It is a valid comment. My experience with triathletes entering crits has been horrible. I stay away from them until they've learned how to corner and race around other people.
Horrible racing tactics, yet extremely fun watching Dan act like a boss. I would love to see more of Dan using his power profile with some good tactics
I mean idk, 2nd place in a Crit is pretty insane for just going full gas the whole time... Also huge power move to attack the guy he broke away with lol
Dan.. Unleash Hell, when the time is right. The start of the race is never the right time. Insightful video as always! I feel sorry for anyone racing against Dan, even moreso when Dan gets more experienced, skilled, and patient in crits.
That looks like a pretty narrow course. You could easily get stuck behind a group while the winning break gets away. If I had Dan's power I'd want to get out in front of the pack right from the gun too, cyclocross style.
Start of the race is often the time it splits. Agree it isn't often the winning move, but you have to be in front or you could end up in a second or third group with awesome legs but nothing to be raced for.
Philip Maynard The start only works if you have a team or temporary allies willing to alternate draft with you. Almost everyone will let you waste your energy and just leech the draft
It's not unusual for a trained athlete to show up to a race for the first time and demolish the field. I've seen this happen at collegiate races when triathletes from the same university showed up to the home race to race C or D categories and went solo from the flag drop. They also trained with us on Wednesday worlds, so they were just as strong as A or B riders. Still, and not to sound more discouraging, those power numbers and crit racing on a windy day are quite impressive. The weekly race series in Britain is fun!
Yes, had a high level cross country runner get on a bike for a 40 minute crit. He wasn't fast, turned like a duck yet we couldn't maintain his remaining power. Guy got caught out in the final sprint and finished 5 of 40. Said he'd never do it again, too scary.
Coach: "So what you want to do is go hard for a lap and a half, then settle in and mark your competition. Take mental notes and cover attacks. Share work with others, steady rotation pacelines, don't forget to fuel. Triathlon Dan: "Go 100% full gas from gun to checkered flag? Gotcha!"
Some of Dan's speed readouts HAD to be wonky....like maintaining 35 MPH solo into a headwind. If not, he might as well skip the next steps and take on the Tour De France. Definitely impressive regardless.
That was awesome to see. Look forward to seeing him hitting Alviso and lapping the field. Some more experience and instead of dropping 1-2s at each corner on those behind I expect he'll be going solo yolo the whole time. He's got the legs and the pumper to whitewash the field.
Just for info - cat 4 crits like this one are the EASIEST crits we have in England. There is no cat 5. For someone trying to get into crit racing there are ridiculously high barriers to entry fitness wise!!! My FTP of 240 got me dropped after 1 lap in the last crit I did
Once upon a time I had an experience where a magazine writer/nationally ranked triathlete jumped in the Cat IV field on a weekend stage race (I'm talking about you Tom D.). He didn't bury us too bad in the TT, but jumped with three laps to go in the afternoon crit and rode away from the field. (late 80's when we had 90+ riders in Cat IV races) We marked him on the road race next day so he couldn't get away, but neither could anyone else. A strong athlete is a strong athlete, and if they race their strengths & train their weaknesses, they will do well. Fortunately for the rest of that season's racing, USCF mercifully quickly upgraded him to III then II.
Jeff, in many Triathlon races, drafting is legal, i.e., Sprint Triathlon (20 km bike) and Olympic distance Triathlon (40 km bike),so short distance triathletes know how to draft mostly.
For an endurance athlete, triathlete or not, power peaks are a non-issue because recovery is quick enough. Plenty of shots available. Problems start if you're sustaining a high power for a long time. Basically they need to know what power is sustainable and keep it at that level with a few peaks and valleys rather than keep it constant above sustainable.
Professional triathlete? They know how to ride in groups, the train in road bikes and the olympics triathlon you are allowed to draft.. I think he knew he was sandbagging and did the right thing, push everyone. I actually liked how he raced given he is sandbagging. If he is just a random triathlete man, he was pro watts, and still is sandbagging.
as someone that raced triathlons and moved to crit racing, it took a while. power is not the issue, its the technical ability. cycling is so different to triathlon. triathlon is just a time trial with 3 sports, there is not racing. cycling is actual racing. why i switched after 30 or so races it became boring.
@@Second247 there is one series, ITU I think, that allow drafting. Sprint distance can be more fun even with no drafting in that regard because there are just more people around as the race is much shorter. It's not unusual in a half or iron distance event to be out there sort of on your own for a reasonable distance.
@@morosis82 ITU doesn't exist anymore, now called World Triathlon, and is reserved for elite racing. Local draft legal races don't really exist in triathlon because most athletes aren't technically proficient, and there's big gaps between people out of the water. I've done WT races and they are actual racing, because everyone is strong in all 3 disciplines so you generally have large groups on the bike
no doubt, even among road racers, cries are a special. A 1/2 mile course with 4 or 6 turns... must be at the front, and cab corner to an extreme. yea, use the weak guy until he cracks. Dan's a beast.
Never done a crit but... This gives me confidence that I would be a decent crit racer..my peak is 1600+ and I can sustain around 500w for a few minutes. Thoughts?
Power data is directly from the power meter. Speed data is based on gps which can be spotty. Look at average speed over a long distance and things will even out
Cat 4 power encompasses an extremely wide range because everyone has to move through Cat 4 to move up categories. So you have folks there with Cat 1 or 2 power who just don’t have enough upgrade points yet.
The point of the commentary is that you don't need that kind of power. Obviously, Dan is going jump up the cats quickly, but don't be overawed by anyone else. We get better by doing.
The categories are based on experience, not skill level. You will almost always find very strong riders in Cat 4 while they accumulate points to move up.
His fitness is good but that’s only one part of success, his cornering and especially his strategy needs a ton of work, that’s why he lost. I’ll praise anyone racing their bike in good faith
@@NorCalCycling me too but the fact he smashed them from the start - he knew he was stronger. He lost because he rode like a triathlete. You're right in telling him to learn to race first (has he been watching your channel at all?).
This has honestly made my day, thanks so much guys. I’ll have to send in some more footage of me getting my head kicked in as I moved up categories 😬🤟
Great Effort! 👌🤘
Drafting is allowed, Dan...
(insane power - good work)
Awesome to get your footage on here dan 👏
Wow, nice one Dan getting this here
thanks for sending it in.
Not for nothing, but it looked like he was also handling the corners pretty well for a first time crit dude. Very impressive.
First time crit maybe but not first time on racing a bike. He is a triathlete after all.
It is a valid comment. My experience with triathletes entering crits has been horrible. I stay away from them until they've learned how to corner and race around other people.
Agreed!! He’s gotta work on strategy and then look out bc dan will be racking up the wins
Horrible racing tactics, yet extremely fun watching Dan act like a boss. I would love to see more of Dan using his power profile with some good tactics
I mean idk, 2nd place in a Crit is pretty insane for just going full gas the whole time... Also huge power move to attack the guy he broke away with lol
I don’t race, just a casual cyclist, but love to watch racing. Really and enjoy and learn from this channel.
370 for 35 mins is nuts.
Dan.. Unleash Hell, when the time is right. The start of the race is never the right time. Insightful video as always! I feel sorry for anyone racing against Dan, even moreso when Dan gets more experienced, skilled, and patient in crits.
Sometimes the start is the right time!
That looks like a pretty narrow course. You could easily get stuck behind a group while the winning break gets away. If I had Dan's power I'd want to get out in front of the pack right from the gun too, cyclocross style.
Start of the race is often the time it splits. Agree it isn't often the winning move, but you have to be in front or you could end up in a second or third group with awesome legs but nothing to be raced for.
Philip Maynard
The start only works if you have a team or temporary allies willing to alternate draft with you.
Almost everyone will let you waste your energy and just leech the draft
Thats me every time: Hey im gonna hide in the bunch and see what happens.
Legs: THE F*CK WE ARE!!!! LEEEEEEEERRRROOOYYY JENKINS...
“Leeerroyyy Jenkkkins” is the new “Allez, allez, allez” 😂
Full Leeroy at 0:47 🤣
“Drafting is allowed” 😂😂
It's not unusual for a trained athlete to show up to a race for the first time and demolish the field. I've seen this happen at collegiate races when triathletes from the same university showed up to the home race to race C or D categories and went solo from the flag drop. They also trained with us on Wednesday worlds, so they were just as strong as A or B riders. Still, and not to sound more discouraging, those power numbers and crit racing on a windy day are quite impressive. The weekly race series in Britain is fun!
Yes, had a high level cross country runner get on a bike for a 40 minute crit. He wasn't fast, turned like a duck yet we couldn't maintain his remaining power. Guy got caught out in the final sprint and finished 5 of 40. Said he'd never do it again, too scary.
I can average about 12 mph on my trek marlin 4.
Throw some gp5000s on that bad baby lol
Coach: "So what you want to do is go hard for a lap and a half, then settle in and mark your competition. Take mental notes and cover attacks. Share work with others, steady rotation pacelines, don't forget to fuel.
Triathlon Dan: "Go 100% full gas from gun to checkered flag? Gotcha!"
Got it coach. No need to say it twice
LEEEEERRRROOOOOOY JENNNNNNKIINNNNNNNNNNNNS
Some of Dan's speed readouts HAD to be wonky....like maintaining 35 MPH solo into a headwind. If not, he might as well skip the next steps and take on the Tour De France. Definitely impressive regardless.
Yeah, don’t remember the 4/5s holding that.
@@ChromeLuxx Lance Armstrong at his drugged up best couldn't hold that.
A great to see some footage of a guy I follow. His bread and butter is the bike the man's a beast on it so not surprised at this at all.
This race video made me want to train more! Thankyou dan and thankyou norcal!
That was awesome to see. Look forward to seeing him hitting Alviso and lapping the field. Some more experience and instead of dropping 1-2s at each corner on those behind I expect he'll be going solo yolo the whole time. He's got the legs and the pumper to whitewash the field.
I was laughing at the HULK SMASH tactics, and it all worked out! Great job Dan.
Dan should do cyclocross with those starts 👌
I start that way too, just for fun. Spd pedals 😉👌
Just for info - cat 4 crits like this one are the EASIEST crits we have in England. There is no cat 5. For someone trying to get into crit racing there are ridiculously high barriers to entry fitness wise!!! My FTP of 240 got me dropped after 1 lap in the last crit I did
Once upon a time I had an experience where a magazine writer/nationally ranked triathlete jumped in the Cat IV field on a weekend stage race (I'm talking about you Tom D.). He didn't bury us too bad in the TT, but jumped with three laps to go in the afternoon crit and rode away from the field. (late 80's when we had 90+ riders in Cat IV races) We marked him on the road race next day so he couldn't get away, but neither could anyone else.
A strong athlete is a strong athlete, and if they race their strengths & train their weaknesses, they will do well. Fortunately for the rest of that season's racing, USCF mercifully quickly upgraded him to III then II.
As a triathlete of 8 years, I'm learning to stay in the draft. Also trying to figure out when I should go because I don't have an impressive sprint.
bro is crazy got 2nd while pulling 90 percent of the race
Dylan Johnson would approve of these crit tactics.
Jeff, in many Triathlon races, drafting is legal, i.e., Sprint Triathlon (20 km bike) and Olympic distance Triathlon (40 km bike),so short distance triathletes know how to draft mostly.
I like this race. Kept the pace high, no noodling like usual cat 4 races.
A classic example from Jeff "position beats power". But all in all, what a beast! Congrats mate!
Im looking forward to this man's races
Haha WHAT a start :D No messing around
For an endurance athlete, triathlete or not, power peaks are a non-issue because recovery is quick enough. Plenty of shots available. Problems start if you're sustaining a high power for a long time. Basically they need to know what power is sustainable and keep it at that level with a few peaks and valleys rather than keep it constant above sustainable.
I really had to pause this video when I heard WHAT IN THE ZWIFT 🤣 that had me dead
omg this footage is so crisp and HD
Great commentary 👌
Beast. Love it, good for him!
This guy is unhinged! Crazy power!
Gave the race away. Live and learn (race and learn).
Professional triathlete? They know how to ride in groups, the train in road bikes and the olympics triathlon you are allowed to draft.. I think he knew he was sandbagging and did the right thing, push everyone. I actually liked how he raced given he is sandbagging. If he is just a random triathlete man, he was pro watts, and still is sandbagging.
not a pro, check out his channel
as someone that raced triathlons and moved to crit racing, it took a while. power is not the issue, its the technical ability. cycling is so different to triathlon. triathlon is just a time trial with 3 sports, there is not racing. cycling is actual racing. why i switched after 30 or so races it became boring.
Aren't there sprint- and olympicdistances which are acutally very close to crit. Drafting allowed and you have to race it like crits.
@@Second247 there is one series, ITU I think, that allow drafting. Sprint distance can be more fun even with no drafting in that regard because there are just more people around as the race is much shorter. It's not unusual in a half or iron distance event to be out there sort of on your own for a reasonable distance.
@@morosis82 ITU doesn't exist anymore, now called World Triathlon, and is reserved for elite racing. Local draft legal races don't really exist in triathlon because most athletes aren't technically proficient, and there's big gaps between people out of the water. I've done WT races and they are actual racing, because everyone is strong in all 3 disciplines so you generally have large groups on the bike
no doubt, even among road racers, cries are a special. A 1/2 mile course with 4 or 6 turns... must be at the front, and cab corner to an extreme. yea, use the weak guy until he cracks. Dan's a beast.
Ripped everyone a new one. But.... horrific tactics!
@1:36 I didn't realise Caleb Ewan was racing local crits these days!
Pick the footage where Dan wins, Norcal. It's brilliant
Dan is the man !!!
As a MTB rider the first time I saw a Crit start I thought it must have been a warm up lap
Powerful rider to be certain.
Cool course
Around the 12:20 mark his speed spiked to 56 mph... 😆 strong rider for sure
I know I didn’t just see him spike up to 53-54 mph the last 300 meters of the race😦
This guy was me when I started riding this dam RB
😃
that coned off section looks nuts, how many head-ons just missed out there??
The hell did Dan blast everything solo for though lol. It would work if he at least he had a tt bike and not a regular bike
Suspect 80km/h in the final, 🙄 may be a hidden peter sagan on him, in his glorious time.
that course looks fun as fuqqqqq
Dan Dan Dan
textbook sandbagger lol
83kph sprint? is it flat? damn thats amazing
Never done a crit but... This gives me confidence that I would be a decent crit racer..my peak is 1600+ and I can sustain around 500w for a few minutes. Thoughts?
Answer to the question in the title: he (or she) goes for a run after...
Curborough sprint course. Such an unpleasant circuit!
After seeing this video i think im gonna try Traithlon too 😅
😂
Metal meets bluegrass
Eat off other people's plate. -U10
it looks like Cat1 is racing against cat 4-5 riders..
ya triathletes wanna feel the burn the entire race, cycling races don't offer that unless you breakaway
how is he moving almost 110k bro what
So anyways Dan attacks
Not a good sign when the course has wind turbines near it. Looking at you Patterson Pass.
This guy must have some experience with riding in packs.
tameside crit circuit is pretty bad tbh i think it must be uk courses lol
7:05 srsly
Hey People
What is necessary to be able to display the stats on the screen
I want to be like Dan when I grow up
200m to go, 52 mph? I don’t think so. Makes me question the power numbers as well….
Power data is directly from the power meter. Speed data is based on gps which can be spotty. Look at average speed over a long distance and things will even out
just in case you all forgot Lance Armstrong started at as a triathlete,, just saying.. do an ironman sprint commentator then call out a triathlete.
What category was this?
Do we know if Dan is wearing socks?
50+ mph???
Is 370NP for 35min within the range of Cat4 power?
Cat 4 power encompasses an extremely wide range because everyone has to move through Cat 4 to move up categories. So you have folks there with Cat 1 or 2 power who just don’t have enough upgrade points yet.
No, I don't think so. That could be Cat1 power.
375 watts for 35 mins bruh, easily cat 1 with some training.
I'm sure after this Dan was a marked man at the local races.
370 np ? in a cat 4 ?! holy fuk im doomed. i wanted to start racing but i can bearly hold 300 watts 30/60 min. i gues im sticking to zwift racing LOL
The point of the commentary is that you don't need that kind of power. Obviously, Dan is going jump up the cats quickly, but don't be overawed by anyone else. We get better by doing.
The categories are based on experience, not skill level. You will almost always find very strong riders in Cat 4 while they accumulate points to move up.
Not honest I think, 83km/h
Cat 4!?! Lol
What happens when a Triathlete tries a Criterium?
Lots of crashes likely.
What category you saying that was?
He's strong, but stupid with no strategy for the race 😂, relies on the power only
New guy nominating for a category too low for his ability, smashing the field as a result and it's praised?
His fitness is good but that’s only one part of success, his cornering and especially his strategy needs a ton of work, that’s why he lost. I’ll praise anyone racing their bike in good faith
@@NorCalCycling me too but the fact he smashed them from the start - he knew he was stronger. He lost because he rode like a triathlete. You're right in telling him to learn to race first (has he been watching your channel at all?).
You don't get that much power by being smart I suppose.
😂 but once he figures out race craft look out
it's pretty impressive though, to spend enough time on a bike to get that much power without even hearing of drafting 😂
don't be like dan
He was able to display his power, but not his racing I.Q.