was always slightly afraid he’d get a pewdiepie reputation… it’s nice to see she’s still a good guy and knows what’s up ❤
I didn't know about Jack's charity events
But it fits. He's one of those content makers I often watch when not feeling that great.
Same with Phelous. They have this ability to put me in a better mood.
His Christmas charity specials in particular are great!
its just a crude brutal porno fantasy. i dont think sam actually cares about art, he got the ability to make more after euphoria and thought oh boy time to finally make my sick banned ao3 fic a reality!!!
Love that ToTM coffee is front and center on the table
I read the book 13 Reasons Why before I saw the show and I was SO DISAPPOINTED. In the book, it’s a lot more contained, the suicide is less glorified, and the ending has an actual message of, “If you notice people who seem to be depressed and then suddenly change something, maybe reach out to them.” And in the book, the SA was a lot different, too. I was horrified by the show, and didn’t watch season two but read summaries and it seemed like it just got worse and worse.
Tedros, Tedros, like Humbert, Humbert
I watched episode one with my fiancé, and at the end we *ALMOST SIMULTANEOUSLY* said “yea I’m good”
W.t.f. I'm so glad people have come together to ridicule this show. I haven't heard anyone playing devils advocate for it and I'm so thankful for that.
Honestly listening to you guys talk was so therapeutic
dude will forever be tedros the weekendto me. he is horrible, I kind of want to fight him irl.
I think pieces of media that deal with pieces of media should always have a counterbalance to it in the context of the story. For example, if you were to do the abuse for musical inspiration trope, you shouldn't put it in a light that makes it seem like it's a good thing, you would rather need to show that it breaks the character in a damaging way that may produce obviously very emotional and traumatic incident which can obviously in a creative person be construed into some kind of art that can lead to success as is seen in real life, but at the end of the day is very much not worth it and a very horrible thing. There should always be something that you can actually take away that is actually introspective or moral.
I literally saw this pop up and started laugh crying cuz I literally love all three of these men and their content and to see them together just made my entire day idc
Jarvis was correct, the su!cide scene in 13RW was censored because a lot of people complained about how directly it was shown.
After years! Mental health experts were consulted in the making of the show but they just ignored the professional advice
Yes, I saw the original scene. It graphically depicted the main character unaliving herself. They took it out shortly after the first season was released bc of the backlash. It was really jarring and upsetting
I saw the original scene and it was definitely intense and triggering
Unfortunately the rape scenes are being uploaded to porn sites. It's disgusting and disturbing.
@@abbydabbybackit should be illegal to upload things like that but they'll make the excuse that it isn't real and is just fantasy so it's fine. the way that people have this "all or nothing" view about fictional content really frustrates me because real or not, there is always a line that should be drawn when the content is harmful.
I remember when 13RW came out and I was in middle school at the time and the school sent letters to our parents warning them about the show bc there were so many like 11 and 12 year old kids watching it. I never watched it myself but I knew a lot of people who did and I remember when the episode with her death released because it genuinely traumatized a lot of really young kids
I remember my freshman year of high school, our head counselor was giving a presentation on mental health and bullying in our auditorium. Suddenly, there was a slide with a picture of someone about to (or already did, hard to remember since I wanted to block it out) of them cutting themselves. I could INSTANTLY feel the jarring uneasy feeling everyone had in the room. I was about to cry (since that was my worst year of my life, I felt like killing myself). I could NOT imagine why or how she thought that was a good idea at all. Jesus Christ it was so tone deaf.
This is such a cozy collab, would love to see more of you guys together :)
The only good thing about this show's existence is the fact that it's exposing Sam Levinson as a creep and not the "critically acclaimed director" the critics dubbed him as after Euphoria
I listen to so many goofy ass podcasts about nothing, this was a really engaging conversation. I gotta sub
sam levinson's writing just so problematic for no reason
Gotta love the Nujabes playing softly in the background
If only they had the original crew and director do their thing it probably would have been good
I agree with the 13 Reasons Why stuff that Sean talks about. My mom is a therapist and she hated the show for that exact reason. She had a bunch of patients that watched the show and were super triggered by it. It's disgusting that it got the amount of praise that it did. It was horrifically harmful and inappropriate for the audience it was trying to reach.
I knew it! I had this visceral, knee-jerk reaction to the trailer for this show. Something about it just irked me. I’ve been feeling guilty about that lately and wondering if I should give it a shot to be fair since I am a casual fan of the Weeknd’s music. Thank you for letting me know I can follow my gut on this one.
8:45 wow this segment really brought the issue to the light.
4:40 jarvis just summarized the whole show with that line
You know that beeped line is bad when I know what he was talking about literally as SOON as he brought it up
Yupp, I remember the 13RW shit. The scenes your thinking of that got removed are the broom scene (Guy r***** with a broom), and hannahs actual death also got removed.
As a big fan of The Weeknd's early music, I can't say I'm very surprised. There were some really dark themes in that music. Some of his fans took to using the motto "Until we OD," which I find pretty insulting as a former addict
If there is one thing that the weeknd will do in every project, it's disrespect women.
Also, Sam Levinson has always been gross. The fact that no one thought Euphoria being set in High School wasn’t a huge red flag is beyond me. There are ways to tackle serious issues and the way he doesn’t ain’t it. But people are always quick to claim “It’s Art” instead of what it actually is… pedophilic. Because these “artists” can get away with it for the sake of art.
Also, the show has literally been the worst thing The Weeknd could’ve done for his image/reputation. Now to everyone he’s creepy and no one takes him seriously. Any mysticism there was to him is long gone.
Someone wrote that Epstein joke and was like ‘this is my magnum opus’
the hairbrush thing pissed me off so bad that’s literally what my mom used to do to me… and they made it some dumb sexual thing on the show oh my god
I saw the trailer for 13 Reasons Why without knowing about the premise and got a vibe from it right off the bat. After avoiding it like the plague I wasn't at all surprised to find out that the show had a negative effect because just the trailer gave me ick.
CUZ IM A FREAK YEAHHH
AND YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT BAAADD
the weeknd is such a creep.. the fact that he wrote this character himself
You know you f***ed up when even Jacksepticeye says something.
As soon as you said line came from x character I knew what line it was, I haven't seen the show but Ive seen people rightfully sh!tting on it
Where could I find it? I know nothing about the show
@@emma-di5lyd’angelo wallace’s new video includes it and a lot more
@@emma-di5ly Aaron and jo covered the episode and the line is in there
Its so nice to see conent creators that i watch be in the same room as eachother while creating content so glad covid (lockdown) is over
*the top of the morning coffee on the table while they talk abt su*c*de and abuse representation in media:*
The way you spoke about "the contrarian" hits so close to home. I really cannot understand people who are like that. Its so frustraiting trying to present information and they just dismiss it because they read one headline...
I just have to say, the first season of 13 reasons why was a (VERY POORLY) adapted book of the same title that was honestly pretty well written if I remember correctly
i avoided that show as a plague, because ive had awful reactions with even mentions of the act. The thing is, im mentally healthy and have been for years, the birds sing the sky is blue and all of that, but if i had terrible reactions i cannot even fathom how others with closer experiences would feel or react.
The only thing i would love to see on a show, would be the slow process to getting better and the right message being shared. There is not enough shows saying "ey it does get better, ey this pain that you feel is not really who you are, it can and will stop hurting, treatment freaking works"
this collab has a grip on me with my gaming side of yt meeting my commentary im dyinnggg
Someone on twitter made a compilation comparing Selena Gomez’s life and clips from the show, I’m not sure if it’s canon BUT if Abel and Sam based it on her lifestory, that’s majorly fucked up…. Take it with a pinch of salt.
i keep being subjected to information abt this show against my will
the look of genuine disturbance on jordan's face as jarvis recounts the hairbrush scene kinda just says it all
Ok..... 😤
I mentioned this before in my comment, but there is an anime movie from the 90's called "Midori: Shoujo Tsubaki". For the folks who see this who know what I'm talking about, my condolences to you all. For those who don't, it's about a 10-year-old girl named Midori who loses her parents, joins a circus, and is SA'd and tortured by her fellow carnies.
Those aren't even _half_ the ways this movie will make you lose the last lingering thread of your innocence. It's the most banned movie in Japan. JAPAN!!! That should tell you how f*cked up it is. But somehow..... somehow..... "The Idol" manages to be _worse_ than this.
It's nowhere near as gory. Not by a long shot. But "Shoujo Tsubaki" is f*cked up in the sense that this it is or was someone's reality. Most, if not all, of the exploitative, psychologically-fracturing shit that happens in the movie might've happened to someone else at some point in time. And you really buy it.
"The Idol" is fucked up in the sense that it's an _idealized_ version of reality; one that champions the exploitation and psychological fracturing of others and leeching off of their pain like a literal vampire. This is someone's fantasy. THIS! Is someone's perfect world. And that, in my opinion, is what makes this more disturbing than "Shoujo Tsubaki" will ever be.
Even hearing it recounted irked me. I'm so glad I never watched The Idol. What is this show trying to tell abuse survivors?
Jackaboy! thanks u guys for tackling this and being so respectful!
10:15 It’s crazy how we all know what part they’re referencing..
I don't?
Generally from what I've heard about like serious mental health struggles (ie. Self Harm, suicide, etc.) Is that if you don't have to show them; DON'T, because they are very serious and sensitive topics that, unless coming from a very sensitive and/or personal place, are very difficult to navigate. If you DO have to address them, do your research, understand both your own and others stances towards the topic, what is your goal in showing this, and research what is the most appropriate way to approach this.
This should be applied even when addressing your own experiences and memories because just one person incorrectly doing so could be someone else's last straw.
This isn't to say these topics are NEVER to be addressed, but much in the way you should do your research before you go climb Mt. Everest, be careful, prepared, and tread lightly.
I remember way back when I did my year 12 argumentative presentation assignment on 13 reasons why and touching on how the portrayal of that show felt towards people with mental illness (alluding to myself and my ongoing journey with therapy) and it was received well in my class, though conflicting I guess as before that many people raved about that show as the show to watch and it just made me feel uncomfortable in its approach to discussing mental illness and its portrayal. It didn't serve well as a raw approach to mental illness there are better ways to discuss such subject without it feeling taboo is what I wanted to illustrate. I felt it would be a good idea to give people an insight into what fellow students could be experiences, or family members in a constructive way. Not as a way to ultimately be sensational, like breaking the boundaries which feels like these tv shows are missing the mark real bad like a kind of glamorisation that serves no good to no parties. There are so many media pieces that do so much better and I wish they got more attention for there representations. Feel free to put below your recommendations:)
TRIGGERING!
I cannot stress enough how much I despise the romanticisation of trauma and all that roots out from it. It's taking such immense pain and mocking the gravity of it, from point of views of those who can't grasp the concept:
People hurting so much they want to die, and being told by Hollywood that sad boys get all the puss, when sad boys can't function enough to wash or brush their teeth, or hate themselves so much they project their feelings unto others, because looking inward is unbearable, ruining any and all chances of fulfilling relationships.
The reality of being committed and getting that edgy armband, while struggling to tell nightmare from reality, and waking at night not knowing if someone you love has raped you, because that's what your trauma tells you in your dreams and they replay your memories with your father's face -- while the guy you connected with yesterday ended his life and is carted out in the morning, and he just had a baby with his widow and now they're left without him.
Being pulled back to death and doom everytime a loud noise or a bang sounds off, being lost in the memories like you're physically back in the hell you were done with years ago - where you witnessed the worst humans can do to each other, and you lost everything because you just want a break, and that break comes with the price of addiction.
It's lonely and sad and painful in the most soul-crushing of ways.
Being broken isn't sexy, it's survival and struggling, hanging on tooth and nail - and it makes me so, so, riled up when authors or Hollywood takes on these topics and don't handle them with the research, respect, and humanity that they deserve, for when they make a piece with it and twist the reality of it, it's like a big "fuck you" to what people suffering with such reality are experiencing. "We want the labels of your experience, but we don't want to touch the weight of the baggage that those labels carry."
And then other people who don't relate with those labels or experiences give others the side eye for struggling, for all they know is what media has depicted. SMH!
Beautifully written. I hear you. I validate.
Today I learned Weeknd was spelled without the last e. Just in time to stay relevant.
THE CRAZIEST CROSS OVER😭😭😭
All of the discourse around this show has only strengthened my opinion of how vain, entitled, and out of touch The Weeknd is. Just like how he said that the Board was full of idiots for not nominating him for a Grammy, now he's fuming that people don't love everything he put into this show and can't handle the criticism.
Keanu Reeves is in an 80s film called 'permanent record' and it's by far and a way the best depiction I've seen of teen suicide and the effects it has on teens who hear about it.
all i knew abt the weeknd before really is that he has a song about raping a lesbian straight so! not entirely surprised abt anything i heard abt this show considering hes involved
I love that jack is promoting his coffee 😂